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Just How Much Freedom Does Campbell Have?

Each time I pick up my BlackBerry these days, it seems I have new email from Redskins fans frustrated about how Coach Jim Zorn is handling, well, everything.

Many of you are confused/angry about Zorn's apparent lack of trust in quarterback Jason Campbell. Zorn's red zone play-calling during the 9-7 victory over the St. Louis Rams in the FedEx Field home opener further stirred speculation about whether he is holding back Campbell in key situations.

On a third-and-5 play midway through the third quarter, Zorn called for a halfback-option pass from running back Clinton Portis to tight end Chris Cooley. The Rams were not fooled. Cooley was well covered, the pass fell incomplete and the Redskins settled for another short Shaun Suisham field goal (he kicked three).


During postgame interviews in the locker room, legendary Redskins quarterback and radio analyst Sonny Jurgensen criticized Zorn for taking the ball out of Campbell's hands in a red zone passing situation. Fans have blasted Zorn's play-calling throughout the week on the Insider, Internet message boards and sports-talk radio.

Zorn and Campbell speak highly of each other publicly and Campbell has credited Zorn with helping him continue to grow at the position. Some of Zorn's calls, however, have made me wonder about how much freedom Campbell really has to maneuver and change things within the structure of the offense.

So what's the deal?

"Coach Zorn gives me the opportunity to change some plays sometimes, but then there are some plays he just wants us to get up and run no matter what the defense shows," Campbell said "He does give me the leeway to change plays, definitely, like in the no-huddle [offense] where the quarterback calls most of the plays.

"Sometimes we're in a situation where there are too many people on one side, or we think we're not going to be able to pick something up, and I can change protections or change the plays. But then there are a lot of times when whatever Coach Zorn calls he wants to leave on. There are certain plays you can change and certain plays you can't."

That's pretty much what I figured. Campbell can adjust when he notices certain defensive fronts and has a really strong vibe about certain plays as opposed to the call from the sideline, but Zorn pulls back in the red zone.

As for Zorn's decision to try the halfback-option pass after calling consecutive running plays for Portis, that one call was not the Redskins' only problem on offense against the Rams, Campbell said. Not even close. "Everyone is on Coach Zorn about the halfback pass, but we had a lot of other plays and opportunities in that game," he said. "We've all [players] talked to him, and he'll tell you himself that sometimes he wishes he would have done something differently.

"That's something that we just move on from and we learn from. Maybe it's a first- or second-down call, but that's not what's going to win or lose the game there. And as a player no matter what is called, whether you agree with the call or not, our job is to go out and execute every play to the fullest and give our best effort because that's what we're supposed to do. Coaches coach and call the plays. That's what they do. As players, we're just supposed to play and not worry about what's being called."

Although the Redskins (1-1) moved the ball well between the 20-yard lines, "when we get inside the 10-yard line or the 5-yard line, we've got to find some ways to get the ball into the end zone," Campbell said. "Like everyone sees, we move the ball like crazy. But we had a couple of dropped balls for touchdowns. That made a big difference. That's on us as players to be accountable and make plays."

The Redskins must be much sharper in the red zone against the Lions (0-2), who have lost 19 in a row. "It's a tough game for us simply because of the fact we're playing a team hungry for their first win," Campbell said. "They're going to be clawing and scrapping and throwing everything they can at us to get the win."

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Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 6:22 AM | Report abuse

Morning, Flounder.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 6:30 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Brown

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 6:35 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmm. Is Casserly up for a return to the Skins? Seems to be keeping a hand in the game with his role as analyst.

Dan Snyder will never fire Zorn in-season -- he is aware of how much flak he'd take for doing that again. The moment the season is over: BAM! And you better bet there'd be rumors during the season of Redskins One flying to see Shanahan, Gruden, et al.

Let the hijinks begin!

Posted by: minorthread | September 23, 2009 6:39 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmm. Is Casserly up for a return to the Skins? Seems to be keeping a hand in the game with his role as analyst.

Posted by: minorthread | September 23, 2009 6:39 AM


Considering Snyder fired him for Vinny 10 years ago, I doubt it. But I would be drunk with happiness if that happened...say what you will about his non-descript run in Houston, dude made the right call by taking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, just what I expected ... Campbell is the quarterback of this team, and should be allowed to quarterback this team ... if Zorn doesn't "trust" Jason, then bench him and get someone else in there. But until Zorn shows the onions to "sink or swim" with Jason as his quarterback, this offense is going to struggle. As a former quarterback himself, Zorn should treat Campbell like Zorn would want to be treated, if he was in the same situation ... just sayin' ...

Posted by: brotbeck87 | September 23, 2009 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Amen, brotbeck. Right now Zorn is cutting off his nose to spite his face at best, at worst he's just cowering in the corner begging Danny for mercy. Truly pitiful.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 7:00 AM | Report abuse

minorthread & brownwood26,
Two things:

-Would Casserly come back? I could actually see this happening. When Snyder let Casserly go and Turner continued to be ineffective, Sndyer later said he fired the wrong guy. I think it is as close to an apology as Casserly will ever get, but I think it shows the turn was opened just a tiny little bit.

-As for Snyder dumping Turner in the mid season, I don't think Snyder would have any reservations. What interests Snyder are the ticket sales, marketing sales and fan reactions. Don't think he didn't take it to heart when the Redskins were booed at in the last game. If he thinks Zorn is hurting the team's image and earning potential, he'll send Zorn out to pasture quickly. IMO Zorn doesn't have long. If he blows the Detroit game, it could all be over.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 23, 2009 7:05 AM | Report abuse

How can you let this statement go unchallenged?

The Redskins must be much sharper in the red zone against the Lions (0-2), who have lost 19 in a row.

Perhaps the sentence is incomplete?
"...if they want to win by more than 2."
"...if they want to keep the Hamsters off suicide watch."

or my personal favorite:
"...if they want to score more touchdowns."

Posted by: daggar | September 23, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

How can you let this statement go unchallenged?

The Redskins must be much sharper in the red zone against the Lions (0-2), who have lost 19 in a row.

Perhaps the sentence is incomplete?
"...if they want to win by more than 2."
"...if they want to keep the Hamsters off suicide watch."

or my personal favorite:
"...if they want to score more touchdowns."

Posted by: daggar | September 23, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

redskin,

Turner deserved to be fired midseason, actually he should have been fired 3 years before Snyder baught the team.

I'm not sure if he would make a change on Zorn midseason, unless he has a high powered coach ready to step in.

If he fired Zorn and lets say Blache took over, he would have to keep some of the offensive coaches to finish out the year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

*REPOST*

To whom it may concern,

(not you Brownmood, but that old fart--you know who U are)

Yes to ANARCHY! If there were another species above us on the food chain, there'd be no use for government and quite frankly when have laws ever deterred a criminal from deciding to break the law? You're a man who places your faith in science, right? Isn't it scientific to assume we'd coexist to preserve the species?

Let's chit-chat. Would government even exist if not for religion? Read our Constitution lately? Or how about a history book on the origin of Government? Funny cuz being the type that you are, I would assume that you do not believe in a creator, but you sure wanna act like you do! From chaos comes clarity. ANARCHY.

Posted by: Vicc | September 23, 2009 4:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | September 23, 2009 7:16 AM | Report abuse

*REPOST*

Oh and Vicc's post a few threads ago about politics and parenting being a indicator of what kind of fan you are was seriously one of the dumbest things ever posted up here.

Posted by: chrislarry


Debbie Downer = a). The alleged Redskin fan who 80+ % of the time criticizes the team, and b). Bears striking resemblance to opposing team fans critique of the team.

Yeah Brownmood26, Periculum, and Cork are all conservatives--you're right chris--I'm way off there. *Moron*

And I was just trying to get under his skin, by going political and suggesting that family stress has lead to his sour mood. Brownmood's approach was classier than yours. Why you took more offense is puzzling?

I did say I was going to stir the pot though didn’t I?

Child Please.

Posted by: Vicc | September 23, 2009 4:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | September 23, 2009 7:17 AM | Report abuse

THe problem lies with Snyder and Vinny. They both fail at life. They can't put together a semi-pro team, much less an NFL team.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 23, 2009 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Brownmood,

How about holding out for HOPE that the Redskins09 could be the Falcons08? I mean who'd a thought with a rookie QB and Head Coach, they'd make the playoffs?

The thing about you is that you act like you're doing Redskin fans a favor by predicting mediocrity for the Skins, saving us the agony of hindsight bitterness, but personally facing loaded barrel, I'd tell you I imagine us going 7-9.

Sometimes You just need to be positive for the sake of not worsening a situation..Have you ever gotten lost with the family on a road trip? Ask yourself, if you've been in this situation, did arguing and 'blamestorming' ameliorate or exacerbate the situation? The cloud of negative energy can get real thick, occasionally.

Voice your gripes here and there, but for the most part act like a Skin's fan every once and awhile.

Posted by: Vicc | September 23, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

THe problem lies with Snyder and Vinny. They both fail at life. They can't put together a semi-pro team, much less an NFL team.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 23, 2009 7:17 AM |

They both fail at life, thats a pretty dumb statement considering Snyders wealth and young age. Vinny is making a pretty good living.

They have failed so far at producing a playoff caliber NFL team, but they still have plenty of time for that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

How about They can't put together a semi-pro team, much less a consistently dominant NFL team.

I was going to go with "winning", but that can be disproved.

Posted by: daggar | September 23, 2009 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Don't think he didn't take it to heart when the Redskins were booed at in the last game...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 23, 2009 7:05 AM


I doubt he did...my brother got liquored up at a game 2 years ago and literally threatened his life. So if that didn't get him, a little booing won't either.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes You just need to be positive for the sake of not worsening a situation..Have you ever gotten lost with the family on a road trip? Ask yourself, if you've been in this situation, did arguing and 'blamestorming' ameliorate or exacerbate the situation? The cloud of negative energy can get real thick, occasionally.

Voice your gripes here and there, but for the most part act like a Skin's fan every once and awhile.

Posted by: Vicc | September 23, 2009 7:19 AM


I do act like a Skins fan. On Sundays, when I'm screaming at my TV like any other football fan out there.

The other 6 days of the week are spent analyzing what went wrong. I've been doing this for all 17 of my years as a fan, and you'll excuse me if that process gets a little tedious.

So if you want sunshine blown up your skirt, then go get your Redskins info from Larry Michael and those paid to spin the Redskins' web of mediocrity into fool's gold. I prefer to deal in reality.

And quite frankly, I've had about my fill of folks here lining up to question my fanhood and viewpoint. If I have to listen to the nauseatingly positive fans that can see the good in 0-16 and your Republican buddies who like to dream up new and ridiculous ways to defame our president, then certainly you can deal with me not having a rosy view of what the Skins will do in '09 despite a lousy owner and mediocre coach.

Give me courtesy, get it back. Simple math.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Anger is a hot coal that we hold and shake to burn others with (Chinese proverb)

.... Chill out people it's September. Does anyone remember who was dominating last September? Giants/ Titans? How did that work out?

Posted by: squire0101 | September 23, 2009 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and Vicc...your roadtrip scenario is the most ridiculous I've ever heard. Redskins fans aren't in the car with the team...we watch this thing from afar. We have no control. It's more like watching someone else get lost on TV and we're screaming at the TV for the driver to turn right instead of left, watchout for the stop sign! But obviously they can't hear us and it's the most helpless feeling in the world.

So stop with the "negative energy" B.S.--we're fans. We have no affect on the team's mood or outlook. We're not in the building, on the practice field, or in games. Putting a smile on your face thru the horrid offense and stunningly silent draft days isn't gonna make the team play any better, same as my complaints won't make 'em worse.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

it's also an execution problem.

Posted by: trolly_time | September 23, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

The reason he hasn't opened up the offense is not because Zorn doesn't trust Campbell. It's because he doesn't trust the offensive line to block long enough for Campbell to make things happen.

Posted by: Tacaraya | September 23, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

I say if we go down to the Lions show Zorn the door right there. Don't even let him fly back with the team. FedEx his sht to him wherever he want to go.

Posted by: jm220 | September 23, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Zorn and Campbell should share responsibility for the lack of Reskins offense -- however, neither of these worthless apologists have ever shown much in the way of manning up and being accountable for their failures.

Campbell is simply unable to make the basic plays -- and don't even try to dare him to do something special like checking down to a secondary receiver or tossing the football more than 10 yards downfield. He may be the perfect embodiment of that old maxum about nice guys finishing last.

Meanwhile, Zorn continues to amaze with the unrelenting display of dumb arrogance and stupidity in his refusal to bench this loser of a QB in favor of someone who will quit making excuses and just get out there and get the job done.

If the Redskins are to have any hope of salvaging this lost season, both of these losers should be fired without further delay.

Posted by: Vic1 | September 23, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Vic1...how do you really feel?

And Vicc...your namesake is up here talking way worse than I ever have, why don't you come get him? Or is that you being contrarian?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Zorn sucks, but if Campbell could throw a ball anywhere near his receiver on passes longer than 20 yards, then maybe Zorn would trust him more. Seems like every pass has to be to the middle of the field, because Campbell doesn't have the touch or accuracy to work the sidelines or when in the red zone, the fade routes.

Posted by: saqster | September 23, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how many fans the Redskins have lost due to Snyder? I know they've lost some fans (bandwagoners) due to losing, and some due to the Ravens success, but has anyone bailed because of Snyder himself? I think they've lost well over 10000 fans because of Snyder.

I know fans that left Denver because of Shanahan, and now people want this cancer here in D.C.? The only fans the REdskins will soon have left are fans like Snyder (the dregs).

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 23, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

accuracy to work the sidelines or when in the red zone, the fade routes.

Posted by: saqster

Saq name one time he was given the chance to throw the fade route. Every time we are in the red zone it is CP to the left on first and second down.

Posted by: jm220 | September 23, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I am so sick of reading about Jim Zorn, I hope they fire him just to put us all out of our mysery so we can start talking about something else. The media (and particularly JReid and Wise) have an obsession with this guy. They've been talking about his "job security" since last year.

Posted by: KWall1 | September 23, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

how about paying Casserly a consulting fee to find some decent OG/OT/C candidates since our FO and scouts don't have a clue. It is ridiculous to keep having OL problems year after year. Amen for bringing back Aldridge and while you're at it Zorn you better start calling plays to fit the team strengths and talent. HAIL SKINS!

Posted by: jenksredskins | September 23, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

I know fans that left Denver because of Shanahan, and now people want this cancer here in D.C.? The only fans the REdskins will soon have left are fans like Snyder (the dregs).

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 23, 2009 8:10 AM |

If you quit being a fan you were never a fan in the first place.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Here is the biggest problem we have.....a coach who won't let his QB play football. All fans are so quick to jump on Campbell, when it is Zorn we should all be upset with. If he doesn't trust Campbell enough to change a play when he sees it isn't going to work that sounds like a coaching problem to me. I bet Campbell will leave us and go to a coach that gives him more freedom and he will be much better. He has the ability....let him use his ability. Would we rather go down playing everything safe and close to the vest or go down swinging??....i'll take opening the offense and going down swinging if we even go down at all....I think we would be much better if we open it up!!!!

Posted by: jcrabbe1 | September 23, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Every loyal Skins fan knows that Vinny Cerrato is the cancer of this team, ZZZZZorn is just another symptom. If Snyder doesn't want to lose his investment Vinny must be fired immediately. Thinking about it Vinny Cerrato is our Matt Millen.

Posted by: ibenbassat | September 23, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Fans have a TREMENDOUS effect on the fragile egos of NFL employees, players, FO & Coarches - through their actions, comments & wallet.

It's rarely predictable what the result of the effect is, nor how any particular set of circumstances will play out. but it is highly evident.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 23, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

"Republican buddies who like to dream up new and ridiculous ways to defame our president"

Politics make for bad day's on RI there brown, especially when you put out statements like this...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Greg, that was in reference to something Vicc said earlier. I hate politics and have no interest in talking them. But you're right, I probably opened a door there that nobody wants open.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

So Both Herm Edwards and Mike Golic have picked the Lions to win on Sunday......

Posted by: cosmiccatnip1 | September 23, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Besides, brownie, we prefer to be called "RepubliCANTs".

While we wait for the death panels to start.

Posted by: daggar | September 23, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

So Both Herm Edwards and Mike Golic have picked the Lions to win on Sunday......

Posted by: cosmiccatnip1 | September 23, 2009 8:45 AM |

Oh sh_t then I guess it will happen because they are so smart.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

how can anyone think campbell will be better with another team. he would have to learn a new system again and we all know how capable he is at doing that. horrible. he will be here or a backup somwhere else.

Posted by: rls1041 | September 23, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Not surprised, Cosmic. Which reminds me, did anyone else catch Mike Greenberg's rant against Robert Henson on the twitter thing? That dude still hates the Skins for the whole "Jetskins" thing from a few years back...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Flounder: take off the Estrada brand burgundy and gold sunglasses. I think they are distorting your view of reality.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 23, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Things I would like to see,
J-Camp continue to call his own plays, but he himself needs to know, a deep pass to the young WR's needs to be middle of the field not on the sidelines.

More Zone blocking runs early, these get CP his best yards where I think he is averaging 9.1 yards per carry in the 1st Q.

Some load up one side with WR's and optional direct snaps to the half back from shotgun to the weak side.

Dedicated running to the right side of the line top balance out where D's load up against our line.

There was a interesting formation I saw in NCAA football (video-game I know whatever. Shot gun I Form, where the HB and FB line up to the side of the QB in a "I-Form" look and you can shift it so the WR's are bunched on 1 side, maybe put Yoder in at TE and you got him and Sellers blocking for a run to the right.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Flounder I was putting it out there..not because i think they are even close to being on the money when it comes to predictions but the state of which we are looked at by people in the media...I actually believe we have a good shot of whopping them but we have to get out on them early..do something big like pick six(griffin/rodgers hang on to the ball)
and yes Brown i did hear that on the radio...i do kinda agree with him(Greenberg) as the whole McDonalds thing really took it to the next level...that was a low blow.......

Posted by: cosmiccatnip1 | September 23, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

they say ESTRADA!!!!! ahah

Posted by: cosmiccatnip1 | September 23, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Flounder: take off the Estrada brand burgundy and gold sunglasses. I think they are distorting your view of reality.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 23, 2009 8:51 AM |

It has nothing to do with rosy glasses, I will admit when the team stinks as it has for several seasons over the last 20 some years.

This team stunk long before Snyder baught it.

A true fan of a team one that was raised to like that team, can never stop rooting for them not even when there really bad.

Thats a band wagon fan and if thats what you are fine, but don't lump real fans in with yourself.

This applies to any fan of any team not just the Skins.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I thought I heard something about Sonny and Zorn having some verbal sparring in the locker room about red zone play calling. Has anybody else heard about that??

Posted by: LouLewis | September 23, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

LouLewis

I recommend reading the DC Sports Bog, they have all you need to know about that.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Bill Walsh would turn over in his grave if you refer to what this team is doing as the West Coast offense. This is the Dink and Dunk Offense. In the Dink and Dunk Jerry Rice would not have a reception over 12 yards. Bill Walsh knew football. Bill Walsh brought in offensive lineman who could give Joe Montana time to read and throw. The Dink and Dunk you spend 10 years putting together old projects to be offensive linemen and try to sign big names at the other positions. This gives you less than one second to read and react and allows you to throw five to six yards on third and ten. It also allows runs into the defensive line over and over and over that go no where. No place is it more evident with the Dink and Dunk than the goal line. Here the Vinny Cerrato Yard Sale Offensive Line can Dink and Dunk with the worst defensive team in football and not Dink and Dunk a touchdown. Dink and Dunk is a great system because no one else runs it. With a center like Casey and guards and tackles who cant block because they might get hurt the Dink and Dunk is what you get. I am sure that Jasons reads are the same every time, get rid of the ball now because that Giant is going to kill you. GET RID OF VINNY. Vinny got Hainsworth. Vinny got a Db released by Oakland. These guys cant play their own position let alone block for Jason. One draft chocie in the last two years has produced. GET RID OF VINNY.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | September 23, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

ONCE AGAIN !!! JIM zorn is a BUM Jason reid why want u admit that.. REdskins aree last in just about every category on offense in the the red zone for two years. So can anybody tell me how zorn can turn this around it will be a matter of time before clinton portis or somebody call his coach out and i will be glad b/c he throws his players under the bus after every game they lose... I cant stand this Guy!!! Another Genuis of the west suck offense. !!Just give campell the damn ball!!"" take that pacifier out of his mouth coach and let him drink his own Milk""

Posted by: chinngy23 | September 23, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Thanks alex35332, I'll go there for my Skins info.

Posted by: LouLewis | September 23, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins go down to the Lions I can see Sonny really blasting and calling Zorn out on Sunday. This will be must hear radio. lol

Posted by: jm220 | September 23, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone listened to the pod-cast, but apparently "ownership" told Steinbog to lose some weight.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Thanks alex35332, I'll go there for my Skins info.

Posted by: LouLewis | September 23, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I like to call it Skinfo... PATENT PENDING!

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

lots of folks are picking the lions, Sapp, Faulk, Martz, from the NFL Network...I'm not saying he should be stressing, but given that DS was gonna fire JZ after the Philly game last year, if this one goes south, look out, fireworks time.....and then lather, rinse, repeat for roughly another 10-20 years.....sigh...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Can we lose the stories about the halfback pass?! Look, Zorn tried passing the ball. TWO different receivers dropped them. He tried running the ball and sucked that completely up. So at some point you try other stuff.

Problem is our offensive line can't move bodies and that is a critical skill in goal line plays.

Give Zorn and Cambell a line and watch the magic. I personally thought that the dropped pass to Sellers was a brilliant play call. Give the guy some credit already. (and some players...he could use some players)

Posted by: jspin77 | September 23, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

This team stunk long before Snyder baught it.

A true fan of a team one that was raised to like that team, can never stop rooting for them not even when there really bad.

Thats a band wagon fan and if thats what you are fine, but don't lump real fans in with yourself.

This applies to any fan of any team not just the Skins.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 8:59 AM


Gotta disagree, Flound...the assinine argument of what a "real" fan is aside, the Redskins situation is a unique one. Most fans who get away from the team aren't leaving because the team is down. Every sports franchise faces lean years; what makes the Skins situation different is that the owner is what puts most fans off. He's alienated fans and has been tearing this team apart from the inside out. And if he hasn't come to that realization yet, it stands to reason that he never will.

So I doubt fans have gone as far as to walk away from the Redskins and start rooting against them. Most of the ones I've seen just refuse to support the team from a financial standpoint...the only one Snyder understands.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Ugh, Please stop using "fans" text messages as an excuse to vent more of this negative horseshiite.

You would much rather dwell on the most negative aspects of the team because it generates more controversy.

Instead of constantly poking the fan base with a stick to stoke the embers, how about an attempt to mollify them by looking on the bright side for a change?

Posted by: McMetal | September 23, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"the owner is what puts most fans off. He's alienated fans and has been tearing this team apart from the inside out"

Brown, can you elaborate on this?? I have no issues with DS right now. He spends money, he brought in a bunch of guys for the HC process before hiring JZ, he brought back Gibbs. How is he tearing the team apart from the inside??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

They both fail at life, thats a pretty dumb statement considering Snyders wealth and young age. Vinny is making a pretty good living.

Only if you consider wealth to be the only measure of success in life.

Posted by: rbpalmer | September 23, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Only if you consider wealth to be the only measure of success in life.

Posted by: rbpalmer | September 23, 2009 9:19 AM

Tell me how he has failed at life then smart aZZ.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Its precisely b/c he spends so much money that he's etching a dysfunctional attitude within the locker room, in which individual talent is coveted over solid, disciplined team play. Been that way for awhile and this isn't any secret. Hello? Wipe out this year for a sec--have we ever gotten a highly paid FA that was really a success? That said, I admit DS appears to be showing improvement by placing more value on the draft, be he's still in the doghouse.

Posted by: pgugino | September 23, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

lots of folks are picking the lions, Sapp, Faulk, Martz, from the NFL Network...I'm not saying he should be stressing, but given that DS was gonna fire JZ after the Philly game last year, if this one goes south, look out, fireworks time.....and then lather, rinse, repeat for roughly another 10-20 years.....sigh...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

IF we lose to the Lions I'm all for lather rinse and start over.....I don't think Snyder wants to repeat, I think he wants to find the right guy and give him time but he also isn't going to sit on his hands and watch a playoff team that he believes is as talented as anyone in the division fall from playoff caliber to losing to a team that set the record for futility and the offense that is Zorn's only focus sputter desperately. I actually agree with Snyder, if Samuels et al stay healthy our starters are as talented as any in the division. Our depth almost everywhere is very questionable but top of the depth chart versus top of the depth chart we can hang with anyone, and I actually don't care about Thomas, he's been bad for a while, I think Rhino may even be an upgrade. But Snyder sees what we see, Zorn is lost.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 23, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Brown, can you elaborate on this?? I have no issues with DS right now. He spends money, he brought in a bunch of guys for the HC process before hiring JZ, he brought back Gibbs. How is he tearing the team apart from the inside??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 9:18 AM


I think we've found the source of our constant disagreements.

I have to ask...do you REALLY want me to go down this road with you? I mean, seriously. Are you SURE you want to have this conversation with me?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"Although the Redskins (1-1) moved the ball well between the 20-yard lines, "when we get inside the 10-yard line or the 5-yard line, we've got to find some ways to get the ball into the end zone," Campbell said. "Like everyone sees, we move the ball like crazy. But we had a couple of dropped balls for touchdowns."

Compare that to the Chargers, who ripped the Ravens for 474 yards, the great bulk of it through the air, and still lost the game on a 4th down stop by Ray Lewis (basically a missed blocking assignment). San Diego evidently had five trips inside the 20 where they failed to score. Baltimore is very lucky not to have lost that game, and there are distinct holes in that pass defense that Harbaugh needs to correct. He was quoted as saying it was just a matter of DBs overreaching in an effort to make big plays and was easily correctable. Maybe, but you can bet their next four opponents are already ordering copies of that game tape.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 23, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

brown,

If your a fan of the Skins, you could never root against them saying anything else is BS.

Snyder has done nothing to you personally, other owners do exactly what he does, you just don't here about it because you don't follow there teams.

Snyder spends more money on his team then any owner in the NFL, Jerry Jones would be right there as well. He does not always spend wisley but he does spend.

If you don't like the prices at the stadium or you think the product stinks, then don't go to games watch from home thats your choice.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I just had to sign up to say all you "First" guys need to get a life. I hope you aren't much older than 12. That would be sad!

Posted by: breadman48 | September 23, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Fletcher
ARE, he's had career high numbers, and now that he's working out of the slot, should improve even more so..
RThomas
CGriffin
CRabach
Haynesworth certainly appears to be...

Traded for Portis, Moss..

No team is exempt from swings and misses with FA...or trades....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I just had to sign up to say all you "First" guys need to get a life. I hope you aren't much older than 12. That would be sad!

Posted by: breadman48 | September 23, 2009 9:28 AM |

bread,

Doing the First thing for me anyway is a joke, I do it to make fun of the other people who do it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

The 'Skins lose to the Lions, a team that can be scored on but can also score. Snyder realizes that the team's lackluster play has caused shrinking attendance (certainly not a reaction to his price gouging) and, worse, slumping merchandise sales, fires Zorn and hires John Gruden to take his place.

Trumpets are blown, fireworks lit and excitement returns to Redskins Nation as the New Savior arrives.

Gruden flips the coaching staff, bringing in his own people on offense, and frees up JC17 to play like he ought to. Some success is achieved as Gruden imposes discipline, enforces practice participation and separates the chaf (Cerrato's favs) from the wheat (real Redskins).

As a result, the 'Skins go 8-8 and hope for a better year next year.

The offensive line gets the attention that it needs in the off-season at Gruden's insistence. Cerrato & Snyder declare that it was their plan all along.

Just a prediction.

Posted by: skinssox01 | September 23, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Being that Dan Snyder is still unpredictable. What would you bet if Snyder went to Zorn at some point and said that he wants him just to be OC, continue to work with JC and let someone else come in at HC?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I want score predictions for the Lions game. Come on, I want to know what you guys think. Some insight and explaination is always good too.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 23, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Being that Dan Snyder is still unpredictable. What would you bet if Snyder went to Zorn at some point and said that he wants him just to be OC, continue to work with JC and let someone else come in at HC?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 9:32 AM |

If Zorn had any pride at all he would not do that.

Snyder wouldn't do it either why would you want to keep a disgruntled employee around.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Mike and Mike just picked us as the team under the most pressure this week.

Greeny- "with all the negativity surrounding Zorn, with the fan base booing during a poor performance even though it was a win, with all the questions around Campbell, if they go to Detroit and lose, I can't imagine what DC will be like. I think all of those guys are playing for their jobs this week."

Golic- "I agree, but its not like anybody expected them in the playoffs anyway so I'll go with Tennessee."

First off I agree with Greeny, second off its sad that Golic just states as a fact that nobody expected us in the playoffs. How long will it be until we get some national respect?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 23, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I am just throwing stuff out and seeing what sticks I think anything is possible with this owner. I could see him trying to hire a out side coach mid season too.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"Bill Walsh would turn over in his grave if you refer to what this team is doing as the West Coast offense"

I don't think so. You couldn't run your offense the way Bill ran his -- over the years, defenses figured out how to stop it. The WCO has had to adapt. The philosophy is still the same -- use the short pass first, instead of the run, to move the chains -- but the variations are substantial. BTW, Bill dinked and dunked a lot when he needed to, but he also let his playmakers loose at key moments. People forget how successful those teams were at running the ball (Roger Craig and Ricky Watters).

Zorn's sticking with his philosophy, for better or worse. If they execute it properly, they should see some concrete results. That's a big 'if', of course.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 23, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

And if Zorn gets fired, who should the next coach be? Shanahan or Gruden? What about Bilick? He is an offensive coach, who had no offensive talent in B more. He might be a good choice. Casserly coming back as GM intrigues me.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 23, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"IF we lose to the Lions I'm all for lather rinse and start over....."

ugh.....so 19 games, thats all we give coach's is 19 games??

brown, get over yourself, seriously, I have my opinion, you have yours, what makes you any more correct in all things Redskins related than I am. You don't think they'll win a game the rest of the year, and you've said as much.....you'd never admit this, but you'd be much happier if they DIDN'T win a game, just so that you could come up here and pound your chest, and shoot your mouth off about how right you were......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

First off I agree with Greeny, second off its sad that Golic just states as a fact that nobody expected us in the playoffs. How long will it be until we get some national respect?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 23, 2009 9:34 AM |

We have never gotten national respect.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Defining "real fan"=power rankings.

Guess what the NFL, owners and players will take all our money without making the distinction.

And Vicc, you are an idiot. Equating people's home life and personal beliefs into what kind of fan they are? From blog posts? That is some stupid siht right there. I will assume from your ramblings and "insights" that you are a dim bulb who thinks if they talk in crass generalities that they sound smart, zooming right past nuance, intelligence, and thoughtfulness. If we did live some kind of uber-darwinian "Escape From New York" type of existence you'd be eaten alive or chained to someone's bathroom to scrape up crusty dung from the toilet with an old toothbrush.

This is all you need to know about me guy, I love my wife, my child, my country, my job and the Mutha funking REDSKINS. HAIL!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 23, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

ZJFR -

First off I agree with Greeny, second off its sad that Golic just states as a fact that nobody expected us in the playoffs. How long will it be until we get some national respect?

Posted by: zjfr2

Why do we deserve respect?

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 23, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

" am just throwing stuff out and seeing what sticks I think anything is possible with this owner. I could see him trying to hire a out side coach mid season too.
Posted by: alex35332"

I suspect that's what a lot of people do on this blog. Let's hope the owner doesn't.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 23, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

CL,

Good post,

I wasn't trying to say what a true fan was, I was saying that if you loved the Skins as much as I do you could never stop rooting for them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

First off I agree with Greeny, second off its sad that Golic just states as a fact that nobody expected us in the playoffs. How long will it be until we get some national respect?

Posted by: zjfr2

How long do you think Snyders Life Expectancy is? Thats your answer.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"CL,

Good post,

I wasn't trying to say what a true fan was, I was saying that if you loved the Skins as much as I do you could never stop rooting for them."

THX, Flound. I agree. Can't stop wont stop.

And forever and always:

F Mike & Mike.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 23, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

JUST SAY NO! Gruden, Kauer (whatever his name is), Marty Snot, Norv Turner (yes it's coming), Shanahan and any other retreads. Ask for a referral from the Steeler or Raven organization. HAIL SKINS!

Posted by: jenksredskins | September 23, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

it's also an execution problem.

Posted by: trolly_time | September 23, 2009 7:49 AM


That might seem like a solution to the problems but, first, it's illegal and, second, how would you field a team if you executed this one?

Posted by: rogerward | September 23, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Can we get on to some relevant stories. Dan Snyder talk is offseason....

The biggest question to me is who is aldridge taking snaps from? Clinton? LaDale? Both?

What is all this talk of Heyer not performing well? Half the beat reporters are saying this, but I don't see it.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 23, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

We need Billick to come back as coach. The Coors commercials are running out of material for their spots.

Posted by: skinssox01 | September 23, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I think we've found the source of our constant disagreements.

I have to ask...do you REALLY want me to go down this road with you? I mean, seriously. Are you SURE you want to have this conversation with me?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 9:27 AM


brown, get over yourself, seriously, I have my opinion, you have yours, what makes you any more correct in all things Redskins related than I am. You don't think they'll win a game the rest of the year, and you've said as much.....you'd never admit this, but you'd be much happier if they DIDN'T win a game, just so that you could come up here and pound your chest, and shoot your mouth off about how right you were......


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 9:36 AM


Wow...how did that response beget that reply? Seriously. If I ever had a doubt that you're here for no other reason than to argue with other posters there's my confirmation. You asked me a question, I asked you if you really want to hear my answer and you blow up about how "what makes you any more correct in all things Redskins related than I am?" I never said I was. YOU sir, are the one who has a problem wrapping your head around the concept of someone not just huffing burgundy and gold fumes just because. I know you've got your own optimistic view and I respect that. My not agreeing with you isn't a reason to disrespect mine.

So I'll ask again: do you want me to answer your question and share my opinion or was that just another vehicle to get into another pointless dustup?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

This is all you need to know about me guy, I love my wife, my child, my country, my job and the Mutha funking REDSKINS. HAIL!

Posted by: chrislarry

Now that is the CL we all know and love lol

Posted by: jm220 | September 23, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

As much as I have a no hope attitude for this team, I still can't see them losing to the Lions. They've given up an average of 36 points per game (I know that doesn't mean much), have a rookie QB and lost one of their starting LBs.

They're not going to score many points and I think the offensive floodgates will open and we'll put up 20 on them.

Posted by: Moose33 | September 23, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Bean, I concede that some of those were definitely successes, and misses are inherent with FA acquisitions. But it's not simply that we go after FAs--that's fine. It's HOW DS does it. It's as if he makes offseason splashes with uber$ spending to market this team for the next season.

As far as firing Zorn goes, assume for a moment that he's inevitably going to get fired. Would you still rather have that coach with this team for the whole season?

Posted by: pgugino | September 23, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 23, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"So I'll ask again: do you want me to answer your question and share my opinion"

No, I want you to shut up, and your keyboard to cease working....like I said, you'd be happier being right, than the team winning, so get to steppin....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein

So, lemme get this straight. We consistently move the ball between the 20s when Campbell is allowed to audible, yet Zorn consistently reverts to a no audible system in the red zone. Is the problem really as simple as continuing to do what works and stopping what doesn't work?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 23, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

"We need Billick to come back as coach. The Coors commercials are running out of material for their spots."

The Coors commercials are beyond lame. Its like they wrote jokes before they even had coaches/clips. Epic fail.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 23, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Exactly what I thought. of course Campbell does not have the authority to just change plays whenever he wants too. Gibbs II also put handcuffs on him. A lot of this has to do with job security, the offensive coordinator or coach wants to be sure that he can take credit when things are working but he also has to take responsibility when things fail which Zorn has done.

So all you JC haters have now heard it. JC does not have the authority to just change plays and maybe that's why we waste so many time outs.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | September 23, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Being that Dan Snyder is still unpredictable. What would you bet if Snyder went to Zorn at some point and said that he wants him just to be OC, continue to work with JC and let someone else come in at HC?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

There is zero way this happens....if Zorn loses his job it will be because the offense stinks, why would you keep the guy then as the offensive coordinator when his offense is terrible? That makes no sense, plus unless Zorn is a moron his only chance to ever get another head coaching gig is to ride out of town with the mantra that it wasn't my fault that organization is dysfunctional and didn't give me what I needed to win, not to accept a demotion and stay which is the same as admitting it was all him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 23, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

So I doubt fans have gone as far as to walk away from the Redskins and start rooting against them. Most of the ones I've seen just refuse to support the team from a financial standpoint...the only one Snyder understands.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Hence I have yet to purchase a Redskins item in over 10 years. I refuse to give this owner or FO any of my hard earned dollars.

Posted by: Devo2 | September 23, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

No, I want you to shut up, and your keyboard to cease working....like I said, you'd be happier being right, than the team winning, so get to steppin....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 9:50 AM


Typical Boston fan...ask for fact when sport is a passion of opinion and shout as much garbage you can at the top of your lungs when someone disagrees with you. Hard to believe you're not a Pats fan.

Seriously, if you don't like what I have to say, SKIM OVER IT. Your inability to do so tells me YOU are the one that needs to get over himself.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Apparently all the geniuses predicting a Lions win forgot that the Redskins defense has let up an average of 11.5 points per game this year. And Matthew Stafford is not Eli Manning, unless you're talking about Eli Manning from his rookie year.

I can't remember the last time I've seen a bigger reach than that prediction. Lions get blown out...again.

Posted by: psps23 | September 23, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Anyone remember when Norv's Skins (Terry Allen years) went 20 for 20 in the Red Zone to start the season? NEVER thought I'd look back fondly on that time.

Posted by: DCV1 | September 23, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

The Coors commercials are beyond lame. Its like they wrote jokes before they even had coaches/clips. Epic fail.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 23, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

So, you're saying you don't like shirts with random triangles?

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 23, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

*Repost* but even more relevant, because of the signing of Alridge instead of another OL:

Has anyone considered the possibility that Vinny set up JC17 to fail on purpose this year?

Think about it: He knows he has several positions to address in the next 2-3 years. He knows the o-line is in deep neglect. But what if this year, he addresses everything EXCEPT the o-line.

In theory the o-line suffers similarly to last year, Campbell suffers because of it. Then Vinny has all the excuse he needs to release Campbell, get a new QB, and use the offseason to improve the o-line and set his new QB up for a better start. Maybe he's also thinking -high draft pick, new head coach next year.

Not that he couldn't cut Campbell anyway , but maybe if he improved the OL this year, JC plays better, and the fan support forces him to make a new contract. And maybe he doesn't want that because he just hates Campbell. He obviously didn't want to even give him a chance this year.

Maybe this sounds like a conspiracy theory to some of you. But if you're VC and you don't like Campbell and you have a 2-3 year plan, this scenario doesn't seem to me like it's that unrealistic.

Posted by: REXskins | September 23, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

What we know is the Skins aren't scoring in the Red zone.. is it Zorn? is it Campbell?? Well this year at least Zorn can't be replaced.. but JC can. I say one more week of the offense looking like this and give Collins a chance. What do you have to lose.. All Collins has to do is score more than 9 points and it's an improvement. And who knows maybe the offense will click.. it did in 2007.

Posted by: sovine08 | September 23, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Hence I have yet to purchase a Redskins item in over 10 years. I refuse to give this owner or FO any of my hard earned dollars.

Posted by: Devo2 | September 23, 2009 9:55 AM


I haven't in about 2 years. But be careful of Greg, I'm sure this means that "you'd be happier being right, than the team winning"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 23, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Lets lighten the mood a bit. What other new commercials are already annoying beyond belief this new FB Season:

For me its that rollover minutes one with the mom yelling at the teen son. In the sports bar with multiple games its constantly on at least one TV.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 23, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

psp, let's hope you're right. On the subject of our defense, can you tell me why we're rushing only 4 almost every down? Let me dust off this word that has escaped Blache's vocabulary: B-L-I-T-Z

Posted by: pgugino | September 23, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"Typical Boston fan"

um...yeah, thats me...ufb...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Here is Alex's compiled Coaching list of likely future coaching candidates in the NFL... I am adding to it all the time so if you see anyone missing let me know. I also am guessing 3-4 current head coaches will be fired this season who are good head coaches in bad situations, like Marvin Lewis.

Lords of the Ring: AKA, any of these men can get any job they want.
Bill Cower
Mike Shanahan
Mike Holmgren
John Gruden

Ex's to respect: AKA Former good coaches who fell from grace
Brian Billick
Jim Fassel
Mike Martz
Jim Haslett


Up and comers: AKA Current coordinators who may become a head coach in the next few years.
Russ Grimm
Jason Garrett
Clancy Pendergast
Rob Ryan
Rob Chudzinski
Leslie Frazier
Brian Schottenheimer
Ron Rivera
Mike Zimmer
Darrell Bevell
Pete Carmichael Jr.
Bobby April
Mike Heimerdinger

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

The sky is not falling, the coach does have what it takes, and JC can (and will) get it done.

The collective conscious of RI will be healed Sunday.

If you buffoons believe Greg Blache's defense will let a 21-22 yr "young" rookie quarterback sniff comfort behind center, well...

Caveat: Landry and Horton have to mentally dispose of "run" and replace it with "don't get beat deep!" The skins are probably the best defense inside their 20, the game has to be executed that way.

Posted by: tony11 | September 23, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Here is a true statement: "Everything rises and falls on LEADERSHIP."

The problem with the Skins is leadership. The leader of the team is the person that the players follow. The leader has nothing to do with position. Snyder, Cerrato, Zorn, & Campbell, all hold a position. The true leader of the team, however, is the one the players are following, and unfortunately, that person is doing a poor job.

You don't have to have your great leader as the coach. As long as you have a great leader whom the players respect, and follow, you will have winners. It could be the Q.B., if so, he will make an ordinary coach look good. And, a great coach can help a struggling Q.B.

Two examples: Did you watch Peyton Manning on Monday evening? Why would a defense that spent 3/4 of the game, on the field, suck it up and deliver a stop for the Colts win? It was because they believed in Manning. And, he makes his coach look good. Second, how can a young Q.B., like Sanchez, enjoy a 2-0 start? Look at the coach. Coach Ryan is able to get the most out of his players, and they respond to his leadership.

Until the Skins have a "good" leader step up to the plate, you can continue to see the same results. I like Einstein's defininition of INSANITY. Doing the same things and expecting different results.

Posted by: stevesuders | September 23, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

psp, let's hope you're right. On the subject of our defense, can you tell me why we're rushing only 4 almost every down? Let me dust off this word that has escaped Blache's vocabulary: B-L-I-T-Z

Posted by: pgugino

From an excitement point of view I'd love to see more blitzes. The problem is that our DBs are showing us they can get beat on medium routes time after time. And if you blitz, you're creating the potential for a medium rout to turn into a touchdown. You can only blitz if you trust your secondary to cover tight and make the play.

I think the current scheme is safest and most effective way to play it, until our corners show they can handle single coverage.

Posted by: REXskins | September 23, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

So if I am understanding right, the problem, when you boil it down, is that Zorn is still a rookie when it comes to play calling, since he never had that experience before, and as such, doesn't have years of experience to draw upon.

If that's so, then maybe it is time for Zorn to go. I'm not ready to wait 8 years for him to figure it out.

Posted by: Veretax | September 23, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I can't remember the last time I've seen a bigger reach than that prediction. Lions get blown out...again.

Posted by: psps23 | September 23, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Psps23, certainly I'm no expert, but I've actually watched both Detroit's games, they aren't the same team we beat last year (and you'll remember it took a Moss punt return to do that). Stafford is a rookie, and he makes rookie mistakes for sure but he makes great plays too. Kevin Smith is legit, Calvin Johnson is a stud and they played both New Orleans and Minnesota tough, both of whom are pretty good football teams. I think we can win, I don't think there is any way in the world we blow them out.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 23, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

4th, I think if you asked him off the record, JJ might say that he wished he retired back when the Redskins gave him the chance to do so...he still wants to prove he's a pro-bowl tackle, but his body wont sign off on that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

So, lemme get this straight. We consistently move the ball between the 20s when Campbell is allowed to audible, yet Zorn consistently reverts to a no audible system in the red zone. Is the problem really as simple as continuing to do what works and stopping what doesn't work?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 23, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

The other problem is a personnel problem. Zorn takes out all the tall guys with jumping ability so the defense knows we aren't making any plays in the back of the end zone or on the sideline. They can then crowd the line of scrimmage and the middle of the field. This prevents Cooley from getting open and snuffs the run. They need to spread the defense out more. When you are inside the 10 you have to spread the defense out and you have to throw into coverage. Let the tall guys make the plays. That's what they do.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Being that Dan Snyder is still unpredictable. What would you bet if Snyder went to Zorn at some point and said that he wants him just to be OC, continue to work with JC and let someone else come in at HC?
Posted by: alex35332
________
Right now I'd have no problem with Zorn going back to Seattle to be their OC, bringing JC with him to work with him... Then maybe the new Redskin HC would give Collins a shot.

Posted by: sovine08 | September 23, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I think that one of the worst commercial out there is the "We're cutting back" sprint one.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Plus...He's still getting an NFL salary and ACTUALLY gets to live @ his REAL offseason home....So he has to keep up the 'Pro-Bowl' caliber talk to keep up the 'feel good' story...aka Money Grab...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 23, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

This Sunday at Ford Field, Jansen, if he plays, likely will do so again only on field goals and extra points.

I am glad we cut this guy. Can't be a starter for th Lions is all I need to know about him.

Posted by: jm220 | September 23, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

REX,
really, we can't trust our DBs in single coverage enough to rush more than four? Even zone blitzing isn't on the menu (from what I can tell. Kinda scary if you're right, but I remember a quote from Blache that sums up his style best. When told by a reporter that his scheme looks basic, he said "we're a basic football team." Well, I don't necessarily agree with that but that's what he's made our defense, for sure. But I digress, if he gets us back to the top 5 in the league, fine.

Posted by: pgugino | September 23, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

So Both Herm Edwards and Mike Golic have picked the Lions to win on Sunday......

Posted by: cosmiccatnip1 | September 23, 2009 8:45 AM |

Yeah its the cool thing to do to pick us to lose to the Lions. Our D will not give up more than 13 points. We will score in the 20's. Book it. It is however very angering to see the national media picking us of all teams to lose to the worst team in NFL history. That feels great.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 23, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

4th, yeah, I sort of thought that as well....for him not to be active for the first game, had to make him re-think what he did....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Hate to jump in. Where I'm from you usually catch one to the grill for that, but I gotta say something about the bwood26/beantown back and forth.

The "you're not a real fan if..." is stupid bs just like the "you wanna be right, so you can say just how right you are" statement is stupid bs.

It's called difference of opinions. Not everyone is going to share the same rosy optimistic point of view. It DOES NOT make them ANY MORE or ANY LESS of a fan than whoever is questioning their allegiance.

beanie says: " I have my opinion, you have yours, what makes you any more correct in all things Redskins related than I am."

Wow, correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't you the one to jump all over a mf if their opinion differs from yours in the slightest degree.

All dude respect bean, you came off very hypocritical with that right there.

Every time someone has anything you perceive as negative, you all have bring out either: "you're not a real fan", "go cheer for another team", or "you want it to go that way, so you can say..."

I don't know brownwood26 from a can of paint. But to call out the dude's loyalty to the 'skins into questioning or claim that he would want to be right about something negative, about a team he's spent hours blogging about, is some straight tard'ed bs.

Maybe by insulting a person's character when they're only stating an opinion will help ease the sting of something that maybe deep down you know to be true.

Or cover up some other inadequacy.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

HOW DO YOU GET THIS:
"That's pretty much what I figured. Campbell can adjust when he notices certain defensive fronts and has a really strong vibe about certain plays as opposed to the call from the sideline, but Zorn pulls back in the red zone."?

FROM THIS:
"Sometimes we're in a situation where there are too many people on one side, or we think we're not going to be able to pick something up, and I can change protections or change the plays. But then there are a lot of times when whatever Coach Zorn calls he wants to leave on. There are certain plays you can change and certain plays you can't." - Campbell

How did you figure Zorn only pulls back on the red zone?

It is time to quit excusing Campbell for his incompetence.

Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

The blitzing schemes seemed to change from NYG to STL. Against NYG, I noticed a very aggressive defense with plenty of blitzes, often leaving the CBs out on an island in coverage. The result was the large cushions that have been scrutinized, and coupled with poor tackling, a successful passing game. Against STL, the blitzes often seemed to drop off (probably due to the fact that ST Louis' offensive line is poor and should be beaten by our D-line, and by far their biggest threat was a RB).

My guess is you'll see more exotic blitzes against Detroit. I'd look to put Hall on Calvin Johnson with Landry constantly hovering over the top, leave Rogers 1-on-1 with their #2 without help, then send the heat early and often. I'm also thinking plenty of fire zone blitzes to confuse Stafford. It should look different than last week, you would think.

Posted by: psps23 | September 23, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

My first thought with the option passes and the decision to go for the first down at the 2 against the Rams was that Zorn simply wasn't cut out to be a HC in the NFL. These were college football plays.

But his post-game defense of his playcalling despite the obviously poor position it continues to put his quarterback in simply confirms my original feeling.

Zorn just doesn't get it.

By showing faith in Campbell and the offense to punch the ball in and to continue to work that angle and break through, the Redskins may very well get over the hump and become a lot more productive overall.

But by continuing down the path he is, Zorn has everyone playing tentatively and 'not to lose'.

That is how the last 2 years of the Gibbs II era went and we are seeing similar results.

That 9-7 win over the Rams reminds me a lot of the 9-6 win over the Bears a couple of years ago when a rookie named Kyle Orton was starting for Chicago and the Redskins were favorites to knock them out here in DC.

Same deal. Lackluster offensive production in the red zone combined with enough plays on defense for a narrow win against a limited opponent.

Posted by: leopard09 | September 23, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Jeez, you should see the baby boner our old friend JLC is getting talking about the Redskins troubles...you can see the joy right in his crooked eye.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"Who bears more responsibility for the Redskins' problems in the red zone?"


Again: if the skins self-scouted, they'd see teams play deep to encourage them to call or audible to running plays when it gets within 30-40 yards of the end zone.

That's why the skins have kicked so many field goals over the past feww years, going back to Gibbs 2.0.: they are tricked into running the ball in and they can't.

I mean, when was the last time you saw a redskins receiver draw a personal foul or illegal contact penalty after a fight for the ball in the end zone?

Zorn should spread the field when the skins get within 30-40 yards of the end zone and call 'posts' or ' deep crossing routes' that attack the end zone.

This might not result in scoring, but it might result in an occasional penalty or shorten the running path to the end zone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 23, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

red, when did I insult his character?

I asked him how DS is tearing the team apart from the inside out, he responded with:
"I have to ask...do you REALLY want me to go down this road with you? I mean, seriously. Are you SURE you want to have this conversation with me"

That came across as a little high and mighty so I called him on it....

If I responded to you post with:

"I have to ask...do you REALLY want me to go down this road with you? I mean, seriously. Are you SURE you want to have this conversation with me"

how would you have taken that one red???

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

C'mon if majority of the country thinks that the Lions will get their first victory over D.C. what does that tell you?

All of them are just dissin' and have no idea what they're talking about, right?

There are legit NFL opinions outside of the Washington Redskin fan's bubble.

I don't know if they're going to win or not. Right now it's hard to say. Washington hasn't shown me anything for me to say with 100% confidence that they're a lock to win.

I use try to use other logic than: "I'm a fan so they're going to win".

I'll say that to a Lions fan or Cowboys fan, just because...

But f you, if you think I don't want them to win.

That is all.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure on this, it might be so, but is it SOP to have plays that can't be changed no matter what the defense is showing? That sounds crazy to me.

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | September 23, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

psp, you think they'll put hall on CJ? I agree with the safety help over the top, but I think it will be rogers....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Zorn looks like he's in over his head. He has developed Jason very nicely and Jason is putting up excellent numbers. But he seems ill-prepared as a play-caller, head coach, and leader of the team.

There's no way if Mike Shannahan was the coach our offense wouldn't have broken 30 in the last 18 games. Its so sad we have 10 win talent and 6 win coaching.

Posted by: BAdams3 | September 23, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

We need Billick to come back as coach. The Coors commercials are running out of material for their spots.

Posted by: skinssox01 | September 23, 2009 9:45 AM

In that case, bring back Jim Mora, Sr. His press conferences were hilarious even WITHOUT Coors doing anything to them.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 23, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

If this team doesn't make the playoffs, I'm hoping they bring in Russ Grimm next year. And if they go after a big name I hope it's Cowher.

Team needs a strong hard-nosed personality. And that trickles down from the coach. Zorn doesn't really seem to know how to manage from a big picture standpoint and has bitten off more than he can chew.

Posted by: dfbovey | September 23, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

How did you figure Zorn only pulls back on the red zone?

It is time to quit excusing Campbell for his incompetence.

Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

If you were paying attention then you would know that Zorn called a run left on that 4-1 we got stuffed on. The Rams overloaded the left side of the line. The play was doomed. JC was not allowed to audible out of it even though he wanted to. Stop blaming JC it makes you look naive. JC is not allowed to audible in the red zone. We have no offense in the red zone. Coincedence?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"the owner is what puts most fans off. He's alienated fans and has been tearing this team apart from the inside out"

Brown, can you elaborate on this?? I have no issues with DS right now. He spends money, he brought in a bunch of guys for the HC process before hiring JZ, he brought back Gibbs. How is he tearing the team apart from the inside??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 9:18 AM |

BeantownGreg1,

I am all the way with you on this one. In fact, I would like to see the old Danny Snyder, the one that was knee deep down in it, the one that the Fans were hollering for him to get out the picture.

I think Danny Boy should be more proactive and hands on like he started out being. Sure he made mistakes, but he is a smart man and I think his proactiveness would have us further down the success road than we are now.

He took a step back, but he shouldn't have and to the guy above that said bring back Casserly....no way, he should bring back Mitchell.

Mitchell knows more about football than Casserly can ever dream about. Cerrato is a D minus GM, and learning on the fly, hands on Danny Boy, would have gotton better results.

I think Dan Synder envisioned himself as being like Jerry Jones and Steinbrunner. Danny was right and he should not have let this fan base and pundits convince him to take a lesser role.

I believe Danny Boy would have had his Championship by now, if he had stayed proactive like he was from the outset.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Anyone watch the NFL Network last night? They defended Zorn by showing his plays were designed well in the red zone and showed JC missing players that were wide open.

I like JC and think he's improved in some keys, but it's crazy how we all forget he has he struggled to finish drives with Gibbs and Saunders calling plays as well.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | September 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

DOOM AND GLOOM
Thats all you people post up here.Did you think that we were going to win the superbowl this year,come on get a life.
We are one draft year away from having a good oline. We all ready have most of the d in place.
This is only the 2nd game that this team has played together this year,give them a chance. Remember we were just 8and 8 last year,were still evolving has a team.
And will everyone just get of Zorns back,this is only his 2nd year as a head coach. Give the man and his team a chance.
Hopfully,Dan does not listen to some of the idiots on this blog.
STAY THE COARCE,STAY THE COARCE!!!!!!!!!!
HTTR....LOVE THIS TEAM OR GO PULL FO SOME OTHER TEAM.

Posted by: gregblanchsucks | September 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

B-Greg,

I definitely think it will be Rogers, if for no other reason then he is a little bit taller than Hall. We've gotten a firsthand look at Hall vs. tall recievers and it ain't pretty.

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | September 23, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Red, glad I'm not the only one seeing that.

I wish I could quit the Redskins. God knows it would be much easier. But you put 17 years into something, you can't just walk way from that. Which is why it ticks me off when someone comes after you with the "real fan" B.S. just because I don't predict 16-0 for them every year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

It all comes down to management Vinny and Snyder are the culprits. They will let Zorn take the fall. Truth is the personnel stinks. Draft picks were tossed away or squandered on receivers. O-Line stands for OLD-Overrated-Line with little depth. Poor scouting Davin THomas over Desean Jackson/Eddie Royal and Landry over Adrian Peterson. Free Agents overpaid.
Read the starting depth chart: Mercenary players from other teams outnumber Skins draft picks. Fans overpay for parking and concessions while Cowboy fans get a new stadium and Pittsburg fans own FEDEX.

Posted by: jercha | September 23, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

If I could find a copy of the last jim zorn presser I could edit, that could make a great commercial.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

The theory behind it is to have your weaker corner constantly have safety help, while leaving your better corner largely without it. Calvin Johnson has to be matched up with safety help, regardless of how good Rogers is. And I don't think I would leave Hall on an island, 1-on-1, after his recent performances -- regardless of who he is covering.

The other option is to use a 2-deep safety scheme. That way, you can put Rogers on Johnson with safety help, and have Hall matched up with safety help as well. But that would take away from the ability to blitz and pressure the QB, something the skins would likely do to a rookie QB.

Posted by: psps23 | September 23, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

okay all, i live in Stlouis now, and just returned here from Florida. Watched the game late this morning. Watching the game, it looked like Coach Z was out of it. He had no minmal emotion, he looked like a guy who was a bit lost, confused, and someone who never was a coach, or cooridinator b4.

Just something seemed off with him? Did anyone else noticed this?

having said this...

I say this, I like Zorn, i liked it when he was hired. The guy is running the west coast offence. But are most of the coaches, player from Gibbs era? How can you run west coast with players who are smash mouth gibbs era.

I just wish Snyder would sell the team. The guy is *&^%%!!

Let's GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: hunter32 | September 23, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Anyone watch the NFL Network last night? They defended Zorn by showing his plays were designed well in the red zone and showed JC missing players that were wide open.

I like JC and think he's improved in some keys, but it's crazy how we all forget he has he struggled to finish drives with Gibbs and Saunders calling plays as well.

Posted by: MylesMonroe

You got to be joking. We RAN the ball in the redzone. Just come out and say you don't like JC

Posted by: jm220 | September 23, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

mylesmonroe

"Anyone watch the NFL Network last night? They defended Zorn by showing his plays were designed well in the red zone and showed JC missing players that were wide open."

Sorry I missed this.

Nothing tells the truth like videotape.

I must be on the lookout for this today.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 23, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

bean, dude's a fan of the 'skins. Why else would he, you, or I spend countless days blogging about our opinions that no one else gives a damn about?

fan = loyalty = fibers of character/morality

To say that the guy wants to be right about something negative so he can come back and gloat about it, would say:

1) He has some mental issues.

2) He'd rather be a self-serving jackass and be right about his opinion so he can come back and proclaim how right he was, rather than being wrong and admitting to it.

That is questioning the guy's intentions or motives, his loyalty, his character.

From what I've read, when he was wrong he acknowledged it. It still had a "I think I'm right angle" to it, but nonetheless it was a crow-eating post.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

C'mon if majority of the country thinks that the Lions will get their first victory over D.C. what does that tell you?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 10:27 AM

I don't know about a "majority", but it's safe to say there are enough people looking at scoreboards and fantasy numbers to gamble against the Skins here. It's not that complicated.

We scored 17 points against the Ginas in NJ and 9 points at home against the Lambs.

Detroit scored 27 points against the Saints in the Big Easy and 13 points against the Vikes at home.

A team that doesn't score much gives everyone a solid chance to beat them.

That being said, this will be the Skins first blowout of the season. The Lions will lose big because their rookie QB (Stafford) will turn the ball over 2 or 3 times against our D. Count it.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 23, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

STAY THE COARCE,STAY THE COARCE!!!!!!!!!!
HTTR....LOVE THIS TEAM OR GO PULL FO SOME OTHER TEAM.

Well, you've coarced me...I mean coerced. I always mess that up, must have failed that course in middle school.

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | September 23, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I said before that Zorn appears to be a smart man. That conversation with Sony will cause him to evauluate his play calling and his offensive approach.

He rebuffed Sony and even told him he would bench him. Jim Zorn will and probably has had some serious reflection on that.

Look for more flexibility in his handling of JC and a blow out win against the Lions.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 23, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

That 9-7 win over the Rams reminds me a lot of the 9-6 win over the Bears a couple of years ago when a rookie named Kyle Orton was starting for Chicago and the Redskins were favorites to knock them out here in DC. Same deal. Lackluster offensive production in the red zone combined with enough plays on defense for a narrow win against a limited opponent.
Posted by: leopard09
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Here's the difference in that game where Ramsey started and Brunel finished the Skins were going up against the best defense in the league.. the Bears go on to the SuperBowl carried that season by the defense.. The Rams defense SUCKS!! The Seahawks scored 28 points against it the week before.. Face it the Skins offense has problems.

Posted by: sovine08 | September 23, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Predictions for Sunday

a)Lions 13 Redskins 12

b)Redskins 15 Lions 13

c)Redskins 34 Lions 13


Any are possible. Intelligence, discipline, professionalism, and crispness by the Redskins gets c).

This week will tell the tale of this season... their backs are really against the wall. Will they as a whole finally eliminate the nagging mistakes that kill them?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 23, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I didn't see anything particularly wrong with the plays Zorn called in the red zone. You can always question any play, of course -- especially a halfback pass. Looked to me like the problem was mnore one of execution. Those drops were a big factor. The pass pro looked adequate, at least from my viewpoint.

Jason is of course a factor, but he played well enough to score a couple TDs. Just didn't happen.

If you've got the time, take a look at that Baltimore - San Diego game. San Diego put up something like 26 points but also faltered repeatedly in the red zone. If they hadn't, they'd have won by 10. In some respects they were having the same problems the Skins were -- executing certain plays on a truncated field.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 23, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

red, I have to ask...do you REALLY want me to go down this road with you? I mean, seriously. Are you SURE you want to have this conversation with me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"This week will tell the tale of this season... their backs are really against the wall. Will they as a whole finally eliminate the nagging mistakes that kill them? Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe"

Tune in next week for another exciting episode of 'Dangerous Housewives'.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 23, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

If you were paying attention then you would know that Zorn called a run left on that 4-1 we got stuffed on. The Rams overloaded the left side of the line. The play was doomed. JC was not allowed to audible out of it even though he wanted to. Stop blaming JC it makes you look naive. JC is not allowed to audible in the red zone. We have no offense in the red zone. Coincedence?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 10:32 AM

And if you were paying attention you would have understood the question I posted. JC made a statement without mentioning the red zone and Reid made an ASSumption based on nothing but his imagination - Just like your "JC was not allowed to audible out of it even though he wanted to.". How do you know that? Were you there? Did you hear them talk about it? Did you discuss it with either one of them? You should no ASSume so much and defend the indefensible. Stop making excuses for JC.

Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"DOOM AND GLOOM
Thats all you people post up here.Did you think that we were going to win the superbowl this year,come on get a life.
We are one draft year away from having a good oline. We all ready have most of the d in place.
This is only the 2nd game that this team has played together this year,give them a chance. Remember we were just 8and 8 last year,were still evolving has a team.
And will everyone just get of Zorns back,this is only his 2nd year as a head coach. Give the man and his team a chance.
Hopfully,Dan does not listen to some of the idiots on this blog.
STAY THE COARCE,STAY THE COARCE!!!!!!!!!!
HTTR....LOVE THIS TEAM OR GO PULL FO SOME OTHER TEAM.

Posted by: gregblanchsucks

This post from a guy wit a handle called "gregblanchsucks"

Hysterical irony.

I think Rogers will see most of CJ. I see your point psp and it will probably be a combo...but I say you put your best guy on their best guys and punch the rookie QB in the mouth early, often, again and then one more time.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 23, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

...nagging mistakes that kill them...

What do their wives have to do with this conversation?

Posted by: daggar | September 23, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

You put DHall on Calvin Johnson and he will proceed to have a damn career day.

Put Rogers on Johnson. Rogers bottled up T.O. last year when Springs went out.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Alan4 I think you our on to somthing.
This team has played better on the road,as of late.The lions field is a fast surface to play on,bring in the fast recevers and turn them lose.
Hopfully our D will show the young QB some odd formations,allowing are front 4 to get to him.
Zorn will get the redzone calls right this week,u can bet on that.

Posted by: gregblanchsucks | September 23, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

red, I have to ask...do you REALLY want me to go down this road with you? I mean, seriously. Are you SURE you want to have this conversation with me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 10:47 AM


If he doesn't want to hear the answer, he probably wouldn't ask the question. Clearly, that's a concept you're lost on...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

And where does Sherman Williams the offensive Coordinator figure on this lousy offense? Does he hold any blame?
For crying out loud, the Skins have tried new coaches - from hall-of-fame to newbies - and nothing works with this QB. It is time to change the QB. You can keep on putting new engines on your car but it is not going to take you anywhere with flat tires.

Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

And where does Sherman Williams the offensive Coordinator figure on this lousy offense? Does he hold any blame?

Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Sherman Smith is the OC. I believe Sherman Williams paints the end zones.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 23, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Each time I pick up my BlackBerry these days, it seems I have new email from Redskins fans frustrated about how Coach Jim Zorn is handling, well, everything." -JReid

Its Week Two. With this type of response after the win, its time for Zorn (and the team) to go on full-on quote lockdown Belichek-style. Winning used to change everything. Now the new standard is winning by two TDs. Fine. Mum is the word out of the team until they win by two TDs ... at which point the media food will be delivered after a pretty please.

This week, I choose to take my news from Cooley's radio interview (I don't have it here; he posted on Facebook) and Portis' radio interview w/Doc Walker.

Its one thing to hate on The Owner, money grubber that he is, but its another thing to tool on the roster and the game staff after a win. Lock. Down.

Posted by: dcsween | September 23, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"...if they want to score more touchdowns."

Posted by: daggar | September 23, 2009 7:10 AM

What are these 'touchdowns' you speak of?

Posted by: 4-12 | September 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I believe Sherman Williams paints the end zones.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 23, 2009 10:57 AM

I thought that was RedDMV's job ... or maybe he only paints that part btwn the 20 and the goal line.

Posted by: dcsween | September 23, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Sherman Smith is the OC. I believe Sherman Williams paints the end zones.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 23, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

LOL. Thanks I needed that.

Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Redskins dust the Lions. The Lions will not stop our Offense and our Defense will show our best game to date.

I'm just in a prediction mode today.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 23, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

And where does Sherman Williams the offensive Coordinator figure on this lousy offense? Does he hold any blame?
For crying out loud, the Skins have tried new coaches - from hall-of-fame to newbies - and nothing works with this QB. It is time to change the QB. You can keep on putting new engines on your car but it is not going to take you anywhere with flat tires.

Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 10:54 AM

Yours is a very short-sighted view. This team has had 15 starting QBs and 6 different HCs over the past 15 years. The current QB has started for 2.5 seasons.

It sure does sound like you're blaming JC17 for the decline of this team, whereas this team has been fairly consistently mediocre for nearly 20 years. That's not the QBs fault, that's the result of organizational instability.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 23, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

indeed bean, it does come off as arrogant and somewhat challenging...

like the kid who puts the twig on his shoulder and challenges another kid to knock it off...

and i thought we made our voices on self-serving a-hole'ish arrogance. it's what makes this place what it is.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter which Sherman it is neither one of them call plays.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Hey RED,

You know what you do with that kid, you kick him in his nuts as hard as you can the twig will fall off and you will have time to run.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

And where does Sherman Williams the offensive Coordinator figure on this lousy offense? Does he hold any blame?

I don't know, you could...♪Ask Sherman Williams♪

Sorry, that was horrible.

Hock1, obviously you have a pre-existing dislike for JC, because his play this year has been good. Does it really make sense to put the blame on the quarterback when Zorn calls 10 out of 16 redzone running plays, JC has two passes dropped, and a no call PI call for ARE? But it's JC's fault because he didn't audible out of every run play? C'mon. You're entitled to your opinion, but back it up with something plausible at least.

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | September 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Apparently all the geniuses predicting a Lions win forgot that the Redskins defense has let up an average of 11.5 points per game this year. And Matthew Stafford is not Eli Manning, unless you're talking about Eli Manning from his rookie year.

I can't remember the last time I've seen a bigger reach than that prediction. Lions get blown out...again.

Posted by: psps23 | September 23, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse
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psps23,

Yeah, pretty sad when so much of the fan base seems to think we are on our way to a loss, and a few of them seem to be rooting for it so we can start all over...again.

If the Redskins move ball like they have and just moderately improve their red zone conversions, they'll win by 10-14. If they don't, it will be tight again. If they improve vastly, they'll blow them out - because I don't see Matt Stafford lighting them up in this game.

On another note, Brownwood mentioned in an earlier post that fans have no influence on the performance of the team. I couldn't disagree more. You beat on that team enough, it makes a difference. If all the Redskins hear is how they will lose to Detroit, it is more likely to happen. Think about this: why do golfers stand back from behind the tee before taking their swing at the ball? To VISUALIZE the shot they WANT to hit. Visualization of success is important, whether some folks wnat to believe that or not. The Redskins may have a hard time visualizing ANYTHING positive after this week of flaming (in week 2, no less).

Let's hope that behind closed doors, they are saying "forget the media, forget the fans. Let's go relax and pound these guys".

Sad that they should have to disregard us in order to improve their morale and mindset...I thought fans were there to BOOST morale, not kill it.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 23, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

indeed bean, it does come off as arrogant and somewhat challenging...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 11:02 AM


Arrogant wasn't my intent...challenging was.

Greg consistently comes on here and asks questions of you when you share a thought. You've seen it...it's usually the stuff that start with "what's the basis" or "do you have proof to back up..."

Then when you answer the antagonistic question, he then categorically and systematically attempts to tear down your opinion and you for having it.

So when I ask "do you REALLY want me to answer that", it's because I want to save a step in the process and just get right what the point is for him...trying to tear into me for not having his same rosy viewpoint.

I enjoy mixing it up here with guys about the Skins. This blog would be boring if it was 30 guys with the same opinion on the same subject. I just take exception when my opinion and/or fanhood is stepped on simply because it doesn't jive with the likes of Greg and T_E. Off the top of my head, those are the only two up here who tend to make things personal.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

It sure does sound like you're blaming JC17 for the decline of this team, whereas this team has been fairly consistently mediocre for nearly 20 years. That's not the QBs fault, that's the result of organizational instability.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 23, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

What planet are we on? Why does people assume so much? I have not talked about the decline or the history of this team. I have spoken of the current QB failure, nothing more. Some people have blamed everyone, from the owner to the water boy, for this guy's inept play. (ok. maybe not the water boy, but you get my meaning).
Alan, you seem to think the problem is the instability of this organization. Why is that? If your team is not producing, what would you do? I would assume you will try to replace the bad parts, won't you? and if that doesn't work, then what? You keep on trying until you get something that does bring success - You seem to be calling that process instability. Would you prefer we continue with the same bad team and not try for something better? Maybe one day they will wake-up and be the best? That is dreaming, it ain't gonna happen. No. I say, lets get rid of the things that causing the failures, and right now the only thing we haven't changed is the QB.

Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

If all the Redskins hear is how they will lose to Detroit, it is more likely to happen...

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 23, 2009 11:07 AM


These are professionals. If their self-worth and their well-being is at stake in any way for the fan support, they shouldn't be pro athletes. I completely believe in what you say as applied to high school and college athletes. Pro athletes draw a check for their services and should be motivated by their desire to excel in their chosen profession, not some stranger wearing their jersey.

As I said yesterday, if their performance were based on the crowd, they would only win at home and lose every road game.

And your golf analogy doesn't apply here: golf is individual sport based on concentration. Football is a team sport based on execution. If you know your route and the audibles, you don't necessarily have to visualize it in silence.

Plus you overlook the age-old motivating factor in the NFL: respect. Often times, these athletes are MORE energized by being doubted and crapped on. It gives them an edge and brings out the best in them. The Redskins pretty much exemplify this in recent years; just look back to the winning streaks that propelled them to the playoffs in '05 and '07 when everyone said they were done.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

What a terrible poll, Mayor. How can one of the options not be, specifically, "The responsibility lies mostly in the hands of the two players who dropped TD passes"???

You fuel the Campbell criticism with this nonsense. What did he do from the red zone to prevent the skins from getting in the end zone against the Rams...besides putting two balls right in the hands of players who dropped them?

Posted by: scottland7 | September 23, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

And if you were paying attention you would have understood the question I posted. JC made a statement without mentioning the red zone and Reid made an ASSumption based on nothing but his imagination - Just like your "JC was not allowed to audible out of it even though he wanted to.". How do you know that? Were you there? Did you hear them talk about it? Did you discuss it with either one of them? You should no ASSume so much and defend the indefensible. Stop making excuses for JC.

Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

It's from the Zorn interview where he said he doesn't want JC changing plays down near the goal because he feels it creates confusion among the offense. JC had 4 passing attempts down there. 2 were drops. 1 should have been a Pass Interference call since ARE got mugged. Stop blaming JC.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

What planet are we on? Why does people assume so much? I have not talked about the decline or the history of this team. I have spoken of the current QB failure, nothing more. Some people have blamed everyone, from the owner to the water boy, for this guy's inept play. (ok. maybe not the water boy, but you get my meaning).

Posted by HOCK 1

While I'm not a believer in campbell, you cannot isolate one person for blame in a team sport like football.

The Redskins--once a great franchise--now have a culture of losing, botched drafts, botched trades, botch hirings, botched signings, botched ownership, botch scouting, botched personnel evaluation, botch player relations, you name it.

What do you expect from this QB or any of a series of QB failures the team has had since Snyder/Cerrato took over? It is not like Campbell is an isolated incident.

But in a Media world where the individual is specified in promotional hype "Kobe and the Lakers take on LeBron and the Cavs!" naturally it focuses on one guy.

The truth is Campbell has no chance of success behind a bad line, a limited to non-existent running game, a coach who's playcalling and play design is pathetic, a meddling owner, a frustrated fan base, and all the rest of it.

He is a convenient scapegoat, just as the Jeff Georges, Mark Brunells and Patrick Ramseys et al before him--who had their own difficulties achieving success in the mess up atmosphere that Washington has sadly become.

Posted by: TheCork | September 23, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

For those who call this week's game a trap game:

Is it a trap game when most opponents on our schedule call us their trap game?

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 23, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't know, you could...♪Ask Sherman Williams♪

Sorry, that was horrible.

Hock1, obviously you have a pre-existing dislike for JC, because his play this year has been good. Does it really make sense to put the blame on the quarterback when Zorn calls 10 out of 16 redzone running plays, JC has two passes dropped, and a no call PI call for ARE? But it's JC's fault because he didn't audible out of every run play? C'mon. You're entitled to your opinion, but back it up with something plausible at least.

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | September 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

It wasn't horrible, it was funny. I am painting my house with SW, I guess that is why I said it.

As for JC. I don't dislike him at all as a person, I just think he is not a good QB - at least not for this team. I am not picking on any one particular play, all QBs have good and bad plays, besides no fan would know for sure the reason for the play's failure, so blaming the QB or the coach is asinine since we really don't know where the fault lies. I don't know that I can say anything that would satisfy you, but this guy "seems" to be making too many wrong decisions, holds the ball too long, doesn't see wide open receivers, doesn't use the pocket effectively, etc. etc. The blame is always someone else. Come on, it is time to try something new.

Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it's not JZ not confident in JC but JC not having any confidence in the coach. Since JC seems to do well calling his own plays maybe JZ should cut him loose for a few games and see what happens.

Posted by: jandlml | September 23, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how many fans the Redskins have lost due to Snyder? I know they've lost some fans (bandwagoners) due to losing, and some due to the Ravens success, but has anyone bailed because of Snyder himself? I think they've lost well over 10000 fans because of Snyder.

I know fans that left Denver because of Shanahan, and now people want this cancer here in D.C.? The only fans the REdskins will soon have left are fans like Snyder (the dregs).

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins

Those aren't real fans. The Skins were my team before Snyder arrived and they'll be my team when he's gone.

Posted by: dcwun | September 23, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: VegasJim | September 23, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

FORGET THE RED ZONE!!! As soon as you cross that 50 yard line, GO FOR IT! It can't hurt really. And Zorn/Campbell/Portis/et al just may become less predictable. I love Sonny Jurgenson!

Posted by: BenThere | September 23, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

The problem with the Skins is that no coach better than Zorn is willing to play for Li'l Danny and his faithful sidekick Vinnie. Until Li'l Danny sells the team or hire a professional NFL GM, the Skins will continue to suck. They will continue to waste picks on WRs who can't play while they desperately need offensive linemen and will have to be content with coaches who can't coach. This isn't exactly news; it's been true for quite a long time now. SELL, Li'l Danny! SELL!

Posted by: dolph924 | September 23, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

JC throws for 3 TD's vs Lions. Redskins 30 - Lions 7

Posted by: classicskins | September 23, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or does J.C. look confused every time the camera pans to him. He just has that look that won't ever get it done!

Posted by: joeboggs | September 23, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

JR and the rest of the JC apologists keep referring to Zorn "holding back" the QB when what is really happening is Zorn os "working around" JC's deficiencies. Don't you think a coach would use the skill if it was there? Jeez!

Posted by: bestmick1 | September 23, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"The truth is Campbell has no chance of success behind a bad line, a limited to non-existent running game, a coach who's playcalling and play design is pathetic, a meddling owner, a frustrated fan base, and all the rest of it. ... He is a convenient scapegoat,..." - Cork

On the one hand you said he is a convenient scapegoat, on the other you are blaming everyone but JC.

My point is very simple, we have tried changing everything but the QB and nothing works, don't you think it is time we give it a change?


Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Zorn calls the plays he thinks will work given the deficicncies of the team: can't run right, can't go deep, can't throw short finesse passes! Why do you think the dump off pass has disappeared from the game plan?

Posted by: bestmick1 | September 23, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Again, and this is something Jason never brings up, when has JC ever done well in the red zone?

Seriously, all the problems we're having now we're written about when Gibbs and Saunders were calling the plays as well.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | September 23, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

What we know is the Skins aren't scoring in the Red zone.. is it Zorn? is it Campbell?? Well this year at least Zorn can't be replaced.. but JC can. I say one more week of the offense looking like this and give Collins a chance. What do you have to lose.. All Collins has to do is score more than 9 points and it's an improvement. And who knows maybe the offense will click.. it did in 2007.
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This statement is ridiculous. If Campbell was throwing on every down inside the 10 and we couldn't get in then you could blame the qb. But we run on every down within the 10. The inability to get in on a running play rests on the o-line, the running backs, and the play caller, who happens to be the head coach.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 23, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

The definition of insanity "but then there are some plays he just wants us to get up and run no matter what the defense shows,"

Posted by: nativedc | September 23, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's losing this team quickly.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 23, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Coach Z needs to make a decision either pull the plug on JC or make him more mobile. We have the receivers we just need someone to get them the ball. Flacco,Stafford,Sanchez,Ryan came into the league and made an impact with average receivers. Moss,el & Cooley are above average and we can't blame the line. We need to draft a stud in this draft and go with it heck Favre would do a better job than Jc. I am a fan of JC But I think he just is not relaxed and he is thinking to much in the pocket.

Posted by: bert3 | September 23, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Redskin Insiders will recall a time at the start of the last off-season when Dan Snyder handed out pink slips to many members of his front office -- mainly from the marketing and administrative support staffs -- explaining that their services were no longer required in the off-season, and besides, it would help him keep the overhead costs of running the team down to a manageable level.

With that in mind, I can only imagine how much Big Dan could save if he were to man up and fire JC and JZ already.

I suspect it could start with the team psychologist responsible for massaging JC's fragile ego, and the ballerina coach responsible for training him in his throwing and footwork. We could then move to the team of apologists who dream up new excuses every week for why the football team fails to score. Next to go could be the team of lawyers who are responsible for suing all of the little old ladies who have fallen on hard times while waiting for the team to rebound from 20+ years of mediocrity, and then perhaps even the local newspaper beat reporters and other "homers" who continue to dream up any number of implausible scenarios about how JC could someday develop into a ring-bearing, pro bowl caliber QB if only he were given looser reins, more consistent coaching, better plays, better protection, taller receivers, etc., etc., ad nauseam, ad infinitum.

If the Redskins want to salvage anything worthwhile from this lost season, it’s time already to let these losers go.

Posted by: Vic1 | September 23, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Zorn calls the plays he thinks will work given the deficiencies of the team.
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I think that is the key. Why are we blaming Zorn for his play calling? What the hell else is a coach supposed to do in the red-zone given the players (mostly the o-line) we have?

Keep in mind he called 2! sure touchdowns... they were in the hands of the receivers (done as far as Zorn can do). Those two plays alone Zorn did his job. All you can ask of a coach in his circumstances.

Get Zorn some players. If they fire him, I am just done with the skins for a couple years. I just need to decide who I will follow.

Posted by: jspin77 | September 23, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

It was such a bad call because in addition to the down and distance everyone knows the Redskins never ever run to the right behind Heyer. They are so predictable with the run to the left.

Posted by: fj8152001 | September 23, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I have been a Redskin fan all my life. I can remember the days of the fun bunch, big riggo, Darrell Green's punt return touchdown in the playoffs against Chicago, of course the great performance of Doug Williams in the Superbowl, and Joe Theisman's leading us to victory. All of these moments are cherished.

Unfortunately there have not been a lot of things that the current regime has done that I want to remember. I have to give credit where it is deserved the defense has played well over the last 5 years despite the offensive short comings. Even when Marty was at the helm we scored points despite how much the players disliked his system. My opinion: Jason Campbell is not the problem he can only run the plays that the coach allows him to (Zorn said it himself when he told Sonny that he would bench him if he changed his play). I think the hiring of Zorn was a terrible decision and all of us are being forced to deal with it. Unfortunately once Zorn is fired at the end of the year that means Jason has to learn another offense. I am a Redskin fan and it is obvious that Jason has the talent to be a star in the league he has shown that but he need the handcuff's taken off and allow him to make mistakes. He has a huge arm let him throw the ball or let your successor come in now and bring some excitement back into this prestigous organization........ GO SKINS!

Posted by: oldschool812 | September 23, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Jim Schwartz btw would have been PERFECT and wish we had gotten him. In many ways the Lions are already much further along to where they need to be in 2-3 years then are the Skins. Read todays article on Schwartz and you will see what I mean by a bottom up philosophy. He WILL be successful in time. I wish I could say the same for my home team. Cowher NOT my first choice but is an example of someone with a coaching philosophy. Fisher would be any insiders 1st choice. Belichick was quoted recently as saying Fisher is the coach he most respects..and that coming from the man who may be the smartest football mind since Lombardi. Just watch what Schwartz does with the Lions over the next couple years. Good things come to those who wait (and plan ahead).

Posted by: flyingtrees | September 23, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Flacco,Stafford,Sanchez,Ryan came into the league and made an impact with average receivers.

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All of those guys have come in under coaches with years of NFL experience who play the game to win, not save their jobs, and their coaches aren't afraid to let them make mistakes.

Zorn has less experience as a head coach than JC has as a starting qb. And his playcalling isn't adjusting to the poor results. I guarantee it Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahann, hell even if Norv Turner was coach, we'd be taking shots at the endzone with JC as qb, and converting at a much better clip than we are right now.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 23, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I usually just read these posts and don't write in but since there seems to be so much confusion about the direction of the team, thought I might offer my insights as a fan for over 35 years. I've been there for all of it- the good and lately..the
very bad.
Snyder isn't necessarily the problem.I really believe he cares for the team personally. He is willing to spend whatever it takes, just like JKC. The problem isn't that he's cheap(like a certain owner of our b-ball team) it's the philosophy..or lack thereof. Longtime fans remember a familiar phrase often used by our beloved J. Gibbs. He would always talk about "Redskins football" as in "that's redskins football!" or "he's a real redskin". What he meant by that was that he, like all the great coaches, had a system. A long term vision for the team and he aquired players -"real Redskins"- that FIT that system. Some like Jacoby and Bostic, were complete unknowns to most "experts" at the time , but they FIT the system he was building. you will find similar models in todays top organizations like NE, Pittsburgh and Tennessee. Fisher for example routinely fields teams that are short on stars but have solid, tough, hardnosed players that fit perfectly into his system. Constantly changing coaches and players makes it impossible to form any long term cohesion like these teams have. Portis is a perfect example. a superb player who always plays hard but nonetheless would thrive in a zone blocking scheme like Shanahan had in Denver. he was not built for a Joe Bugel type smashmouth counter-trey kind of scheme. The same with Campbell, who clearly would do better in a downfield kind of attack rather than the dink/dunk of zorns west coast scheme. Essentially we have a bunch of parts..some very talented parts, that don't add up to a whole.
as painful as it may be at first, we need to start over and build from the bottom up. But not before we have the right coach and GM in place who share the same vision for the team-long term. We must build through the draft and only aquire free agents that actually fit into their overall philosophy. We could do a lot worse than a B.Cower(and have)who at the least would bring some attitude back to the team. Some toughness. A trademark of his teams, like Fishers. I make good cheese handicapping the NFL these days. Though i love them dearly, I'm never on or against the Skins because they are just to unpredictable. Give me a Belichick, a Fisher, or even a Dungey and I'll make you some dough and have for years. A franchise QB is usually essential but the system itself is primary, as exemplified by Gibbs (who did it with 3 different QB's)
Until that day that Dan realizes this, we will continue to play fantasy football in free agency with a bunch of flashy pieces that don't necessarily fit together. Let's get back to "Redskins football". After all, we were one of the innovators of the successful models used today.

Posted by: flyingtrees | September 23, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

My comment on Schwartz was posted before my last one by the Post and is meant to be read AFTER my extended comments above.

Posted by: flyingtrees | September 23, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn will be fine as long as he let's the O open up. But if he continues to handcuff jason and the passing game is only getting 200yd from the qb position, then all the attention will go to him. If Jason struggles with missed passes and interceptions, then it will be shared (unless the oline sucks), but he has to open up the floodgates.

To be honest, it's not that hard. I look at the giants and they manage to get nearly every receiver on their roster atleast one touch, but we cant even get our PRIMARY receiver off. Steelers, Dallas, Saints, titans, do it....we have some talent in the receiver'corps, but until he figure out a way to get them in, they will never know

That whole knowing the play book mess is bull, MAKE UP PLAYS SPECIFICALLY for them, that get's them in the game....build their confindence up.

Posted by: impervious99 | September 23, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn could lighten up regarding Campbell. But considering snyder runs the team in the same fashion that fans would run it I can understand Zorn taking such a cautious approach to play calling and protecting Campbell from making mistakes. Zorn is a QB coach first. So his pride is in how well campbell performs. Probably even more than how well the skins perform because in the end we know he was not Snyders first choice as coach so when he does leave he wants to be able to continue as a QB coach with his rep in tact. How well JC develops will be his measure more than how many games he wins as the skins coach. But I think he should let campbell go for it and whatever happens happens. That said, fans should stop wishing for new coaches and QB's every other season for you will get your wish. And from what I see not too many teams have any success switching coaches and QB's at the rate fans wish for those changes. If fans had their way in Dallas, Jerry Jones would have never owned the team and their would have been no Emmit, Troy, Irving and three superbowls in the 90's. Imagine if fans had their way in NY? Eli Manning would have been benched for lack of leadership and Tom Coughlin would have been fired. Since, they both have shut up the NY fans, the NY media as well as Tiki Barber and Michael Strahan. Ask a giants fan now do they still wish Eli was benched and Coughlin fired. Ask Barber does he regret retiring and trashing the team and the coach and not winning a superbowl. Its funny what happens when you show patience towards a player or coach for more than one or two seasons. They actually get better more times than they get worse. But we live in our instant worlds were we are told we should not have to wait for anything so we cant be loyal fans unless our teams have instant success. If we cant get instant results with anything we get rid of it. Remember fans, how long did it take Cower and Shanahan to win superbowls?

Posted by: ged0386 | September 23, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I am a Redskin fan and it is obvious that Jason has the talent to be a star in the league he has shown that but he need the handcuff's taken off and allow him to make mistakes. He has a huge arm let him throw the ball or let your successor come in now and bring some excitement back into this prestigous organization........ GO SKINS!
Posted by: oldschool812
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What Jason are you talking about because Campbell has been here for 5 years under 2 head coaches and he has showed nothing more than maybe being a mediocre QB. He lost under Gibbs and is at best average under Zorn. When the Skins win it's because of defense and the running game. Yeah Campbell plays well enough not to lose but hasn't shown he can win the big or tough games yet either. What Zorn should be blamed for is lockeding into JC as QB. I say if the offense continues to be as bad as this he needs to be a HC and try Todd Collins at QB..

Posted by: sovine08 | September 23, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Flacco,Stafford,Sanchez,Ryan came into the league and made an impact with average receivers.

Flacco has a great defense and running game as well as all pro tight end and experience and 1st rounders at WR's, Ryan has Tony Gonzalez and a running game. Both are probably better coming out of college than JC was. JC came from a SEC running team with two 1st rounders as backs in the same class he was drafted from. Auburn is not QB U. JC was probably one of the better QB's suited for the NFL out of the SEC. Look at how many QB's from UF, Bamma LSU that have done less than Jason in the NFL. The Manning's are the only sucessful NFL QB's from the SEC. I think as far as stafford and Sanchez its a little to early to declare them more successful than JC. Sanchez is 2-0 and Stafford is 0-2. You anointing them successes over campbell is an example of how fickle fans have become today. Fans live in the moment. Once sunday can change the average fans perception from one week to the next. Fans think real NFL teams can be run like fantasy teams. Even with the luxury of Monday morning quarterbacking and hindsight us fans usually get it wrong more times than right. Why? Because we constantly live in the moment regarding sports.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 23, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's losing this team quickly.

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Yes, if you listen to fans, sports talk radio and others who are not players or staff. I doubt if the players think zorn is losing the team. It's week 2 and they are 1-1. Only fickle fans make statements like Zorn is losing the team at this point. Why? because we think we are entitled to say that if they dont win every sunday in a way that is entertaining to us. Ask yourself, if the skins won 10 plus games this year and made the playoffs but did not score 30 points in any of the games would fans still not be satisfied? The answer is yes, there would still be disgruntled fans.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 23, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Give Campbell the freedom to audible and we'll see a more exciting offense. Let Haynesworth freelance and we'll start forcing some turnovers on defense. For some reason I expected Zorn's offense to be more creative but it's actually quite boring. I thought he was going to add onto the offensive stuff he was doing early last year but now it appears that was his best stuff.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 23, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Give Campbell the freedom to audible and we'll see a more exciting offense. Let Haynesworth freelance and we'll start forcing some turnovers on defense. For some reason I expected Zorn's offense to be more creative but it's actually quite boring. I thought he was going to add onto the offensive stuff he was doing early last year but now it appears that was his best stuff.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 23, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Every loyal Skins fan knows that Vinny Cerrato is the cancer of this team, ZZZZZorn is just another symptom. If Snyder doesn't want to lose his investment Vinny must be fired immediately. Thinking about it Vinny Cerrato is our Matt Millen.

When fans start deciding what is best for the team thats win I am done. The same fans that since snyder has own this team have been all over the place with their opinions on what the skins should do. Lets start with fans calling for Charlie Casserly to be fired before Snyder even hired Cerrato. Now fans talk about hiring him in place of Cerrato. How about fans wanting to see marty go after one season of 8-8? Along with Brad Johnson. Now fans say we should have kept old Marty and we all watched Brad Johnson win a superbowl with that same weak arm that we were saying we should get rid of him for when we acquired Jeff George. How about fans wishing for Gibbs return only to bail on him as soon as it was obvious that he would not bring us an instant superbowl in 2 years or less. Most of Cerrato's calls have been good ones. His draft picks have been successful here. Not always great but more successful than not. Its the snyder picks that have been failures. And snyder reminds me of the fans. Knee Jerk and impatient. Is there a better GM than cerratto? Yes. Will we get them? Not sure about that. When fans call for change as a fix to every problem realize that change can sometimes lead to more problems and if you lack patience you will just keep changing until you have the Detroit Lions. A team with a different coach, QB, RB, WR, Coordinator every year. They blamed matt millen for everything just like we blame cerroto, they fire him, fire the coach hire new GM and Coach then go 0-18. But I can remember fans and sportwriters calling for Wayne Fontes job when Detroit could not get out of the first round of the playoffs. They fired him after missing the playoffs by one game on a team that made the playoffs the year before. And they have gone down hill every since. I bet they wish for those days now. Fans, be careful of all the changes you wish for, you just might get them, but not the results you want. Just ask Detroit fans.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 23, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

What Jason are you talking about because Campbell has been here for 5 years under 2 head coaches and he has showed nothing more than maybe being a mediocre QB. He lost under Gibbs and is at best average under Zorn. When the Skins win it's because of defense and the running game. Yeah Campbell plays well enough not to lose but hasn't shown he can win the big or tough games yet either. What Zorn should be blamed for is lockeding into JC as QB. I say if the offense continues to be as bad as this he needs to be a HC and try Todd Collins at QB..

Posted by: sovine08 |


I recall NY fans use to say the same thing about Eli Manning, Average at best, No leadership skills, Dear in the headlights, slow reaction, should be benched. They doubted him all the way up to that touchdown pass to Plaxico in the superbowl. Why? Because thats what fans do. Be opinionated guessers with nothing more to lose or invested than a couple of hours on sunday watching the game. Fans get it wrong more than anyone else. Remember skins fans, You wanted Brad Johnson gone too. Yet you were willing to give Patrick Ramsey the same time and more than Campbell has been given for the same reasons, new coach, different systems, no protection. What is Ramsey doing these days? Holding a clipboard.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 23, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse


Zorn and Campbell should share responsibility for the lack of Reskins offense -- however, neither of these worthless apologists have ever shown much in the way of manning up and being accountable for their failures.

Campbell is simply unable to make the basic plays -- and don't even try to dare him to do something special like checking down to a secondary receiver or tossing the football more than 10 yards downfield. He may be the perfect embodiment of that old maxum about nice guys finishing last.

Meanwhile, Zorn continues to amaze with the unrelenting display of dumb arrogance and stupidity in his refusal to bench this loser of a QB in favor of someone who will quit making excuses and just get out there and get the job done.

If the Redskins are to have any hope of salvaging this lost season, both of these losers should be fired without further delay.

Posted by: Vic1 | September 23, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

flyingtrees

Your post is money. Zorn I like but he is learning as a coach and his talent and strengths belongs as a QB coach right now. Not saying he cant become a good coach. But you are right, we have a mixture of talent that does not fit and coaching that does not fit the players. Thus the inconsistancy. We have no identity thats why we struggle in the red zone because that is when your identity come into play on offense. How do you get into the endzone. I honestly think that Zorn has not been a coach long enough to develop a team identity within his coaching style. He is still trying to find that within his own style. West Coast does not fit our team or division. But then again Zorn was not snyder's first choice. It was cower then Fossel, but both want more control over player personnel. Thats the reason none of them are here. And yes, you can hire a good chef like cower but you have to get him ingredients that fit the chefs cooking style for him to make a good meal. And the chef has to already be a good cook to know what he needs. Zorn has not been a head coach long enough to know exactly what he needs offensively to win. He is just working with what he has and trying to learn to make it a decent meal out of it. That is a reflection on Snyder because he hired him as head coach knowing this. So I do blame snyder for some of the redskins lack of success. Snyder knows how to make money through business. He does not know how to evaluate NFL personnel. If he did he would not have hired Norv Turner as a head coach and would not have fired Marty after one season of 8-8 winning his last month of games. Norv cant develop team identity and Marty can. Just look at the two teams they both coached. You knew the identity of the skins and chargers with Marty, you still dont with Norv. Will Zorn be a Marty of Norv. We will never find out here because snyder will replace him and JC as soon as an attractive candidate comes up in both positions.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 23, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Stop making excuses for JC.

Posted by: hock1 |

Worse than the people who make excuses for JC are the fans who want to blame him for things he is not responsible for. Stop blaming him for everything. He threw two passes in the red zone that should have resulted in scores. They were both dropped. Those were his only chances last sunday. Yes blame him for not holding the ball up higher when he was stripped by the Giants. That was on him. Last sunday was not. Thats not making excuses for him thats just stating the obvious.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 23, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

dolph924

Danny will sell the team when you quit your job because you aren't on the cover of a fortune 500 business magazine, or when you give up your kids for not being the best parent in the neighborhood or leave your spouse for not being the perfect mate. That is snyders team and he aint selling it no more than you would give up your job because I did not like your performance. Its silly to keep even making that request or point. Name any owner of any team that sold it because some fans were displeased with how they run it? Just one owner of one team. Now if anything, if the skins ever lose their fan base completely. Snyder will move the team. How would you like that?

Posted by: ged0386 | September 23, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Zorn and Campbell should share responsibility for the lack of Reskins offense -- however, neither of these worthless apologists have ever shown much in the way of manning up and being accountable for their failures.

Campbell is simply unable to make the basic plays -- and don't even try to dare him to do something special like checking down to a secondary receiver or tossing the football more than 10 yards downfield. He may be the perfect embodiment of that old maxum about nice guys finishing last.

Meanwhile, Zorn continues to amaze with the unrelenting display of dumb arrogance and stupidity in his refusal to bench this loser of a QB in favor of someone who will quit making excuses and just get out there and get the job done.

If the Redskins are to have any hope of salvaging this lost season, both of these losers should be fired without further delay.

Posted by: Vic1 |

This is a perfect example of a typical skins fan. Replace the guy who is trying but not successful with a guy who has no more potential than that guy but with hope he does better. Bench Campbell then what? Replace him with collins? Wow, all this time and all these QB's and collins is the answer right their on the bench. I cant understand why he hasn't mad a pro bowl all these years. He is obviously more talented than JC. He won five games as his replacement during JC's first season starting under the previous coach and system didn't he? Remember last year when fans were calling for McNabb to be benched or replaced? Well he got benched all right. For one half. As soon as Kolb threw two picks, one ran back fans and Coach Reid knew that was not the answer. Philly made it to the NFC championship. With McNabb, they guy fans wanted benched. We are not as smart as we think we are. We are fans.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 23, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins are to have any hope of salvaging this lost season, both of these losers should be fired without further delay.

Posted by: Vic1


If campbell and zorn are losers who should be fired, what does that make you? They work in the NFL. You post on web blogs about them, Right now they are at work doing their jobs, you are on a web blog, stealing company money. If I had to pick who is the loser I dont think it would be Zorn or Campbell. I would pick the nobody on the web blog. That skins player who twitted last week was right about skins fans. They are nitwits.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 23, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

SKINS FANS ARE NITWITS. Please find another team to root for. You are fake fans. Root for the colts. They are 2-0 and seeing how fickle fans are that should be enough to anoint them as the superbowl favorite so hop on the bandwagon so you can root for a sure winner. I will stick with the skins and I will root for them and no I wont waste time trashing them because like Denny Green says, They are who we thought they were. A team with playoff like talent but has not put it all together yet and still missing some parts. Right now, best case scenario, if you get rid of zorn and JC the skins are still no closer to the superbowl than they are with them. Give us Cower, Chucky, or Mike with a new QB and they still will be a divisional playoff team at best until they put all the pieces together. That means those coaches will not bring you a championship within a couple of seasons either. It took time for each of those coaches to build winners with the teams they coached. Dungy actually built the team Chucky took to the superbowl. Its funny how we want the skins to constantly do what we criticize the wizards/bullets for doing. Getting rid of players and coaches before they can develop and replacing them with names that fill the stands but dont produce any better results any faster. All in the quest to produce that instant championship team. Ah, I remember when we fans wanted to bench Mark Brunell for that young third string guy with a stronger arm and pocket presence a couple of seasons ago. I think his name was Jason Campbell. Fans always think they have it right. If you were wrong then about the QB position change why do you think you are right today regarding QB?

Posted by: ged0386 | September 23, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Us skins fans are typical inside the beltway fans. We want you, then if you dont bring instant success we want to vote you out. Then we want instant success from whoever replaces you or we want to vote them out in a year or two. This is how snyder runs this team, the same way fans think. Thats why his success in winning is inconsistent. He never gives one guy a chance. Nor do fans. Just think, We hired Zorn a year ago and he went 8-8 and missed the playoffs by one game with no head coaching experience. Now he is 1-1 and we want him fired. One year and 2 games into another with no previous head coaching experience you are 500. By any other standards that would be promising. Not here. Not from fans who wanted gibbs who gave us three trophies gone after two playoff appearances in 4 years. Dont worry we will do the same thing to the next coach, whether its Cower, Shannahan, Parcells or Bellicheck they get one season to produce a superbowl with these fans, then its fire him and wait for the next sexy name to hang our unrealistic expectations on. As much as we talk about Ryan and Flacco being better than campbell if they were the skins QB and did not win a championship in two seasons we would be calling for them to be benched or replaced.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 23, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

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