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Punter Smith Has One More Day to Recover

The Redskins plan to work out Hunter Smith (groin) on Saturday to determine whether he could handle punting duties this week against the Kansas City Chiefs at FedEx Field.

"We're going to make a decision tomorrow," Coach Jim Zorn said after practice at Redskins Park. "We're trying to give him one more day. Hopefully, the 24 hours will help in some way.

"We have the time to do that, so I'm going to take the time to do that. If he can go, if he punts and feels good, he's going."

Smith, who did not punt during practice today, was injured on his first punt in the 16-13 victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Week 3. He then sat out the 20-17 loss to the Carolina Panthers. The Redskins signed free-agent Glenn Pakulak, who averaged 35.6 net yards on five punts.

Pakulak was cut after the game and re-signed to the practice squad. If Smith cannot punt again this week, the Redskins would have to make a move to add him to the 53-man roster for the game.

More injury updates:

Defensive lineman Phillip Daniels (torn biceps) and defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin (elbow) practiced and are listed as questionable. If Daniels is unable to play because of the tear he suffered last week, rookie defensive end Jeremy Jarmon would start for him.

"I have a good feel about those guys," Zorn said of the veterans. "They both got some strength back in their arms." ...

Clinton Portis (calf) and Albert Haynesworth (ankle) practiced and are listed as probable. ...

Guard Chad Rinehart, demoted from the starting lineup after two games, might not be active for the second time in as many weeks, Zorn said. Although Rinehart has a sore left shoulder, he said he could play with the injury.

By Jason Reid  |  October 16, 2009; 2:12 PM ET
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Apparently, there's a home video of the "balloon launch" from yesterday that shows Daddy Freak-o releasing it into the sky.

Hmmmmm.

Posted by: 4-12

Wow to use your 6 year old child for publicity. He needs his ass kick.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

chad rinehart... time of death, 215pm Friday

Posted by: mopp04 | October 16, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see that CP and Fat Albert both got a morning's worth of work in this week.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 16, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"DikShuttle, hold on to that thought because I'm gonna explain to you when we get home all the things that are wrong with that statement."

And that balloon video is SO fake. There is NO way they could have thought the kid was in there.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it with this team. Rinehart didn't look bad when he was in there and they replace him. Heyer get blown the f up and they don't look to replace this guy. wow

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

SJK Sandwich... lmao
____________________________________

Balloon Dad was on Wife Swap. TWICE!

He may as well have the kids stichin' Burberry patterns on pleather purses.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

jm, 1-BILLION percent agreed, its just beyond stupid. CR played by all accounts fairly well, but somehow in 2 games of play, the genius's in the FO have determined that he can't cut it...ufb...what is wrong with these morons....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Ok, you can have Ice Cream, but you're going to have to eat two SJK Sandwiches. or - you don't have to eat any SJK Sandwiches, but you don't get Ice Cream.
...think of it like that.
..mebbe loosin' to Dallas isn't like eating an SJK Sandwich to you. It is to me.
Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 2:14 PM

Hey, that’s like survivor last night……they had to drink what equated to sjk-milkshakes without puking, and the winners got to eat steak and brats. Anyway, I know it’s your opinion so it’s not wrong, it’s just that you are probably the only one up here who would rather beat Dallas than win the SB…..and seems to think that you will feel better about it for longer.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

bean/jm...Yes, yes, and yes. That rescue response had to cost tens of thousands of $$$. Make him pay all of it. And get those kids out of that house.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

jm220 -- what's really nuts is the OL bench. If Rino isn't active, the OL bench guys are Edwin Williams and Batiste.

Thats it!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Might as well let cooley punt. If we aren't going to win we might as well make it fun!!!

Triple Option AA CP Sellers!!!
Wildcat!!
Spread!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it with this team. Rinehart didn't look bad when he was in there and they replace him. Heyer get blown the f up and they don't look to replace this guy. wow

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 2:18 PM

He's injured. He was only ok when fully healthy why stick him out there when he can't fully use his arms.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I am mad at them because my dad was going to be doing a 30 min interview on MSNBC yesterday and got bumped for Blimp Boy.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 16, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

With the way this Oline has players dropping like flies, how could you make ANY of them not active for the game?!?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 16, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Fun should be our new motto. All gimmick, all the time. Put Hunter in at RB.

Posted by: bostskin | October 16, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

if we stuck J.Camp in a balloon we would not need a line, as he could float above the D.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

zeke- One more trade offer waiting for you...I think you'll like this one

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

TIWSI still doesn't explain why they are not trying to replace Heyer. I watch that play from the end zone about 10 times. I just can't believe how much he sucks.

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I am mad at them because my dad was going to be doing a 30 min interview on MSNBC yesterday and got bumped for Blimp Boy.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 16, 2009 2:26 PM


No I wasnt

Posted by: GreatOne1 | October 16, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

btw - puhleeze don't rush the punter! Let him heal.

You can handle suck punts for a while - just throw a blocker into the returner....

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Everyone should send a letter asking Roger Goodell to talk with Dan Synder and ask him to change his way of running the team. Maybe if the Commissioner explains how angry the fan base is, maybe (a big maybe) something will change.

If 50,000+ letters start showing up maybe Dan will at least be embarrassed.

National Football League
280 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10017
Attn: Commissioner Roger Goodell

Posted by: noonefromtampa


You are still suffering from the delusion that so many Skins fans are. They don't give a damn about you fans! Get it! As long as you keep buying the tacky crap they sell, they'll never care.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is incensed over the Rhinehart inactive (me, too), but let's question the wisdom of releasing a punter, re-signing an ancient defensive lineman, and then having to release someone else by the end of the week so you can re-sign the previously released punter. Anyone think this is stupid? Why not hold on to the punter until the end of the week when you could better determine if Hunter the Punter could play or not? All of this brought to you by the guys who have ignored offensive line depth on game days all season. This team is so stupid sometimes it makes my head hurt.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 16, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

jm220 I've got no explanation regarding Heyer. Bugle implied that Heyer was more comfortable on that side. We shall see.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe for a second that he is hurt, or any more than the damage on any O-lineman.

I also think, after watching, that Will Montgomery deserves to start.

what I don't understand in the slightest is why you have the dude inactive. He is a borderline starter (on this team) on a line that sees in game switch ups every game. Why would you not have him suited up and ready to go in?

They must really have no faith in this kid

(Oh and can we not draft O-linemen from anything else then big conference Div I schools? Other positions sure, but O-line..I think you have to cull from the big programs.)

Posted by: chrislarry | October 16, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Interesting offer 4-12. I know its pretty fair, just have to see if it makes sense. Give me some time to think it thru.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 16, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Report: Stacy Andrews punched fiancee
Posted by Josh Alper on October 16, 2009 9:47 AM ET
Eagles guard Stacy Andrews was reportedly involved in a domestic dispute during which he punched his fiancee in the face.

A report filed by police officers in Lumberton Township, New Jersey states that officers were called to a house on the afternoon of September 30th where they were met by Brandy Box, Andrews's fiancee. Box accused the offensive lineman of punching her in the face after a verbal dispute. Police took Andrews to the station, but was released after Box refused to file a restraining order or sign a complaint.

Andrews denied the accusations to the Philadelphia Inquirer on Thursday.

"I didn't hit her," Andrews said. "I'd be locked up and be in big doo-doo if I did."

Andrews said the couple is still together, but has not set a wedding date yet. The paper tried but could not get comments from Box, the Eagles or the chief of the Lumberton Township police department.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 10:24

Brandy Box? Was there a pole involved in her past work?

Posted by: fzone | October 16, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Given the current projections for players declaring for the draft, would it be better to 1) draft a top-flight QB and sit him for a year while the line is rebuilt over 2 years or 2) keep/find some moderately skilled QB and draft a LT with the first pick, followed by a Center, RT/RG?

I'm conflicted; I could make a case either way and curious what you guys think.

Posted by: AppleScience | October 16, 2009 12:27 PM

Tough choice. With Samuels done or nearly so and the rest of the o-line in shambles, drafting an LT is a must at some point. Although having the opportunity to draft a franchise QB doesn't come around often I'd lean towards taking an LT with the first pick. The skins are bad but I think there will be at least 6 teams picking in front of them (St. Louis, TB, Oakland, Cleveland, KC, Buffalo). I could see at least 4 of those teams being interested in a QB as well.

Posted by: skinswest | October 16, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is incensed over the Rhinehart inactive (me, too), but let's question the wisdom of releasing a punter, re-signing an ancient defensive lineman, and then having to release someone else by the end of the week so you can re-sign the previously released punter. Anyone think this is stupid? Why not hold on to the punter until the end of the week when you could better determine if Hunter the Punter could play or not? All of this brought to you by the guys who have ignored offensive line depth on game days all season. This team is so stupid sometimes it makes my head hurt.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 16, 2009 2:35 PM

Won't they just release Wynn again?

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

RE Pakulak signing: I think the whole thing was based on a fear that Renaldo Wynn would get signed by some other team. Not sure why that is, but that certainly seems to be the reason.

Posted by: AppleScience | October 16, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

See if the masses on RI want to help you pull the trigger zeke:

** FF offer **

zeke gets Winslow and J.Stewart...I get Julius Jones and a back-up defense.

** End FF offer **

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

See if the masses on RI want to help you pull the trigger zeke:

** FF offer **

zeke gets Winslow and J.Stewart...I get Julius Jones and a back-up defense.

** End FF offer **

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 2:41 PM

What defense is being offered?

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Why do we care if Rhino is inactive? The guy is rubbish.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

His choice TWISI, betwenn [I think] Bengals and Panthers. I only need it as a bye week replacement.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry Rhinehart mentioned that he is still building back strength in his should:

By David Elfin on Oct. 16, 2009 into Redskins 360

Guard Chad Rinehart, who lost his starting job to Mike Williams last week, said that he's still trying to regain full strength in the left shoulder he injured early against the Bucs.

-Davis Elfin

IMO get a healthier player on the field. Ed Williams is not much of a drop off, and perhaps a Mitchell or Alridge can be active this week.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

If anyone is in need of some Skins positivity Chris Paul managed to summon up the good vibe. While is lasts:

http://www.youtube.com/user/chrispaulskinsmix#p/a/0/RNK47XFQEjM

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 16, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Zeke take the trade.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

The OL issue has been inexplicable for a very long time -- with this week being among the most puzzling.

We've gone from 10 OL (11 if you count the practice squad guy) to 8 OL, with Thomas and Samuels out.

So who did the front office bring in to evaluate? Unless I missed something ... No One !!!

Plus, they are considering going into the game with 7 OL active? Heyer's been injured every year here. Monty and BMW have very little playing time so you don't know how they will hold up. Last year, we lost 3 OL in one game. Its not like this sort of problem hasn't happened before.

Its bizarre.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Why do we care if Rhino is inactive? The guy is rubbish.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. Dude has been here for 3 years. He's not good, if he was he would have been handed the job when Thomas went down. Now they see in games, which I'm sure they've seen in practice.

This "shoulder" problem is b.s. More likely, it's future spin on why he couldn't get on the field.

F Cerrato and most definitely, F Snyder.

Posted by: ksquare | October 16, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

They had planned for Wynn to play this week, so doubt they release Wynn. It's important to have Rhino active because Williams spent most of preseason injured and Heyer hasn't made it through a season without being injured, so the likelihood that they are going to need some backup OL help is quite high. As poor as he played last game, Batiste is considered the backup tackle and Edwin Williams - who has never played in a regular season game - would be the backup guard & center. I would def want Rhinehart in the game.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 16, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Guard Chad Rinehart, who lost his starting job to Mike Williams last week, said that he's still trying to regain full strength in the left shoulder he injured early against the Bucs.

-Davis Elfin

Why we never get this type of information from the post until 6-7 hours later or the next day?

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Did Rhino even practice this week? From what JZ said on Wednesday they went with Montgomery because he could take the reps. I really think there are only 7 healthy OL on the team. Rhino isn't going to be a healthy scratch.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Just thinking it thru TWISI. The trade offer doesn't give a choice of defenses ... its the Bengals defense in the offer.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 16, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

zeke gets Winslow and J.Stewart...I get Julius Jones and a back-up defense.

** End FF offer **

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 2:41 PM

Only pull the trigger if it's Michael Winslow and Jimmy Stewart that you're getting.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 16, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

My fault zeke...I thought I wrote in the note that you can decide which one. Again, it's just a bye-week D, so I'm not gonna sweat it.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, there's a home video of the "balloon launch" from yesterday that shows Daddy Freak-o releasing it into the sky.

Hmmmmm.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 2:05 PM

Give me a link!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Its bizarre.

Posted by: zcezcest1

You've got that right. Bizarre. Peculiar. Stupid. Inexplicable. I remember Beathard used to have a constant stream of players coming in to be evaluated throughout the season. With so many concerns about the offensive line, you'd think Cerrato would be bringing in anyone who ever played tackle in an NFL, CFL, XFL, or UFL game for tryouts. There's got to be someone out there that could help. Heck, they have a guy on their developmental roster that's an offensive lineman. Maybe they should at least activate him to replace Thomas.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 16, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Of course, I could "pull a Vinny" and throw in a 2nd round pick next year and free raquetball lessons.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

4th, it was on the teevee. Check the webnets, usual suspects of CNN, MSNBC, F NEWS...

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I see peeps are on my boy's T. Forcier's Sack, save for the hater Sween. And are saying 2012.

He's not coming out until the 2013 Draft. He will do all his 4 years.

And he is 6'1" 184 lbs. He's tall enough for the NFL. He's only a true Freshman. Patience People. Let him bring UMich back to prominence first.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Hmm. Where'd the "ox" go?

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reporting what we already know.. Samuels likely out for year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4565584

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we can hit up the White House for some help with the O-Line...a cash for clunkers kind of thing.

We should surely qualify

and yes I just called you shirley

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 16, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone actually surprised by Samules being out?! Wasn't that a given??

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 16, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

If Rinehart isn't active....Who the F#$K will be the backup guards?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

GRIEF COUNSELORS AT FEDEX FIELD

FEDEX FIELD, MD -- Anticipating a major outpouring of anger and anguish this Sunday afternoon at FEDEX Field, officials for the Washington Redskins today announced that they have procured the services of several thousand specially trained grief counselors who will be available to help angry and disillusioned fans deal with yet another loss in this lost season for Washington’s favorite football team.

The counselors will available throughout the stadium, and easy to spot by their distinctive black shirts, hats and jackets.

Said a team spokesman, “If you see someone dressed in black, you can be assured that you have found someone who understands your pain and can commiserate with your anger and disappointment.”

In other Redskin news, a team spokesman announced that Sunday will also see the debut of a line of team apparel, including a designer edition paper bag for fans to wear on their heads in shame, and several new maroon and black tee shirts embellished with such witticisms as “FU Dan” and “Fire Zorn.”

The official explained, “If you can’t beat them, join them. Besides, this could be downright lucrative for all concerned.”

Posted by: Vic1 | October 16, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

maybe this is a good thing, I'm not saying I'm glad this happened, but maybe because of this, the FO is FORCED to focus on the OLINE this year....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

hadn't seen the note, 4-12. Thanks

Also, etrod, you did very well with our trade. Chambers hasn't done much, but Buckhalter is averaging 10 per game, Santana is up there and Peyton is the league's #1 point scorer, by a lot.

On my end, Jennings has been so-so compared to expectations and we'll see about Lynch.

So that means I should take your advice?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 16, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

A couple nuggets from ESPN.com:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4565584
Mosley saying Samuels may be done for season and possibly career. Nothing new reported just sucks reading it elsewhere.

Also this is from Adam Schefter:
6. Redskins turmoil: The anti-Eagles offense is the Redskins, which looks to be aging and regressing. A defensive coach from another team who played -- and studied -- the Redskins this season said Washington's offense is plain and simple. The coach said tight end Chris Cooley is the team's biggest offensive threat, and Washington doesn't use him as much as it should. The coach wondered about the condition of running back Clinton Portis, who has not gotten along well with head coach Jim Zorn. The coach wondered about the reasoning for some of the Redskins' play calls, which probably helps to explain why the team felt it needed to hire offensive consultant Sherman Lewis two weeks ago. None of this is overly surprising to anyone who has watched, but it's more evidence that the Redskins soon will be undergoing repairs.

Posted by: skinswest | October 16, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

what exactly did rush limbaugh say that was/is racist? sorry, i don't listen to him and don't know.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 16, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

WaPo,

I'm glad to see Tracee covering a true professionally managed pro team instead of this one. With draft picks for exactly the right positions coming into their own at exactly the right time. That used to be the case for this team under Joe Gibbs back-in-the-day. But now first with the son-of-Cook and then Rockville's own Snidely the Owl ... well ... its a circus.

Posted by: periculum | October 16, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinswest | October 16, 2009 3:23 PM

I highly believe Zorn is trying to win without depending on Portis as the MAin Reason.

Once CP starts to get the ball again early in often...We'll be back on track....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 16, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reporting what we already know.. Samuels likely out for year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4565584

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 16, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

We have to take 2 tackles in the draft this year. We can hopefully get one of the elite left tackles Okung or Williams in the first round. Hopefully we can get a good right tackle in the second. I'd like to get a center too in the fourth. We could move BMW to guard permenantly and take guards in 2011.

Okung
Dock
Josh McNeil
BMW
Bulaga/Ulatoski

Now that's a line!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Periculum: As much as I loved Joe Gibbs as a kid, every time I point out how good he was, my father points out that part of his success was a solid general manager behind him.

Posted by: AppleScience | October 16, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

We don't need an offensive line, just give Campbell a taser or some pepper spray.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 16, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Once again, it would behoove the people accusing DHall of risky "feast or famine" coverage style to present some actual evidence of him taking dumb risks and getting badly beat in coverage.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 11:10 AM


How About Mario Manningham's 19.8 (!) ypc average in week one. That was D.Hall's man. That a good enough example?

Or should I mention Steve Smith's 13.0 ypc average last week?


Or Antonio Bryant's 11.0 YPC average the week before?

He did fairly well against C. Johnson, holding him to only 9.8 ypc...

K. Burton is listed as the Rams #1 receiver, but I'm not sure if he was during the skins game so I'll let that one slide (19.0 YPC Average)

I will admit that none of those receivers had over 100 yards (but only two of those opposing QB's cracked 200 yards passing on the day TOTAL). That being said, on average every catch D.Hall gives up is at or beyond the first down marker. That is not acceptable of a #1 corner making 55mil. Especially when you add in that he can't tackle to save his life.

Posted by: ecale25 | October 16, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse


No your examples are not good enough.

You dug up YPC numbers with absolutely no evidence that they should be attributed solely to DHAll's "feast or famine" coverage skills except for claiming "that was his man".

Manningham was not DHall's man - at least not all game, and wasn't DHall's man on the TD. Manningham was Fred Smoot's man on that play.

Besides, getting some completions on a DB - even if they are past 10 yards is simply not evidence of "feast or famine" coverage skills.

The criticm about DHall is that he plays risky, goes for the big play and then gets burned. I have yet to see that happen.

Sometimes a DB gets beat. Even Champ Bailey gets beat. Even Deion Sanders got beat. Sometimes the right play is called and the QB and WR just click and even good coverage can't do the trick.

So nice try, but try again...

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Periculum: As much as I loved Joe Gibbs as a kid, every time I point out how good he was, my father points out that part of his success was a solid general manager behind him.

Posted by: AppleScience

And a great owner!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 16, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Too bad we can't draft a GM and a play caller.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

With all the issues on the line, they're going to have to do more than just address it in the draft.

I definitely think they need to draft Russell Okung or Trent Williams in the first round, but they'll also need to look at free agency for a quality starter or two.

Anyone know where to find a list of potential free agents?

Posted by: dfbovey | October 16, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

lol.. I know he did, but I never saw Deion Sanders get beat.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

lol.. I know he did, but I never saw Deion Sanders get beat.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse


Queue up any game he played with the Redskins...

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

So nice try, but try again...

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The seahawk game last year or the second eagles game, hall got burned 2 or 3 times. but the WR didnt make the catch. One was for a TD. I think it was the ealges game. Not sure if he was "taking risks" when he got burned, but he got torched! I know, you cant argue with this definitive evidence! Its thoroughly researchded!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 16, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Russell Okung or Trent Williams. I'm playing devil's advocate here. How do these two compare to other recent 1st round OL? Are they going to be good or great OL? I saw Okung against A&M. He completely got burned on a speed rush by Von Miller who caused a sack fumble. Now no one wins all battles, but I'd like some way to project how they will be in the NFL.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

With all the issues on the line, they're going to have to do more than just address it in the draft.

I definitely think they need to draft Russell Okung or Trent Williams in the first round, but they'll also need to look at free agency for a quality starter or two.

Anyone know where to find a list of potential free agents?

Posted by: dfbovey | October 16, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

It may actually work out. If we can get one of the elite left tackles in the first round. The right tackles are projected for the second round. The centers a re mostly projected for the 4th round. If we land all 3 we can move BMW to the right guard spot.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/ol.html

Keep in mind that most of these guys will be signed.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Some players who are shown as potential free agents along the offensive line:

Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints (26)
Marcus McNeill, San Diego Chargers (25)
Daryn Colledge, Green Bay Packers (27)
Jared Gaither, Baltimore Ravens (23) RF
Chad Clifton, Green Bay Packers (33)
Mike Gandy, Arizona Cardinals (30)
Kevin Mawae, Tennessee Titans (38)
Eugene Amano, Tennessee Titans (27)
David Baas, San Francisco 49ers (27)
Khalif Barnes, Oakland Raiders (27)
Alex Barron, St. Louis Rams (26)
Jeromey Clary, San Diego Chargers (25) – Restricted FA
Ryan Cook, Minnesota Vikings (26)
Rex Hadnot, Cleveland Browns (27)
Ben Hamilton, Denver Broncos (32)
Justin Hartwig, Pittsburgh Steelers (30)
Richie Incognito, St. Louis Rams (26)
Jon Jansen, Washington Redskins (33)
Charlie Johnson, Indianapolis Colts (25)
Nick Kaczur, New England Patriots (30)
Chris Kuper, Denver Broncos (26)
Deuce Lutui, Arizona Cardinals (26)
Stephen Neal, New England Patriots (32)
Rudy Niswanger, Kansas City Chiefs (26)
Donald Penn, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (26)
Chester Pitts, Houston Texans (30)
Chris Spencer, Seattle Seahawks (27)
Jason Spitz, Green Bay Packers (26)
Adam Terry, Baltimore Ravens (27)
Jeremy Trueblood, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (26)
Bobbie Williams, Cincinnati Bengals (32)
Marshal Yanda, Baltimore Ravens (24)

If you could grab a starting RT or guard out of that along with taking a LT in the first round, it would be a good start.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 16, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Slightly off topic, but the reference to Jarmon made me write this. Call me crazy, but I just don't think Orakpo is a linebacker. I think that someday, after Daniels retires and Carter somehow moves on, our DEs should be Jarmon and Orakpo. I can understand, I guess, why Orkapo's playing LB right now, but he gets torched quite a bit (understandable since it's a new position for him), and any play in which he doesn't have two hands down is just taking away from his primary talent, which is rushing the passer, if you ask me. Considering how desparate the Skins have been for a legit rusher since, oh, the days of Manley and Mann (with apologies to Bruce Smith and a couple of others over the years), I not sure I really want to see Orakpo out in coverage anymore.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

C'maaaaaaaaaaon, p1. You know the teams that you judge Deion's greatness was with the Falcons, 49ers, and F Cowboys.

People can make the argument that the other CB was sorry, but the QBs still did not throw to his side of the field.

And it was that way for most of his career.

Deion was what, 32 when he signed here? I probably could have beaten him at that point in his career.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Russell Okung or Trent Williams. I'm playing devil's advocate here. How do these two compare to other recent 1st round OL? Are they going to be good or great OL? I saw Okung against A&M. He completely got burned on a speed rush by Von Miller who caused a sack fumble. Now no one wins all battles, but I'd like some way to project how they will be in the NFL.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

___________

Every thing I've read from draft experts so far have both of them going in the top 10, and say they are elite prospects. I haven't seen them play much myself.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 16, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

What does SJK mean?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 16, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

BMW to the right guard spot.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/ol.html

Keep in mind that most of these guys will be signed.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Before we move BMW, let's see how he holds up over the next 4 games.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints (26)
Marcus McNeill, San Diego Chargers (25)
Daryn Colledge, Green Bay Packers (27)
Jared Gaither, Baltimore Ravens (23) RF
Chad Clifton, Green Bay Packers (33)
Mike Gandy, Arizona Cardinals (30)
Kevin Mawae, Tennessee Titans (38)
Eugene Amano, Tennessee Titans (27)
David Baas, San Francisco 49ers (27)
Khalif Barnes, Oakland Raiders (27)
Alex Barron, St. Louis Rams (26)
Jeromey Clary, San Diego Chargers (25) – Restricted FA
Ryan Cook, Minnesota Vikings (26)
Rex Hadnot, Cleveland Browns (27)
Ben Hamilton, Denver Broncos (32)
Justin Hartwig, Pittsburgh Steelers (30)
Richie Incognito, St. Louis Rams (26)
Jon Jansen, Washington Redskins (33)
Charlie Johnson, Indianapolis Colts (25)
Nick Kaczur, New England Patriots (30)
Chris Kuper, Denver Broncos (26)
Deuce Lutui, Arizona Cardinals (26)
Stephen Neal, New England Patriots (32)
Rudy Niswanger, Kansas City Chiefs (26)
Donald Penn, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (26)
Chester Pitts, Houston Texans (30)
Chris Spencer, Seattle Seahawks (27)
Jason Spitz, Green Bay Packers (26)
Adam Terry, Baltimore Ravens (27)
Jeremy Trueblood, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (26)
Bobbie Williams, Cincinnati Bengals (32)
Marshal Yanda, Baltimore Ravens (24)

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The 'skins need to sign at least two of these guys.

My two choices would probably be Adam Terry and Marcus McNeil.

Ryan Cook, Rex Hadnot, and Richie Incognito aren't bad choices either.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

of that free agent OL list, I'd sign, Mawae, and Jansen to long term deals.....

seriously, no one over 26, the top 2 guys, Evans and Mcneil...I'd prefer no on under 320 as well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Jacks Kids SJK

You use it in place of profanity

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 16, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Jack's Kids (SJK)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | October 16, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

C'maaaaaaaaaaon, p1. You know the teams that you judge Deion's greatness was with the Falcons, 49ers, and F Cowboys.

People can make the argument that the other CB was sorry, but the QBs still did not throw to his side of the field.

And it was that way for most of his career.

Deion was what, 32 when he signed here? I probably could have beaten him at that point in his career.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse


I know. I was being slightly sarcastic with my Redskins reference.

Who do we have to thank for those Deion years here anyways...oh, yeah...

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SmallPen15 | October 16, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"I probably could have beaten him at that point in his career"

if you weren't such a bamafied bama, maybe this would have been true....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The seahawk game last year or the second eagles game, hall got burned 2 or 3 times. but the WR didnt make the catch. One was for a TD. I think it was the ealges game. Not sure if he was "taking risks" when he got burned, but he got torched! I know, you cant argue with this definitive evidence! Its thoroughly researchded!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 16, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse


Yes...thoroughly researched.

So what game were we talking about here?

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Vic1, that was AWESOME. Rolling blackouts in the DC area this Sunday!

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/sports/Blackout-for-the-Skins-64371452.html

Posted by: nganassim | October 16, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Jacks Kids SJK

You use it in place of profanity

Posted by: CheyenneWY


Man, f that sh**, dude.

Real men curse. Besides, you can't post it on here no how.

Yep real shameful sh**, posting "b!tch" as such. Besides I think no one under 13 reads this blog.

Beaner: maulers dude, maulers.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Jacks Kids SJK

You use it in place of profanity
Posted by: CheyenneWY

Sorry Jack's Kids (SJK)
Posted by: _Stumped

Thanks...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 16, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

and we are screwed...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/16/samuels-season-may-be-done/

Posted by: SmallPen15 | October 16, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse


We were screwed before we started the season on this point.

Anyone thinking that Samuels was going to hold up for a full year, is probably also delusional enough to believe that someone like Mike Williams deserves to be on an NFL roster...

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, Jason, Dan:
Do everyone a favor and get AMTTS on the air...give him a regular segment until this team get's it SJK together.

Never underestimate the healing power of humor.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | October 16, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Russell Okung or Trent Williams. I'm playing devil's advocate here. How do these two compare to other recent 1st round OL? Are they going to be good or great OL? I saw Okung against A&M. He completely got burned on a speed rush by Von Miller who caused a sack fumble. Now no one wins all battles, but I'd like some way to project how they will be in the NFL.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse


Okung's scouting reports are pretty good. He is compared to Joe Thomas and projected to be a pro bowler and worthy of the #1 overall pick.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010rokung.php

http://www.nflhouse.com/rankings/static/okung-report.html

Trent Williams isn't getting the same love. I guess he's not as good but he's still close to the top 10.

Bryan Bulaga is getting a lot of praise too but I guess he isn't the best run blocker. He's a little riskier but he could end up being the best in the class if he comes out.

The problem with the free agent linemen are that most of them will probably resign.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

LT- Russell Okung (1st Round)
LG- Derrick Dockery
C - Casey Rabach
RG- Mike Williams
RT- Alex Barron (FA Rams)

I don't think you can rebuild a line in one year. I'd start from the outside and then move in. Draft Okung in the first round, see if you can pick up a younger guy like Barron in free agency. If Samuels happens to stick around, move him to RT for a year and put the resources you'd spend looking for a RT on RG instead. Then use the 2011 first or second round pick on a RT. That would be my plan.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 16, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

yeah, red, bigger the better, we need to get up there with some of the bigger OL's in the league...maulers, and brawlers, all guys 320 and up across the line, sign 2 OL of that list, draft a LT, with the #1, and draft a RB with the 2nd....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Whatever Beans, I'm freakin' fast!

All about stride... wingspan is the same as my height, so you know my stride is off the chizzle.

No go make me some clam chowdah, you tea party throwing bama!

p1, it starts at the top, but the sh** rolls down hill. That is why they all suck.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

lol.. I know he did, but I never saw Deion Sanders get beat.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

That is funny....I never saw Deion come up and make a tackle either....with his punk azz...

Posted by: ksquare | October 16, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

We were screwed before we started the season on this point.

Anyone thinking that Samuels was going to hold up for a full year, is probably also delusional enough to believe that someone like Mike Williams deserves to be on an NFL roster...

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I disagree.

Posted by: SmallPen15 | October 16, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Anyone thinking that Samuels was going to hold up for a full year, is probably also delusional enough to believe that someone like Mike Williams deserves to be on an NFL roster...

Posted by: p1funk


Or that Jason Campbell can be an elite QB.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"wingspan is the same as my height"

now I know you're a bama, 4th said you were 5'6 on a good day, with lifts in your shoes.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Okung's scouting reports are pretty good. He is compared to Joe Thomas and projected to be a pro bowler and worthy of the #1 overall pick.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010rokung.php

http://www.nflhouse.com/rankings/static/okung-report.html

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 4:07 PM

The stat I liked the most was the 34 straight starts.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

ksquare, I don't think Deion was paid to be some sort of Dick Butkus tackling dude.

He was paid to take away an entire side of the field.

And that's what he did.

And returned punts & picks for six.

You can't hate him for how he carried here in Washington. They knew what they were getting before he showed up in his burgundy suit.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you can rebuild a line in one year. I'd start from the outside and then move in. Draft Okung in the first round, see if you can pick up a younger guy like Barron in free agency. If Samuels happens to stick around, move him to RT for a year and put the resources you'd spend looking for a RT on RG instead. Then use the 2011 first or second round pick on a RT. That would be my plan.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 16, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse


That guy from Texas Adam Ulatoski is projected as a second rounder. I'd take him in a heart beat.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Or that Jason Campbell can be an elite QB.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Or that Randle El can return a punt.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"4th said..."

Who cares what the BOB has to say?

His word is as bond as hinges on a project patio door.

Tuh, "4th said".

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Or that Randle El can return a punt.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17


Or that Stephon Heyer is a starting NFL tackle.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Its that time of year again where I pick six charities doe donate some funds.

I do three that are serious and three because they make me laugh.

Any suggestions on worthy causes?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 16, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happens with the line, I hope Zorn's plan does not include using Cooley as an extra line man for the entire game.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 16, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

That guy from Texas Adam Ulatoski is projected as a second rounder. I'd take him in a heart beat.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

_________

Wouldn't mind that. I'm tempering my expectations though, because I don't trust this front office to draft multiple offensive linemen on the first day of the draft. Especially with the way they went after Cutler and Sanchez. My gut at this point is hoping they'll go LT round one, but think they'll also draft a QB in the 2nd. OR possibly the other way around.

I could easily see them drafting either Jevan Snead or Colt McCoy in the 2nd if they slide that far.


Posted by: dfbovey | October 16, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Let me speak to the upside for this team for a moment.

The defense hasn't played to its capability. Its playing well, but it can be significantly better. Especially if Orakpo develops and Tryon plays well as a 3rd DB.

If the defense plays up to its ability, we're competitive in most every game.

The special teams have been adequate. One huge muckup last week and 1 long KO return. We did score a TD on teams and have missed just 1 kick. We're holding our own on teams.

Which leaves the offense. Campbell is about middle of the league in QB rating. Cooley, Moss and ARE have all shown they can contribute significantly. Our run game looks weak, but a good part of that is our OL.

Its really about the OL. Can we make it adequate? Well, YES. There are guys out there.

Would I take Heyer and Runyan at T, Dock and Kendall at G and Rabach at C? Yes!!! World beater? No. Good enough for Campbell to find his receivers? Yes!! Good enough to open a few more holes for the RBs? Yes!!

Good enough to have fewer sacks and more points? Yes!!!

Thing is, if the front office wants this team to be better, they can make that happen.

But they haven't. Why? I can't explain it any other way except this:

The front office has QUIT on this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 16, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't mind that. I'm tempering my expectations though, because I don't trust this front office to draft multiple offensive linemen on the first day of the draft. Especially with the way they went after Cutler and Sanchez. My gut at this point is hoping they'll go LT round one, but think they'll also draft a QB in the 2nd. OR possibly the other way around.

I could easily see them drafting either Jevan Snead or Colt McCoy in the 2nd if they slide that far.


Posted by: dfbovey | October 16, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Haha, I've been saying all week we're taking Tebow in the first round.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 16, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

chey, anything that involved animals, any type of no-kill animal shelter or regular animal shelter is a good start....or you could do the 'beantown-greg's bass boat fund' which is also a good start...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 16, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

And returned punts & picks for six.

You can't hate him for how he carried here in Washington. They knew what they were getting before he showed up in his burgundy suit.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Returned punts & picks for 6? I only remember him getting tackled on the 5 yard line after a punt return on a Monday night game? Almost, but not all the way.

No doubt, the only reason they signed him was P.R. His skills and speed were clearly diminished by the time he got here, and

I'd like to think someone in the FO knew this, but since the same goof troop is there, prolly not.

Posted by: ksquare | October 16, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 16, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

p1, it starts at the top, but the sh** rolls down hill. That is why they all suck.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 16, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm nodding my head...

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

What ever happened to Bridges?

Posted by: swalker5 | October 16, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

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