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Randy Thomas Unfazed by Health Concerns

I was answering my e-mail while watching Todd Collins complete a nice ball to Malcolm Kelly at Redskins Park, and I noticed something as I scrolled down my BlackBerry: Many of you are really worried about Randy Thomas.

I stopped counting the e-mails I've received about Thomas's physical condition, but suffice it to say, there have been a lot of 'em. Thomas, who had offseason knee surgery, has been slowed in camp because of lingering knee soreness. He also had vertebrae surgery.

The 10-year veteran participated fully in practice today and hopes to play in the Redskins' preseason opener Thursday against the Ravens at M&T Bank Stadium. The team, however, has proceeded cautiously with Thomas, 33, and its approach is not expected to change for this week's game, Coach Jim Zorn said.

"Well, I don't know if I want to ... I'm not sure yet," Zorn said. "He's going to want to play, even if it's for a couple of series. I'm not 100 percent sure I want to put him out there yet, and just give him an opportunity to come back that next week [against the Steelers at FedEx Field]. As the season gears up, we need to have him fully ready. I don't want to have setbacks."

Line coach Joe Bugel has been surprisingly candid in repeatedly expressing his "concern" about Thomas's knee soreness. And many in the organization do not expect Thomas to play a full season. Scenarios on how to best manage Thomas have been considered in an effort to get the most out of him, including having second-year guard Chad Rinehart start on the right side and bringing Thomas off the bench while limiting his reps during games.

To be clear, that's not Thomas's plan.

"I've been having concerns with my body four or five years. That never stopped me to play a game," Thomas said. "I love the concerns. That just pushes me to prove it wrong. If that keeps a little doubt in people's heads, it just makes me look better when I'm out there."

Thomas suffered a triceps injury early in the 2007 season that required surgery, but he delayed having the procedure in hopes of helping the team. He returned late in the year against the Bears but was placed on the season-ending injured reserve the following week. He started every game in the 2006 season after breaking his leg at the end of the 2005 season.

Thomas is widely respected in the locker room for his selfless approach and commitment to his teammates, and "everybody knows Randy is going to do everything he can to be out there with us," Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels said. "You know he's going to give everything he has."

Thomas's effectiveness in stretch running plays helped Clinton Portis rush for a franchise record 1,516 yards in 2005. Last season, the Skins didn't rely on Thomas as much on stretch plays.

"The thing is with this injury stuff it's more mental," he said. "Some guys will continue to struggle with it. Any obstacle, I'm always trying to overcome whatever it is. They have confidence in me. I wouldn't be here if they didn't. And guys look up to me. I've got to be there when it's time."

Some Insider readers have strongly suggested in e-mails to me that the Skins messed up in not releasing Thomas before the season and pursuing a top-tier offensive lineman in free agency. The reality is the Skins could not have released Thomas because doing so would have been a $9.5 million cap hit, a league source told me. Obviously, if the NFL has an uncapped year in 2010 there would be no cap hit for releasing Thomas. If the same language exists in the collective bargaining agreement next season, the Skins would face a $6.2 million hit.

Owner Daniel Snyder finally accepted that longtime right tackle Jon Jansen could no longer pass protect adequately and released him in May, incurring a cap hit of a little more than $6 million. The Skins preferred not to absorb two major cap blows, and
Thomas, even at less than full strength and playing fewer than 16 games might still be the team's best option at the position. Coaches and team executives have expressed optimism about Rinehart, but he has never played in regular season game. Maybe he'll be great, but you just don't know now.

Of course, one could argue the Skins would not have been in this position if they had done a better job of addressing the offensive line several years ago instead of simply restructuring contracts for a Super Bowl run that never has occurred in Snyder's tenure. But I digress.

Snyder and Vinny Cerrato gave the defensive line a new look in bringing in free agent Albert Haynesworth and drafting impressive rookie Brian Orakpo. I fully expect them to take a similar approach with the offensive line next season. But by then, it may be too late for quarterback Jason Campbell and Zorn.

Thomas plans to do what he can this season.

"I'll never be 100 percent the rest of my life," he said. "But put it this way, 'When it's time to be out, I'll be there.' "

By Jason Reid  |  August 10, 2009; 12:37 PM ET
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Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

a quick take on JLa's list ... yeah, I'm just getting up here ...

No Jerry Rice? All time TD leader, etc etc etc etc

Ummmmm ....

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse


That's true.

Jerry Rice is pretty much the Jim Brown of wide receivers.

No one will ever sniff Rice's career/all-time records.

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4388836

Two more eagles are hurt, Kolb and trent cole left practice today.


I guess there theme for the year will be " Drop down and get you Eagle on"

Posted by: GreatOne1 | August 10, 2009 12:38 PM

Posted by: GreatOne1 | August 10, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Randy may be unfazed by his health concerns, but I don't think JC is...

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"... He also had vertebrae surgery ..."

Malcolm Kelly is STILL recovering from micro-surgery. But I guess its not like an offensive lineman needs a vertebrae that much.

Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Any other team would've cut Randy Thomas two seasons ago when his breakdown was just more than obvious.

But in DC, he's valuable.

DC must stand for, "Dumb Cerrato".

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 10, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

any news about how dockery is performing so far?

Posted by: lalk | August 10, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

still waiting for Robert Henson sightings ... my other longshot pick to 'blossom' this year. Of course, its not good news for Heson that my other pick was Roydell ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Mayor, please do not buy into the whole O Line snow job that's going on at Redskin Park.

They've been serving this slop for the last week after all the 'MWil at weight' baloney wore off.

Every excuse they provide for this line just makes me cringe all the worse.

I'm still at 10-6, though.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 10, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

If Randy Thomas wasn't being relied on to start and play full reps at 16 games a season, he'd still be valuable to the Redskins.

Unfortunately, that is the scenario Cerrato has forced upon Thomas. Of course, to Cerrato, offensive linemen are "overvalued" at the draft. It's not unreasonable to think he believes offensive lineman are also "overvalued" on the football field as well.

Posted by: psps23 | August 10, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Randy Thomas is saying all the right things a pro and warrior will say,"I'll give 100%", "I'll use my health and people's doubts as motivation", "when it's time to be out there, I'll be out there",etc.etc.,... what else is he going to say?

This is just my opinion, but this looks like an exact repeat of Jon Jansens situation last year. Age and injuries have caught up with a true pro, and as usual they're the last to see it or want to admit it.

I still hope the guy can get on the field and help the team this year, but the writing is on the wall. Randy Thomas won't be a Redskin next year.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 10, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Sign Vick!

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"I'm still at 10-6, though."

I'm not.

The o-line is NOT better then last year and they are even OLDER. They did nothing at all to improve the offense.

They will have a better defense.

Same record as last year, no playoffs, and lots of yelling for Cerrato's head once again.

This could all change if they make a move or two before the seasons starts. Thing is, I hope they don't panic like they did last year and give up a 3rd round pick for some washed up o-lineman.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 10, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Of course, to Cerrato, offensive linemen are "overvalued" at the draft. It's not unreasonable to think he believes offensive lineman are also "overvalued" on the football field as well.

Posted by: psps23

and that's an understatement!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 10, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Offensive lineman will be the focus of the Redskins 2010 draft, they're not going to have any choice.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 10, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

One question I have is why didnt we take Duke Robinson, the guard from Oklahoma in the fifth round? He was projected as an early second rounder and kept slipping.. Obviously there had to be some type of issue with him to slip that far but why take 2 linebackers in the late rounds and not take a Guard like Duke when Randy Thomas is coming off VERTEBRAE and KNEE surgery? That is some serious stuff. At least you would have had an extra body out there.

Posted by: jeffco01 | August 10, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Skins OL picks from 2000-2009

C Jeff Frau #230 overall
G D Dockery #81
G Keli Lefotu #230
T Chad Rinehart #96
T Jim Molinaro #180
T Reggie Coleman #192

56 picks total, 6 OL.
2 in rd 3,
2 in rd 6,
2 in rd 7

I guess there haven't been many good lineman in the last decade ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

My sentiments exactly jeffc, here you have a man coming off career threatining vertabrae surgery, and major knee surgery at 33 years of age, with a prior history of injury and dumb(Snyder) and dumber(Cerrato) focus on a top five defense.

Two intelligent fellows aren't they?

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 10, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

a quick take on JLa's list ... yeah, I'm just getting up here ...

No Jerry Rice? All time TD leader, etc etc etc etc

Ummmmm ....

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse


That's true.

Jerry Rice is pretty much the Jim Brown of wide receivers.

No one will ever sniff Rice's career/all-time records.

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Rice was not on the list because he's not in the HOF yet. Wait a year.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 10, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"Some Insider readers have strongly suggested in e-mails to me that the Skins messed up in not releasing Thomas before the season and pursuing a top-tier offensive lineman in free agency.

By JReid
"

Wow....Just wow....

Snyder is damned if he do or don't. RThomas was a top-tiered OLineman we picked up. Ofcourse, he will have a high cap # that will prevent you from cutting him.

I really want this season to start so the haters can stop it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 10, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I like how this year Cerrato said there simply weren't any linemen worthy of picking in the draft; but the previous year we reached in the 3rd round to grab Rhinehart who most others had going in the 4th-5th round.

Ugh.

I suppose my frustration is rooted in the assumption that Cerrato functions on the basis of logical rational thinking...once I discard that assumption, I find myself less disappointed with his picks...

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Rice was not on the list because he's not in the HOF yet. Wait a year.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 10, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

gotcha...

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm I feel if we had one more quality tackle we could move a current tackle to the interior. What about Levi Jon...nevermind...it's not going to happen

Posted by: OdinUSMC | August 10, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

moe congrats on the sweep, you guys are playing great ball right now....

I'm not a facebook guy either, I just don't get it....

"I'll never be 100 percent the rest of my life,"...spoken like a true warrior....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 10, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

a quick take on JLa's list ... yeah, I'm just getting up here ...

No Jerry Rice? All time TD leader, etc etc etc etc

Ummmmm ....

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse


That's true.

Jerry Rice is pretty much the Jim Brown of wide receivers.

No one will ever sniff Rice's career/all-time records.

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Can you Spell "T.O"

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Any other team would've cut Randy Thomas two seasons ago when his breakdown was just more than obvious.

.............

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 10, 2009 12:56 PM

2 seasons ago he was a top NFC RG. He started getting injured during the seaosn vs. before theseason. And I doubt any team would release a healty (at the time) 31 year old all pro....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 10, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"Randy Thomas Unfazed by Health Concerns"

I think its just an unfaze he's going thorugh.

Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

any news about how dockery is performing so far?

Posted by: lalk | August 10, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I'd say in his case no news is good news. I'd like to hear more about how the left side of the line led a long run or how the stuffed someone, but yea, nothing. Except how Orakpo keeps beating Samuels.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Houston: The Truth wants to know when Colt Brennan will start.

Cindy Boren: Hey, Truth. Nice to see you and the bloggang up here, chatting your guts out. When will Colt "Cult of" Brennan start??? You really want an answer, don't you? When Jason Campbell's arms and legs all fall off and Todd "Toddball" Collins is off doing "Dancing with the Stars." Or maybe he'll start Jan. 3 in San Diego, when everyone is resting up for a playoff game. We'll have a clearer idea of what Brennan can do after the preseason games, but I'd say that starting in the NFL is a long way off.

I'm so bad.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 10, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Man, I feel like a broken record: the team needs to get some more help on the offensive line. Signing a bona fide starting right tackle would allow Bridges to play guard ahead of Thomas and ease more than a little depth concern. Team officials continue to say the offensive line is not a worry and they have no interest in signing someone. I am very concerned by these statements. The degree of improvement need by the guys they currently have is huge. Bugel is good, but he is not that good. The right side of this offensive line will struggle this season. Zorn needs to go against his nature and revise his west coast offense to compensate, or else it will be a long season with Zorn hitting a long unemployment line at the end of it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 10, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"56 picks total, 6 OL.
2 in rd 3,
2 in rd 6,
2 in rd 7
I guess there haven't been many good lineman in the last decade ...
Posted by: zcezcest1"

Didn't you forget Mookie Moore (2000, round 4) and Mark Wilson (2004, round 5)?

There was a guy on the Wizards blog last season who decided very early in the season that the young players weren't getting enough playing time. He repeated that same message after every game through the rest of the season -- probably sixty times in totum. Maybe he thought the coach was reading the blog and would be persuaded.

Funny thing is, this was a smart guy with a lot of good ideas, if he could ever get passed that resentment. But I guess it's harder than it looks.

Like the accountants say when the revenue projections turn to marshmallow: At the end of the day, going forward, it is what it is.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 10, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Kinda sort of don't get the Cerrato bashing.

I thought it was known that Cerrato is a yes/front man for who's really running the entire show -- Daniel M. (Please don't forget the 'M') Snyder.

I mean, hate and blame who you feel, but Cerrato is just a puppet. I'm not that pissed at him, he's doing what he's told.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 10, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"Man, I feel like a broken record..." Posted by: RedSkinHead"

There's a reason for that feeling.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 10, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Skins OL picks from 2000-2009

C Jeff Frau #230 overall
G D Dockery #81
G Keli Lefotu #230
T Chad Rinehart #96
T Jim Molinaro #180
T Reggie Coleman #192

56 picks total, 6 OL.
2 in rd 3,
2 in rd 6,
2 in rd 7

I guess there haven't been many good lineman in the last decade ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 1:21 PM |

The Skins signed Samuels in 2000. 10 times PB LT. Turkey ponzoid! Knifage! Knifage! Knifage!

Posted by: BlackBagOps | August 10, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

There are no pro bowl caliber offensive lineman hanging around for us to sign, nor are there teams willing to unload them on the cheap. Get that through your heads. This is the o-line we will have for the year and anyone we add will be at best a career back up. Understood? Now stop talking asinine Madden trade talk.

Posted by: lavararrington | August 10, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow....Just wow....

Snyder is damned if he do or don't. RThomas was a top-tiered OLineman we picked up. Ofcourse, he will have a high cap # that will prevent you from cutting him.

I really want this season to start so the haters can stop it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 10, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I agree. We can talk about it allday and night. To be honest, do we know if Rinehart can't do it, and there is someone behind him as well. They could also go get Kendall, so long as Guards don't start falling down during this preseason. But I agree let the games begin, I feel real good about the Skins chances this year. I just don't see how the other teams in our division are actually better not on paper or in real time. Its about matchups and we matchup well against anyteam in the league. If the skins can handle the NFC East they can do it all.

I heard it from Jason Campbells mouth today "I will let it Rip this season, I have to" Cooley even told him he needs to grow a pair and do the damn thing. This season should be fun to watch, I can't wait.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-Mookie.... ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-malcolm.... ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-martin

"and the beat goes on, and the beat goes on..."

Posted by: RedDMV | August 10, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

One question I have is why didnt we take Duke Robinson, the guard from Oklahoma in the fifth round? ...

Posted by: jeffco01 | August 10, 2009 1:19 PM

I've been wondering about Duke Robinson's slide for a while myself. In one of the post-draft articles about sliders, there was one unnamed guy who was fabled to have slid from a possible first round guy into the fifth ... and they had quotes from several different personnel guys (including the EVP) around the league about the particular propect's arrogance and immaturity. Those to qualities tend to sound like a wide receiver to me, but it is possible, I guess that it could have been a guard and this guard in particular. The reports in camp (he's in Carolina now) are not glowing. The only reason I'd been following the slider articles was to find a reason why Robinson might have slid so far. Several draft mockery sites had him as the #1 or #2 guard in the draft.

Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Who the hell gives a dam about some list JLC came up with?

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 10, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

There aren't any pro bowl linemen available on the cheap. Besides, do u really see us pulling off a trade for say the Browns' Thomas? I don't. So stop talking Madden video game trades. Any depth we add at the o-line spot at this point will be a career back up. There are things such as the salary cap. No team in their right mind is going to unload a pro bowler. Stop your whining.

Posted by: lavararrington | August 10, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

There aren't any pro bowl linemen available on the cheap. Besides, do u really see us pulling off a trade for say the Browns' Thomas? I don't. So stop talking Madden video game trades. Any depth we add at the o-line spot at this point will be a career back up. There are things such as the salary cap. No team in their right mind is going to unload a pro bowler. Stop your whining.

Posted by: lavararrington | August 10, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

obviously we are going to have to piece meal an o-line together...

but shouldnt we bringing in additional viable pieces to piece meal this thing together? bring runyan, kendal and that other guy (at prices that make sense) to battle it out with the rest of them and keep the best players.

seems like common sense to me...

Posted by: deadskin | August 10, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't really understand the Cerrato complaints either. It is not his fault the Gibbs tenure didn't draft O-linemen. And lets be honest here, Synder would have drafted anyone Gibbs wanted - Gibbs just had to make the call.

Last years draft was a little retarded but if 2 out of the 3 "pass catchers" contribute then that isn't so bad either.

Next offseason we are gonna get the best O-linemen available... watch it happen. And then there will be something else to complain about haha...I am confident though that Snyder will do whatever it takes to get the best oline possible because he really isn't INTENTIONALLY trying to be mediocre. We did get one linemen this offseason and drafted one last year... these things take time. Lets just hope for the best...


HAIL

Posted by: Rashad8o4 | August 10, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Cindy had a fascinating point about Vick ... that there are likely 32 head coaches who want him ... and 32 owners who don't.

Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Why do i have the sneaky suspicion that Randy Thomas doesnt make it thru camp? Either he gets cut or IR'd....call it a hunch.

Posted by: Redskins2Win | August 10, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

No matter how many times people write that Jon Runyan is not physically able to play, other people choose to ignore it....

From the Times:

Devin Thomas has been sidelined during the past week with a hamstring just as he was for more than two weeks during his rookie summer of 2008.

However, the starting receiver hopeful punished himself by running sprints for half an hour afterwards in the sizzling and humid weather on the Astroturf field which makes things even hotter.

"Until I can get back, this makes up for it," Thomas said. "You gotta get used to it because game day you can't complain about the heat. I'm able to run pretty good. I just gotta get to a point where I can come and out of my breaks without it being a problem."

Undeniable difference in DThomas from last year to this year....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 10, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

That's true.

Jerry Rice is pretty much the Jim Brown of wide receivers.

No one will ever sniff Rice's career/all-time records.

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Can you Spell "T.O"

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse


No, I can't.

He is 35 years old and needs about 60TDs, 8000 receiving yards and 600 catches to surpass those 3 records that J.Rice holds. (all time TDs, all-time rec yards, all-time receptions)

And if you haven't noticed, TO is playing with Trent Edwards.

So if you think TO is going to average 20 TDs, 2600 receiving yards and 200 catches a year when he's 36, 37, and 38; then you need to learn how to spell "M-O-R-O-N".

The only guy who may have had a chance to catch a whiff of Rice was Randy Moss, but a couple ineffective years with Vikings and Raiders derailed that effort.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_records_held_by_Jerry_Rice


Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

JReid surely smells a lot like JLaCanfora. No team will be perfectly balanced. If the OLine had adequate depth and was injury-free, we'd be complaining about the D-line or secondary or whatever. The point is to mitigate weaknesses each season. The Skins had more pressing needs in years past that cannot be ignored. Next year, we will need a QB and/or RB along with OL.

Posted by: tramellcanady | August 10, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I heard it from Jason Campbells mouth today "I will let it Rip this season, I have to" Cooley even told him he needs to grow a pair and do the damn thing. This season should be fun to watch, I can't wait.


Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse
Even if he doubles his INT numbers this year I want to see him really chuck it. He has a strong arm, use it. A 10 year old can throw a ball 7 yards, put it in the air Jason.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 10, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Offensive lineman will be the focus of the Redskins 2010 draft, they're not going to have any choice.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 10, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I am tempted to say "thank you, Cpt. Obvious"...but sadly, this doesn't seem so obvious to our FO. Woe that is us

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 10, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows we will draft a safety in the first round next year, maybe a corner.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 10, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

... If the OLine had adequate depth and was injury-free, we'd be complaining about the D-line or secondary or whatever. ...

Posted by: tramellcanady | August 10, 2009 1:56 PM

After the O-line, the complaint sequence moves next to LB, then to RB. Stay nimble. Stay medium.

Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Not unless Vinny (I don't believe in wasting high picks on the o-Line) Cerrato is still gm.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 10, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

QB, if things go as bad as they can.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 10, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I am starting to see the New Jason is a hater as well. He never writes the positive piece. It is always the glass is half empty with the Redskins. I will give him props if he can up the glass a little bit. I think he can report better. He is always taking the side to diss the Skins like the Last Jason. I like his stuff but in training camp give me little more positive and tell me who is fighting for jobs. Give the pros and the cons. He goes right to the cons. I hope Jason reads this and can really take this insight cause the paper business is not like it use to be so write a good blog and you will have a following. He is good but sees the Skins with the GLASS half empty. THE Jason Haters

Posted by: tjzukoski | August 10, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Why do i have the sneaky suspicion that Randy Thomas doesnt make it thru camp? Either he gets cut or IR'd....call it a hunch.

Posted by: Redskins2Win | August 10, 2009 1:51 PM

Because you didn't read the post up above. We can't cut Thomas because it would be a $9 million cap hit. We don't have $9 million cap room to cut him.

IR is possible, but it would take a major injury. If there's a chance he makes it back, we can't find anyone better.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 10, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

True these things take time but for the past two years we have been saying the same thing. You are supposed to have someones eventual replacement waiting in the wings, we have never had that ( in the Danny era) on the Ol. We continue to have mediocre drafts aside from our usual top 15 pick and you have to really suck to ruin a pick like that. Until the Snyder Cerrato tandem is broken up we will continue to have these discussions. Look at our roster now, who do we have with the potential to eventually replace an aging starter? Maybe Moore, Barnes or Tyron and they are on the wrong side of the ball.

Posted by: murphyz | August 10, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Cindy had a fascinating point about Vick ... that there are likely 32 head coaches who want him ... and 32 owners who don't.

Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 1:51 PM

Tony Dungy made the same point last night on Monday Night Football, although he wasn't as specific as Cindy about the number.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 10, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows we will draft a safety in the first round next year, maybe a corner.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 10, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Beg to differ. Next year's draft will look like this:

Defensive End
Wide Receiver
Tight End
Special-Teams-Caliber linebacker
Quarterback

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Is R.C. Theillman still active?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 10, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Bengals released Kenny Watson. Do you remember him? He was Marcus Mason before Marcus Mason got the job.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 10, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Cindy had a fascinating point about Vick ... that there are likely 32 head coaches who want him ... and 32 owners who don't.

Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 1:51 PM


Interestingly enough, I bet it is the opposite here in Washington - an owner that wants Vick and a head coach who doesn't.

P.S. Sign Vick!

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Is R.C. Theillman still active?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 10, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse


I don't know, but we should inquire about Shar Pourdanesh.

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

A safety? A corner? Nah, the 'skins are going to draft a WR, and give Randle El as their reason for doing so.

Oh and, Jerry Rice is the second coming of HIM. Speaking of that I don't get it... Since he was born, then died, then came back again, wouldn't the next time around actually be the third coming?

Posted by: RedDMV | August 10, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

... If the OLine had adequate depth and was injury-free, we'd be complaining about the D-line or secondary or whatever. ...

Posted by: tramellcanady | August 10, 2009 1:56 PM

After the O-line, the complaint sequence moves next to LB, then to RB. Stay nimble. Stay medium.

Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

How do you stay medium when all you draft is WR's and LB's? Oh no, wait we did squander..errr, expend...a 2nd round pick on a TIGHT F---ING END when we only have a Pro Bowler at the position.

Sorry, that wasn't me staying medium. Practice what you preach and such as.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 10, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | August 10, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

That's true.

Jerry Rice is pretty much the Jim Brown of wide receivers.

No one will ever sniff Rice's career/all-time records.

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Can you Spell "T.O"

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse


No, I can't.

He is 35 years old and needs about 60TDs, 8000 receiving yards and 600 catches to surpass those 3 records that J.Rice holds. (all time TDs, all-time rec yards, all-time receptions)

And if you haven't noticed, TO is playing with Trent Edwards.

So if you think TO is going to average 20 TDs, 2600 receiving yards and 200 catches a year when he's 36, 37, and 38; then you need to learn how to spell "M-O-R-O-N".

The only guy who may have had a chance to catch a whiff of Rice was Randy Moss, but a couple ineffective years with Vikings and Raiders derailed that effort.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_records_held_by_Jerry_Rice


Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

To be honest, there are plenty of records out there to be broken. Jerry Rice as great as he was played 20 seasons, he ought to be the best. But when you go down the list of records his name is not as frequent as you would think. sure his record will be very hard to catch but if you want to throw out averages, T.O is right there amongst him. I really don't care to go back and forth about it, you made your point, GO SKINS.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

TJ if you read the opening statement he says the majority of emails WE send him are about concerns on the OL. The dude is just giving us what we ask for. Read the archives from the beginimg of OTAs every discussion wether about the OL or not always winds up being about the OL concerns. I didn't mind JLa and I definitely don't mine the Reid. if you don't want to read about it he's got toms of other posts about the other positions.

Posted by: murphyz | August 10, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Lets put it this way Notorius, Ray Charles saw that there should have been an emphasis on the oline in this years draft,
it will be even obvious to dumb(snyder)and dumber(cerrato)that they will have to focus on the oline in next years draft.

I think.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 10, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

te, categorically incorrect, Ken Watson is actually productive, and has produced stats, or a stat at the NFL level...something Mason has yet to do.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 10, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Man, did the weather people do a good job of hyping up today as being hell on earth. I don't know about the rest of you all, but it isn't that hot outside. I wouldn't post up out there by any means, but it isn't all what the weather people were building it up to be.

... Mason persuasion... get some.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 10, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

yeah, that's really a big difference between Texans and residents of the DMV. Down here, everyone will get their marching orders and move like lemmings in one direction (i.e. Cowboys facebook page)Up in the DMV, folks will want to find the special vegetarian, right wing, atheist Facebook site for the Redskins, so that they can represent based on their special individual needs...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 10, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

That was funny

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 10, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"56 picks total, 6 OL.
2 in rd 3,
2 in rd 6,
2 in rd 7
I guess there haven't been many good lineman in the last decade ...
Posted by: zcezcest1"

Didn't you forget Mookie Moore (2000, round 4) and Mark Wilson (2004, round 5)?


Posted by: Samson151

My bad. I sorted from 2001 on, not 2000. Mark Wilson was listed as a TE.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Is R.C. Theillman still active?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 10, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse


I don't know, but we should inquire about Shar Pourdanesh.

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Why'd you have to go there? I just wet myself and am now curled up in the corner sucking my thumb

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 10, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Its ok, well just run to our left side 95% of the time, and run a double TE set all the time so Davis can block on the right side as well.

Posted by: Rypien11 | August 10, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

te, categorically incorrect, Ken Watson is actually productive, and has produced stats, or a stat at the NFL level...something Mason has yet to do.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 10, 2009 2:26 PM

Don't know where you're getting this crap from Greg. Don't you ever read this blog? Mason walks on water, flies faster than a speeding bullet, eats kryptonite for breakfast, and turns big and green whenever he feels like it. He's never been stopped on the gridiron. And, if he were pitching for the Sox, you would have swept the Yankees this weekend.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 10, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

To be honest, there are plenty of records out there to be broken. Jerry Rice as great as he was played 20 seasons, he ought to be the best. But when you go down the list of records his name is not as frequent as you would think. sure his record will be very hard to catch but if you want to throw out averages, T.O is right there amongst him. I really don't care to go back and forth about it, you made your point, GO SKINS.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse


We won't go back and forth on it, because Jerry Rice was simply a god playing amongst mortals. Not only the best receiver ever, but very well could be argued as the best football player ever.

Besides, in my original post, I talked about no one being able to sniff Rice's all-time/career records, not season averages.

Go Skins!

P.S. Sign Vick.

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I heard it from Jason Campbells mouth today "I will let it Rip this season, I have to" Cooley even told him he needs to grow a pair and do the damn thing. This season should be fun to watch, I can't wait.


Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse
Even if he doubles his INT numbers this year I want to see him really chuck it. He has a strong arm, use it. A 10 year old can throw a ball 7 yards, put it in the air Jason.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 10, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see him double his Int's, so long as he doubles those TD's. Love your name, I hatem too.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This thread is getting a little stale. Can we get an injury update on today's practice please?

Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I didnt know that Chris Cooley was our back up punter

Posted by: GreatOne1 | August 10, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't know, but we should inquire about Shar Pourdanesh.

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Why'd you have to go there? I just wet myself and am now curled up in the corner sucking my thumb

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 10, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse


"Find a happy place...find a happy place..."

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

OK so who's on the Facebook RI page, and what's your real name? I want to see what you freaks really look like!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 10, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

To be honest, there are plenty of records out there to be broken. Jerry Rice as great as he was played 20 seasons, he ought to be the best. But when you go down the list of records his name is not as frequent as you would think. sure his record will be very hard to catch but if you want to throw out averages, T.O is right there amongst him. I really don't care to go back and forth about it, you made your point, GO SKINS.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan

There are very few positions the 'the best ever' isn't going to create an argument.

Jerry Rice is the best ever. I got to see a lot of him living in the Bay Area. The only guy I would compare him to is Michael Jordan. Rice is in that company, not t.o.'s.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

First offical depth chart

http://www.redskins.com/gen/team/depthChart.jsp

Posted by: TWISI | August 10, 2009 2:21 PM |

SWEET! COOLEY is the #2 punter and #3 kicker!

Agreed about the weather. Its only 90 degrees out there and its not that humid. Today was supposed to be the killer of the week.

Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I posted this on Friday but it was after late and got archived. My opinion on vick as anything but a qb. We don't need or want him.

The idea that Vick be anything but a QB is absurd. The guy is almost 30, to ask him to learn a completely new position dosent make sense and is just desperate. Yes he's an athlete but who in the NFL isnt (besides Ethan Albright)?

Vick as a WR: We have no idea if the guy can even catch, sure he has a leg up on the route running because of his familiarity from playing QB but reading a route and running them are 2 completely different things. Can he take a hit from a slant across the middle? Its the staple of any passing game and playing QB he hasnt taken a hit like that, ever.

Vick as RB: Again I would question his durability, a scrambling QB dosent take the pounding of an every down RB or even a change of pace back. If you watch how he ran as a QB he didnt secure the ball, it was always held with one hand away from his body. Vick would never have rushed for 1,000 yards as a RB, 99% of his yards came from bootlegs or broken plays, teams always had to respect the pass.

Yes, Vick is (or was) an amazing athlete and is still (hopefully) going to impact the game but its pretty hard to teach an old dog new tricks. I believe he is still better than half the starting QBs and should get another shot at being a franchise QB. Just not with the Skins.

Posted by: murphyz | August 10, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Correction: Cooley is not the #3 kicker ... he's the #3 long snapper ... but he IS the #2 punter!

Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

This thread is getting a little stale. Can we get an injury update on today's practice please?

Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 2:32 PM

So...Now is a good time as any to insert my Kate Gosselin obseration for the day....

Breaking News - She still wears wedding ring even though she's banging her own security detail....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 10, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows we will draft a safety in the first round next year, maybe a corner.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 10, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm going with punter

Posted by: steveets | August 10, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

P.S. Sign Vick.

Posted by: p1funk | August 10, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

OK so who's on the Facebook RI page, and what's your real name? I want to see what you freaks really look like!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 10, 2009 2:34 PM

Give me yours 1st, then maybe i'll give you mine....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 10, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I didnt know that Chris Cooley was our back up punter

Posted by: GreatOne1 | August 10, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Neither did I, WTF. Cooley is hilarious, he could probably do it though, albeit not that well, ID bet you. Hes a 3rd string punter, thats hilarious. Hes also the long snapper, too.

Can someone tell me why they put all of this crap out there anyway, this will change so much in 3 weeks its almost not worth reading....

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Dominique Dorsey and Anthony Aldridge are numbers 5/6 on the depth chart behind Marcus Mason.

Most troubling is that, at PR, only Santana is behind ARE and, at KR, only Devin Thomas is behind Rock.

Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

LMG - Just sent a friend's request...

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 10, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

LMG I am Alex Zeese. I think if you go back through the posts people posted their real names along with their Screen Names.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 10, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for throwing this in:

"Of course, one could argue the Skins would not have been in this position if they had done a better job of addressing the offensive line several years ago instead of simply restructuring contracts for a Super Bowl run that never has occurred in Snyder's tenure."

Because otherwise, we all might have forgotten about the FO's complete ineptitude and lack of playoff success the past 10 years. Thankfully we have concerned impartial observers like you to remind us all.

Your new name is Jason 2.0. We have all read this same, tired schtick before. Here's hoping that dream job in LA opens up for you soon so you can go back to pimping your Trojans.

Posted by: McMetal | August 10, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me why they put all of this crap out there anyway, this will change so much in 3 weeks its almost not worth reading....

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 2:41 PM

Because (1) Cooley is probably pals with the website guy and (2) its hilarious.

Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I heard it from Jason Campbells mouth today "I will let it Rip this season, I have to" Cooley even told him he needs to grow a pair and do the damn thing. This season should be fun to watch, I can't wait.


Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse
Even if he doubles his INT numbers this year I want to see him really chuck it. He has a strong arm, use it. A 10 year old can throw a ball 7 yards, put it in the air Jason.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 10, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see him double his Int's, so long as he doubles those TD's. Love your name, I hatem too.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan

The Skins don't have a team where taking gambles makes much sense.

As for Campbell throwing it and throwing it ... a lot depends on your objective. If its to win games, NO. If its to develop Campbell as a QB, YES.

As for letting it rip, Campbell did throw over 500 passes last season, over 1,000 for his career.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

haha nice catch Pfunk1...

-Lloyd Christmas OUT

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 10, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it tooo early to look at depth charts?

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 10, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Lets put it this way Notorius, Ray Charles saw that there should have been an emphasis on the oline in this years draft,
it will be even obvious to dumb(snyder)and dumber(cerrato)that they will have to focus on the oline in next years draft.

I think.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 10, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

God I hope so

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 10, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

got it, 4th thanks!

Alex, just sent you one too

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 10, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

check that, you beat me to it

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 10, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

How do you join the RI facebook page? I tried looking for it but can't find it. Only thing I know how to do on facebook is upload pictures of myself drunk. Anyone got a link?

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 10, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | August 10, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

From Redskins.com:

Redskins Defensive Rankings.....

The Redskins also finished fourth in 2000, 10th in 2001, fifth in 2002, third in 2004, ninth in 2005 and eighth in 2007.

Since 2004, when Blache joined the Redskins as defensive line coach, the Redskins have the NFL’s fourth-ranked defense.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

the real question is, is it too early to look at power rankings?

Posted by: RedDMV | August 10, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Kinda sort of don't get the Cerrato bashing.

I thought it was known that Cerrato is a yes/front man for who's really running the entire show -- Daniel M. (Please don't forget the 'M') Snyder.

I mean, hate and blame who you feel, but Cerrato is just a puppet. I'm not that pissed at him, he's doing what he's told.

Posted by: RedDMV


Yeah, but as Court Jester and adviser to His Highness he needs to point out glaring inadequacies, like the offensive line..If the O-line has a bad outing against the Ravens, signing Vick might be the Theismann thing to do..

Posted by: frak | August 10, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Where is the RI on facebook? I can only find the hamster club

Posted by: murphyz | August 10, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 10, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Alex

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 10, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

The Hamster club is RI, I don't think the Post created a page.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 10, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

After looking over the schedule, I can now predict that the Redskins will win 4 games after going winless in the preseason!

Posted by: Leeguru | August 10, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Some one should have told this dude that the NHL doesn't have any love for hip hop.

I think maybe the only NHL game you can go to and here hip hop in the background is at YOUR Washington Capitals home games.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 10, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Is the Guru back?

Posted by: alex35332 | August 10, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The Skins don't have a team where taking gambles makes much sense.

As for Campbell throwing it and throwing it ... a lot depends on your objective. If its to win games, NO. If its to develop Campbell as a QB, YES.

As for letting it rip, Campbell did throw over 500 passes last season, over 1,000 for his career.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I hear what your saying but come'on... you mean to tell me we are going places throwing 8 yrd passes when we need 10yrds. Skins need to strike, and when I say strike I mean they need to be able to score from anywhere. This what I mean by letting it Rip. They need to have this threat, if they can pose any threat from there passing game, it'll be like 92'

Tell me Mark Rypein wasn't tossing touchdowns like he was trying to make it rain footballs out there. Please let the season begin....

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

*****
The Seattle Seahawks have signed first-round draft choice Aaron Curry to a contract that will guarantee the star linebacker from Wake Forest $34 million, a person familiar with the deal said Saturday night.

The contract is the richest for a rookie non-quarterback in NFL history and has a maximum value of $60 million. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the Seahawks haven't announced the agreement's financial terms.
*****

Geez, I think the guy is going to be great and I wanted us to draft him, but that is some serious $$$ for someone who's never played a NFL down. As I described with Albert -- seems like too many eggs in too few baskets.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Only thing I know how to do on facebook is upload pictures of myself drunk. Anyone got a link?

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 10, 2009 2:51 PM

Not just drunk. Drunk and relieving yourself at the same time!

The real question is, who took the pic? (I'm too afraid of putting stuff up there like that of myself, because my rise in the white-collared world is progressing...)

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 10, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

The Wiki is dead. Long live the facebook page.... lol.

And Vick would be great in one position for us: Punt Returner.

I know that's not going to happen.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 10, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

The Skins don't have a team where taking gambles makes much sense.

As for Campbell throwing it and throwing it ... a lot depends on your objective. If its to win games, NO. If its to develop Campbell as a QB, YES.

As for letting it rip, Campbell did throw over 500 passes last season, over 1,000 for his career.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh and I must say this " It didn't work the other way last year" You must throw it, and its not a gamble its a game, played by professionals but still a game. They get paid cause they play it well, but still a game.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CBT2 | August 10, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

but frak, if he's strictly sticking to the script, and doing what Snyder is telling him to do then it isn't all on him, is it?

but then again, if Snydes was making all the decisions, including personnel decisions, wouldn't he just say so.

who would tell him that he couldn't?

Posted by: RedDMV | August 10, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for throwing this in:

"Of course, one could argue the Skins would not have been in this position if they had done a better job of addressing the offensive line several years ago instead of simply restructuring contracts for a Super Bowl run that never has occurred in Snyder's tenure."

Because otherwise, we all might have forgotten about the FO's complete ineptitude and lack of playoff success the past 10 years. Thankfully we have concerned impartial observers like you to remind us all.

Your new name is Jason 2.0. We have all read this same, tired schtick before. Here's hoping that dream job in LA opens up for you soon so you can go back to pimping your Trojans.

Posted by: McMetal
_______________________

OK McFly, holster your whatnot.

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 10, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"...and when I say strike I mean they need to be able to score from anywhere."

As a younger man, this is what I was taught...

don't mind me, I think half of my building is on va-cay this week. it's really boring.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 10, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Interesting stuff

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=157&topic_id=4056&mesg_id=4092

Posted by: CBT2 | August 10, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Ah those were the days.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 10, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Lets put it this way Notorius, Ray Charles saw that there should have been an emphasis on the oline in this years draft,
it will be even obvious to dumb(snyder)and dumber(cerrato)that they will have to focus on the oline in next years draft.

I think.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 10, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

God I hope so

Posted by: Notorious_LMG
______________________________

Unless of course Snyderatto sees a shiny new QB (or RB, or punter, etc etc) prospect to throw all our top draft picks at, and yells "more duct tape for the O-line"...

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 10, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I hear what your saying but come'on... you mean to tell me we are going places throwing 8 yrd passes when we need 10yrds. Skins need to strike, and when I say strike I mean they need to be able to score from anywhere. This what I mean by letting it Rip. They need to have this threat, if they can pose any threat from there passing game, it'll be like 92'

Tell me Mark Rypein wasn't tossing touchdowns like he was trying to make it rain footballs out there. Please let the season begin....

Posted by: 15600_sknfan

pretty much agree on running 8 yard patterns when you need 10. Makes no sense. Though the play call seems to be the issue there.

As for comparing Campbell to Rypien ... well ... I think Campbell would be Pro Bowl bound if he played behind that line (Lachey, Jacoby, Grimm ...) and was throwing to Monk, Clark and Sanders.

But as for strategy to win games. In 2009, we'll need to win with defense and not lose on offense. Essentially, we're the 2008 Ravens. Except the Ravens had a good OL and so-so talent around it -- the Skins have good talent around a so-so OL.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

We keep hearing rumors from this blog that Zorn's status for hext year is in doubt. Roughly paraphrasing that "only a 10 win/ playoff year will save him".

My question: Is there any hard evidence that Zorn might be on the hot seat? If my memory serves me correct, they wanted to keep Spurrier in 2003 (if for no other reason than publicity), and practically begged Gibbs to stay in 2007!

If there is some relevant gossip (i.e. from Cerrato), then it should be reported as such. But to keep repeating the mantra "he's on the hot seat", is something we would expect from the Snyder haters at ESPN/ Yahoo, et al.

Posted by: squire0101 | August 10, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Not just drunk. Drunk and relieving yourself at the same time!

The real question is, who took the pic? (I'm too afraid of putting stuff up there like that of myself, because my rise in the white-collared world is progressing...)

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 10, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

My girlfriend took that one during a camping trip. I'm a college student so when I have a real job that crap will come down.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 10, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Always amazing what a simple Google search will turn up

Posted by: CBT2 | August 10, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

ya, some of that stuff probably kept me from getting a handful of jobs back in the day.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 10, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The hating on Hootie aka da Mayor aka J Reid continues... good to take a couple of days off and see the stat quo hasn't changed.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 10, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

We keep hearing rumors from this blog that Zorn's status for hext year is in doubt. Roughly paraphrasing that "only a 10 win/ playoff year will save him".

My question: Is there any hard evidence that Zorn might be on the hot seat? If my memory serves me correct, they wanted to keep Spurrier in 2003 (if for no other reason than publicity), and practically begged Gibbs to stay in 2007!

Posted by: squire0101

The owner has the biggest payroll in the league, just signed a player of the year FA to a massive contract. Plus, the owner keeps his HC mostly in the dark on what your QB plans are. Lots of space between those line to read between.

And, of course, there is history. Snyder does turn over coaches and the coaches that appear to be available in 2010 are include 5-6 Super Bowl winners.

Hard evidence? Maybe not. But obvious? Yup.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

The reports in camp (he's in Carolina now) are not glowing. The only reason I'd been following the slider articles was to find a reason why Robinson might have slid so far. Several draft mockery sites had him as the #1 or #2 guard in the draft.


Posted by: dcsween | August 10, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse
Interesting, dcs. Yes, right now all we can do is wait for some exhibition games to see how good Duke can be.

Same thing goes for Rinehart. The coaching staff has been watching him all spring and summer. We won't see anything until Thursday. Hope he has stepped up his game.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 10, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

ya, some of that stuff probably kept me from getting a handful of jobs

Posted by: alex35332 | August 10, 2009 3:21 PM

Nice to have the internet to blame. Every job I didn't get, I didn't get on merit. Reality bites.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 10, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Did you all know that Chris Cooley is listed as are 2nd string punter? That's fun.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 10, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 10, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

BEEPS

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 10, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

But as for strategy to win games. In 2009, we'll need to win with defense and not lose on offense. Essentially, we're the 2008 Ravens. Except the Ravens had a good OL and so-so talent around it -- the Skins have good talent around a so-so OL.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I'd have to disagree. While the Ravens was very successful in 2008, I'd say we are far more Talented on the offensive side of the ball, with the exception of the o-line. If Campbell gets time, Skins will spit on the 2008 Ravens offense. Not even checking the stats of that team, with a o-line how many potential pro-bowlers are coming out of Washington on offense - id say atleast 4 and this doesn't include Campbell and Sellers (I believe he made it last year).

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

But as for strategy to win games. In 2009, we'll need to win with defense and not lose on offense. Essentially, we're the 2008 Ravens. Except the Ravens had a good OL and so-so talent around it -- the Skins have good talent around a so-so OL.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 10, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Also, this type of approach tells us nothing about if JC is a franchise QB Either. I would like to see him light it up and not just go through the motions. The way he was talking today...i'll tell you he has a chip on his shoulder, and he is taking his future into his own hands and if I were him, Id want to control my own destiny. Hes talking about being on attack and staying aggressive, thats that Peyton Manning type attitude we need from the QB.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 10, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

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