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Redskins May Start with 2 QBs on Roster

From speaking with sources throughout the day, I'm thinking there's a chance the Redskins could start the season with only starter Jason Campbell and backup Todd Collins at quarterback.

With the possibility of adding an extra cornerback to the 53-man roster because of Carlos Rogers' lingering calf injury, the team could always just list wide receiver Antwaan Randle El (he played quarterback in college at Indiana) as its third quarterback to open the season. Third quarterbacks rarely play and the Redskins also faced other problems in trying to meet today's roster deadline.

Tackle Mike Williams is expected to be on the roster despite still being rusty after last playing in the 2005 regular season and missing time in camp and the preseason because of injuries. Also, there are some in the organization who want to have speedy running back Anthony Alridge and rookie linebacker Darrel Young on the roster. Eliminating another quarterback, at least to start the season, would free up another spot, and the Redskins could always sign another quarterback at some point.

The bottom line is the Redskins want to commit some roster spots to players who might not immediately help, such as Williams and Alridge. There are only 53 of 'em.

By Jason Reid  |  September 5, 2009; 2:58 PM ET
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Scan that waiver wire Vinny, we need a quality backup at tackle!! Mike Williams ain't gonna do it.

Posted by: mcasady | September 5, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

2 QB's is what all teams should do in my opinion.

Posted by: Mike4169 | September 5, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora: Matt Jones has unique size and speed and has had off field issues, but I would expect to see him somewhere in the next few weeks, and Tennessee remains an option. Jones had an excellent workout there and took a physical, according to sources. His agent, Dave Butz, remains confident he will be back in the NFL soon.

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Keep Mason on Roster and add Alridge to practice squad(if eligible).

Posted by: Vicc | September 5, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

ALRIDGE!! ALRIDGE!! ALRIDGE!! ALRIDGE!!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

To self:

You think?

Where's PSP?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 5, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

To repeat from the previous thread: one of the reasons young 3rd string QBs are important is that they can grow up to be very good 1st string QBs, especially if they stay in the same system over time. Cases in point from 'Skins history: Joe Theismann, Mark Rypien and (albeit as starters for other teams) Stan Humphries and Trent Green.

Posted by: boothintexas | September 5, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow. The Mayor is all over it. Bwahhahahaha.


Must be nice having the former blog owner throw you under the bus "Contrary to published reports"

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 5, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

So what happens if another team calls Chase
? A player can be taken and signed by any team at anytime on the practice squad.

Posted by: leevi98 | September 5, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

2 QB's is what all teams should do in my opinion.

Posted by: Mike4169 | September 5, 2009 3:05 PM

Yeah, when you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. How often does the third QB actually see action? Periculum, go get some numbers.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

So does anyone think Daniel will get picked up by another team?

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora
Redskins to sign QB Daniel to practice squad

Posted: September 5th, 2009 | Jason La Canfora | Tags: Chase Daniel, Colt Brennan Waskington Redskins

Contrary to a published report, the Washington Redskins do plan to sign QB Chase Daniel to the practice squad. Daniel, who was signed as a rookie free agent, will be among the team’s cuts – and QB Colt Brennan is going on IR – but he impressed the coaches with his production, intellect and work ethic in the preseason and the team intends to sign him to the practice squad, according to a team source.


br: Periculum

JLaC is messing up our non -chlantness of Daniel so he can pass through the wires so we can sign him to the P Sqaud.

That's just F'd up right there......

I would have thought he would have more indepth reports about BMore than us.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 5, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

i feel like we're in slow motion over here...

Posted by: trolly_time | September 5, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Why can't they just keep Chase Daniel? He looked really good at the QB position. I guess the skins can't decide who they want as QB, big surprise.

Posted by: scorpio26 | September 5, 2009 2:57 PM

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Because the Redskins, from ownership to fandom, cannot DEVELOP a star QB, becasue they don't ant to wait...

You have a first round pick, JC, who takes you to 6-2 on accurate and smart playing, and when the TEAM collapses to 8-8, everyone acts like the guy is worse than dirt. So with this mentality, you think ownership/management/fans can sit around for Chase Daniel to take them to glory land? NEVER.

Redskins need a Hall-of Fame QB who is born with a pro-bowl invitation out of his mom's uterus. Redskins need a QB who can throw 23/25 for 400 yards, 4 TD's no INT by ythe time he hits kindergarden.

If you wanna know why Redskins offense sucks, look in the mirror and hold a picture of snyderatto next to yourself

peace out

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 5, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

MASON,MASON,MASON!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 5, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Jlac and "redskins sources" are persona grata now that jlac is no longer at wapo, hahaha

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 5, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Greg Paulus looks impressive,I think Daniel will clear waivers and be on the practice squad.

Posted by: mark65 | September 5, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

So does anyone think Daniel will get picked up by another team?

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 3:12 PM

No. They'd have to put him on their 53 man roster when he doesn't know anything about their offense. He looked okay in pre-season, but he went undrafted and there are better guys out there.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

glawrence007- No! ALRIDGE, ALRIDGE, ALRIDGE!!! =)

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the "Jello Puddin' Kid" (Quan Cosby, WR from Texas and Bill Cosby's draft day pet) made the team with the Bungles.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 5, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

He looked okay in pre-season, but he went undrafted and there are better guys out there.

Posted by: talent_evaluator
**So why would we want him back exactly?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 5, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

There were a total of 31 quarterbacks taken in either the second or third round from 1992-2006. There were some who started quite a few games and had varying degrees of success (i.e. Kordell Stewart, Jake Plummer, Brian Griese) while others have managed to bounce around the league for a long time (i.e. Todd Collins, Charlie Batch, Josh McCown) but overall the group leaves a lot to be desired. In fact, Drew Brees is the only one who developed into a great quarterback for the team that drafted him and he was the 32nd overall pick, which would be a first rounder today. Also, Brees was so disappointing his first few years that the Chargers moved on and used a Top 5 on Philip Rivers before he hit his stride.

That is 1 out of 31, which equates to about a 3% success rate.

It seems pretty clear that most quarterbacks chosen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds have been for the most part pretty dismal. Lower than that?

Only Joe Gibbs seemed to have a penchant for developing those. Many people underestimate that aspect of his career.

Third stringers come in when you are pretty damned desperate. They are usually cannon fodder until the team can do something about the QB position in the offseason.

In other words: both Matt Cassel and Todd Collins are very, very rare.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/23qb/images/92-06-qbchart.jpg

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Scan that waiver wire Vinny, we need a quality backup at tackle!! Mike Williams ain't gonna do it.

Posted by: mcasady | September 5, 2009 3:05 PM
__________________________________________________

Hey , I agree w/ you, posted it three threads ago and was chided to follow Bugel, and Vinnie on this one.
I will admit, I may have erred in suggesting a Steeler offensive lineman. But I still feel this team is so thin at OL, you could take a Giant PS OLineman and improve our depth by week four.
We shall see...

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 5, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Because the Redskins, from ownership to fandom, cannot DEVELOP a star QB, becasue they don't ant to wait...

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 5, 2009 3:14 PM

They don't want to wait? Dude, this is JC's fifth year here.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

NYJER! NYJER! NYJER!

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Anyone like Dominic Rhodes? Always thought he was pretty productive.

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 5, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Aren't the Giants moving forward with 2 Qbs on the roster?

Posted by: OrganicWater | September 5, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

periculum- TONY, TONY, TONY!! ahahaha :)

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

from PFT:

Giants stockpiling WRs, trade coming?
Posted by Evan Silva on September 5, 2009 3:07 PM ET
Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, tweets on Twitter that he's "hearing rumblings" about a possible Giants wide receiver trade.


The Jints made all their cuts and kept seven wideouts. There has been speculation that the Dolphins could be interested in Sinorice Moss.


In addition to Moss, rookies Ramses Barden and Hakeem Nicks, starters Domenik Hixon and Steve Smith, Mario Manningham, and Derek Hagan are the Giants' roster. Nicks finished out the preseason on fire and is pushing Hixon hard to be the team's starting split end. It will be interesting to see if Hixon is also on the trade block.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 5, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Aren't the Giants moving forward with 2 Qbs on the roster?

Posted by: OrganicWater | September 5, 2009 3:22 PM

Yes, and seven WR's.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Time is going so slow I need to make sure Alridge made the team.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Redskins.com blog has Chase saying he will be here tommorow to sign a contract if he clears waivers. His twitter page says the samething.

I swear being a Skin insider could be the easiest job in the world. I live in NC and am sitting at home watching college football and am getting better info then the post just by surfing the internet.

Posted by: mrbrooksbaldwin | September 5, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

BEETLEJUICE! BEETLEJUICE! BEETLEJUICE!

Posted by: freakzilla | September 5, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

They're keeping seven recievers and they couldn't keep Tyree? Wow.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I will admit, I may have erred in suggesting a Steeler offensive lineman.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 5, 2009 3:19 PM

Ray, you didn't suggest a Steeler offensive lineman. You suggested that we should raid their PRACTICE SQUAD. Someone who wasn't good enough to make their team. So, yeah, let me ask you again -- don't you think Joe Bugel can decide whether a guy he has in camp is better than a nameless, faceless Pittsburgh practice squad lineman?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Tony Toni Tone

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 5, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Because the Redskins, from ownership to fandom, cannot DEVELOP a star QB, becasue they don't ant to wait...

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 5, 2009 3:14 PM

They don't want to wait? Dude, this is JC's fifth year here.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

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He'll blossom in his seventh season! (just kiddin)

JC has done a decent job however you look at it. JC is not the problem here. He may not be the answer to ALL the problems, but certainly is not the major flaw

Major flaw has been lack of TEAM development, personnel development, too many coaches, players going through the revolving door to appease impatient owner and hungry fans....

You think any of the dream QB's in the league would have done better with Redskins O-line/playcalling?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 5, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

They're keeping seven recievers and they couldn't keep Tyree? Wow.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Good point, rachel.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 5, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Kicker Dave Rayner was also cut, giving Shaun Suisham the starting job, a team source told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 5, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

They don't want to wait? Dude, this is JC's fifth year here.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

He's only played for 2.5 and they completely switched offenses on him 3 times. He learned the Gibbs 2.0 offense. Then we decided that wasn't working so we brought in Al Saunders and his 700 page playbook. We couldn't wait for that so we brought in Zorn and his west coast offense. Half the impatient fans are ready to get rid of this before it even hits its' second year.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 5, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

right-on Pakistan

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 5, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Kicker Dave Rayner was also cut, giving Shaun Suisham the starting job, a team source told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 5, 2009 3:28 PM |

I'm guessing that by week five that planeload of four kicker hopefuls that flies from town to town will be auditioning at Redskins Park.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

don't you think Joe Bugel can decide whether a guy he has in camp is better than a nameless, faceless Pittsburgh practice squad lineman?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009

Sure T_E and he has in the past. But do you really actually believe he makes that call? And Not cousin Vinny Minny Danny? C'mon dude this is not Joe Gibbs football under JKC. This is Dan Snyder Soap Opera co-starring that chucklehead.

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

To all JC backers. Watch Rivers, Ryan or Flacco and see how they quickly read the D and follow it, with a quick throw. If you haven't been watching another team with a gifted QB you still may think JC is ok. He is a liability especially with a suspect O-line. The team needs a great running QB or a quick decision maker with a fast release.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 5, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

frediefritz- Yeah, I figure he stay with them, he made one of the most unbelievable game saving catches ever! He was basically the super bowl hero.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

MASON, MASON, MASON, rachael.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 5, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

He's only played for 2.5 and they completely switched offenses on him 3 times. He learned the Gibbs 2.0 offense. Then we decided that wasn't working so we brought in Al Saunders and his 700 page playbook. We couldn't wait for that so we brought in Zorn and his west coast offense. Half the impatient fans are ready to get rid of this before it even hits its' second year.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 5, 2009 3:29 PM

Yeah, all the usual blah, blah. We've read it a thousand times. Just this week.

He's had four years here and now he has a fifth. I'm hoping that he will put it together this year. But, look, the problem isn't that the Skins were too impatient with him like peaceful was claiming.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Where are OUR cuts posted!! I need that list J. Reid, STAT!

Posted by: Rush21 | September 5, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

SHAUN SUISHAM over DAVE RAYNOR. The known over the unknown. Sill rather have SCOOBY-doo from the JAGS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 5, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

To all JC backers. Watch Rivers, Ryan or Flacco and see how they quickly read the D and follow it, with a quick throw

Hmmm ... Rivers had a lot of trouble last year ... fans were very unhappy ... and those other two well let's see what happens in their second years.
~smiles~

Let me know when Peyton Manning becomes available. Then you can say you can get a better QB than JC and everyone would agree.

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

talent-evaluator maybe you should change your name to talent-evaporator

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 5, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The problem with JCs reads last year:

Santana is doubled and not open.

ARE is singled and not open.

Devin's not where he is supposed to be and I cant even find him.

Cooley and CP are blocking.

Dump it.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 5, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

CANDY MAN. CANDY MAN. CANDY MAN!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 5, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

peri,

you gotta say you'd rather have those other guys over JC right?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 5, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

talent-evaluator maybe you should change your name to talent-evaporator

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 5, 2009 3:37 PM

Screen name smack? That's all you've got? Thanks for the advice. I'll keep it in mind.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

ALRIDGE, ALRIDGE, ALRIDGE, glawrence007. =)

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

My wild assed JC prediction for this year:
4200, 24 TDs, 10 picks (6 of which will have bounced off DTs hands before being intercepted)

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 5, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

This year could be better:

Double Santana Moss and you have Malcolm Kelly to deal with. Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, and ARE could be in patterns underneath, Marko Mitchell could be in as a deep threat. Betts more often out of the backfield.

Plenty of targets. Now, just need some good pass blocking.

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

SkinsfaninKaneohe

I do hope you are right

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 5, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

peri,

you gotta say you'd rather have those other guys over JC right?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 5, 2009

JC is far more mobile than all of them. Have you looked at the OL recently? He is still young and has a significantly higher ceiling than both Ryan and Flacco. Rivers? He is more of a drop back QB while JC is more mobile. Has Rivers reached his ceiling? JC hasn't.

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

No offense intended here, I love the commentary and the blog and the jibba jabba on here and the opinions of the mayor and people who closely follow the team. However, on cut day so far PFT had that Brennan was going to IR before the insider and over 3 hours before there is anything on here they had that Chase was being cut and more likely than not also won't be on the practice squad......that's not very insider to get scooped twice in one day on the only stories there are.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 5, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy for Suisham. On Redskins Nation, Larry Michael would constantly show the practice field during the offseason...who was out there? Suisham practicing kicks.


Posted by: Lisa_R | September 5, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

BUEHLER! BUEHLER! BUEHLER!

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse


The problem with JCs reads last year:

Santana is doubled and not open.

ARE is singled and not open.

Devin's not where he is supposed to be and I cant even find him.

Cooley and CP are blocking.

Dump it.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneoh


finally someone who makes some sense arond here...


Posted by: cocodc1 | September 5, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy for Suisham. On Redskins Nation, Larry Michael would constantly show the practice field during the offseason...who was out there? Suisham practicing kicks.
Posted by: Lisa_R

Lisa that means nothing if he can't make field goals during games

Posted by: jm220 | September 5, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

C'mon dude this is not Joe Gibbs football under JKC. This is Dan Snyder Soap Opera co-starring that chucklehead.

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 3:32 PM


This year could be better:

Double Santana Moss and you have Malcolm Kelly to deal with. Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, and ARE could be in patterns underneath, Marko Mitchell could be in as a deep threat. Betts more often out of the backfield.

Plenty of targets. Now, just need some good pass blocking.

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 3:44 PM

You may not be an idiot but you seem to play one on Redskins Insider. In one post you blast the FO and, 12 minutes later, you praise them. Kelly, Davis, Mitchell are all Vinny picks. They replace guys like ARE, Thrash, Brandon Lloyd who were Gibbs picks.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

you are saying they have shorter ceilings than JC? How exactly do you deduce such things? They are all young, and the others have been more productive. Yes, I have noticed the SUSPECT (the description I used about the O-Line) O-line. That's why I said a quick release QB or a scrambling one would be better.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 5, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy for Suisham. On Redskins Nation, Larry Michael would constantly show the practice field during the offseason...who was out there? Suisham practicing kicks.


Posted by: Lisa_R | September 5, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I can practice quantum physics all I want to doesn't mean I'll ever be good at it, I'm hoping they wise up and sign stover or another legit kicker before we go into the season with the least accurate kicker in the league who has a weak leg too, not good enough when you have an offense that historically is a low scoring one.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 5, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

If you must replace JC replace him with Peyton Manning. Accept no substitutes. LOL

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

8 minutes to go !!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dashriprock | September 5, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

t-e, I am not making excuses for JC, I know he is not Payton Manning, but he is not the reason for our failures

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 5, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Dudes, the Post really embarrassed Snyder this week. I mean they made him out to be the Bin Laden of ticket sales. He is not happy, and so the Redskins aren't going to be very cooperative with anyone from the Post. Boz really let him have it with both barrels.

Give these guys a break.

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reports rayner was cut suisham is our kicker.....that sucks

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 5, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

what was wrong for choosing Raynor?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 5, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

wonder which drafted LB theyll cut if they keep young

Posted by: drewkinnear | September 5, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Wake up and smell the coffee

Bueller Bueller Bueller

Anyone, anyone, anyone

Posted by: noone_from_tampa | September 5, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I meant why didn't we choose Raynor? stronger leg, possible hope, etc

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 5, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Kickers don't reach their primes until age30+

Posted by: Vicc | September 5, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Redskins will announce cuts via their website and Twitter.

Just IMHO

Then all the real news organizations can go complain about lack of access

Posted by: noone_from_tampa | September 5, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Bucs released Matt Bryant who was injured during the preseason. If Suisham struggles early, Bryant could be an option.

Posted by: TWISI | September 5, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

That's why I said a quick release QB or a scrambling one would be better.

Campbell probably scrambles as well as any QB in the league. You saw how bad things with the line how it affected Portis?

You don't think it would affect JC? Yet, ***considering*** he had a pretty good year!? What happens if you give **him** a good line, forget silly Portis?

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reports rayner was cut suisham is our kicker.....that sucks

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 5, 2009 3:55 PM

What did you see in preseason that made you think Rayner was better than Suisham? It looked to me like they played to a draw. This was not like the competition for fifth wide receiver where Mitchell ran away from the pack. Neither one of these guys could beat the other.

Anyway, I'm still predicting that by week five, unless Suisham's doing better than he did last year, the 'Skins will be trying out kickers again.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

you gotta say you'd rather have those other guys over JC right?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 5, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

If you don't give a crap about turnovers then yeah. Flacco threw 1 more TD and 6 more INTs. Of course since he has the Ravens D he can throw picks all day and nobody cares. Ryan threw 3 more TDs and 5 more INTs. Rivers and Ryan played a joke of a schedule as far as passing d's are concerned last year. Rivers had the easiest schedule in the NFL last year. That's why him and Cutler blew up. Your completion percentage rarely just jumps 5 points for no reason. Heck even Tyler Thigpen looked good last year. Rivers and Ryan are going to take a big step back this year. Cutler was lucky to get out of Denver this year. The AFC west plays the AFC North and the NFC East. That's brutal. You guys have to keep in mind what works in San Diego may not work here.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 5, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Kickers don't reach their primes until age30+

Posted by: Vicc | September 5, 2009

I thought that was long snappers? Trevor Matich ... LOL

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

meant why didn't we choose Raynor? stronger leg, possible hope, etc

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 5, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

His two extra points Thursday just barely made it through. First one pushed, second one pulled.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 5, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Who is this guy Weisman anyway some relative of Snyder's? I like Terl better.

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Dudes, the Post really embarrassed Snyder this week. I mean they made him out to be the Bin Laden of ticket sales. He is not happy, and so the Redskins aren't going to be very cooperative with anyone from the Post. Boz really let him have it with both barrels.

VERY TRUE... They MAYOR probably cant get SH$T from his sources at redskins park right now....belive that...

Posted by: cocodc1 | September 5, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

It's 4:03!! Where is the list??!!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

JC needs better playcalling this year period. The O-line should be better and hopefully healthy.

JC also needs to be faster and more decisive. He needs to play to win and not play to not lose. He needs to let her rip! He won't be back if he doesn't win games, so he might as well accept some interceptions....and go deep, deep ,deep baby

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 5, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Give wapo a break?

They have chosen the path they walk. They apparently have higher journalistic standards than some other sports journalism sites, they demand tow confirmed sources before running a story . I have no doubt that Da mayor KNEW of the news much much earlier than when he actually reported the news. His ground rules prevented him from "going live". Fair enough...it is what it is.

Wapo, for wahtever reason, has chosen to "be at war" wit hte Redskins, and this war has only intensified since Snyder took over the team.

I think the roots of the acrimony are when Christine Brennan was the Redskins beat reporter and chose to follow several less than flattering story lines way back in the day.

As an aside, Wilbon and C Brennan are same time attendees of Northwestern's Journalism school.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 5, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

It's 4:03!! Where is the list??!!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009

Announced by Vinny Minny Me for Snyder at 6 PM.

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

It's 4:03!! Where is the list??!!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 4:03 PM

They're releasing it at 4:00 Mountain Time. That's 6:00 Eastern Time. Sorry.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reports rayner was cut suisham is our kicker.....that sucks

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 5, 2009 3:55 PM

What did you see in preseason that made you think Rayner was better than Suisham? It looked to me like they played to a draw. This was not like the competition for fifth wide receiver where Mitchell ran away from the pack. Neither one of these guys could beat the other.

Anyway, I'm still predicting that by week five, unless Suisham's doing better than he did last year, the 'Skins will be trying out kickers again.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

When you already know you have the worst kicker in the league, its worth taking a shot at somebody else who has a stronger leg, I can't remember what post had it but somewhere a while back the mayor ran through where they were kicking off to, and it was no contest that Raynor had the stronger leg. When Suisham was leaving 43 yarders short and kicking of to the 15 last year I would have taken anyone over him and I don't see what's changed on that....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 5, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

It's 4:03!! Where is the list??!!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I hear there is an issue in the Redskins war room, they just sent Larry Michael to fetch some liquid white-out.

Posted by: Vicc | September 5, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Who is this guy Weisman anyway some relative of Snyder's? I like Terl better.

Posted by: periculum

Larry Weisman was with USA Today for 20 some years but the Skins hired him a few months ago. Terl is still there but not getting as much "Play" now that it is the "Larry and Larry" show.

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 5, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

So nervous for Alridge!! :( Where is the list??

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

30 min is the new fashionably late..

Posted by: Vicc | September 5, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Ah Captain Krash Chaos you've done it again!

or me, Jacksonville was a mundane as possible. I checked into my room at the Omni hotel around three on Wednesday only to leave for an hour while I walked around in awe at a lackluster downtown. After the tour, I proceeded to watch nearly three hours of stunning pottery throwing videos on YouTube. Which sadly, was by far my most productive use of time the entire trip. I was, however, able to complete one and a half crossword puzzles and a few sudoku puzzles out of the local Florida newspaper.

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

rachel, are you dating Alridge or something?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 5, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh. Thanks periculum, talent_evaluator. I cannot wait any longer. periculum- I can't tell if you are kidding. Is Vinny really going to be on 980 at 6?

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

rachel, are you dating Alridge or something?

Posted by: learnedhand1

doubt it. Long distance relationships never work.

Posted by: Vicc | September 5, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

rachel, are you dating Alridge or something?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 5, 2009 4:08 PM

LOL, lh. Maybe he owes her money?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Weisman is a columnist. Not sure i like how he just "ends" all his pieces with some cheesy tag line. But, I guess that is what columnists do.

Terl is the "everyman" fan geek who gets to peek behind the curtain and report the fluff that he sees. Not a slam, I like most of his stuff.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 5, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand1- hahaha, no I just want him to make the team... really really bad. =)

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

rachel, are you dating Alridge or something?

Posted by: learnedhand1

I hope they keep Aldridge as well. He brings something to the team we do not have. CP said Aldridge can find holes no one else on the team even is aware of.

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 5, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

from twitter

Redskins' roster cuts are set to be announced at 6 p.m. Team must cut 21 in all, with Colt Brennan going to IR as the 22nd player.

Posted by: noone_from_tampa | September 5, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

RedskinsDotComRedskins' roster cuts are set to be announced at 6 p.m. Team must cut 21 in all, with Colt Brennan going to IR as the 22nd player.less than a minute

Posted by: will_ga | September 5, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

If any1 really wanted the list wouldn't you go to PFT or ESPN, on a count a they always break the knews first?

Posted by: Vicc | September 5, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I've got to go the can man!

by Chris Cooley

Hunter is standing on the sideline and makes the decision that he definitely has to take a piss. Now I've seen a variety of urinating options on the sideline ranging from taking a knee while a guy or two blocks off crowd vision, to offensive lineman being so lazy that they will actually just piss their pants.

"I was completely strapped up!" Hunter laughs. "No, but the helmet was still perched up on top of my head. I always have to be ready for a sudden change." Still chuckling. "The guy actually takes me into to public restroom and there is a line of fans waiting to take a piss blindly staring at me. I then make the decision that there is not enough time to wait for the line and I run back out to the field."

"A dad waiting in line with his little kid actually points at me and asks, "Don't you need to be in the game right now?"

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Twitter trumps RI as usual.

Posted by: will_ga | September 5, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I hope they keep Aldridge as well. He brings something to the team we do not have.

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 5, 2009 4:11 PM

Fumbles? Injuries? Nah, can't be that. We've already got that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"league sources" will have the cut list out in the trons WAY before 18:00 edt.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 5, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

And just like that, the 2009 season seems to be already over, before it even began for the Pork Rinds.

Posted by: TalkingHead1 | September 5, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"league sources" will have the cut list out in the trons WAY before 18:00 edt.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 5, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

And NONE of those trons will be wapo owned, LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 5, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Speed, explosiveness!! CP does not have either.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

...Injuries?...

Posted by: talent_evaluator


Colt Brennan is gonna get lonely on IR by himself, though I'm sure he'll enjoy the extra cold water tub space.

Posted by: Vicc | September 5, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Speed, explosiveness!! CP does not have either.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009

But Nyjer "Tony Plush" Morgan does ... :)

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

You think any of the dream QB's in the league would have done better with Redskins O-line/playcalling?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 5, 2009 3:27 P

The answer is YES!!!! and by the way, not only the "dream QBs" but also those guys who didn't make their team.

LOL. JC the perpetual rookie. Have patience ...

Posted by: hock1 | September 5, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Remember how Tiki learned to quit fumbling? Alridge can learn that as well. He already has speed. Its a lot easier to add skills to ability than the other way around. Alridge can add a dimension we don't have. Betts,Mason, Rock each have good qualities but Alridge seems to have something potentially special.

Posted by: will_ga | September 5, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Cooley trumps all ... he is friggin hilarious.

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer/Tony Plush has EVERYTHING!!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

FYI,,,,,

Da Raiders cut EX skins DL, Ryan Boschetti

Posted by: dashriprock | September 5, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Of course, the first time AA fumbles at the goal line I'll be yelling to cut his speedy butt.I'm a fan. Its what I do.

Posted by: will_ga | September 5, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Alrigdht,

I outtie. Everytime someone says CP still don't have speed, you have to wonder if mofos are smoking they la la la wit crack.

Go ask any football fan, outside of Redskin fans,(non bias) if CP still can fun fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhIzgcP8nOs&feature=related

1:00 minute mark

4:00 minute mark
F-it if you can't tell from his runs that da man can still accelerate well then put down the crack pipes.

with some WR blocking downfield, CP will have Long td runs

Posted by: Vicc | September 5, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

will_ga- Exactly! Portis is a great running back. His longest run will probably be 20 yards. He can't explode for a game changing 65 yard run like an Adrian Peterson or even a Michael Turner can. He really isn't explosive, but he is still a great RB. With Alridge I see that potential, I think he can break one occasionally with that speed.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Its just not funny when you have to explain it so perhaps the humor was only in my head and didn't transfer well to the blog. For that I'm sorry. Humor, snarkiness, etc is not an exact science and this is still the preseason. I just need more reps with the first team blog so I can be up to game speed by week one.

Posted by: will_ga | September 2, 2009 5:54 PM

That's gracious and gracefully put. I was out of line and I apologize. I've been critical of the PC police, but I put on one of their stars. I'm no better at it than the sorcerer's apprentice is at fetching water.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 2, 2009 6:36 PM

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will_ga--I don't know if you saw this the other day, but I want to re-post this apology.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Can Alridge tackle the other team's return man? Probably not. But Rock can. Not sure about Devin Thomas ... but he gets a pass because of his potential ... (See Desmond Howard, Michael "xtreme fighting" Westbrook, Rod Gardner, Taylor Jacobs).

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

doesn't any one notice this

I feel like I'm talking crazy pillz

Posted by: Vicc | September 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

FREAKZILLA is Hillarious, you made my day with the BEATLEJUICE chant. Uh, Oh, he's here now! :-))

I like Aldridge to really put pressure on Rock and I am still not convinced Betts a "sure fire" short yardage/ 3rd down back because stacking the box on him is so successful, whereas, over the course of a game it makes more sense to keep Portis in later after 3rd quarter. That means any back could spell Portis for his breather (Rock or Aldridge). If you run Portis off the field on 3rd down, every game you are asking for killing your drives. However, because of Aldridge's speed and likely putting on about 5-7 lbs more, you can run superlative routes both on run and pass for him and surprising teams with creative lanes, WR's, TE, and Aldridge. If anything use Betts abilities to receive for 2 back offenses, short yardage goal line (if they key run, he runs a pass route), etc. DO keep of course Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Aldrige and let Mason catch on somewhere else. Let Dorsey go, and leave room for a spot (unknown until later in the week) for Practice Squad.

Take Henson, put 10 lbs on him and have him back up all three LB spots because he's a monster!

Posted by: ByRon12 | September 5, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

The answer is YES!!!! and by the way, not only the "dream QBs" but also those guys who didn't make their team.

LOL. JC the perpetual rookie. Have patience ...

Posted by: hock1 | September 5, 2009 4:19 PM

The Skins had 19 starting QBs from 1993 to 2007. Peaceful is absolutely right, this organiation has NOT been patient with developing QBs:


Mark Rypien
Heath Shuler
John Friez
Gus Frerotte
Jeff Hostetler
Trent Green
Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Tony Banks
Shane Matthews
Patrick Ramsey
Danny Wuerfiel
Tim Hasselback
Mark Brunell
Todd Collins
Jason Campbell


"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
- Albert Einstein

Posted by: Alan4 | September 5, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

FREAKZILLA is Hillarious, you made my day with the BEATLEJUICE chant. Uh, Oh, he's here now! :-))

I like Aldridge to really put pressure on Rock and I am still not convinced Betts a "sure fire" short yardage/ 3rd down back because stacking the box on him is so successful, whereas, over the course of a game it makes more sense to keep Portis in later after 3rd quarter. That means any back could spell Portis for his breather (Rock or Aldridge). If you run Portis off the field on 3rd down, every game you are asking for killing your drives. However, because of Aldridge's speed and likely putting on about 5-7 lbs more, you can run superlative routes both on run and pass for him and surprising teams with creative lanes, WR's, TE, and Aldridge. If anything use Betts abilities to receive for 2 back offenses, short yardage goal line (if they key run, he runs a pass route), etc. DO keep of course Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Aldrige and let Mason catch on somewhere else. Let Dorsey go, and leave room for a spot (unknown until later in the week) for Practice Squad.

Take Henson, put 10 lbs on him and have him back up all three LB spots because he's a monster!

Put Marco Mitchell one step ahead of Thomas to push him. He's (Thomas) a great player waiting to happen. Like JC, he needs just a curve more time, and it WILL happen. I like them both, but for some reason, I like the EDGE Mitchell brings. Love his "Clarkesque" attitude about making plays.

Posted by: ByRon12 | September 5, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

CP is a great player. Who cares if he doesn't get a single run for over 20 yards all we need is 10 yards. Besides he not only runs but he blocks and for the love of God the skins need all the blockers on the world to help our perpetual rookie QB get rid of the ball.

Posted by: hock1 | September 5, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

NEVER put Betts in for goal line situation, esp if it's 4th down.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The Skins had 19 starting QBs from 1993 to 2007. Peaceful is absolutely right, this organiation has NOT been patient with developing QBs:

Posted by: Alan4 | September 5, 2009 4:27 PM

Alan, How long constitutes patience? Jason Campbell's entering his fifth year. That really seems like patience to me.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

NEVER put Betts in for goal line situation, esp if it's 4th down.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009

The same might be said of Portis which is why they tried Sellers as a short yardage back.

Posted by: periculum | September 5, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse
TE, missed it the first time. Thanks for putting it up again. Still working on getting the blogging up to game speed for next Sunday and beyond. Looking forward to blogging my guts all year.

Posted by: will_ga | September 5, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Alan, How long constitutes patience? Jason Campbell's entering his fifth year. That really seems like patience to me.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse


You ruined 3 of those 4 years of development by changing offenses every year. That's not being patient. You keep saying 5 years like it means something. It doesn't.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 5, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The Skins had 19 starting QBs from 1993 to 2007. Peaceful is absolutely right, this organiation has NOT been patient with developing QBs:

Posted by: Alan4 | September 5, 2009 4:27 PM

Alan, are you a CPA? You are sure taking liberties with that list, or you are one hell of an optimist.

Posted by: hock1 | September 5, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

can we get some updates please...?

there has to be some news filtering out.

Posted by: saltine182 | September 5, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Alan, How long constitutes patience? Jason Campbell's entering his fifth year. That really seems like patience to me.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 5, 2009 4:31 PM

In my mind, this year constitutes patience--a second year under the same coach/system. Not that JC has been as awful as his detractors pretend, but he should major move towards the top 10 QBs this year... if not, then he has no excuse.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 5, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

@ryanohalloran: Source: RB Marcus Mason and DE Renaldo Wynn make #Redskins roster as reserves

Posted by: will_ga | September 5, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

TE, the patience problem with JC is the OC merry go round, and therefore system shuffle. All QB's need some semblance of continuity to succeed, and he's going to get it this year. We have to let him see what he can do this year before prematurely pulling the plug on the Zorn experiment.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 5, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching Alridge highlights to pass time. He is lightning quick!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry hock, 16 QBs instead of 19. That makes my point completely moot, doesn't it?

Posted by: Alan4 | September 5, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I thought maybe Wynn was done. If the source is correct, then way to go MM. He has stuck with it for sure.

Posted by: will_ga | September 5, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

This is a blog so don't know why you need two sources but according to twitter. Mason and Wynn have made the 53.

Posted by: mrbrooksbaldwin | September 5, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

What are the odds they keep Mason & Alridge? Gotta say I'm starting to worry for AA. Wish they would just announce it. Rob Jackson not gonna make it maybe?

Posted by: will_ga | September 5, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

beeperoni

Posted by: TWISI | September 5, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

TE, the patience problem with JC is the OC merry go round, and therefore system shuffle. All QB's need some semblance of continuity to succeed, and he's going to get it this year. We have to let him see what he can do this year before prematurely pulling the plug on the Zorn experiment.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 5, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

People keep glossing over this but I don't think they realize how important it is. The early gibbs and saunders offenses were a variation of the coryell offense. They are deep and intermediate routes. It's completely different than the WCO. The WCO is short precise quick routes with an occasional home run swing. They're almost total opposites. We really did lose 3 years of JC's development. Switching offenses is very hard for a QB. This is why Garcia looked so good in Philly but can't crack the lineup in Oakland. Todd Collins looked great in the old offense and looked terrible last year.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 5, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ff7fS06deQ

watch how fast he is.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 5, 2009 4:42 PM |
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Wow and you can see he has two more gears, because he had to be patient on blocking then in the clear. Still he didn't have to turn on the secondary burners either to get the TD. Impressive. He has a fast "gliding step" and in the NFL, where its faster, he's set for prime. We NEED to keep him or we will see him against us TWICE a year. Count on it.

Posted by: ByRon12 | September 5, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey , I agree w/ you, posted it three threads ago and was chided to follow Bugel, and Vinnie on this one.
I will admit, I may have erred in suggesting a Steeler offensive lineman. But I still feel this team is so thin at OL, you could take a Giant PS OLineman and improve our depth by week four.
We shall see...

Yeah, we'll see.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 5, 2009 3:19 PM |

I just think there has to be a team out there that has an o-line situation like we our D-line, and A. Montomery's O-line equivalent is out there who could be a victim of the numbers game. A good, but not great player, who would be better than anyone backing up our current o-line.

KC's starting tackle from the last two years just got cut, that might be a good place to start.

Posted by: mcasady | September 5, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 5, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Well, there's an experienced DB cut, Deltha O'Neal was released by the Bengals, let's see what happens.

Posted by: michaelr1171 | September 5, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Is Mark Brunell available? Ha Ha Ha

Posted by: Steelblue1 | September 5, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

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