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Redskins add assistant special teams coach

Special teams coordinator Danny Smith will have more help next season.

The Redskins today announced the hiring of Richard Hightower as their assistant special teams coach. Hightower, who last season worked as assistant coach-wide receivers for the University of Minnesota, will assist Smith, the team's longtime coordinator. Washington has struggled on special teams while finishing last in the NFC East the previous two seasons.

"We knew we would need someone with a lot of energy to keep up with Danny Smith, and Richard is that kind of coach," Coach Mike Shanahan said in a statement released by the team. "He has both youth and experience, and will be a great asset to our special teams and our organization."

During the 2007-08 season, Hightower was a special teams assistant for the Houston Texans. He joined the Texans' staff during the 2005-06 season as a coaching administrative coordinator, working primarily with the secondary and special teams coaches.

Initially a walk-on at the University of Texas, Hightower was awarded a scholarship during his senior season. For the Longhorns, Hightower played defensive back, wide receiver and contributed on special teams.

By Jason Reid  |  February 8, 2010; 11:13 AM ET
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Thought they were hiring Gregg Williams son after the SB.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 8, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Special thanks from the Grimm family should go to David Elfin, the former Washington Times writer, who gave a strong presentation on behalf of Grimm two years after Elfin helped sway voters Art Monk's way....

Testimonials gathered by Elfin from Randy White, the former Cowboys defensive menace, Bill Parcells, Harry Carson and Matt Millen, who called Grimm "the smartest offensive lineman" he ever played against, helped ensure he would have a bronze bust alongside Joe Gibbs, John Riggins, Monk and Darrell Green.

--Mike Wise

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Is there anyone here that thinks Jason Reid would ever have the chops to get Russ Grimm into the Hall of Fame?

One of the great injustices is that Jason Reid has a job covering the Redskins and Dave Elfin doesn't. Elfin knows the team and the players and always did a better job covering the 'Skins than Reid did. Post: Reassign Reid, hire Elfin.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 8, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Thought they were hiring Gregg Williams son after the SB.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 8, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse
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He's prolly still asleep

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 8, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

1. Congrats to Russ Grimm
2. Congrats to NO, the team and town deserved it
3. How's that global warming working out in DC?

Glad all those people spoke about the warm, snowless DC winters unlike when they grew up. Idiots!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 8, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Since Glenn Beck can't seem to do it will someone explain to Dr.noonefromtampa the difference between precipitation and temperature.

Posted by: mack1 | February 8, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"Hell even young kids know their songs from CSI. Just because they don't rap, curse, and generally look like idiots you don't like them, Get a clue....."

So you say The Who are so great because kids know the lyrics to their songs from watching CSI?

Wow.

I got kids and they don't even know what CSI is.

They do Youtube, Facebook, and Myspace.

Television is a dead medium in my house right after newspapers.

In fact, I don't watch that show as I don't watch the crap on tv unless it's a game.

I do know that CSI is an adult oriented show on a network--CBS- whose market is slanted towards older white mid west types.

The masses don't fit that demographic, Mista Got No Clue.

The Who are an over-rated English rock act, dude, get with it.

The masses know Motown, Beatles, EWF, the Eagles, Mike Jax, disco, and old school soul: get a sound scan chart and see what's still selling from back in the day, bro', before selling out about a group with no clout.

And not every entertainer has got to be a rapper just like they don't have to be a tired rock act playing 30 year old songs.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Dick Hightower?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 8, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

So you say The Who are so great because kids know the lyrics to their songs from watching CSI?
Wow.
I got kids and they don't even know what CSI is.
They do Youtube, Facebook, and Myspace.
Television is a dead medium in my house right after newspapers.
In fact, I don't watch that show as I don't watch the crap on tv unless it's a game.
I do know that CSI is an adult oriented show on a network--CBS- whose market is slanted towards older white mid west types.
The masses don't fit that demographic, Mista Got No Clue.
The Who are an over-rated English rock act, dude, get with it.
The masses know Motown, Beatles, EWF, the Eagles, Mike Jax, disco, and old school soul: get a sound scan chart and see what's still selling from back in the day, bro', before selling out about a group with no clout.
And not every entertainer has got to be a rapper just like they don't have to be a tired rock act playing 30 year old songs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 11:58 AM

Pretty harsh Moe. Don’t think he’s saying the Who is great because people know their songs from CSI……to say they are overrated, or are a group with no clout seems a tad…..argumentative. They are old, yes, and may not sell any albums lately, but they are in the hall of fame; no small feat. And if you haven’t figured out up here that you can’t speak for the masses, then you really haven’t had enough arguments up here, and I don’t believe that to be the case…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 8, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I hope Danny and his new assistant will boot ARE from returning punts.

Posted by: clark202 | February 8, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"..but they are in the hall of fame; no small feat..."

The Rock N Roll Hall of Fame a measuring stick of greatness?

You're killing me.

They took a sports idea and connected it to music, where it might not apply.

What I'm saying is the NFL should give up it's fear of another Janet Jackson episode and give space to a broader genre of music.

Once they run out of safe old rock bands, where well the league go for it's half-time show?

Oh, I forgot: we'll get inuandated with Country acts.

I forgot.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

OK, as long as the Who performance was brought up, I think I discovered what may have been my greatest letdown since sneaking down the stairs as an 8 year old and seeing my parent's putting presents under the Christmas tree.

At the culmination of "We Don't Get Fooled Again," the shot is on Daltry looking like he's preparing himself for that scream when the guitar crescendo kicks in. Interestingly, you can hear the scream, but the camera is off somewhere else and not on Daltry, who you'd think would be the focus. Conclusion: Taped scream that either was off a recording of him or dubbed by someone else. The guy was hedging all over the place in hitting high notes and his vocal range was minimal at best. Don't get fooled again, indeed.

Apparently, the kids are alright, as long as they don't have to sing live at halftime.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | February 8, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Since Glenn Beck can't seem to do it will someone explain to Dr.noonefromtampa the difference between precipitation and temperature.

Posted by: mack1 | February 8, 2010 11:56 AM
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1. Haven't followed Glenn much since he left Tampa for the big show.
2. What you said, huh? seriously you're that much of an idiot -- rain, snow, hot, cold at you trying to make some clever point? maybe we can discuss if fog is precipitationa or not, maybe talk about the 7-8 different types of fog there are...
3. probably not, intelligent conversation not something you're up for

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 8, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

TRADE PLAYERS, get picks. TRADE slots, get picks....can't see them giving up alot of picks.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 8, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

As long as AL DAVIS breathes, we have hope.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

The Who did not sing or play yesterday, it took about 15 seconds to tell the faking it to a soundtrack

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 8, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

HURRAY, SMITH's replacement is in place. The sooner, the better.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

The Rock N Roll Hall of Fame a measuring stick of greatness?
You're killing me.
They took a sports idea and connected it to music, where it might not apply.
What I'm saying is the NFL should give up it's fear of another Janet Jackson episode and give space to a broader genre of music.
Once they run out of safe old rock bands, where well the league go for it's half-time show?
Oh, I forgot: we'll get inuandated with Country acts.
I forgot.
Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 12:26 PM

Last I checked, yes, the Hall of fame is a measuring stick of greatness, based mainly upon the opinions of people in the business; just like the sports halls.
And in your arguments, you seem to almost be saying that the Who was never any good, and that the “masses” don’t recognize them. You are pretty much disrespecting one of the greatest rock bands in history. Go read their Wikipedia page and tell me they were an overrated act. Just because you don’t like them doesn’t mean that they aren’t any good.

For the record, I’m with you that the NFL could give some space to more acts/styles. If you don’t watch it, check out Sat Night Live once in a while; very, very diverse and fresh lately.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 8, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

And just for satisfying my own disappointment at not having the Skins in the SB...there is no question in my mind that, at full strength, they could have played the Saints a whole lot closer then the Colts. Much better D than the horseshoes.

But if I can't have the Skins playing on SB Sunday, the next best things is a red-hot game between the Caps and 'Guins that goes down to an overtime powerplay goal that sends Pittsburgh packing. Nice job, Caps!

Posted by: InRealAmerica | February 8, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

When was the last Super Bowl act to play live? I mean, seriously, hasn't the fix been in on that since the halftime show began?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 8, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"Conclusion: Taped scream that either was off a recording of him or dubbed by someone else. The guy was hedging all over the place in hitting high notes and his vocal range was minimal at best. Don't get fooled again, indeed.Posted by: InRealAmerica"

Um, he lip-synched the whole performance.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The Who is tired and I didnt waste my time watching another bs sb halftime show. But they were and are one of the great classic rock bands of all time.

The NFL will never put "fresh/new/exciting" bands on the sb halftime show. Its all about marketing to the masses. And IMHO the masses has trrrrbbbll taste in music. Country music is ttttttrrrrrrrbl.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 8, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"The masses know Motown, Beatles, EWF, the Eagles, Mike Jax, disco, and old school soul"

The Beatles and Jackson, sure. But Motown? EWF? Disco? Old school soul (what's that, the Isleys?)

I don't think you ought to be calling other people out of date.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

3. How's that global warming working out in DC?

Glad all those people spoke about the warm, snowless DC winters unlike when they grew up. Idiots!

Posted by: noonefromtampa

Do you get your bullet points directly from Limbaugh, or are you just interested in helping the human race commit suicide.

Look, moron, a key symptom of Global Climate Change is more frequent and greater bizarre and dangerous weather.

That includes Category Five hurricanes which fill the entire Gulf of Mexico one year, and two or three fifty year blizzards in a month in the Atlantic States.

And if you antis could see outside your own personal, selfish xenophobic circle, you might be able to spot the Maldive Islands, which will soon be underwater, and Australia, which has been burning up the past few years due to an almost complete lack of rain.

It is unfortunate the scientists who know what's coming fought against a better tear, "Global Climate Change." The words "Global Warming" gives ignorant or uncaring Far Righties who don't give a rodent's rump about whether your or my grandkids live or die, a chance to prove their ignorance.

One more thing. Great to see Grimm in the HOF.

Posted by: TheCork | February 8, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

The NFL had a chance to use Motown acts in Detroit a few years ago but went with the Stones instead. I love the Who and the Stones but they really need to go in another direction. At least the Who had a decent light show to distract somewhat from their age etc., unlike the stones. They must be running out of ancient rock bands by now.

Posted by: skinswest | February 8, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"Great to see Grimm in the HOF"

Next time just write that, and leave your political thoughts elsewhere...........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Pretty sure Bill Russell would get schooled by Dwight Howard right now. Doesn't mean he wasn't great in his prime. Same with The Who. Unfortunately,their prime is long gone. Maybe next year they'll get a David Bowie & John Fogerty duet. Sponsored by Depends & Ensure.

Posted by: will_ga | February 8, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Peter King on Russ Grimm getting into the HOF:

I always thought a Hog should be in the Hall because Washington's offensive line is the best over time of the last 30 years. Grimm's resume isn't as deep as some of the offensive linemen we've elected, obviously, but injuries cut short two of his 11 seasons, and in the other nine, he missed only eight games. Played four positions, made the all-decade team of the eighties, and was the one guy on the Redskins I always remember Bill Parcells saying of, "If we let this guy have a good day, we'll lose." ..... Grimm's the guy I'm happiest for after this year's balloting.


Posted by: Agree2Disagree

Its worth noting that Peter King flipped on MOnk and Monk got in. King promoted Grimmm this year -- don't think he ever did that before ... and Grimm got in.

The HOF may have 44 voters, but some are clearly more influential than others. Since almost all the guys are deserving on the list, a few vote swings probably goes a long way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to Russ G!

Sorry London Fletcher didn't get the WP award, but I'm sure for him it's not about the recognition anyway. Keep it going London.

(The Who was not known for tight live performance even in their day.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 8, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

While I was not defending their performance last night I was defending their legacy. You could easily hear the entire stadium singing along with them by the way (yes and maybe sounding better, I know someone will say it)

Entire SB Stadium Singing along = appealing to the right audience.

One of the greatest bands ever......

Posted by: rupertpupkin | February 8, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

While I was not defending their performance last night I was defending their legacy. You could easily hear the entire stadium singing along with them by the way (yes and maybe sounding better, I know someone will say it)

Entire SB Stadium Singing along = appealing to the right audience.

One of the greatest bands ever......

Posted by: rupertpupkin | February 8, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"You are pretty much disrespecting one of the greatest rock bands in history. Go read their Wikipedia page and tell me they were an overrated act."


Your stated affection for The Who might make your argumentation false.

In terms of rock/r and b music, where--in your opinion, mind you-- does The Who stand, from the period of 1968 to 1979, against Clapton, Hendrix, The Stones, the Eagles, Sly and the Family Stone, Earth-Wind-Fire, the Jackson 5, the Beatles, and an asssortment of other high quality bands.

I just am not feeling them as being as great as to deserve prime time Super Bowl half time attention, is all.

And if that's an insult, well, it was to watch them last night.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

It is unfortunate the scientists who know what's coming fought against a better tear, "Global Climate Change." The words "Global Warming" gives ignorant or uncaring Far Righties who don't give a rodent's rump about whether your or my grandkids live or die, a chance to prove their ignorance.

Posted by: TheCork | February 8, 2010 1:08 PM
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So, Cork, let's say I agree with your rather condescending rant about Global Climate Change. How can you get up on your high horse when there is no proof that man is the culprit? It does seem there is something weird going on with the climate, but this has happened many times in Earth's history. What makes you so sure that this is caused by mankind or can be prevented by mankind? Do you believe in the Ice Age? It stands to reason that if there were periods of great cold in our Earth's hsitory, then there must be an opposite to that. Were the dinosaurs driving carbon monoxide/dioxide spewing vehicles around during the Cretaceous period when the average temp was higher than it us now? You know, it makes sense to curb our carbon emissions. I'm all for it. I just wish people who should be smart enough to know better would not try to draw conclusions about the current weather patterns being caused by man. There is no statistically significant evidence to support that theory. None.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"Great to see Grimm in the HOF"

Next time just write that, and leave your political thoughts elsewhere...........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2010 1:14 PM

Yes congrats to Grimm! But Bean, don't you mean just the politics you don't agree with?

Posted by: mack1 | February 8, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

One more note on the HOF voting ... Tim Brown and Cris Carter didn't make the cut to 10, while Andre Reed did. This makes no sense to me. Reed was a fine player (no better than Gary Clark, though he played longer), but he wasn't at the level of the other 2.

Brown was 1st ballot deserving, he's got great special teams return numbers (top 5 all time) and WR numbers. Carter also deserves better. I can nitpick his accomplishments, but the nitpicking wasn't fair to Monk and its not fair to Carter.

For Carter and Brown to be cut out of the top 10 wasn't right.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

samson151

"....don't think you ought to be calling other people out of date."

I'm just picking a fight because I can.

Last night was the first time I ever sat down and actually watched a Super Bowl half time show.

Usually, I go to the bathroom, eat some food, yell my my children, or go fart in the wind as it blows towards my neighbors open windows.

I felt bad about missing Prince from a few years ago, and so last night, I sat still, and remained so as the music was, well, unmotivating.

If that's what the half time shows are like, I'll pass on them again---and I don't care how allegedly great the performer is.

Unless it's Prince.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"You are pretty much disrespecting one of the greatest rock bands in history. Go read their Wikipedia page and tell me they were an overrated act."


Your stated affection for The Who might make your argumentation false.

In terms of rock/r and b music, where--in your opinion, mind you-- does The Who stand, from the period of 1968 to 1979, against Clapton, Hendrix, The Stones, the Eagles, Sly and the Family Stone, Earth-Wind-Fire, the Jackson 5, the Beatles, and an asssortment of other high quality bands.

I just am not feeling them as being as great as to deserve prime time Super Bowl half time attention, is all.

And if that's an insult, well, it was to watch them last night.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 1:26 PM
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Moe,
I agree with you. Hey, Raquel Welch was hot in her day but I don't want to see her in Playboy magazine today. The Who were good in their day. That day has passed. The half time show was pathetic and embarassing.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse


So, Cork, let's say I agree with your rather condescending rant about Global Climate Change. How can you get up on your high horse when there is no proof that man is the culprit? It does seem there is something weird going on with the climate, but this has happened many times in Earth's history. What makes you so sure that this is caused by mankind or can be prevented by mankind? Do you believe in the Ice Age? It stands to reason that if there were periods of great cold in our Earth's hsitory, then there must be an opposite to that. Were the dinosaurs driving carbon monoxide/dioxide spewing vehicles around during the Cretaceous period when the average temp was higher than it us now? You know, it makes sense to curb our carbon emissions. I'm all for it. I just wish people who should be smart enough to know better would not try to draw conclusions about the current weather patterns being caused by man. There is no statistically significant evidence to support that theory. None.

Posted by: RedSkinHead


Am i the only one who worries about posters up here suggesting they understand the concept of "statistically significant evidence" ?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The Who are an over-rated English rock act, dude, get with it.

The masses know Motown, Beatles, EWF, the Eagles, Mike Jax, disco, and old school soul: get a sound scan chart and see what's still selling from back in the day, bro', before selling out about a group with no clout.

And not every entertainer has got to be a rapper just like they don't have to be a tired rock act playing 30 year old songs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse
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Dude, The Who might not be a current, hot act anymore, and frankly, poor Roger Daltrie's voice is just shot at this point, but they are in no way overrated. They were truly one of the most influential and best-selling rock bands ever. Old - yes; overrated - no.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 8, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I vote Sha-na-na for next years halftime show!! Thay are awesome and wholesome!!! Bow bow bow bow!!!!

Posted by: ocskins | February 8, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

mack, no, I meant keep his politics to himself. It had nothing to do with if I agreed with it or not....politics up here makes for a bad day...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Still shocked that the Skins kept Danny Smith. He might have good energy on the side lines, but his special team units have been terrible. They were ranked 23rd in the league and worst at net punting.

I hope the new assistant can improve the blocking schemes...

Posted by: siris | February 8, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

(The Who was not known for tight live performance even in their day.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 8, 2010 1:25 PM

I don't know about that. I saw them at Rich Stadium in Buffalo in 1982. They played Love Reign Over Me and it started to rain. It stopped when the song was over. That's some tight effects if you ask me. :)

Posted by: skinswest | February 8, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Am i the only one who worries about posters up here suggesting they understand the concept of "statistically significant evidence" ?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse


As much as I'm worried about a group of people who usually end their arguments with $nyder $ucks trying to have a healthy and logical debate about global warming or global climate change. REDSKINS INSIDER: Come here and save the world!

Posted by: sanantonioredskin | February 8, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"It stands to reason that if there were periods of great cold in our Earth's hsitory, then there must be an opposite to that."
Posted by: RedSkinHead

This doesn't sound like a very sciencey explanation.

Posted by: mack1 | February 8, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Am i the only one who worries about posters up here suggesting they understand the concept of "statistically significant evidence" ?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 1:35 PM
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I work with statistics all day long. I might know a thing or two, but you don't have to be a genius to understand what statistical significance is. Anyone who has had an entry level class in statistics should understand the concept of statistical significance.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Fleetwood Mac to play next years halftime show..


Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 8, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

As someone who considers himself a huge Springsteen, Stones, and The Who fan it's time for the NFL to get over the whole wardrobe malfunction thing and move on.

I could go for 45 minutes of Megan Fox in the bathtub.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

***not making any political statement, just a joke***

In honor of the 44th President of the United States, Baskin-Robbins Ice Cream has introduced a new flavor: "Barocky Road."

Barocky Road is a blend of half vanilla, half chocolate, and surrounded by nuts and flakes. The vanilla portion of the mix is not openly advertised and usually denied as an ingredient. The nuts and flakes are all very bitter and hard to swallow.

The cost is $100.00 per scoop.

When purchased it will be presented to you in a large beautiful cone, but after you pay for it, the ice cream is taken away and given to the person in line behind you at no charge to them.

You are left with an empty wallet and no change, holding an empty cone with no hope of getting any ice cream.

Are you stimulated?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

mack, no, I meant keep his politics to himself. It had nothing to do with if I agreed with it or not....politics up here makes for a bad day...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2010 1:41 PM

Bean if I'm wrong I apologize but it seems like you only notice when the left makes noise.

Posted by: mack1 | February 8, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"I vote Sha-na-na for next years halftime show!!"


Sha Na Na?????

Well, you got your choices, I got mine:

A Tribute to Motown Soul (think of the medley of songs)

Think of the songs folks will get to sing to:

"Poppa was a Rollin Stone"

"Soul Man"

"Signed, Sealed, Delivered..."

"Ain't No Mountain High Enough"

"ABC"

"Rockin Robin"

"I'll Be There"

"I Heard It Through The Grapevine"

I think that's enough music to get people to groove to in 30 minutes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who has had an entry level class in statistics should understand the concept of statistical significance.


Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2010 1:47 PM |
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Could you describe this statistic for me:

What percentage of climate scientists agree that there is significant evidence to support the theory that you just dismissed?

Not to be condescending or such as, but I'm defining climate scientist as someone with a PhD in that field of study.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 8, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Bean if I'm wrong I apologize but it seems like you only notice when the corky makes noise


fixed it for ya....you should be thankful...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

My problem with The Who applies to all rock bands: Once half of the original members are dead, you shouldn't call yourself by your band name anymore. The Who - Moon & Entwhistle = Daltry, Townsend and a touring band.

Talented musicians? yes but not The Who.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 8, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The Who would be like Fall Out Boy playing the halftime show in 30 years.. Average band in their day.. My predictions for the next few years..

2011 Fleetwood Mac.. another tired performance, causing NFL to rethink and go a different path.

2012 Lil Wayne and Lady Gaga.. Watching Wayne's "Stuntin like my daddy" followed up by Gaga's "Poker Face" and inevitable wardrobe malfunction cause NFL execs. more unease about newer acts.. So......

2013 Willie Nelson!?!

2014 Superbowl moves to South America and Ricky Martin revamps career with performance of "She Bangs" with William Hung..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 8, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

The Who would be like Fall Out Boy playing the halftime show in 30 years.. Average band in their day.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 8, 2010 2:05 PM

Quite possibly the dumbest thing to ever be posted. You should be ashamed of yourself and Cindy should have never let that one through.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Springsteen and Prince were the two best shows that I can remember.

Springsteen with the full gospel choir and showing he can still bring it at 60.

Purple Rain IN the rain at the Super Bowl with everyone singing along at the end and the full marching band playing??

Awesome.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 8, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who has had an entry level class in statistics should understand the concept of statistical significance.

sheesh, another requirement just to be able to post Up Here. Pretty soon I'll have to stop looking at pictures of supermodels at work.

The Who...
I have no idea what they were doing onstage last night, but listen to the Bass solo on 'My Generation' and tell me that it isn't the single most identifiable snippet of music in the last fifty years.

Posted by: daggar | February 8, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

2015- Queen with Paul Rogers on vocals.

2016 - Andrew Ridgely performing as Wham!

2017 - Journey with their asian lead singer who sounds exactly like Steve Perry. (creepy)

2018 - Dave Grohl and Chris Novocelic calling themselves Nirvana (with an asian lead singer who sounds exactly like Curt Cobain)

2018 - Digital Underground with an asian rapper who sounds exactly like Tupac.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 8, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The Who would be like Fall Out Boy playing the halftime show in 30 years.. Average band in their day.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 8, 2010 2:05 PM

Quite possibly the dumbest thing to ever be posted. You should be ashamed of yourself and Cindy should have never let that one through.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

So..um. Third Eye Blind, maaaaybe?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 8, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

From profootballweekly:

Although Lichtensteiger might not be a long-term solution at any of the interior positions, he's a striking example of what the new Redskins will favor in their linemen. The zone schemes favor quickness inside over mass, meaning a 290-pound center or sub-300-pound guard has a chance to excel in this system. The Redskins almost certainly can find players to fit this mold throughout the draft, as several interior players figure to project well to this type of scheme.

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Hopefully they'll be able to keep Clausen/Bradford upright.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 8, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea what they were doing onstage last night, but listen to the Bass solo on 'My Generation' and tell me that it isn't the single most identifiable snippet of music in the last fifty years.

Posted by: daggar | February 8, 2010 2:14 PM

Here's a poster who remembers all the music from the last fifty years. How old does that make him? I say at least 70, in which case it's questionable whether he even remembers his own name, which he can't even spell.

Single most identifiable snippet is from the Stones, "Satisfaction" or any of a dozen other snippets of theirs. Who = Why.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 8, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

2015- Queen with Paul Rogers on vocals.

2016 - Andrew Ridgely performing as Wham!

2017 - Journey with their asian lead singer who sounds exactly like Steve Perry. (creepy)

2018 - Dave Grohl and Chris Novocelic calling themselves Nirvana (with an asian lead singer who sounds exactly like Curt Cobain)

2018 - Digital Underground with an asian rapper who sounds exactly like Tupac.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 8, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Well played sir, Well played.
2016 is too funny

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 8, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Your stated affection for The Who might make your argumentation false.
In terms of rock/r and b music, where--in your opinion, mind you-- does The Who stand, from the period of 1968 to 1979, against Clapton, Hendrix, The Stones, the Eagles, Sly and the Family Stone, Earth-Wind-Fire, the Jackson 5, the Beatles, and an asssortment of other high quality bands.
I just am not feeling them as being as great as to deserve prime time Super Bowl half time attention, is all.
And if that's an insult, well, it was to watch them last night.
Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 1:26 PM

I would rate the Who as just as prominent as any of those bands you mention in rock, except maybe the Beatles. The Beatles, IMO are probably the number one band that impacted rock music. They essentially started it all and are on a pedestal of their own, no disrespect to Elvis. Clapton and Hendrix are hard to top of course from a pure talent standpoint. I like the Stones, but wouldn’t call myself a huge fan. Definitely have never liked their live shows. But again, I would put the Who right up there with them. They were all over rock radio when I was growing up, so I guess that’s why I would rate them very high.

I’m with you; they would not have been my choice for a halftime show. It was kind of sad, but I try to look past that and find that I still did enjoy it. At least Townsend didn’t smash his guitar……again, It just sounded to me like you were dismissing them as nobody’s.

As far as your idea of a Motown tribute; I would swear that they have done this before; within the last 10 years or so. Don’t know how I would find that out though….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 8, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Okay Moe, I found it:
http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/history/entertainment

It was Super Bowl 32. No song list though

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 8, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 8, 2010 2:16 PM

The Who would be like the modern day U2, Pearl Jam, or Foo Fighters, etc.

In 2011 I'd like to see Megan Fox in the bathtub for 45 minutes and maybe throw in Jessica Alba and Jessica Biel.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Could you describe this statistic for me:

What percentage of climate scientists agree that there is significant evidence to support the theory that you just dismissed?

Not to be condescending or such as, but I'm defining climate scientist as someone with a PhD in that field of study.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 8, 2010 1:58 PM
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You just validated my argument. You asked me what percentage of doctorate level scientists agree with the THEORY. I repeat, THEORY. The problem with the whole discussion is people state theories as facts. This is what the IPCC does. This is what Al Gore does. There is a big difference between theory and fact. The people who try to force the world into making changes by using leaps of faith instead of hard evidence are ultimately destroying credibility in their cause.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"They essentially started it all and are on a pedestal of their own, no disrespect to Elvis."


The Beatles started rock n roll?

To quote Dre Dre', "Hold up!"

Rock n roll itself is an african american slang term for sex from the late 1940s.

During that time, rock music was also called 'race music' and whites were afraid that it would ruin virginal white females.

The Beatles and Elvis couldn't invent what Louis Jordan and BB King and Howlin Wolf were already doing.

And give some dap to Bo Diddley for popularizing distorted guitar chords, thank you.

Jimmi Hendrix style has been copied by more than just a handful of blonde kids in garages, thank you.

And anyone who knows the origins of rock music know about a black Detla legend named Robert Johnson whose growling, guttural singing style is why white rock idols from the 1960s sign the way they do.

They are like eminem is to rap and Benny Goodman to jazz: only eminem acknowledges his indebtedness to black music.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

2015- Queen with Paul Rogers on vocals.

2016 - Andrew Ridgely performing as Wham!

2017 - Journey with their asian lead singer who sounds exactly like Steve Perry. (creepy)

2018 - Dave Grohl and Chris Novocelic calling themselves Nirvana (with an asian lead singer who sounds exactly like Curt Cobain)

2018 - Digital Underground with an asian rapper who sounds exactly like Tupac.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 8, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Well played sir, Well played.
2016 is too funny

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 8, 2010 2:19 PM
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What?? No Milli Vanilli?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

What?? No Milli Vanilli?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

2020 - Vanilli & Oates

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 8, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

There is a big difference between theory and fact. The people who try to force the world into making changes by using leaps of faith instead of hard evidence are ultimately destroying credibility in their cause.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2010 2:24 PM |
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The theory of gravity is in substantial use by scientists in fields such as aviation. And rocket science, also!

Perhaps you should let them know they are destroying their credibility?

P.S. For the record, here is a recent survey.

It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term
climate processes. The challenge, rather, appears to be how to effectively communicate this fact to policy makers and to a public that continues to mistakenly perceive debate among scientists.

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 8, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

and in 2021 in Tribut to Milli's passing..

Miley Cyrus

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 8, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Aw crap. Plymouth Rock just landed on MistaMoe.

You think people still aren't jocking The Beatles today?

Yes, Elvis and The Beatles took what black artists had been doing and made it popular but you can't deny that they took it to a level that Buddy Guy never dreamed of.

Hendrix wouldn't have been Hendrix without The Beatles and Bob Dylan and if he were alive today he would tell you so.

Rock and Roll became great through the combined efforts of black and white artists, even some latin ones (big ups to Santana).

It takes a village to make music history.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 8, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse


"They essentially started it all and are on a pedestal of their own, no disrespect to Elvis."
The Beatles started rock n roll?
To quote Dre Dre', "Hold up!"
Rock n roll itself is an african american slang term for sex from the late 1940s.
During that time, rock music was also called 'race music' and whites were afraid that it would ruin virginal white females.
The Beatles and Elvis couldn't invent what Louis Jordan and BB King and Howlin Wolf were already doing.
And give some dap to Bo Diddley for popularizing distorted guitar chords, thank you.
Jimmi Hendrix style has been copied by more than just a handful of blonde kids in garages, thank you.
And anyone who knows the origins of rock music know about a black Detla legend named Robert Johnson whose growling, guttural singing style is why white rock idols from the 1960s sign the way they do.
They are like eminem is to rap and Benny Goodman to jazz: only eminem acknowledges his indebtedness to black music.
Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 2:34 PM
Dude, what’s with you today? I said essentially. Okay my bad……..I forgot to acknowledge that the white folks didn’t invent it, and that they “stole” it. But seriously, all credit and props to the forefathers of rock/r&b. I am certainly not ignorant to that, and am aware that the Beatles and Elvis had their influences. I guess what I meant, but worded so grandstandingly (if that is a word) is that the Beatles took what was there before them, and launched it into mainstream “white America” (and England), and the rest is history. They blew it up, revolutionized it, whatever you want to call it.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 8, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else catch the irony of arguing over the halftime performance in a thread dedicated to special teams?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 8, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The Who is so old that when they started singing, Roger Daltrey, the lead vocal, sang in Latin. When they came on last night, it was time to crap, shower and shave.

Posted by: getitritegov | February 8, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The theory of gravity is in substantial use by scientists in fields such as aviation. And rocket science, also!

Perhaps you should let them know they are destroying their credibility?

P.S. For the record, here is a recent survey.

It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term
climate processes. The challenge, rather, appears to be how to effectively communicate this fact to policy makers and to a public that continues to mistakenly perceive debate among scientists.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 8, 2010 2:41 PM
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It's not the "Theory of Gravity", it's the "Newton's law of universal gravitation".

Are you sure you want to send me to a link with a URL that says "tigger" in it? Is this Pooh's theory on global warming?

http://tigger.uic.edu/~pdoran/012009_Doran_final.pdf

I read the article. 30% of those polled responded. Responses were all voluntary. It reeks of a one sided statistical analysis. I can see the group that conducted the poll: let's see, we'll poll only these scientists who belong the global warming political action committee and call it real analysis...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse


Sha Na Na?????

Well, you got your choices, I got mine:


I was kidding dude!!!!


Posted by: ocskins | February 8, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I am glad to see Mr. Grimm make it to the hall! I sure wish more hogs were in there. I know I am a little late. I am also glad to see the Redskins get some help for Mr. Smith, He needs it! Now I don`t think that I should jump into this, but I do believe that the world is heating up but I do not think it is because of man. I believe that the mega vulcanic magma is building up under the earth and is heating up the earth before it blows up! It is way overdue and this is what I think is causing global warming! That being said, It would be nice to go outside and not have to worry about cancer every time that I take a breath! Lets keep the green movement going for the children of the world! I should not have stepped into that it is sticking to my shoes.

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | February 8, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

good post dlhazel..
So, my guess, the NFL paid The Who's appearance, and CBS did not have to pay broadcast royalties on the 3 songs they already pay for on CSI.
Genius (and cheap).
Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 8, 2010 10:57 AM

I was thinking that CBS pressed really hard for it to be the Who. Next year, if NBC gets the bowl, halftime will probably be the Tonight Show band.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 8, 2010 11:03 AM
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Funny stuff dlhaze..
But keeping in line with 70 year old rockers at the SB.. It should be the Johnny Carson Tonight Show Band..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 8, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The Beatles and Elvis couldn't invent what Louis Jordan and BB King and Howlin Wolf were already doing.

And give some dap to Bo Diddley for popularizing distorted guitar chords, thank you.

Jimmi Hendrix style has been copied by more than just a handful of blonde kids in garages, thank you.

And anyone who knows the origins of rock music know about a black Detla legend named Robert Johnson whose growling, guttural singing style is why white rock idols from the 1960s sign the way they do.

They are like eminem is to rap and Benny Goodman to jazz: only eminem acknowledges his indebtedness to black music.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse
__________

Don't forget about Chuck Berry. Definitely one of the pioneers.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 8, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

BTW F-Dallas !

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | February 8, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

RSH, the methods used in the survey were described on the top of the first page.

An invitation to participate in the survey was sent to 10,257 Earth scientists.
The database was built from Keane and Martinez [2007], which lists all geosciences faculty at reporting academic institutions, along with researchers at state geologic surveys associated with local universities, and researchers at U.S. federal research facilities (e.g., U.S. Geological Survey, NASA, and NOAA (U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) facilities; U.S. Department of Energy national laboratories; and so forth).

...
With 3146 individuals completing the survey, the participant response rate for the survey was 30.7%. This is a typical response rate for Web-based surveys [Cook et al.,2000; Kaplowitz et al., 2004]. Of our survey participants, 90% were from U.S. institutions and 6% were from Canadian institutions; the remaining 4% were from institutions in 21 other nations. More than 90% of participants had Ph.D.s, and 7% had master’s degrees.

Furthermore, you said:

I just wish people who should be smart enough to know better would not try to draw conclusions about the current weather patterns being caused by man. There is no statistically significant evidence to support that theory. None.

Are you claiming these people don't understand statistics?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 8, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Next Super Bowl I vote for Run DMC or the Jacksons. Or how about this? The regular 15 minute halftime and getthe the teams back on the field and get the 3rd quarter going. Between the Halftime show and the commercials The Super Bowl is starting to get a lot like this thread, very little to do with actual sport.

Posted by: KenMarshall | February 8, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I just wish people who should be smart enough to know better would not try to draw conclusions about the current weather patterns being caused by man. There is no statistically significant evidence to support that theory. None.

Are you claiming these people don't understand statistics?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 8, 2010 3:29 PM
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Global Warming is a pork laden scam...
Every 18000 years the earth has gone through the same warming and cooling (ice age is the same 18000 year rotation).

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba230

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

And anyone who knows the origins of rock music know about a black Detla legend named Robert Johnson whose growling, guttural singing style is why white rock idols from the 1960s sign the way they do.
They are like eminem is to rap and Benny Goodman to jazz: only eminem acknowledges his indebtedness to black music.
Posted by: MistaMoe

Moe you are just racist....I've decided. If it was an over the hill used to be motown group you would be happy, just because their color

Posted by: rupertpupkin | February 8, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Global Warming is a pork laden scam...
Every 18000 years the earth has gone through the same warming and cooling (ice age is the same 18000 year rotation).

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba230

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

So lets see, you're buying what an Exxon-funded scientist is saying? I mean, Stevie Wonder could see through that and he's blind. Ray Charles cold see through that and he's dead.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I like country and my favorite artist is Darius Rucker, so I vot Hootie and Blowfish next year.........

Posted by: rupertpupkin | February 8, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

And anyone who knows the origins of rock music know about a black Detla legend named Robert Johnson whose growling, guttural singing style is why white rock idols from the 1960s sign the way they do.

They are like eminem is to rap and Benny Goodman to jazz: only eminem acknowledges his indebtedness to black music.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse
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yeah.. re Johnson.. wonder if Eric Clapton ever shared royalties with Johnson's family?
US61/US49 Clarksdale, MS

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Forget the halftime act... next season's Super Bowl will be played in Jerreh Jones' new building, which means it will be a celebration of Dallas and Jerry... unless the Skins make it, in which case we'd be faced with either winning or losing a SB in Dallas, and in either case I might blow a fuse.

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/futuresites

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 8, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse


I just wish people who should be smart enough to know better would not try to draw conclusions about the current weather patterns being caused by man. There is no statistically significant evidence to support that theory. None.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

I work with statistics all day long. I might know a thing or two, but you don't have to be a genius to understand what statistical significance is. Anyone who has had an entry level class in statistics should understand the concept of statistical significance.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Funny stuff. Entry level statistics has informed me that your aren't making much of an argument. Plenty of scientists have made statistically-based cases for global warming -- what your saying is that you don't believe them. Which I'm pretty sure is an opinion.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Winning a SB in Dallas would be awesome. The look on Jerry's face alone would be worth it,( I imagine it would look like the Geico Lizard passing a kidney stone)

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 8, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Global Warming is a pork laden scam...
Every 18000 years the earth has gone through the same warming and cooling (ice age is the same 18000 year rotation).

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba230

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

jeez, even that article doesn't make the claim that the earth operates on 18,000 year cycles. Really, if we're to pay attention to you, at least pay attention to what you are reading.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Global Warming is a pork laden scam...
Every 18000 years the earth has gone through the same warming and cooling (ice age is the same 18000 year rotation).

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba230

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

So lets see, you're buying what an Exxon-funded scientist is saying? I mean, Stevie Wonder could see through that and he's blind. Ray Charles cold see through that and he's dead.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 3:55 PM
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I have about 100 boulders strewn in my New England back yard about the size of Toyota Prius'. Every 18000 years for the last 4 billion years they get picked up again and are carried by glaciers to who knows where as each subsequent ice sheet in this 18K year cycle descends and travels as far south as CT and NY. And then the "ice age" recedes again... 18k years....Rinse and Repeat for the next gabillion years.. Its called an ice age interstitial and we are on the back end of the last one.. so it appears as a warming trend. Most scientists say we have about 600 - 1000 more years of this...and then the reversal back to another "ice age" will commence..Or, as Gore's 13x's great grandson will call it.. A Global Cooling.

No surprise the EPA obfuscates the truth.. Or else, their budget would evaporate.

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba230

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 8, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

The Super Bowl needs to forget the halftime entertainment thing completely. Its rarely been good.

Its the Super Bowl, innovate something new and different. Old acts don't interest me -- and I'm old.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I guess Country and Western music will be the half-time theme.

F Jerry too.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 8, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

3. How's that global warming working out in DC?

Glad all those people spoke about the warm, snowless DC winters unlike when they grew up. Idiots!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 8, 2010 11:46 AM

Al Gore should be prosecuted!

Posted by: abxinc | February 8, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

And anyone who knows the origins of rock music know about a black Detla legend named Robert Johnson whose growling, guttural singing style is why white rock idols from the 1960s sign the way they do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Dont forget Albert King, excellent on the guitar.

Those Musicians never hit mainstream, so they dont get their "props" from the mainstream. However, they are held in extremely high regard by the mainstream musicians. Albert King was one of them, heavily influenced legends such as Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Robbie Robertson, and later Gary Moore and Stevie Ray Vaughan, on David Bowie's 1983 release "Let's Dance", features a guitar solo copied note-for-note from his hero Albert King by young session musician Stevie Ray Vaughan

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | February 8, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

whats more boring than Special Teams Asst Coach story..... global warming..

(And SkinsNeedAGM.. you're wrong.. its 21,000 years.. not 18,000)

from

Arguing With “Global Warming” Idiots

By Jim O'Neill Sunday, December 13, 2009

http://climategatehoax.blogspot.com/2009/12/arguing-with-idiots.html

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 8, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Ashley Simpson should perform next years halftime show. She did great at the Rose or Sugar Bowl(whichever it was) a few years back.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 8, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Scientists in the last 50 years brought us all the latest and greatest to combat whatever was not good for the planet. Today, scientists are advocating the latest and greatest to combat what the earlier scientists wanted us to do.

Anyone who is connected to the UN is suspect because other than helping (very poorly I might add) with starvation of various peoples over the last 20 or so years.

Just call me a skeptic whenever I hear that a majority of all the "smart" people agree to anything.

Last night on NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC TV, there were a group of scientist looking for artifacts in Alaska and one of them made the following statement: We are looking into finding evidence that europeans weren't the first ones here (meaning North America). It made me choke on my sip of coffee and I spilt some on my lap. Hmmm, should I sue the coffee pot maker?

I just wonder what they are teaching about world history now.

Again just call me skeptical with some of the most vocal advocates of all the CLIMATE CHANGE drama....wait its changing as I look out my window now.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 8, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

By the way, theory is a scientific prove of fact. The only deliverable in a scientific theory is a fact. So far, the theory behind global warming is not a fact.

Posted by: abxinc | February 8, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, left out:

Anyone who is connected to the UN is suspect because other than helping (very poorly I might add) with starvation of various peoples over the last 20 or so years they are perhaps the most inept group in the world.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 8, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I have about 100 boulders strewn in my New England back yard about the size of Toyota Prius'. Every 18000 years for the last 4 billion years they get picked up again and are carried by glaciers to who knows where as each subsequent ice sheet in this 18K year cycle descends and travels as far south as CT and NY. And then the "ice age" recedes again... 18k years....Rinse and Repeat for the next gabillion years.. Its called an ice age interstitial and we are on the back end of the last one.. so it appears as a warming trend. Most scientists say we have about 600 - 1000 more years of this...and then the reversal back to another "ice age" will commence..Or, as Gore's 13x's great grandson will call it.. A Global Cooling.

No surprise the EPA obfuscates the truth.. Or else, their budget would evaporate.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

Repeating your claims just shows you still can't read. The author makes ZERO claims about 18,000 year cycles. NONE. ZIPPO. NADA.

Never ceases to amaze me how a person who can't read a basic opinion piece still manages to form such a strong opinion on a complex subject like climate change. Or the EPA for that matter.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

RI is super gay today, I wish something interesting would happen.

Evolution is also just a theory, like Global Warming. Really no definitive way to prove or disprove it at this point.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 8, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

The Virginia-Pilot, Norfolks daily paper headling:

Colts 31, Saints 17

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 8, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

3. How's that global warming working out in DC?

Glad all those people spoke about the warm, snowless DC winters unlike when they grew up. Idiots!

Posted by: noonefromtampa


Do you get your bullet points directly from Limbaugh, or are you just interested in helping the human race commit suicide.

Look, moron, a key symptom of Global Climate Change is more frequent and greater bizarre and dangerous weather.

That includes Category Five hurricanes which fill the entire Gulf of Mexico one year, and two or three fifty year blizzards in a month in the Atlantic States.

And if you antis could see outside your own personal, selfish xenophobic circle, you might be able to spot the Maldive Islands, which will soon be underwater, and Australia, which has been burning up the past few years due to an almost complete lack of rain.

It is unfortunate the scientists who know what's coming fought against a better tear, "Global Climate Change." The words "Global Warming" gives ignorant or uncaring Far Righties who don't give a rodent's rump about whether your or my grandkids live or die, a chance to prove their ignorance.

Posted by: TheCork | February 8, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse


Mr. Noone,

What our good friend Cork is trying to say is this:

When it gets too warm, it's because of global warming. When it gets too cold, it's because of global warming. When the temperature changes, it's because of global warming. When things go back to normal, it's because of global warming. It's bascially all because of global warming.

Don't you see the evidence is all around you? The weather is changing all the time - ergo, global warming.

You need to wise up and stop getting your bullet points from Limbaugh.

Instead you should follow Cork's lead and get you bullet points from "scientists" who fudge their numbers, change data, won't release their models to the public, and vindictively go after anyone that disagrees with their ideology.

Then you'll be on much better footing...

Posted by: p1funk | February 8, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The Virginia-Pilot, Norfolks daily paper headling:

Colts 31, Saints 17

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 8, 2010 4:49 PM
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Virginia Home Schooled.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 8, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

By the way, theory is a scientific prove of fact. The only deliverable in a scientific theory is a fact. So far, the theory behind global warming is not a fact.

Posted by: abxinc

Ignorance reigns supreme. Science has lots of deliverables that aren't facts. Facts are the preferred end product, but overwhelmingly, science lives between black and white.

The supposition that smoking is related to lung cancer and that smoking isn't addictive are classic examples. For years, the tobacco industry promoted cigarettes as healthy (if you're not familiar with the history, you'll find some suprising pitchmen). It took a long time to establish and prove the connections. People still got lung cancer and died, even before the link was considered a fact.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Never ceases to amaze me how a person who can't read a basic opinion piece still manages to form such a strong opinion on a complex subject like climate change. Or the EPA for that matter.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 4:46 PM
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ummmm zcezcest works for the EPA??
Its a Hoax..

http://climategatehoax.blogspot.com/2009/12/arguing-with-idiots.html

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 8, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse


The Virginia-Pilot, Norfolks daily paper headling:

Colts 31, Saints 17

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 8, 2010 4:49 PM
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Virginia Home Schooled.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 8, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

How could somethin' so wrong be so right? I guess the proof-reader was a COLT's fan huh? Thanx cb. My hometown newspaper.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Virginia Home Schooled.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 8, 2010 4:54 PM

I thought it was because they don't have enough money to actually teach the students in the public school system.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 8, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

--OT Tony Pashos : The 49ers will sit down with Pashos' agent at the scouting combine. Pashos has said in the past that he wants to start. The 49ers, meanwhile, are expected to draft an offensive tackle this year. In addition, Pashos' long-time offensive line coach, Chris Foerster, is now in Washington and this is expected to be a weak market for all players, including offensive tackles. The Redskins need offensive linemen, they have deeper pockets than the 49ers and they have Pashos' offensive line coach. All signs point to him playing in D.C.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/2010/02/niners-free-age-1.html

Posted by: Skins930 | February 8, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

ummmm zcezcest works for the EPA??
Its a Hoax..

http://climategatehoax.blogspot.com/2009/12/arguing-with-idiots.html

Posted by: cliftonbiz

Wow!!! A guy with blog post. It must be true. Wow!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"You asked me what percentage of doctorate level scientists agree with the THEORY. I repeat, THEORY. The problem with the whole discussion is people state theories as facts...There is a big difference between theory and fact. The people who try to force the world into making changes by using leaps of faith instead of hard evidence are ultimately destroying credibility in their cause.Posted by: RedSkinHead"

Scientific Theory: "A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena."

Scientific fact: "an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final)."

There's an old adage: Science can provide proof. But certainty is the province of religion.

The theory of evolution, for instance, is not based on faith. Neither is global warming. There is abundant evidence in support of both. The one thing that's missing is certainty.

Nonetheless, using evolution as a theoretical model, science has been able to discover much about how the natural world works.

Global warming isn't an absolute certainty. But are you willing to bet our future that they're wrong?

Now that would be a leap of faith if I ever saw one.


Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Most scientists say...

[publication by H. Sterling Burnett of the Exxon-funded National Center for Policy Analysis, dated 1997]

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 8, 2010 4:11 PM
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No, they don't say that.

Most scientists say the climate is getting warmer, and that human activity is a significant contributing factor. When this sample is further restricted to scientists whose field is climate study, the percentage rises above 95%.

The arguments I hear against this proposition range from -

Anecdotal: HA! It snowed in February, QED no global warming!

Nonsensical: I've learned about previous ice ages from scientists. This ice age knowledge I have shows that scientists don't know what they're talking about.

Dishonest: Here's a list of names, showing that there is no scientific consensus about global warming. Upon review of the list, you inevitably find journalists, economists, the local weatherman, a PhD or two on Exxon's payroll...anything but a significant number of climate scientists.

P.S. Speaking of dishonest, how about that George F. Will!

The new evidence -- including satellite data showing that the average multiyear wintertime sea ice cover in the Arctic in 2005 and 2006 was nine feet thick, a significant decline from the 1980s -- contradicts data cited in widely circulated reports by Washington Post columnist George F. Will that sea ice in the Arctic has not significantly declined since 1979.

And here's a report on that sea ice from Feb. 03, 2010.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 8, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

1. I'm 100% for not polluting (or over harvesting) our planet and destroying all life as we know it.
2. Climate change has existed since the Earth began.
3. The #1 impact on weather or climate change is the sun. #2 is volcanic activity.
4. There is no scientific evidence to support either side of this argument. It's the pro-choice debate of science.
5. People get way to worked up over this because we all will be dead before anything major happens.
6. 2012 may just wipe us all out anyway
7. Where can I get me some barocky road? that was the best one this week on this or any blog
8. Get someone who will actually play and sing at the Super Bowl for the halftime show.
9. 50-50 shot at new CBA agreement between NFL and NFLPA by end of month. Extends 2-3 years trades rookie wage scale for improved funding for retired players. Give everyone a couple more years to work out major issues without destroying what's in place today.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 8, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

If they insist on having live entertainment at the SB halftime, how about giving that slot to the winner of the Grambling-Southern Battle of the Bands? Football and marching bands are a perfect combination, like, say, women's bottoms and panties.

Plus a halftime show from one of those would probably be far cheaper than any of these mega-acts they have... and most importantly, it would definitely be entertaining.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 8, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

10. Donte Stallworth is now available
11. 6-8 inches more snow tomorrow, suckers!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 8, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

After writing that, it occurs to me that perhaps there isn't really a "winner" in the annual Battle of the Bands at the Bayou Classic. I'm not even sure how it works. But if there were a winner declared, that could determine the SB halftime act. Coin flip, whatever it takes...

Seriously, we all need more fun in our lives... who could argue with a bunch of college kids putting on a completely kick-ass halftime show? It would be the opposite of whatever it was that happened involving the Who last night.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 8, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I guess this makes me a genuine old fart, but I really enjoyed the halftime show. So did my kids. The Who is the Truth and no joke.

Posted by: VegasJim | February 8, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I love the Who, VegasJim, but I thought there was something unshakably weird about their set...

Part of it was their isolation on an island surrounded by that goofy UFO of lights. There was no connection to the stadium; they could have been anywhere. Plus the synching stuff which several people have noted, which made me wonder how much of it was canned.

All in all, it was a big letdown, especially after Bruce and the E Street Band absolutely killed it last year.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 8, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Contrary to media reports Antarctic sea ice continues to expand. Ice totals for November 2009 are significantly higher than 1979 when measurements began. The main stream media concentrates on a couple of small areas of the Antarctic in order to scare you in to believing that Antarctica is melting, when in fact its gaining ice. This same group also thinks Jason Campbell is an NFL starting QB.

From the National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado

Since measurements began in 1979 antarctic sea ice has continued to expand, contrary to what the news media would have you believe. We bring this information to you month after month and still there is no sign of the main stream media picking up on the story. They continue to discuss the relatively small areas of the Western Antarctic Peninsula that are melting due to changes in ocean currents.

You may have heard that some of the “computer models” predicted increases in antarctic ice, but they predicted increased “interior ice” due to increased snow fall. None of the models predicted increased sea ice around the antarctic. Yet that is what we have, more sea ice in November of 2009 than what we had in November of 1979 when measurements began. This is highly significant yet hardly anyone in the main stream media (MSM) is talking about it.

Sea ice is much different than interior ice. Some of the computer models predicted increased ice over the interior of antarctic. If you've ever lived in the extreme cold temperature regions you already understand the reason why. When it gets very cold the air become drier and it snows less, as the temperature warms towards freezing it actually snows more. Since the antarctic rarely even gets close to freezing its understandable that warming would cause more snow fall. Over time compacted snow would lead to more ice. But that is not what is happening here. We're seeing increases in “sea ice”, this ice is over the ocean. Sea ice is caused by colder temperatures, not by increased snow fall. But we hear nothing from either the MSM or the scientific community. Especially compared to the out 6%-7% decrease at the arctic (this isn't year over year, this is a 6% decline since 1980!).

Antarctic Sea Ice for November

Extent Concentration
2009 16.3 million sq km 11.6 million sq km
1995 16.0 million sq km 11.4 million sq km
1979 15.9 million sq km 11.2 million sq km

This continues a long trend of increasing sea ice that has been noted here for several months.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 8, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, a few takes on the Super Bowl.

The Colts had just 5 possessions in the games first 43 minutes, scoring 2 TDs and 1 FG. The FG came on a 4th and 5, one play after a 5 yard penalty. The 2 drives that ended without a score. One was the 3 and out that started from the goal line inside 2 minutes in the 1st half -- they weren't trying to score on that drive. Lots of people didn't like that, but I thought both coaches did it right. The other drive ended on a Pierre Garcon drop. That was the 3rd most important play in the game, behind the onside kick and the pick 6.

In other words, the Colts had 17 points on just 5 possessions thru 43 minutes. The Saints defense didn't stop the Colts offense as much as the Colts stopped themselves.

The Saints defense wasn't very good until the 4th quarter. They played great in the 4th.

Colston dropped the 1st throw to him. After that, he was Art Monk. It was the connection between Brees and Colston that got the Saints offense in synch. Its why possession receivers are so valuable. Colston and Garrett Hartley were the Saints unsung heros. Hartley replaced John Carney mid-season (I know ths because I had to replace Carney on my FF team) and no way Carney kicks those longer FGs.

Glad to see GG getting a ring. Guy was very good here and made a huge difference in New Orleans. Things did work out for the best -- I'm guessing Dan Snyder noticed that too.

Best moment of the game for me was watching the end zone fans going wild during the pick 6.

Abe Vigoda hasn't changed since he did Barney Miller.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

The NFL had a chance to use Motown acts in Detroit a few years ago but went with the Stones instead. I love the Who and the Stones but they really need to go in another direction. At least the Who had a decent light show to distract somewhat from their age etc., unlike the stones. They must be running out of ancient rock bands by now.

Posted by: skinswest | February 8, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

The talent or bands have nothing to do with the light show and production....

Posted by: leevi98 | February 8, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Idiocracy is prophecy. This place now sucks.

Posted by: mack1 | February 8, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

DC, you have been saved. Obama is going to start a new agency to study and report on the changing weather er ah climate. There will be 6 regional offices to cover the entire country.

Break out them gaudy shorts and grills for steaks this week.

LMAO

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 8, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

cliftonbiz, I'm smacking myself in the knee with a hammer for stepping into this stupid, pointless debate, but I visited the website of the organization to which the quote you posted was attributed, and I can't find that quote or anything like it on their site:
http://nsidc.org/index.html

Care to provide a link?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 8, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

nate,

step away from the debate, save your brain cells for something important like the combine or a pro day

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 8, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Odds are that Danny SMith's will be here beyond next year??

100,000:1

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 8, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Extent Concentration
2009 16.3 million sq km 11.6 million sq km
1995 16.0 million sq km 11.4 million sq km
1979 15.9 million sq km 11.2 million sq km

This continues a long trend of increasing sea ice that has been noted here for several months.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 8, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse
___________

None of you really know what the heck you're talking about, so why doesn't everyone just focus on, let's see, sports and the Redskins? How's that sound?

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 8, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

nate,

step away from the debate, save your brain cells for something important like the combine or a pro day

Posted by: noonefromtampa

Nate, you might want to listen to Tampa. He entered the debate and all it proved was that he was missing brain cells.

Tampa -- did you watch the shuttle night launch? Always wanted to go see one of them in person.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

None of you really know what the heck you're talking about, so why doesn't everyone just focus on, let's see, sports and the Redskins? How's that sound?

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 8, 2010 6:25 PM

Problem is that none of them know anything about sports or the Redskins either.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Abe Vigoda hasn't changed since he did Barney Miller.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Still looks like Tessio to me...where's Clemenza?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 8, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Casserly broke this down yesterday..

Peyton Manning's contract is up. He could have a contract worth 110 million with a 50 million dollar signing bonus!!!!!

...and worth every penny! PAY THE MAN!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 8, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"We knew we would need someone with a lot of energy to keep up with Danny Smith, and Richard is that kind of coach." -- Mike Shanahan

We need a coach to keep up with a coach?

Isn't that what, you know, PLAYERS are for?

Posted by: farstriker | February 8, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | February 8, 2010 6:39 PM

Brees's contract as well. He just added about 3-5 mil more per year to his new deal.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

3. How's that global warming working out in DC?

Glad all those people spoke about the warm, snowless DC winters unlike when they grew up. Idiots!

Posted by: noonefromtampa


Do you get your bullet points directly from Limbaugh, or are you just interested in helping the human race commit suicide.

Look, moron, a key symptom of Global Climate Change is more frequent and greater bizarre and dangerous weather.

That includes Category Five hurricanes which fill the entire Gulf of Mexico one year, and two or three fifty year blizzards in a month in the Atlantic States.

And if you antis could see outside your own personal, selfish xenophobic circle, you might be able to spot the Maldive Islands, which will soon be underwater, and Australia, which has been burning up the past few years due to an almost complete lack of rain.

It is unfortunate the scientists who know what's coming fought against a better tear, "Global Climate Change." The words "Global Warming" gives ignorant or uncaring Far Righties who don't give a rodent's rump about whether your or my grandkids live or die, a chance to prove their ignorance.

Posted by: TheCork | February 8, 2010 1:08 PM

Gee, I'm glad we got Cork "The Lefty Regurgitator" to school us on what all the left leaning scientists that started with a conclussion and backwards engineered their "facts." Didn't realize you were a climate expert. The truth is that all these a$$clown scientists have a bias and therefore "prove" what they want the answer to be. These people have as much clue about this whole thing as Cork does. He just swallows left wing BS like it's his boyfriends...well you get it. Why don't you get off Gore's nuts and give it a rest.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Not enough time in the day to read all of this but I gotta throw out a few things about halftime:

1) I love the Who. Anyone who thinks they were not one of the greatest acts in the history of music in the last 30 years of the century is nuts.

2) The group touring these days is not the Who. Pete Townshend and Roger Daltrey have the right to do what they want but let's be real.

3) Musically, the show was okay at best. I agree that the famous Daltrey scream on "Won't Get Fooled Again" was taped, since we didn't see him do it. But visually that show was awesome, and that made it worthwhile.

4) In the end, why are we putting this much significance on the whole thing? It's not like the NFL is trying to stake a claim for being musical trend setters. They're trying to make a few bucks and keep us from changing the channel to watch the Linger, er, the Puppy Bowl. So, mission accomplished.

5) Bring back Wham.

That's all.

P.S. If Grimm goes to Canton, what about Joe Jacoby?

Posted by: baltova1 | February 8, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Hate to interrupt all the brain killing science talk... but what does anybody think about signing Stallworth?

I figure he will come fairly cheap, and will be inspired to achieve redemption.

Immediate upgrade over ARE, in the very least, and he presents an experienced WO to allow 'Tana to move in the slot. You wouldn't have have to count on both 11 and 12 enabling 89 going inside.

I figure he would welcome a chance to work with Shanahan and McCardell.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 8, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

OK, let me try something else...

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NJ police officer hurt in shootout at go-go bar

Essex County Sheriff Armando Fontoura said Zackery was "fortunate to be alive'' after being shot at close range and attributed the officer's survival to him being a "workout fiend'' who once played football for the Washington Redskins and the Montreal Alouettes.

http://www.app.com/article/20100208/NEWS03/100208081/NJ-police-officer-hurt-in-shootout-at-go-go-bar

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and something to read that is not on the topic of global warming...

http://www.csnwashington.com/02/08/10/Redskins-Soon-Will-Stop-Evaluating-Start/landing_redskins.html?blockID=177292&feedID=272

Posted by: Skins930 | February 8, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

The truth is that all these a$$clown scientists have a bias and therefore "prove" what they want the answer to be. These people have as much clue about this whole thing as Cork does. He just swallows left wing BS like it's his boyfriends...well you get it. Why don't you get off Gore's nuts and give it a rest.

Posted by: scampbell1975

So why is that scientists funded by Exxon-Mobil seem to be so widely used for the anti-global warming campaign? Do you really believe they don't have skin in they game?

The one argument that makes me laugh the most is the idea that the scientists got together to create this issue. Anyone who thinks that hasn't spent much time with scientists. Group think and organization aren't exactly in their wheelhouse.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

So why is that scientists funded by Exxon-Mobil seem to be so widely used for the anti-global warming campaign? Do you really believe they don't have skin in they game?

The one argument that makes me laugh the most is the idea that the scientists got together to create this issue. Anyone who thinks that hasn't spent much time with scientists. Group think and organization aren't exactly in their wheelhouse.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 7:24 PM

I'm actually speaking about both sides of the argument. That tirade was just directed at one person for taking one side. I don't really know which side to believe. Medicine and science almost always contradict themselves at some point.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Medicine and science almost always contradict themselves at some point.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Reminds me of the movie Sleeper, where Woody Allen awakes 200 years in the future and two doctors are discussing his diet.


Dr. Melik:
[T]his morning for breakfast, uh, he requested something called wheat germ, organic honey, and tiger's milk.
Doctor:
Oh yes. Those are the charmed substances that some years ago were thought to contain life preserving properties.
Dr. Melik:
You mean there was no deep fat? No steak, or cream pies, or hot fudge?
Doctor:
Those were thought to be unhealthy. Precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

You got it. Remember the great egg debate? How about milk? The supposed risks and benefits change every 3 years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

scamp,
Surely, you are referring to the age old question: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

But what does milk have to do with it? You either got it or you don't.

Regarding the ice debate, I prefer mine shaved. Using Greenland as an example I get:

.4 × 106 km3 Gin
.26 × 106 km3 Contreau
.2 × 106 km3 Campari
.5 × 106 km3 Lemon Juice
2.6 × 106 km3 Greenland Ice Cap

Now I just need to find a really big shaker.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 8, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

scamp,
Surely, you are referring to the age old question: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

But what does milk have to do with it? You either got it or you don't.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 8, 2010 8:21 PM

Funny but no. I refer to how first egg were great for you, then they were bad for you, now they're good for you as long as it's only the whites. Same with milk...too much fat, now lowfat helps you loose weight, blah blah blah.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

"Moe you are just racist....I've decided."

Red says I'm an oreo.

Rupert says I'm a racist.

All I was trying to do is stir up the pot a lil bit to get some chatta flowin' in an otherwise dull day in RI Land.

Oh well: mebbe tomorrow Rotfrau will declare that I'm an anti-Semite--that way, he'll have some company.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Will Someone please finish this bad joke:

Valentine's Day is coming and I don't know what to get the wife (or my girlfriend, for that matter).

The wife wants romance.

The girl on the side wants her bills paid.

The wife wants cards and flowers.

The girl on the side wants hotel room love over the space of an hour's lunch on a Tuesday.

The wife wants to spend time alone discussing the years we've spent together.

The girl on the side wants a quickie sex act in my window-tinted car in the parking lot and, afterwards, time in the mall, credit card in tow.

Of course, when I tell the girl on the side I want to spend some quiet time enjoying her presence, she loses it.

"Spend quiet time together?" she balks. "Who do you think I am, your wife?"

"No, I was thinking that you were...(INSERT somewhat humorous line here.)"

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 8:42 PM

"No, I was thinking that you were...going to bore the pants off me with your political insight, thoughts on global warming, or "who" should play the halftime show in 2011..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"No, I was thinking that you were...going to bore the pants off me with your political insight, thoughts on global warming, or "who" should play the halftime show in 2011.."


You may have saved that bad joke from a deserved death.

I'm quite sure there will be other offerings.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 8:56 PM

Just trying to recap this uneventful day on RI.

Truth be told if the girl on the side is takin care of buiness it should be very hard for her to talk..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

You knowed the Saints was going to win when a shot of a fan holding a "Who Dat ..." sign sequed into the Who's halftime performance.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 8, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Truth be told if the girl on the side is takin care of buiness it should be very hard for her to talk..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Damm, diesel that's a mouthful. Yee-Haw good buddy. Say.........where to set my beer?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

After looking at how NO put together their supposedly sterling o-line, thought I'd do the same for the Colts:

Left Tackle: Charlie Johnson ('06, 6th round)
Left Guard: Ryan Lilja (waived by KC, '04)
Center: Saturday (FA from Balt, '99)
Right Guard: DeVan (FA '09 after being waived by Washington)
Right Tackle: Ryan Diem ('01, 4th round)

Their two recent high choices, Tony Ugoh and Pollack, 2nd rounders in '07/ 'O8 are backups.

There's a lesson in there somewhere.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Shall I stir things up with my trade list again? POR............oh, never-mind. Congrats to RUSS GRIMM. Way past due for the hogs to get some recognition. GO 'SKINS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

There's a lesson in there somewhere.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 9:07 PM

True, until you do the same kind of research for the best OL in the NFL Bar None, the J-E-T-S.

You can site an example for just about anything to prove your own point. See I just did it.

Just like I could say...a 2nd round draft pick that was an afterthought in SD and could have signed anywhere beat the Greek god of QBs in the super bowl.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

From the NYT:

"But that assumption took a fairly sustained beating on Yahoo’s Shine site this past week. The Web site, an online community aimed at women, posted an item wondering aloud why the cover of Vanity Fair’s “New Hollywood” issue depicted only up and comers who happened to be white."

Hey MistaMoe, why don't you post a rant about this injustice?

Posted by: PsyOps | February 8, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 9:07 PM |

We all know it is 75% QB and 25% OL despite the repeated efforts of knuckleheads on this blog who mindnumbingly chant "Build the OL, Build the OL".

Posted by: PsyOps | February 8, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 9:07 PM |

We all know it is 75% QB and 25% OL despite the repeated efforts of knuckleheads on this blog who mindnumbingly chant "Build the OL, Build the OL".

Posted by: PsyOps | February 8, 2010 9:25 PM |

I believe our 3 SuperBowl winning teams contradict what you are saying.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

We all know it is 75% QB and 25% OL despite the repeated efforts of knuckleheads on this blog who mindnumbingly chant "Build the OL, Build the OL".

Posted by: PsyOps | February 8, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

"We" know nothing of the sort. Don't confuse your uninformed opinion with the opinions of others.

Posted by: rbpalmer | February 8, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

We all know it is 75% QB and 25% OL despite the repeated efforts of knuckleheads on this blog who mindnumbingly chant "Build the OL, Build the OL".

Posted by: PsyOps | February 8, 2010 9:25 PM |

I believe our 3 SuperBowl winning teams contradict what you are saying.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2010 9:34 PM

So RB, TE, WR account for ZERO. What would PsyOps do?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

"Hey MistaMoe, why don't you post a rant about this injustice?"

You got jokes, eh?

You know what's so funny, bro'?: I'd read that note about Vanity Fair magazine and the tv show "The Bachelor" (someone pointed out the show has never had a black dude bachelor or a host of sistas as contestants) earlier in the day.

I will say I reserve the rants for important things like booty, puzzy, head, and the all important failure to stock the redskin o-line with studs.

And for that last concern, it really doesn't matter if they are black or white.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Is there anyone here that thinks Jason Reid would ever have the chops to get Russ Grimm into the Hall of Fame?

Posted by: Agree2Disagree

is there anyone here that think people like A2D are only happy when they're doing their damnedest to eviscerate anyone given the obviously thankless task of handling RI?

Posted by: mdrockjock | February 8, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

So RB, TE, WR account for ZERO. What would PsyOps do?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 9:39 PM |

Does it have to add up to 100%? Is 110% acceptable?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"Congrats to RUSS GRIMM. Way past due for the hogs to get some recognition. GO 'SKINS."


Amen to all of that.

So who introduces Grimm at the HOF?

Gibbs: mebbe.

Riggins: naw, I'll pass.

Bugel: probably.

Cody: that would be emotional.

Bostic, May, Starke, Jacoby: that's a lot of guys speaking for a big man.

Theisman: hope not, the speeches only go but for so long.


Moe goes with Bugel.

Buges belongs in the Hall as he's the godfather of offensive line that made the 300 pound power blocking linemen the league staple.

Buges introduces Grimm makes sense.

So who introduces Chris Samuels......

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

You know what's so funny, bro'?: I'd read that note about Vanity Fair magazine and the tv show "The Bachelor" (someone pointed out the show has never had a black dude bachelor or a host of sistas as contestants) earlier in the day.

I will say I reserve the rants for important things like booty, puzzy, head, and the all important failure to stock the redskin o-line with studs.

And for that last concern, it really doesn't matter if they are black or white.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 9:40 PM |

It doesn't matter because I'm sure that show would suck regardless. Besides, what about Flavor of Love?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to RUSS GRIMM. Way past due for the hogs to get some recognition. GO 'SKINS."

Amen to all of that.

So who introduces Grimm at the HOF?

Gibbs: mebbe.

Riggins: naw, I'll pass.

Bugel: probably.

Cody: that would be emotional.

Bostic, May, Starke, Jacoby: that's a lot of guys speaking for a big man.

Theisman: hope not, the speeches only go but for so long.


Moe goes with Bugel.

Buges belongs in the Hall as he's the godfather of offensive line that made the 300 pound power blocking linemen the league staple.

Buges introduces Grimm makes sense.

So who introduces Chris Samuels......

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 9:48 PM |

...and the award goes to Moe. Joe Bugel is indeed the man inducting Grimm into the Hall.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2010 9:46 PM

110% is for b!tches and quitters. Are you holding out scamp, quit 1/2 azzing it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

You know what's so funny, bro'?: I'd read that note about Vanity Fair magazine and the tv show "The Bachelor" (someone pointed out the show has never had a black dude bachelor or a host of sistas as contestants) earlier in the day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 9:48 PM

No brothers on Jersey Shore either, now that is some sh!t.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

http://blog.taragana.com/sports/2010/02/06/former-redskins-lineman-russ-grimm-says-hall-of-fame-selection-a-great-day-in-my-life-73131/

Towards the end it says that Grimm has asked Bugel to be the inductor.

...and diesel, I have quit a lot of sh!t in my day but nothing that mattered.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I always kind-a-liked Raleigh MacKenzie ... a guy who really could play tackle as well as perform all-pro at guard. And then there's Ray Brown ...

Grimm, Schlereth ... great and very good at guard. Ralph Tam? George Starke, Mark May?

Jacoby and Bostic lasted a long time and even crippled up and unable to go a 16 game season they could still come into a game and instantly change its complexion. Suddenly, the Hogs were back.

Then came the bookends, Samuels and Jansen.


Even with just one of the above the current offensive line would be dramatically improved ... even with the worst of that bunch.

Posted by: periculum | February 8, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I believe our 3 SuperBowl winning teams contradict what you are saying.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2010 9:34 PM |

Them teams played in an ancient age, back afore there were an internet, which to us young'uns is prehistory.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 8, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

"We" know nothing of the sort. Don't confuse your uninformed opinion with the opinions of others.

Posted by: rbpalmer | February 8, 2010 9:38 PM |

Oops! Someone peed in his Kool-Aid!

Posted by: PsyOps | February 8, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I remember when RAY BROWN went to SAN FRAN. The o-line play went way-y-y down the next year. That's when GIBBS knew his days were numbered in WASHINGTON.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Only fitting that JOE BUGEL should have the intro. for the first hog in. The man who coined the name.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

The original hogs were JACOBY, GRIMM, J. BOSTIC, MAY and STARKE a "Hold"-over from GEORGE ALLEN days, right? I put "hold" in quotes because STARKE was good for two penalties a game. You could bank it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Super Bowl News Flash:

Sean Payton = Jim Zorn + good offensive line

Vinny Cerrato - Thanks SO MUCH for the years of hapless teams - you'd better find another line of work.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | February 8, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Grimm gave all the credit to Bugel and to his Redskins teammates.

“The success I had as a player, or the career I had as a player, is often based on the guys you play beside, the guys you play with,” he said. Playing on the offensive line, you’re only as good as your weakest guy up front. I was blessed to play with a lot of guys for a long time.”

******
I'm among those who subscribe to that weakest link theory

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm among those who subscribe to that weakest link theory

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

You and everybody else that's been watching REDSKINS football the past several years. Let's fire up the tar kettle, and shoot some geese while searching for the "bag-man." Order up the pillory in the square. We'll put the fool on display when we're done with him.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I vote for the Hollies and CCR next super bowl...

Long Tall Woman In A Black Dress...the best driving song there is....Going down the highway in my twin stack, black smoke just a pouring out in a long stream....start at 65 and end up at 120..works best in west texas and arizong...long stretches with little to no traffic after midnight.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 8, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

You and everybody else that's been watching REDSKINS football the past several years. Let's fire up the tar kettle, and shoot some geese while searching for the "bag-man." Order up the pillory in the square. We'll put the fool on display when we're done with him.

Posted by: glawrence007

I sure would like to see the world thru your eyes, for about 20 minutes.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007

I sure would like to see the world thru your eyes, for about 20 minutes.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2010 11:52 PM

Not sure you could do it Zeke. Glawerence’s eyes are glazed over and blood shot red from all his homemade moonshine. He'll take you for a ride but his door is busted and you'll have to climb thru the window and Daisy Duke is his dog. Cooter is his old lady and she would rather work on your car compared to your undercarriage.

He could probably give you Enus’s number but that rhymes with anus and you know what he's all about. Roscoe P. Coletrain will catch you sleeping if you fall in to my buddy’s trap again.

Now Boss Hog it out of here and Waylon Jennings for the halftime show in 2011. Yeeee Haaaaaw!

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 9, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

per Don Banks at SI -- and why Snyder should have hired GG Williams:

More than anyone else, NFL players trust fellow NFL players. So whenever a coach is hired around the league, his new players get on the phone and check him out even before meeting him. Like Saints linebacker Scott Fujita did when the club hired defensive coordinator Gregg Williams last offseason.

"I knew his rep a little bit,'' Fujita told me last week. "When I heard we hired him, I called (Redskins defensive end) Andre Carter, who was one of my best friends at Cal, and who had played for him in Washington. I said 'What's the scoop on this guy?' Andre said "I'd play for him any day,' and that's all I needed to hear.''

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 9, 2010 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Nonetheless, using evolution as a theoretical model, science has been able to discover much about how the natural world works.

Global warming isn't an absolute certainty. But are you willing to bet our future that they're wrong?

Now that would be a leap of faith if I ever saw one.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 5:24 PM
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I heard the exact same thing said about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. When you proceed with actions that respond to theory or conjecture, you run the risk of making the problem worse.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, you are one sick twist. Fall out of my truck, and keep your hands off DAISY. And trade PORTIS. We need picks.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 9, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Super Bowl News Flash:

Sean Payton = Jim Zorn + good offensive line

Vinny Cerrato - Thanks SO MUCH for the years of hapless teams - you'd better find another line of work.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | February 8, 2010 10:35 PM
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Are you nucking futs????

Jim Zorn + good offensive line = stupid and inconsistent play calling with better blocking

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Idiocracy is prophecy. This place now sucks.

Posted by: mack1


Considering your numerous posts on this thread, I'd say you nailed one on the head here buddy!


Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Any word on a new training staff Jason or Cindy?

Or did I miss that thread?

Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Has any1 heard from League-Source since 'Snowmageddon'?

Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Coming up next, on the Days of Our Lives, starring Clinton Portis...

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Global Warming? Evolution? Rock and Roll?

Must be the Offseason!

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

After looking at how NO put together their supposedly sterling o-line, thought I'd do the same for the Colts:

Left Tackle: Charlie Johnson ('06, 6th round)
Left Guard: Ryan Lilja (waived by KC, '04)
Center: Saturday (FA from Balt, '99)
Right Guard: DeVan (FA '09 after being waived by Washington)
Right Tackle: Ryan Diem ('01, 4th round)

Their two recent high choices, Tony Ugoh and Pollack, 2nd rounders in '07/ 'O8 are backups.

There's a lesson in there somewhere.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse


The lesson is that when you have a great QB - a guy who can read defenses, get on rhythm w/ receivers, get rid of the ball on time - then you don't need a cast of Pro-Bowlers on the Oline.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Super Bowl News Flash:

Sean Payton = Jim Zorn + good offensive line


Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | February 8, 2010 10:35 PM


RI News Flash:

SkinsFan2111 = donkey + internet connection

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

You know, after reading so many of Clinton Portis' slams on players both former and current, I really don't care if he returns to pro-bowl form because he needs to go regardless. If this guy is saying garbage like this in the media, then what is he saying in the locker room? CP has become a cancer. The players know he is the owner's pet sycophant, and they don't want to be around a guy like that. Please, Mike Shanahan, just get rid of him. The best thing you could do with the situation is cut him early and quickly so the players understand you won't condone players who behave like that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"It doesn't matter because I'm sure that show would suck regardless. Besides, what about Flavor of Love?"

It's my understanding that sucking is a requirement for any girl hoping to participate on that show.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

After this latest piece of evidence that Portis and "team player" will never be as one. I think that it would not only be in the best inerest of the TEAM but also for Clinton to start over, fresh on a new squad to prove himself. But alas his MONSTROUSITY OF A CONTRACT IS A HUGE FACTOR.

Posted by: sthai75 | February 9, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Has any1 heard from League-Source since 'Snowmageddon'?

Posted by: Vicc | February 9, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse


LS may not have power.

I've got friends on the other side of town who have been without power since Friday.

As if the first 2 feet of snow wasn't enough, DC area is now bracing for another 10-20 inches that is supposed to start falling today...

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 11:11 PM

I remember after big plays waiting to see if I would hear "Holding No. 74" before getting too excited. Starke could block but he just seemed to get called for holding at the wrong times.

Posted by: will_ga | February 9, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

The lesson is that when you have a great QB - a guy who can read defenses, get on rhythm w/ receivers, get rid of the ball on time - then you don't need a cast of Pro-Bowlers on the Oline.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps if they had a few pro bowlers on the line Peyton would not have been pressured into throwing the geme ending pick 6?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 9, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

"As if the first 2 feet of snow wasn't enough, DC area is now bracing for another 10-20 inches that is supposed to start falling today..."


This is heartfelt.

Y'all take care in all that snow.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

The lesson is that when you have a great QB - a guy who can read defenses, get on rhythm w/ receivers, get rid of the ball on time - then you don't need a cast of Pro-Bowlers on the Oline.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps if they had a few pro bowlers on the line Peyton would not have been pressured into throwing the geme ending pick 6?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 9, 2010 9:39 AM
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Let's not start this tired debate again, please? Let's agree that Campbell is no Manning, and the Colts' offensive line is light years better than what the Redskins put on the field last season, okay? Like it or not, I have a strong feeling Campbell will be with the Redskins next season - even if the team recklessly drafts a QB first - so we are going to have to live with old Scattergun Campbell for at least one more season. He'll be a better quarterback with a better offensive line, because, as you have pointed out, he is no Manning.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"...after reading so many of Clinton Portis' slams on players both former and current, I really don't care if he returns to pro-bowl form because he needs to go regardless."

Portis is a dysfunctional personality blessed with highly functioning skills when he's on.

Thing is, all he's been on is a rag for the past few months.

And as much as some of us would like to see him gone, his contract guarantees he'll be a team member this Fall.

It'll be interesting to see how he mends fences with the very same people he is supposed to 'do battle' with come game time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Sean Payton = Jim Zorn + good offensive line
I'll wait while someone Up Here goes and gets me some evidence of Jim Zorn's strategic or tactical brilliance in any phase of the head coach/offensive coordinator position. Anything, really, anything.

...why Snyder should have hired GG Williams
Just don't get this either. I know many people would like Snyder to go away, but since that isn't happening it doesn't make sense to claim that if he'd just hired this one guy that he personally loathed, that everything would be alright and we'd be marching into the playoffs.

Posted by: unfrozencavemanblogger1 | February 9, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I haven't posted in a while, taking a off season rest if you will, until things get fun.

But I would like to welcome, lil'Dicky Hightower to the team.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

And as much as some of us would like to see him gone, his contract guarantees he'll be a team member this Fall.

It'll be interesting to see how he mends fences with the very same people he is supposed to 'do battle' with come game time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2010 10:11 AM
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With no salary cap, I don't think you can write Portis off as being safe. True, the team will lose money, but that hasn't been an issue with other players that didn't pan out.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 9, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

You know what's so funny, bro'?: I'd read that note about Vanity Fair magazine and the tv show "The Bachelor" (someone pointed out the show has never had a black dude bachelor or a host of sistas as contestants) earlier in the day.

I will say I reserve the rants for important things like booty, puzzy, head, and the all important failure to stock the redskin o-line with studs.

And for that last concern, it really doesn't matter if they are black or white.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Hello.. Um.. "Flavor of Love"

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 9, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Sean Payton = Jim Zorn + good offensive line
I'll wait while someone Up Here goes and gets me some evidence of Jim Zorn's strategic or tactical brilliance in any phase of the head coach/offensive coordinator position. Anything, really, anything.
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I wonder if some people actually look at game film or not. Ok - here's the evidence: in 2008, Zorn had a decent, not great, OL for the first 8 games. In those games, he went 6-2, beating Dallas, Philly, New Orleans, and Arizona.

The typical response to this is, "Oh, the teams hadn't gotten use to his play calling yet. After 8 games, they had enough film on him to know what he was going to call - thus the 2-6 finish for 2008." Well, that is one possible answer, but not the accurate answer.

If you look at the film for the first 8 games, Campbell was getting 3 to 4 seconds in the pocket and Portis was getting running lanes. In the last 8 games of 2008 and all of the 2009 games (except OAK & NO), Campbell was getting less the 2.5 seconds in the pocket, and there were very few running lanes for our running backs.

My original point was that Zorn is very similar to Sean Payton in many ways (i.e., Payton's gamble at the beginning of the second half of the SuperBowl), and given a good OL the would have been competitive.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | February 9, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Sean Payton = Jim Zorn + good offensive line
I'll wait while someone Up Here goes and gets me some evidence of Jim Zorn's strategic or tactical brilliance in any phase of the head coach/offensive coordinator position. Anything, really, anything.
========================================
I wonder if some people actually look at game film or not. Ok - here's the evidence: in 2008, Zorn had a decent, not great, OL for the first 8 games. In those games, he went 6-2, beating Dallas, Philly, New Orleans, and Arizona.

The typical response to this is, "Oh, the teams hadn't gotten use to his play calling yet. After 8 games, they had enough film on him to know what he was going to call - thus the 2-6 finish for 2008." Well, that is one possible answer, but not the accurate answer.

If you look at the film for the first 8 games, Campbell was getting 3 to 4 seconds in the pocket and Portis was getting running lanes. In the last 8 games of 2008 and all of the 2009 games (except OAK & NO), Campbell was getting less the 2.5 seconds in the pocket, and there were very few running lanes for our running backs.

My original point was that Zorn is very similar to Sean Payton in many ways (i.e., Payton's gamble at the beginning of the second half of the SuperBowl), and given a good OL the Skins would have been competitive.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | February 9, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

gotcha

Posted by: League-Source | February 12, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

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