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Redskins Prepping for Steelers (Updated)

After a day off, the Redskins return to the field this morning to begin preparations for their second preseason game Saturday against the Pittsburgh Steelers at FedEx Field.

The Baltimore Ravens routed the Redskins, 23-0, and gained 500 net yards on offense Thursday night at M&T Bank Stadium. Coach Jim Zorn was pleased with the pass protection the first-team offensive line provided for quarterback Jason Campbell, but little else prompted him to smile as he reviewed the team's first game tape of the season.

Zorn was especially miffed that many young players competing to make the opening 53-man roster did not display the effort and passion he expected. The second practice of the day will focus on special teams and will begin at 2 p.m.

I'm working on something about cornerback Justin Tryon's struggles in pass coverage against the Ravens. I'll also try to catch up with my guy, Big Mike Williams, who aggravated an abdominal injury in the game. We'll find out what else is going on out there and will update you.

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Practice is underway. No pads, according to @RickMaese's tweets. Santana Moss is practicing, as are Jeremy Bridges and Reuben Riley. Scott Burley is the only offensive lineman without a helmet (according to Matt Terl -- @redskinsblog). The defense is wearing red and the offense white for the first time, blowing Maese's mind.

Missing from practice are Anthony Alridge and Robert Henson, who has a little something more important on his mind today. Earlier in the week, he had tweeted that his baby daughter was going be born today. Well ... let his sweet tweet from 8:16 a.m. announce the news:

@RedskinsLB58: Makenzie Ann Henson born Aug 14th 10:52 pm!! My baby Redskin!!


By Jason Reid  |  August 15, 2009; 7:22 AM ET
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first!

Posted by: stivic | August 15, 2009 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Runyan's been medically cleared.. but is more likely to stay with the Eagles.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4392455

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 15, 2009 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Zorn can remind them that the Steelers started the Skins 2-6 2nd half last year.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | August 15, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Cut Tryon now. Send a message. If we have to count on him if someone goes down we are in big trouble. I'd rather give someone else a look or pick up someone else. We need to not only expect more but demand more from these guys. if you ain't putting out the effort or you're not performing, sorry, but bye bye...This is Zorns job on the line too, he needs to show some leadership.

Posted by: scottmando | August 15, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Lot's of, "It's only preseason, and so and so didn't start and no game planning, but the same holds true of the Ravens doesn't it?" The Skins have become a league-wide joke unfortunately for the way they are managed. If the brittle first string line stays healthy, and IF the average LB's stay healthy, and IF the O can score an average of 17 or more points per game, then maybe, they'll make the playoffs. Lot's of IF's there.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 15, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Also, for those that think an experienced top-tier coach, ala Cowher or Shannahan (sp) wants to come into this mess, why? Unless they bring a new owner with them.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 15, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I don't think cutting Tryon right now is the answer. Prior to this game he's been having a good camp, so maybe his mistakes are correctable. My question is if he was continually lining up wrong and giving to much cushion, why wasn't the coaching staff making the defensive adjustment. Soon enough we will have to trim down the roster and anyone good will end up on someones practice squad and those have not been established yet. JMHO

Posted by: myrtle_beach_fan | August 15, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Cut Tryon now. Send a message.

Posted by: scottmando | August 15, 2009 8:38 AM

And the message is? "We're idiots. Guy had a bad game in pre-season, so we cut him."

The ones you want to cut now are the ones who aren't putting out the effort. Tryon's putting out the effort, but he had a bad game. If he has one or two more, then you give up on him.

But the word on Tryon is that he's looked good in practices. Pre-season is where you find out if who can translate practice into perfect. The Skins have invested a lot of time and coaching in this guy. There's plenty of time to sign a scrap-heap player to replace him if he doesn't work out.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 15, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Lot's of IF's there.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 15, 2009 8:53 AM

Remind me which NFL team doesn't have a lot of IF's? Two or three injuries is all it takes for any team to go from hero to zero.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 15, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Also, for those that think an experienced top-tier coach, ala Cowher or Shannahan (sp) wants to come into this mess, why?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 15, 2009 8:57 AM

Is this a trick question? These coaches work for money, and here the salary can't be beat.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 15, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

If Zorn turns up the heat it will be the first thing he has done right in quite some time. These are men. If they can't handle a coach yelling at them or running wind sprints because they screwed up in the game, then they shouldn't be in the NFL. Today's practice should be an attention-getter.

As for Tryon, don't count him just yet. The team was embarassed Thursday night, but none so much as Tryon. Hopefully, he can learn from this and play a much better game against the Steelers. Remember, the team is set with Hall, Rogers, and Smoot is looking better than he has in years. Barnes and Tryon are currently 4th and 5th on the depth chart. They shouldn't be world class players. That's why they are 4th and 5th. Actually, now that I remember the way Westbrook played, maybe Barnes and Tryon are 5th and 6th on the depth chart.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 15, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

It wasn't that long ago that everyone was hating on Rinehart. Now, people are starting to think he may be a player. Maybe it takes Tryon a while longer? Or maybe never, but it's still too early to say.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 15, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

The ones you want to cut now are the ones who aren't putting out the effort. Tryon's putting out the effort, but he had a bad game. If he has one or two more, then you give up on him.

But the word on Tryon is that he's looked good in practices. Pre-season is where you find out if who can translate practice into perfect. The Skins have invested a lot of time and coaching in this guy. There's plenty of time to sign a scrap-heap player to replace him if he doesn't work out.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 15, 2009 9:02 AM |

Well said TE. Now is the time for correction and instruction from the coaches, You'd want to see the guys the skins are counting on for depth improve their play as they get more reps in the preseason.

Posted by: TWISI | August 15, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

All of the USC QBs are looking good so far - Palmer, Sanchez and Leinhart - with Cassel set to go today I think. Amazing how one school can turn out so many of them. I can't think of any other school that even has two "names", let alone 4. And they do a variation of the WCO so the QBs are all NFL-ready. I hear that USC also has some good ones in the pipeline but I don't think they are ready to start for them this year. Too bad. The Skins could be looking for a QB soon.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | August 15, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Also, for those that think an experienced top-tier coach, ala Cowher or Shannahan (sp) wants to come into this mess, why? Unless they bring a new owner with them.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 15, 2009 8:57 AM |

Cowher probably wants to be Panther HC and Shanahan the Cowboys.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | August 15, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

BALONEY SANDWICH!!

Count me as someone who's pretty skeptical of the notion that the problem is younger guys not displaying "passion or effort".

I mean how do you gauge something like that really?

So the rooks and 2nd year guys just aren't very passionate about making the team?

Here's what I think - the TALENT level of our second string/backups is piss-poor. They got clobbered b/c they were simply worse than the other guys.

This is what happens when you have a team-building philosophy that dumps mountains of cash into a few select positions. You put high-priced talent at some of the starting spots, but you compromise your ability to sign quality depth.

Guys like CP and AH are walking around with "richest" contracts at their positions, and we have to roll the dice on overlooked undrafted FA-types to serve as backup linemen...there's a reason why they were overlooked and undrafted - most everyone thought they weren't that good...

Posted by: p1funk | August 15, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

So how doomed are we people?

6-10 doomed or 8-8 doomed?

I say we gotta give Zorn one more year after this one, just to give him the benefit of the doubt. I mean, Santana, Devin Thomas, Malcom Kelly, and Big Sleepy HAVE to be better in their third freaking year...right?


We're gonna suck this year. At least last year we had the first 8 games where we went 6-2. Now we're gonna see the 2-6 Redskins from last year, but we get them for a full 16 games! The most boring, uninspired, careless, crappy team in the NFL. Zero chance we win 10 games.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | August 15, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

The doctor's verdict is in our first preseason game.

Dr. Seuss, that is:

"Stink, stank, stunk."

Posted by: farstriker | August 15, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

We're gonna suck this year. At least last year we had the first 8 games where we went 6-2. Now we're gonna see the 2-6 Redskins from last year, but we get them for a full 16 games! The most boring, uninspired, careless, crappy team in the NFL. Zero chance we win 10 games.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | August 15, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse


Rams, Lions, Bucs, Chiefs, Broncos, Raiders, Saints, split our NFC East schedule - that's 10 wins.

It's feasible; not b/c we are such a great juggernaut, but b/c we have a pretty weak schedule against the AFC West and NFC South teams plus Rams/Lions...

Posted by: p1funk | August 15, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"

All of the USC QBs are looking good so far - Palmer, Sanchez and Leinhart - with Cassel set to go today I think. Amazing how one school can turn out so many of them. I can't think of any other school that even has two "names", let alone 4. And they do a variation of the WCO so the QBs are all NFL-ready. I hear that USC also has some good ones in the pipeline but I don't think they are ready to start for them this year. Too bad. The Skins could be looking for a QB soon.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand"


Actually, as the resident college football fan here (IE : I know more about college football than any of these other lillylivers), I can say that true freshman Matt Barkley is getting high praise from Pete Carroll, and PC has even said that Barkley right now is further along than where Leinart and Palmer were as freshmen. Take it for what it's worth, but that is high praise.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | August 15, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

The BIG Picture:

This team is still recovering from years of poor personnel moves. I may be in the minority on this but the Gibbs 2.0 experiment was mediocre. Yes, we had two playoff appearances, but what type of long term success did it bring? Brunell played too long...Campbell was exposed to several different offenses...we signed inferior talent to big contracts and we got old on the O-line (Gibbs was loyal to a fault to older players)

Have you ever wondered why this offense has been dysfunctional for years? I am beginning to think it's the QB's under center. I like JC and want him to succeed, but when I look at all the other QB's in the league both young and old, they IT. JC has a strong arm and all, but where are his BALLS???

Yeah...I said it?

Posted by: rickyroge | August 15, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

The BIG Picture:

This team is still recovering from years of poor personnel moves. I may be in the minority on this but the Gibbs 2.0 experiment was mediocre. Yes, we had two playoff appearances, but what type of long term success did it bring? Brunell played too long...Campbell was exposed to several different offenses...we signed inferior talent to big contracts and we got old on the O-line (Gibbs was loyal to a fault to older players)

Have you ever wondered why this offense has been dysfunctional for years? I am beginning to think it's the QB's under center. I like JC and want him to succeed, but when I look at all the other QB's in the league both young and old, they IT. JC has a strong arm and all, but where are his BALLS???

Yeah...I said it?

Posted by: rickyroge | August 15, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

bee bee
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Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 15, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Good to hear regarding Barkley, the USC QB Freshman... The Skins most likely will have the 1st pick of the Draft in 2013... Unless of course, Vinny hasnt traded it for the triumphant return of Jason Taylor.
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Actually, as the resident college football fan here (IE : I know more about college football than any of these other lillylivers), I can say that true freshman Matt Barkley is getting high praise from Pete Carroll, and PC has even said that Barkley right now is further along than where Leinart and Palmer were as freshmen. Take it for what it's worth, but that is high praise.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | August 15, 2009 10:16 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | August 15, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Don't flatter yourself. Everyone knows Jason Campbell sucks. Some people just admit it more easily than others.

The JC apologists, instead of saying JC sucks, will say things like "Well if you give JC a great offensive line, and great wide receivers, and a great defense, and a great FG kicker, and a really great play caller, and a better owner/GM, then he wouldn't hurt us and could ride his teammates to the Superbowl."

anyway, interesting article breaking down each pass play in the preseason game by our starting QB :

http://www.theomfield.com/2009/08/quick-review-six-campbell-pass-plays.html

it's kinda an optimistic look

Posted by: TheTruth11 | August 15, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"It's just the preseason"

"This is only his second year in a new system"

"Portis, Moss and Haynesworth didn't play"

"As long as we didn't get any injuries, we're fine"

"We've got some weapons"

"We were pretty vanilla...we don't game plan."

All B.S. EXCUSES!!! Did ya'll see any other preseason games? Our "offense" looks nothing like any others.

Posted by: rickyroge | August 15, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

The BIG Picture:

This team is still recovering from years of poor personnel moves. I may be in the minority on this but the Gibbs 2.0 experiment was mediocre. Yes, we had two playoff appearances, but what type of long term success did it bring? Brunell played too long...Campbell was exposed to several different offenses...we signed inferior talent to big contracts and we got old on the O-line (Gibbs was loyal to a fault to older players)

Posted by: rickyroge | August 15, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse


Got to disagree.

The Gibbs 2.0 experiment was blown up by Snerrato.

They had every opportunity to build on the foundation that Gibbs laid - promote Grilliams to HC, stick w/Saunders as an O-coordinator to continue developing JC, we probably would have seen Blache promoted to D-coordinator, and under Gibbs 2.0 our Oline was playing pretty well.

Instead Snyder got up in front of the media; talked about the importance of "continuity"; the proceeded to conduct a 3-Ring Head Coaching search, installed an entirely new WCO, Vinny drafted a bunch of receivers and a TE, and the rest is history...

Posted by: p1funk | August 15, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Truth...

I hate to say it, but I agree with you. I won't go as far to say that JC sucks, but I'm soooooo scik of the excuses.

Did you see Troy Smith (at 5'10") move around in the pocket with that makeshift O-line and make plays?

Posted by: rickyroge | August 15, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

P1funk...

I challenge you argument. You forget that Gibbs was part of the braintrust of the FO and from what I can gather,Snyder probably did what Gibbs said. Gibbs changed the whole offense, but couldn't concede control to Saunders. Gibbs played Brunell two seasons too long and played him when he knew Brunell was hurt. Campbell didn't get any developement under Gibbs. Say what you want about Cerrato, at least it seems as if there was a clear plan to upgrade to defensive side of the ball. Gibbs brought in Lloyd, and ARE. ARE is not a number 2 reciever on ANY NFL team, but because he's a good, Christian guy, that mean's he's a bona fide target. Gibbs got many things right, but so has Cerrato.

Posted by: rickyroge | August 15, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

P1funk...

I challenge you argument. You forget that Gibbs was part of the braintrust of the FO and from what I can gather,Snyder probably did what Gibbs said. Gibbs changed the whole offense, but couldn't concede control to Saunders. Gibbs played Brunell two seasons too long and played him when he knew Brunell was hurt. Campbell didn't get any developement under Gibbs. Say what you want about Cerrato, at least it seems as if there was a clear plan to upgrade to defensive side of the ball. Gibbs brought in Lloyd, and ARE. ARE is not a number 2 reciever on ANY NFL team, but because he's a good, Christian guy, that mean's he's a bona fide target. Gibbs got many things right, but so has Cerrato.

Posted by: rickyroge | August 15, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse


OK. I challenge your argument.

We were never told what the FO structure was. Gibbs was the public face of the operation and always said that decisions were made "together" with Snyder and Cerratto. Assuming that Snyder just capitulated and ceded everything to Gibbs is entirley speculation; especially since Gibbs was NEVER a personnel guy.

Gibbs brought in Saunders to upgrade the offense, because the offense SUCKED. It was old and stagnant and Saunders had some wildly successful years turning the Chiefs offense into a juggernaut. He drafted Campbell, and Campbell was going to develop behind a veteran QB and learn the Saunders offense...until it got blown up again by the FO.

We can lay the blame of Brunnell at the feet of Gibbs - thought that was a bad move to stick with him as long as he did.

Again, to say that Gibbs (alone) brought in LLoyd and ARE is entirely speculation, b/c we don't know who was pushing for which players behind the scenes. In a million years, I can't imagine Gibbs looking at Lloyd and thinking "that's one of my guys". It's more realistic thinking that Cerratto (who had previous connections to SF) put together a Lloyd highlight reel and convinced Snyder that he was our big-play WR of the future. I can see ARE being Gibbs call - hard-working, lockerroom guy who just won a championship to fit the mold of a smallish big-play slot receiver a-la Ricky Sanders (not sure why you need to bring religion into the picture). ARE was never brought in to be the No.2; LLoyd was supposed to be the No.2.

To say that Cerrato had a "plan" to upgrade the D is nonsense. The D was already in place and Blache simply took the torch from Grilliams. The "plan" was to install a new WCO, and when Vinny had his crack at controlling the draft he took 2 WRs, a TE and a QB. The D got upgraded this past offseason, b/c Vinny & Zorn's WCO looked like junk, and so the D needs to carry the team.

Posted by: p1funk | August 15, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Do I have any volunteers to jump on the band wagon and go egg Danny's house? When we are finished we will go roll Vinny's yard. I believe that was one of the worst efforts I have ever seen on Thursday.

Posted by: GLFLVER3 | August 15, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Do I have any volunteers to jump on the band wagon and go egg Danny's house? When we are finished we will go roll Vinny's yard. I believe that was one of the worst efforts I have ever seen on Thursday.

Posted by: GLFLVER3 | August 15, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Pre-Rich Rodriguez, Michigan wasn't doing too badly on the qb front: Harbaugh, Griese, Grbac, Collins, and some guy named Brady. Chad Henne (Miami) may be the last in that line.

The down-side of these spread offenses in college is quarterbacks who have to adjust to the pro game. As a Wolverine alum I'm even more worried that our o-line tradition will never be the same given the emphasis of mobility and pass blocking in these spread offenses versus smash-mouth, pancake'em blocking style you get in more traditional, pro-style, run-centered offenses.

Posted by: pdfordiii | August 15, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Reid keep it up, have not had someone cover the skins with such insight, honesty, and NFL KNOWLEDGE in a while!!!!!!

Posted by: SkinsForever22044 | August 15, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

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