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Redskins Begin to Try to Replace R. Thomas

Shortly after the Redskins made it official, announcing right guard Randy Thomas will miss the remainder of the season because of a full tear of his right triceps, Pete Kendall became a main topic of conversation at Redskins Park.

Well, at least among the media.

A reporter asked Coach Jim Zorn if the team would consider bringing back Kendall, who started on the left side in the 2007 and 2008 seasons. Zorn said he has had a conversation "in his mind" about Kendall and would speak with line coach Joe Bugel about the 13-year veteran, who still is unsigned.

Obviously, the Redskins need someone to replace Thomas, who will be placed on the season-ending injured reserve list and is expected to undergo surgery Wednesday.

During camp, I wrote about the possibility of bringing back Kendall for depth purposes, if nothing else, but the Redskins, who are the oldest team in the league and need to get younger in a lot of areas, stuck with the group they brought to camp. Kendall is 36, has arthritic knees and can't practice.

From what I've been told, second-year guard Chad Rinehart will replace Thomas in the starting lineup. As of this morning, the Redskins had not reached out to Kendall, a league source said.

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Randy Thomas has issued a statement on his injury (via @RickMaese's tweets):

"I am just very disappointed right now. It hurts because I want to be out there with my teammates. I worked really hard in the offseason and was looking forward to this year. I will have the surgery this week and focus my attention on rehabbing. I will be there every step fo the way to help support my teammates the rest of the season. I believe in them and I know we can continue to be successful."

By Jason Reid  |  September 21, 2009; 1:06 PM ET
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Comments

1st to say Bring back GIBBS 3.0....

But we can't because we're going 15-1 this season......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 21, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

1st to say Bring back GIBBS 3.0....

But we can't because we're going 15-1 this season......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 21, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"....is 36, has arthritic knees and can't practice."

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And your're advocating signing him?

Posted by: filmchis | September 21, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Reinhart FTW!
Reinhart FTW?

Posted by: daggar | September 21, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

What the hell Mayor!!! You talk about the line being old in one sentence and then talk about bring in a 36 year old that can't practice because his knees. HELL NOO on Kendal!! Give the kid a chance and see what he does.

Posted by: jm220 | September 21, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

That's comforting...Rhino isn't active and now is thrust into the starting role next to Heyer. Looks like Davis/Cooley will be staying in to block on the right side of the line from now on out.

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 21, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"And, for the record, I thought that booing the offense as they were kneeling down to win the game was classless.

Posted by: -swb"

Thank you. Your post summarized why I was embarrassed to call myself a contingent of the Redskins fanbase yesterday.

Posted by: psps23 | September 21, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

good to hear about CR in the lineup, lets get him out there, see what he can do.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 21, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it a little late to address the offensive line?

Here's a thought! What are we going to do when Samuels can't go? (This is a 2009 certainty.)

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 21, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Why is that the case? Zorn is a QB coach who played the position. He's credited with raising the level of Hasselbeck's play. He sees JC everyday in practice. Have you ever considered that may play a part in how he calls a game, particularly in the redzone?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 21, 2009 1:02 PM |

Then Zorn is short sighted as are many on this blog. You have to try to score using all resources otherwise other teams will always be at an advantage because of your tendencies. Not having a more balanced play call sheet in the red zone is going to get Zorn fired. What they are doing now isn't working. Beyond that, more importantly, the data doesn't support that JC throws a lot of interceptions in general. In fact the data shows that Campbell has one of the better completion to interception ratio in the game which may mean he is too conservative with his decision making, and more likely throw the ball away than force it coverage in the red zone.

Posted by: TWISI | September 21, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | September 21, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

(You have to treat it as a "certainty")

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 21, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't they have started this in the spring ....of 2006!?!

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 21, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Have been skeptical of Zorn, but willing to change my opinion if he merits it. He's gotten a fair chance to show what he is as a HC. There is some good, but its not enough.

As soon as I saw Portis preparing to throw the pass on 3rd and goal, my thought was "fire Jim Zorn now" -- even before Portis actually threw the ball.

Its time for Jim Zorn to go.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 21, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Rinehart should be an automatic fit.

Otherwise, this team is more foolish than I originally thought, if they do not have a viable "start capable" backup knowing Randy's past history.

All this team needs to do, is bring in Bridges, in-order too fulfill the new backup roll,,, whats so hard ?

Posted by: dashriprock | September 21, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh, people are longing for the coaching and QB carousel again!

Blame JC! Blame Zorn! Sorry folks, but we've seen this play before, and we already know how it ends.

Here are the QBs who have started for the Skins since Mark Rypien left in 1994:

Gus Frerotte
John Friesz
Heath Shuler
Jeff Hostetler
Trent Green
Brad Johnson
Jeff George
Tony Banks
Shane Matthews
Patrick Ramsey
Danny Wuerffel
Tim Hasselbeck
Mark Brunell
Todd Collins
Jason Campbell

Here are the coaches since the Skins fired Petibon before the 1994 season:

Norv Turner
Terry Robiskie
Marty Schottenheimer
Steve Spurrier
Joe Gibbs
Jim Zorn


For those of you counting, that's 15 starting QBs and 6 HCs in 15 years. This is not a stable organization.

Show me any other team with this kind of instablility at those key leadership positions that wins... it's a recipe for mediocrity, at best.

You don't need a HOF coach and/or QB to win a SB, but you do need consistent leadership. Zorn is just a second year HC!

Posted by: Alan4 | September 21, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Actually, quick survey question... When was the last time you consistently had fun actually watching a Redskins game?
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The last time I remember was when the Skins (Santana Moss) torched the Cowboys in Dallas for the two late 4th quarter touchdowns. That was 2005.

Posted by: isnadd | September 21, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Guys who have taken heat but are not the problem:
Jason Campbell
the OL
Clinton Portis
LaDell Betts
ARE
Albert Haynesworth

Guys who are the problem:
DeAngelo Hall
Jim Zorn
Santana Moss
LaRon Landry

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 21, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

In his NFL career, when has Campbell ever thrown the fade route for a TD?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 21, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

We need to look forward.
Looking back is not such a pretty sight anyway.
Bring in a young back up, let's develop some talent for the future.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 21, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Z,
I feel you.
I'm a hokie; but I knew trading Springs and pickup Hall was a trade down.
So is Springs still healthy in game 2?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 21, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Forget about Kendall.

The Redskins need to find out what they have in Rinehart and Montgomery.

The team invested a high pick in Rinehart and he has yet to be active for a single game in his NFL career.

Time to see what Vinny brought us at OG.

Posted by: leopard09 | September 21, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

What does Zorn mean when he says he had a conversation in his mind.
lol

Posted by: jmy999 | September 21, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

As soon as I saw Portis preparing to throw the pass on 3rd and goal, my thought was "fire Jim Zorn now" -- even before Portis actually threw the ball.

Its time for Jim Zorn to go.

Posted by: zcezcest1


Exactly. Is there anyone who didn't know that Portis was running left on the 4th and 1 play in the fourth quarter? This offense has no creativity whatsoever. The blame rest solely on the play calling of Zorn.

Posted by: dcwun | September 21, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

16 QBs you forgot Rich Gannon

Posted by: The_Spear | September 21, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

For those of you counting, that's 15 starting QBs and 6 HCs in 15 years. This is not a stable organization.

Show me any other team with this kind of instablility at those key leadership positions that wins... it's a recipe for mediocrity, at best.

You don't need a HOF coach and/or QB to win a SB, but you do need consistent leadership. Zorn is just a second year HC!

Posted by: Alan4 | September 21, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I understand your point about wanting stability, but I cannot see having Jim Zorn around for 10 years or even 5.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 21, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The last time I remember was when the Skins (Santana Moss) torched the Cowboys in Dallas for the two late 4th quarter touchdowns. That was 2005.
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Going into Dallas as big underdogs last year, early in the season, and beating up on them was pretty damn fun too, if I recall.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | September 21, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Always the comments are that the Offensive Line is the oldest in the league. Well, if Reinhart becomes a starter, the line will not be that old. He and Heyer are both around 25, I think. Dock is about 29, Rabach 31 or so and Samuels becomes the oldest at about 33. So then will they stop saying how old the line is? Or should we bring in old man Kendall?

Posted by: Wemiss21 | September 21, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree...there is a reason Kendall is not on this team....Let the young guys play.

You won't know what you have until they are tested.

If they suck....they you peruse the waiver wire & free agent market.

As for yesterday's game.....
I have many criticisms of the playcalling as I was sitting there front row.

We technically should have been beating the bejeezus out of St. Louis. The team needs to learn to finish! If that means they practice red zone plays 3x more during the week then so be it.

Also.....Burning a timeout instead of letting the clock run to decide to go on 4th and 1....then Betts running out of bounds in that last series.....then not kicking the field goal to be up by 5 and forcing St. Louis to drive the 80yds for a TD.....ALL STUPID RIDICULOUS ERRORS that usually lose you a game.

Better tighten the ship Zorn.......there are Waaaaay too many former head coaches unemployed with alot more victories, alot more experience, and Super Bowl rings just waiting to take your spot.

Posted by: goosedude | September 21, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday, Sonny said to JZ that if he was QB and the coach called a play for the HB to pass the ball, he would have called a TO and came to the sideline and asked what's going on. JZ said he would have pulled him out of the game.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 21, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Skins do not sign Kendall. He is a smart and likable guy, but I watched him get dominated by bigger defensive tackles. The Redskins would be better served to put Mike Williams in at Guard before Rhinehart. At least Mike Williams has played in NFL games and he gives the Redskins two mammoth tackles that can stand up to the bigger tackles. Next season they need to get a bigger center because Rabach gets rag dolled too often as well.

Posted by: A-Contrario | September 21, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

In his NFL career, when has Campbell ever thrown the fade route for a TD?

Posted by: learnedhand1

When has Zorn ever called one?

Posted by: dcwun | September 21, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Thomas Boswell's piece today is actually very good. This team has a mediocre offense, no matter how hard the fans wnat it to be great.

What does it all mean? Well if you are a leader of this team, as any other organization, the problem needs to be addressed from the top down. So Mr. Snyder, should ask himself, as would a Warren Buffet, or steve Jobs, or Bill Gate, what can I do better?

Mr. Snyder will realize that his choice of GM, whether a nice guy or a friend, has not done a good personnel job for him. His Head Coach, while a nice man, has not done a great job preparing this team. Yes, we do not expect miracles, but we expect a full effort and when it fails, a solution.

Now, I understand that the answer is not always fire everyone and start fresh. But the answer may come after a thorough review, including a review of the reviewers! Assuming that Mr. Snyder will continue to own this team, he needs to start with his own circle and do quality improvement.

As far as a "Jason Campbell" is concerned, he needs to play better, period. Everyone can out perform their scheme and their surroundings. He needs to find out why he cannot find/reach an open receiver and make it happen. Eli Manning, you can just see, sometimes amkes plays of his own, he has a "will" to get the ball to somebody. JC shouldn't just be afraid of interceptions. That is cowardly stuff. He needs to play to win.


Note to coach Zorn,

Even though you want to keep a positive environment for your team to be successful, by not clearly acknowledging deficiencies, you lower the standards for the players.

The head coach needs to come out after the game and hold players and himself accountable for clear mistakes. Let others give you a break.

It is quite simple really. You cannot do spin and damage control in the NFL. You are better off coming out and take blame for your mistakes and blame others for their mistakes. If you can solve those problems, you'll stay, if not, you are out. Doesn't matter how much you sugar coat it!

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 21, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

And also people no siht it was my opinion that Zorn might be losing the team, based on listening to players talk, watching the sidelines, seeing the play and yes my own conjecture. DUH!
Posted by: chrislarry | September 21, 2009 1:15 PM

I’d like to see you prove that it was your opinion. Please provide a link.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 21, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

dcwun, two things: 1) Zorn hasn't always been his coach, and 2) that begs the question - why?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 21, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

We just asked former Redskins left guard Pete Kendall, who is currently a free agent, whether the Redskins have contacted him and if he's interested in playing again.

"No and yes," Kendall replied via text message.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/21/zorn-confirms-thomas-is-headed-for-ir/

Posted by: puttinforbird | September 21, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

For those of you counting, that's 15 starting QBs and 6 HCs in 15 years. This is not a stable organization.

Show me any other team with this kind of instablility at those key leadership positions that wins... it's a recipe for mediocrity, at best.

You don't need a HOF coach and/or QB to win a SB, but you do need consistent leadership. Zorn is just a second year HC!

Posted by: Alan4 | September 21, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Very true, however, I would argue that Snyder's biggest error to date is he's canned the one guy who deserved stability and a chance to build this team for the long haul, Marty. He tried to swing for the fences with Joe (who can blame him) but Joe was never going to be a long term answer he was too old, five years was the absolute max he would have lasted no matter what. IMO Zorn just looks terrible, I am all for stability and long term thinking, truly, but with the right guy. If he hires Shanahan, or Cowher, or Holmgren I agree, one or two bad seasons is acceptable because they have earned that right with a long track record of success and with super bowl wins, and I promise their down seasons would be because of obvious reasons of a complete organizational/roster overhaul building from square one. Zorn was given a playoff team, was giving 3 additional weapons to use (which he was unable to coach up two and even get them on the field, and still refuses to use a now healthy MK12) and inherited a strong defense/running game. After 18 games, two preseasons, and two training camps, things are getting worse not better and the window for the roster is rapidly closing. Samuels is nearly done, Randy Thomas is done, Jansen was done, CP and Moss aren't far away and JC is in a contract year. He took a playoff roster and is working on reducing it to a 5 or 6 win team, he's turned what was a mediocre offense under Saunders (except when TC was in there) into a terrible one, and after this season there is going to be significant turnover at a lot of starting spots.....I doubt however that he'll be involved in that....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 21, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I have to wonder it the team didn't loose faith in Zorn at the end of last season.

Perhaps things are not patched up. It will take more than a few wins over poor football teams to fix that.

Victories in Dallas, Philadelphia and New York is the only prescription.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 21, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I wanna know how much Archie, Peyton and Eli got paid to be in a LIFELOCK COMMERCIAL!!!

LOL They seem genuinely concerned about their ID being stolen!

Posted by: filmchis | September 21, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

PPStr8, I understand you frustration about Zorn. His playcalling often appears predictable or desparate.

Still, I think it would be a mistake to give him the axe too soon. He was a rookie HC last year--what's done is done.

Let's see if he learns from his mistakes as the season goes on. The answer to this question will become very obvious over the next 6 to 8 games.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 21, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Im giving hasselbeck a whole new level of respect now.. And conversely Zorn got too much credit for his development.

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Why is that the case? Zorn is a QB coach who played the position. He's credited with raising the level of Hasselbeck's play. He sees JC everyday in practice. Have you ever considered that may play a part in how he calls a game, particularly in the redzone?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 21, 2009 1:02 PM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 21, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

What does Zorn mean when he says he had a conversation in his mind.
lol

Posted by: jmy999 | September 21, 2009 1:29 PM


I regularly hold mental roundtable discussions with H. Ross Perot, F. Scott Fitzgerald, J. Edgar Hoover, and R. Lee Ermey.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 21, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Does Randy have a press secretary?

"I am just very disappointed right now. It hurts because I want to be out there with my teammates. I worked really hard in the offseason and was looking forward to this year. I will have the surgery this week and focus my attention on rehabbing. I will be there every step fo the way to help support my teammates the rest of the season. I believe in them and I know we can continue to be successful."

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 21, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Some of everything here is true. But one thing is certain. Cooley is great but a TE cannot lead your team in receptions. A better, more complete passing game will also assist in getting the running game at the level it should be.

Posted by: scottboren | September 21, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

'He sees JC everyday in practice. Have you ever considered that may play a part in how he calls a game, particularly in the redzone?'

Zorn's playcalling can be explained by the fact his stint as our HC represents the first time in his life he's called plays in the NFL as a coach. He is learning on the job, promoted from clipboarder to NFL Head Coach in the blink of an eye.

Posted by: divi3 | September 21, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Detroit press calling for a W over the Redskins: http://bit.ly/k30zF

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | September 21, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Tell that to Tony Gonzalez or Dallas.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 21, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell had a strong game. Campbell made several good plays with his feet, was accurate on most of his throws and made a few smart throwaways.

He had a TD pass dropped by Sellers (why Sellers was running a pass pattern in that area is question for the HC). He slightly underthrew Kelly on what would have been a big gain, perhaps a TD very early on (Campbell underthrew Kelly on a deep ball in preseason). Their timing is close, but its not quite there. Campbell made few (if any) bad passes and had no INTs.

I'm not sure why Devin Thomas is in the game near the goal line, Campbell should have his top receivers in the game -- Kelly, ARE, Moss and Cooley. This is the group he needs to practice with.

The play calling inside the 10 yard line was atrocious.

The Skins had 7 drives during the game (not counting kneel down stuff). 2 of the drives were 3 and outs (the opening drive and one where Campbell got sacked).

The other 5 drives all moved the ball very well. 4 got inside the 10. On 2 of the 4 drives that got inside the 10, Campbell never threw a pass. On one drive, Sellers dropped a sure TD. From what I've read, Thomas had a catchable TD pass thrown his way in the other drive -- but I don't recall that play. The 5th drive ended on Moss's fumble.

Jason Campbell is not the problem.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 21, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

In his NFL career, when has Campbell ever thrown the fade route for a TD?

Posted by: learnedhand1

When has Zorn ever called one?

Posted by: dcwun | September 21, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I recall two fades in the endzone yesterday by Malcolm Kelly. Campbell just didn't throw it to him. I'm not saying he SHOULD have. On one, Mike Sellers was wide open and dropped a TD. I'm just saying lets not jump to the conclusion that Zorn didn't call a fade just because that isn't where the ball was thrown.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 21, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

What would make me smile? (Redskins related)

-When we go to Dallas have Hunter the Punter and hit that Jumbotron multiple times (minimum 5 times), that would be a victory in my heart.
-That and Orakpo beating Adams around the corner with a speed rush and introducing Romo to the ground while AH picks up the fumble and rumbles 30 yards for the TD.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 21, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Can the Redskins devise plays where a receiver is behid a defender? Can we design plays where the receiver is running towards the end zone beyond the corner back or safety? It seems to this amateur here that would be a good way to get into the end zone. May be it is "low percentage" but how much lower than zero can you go?

if you run up and down the field for 60 minutes and score 3 field goals, why not try throwing some "possible TD" plays for a while and see what happens?

Can Redskins bring in an offensive advisor without the players losing complete confidence in Xorn?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 21, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Randy spent his offseason eating and flirting with Kelly Johnson while the rest of the oline was in Arizona working out

Posted by: divi3 | September 21, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Sign Jaimie Thomas off the Indianaplois developmental squad. The team seems to be enamored with Maryland offensive linemen and I heard before the draft that they were interested. Rhinehart is going to fill RT's slot and signing a young guy to develop is a sensible move. This makes a lot more sense that signing Pete Kendall who cannot practice an entire week and cannot run down field or pull because of his wobbly wheels...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 21, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"Then Zorn is short sighted as are many on this blog. You have to try to score using all resources otherwise other teams will always be at an advantage because of your tendencies. Not having a more balanced play call sheet in the red zone is going to get Zorn fired. What they are doing now isn't working. Beyond that, more importantly, the data doesn't support that JC throws a lot of interceptions in general. In fact the data shows that Campbell has one of the better completion to interception ratio in the game which may mean he is too conservative with his decision making, and more likely throw the ball away than force it coverage in the red zone.Posted by: TWISI"

It's more dramatic than that. Jason Campbell broke the team record for consecutive passes without an INT in early October, and didn't lose the streak until November. He was the least error-prone QB in the NFL. His closest competitors were veterans like Kerry Collins at Tennessee and Jeff Garcia. Jason also became a very effective runner on third down, and lost only one fumble.

Given the Skins' effectiveness on defense, it was probably a sound strategy. Where the Skins really suffered in 2008 was on special teams.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 21, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Still, I think it would be a mistake to give him the axe too soon. He was a rookie HC last year--what's done is done.

Let's see if he learns from his mistakes as the season goes on. The answer to this question will become very obvious over the next 6 to 8 games.

Posted by: Alan4 |


Players get time to develop, not coaches. Their experience is gained as coordinators. The FO's biggest mistake was allowing a rookie head coach, who has never called a play in this league, to surround himself with other offensive coaches who have never called plays. Remember, he took over a playoff team, not the Lions or Chiefs.

Posted by: dcwun | September 21, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but the Detroit Free Press also reported yesterday's score as 9-6 in predicting a Lion's victory....so, if they can't get scores right...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 21, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Z,
I feel you.
I'm a hokie; but I knew trading Springs and pickup Hall was a trade down.
So is Springs still healthy in game 2?

Posted by: _Stumped_ |

Hall has had one horrible and one mediocre game. His tackling is lousy, he can't defend tall receivers, especially in the Red zone, and like the rest of the Redskin DB's he's usually not in the same zip code as the guy he's covering.

He'll still get you six or more Int's, this season, but at what cost?

Meanwhile Rogers, the guy teams throw away from to pick on Hall, will be an FA soon, and if he and his agent aren't hurt over the big money squandered on Hall while he was left to dangle, I'd be surprised.

Posted by: TheCork | September 21, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Detroit press calling for a W over the Redskins: http://bit.ly/k30zF

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | September 21, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse


I called it last week and I stand by my prediction.

I'll add on to that: When it happens, Zorn gets the boot.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 21, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

In his NFL career, when has Campbell ever thrown the fade route for a TD?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 21, 2009 1:26 PM

I see where you're going lh.
The play has to be called.
Well, you'll say, why haven't his coaches ever called it?
Could be: a) [What I'm sure your answer is] They don't think he can throw it, or 2)They've had a couple 5'9" WR the past few years...not really fade route guys, or a)They still don't trust the new 6'2"-6'4" WR to run the right route, or Z) [Definitely my answer] The halfback option on 3rd and goal is a much better play call, and the future of all NFL offenses deep in the red zone.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 21, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Wow,
things have definitely turned when the Detroit press is predicting a win over the skins.

Posted by: pgugino | September 21, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

It's not that we can't run near the goal line - it's the playcalling and setup. There's no subtrefuge. The whole point of running down low is to get them to bite somewhere else. We don't do that.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 21, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Z,
I feel you.
I'm a hokie; but I knew trading Springs and pickup Hall was a trade down.
So is Springs still healthy in game 2?

Posted by: _Stumped_

Letting Springs go was the right move. But Springs is avery good player and that move did have a downside to it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 21, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Good Afternoon Everyone...after a good nights sleep and a hearty lunch, I'd like to offer this perspective.

Snyder should show patience with Jim Zorn. You knew you were getting a rookie HC when you hired him. If I'm the owner, the playcalling would bother me, but not as much as the misuse or underuse of his personnel. What we're watching is a blending of personnel from Gibbs and Cerratto. Portis was converted into a power back under Gibbs and has lost a step and has no real competition to push him and Moss and Randle-El pose no threat to defenses.

Our offensive woes have plagued us for years, much of which, to me, is talent. We have a major dilemma because we have a coach who doesn't seem to trust his QB (or players) and a QB who's afraid to take control of his team.

If Zorn was to be fired, I would fire him for what he didn't do (use Kelly, Mitchell, Rinehart, etc.) rather than any botched halfback option.

In my opinion, (and this is just week 2) Zorn should stay, but I can't see Portis here after this year nor JC is his play doesn't significantly improve.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 21, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is not the problem.


Posted by: zcezcest1

I will repeat that. Jason Campbell is NOT the problem.

Posted by: dcwun | September 21, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I had a question that did not get out in Cindy's chat.

If Zorn were fired mid season is there any president for bringing in an outside coach to manage? Is it crazy to think if the team tanks that Danny brings in Shanahan or Holmgren rather then promote a coordinator.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 21, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

just heard Zorn's press conference on 106.7 the fan. Umm, not encouraging. Continues using antics to lighten the mood and tap dance around questions that directly attack his competence as a head coach.

Posted by: pgugino | September 21, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, but the Detroit Free Press also reported yesterday's score as 9-6 in predicting a Lion's victory....so, if they can't get scores right..."

I noticed that too. I think CP gets on track in this game. Skins push it to 20(?) straight.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | September 21, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The FO's biggest mistake was allowing a rookie head coach, who has never called a play in this league, to surround himself with other offensive coaches who have never called plays.

Posted by: dcwun | September 21, 2009 1:46 PM

Sort of the blind leading the blind. The only one with some recent play calling experience is Chris Medit I think.

Posted by: TWISI | September 21, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

In his NFL career, when has Campbell ever thrown the fade route for a TD?

Posted by: learnedhand1

I hate fade routes, fade stops are better. They tried both with Kelly in preseason, but he was awkward the times I saw it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 21, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

What I saw yesterday that really made me lose all faith in Zorn...

Near the end of the game when they were waiting to decide to go for it on 4th down...I noticed the special teams coach yelling at Zorn because Zorn started to call a timeout. His special teams coach had to yell and stop him saying "not Now! Not Now Let the clock run ...let it run"

That alarmed me quite a bit. I mean if that is the kind of leadership the Skins have in a H.C. and we see it on TV ...just imagine what the players see. Ya think they believe in their leader?

Posted by: leevi98 | September 21, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Sort of the blind leading the blind. The only one with some recent play calling experience is Chris Medit I think.

Posted by: TWISI

Yeah, I think he did at some Division 3 program....and we are getting D-3 results.

Posted by: dcwun | September 21, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Criminey, the schlubs must be more stupid than Zorn having the halfback wearing a glove throw a pass at the goal line.

Kendall???? R U serious???

You idiots should stop and think before you stick a mic in somebody's face asking about a 36 year old with arthritic knees who can't practice and can't move anybody off the ball while routinely getting steam rolled in pass pro.

Here is a question you can ask: Why is Robert Henson still on the roster?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 21, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

just heard Zorn's press conference on 106.7 the fan. Umm, not encouraging. Continues using antics to lighten the mood and tap dance around questions that directly attack his competence as a head coach.

Posted by: pgugino | September 21, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I heard it too, boy spent too much time hanging out with W on the bike trails, he learned how to talk like a washington politician.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 21, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Still, I think it would be a mistake to give him the axe too soon. He was a rookie HC last year--what's done is done.

Let's see if he learns from his mistakes as the season goes on. The answer to this question will become very obvious over the next 6 to 8 games.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 21, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying fire him today. Like you said we will see if Zorn 2009 has learned anything over the past year.

Sometimes when I see Zorn's strategy, it just looks like he doesn't get it.

For example his use of Portis this year. It doesn't matter if Portis is fresher in the 2nd half of the year if you don't win games in the 1st half. Portis had several runs over 10yds yesterday and was the most effective back. Why then does Jim Zorn decide to run MM 2 straight times inside the 10?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 21, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I got to hand it to you hamsters, you're one feisty bunch today.

Smell the glove!

Um, I mean feel the love!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 21, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I think the most undereported story of this young season is the impact of Albert Haynesworth. This FO gets very little credit, but this dude is beast! I watched every snap of both games, and he makes a huge difference on that defense.

I think the most overreported story is the O-Line. JC has had plenty of time for most of both games. Our depth will be tested, but let's wait and see. No one has all pro lineman on the bench. Sometimes I don't get us as fans. We complain when we bring in high priced FA's but when we try to develop and play our young guys it's still doom and gloom.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 21, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Alex, I asked that on the last thread and nobody answered. I think today if Snyder canned Sherman Smith and Zorn while keeping the rest of the staff and hired Shanahan we're a playoff team....honestly. Shanahan's problem in Denver was defense, not a problem here. We already use the zone blocking running scheme he likes so a little tweakage would be all it takes and CP started out and had his most success in that system so it wouldn't be like starting from scratch for him. The first few weeks would be basic bare bones offense not frills (like we have any now) but his system of shotguns, play-action, and bootlegs are a perfect fit for JC. Yesterday we were most successful in the shotgun and after the called play broke down and JC had to improvise, not exactly WC quick drop quick read quick release stuff. It will never happen but I think it would work. I said before I wasn't advocating, and I know its not realistic I'm not calling for it but in bizarro world if it did it wouldn't hurt my feelings, I am convinced Zorn isn't good enough.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 21, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I hate fade routes, fade stops are better. They tried both with Kelly in preseason, but he was awkward the times I saw it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 21, 2009 1:54 PM

Yes they looked awful.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 21, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

No one has faith in that leader. It's evident all the way to the fan base. It's pathetic.

Booing a home win is ridiculous... and completely called for.

Hey, I'm beginning to hope we completely stink it up this year, get low round picks, clear up the offal (awful) in the payroll, and start clean.

At least I'm getting laughs watching what we do.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 21, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

We do what fans do and that's 2nd guess the coach when things don't work...I'm just not convinced Zorn is entirely the problem and if these problems wouldn't persist with Shanahan, Holmgren, Rockne, Lombardi, etc.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 21, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Zorn: Search for lineman starts on the roster
By JohnTaylor
on Sept. 21, 2009
into Redskins 360

Redskins coach Jim Zorn said he expects Washington to find its replacement for injured right guard Randy Thomas on the roster, but he refused to commit to a player at his Monday afternoon press conference.

Thomas will miss the rest of the season, being placed on the injured reserve this week. His triceps were torn, a complete tear off the bone, and he'll have surgery on Wednesday or Thursday.

Zorn said he would consider Will Montgomery, the former Virginia Tech center who filled in for Thomas on Sunday, as well as other players on the roster.

"We have several guys to choose from," Zorn said. "We can't go outside the organization and have someone ready to go against Detroit."

On the team's official depth chart, Chad Rinehart is listed as the backup to Thomas at right guard. But the second-year lineman, a third-round pick in 2008, has yet to suit up for a game with the Redskins, getting placed on the inactive list each week.

Montgomery plays both center and guard, which explains why the third year veteran got the call on Sunday. The team also has Edwin Williams, the former Maryland center who lined up at both guard and center for the Redskins during training camp and the preseason.

Whoever wins the job, Zorn insisted it won't affect the way he calls plays.

"We slot the guy in there and run our stuff," Zorn said. "Will he be the type of player Randy can be? We'll see. That person's going to want to step in and not look back, take charge and have confidence in the situation."

Other topics the Redskins coach touched on:

- Struggles in the red zone come down to detail work. "That's what it's gonna take to improve," said Zorn, who promised some intense film study this week.

- He praised the kicking of Shaun Suisham, who went 3-for-3 and provided all of the team's scoring in the win.

- Zorn welcomed Danny Smith's intrusion late in the game, when Smith stopped Zorn from calling a timeout. Zorn said he couldn't see the clock, but Smith could -- and reacted.

- John Taylor

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 21, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I would love JC to develop into a Cunnignham-esque field general. I'm still cringing every time he's in the pocket, of course you used to do that w/ Randall, too. (Well, if you were Skins you were salivating.)

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 21, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Here is another question: Why is Zorn still on the roster?

Answer: We are stuck with him and can only hope he can figure out how to call plays inside the ten and manage the game situations. Run him, and it is over. I actually have hope that he CAN scratch the idiocy and do better on 1st and goal situations.

FTR, I LIKED a LOT of what the Redskins did yesterday. They moved the ball very well, JC played GREAT, defense played very well for the most part (ok it was the rams), but they did press the WRs SOME yesterday, 3-4 to Jackson being a notable exception.

This is what is so so so frustrating: we fans can see the Redskins are on the CUSP of being a very, very, good team, but they remain mired in mediocrity due to player errors at critical times and inept coaching decisions when and where it matters most.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 21, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

How bout they run Vinny-The-Boy-Wonder out there at GM since this d0uche (along with Danny-The-Moron) is the one who didn't bolster our O-Line at all this offseason.

Why can't Al Queda kidnap Vinny and Danny?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 21, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Please see Gibbs 2.0 and how he used Sellers and your comment makes you look like an idiot, and shows you have no idea what you are talking about. When Sellers had 7 receiving TD's in a year.

I guess when Gibbs throws to Sellers he is a genius and when Zorn calls a similar play he is a moron. Unbelievable.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 21, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse


Yeah, I remember watching Sellers in Gibbs 2.0 offense.

And there's a difference between running your fullback into the flat off of play-action and floating a pass his way vs. sending him on a short post-route over the middle and having the QB fire a pass through his hands.

If you don't know the difference between the 2 and how difficult it is to catch one vs. the other, then you can find the "idiot" in the mirror.

Posted by: p1funk | September 21, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I worry that Zorn's problem isn't his playcalling, so much as it is the philosophy driving that playcalling.

Changing the play is easy. Changing the philosophy that led you to call that play is hard.

His philosophy seems to be cleverness. To beat the opposition by outfoxing them. Now, there's a time for that, for sure. But Zorn seems to go to that well way too often for his/the team's/our own good.

We're in a passing situation, so we'll run. And when that fails, and we're REALLY in a passing situation, we'll run again.

We need a half-yard, so we'll try to go around the end instead of just punching it through.

If you're going to be a good team, you have to be able to successfully execute the play the other team expects you to run. The fact that we rarely try this says to me that Zorn lacks confidence in his players (as plenty of others have said).

Zorn seems to be playing not to lose. That means he's operating out of a position of fear, and if you do that, you're screwed.

One could argue that a coach playing not to lose wouldn't pass up a chip-shot FG to go for it on 4th & less than a yard with only a two point lead. But then when looking at the dumbfounding play call, I'm left thinking that he wanted to be bold (good) but doesn't know how (bad).

That said, I want Zorn to figure it out and be successful, because that will mean the Redskins are successful. But he'd better figure it out quickly, because history has shown that The Owner has a short patience curve.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 21, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I think the most undereported story of this young season is the impact of Albert Haynesworth. This FO gets very little credit, but this dude is beast! I watched every snap of both games, and he makes a huge difference on that defense.

I think the most overreported story is the O-Line.

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Yes! Haynesworth is an absolute monster so far and is looking like a steal.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | September 21, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I like these people who go around telling other people who and when they can and cannot boo. If someone pays a decent amount of money to see Danny-The-Moron's team and they barely beat a stinktastic Rams team, the team deserves to be boo'ed.

Buch of stupids.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 21, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The much more likely scenario though is that IF Zorn gets canned in season Blache takes over.....still don't think it happens unless we lose to Detroit and Tampa but barring that we should all just strap in for poor play calling, bad offense and 6 or 7 win season.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 21, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

2 of my biggest issues with Zorn:

The play call with Portis throwing an option. You are near the goal line and the field is compressed. You need crisp, accurate throws because there is little space. Clinton Portis is not an accurate passer!!!! Worse still, it was a 3rd down play. Terrible call.

With 2:30 to go in the 4th quarter, on 2nd down inside the 10 yard line, Zorn calls a sweep to the short side (left side). Sweeps are designed to get yards near the sideline and typically result in the runner being pushed out of bounds. This is even more true of a run to the short side, since there is less running room.

Why was this such an awful call? Because Betts ran out of room and got pushed out of bounds. You would expect this to happen with that call. It gave the Rams the equivalent of a free timeout. The result was that the Rams got the ball back with 1:55 instead of 1:10 to go in the game.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 21, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will need to address the offensive line next season much the same way they addressed the defensive line this year (Haynesworth, Orakpo and Jarmon).

There's only so long they can ignore it.

Of course it's very possible that they will ignore it yet again to pursue Bradford, Snead, McCoy or some other quarterback instead.


Posted by: dfbovey | September 21, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrence can play right guard

Posted by: fushezzi | September 21, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

So...we have the ball. Jason Campbell has been lights out on a drive, converting 2 or 3 3rd downs, scrambling if need be and moving in the pocket to find open men. Making quick, smart decisions. Drive down the field and Campbell was 5/6 on the drive I believe..something of that nature. Get to the red zone and it's run, run, HB PASS?!?!? You have a QB in rhythm drive you down field and when you FINALLY DECIDE TO THROW A PASS IN THE RED ZONE IT'S WITH YOUR RB?

Yeah...Campbell is the problem.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | September 21, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's bizarre play-calling is quickly turning into a liability for the offense. If the fans want to boo, go for it.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | September 21, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Analogy lesson of the day: Leigh Torrence was to the Redskins Insider in 2008 as Pete Kendell is to the Redskins Insider in 2009.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | September 21, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins will have a huge game against the Lions. It really seemed to me that Zorn learned from his mistakes last week, and they moved the ball very well. They used the no-huddle, Campbell spread the ball out to multiple receivers, Campbell worked more out of the shotgun, they kept Portis fresh by using Mason, Montgomery filled in excellently for R. Thomas.

It's like Zorn had a conversation in his mind and decided to listen to us armchair playcallers and add some productive creativity to his playcalling.

Now, this week, he had some bad luck, especially inside the 10. Dropped passes. An ill-timed trick play. Even a fumble recovery that was negated by a suspect pass-interference call. Last week, he successfully tried a fake field goal against the best D-line in football! A fake field goal! When was the last time you saw that in a regular season game?

Bottom line, Zorn is still working his way through some OJT. He's getting there, and making progress. A 9-7 win may not look good on paper, but the Redskins dominated this game. And, hey, the Redskins got the W.

In the immortal words of Saint Joe, every swinging soul in Burgundy and Gold fought his guts out. It's hard to win up here, and the important fact is the Redskins won the game. There are no style points for winning big in the NFL. Wins are everything.

And for a little perspective, yesterday Norval J. Turner had a 400+ yard passing game by his incredibly talented QB, was at home, and decided, with the game on the line, to give the ball to his 5'6" "change of pace" back on a 4th and 2, which promptly got stuffed by Ray Lewis. Although the Chargers have arguably the most talented team in the NFL, have a much more talented and accomplished Pro Bowl QB, they have the same record as your Washington Redskins. Luckily, we don't have Norv as our coach anymore.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 21, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I say we go with Rinehart and see what we have there. I'd rather have a young guy making a couple mistakes and getting some good burn than a 36 year old that is on his last legs.

Posted by: mburns134 | September 21, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The only reason you'd be able to blame Campbell for the lack of redzone production against the Rams, is if he was changing calls in the huddle or calling audibles into running plays. Which I don't think he was doing.

It's also not his fault that Sellers and Thomas dropped TD passes. They need to target Cooley, Kelly and Davis against the Lions.

Posted by: dfbovey | September 21, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Robert Henson has apologized for his Sunday tweets...over at DC Sportsbog:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/robert_henson_apologizes.html

Posted by: Cindy Boren | September 21, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

You dance with the girl you brought, Vinny. In this case, that means Chad Rinehart and/or Will Montgomery.

Have fun with that, Vinny. And feel lucky that you still have a job despite a decade of terrible drafting, depth-gutting trades and a team full of geezers.

Most clubs wouldn't let you clean their locker room, Vinny, but Dan Snyder lets you run his franchise because you permit him to play fantasy football over your shoulder. So enjoy that and pray that he never hires someone who actually commands authority (like Marty Schottenheimer did) or you'll be out the door faster than you can say Durant Brooks.

Posted by: drischord | September 21, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

And to have to 'boo' a home win is mind-boggling.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 21, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I worry that Zorn's problem isn't his playcalling, so much as it is the philosophy driving that playcalling.

Changing the play is easy. Changing the philosophy that led you to call that play is hard.

His philosophy seems to be cleverness. To beat the opposition by outfoxing them. Now, there's a time for that, for sure. But Zorn seems to go to that well way too often for his/the team's/our own good.

We're in a passing situation, so we'll run. And when that fails, and we're REALLY in a passing situation, we'll run again.

We need a half-yard, so we'll try to go around the end instead of just punching it through.

If you're going to be a good team, you have to be able to successfully execute the play the other team expects you to run. The fact that we rarely try this says to me that Zorn lacks confidence in his players (as plenty of others have said).

Zorn seems to be playing not to lose. That means he's operating out of a position of fear, and if you do that, you're screwed.

One could argue that a coach playing not to lose wouldn't pass up a chip-shot FG to go for it on 4th & less than a yard with only a two point lead. But then when looking at the dumbfounding play call, I'm left thinking that he wanted to be bold (good) but doesn't know how (bad).

That said, I want Zorn to figure it out and be successful, because that will mean the Redskins are successful. But he'd better figure it out quickly, because history has shown that The Owner has a short patience curve.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 21, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I have nothing to add to this, I'm quoting it because I wanted to see it written again.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 21, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said he would consider Will Montgomery, the former Virginia Tech center who filled in for Thomas on Sunday, as well as other players on the roster.

"We have several guys to choose from," Zorn said. "We can't go outside the organization and have someone ready to go against Detroit."

Calling a quick BS on Zorn. Pete Kendall knows the position.

The decision on Kendall is about the organization and its goals. Kendall started (and finished) every game for the Skins in the past 2 seasons and played well. We know he has limits and he's not a long term solution.

The question is, do the Skins want to win in 2009? If the answer is 'yes', Kendall visits Redskins Park. If the answer is 'no', we go with the OL talent on hand and hope they develop.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 21, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Guys who have taken heat but are not the problem:
Jason Campbell
the OL
Clinton Portis
LaDell Betts
ARE
Albert Haynesworth

Guys who are the problem:
DeAngelo Hall
Jim Zorn
Santana Moss
LaRon Landry

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 21, 2009 1:25 PM

I agree with all but Zorn, who should be replaced by Snyder/Vinny. The others should be benched until they man up and get their act together. If not, send them on their way.

Posted by: jswanson51 | September 21, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"....is 36, has arthritic knees and can't practice."

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And your're advocating signing him?

Posted by: filmchis | September 21, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

If he gives the team the best chance of winning now, say, by allowing them to run to the right every now and then, you bet.

Posted by: rbpalmer | September 21, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Laron Landry needs to get correct. He has been pretty average since he joined the team and the attitude he displays on and off the field are questionable.

Not impressive at all for a guy who is supposedly in the upper echelon of safeties.

Posted by: saltine182 | September 21, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Zorn USES Right Guard

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 21, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: freakzilla | September 21, 2009 2:08 PM

Freakzilla, that post was excellent.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 21, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Well DIK, when your own football team scores as many points as the Boston Red Sox, well than, something just ain't right.

Paying boat-loads of $$$$$$ for a 9-7 game makes me almost glad I gave up my season tickets and moved to California a few years ago.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 21, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"f you're going to be a good team, you have to be able to successfully execute the play the other team expects you to run."

So true, freakzila...so true.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 21, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

z, couple things, kendall is a left guard, not a right guard, and its time to take the training wheels off of Rhinehart, put him in and see what we have. He NEEDS to play to determine if they should keep him, or if he can become a starter....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 21, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

promptly got stuffed by Ray Lewis. Although the Chargers have arguably the most talented team in the NFL, have a much more talented and accomplished Pro Bowl QB, they have the same record as your Washington Redskins. Luckily, we don't have Norv as our coach anymore.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 21, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

While I completely agree that the 4th and 2 run with sproles was mystifying, and I would never in any way shape or form defend Turner, the Ravens look pretty good so far and it was a great game.....its not like bad play calling and hanging 9 on the Rams......the next time we lose a game by throwing for over 400 yards and putting up 26 points on a good defense I won't complain, and that next time will also be the first time in a decade and may not happen in my lifetime.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 21, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

also agreed on the criticism of landry, put the monkey away, and get focused on football.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 21, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

During the final drive, Zorn twice went for it on 4th down (for the record, I agree with both decisions).

I wonder, as Zorn was making those choices, if the thought passed through his head "Well, if I'm going to get fired, I'm going down by being aggressive". I'll bet it did.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 21, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Kendell is not a RG...so sick of playing cats out of position...Montgomery or Rhino need to strap on a helmet and play.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 21, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Stop letting JC17 off the hook. The successes he's had do not excuse the shortcomings.

I hope, as many do, that he'll figure it out. But he continues to isolate on a few guys and falls apart at critical times, among other porblems.

I agree that his problems can be alleviated with proper handling, which this staff has yet to evidence.

But to absolve him and cite his current performance makes you sound like a Romo fan.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 21, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Poopy, I'm agreeing w/ you ;-p

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 21, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Landry's problem is honestly the death of Sean Taylor. When we drafted Landry he was gonna be the SS that could be the heat seeking missle he is and lay people out and Sean could play centerfield and cover both sides of the field AND he could still be that heat seeking missle. He was that good. Now they have Landry playin Taylor's role and that's not him. Trying for those big hits from centerfield gives a lot of space to move and make him miss. If he was closer to the line you would see a lot more of those knockout hits. He simply can't be Sean.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | September 21, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is hard not to like. He seems to have ability, but is being treated like a new hire on double secret probation.

Evidently, it's either "defer to Zorn, call the play you're given, or you're getting pulled".

I haven't seen enough of Campbell's decision making, or even his intangibles to dismiss him. But, he looks scared, is in a contract year, and looks afraid to make a mistake, rather than trying to make a play.

Zorn may have played in the league, but he ain't under center anymore. If anyone should understand the value of creative license, while in the middle of the game, shouldn't it be a former NFL QB?

Posted by: ksquare | September 21, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Zorn would be Norval w/ Clearasil

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 21, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Another idea would be to bring back Andrew Crummey, looks he was released by Cincinnati before season started, was with team 1st half of last season on practice squad. another true guard that played well for Bengals at end of last year. Got nudged out when Cincy drafted Smith from Alabama

Posted by: BBDwrestling | September 21, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

z, couple things, kendall is a left guard, not a right guard, and its time to take the training wheels off of Rhinehart, put him in and see what we have. He NEEDS to play to determine if they should keep him, or if he can become a starter....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 21, 2009

I get the difference between LG and RG, though its not nearly as big as the difference at RT vs LT. Kendall has no learning curve on the playbook, etc.

As for whether its the right thing to give the kids a chance, its really about what the mgmt wants to accomplish in 2009. Kendall gives this team a better chance to win now and does nothing for later. Rinehart is an immediate risk with potential to payback over the longer term.

That is a mgmt call. If I've got the highest payroll in the league, I'd think I'd want to win now. if I'm Zorn, and its my job, I'd want to win now. As a fan, I'd like to win now, but we also need to let young players play in order to develop.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 21, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

ksquare,
I agree. Zorn spent the off season defending Campbell and now spends the regular season putting the guy in a box. It makes me wonder if we have heard Zorn's true impression of Campbell. It makes me wonder if maybe Zorn wasn't the guy asking for the Cutler trade...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 21, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

While we grow increasingly tired of Jason Campbell's habit of deflecting guilt to others, and try to understand some other people's interests in digging deep for some positive news in this otherwise dismal performance -- I can only vomit when Coach Zorn suggests that the offensive line's efforts to "protect Jason" stood out as one of the highlights of Sunday's play.

We should remember that this coach was a dismal quarterback in his own right -- and now appears to have an unhealthy tolerance for his quarterback's sustained rotten performance. (Like father, like son?)

It shows once again that while Zorn might have something to offer as a quarterbacks coach, he will never, ever be true head coaching material -- if only because he refuses to make the tough decisions like benching Campbell and getting someone -- anyone -- out there who can make some plays and score some points.


Posted by: Vic1 | September 21, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

z, gotta let em' play, no 2 ways about it, kendall to me, is taking steps backwards....CR has been here 2 years now, he knows the playbook...gotta see what you've got in him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 21, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Zilla,
Do you hear Ronnie Lee in your mind too?

If his voice doesn't shut up soon I think I'll go crazy.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 21, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn = Michael Scott


" I want all the credit and none of the blame"

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 21, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 21, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

So how exactly do you not know who your back-up RG is? We are 2 weeks into the season! Do NOT audition for a roster spot 2 weeks into the season! PLEASE!!!! Make the decision and let the guy get some practice time and confidence! How are you a head coach anyway? Can I mail you a "Coaching for Dummies" manual?

Posted by: wewbank1 | September 21, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"I will repeat that. Jason Campbell is NOT the problem. Posted by: dcwun"

Well, he's part of the problem, but far from the whole thing.

Just as it's hard to evaluate individual offensive linemen apart from their fellows, it's every bit as difficult to assess QBs without taking a hard look at their receivers. And the Skins' receivers are a mixed bag. The reason Marko Mitchell made such an impression in camp is that he held onto the ball. His colleagues frequently didn't.

They're not now, either. They're getting open, they're getting chances, and they're blowing them.

Some of this is Jason, of course. He's a cautious QB who often waits long enough that the defender can close on the ball. But mostly, it's drops. And from vets who are not known for the dropsies.


Posted by: Samson151 | September 21, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Too add to my former comments, isn't it strange that week in and week out Zorn praises Campbell's "decision-making" and then when they are in the red zone Zorn doesn't trust Campbell enough to audible out of the play the defense has predicted?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 21, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Please use the young, bigger receivers in Detroit...what is Zorn waiting for? Why does everything have to be so difficult with this team. Is every game going to be a nail biter again?

Posted by: kdofour2000 | September 21, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Just realized something...
The problem with our trick plays too the right, not just one that we always talk about, but WE DONT RUN TO THE RIGHT, we only run our trick plays to that direction because our trick throwers are all right handed, if Zorn wants to run a gimmick he needs a lefty doing the pass or have the ability to run to that side.

Or is my logic too logical

Posted by: alex35332 | September 21, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's career numbers:

11 seasons

111 TDs, 141 INTs, career rating of 67.3

His best season ever:

1979 Seattle Seahawks 285 out of 505
3,661 yds. 20 TDs 18 INTs

hmmmmmm, perhaps Vic is on to something....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 21, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I haven't seen enough of Campbell's decision making, or even his intangibles to dismiss him. But, he looks scared, is in a contract year, and looks afraid to make a mistake, rather than trying to make a play.

Zorn may have played in the league, but he ain't under center anymore. If anyone should understand the value of creative license, while in the middle of the game, shouldn't it be a former NFL QB?


Posted by: ksquare

He probably looks afraid because he knows the dumb azz play that this coach just called. I like what I see from JC. He finally yelled at Heyer for a missed blocking assignment. He has the tools and will be successful. We are quick to talk about elite QBs in the league but the reality is there are only 3 (Peyton, Brady, and Brees). Come to think of it, we've never had an "elite QB" even when we were winning championships.

Posted by: dcwun | September 21, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Roscoe Parrish is on the trade block again
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 21, 2009 2:40 PM ET
Drafted by the Mike Mularkey Bills in 2005, wide receiver Roscoe Parrish has had four different offensive coordinators during his tenure in Buffalo.

And none of them have known exactly what to do with him.

So with Parrish mostly riding the pine these days, the Bills have decided to see what they can get for him.

A league source tells PFT's Mike Florio that Parrish is on the trade block and he could be dealt as soon as the week.

Possible destinations include the Chiefs, Jaguars, and Redskins.

The Bills are rather short on the offensive line, but it seems more likely that Buffalo would be able to get a late-round draft pick in exchange for Parrish, who is under contract through 2011.

Parrish has no catches on the season as a wide receiver. He has one punt return for five yards.

Posted by: TWISI | September 21, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

cant believe Wilbon is still saying JC is adjusting to a new system.. The following is from the Chat house, today..
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Huntersville, N.C.: From Boswell's WaPo article today-

"One of the critical ways to measure an NFL quarterback is his percentage of touchdown passes. In all eras, from Sammy Baugh (6.2 percent of his passes were touchdowns) to the present, the great passers know how to finish a drive. A typical touchdown percentage for a star is between 4.5 percent and 6 percent. Below 4 percent is poor. Zorn himself, as well as ex-Redskins coach Steve Spurrier, were only at 3.5 percent. Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent. Only 14 quarterbacks, all nonentities, rank lower!"

How is this Jim Zorn's fault and could Bill Cowher change it? How about a Hall of Fame Coach like Joe Gibbs or an offensive genius like say Al Saunders?

washingtonpost.com: Thomas Boswell: Expect the Expected (Washington Post, Sep. 21)

WILBON's RESPONSE

Michael Wilbon: Very nice use of statistics...But didn't Gibbs coach him already? Bill Cower, if he'd wanted to be the coach, would have been the coach already...This is in part about coaching, and in part about the entire franchise and the constant changes made that undermine the development of franchise players. The whole culture of upheaval contribute not just to the issues Campbell is having, but other players, like Lavar Arrington, who had five or six coordinators in five or six years...It's called dysfunction...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 21, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"One of the critical ways to measure an NFL quarterback is his percentage of touchdown passes. In all eras, from Sammy Baugh (6.2 percent of his passes were touchdowns) to the present, the great passers know how to finish a drive. A typical touchdown percentage for a star is between 4.5 percent and 6 percent. Below 4 percent is poor. Zorn himself, as well as ex-Redskins coach Steve Spurrier, were only at 3.5 percent. Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent. Only 14 quarterbacks, all nonentities, rank lower!"

How is this Jim Zorn's fault and could Bill Cowher change it? How about a Hall of Fame Coach like Joe Gibbs or an offensive genius like say Al Saunders?
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Zorn could change it by calling a pass play perhaps? Maybe the receivers catching the 2 passes that hit their hands?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | September 21, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Zorn welcomed Danny Smith's intrusion late in the game, when Smith stopped Zorn from calling a timeout. Zorn said he couldn't see the clock, but Smith could -- and reacted."

BS. He was standing RIGHT NEXT TO HIM.

Posted by: nojunk4me | September 21, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Let the "Smartest Coach Alive " and Vinny figure out where we can get a Guard from. This should have been addressed during the draft / Free agency and now its come back to bite us in the ARSE! 9 pts will not cut it in the NFL especially against a team who lost by 28 the previous week. It can get interesting in the upcoming weeks when our O-Line becomes a Siv at guard!

Posted by: rlomax67 | September 21, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Calling a quick BS on Zorn. Pete Kendall knows the position.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 21, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, yes, but he hasn't been in anyone's camp and would presumably need some time to get in "game" condition. I would sign him anyway, though. I read where some in the NFL said that he was their best O-lineman last year (not high praise, to be sure, but worth something).

Posted by: rbpalmer | September 21, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody thought about moving Mike Williams to OG?

Posted by: smooth72510 | September 21, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2. I do agree with you SOMEWHAT. Even though I'm a Schottenheimer fan, and he did a great job in 2000. He is the coach's version of Peyton Manning. Wins you a lot of games in the reg. season (200-126-1), but chokes when it matters most
(5-13 playoff record). Don't get me started on the Chargers who were 14-2, and CHOKED vs. the Patriots. They seemed to be the better team that year, but choked. I'm sorry, but I would rather have someone that can win championships over someone who forgets how to coach come January. But at the same time, as long as Snyder/Cerrato is running the show, the Detroit Lions will probably win a title before us. We need change. I already feel bad for all of the players who play hard for us, and haven't won any titles. Not their fault. It's the FO's fault for idiotic moves.

Posted by: pbmingie | September 21, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Plug in Rhinehart, he's big and definately UGLY. Thomas is at the end of his career, time for the younguns to shyt or get off the pot.

Posted by: VegasJim | September 22, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Why is that the case? Zorn is a QB coach who played the position. He's credited with raising the level of Hasselbeck's play. He sees JC everyday in practice. Have you ever considered that may play a part in how he calls a game, particularly in the redzone?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 21, 2009 1:02 PM
I'm very happy with JC's improvements under Zorn; I am NOT happy with Zorn's play calling in the red zone.

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 22, 2009 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Has anybody thought about moving Mike Williams to OG?

Posted by: smooth72510 | September 21, 2009 3:20 PM
Then who's gonna play RT if Heyer needs to fill in for Samuels?

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 22, 2009 1:42 AM | Report abuse

could change it by calling a pass play perhaps? Maybe the receivers catching the 2 passes that hit their hands?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | September 21, 2009 2:56 PM
Yeah, that pass to Sellers was perfect, is JC supposed to make like the Flash and zip over and catch his own pass?

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 22, 2009 1:47 AM | Report abuse

In his NFL career, when has Campbell ever thrown the fade route for a TD?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 21, 2009 1:26 PM
When has he had a receiver who could run and finish a fade route??? Randel El or Moss? Give me a break!

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 22, 2009 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Zorn needs to have a conversation in his head about what in HE11 his team does in practice all week!

Practice RED ZONE, ZORN!!

Practice RED ZONE PLAY CALLING!!

Draw some stuff up that works and give it to the Offense!

Practice it!

(By the way, is there any logic in moving ONE of our two viable O Linemen to the Right side, to kinda help balance out our run attack a bit?)

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 22, 2009 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Roscoe Parrish is available from the Bills?!

Don't tell Vinny. He'll trade away all of next years draft picks for him so he can stand on the sidelines and tweet insults at Redskins fans on behalf of the "Offense."

Just thought of something. Our Offense is just that. It is Offensive. It is our one Offense to good football. Which is why Zorn, conversely, is so defensive after each "game."

Explaining an Offense like ours, you'd be Defensive, too!

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 22, 2009 2:38 AM | Report abuse

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