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Redskins, Rabach in contract talks

The Redskins recently opened contract talks with the agent for center Casey Rabach, who could become an unrestricted free agent March 5, a league source said.

Although it appears a deal is not imminent, both sides hope to reach an agreement before Rabach could test the open market. Negotiations are expected to continue during the combine here in Indianapolis.

Rabach is the team's top potential unrestricted free agent, and re-signing him is a priority for General Manager Bruce Allen and Coach Mike Shanahan, according to sources familiar with their thinking. The Redskins' offensive line was among the NFL's least productive last season and only two quarterbacks were sacked more often than Jason Campbell.

But Rabach is a dependable veteran and, with as many as three new starters a possibility on the offensive line next season, re-signing him could help in what is expected to be a major transition for the unit.

By Jason Reid  |  February 25, 2010; 11:55 AM ET
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I'd rather "pounce-y" on a center in the 2nd round.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Good!

Posted by: 4skinz | February 25, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Good...now let's get a couple OTs in the draft.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I'll be interested to see if Rabach is more effective in a scheme that's more zone blocking. He gets pushed around way too much in a power running scheme.

Posted by: dfbovey | February 25, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Good move. I'd rather have Pouncey too, but our roster is talented enough to be spending a top 40 pick on a center/guard.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, lets ship JC off for another overratted SS, we dont have enough of those around here. And Todd Collins is certainly better, anytime you can name an immoblie limp armed 38 yr old qb your starter, you have to do it, right zjfr2? And Colt is certainly better than all of them, he was a third stringer only because he slept with one of the Sherman's girlfriends...

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | February 25, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't arguing to name Collins the starter. I would prefer Pennington, Bulger, or a draftee. My argument was that a 38 year old journeyman noodle armed QB has outperformed at every opportunity, so what exactly are we losing by him leaving? If we can get a 3rd for him do it! Or maybe you and PA are right, year 6 will be his coming out party and his inability to read defenses, keep track of down and distance, throw an accurate pass, be productive while the game is close, not fumble, have any pocket awareness, slow windup, tendency to lock on to receivers, and throw screen passes, a hail mary, or last second 4th and 9 plays (2nd Cowboys game) out of bounds will all vanish and suddenly he'll be a franchise QB......

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Good move. I'd rather have Pouncey too, but our roster is talented enough to be spending a top 40 pick on a center/guard.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 12:20 PM

***isn't talented enough

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Good move. I'd rather have Pouncey too, but our roster is talented enough to be spending a top 40 pick on a center/guard.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 12:20 PM

***isn't talented enough

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 12:23 PM

Make up your mind, you silly old fool.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Rabach seems to have good feet, while not being too big. That should bode well in the new zone scheme. We do have far greater needs on the Oline alone to be worrying about center , he will do fine for a couple more years.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I think the skins should do like Jacksonville did last year and get an OT in the 1st and an OT in the 2nd and fill in everything else after that. Did Garrad get killed with 2nd rookie tackles starting?

Posted by: hammer4 | February 25, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

He played 6 consecutive games when everyone knew he'd be the starter he went 5-1 and probably should have been 6-0 if Rogers completes the easiest pick 6 ever, Cooley catches that TD he dropped, and/or Suisham makes that FG.

Btw, I'm not saying Collins is that good either, I am saying he's better than Campbell which IMO isn't saying that much.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse


When was this because Collins took over in the Bears game then he beat NY, Dallas, Minnesota, and had his ass handed to him by Seattle. He only played 3 games in which the defense preapred for him. By game they had enough tape on him. That's why Seattle crushed him. If you want to blame the Seattle game on sacks then cry me a effing river Campbell is hit before he completes a 3 step drop.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Not once did I make an excuse for Collins in that Seattle game because of sacks. He took all the hits and we still had a lead in the 4th quarter that would have been a two score lead if Cooley doesn't drop a TD and should have been larger than a FG lead if Suisham doesn't miss a 30 some yarder. He didn't need an excuse, he played well enough to win.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Pouncey too, but our roster is talented enough to be spending a top 40 pick on a center/guard.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 12:20 PM

If they do draft Pouncey, it coould a nice succession line. Pouncey can start out at guard, 2 years down the road take over for Rabbach. BTW Whitner is listed as 2nd string FS on the Bills depth chart.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

NFL.com says Donte Whitner is a FS...

And the best the would likely get is a third or a fourth...

And if we want to gyrate with rumors, it's also out there that Jake Plummer wants back in the NFL... last coached by Shanny... and his last GM was Allen... hmmmm?

Trade for Whitner... sign Plummer for 1-year to groom Clausen (not a noodle armed Bradford)... use you 2nd rounder on an OT and your 3rd on a RB...

Posted by: bschaef12 | February 25, 2010 12:23 PM

Donte Whitner is a SS.

Welcome To The Official Web Site of Strong Safety Donte Whitner #20 of the Buffalo Bills. They Said He Wouldn't Make It Out Of The Inner City Of Cleveland, Ohio. But He Did. After All He Saw In Life, They Said He Shouldn't Have Made It To The Ohio State University. But He Did. On April 29, 2006 The Buffalo Bills Drafted, Donte Whitner 8th Overall Pick To Join Their Organization. And They Said He Wouldn't Make It There Either. But He Did. His First Year He Started 14 Out of 15 Games, 107 Tackles, 5 Passes Defended, and 1 Interception. But This Is Only The Beginning...

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Bulaga’s arms long enough
Chris Brown
Posted February 25th, 2010
Tags: Bryan Bulaga, NFL Combine

Where measurables count at the offensive tackle position, Iowa prospect Bryan Bulaga’s arms are long enough in the eyes of scouts.

According to MoveTheSticks.com’s Daniel Jeremiah, Bulaga measured this morning with a 33 1/4 inch arm length. The prevailing thought was he had to measure in at 33 inches minimum.

It all stems from another former Iowa offensive tackle taken with the second pick overall a few years back, Robert Gallery. Gallery had just 32-inch arms and struggled on the edge in pass protection and was eventually transitioned to guard.

I don’t know how much of a difference an inch and a quarter makes at the tackle position, but it’s apparently enough to keep Bulaga in the top half of the first round as a prospect. That’s how fine these NFL GMs and scouts cut it.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see them talk to the Rams about Atogwe and a pick also, either the Bills or the Rams one would work for me.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 11:42 AM

Haslett was the defensive coordinator and then interim head coach when the Rams started the multi-season exercise starting with the highest RFA tender then serial franchise tags, i.e., Haslett probably would agree about Atogwe as a FS candidate of interest.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm willing to bet[figuratively, gamblers] the sticking point in these negotiations will be the length of the contract rather than the amount of annual compensation. I think RABACH's on the downhill side of his longevity in the NFL, but they want to re-sign him simply because there are too many other holes in the o-line to plug at this point to deal with his level of play.

It's the conservative way to approach the o-line rebuild. Don't blow up everything at once. But if they reach an impass in negotiations, I'm sure he won't be able to put a gun in the club's ribs.

I can't see WIL MONTGOMERY being on the team after cuts next summer, just too small for the NFL. EDWIN WILLIAMS has some potential in the back-up center position, however.

Look at CECIL NEWTON who was on the JAGS practice squad weeks 1-13, and the non-play list for weeks 14-16. I thought he would have been a great replacement for MONTGOMERY last year.

MATT McCRACKEN should be looked at post-draft if he's pushed out of the lower rounds, though not necessarily for the back-up center spot. He's a solid player a LG as DOCKERY's back-up.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

It's true that Collins has outperformed Campbell at every opportunity. It's also true that neither one should be the starter here in 2010.

And it's also apparent that many years of Dan Snyder owning the team has resulted in a fanbase that sets its sights very low (and that's not a knock on those fans, it's understandable after the perennial disappointment Redskins fans endure).

We all need to demand - and expect - more from this team, from the FO to the field. And that means expecting a better product at every position.

I have no desire to watch a team that is engaged in fielding players who "aren't great but aren't the worst."

We've had too many years of that already.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 25, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

***Re-post***

I thought Collins played in the last four games in 2007 plus the one playoff game?

Five games. Not six.

When thew defense took away the screens, slants, and the rest of the short stuff, Collins couldn't make the throws downfield consistently.

Give whatever reason you want for Gibbs going over Todd Collins, but I know this: NO ONE on the planet with any type of credibility was clamoring for Collins to start over Campbell. Ever. No coaches, no players, no front office types, no "unnamed sources" -- NOBODY!

It baffles me how much some of you are so agenda driven that you'll just make outlandish claims.

Collins is better than Campbell??? Right, based on few games he strung together in 2007. Or maybe it's those few starts he had a few years ago.

In 1997.
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LMAO @ zj and Chad Pennington. Chad Pennington can't tie his cleats without his shoulder dislocating, and you want him as the starting QB?

They mine as well bring back Brunell and Ferrotte while they're at it.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

use you 2nd rounder on an OT and your 3rd on a RB...

Posted by: bschaef12 | February 25, 2010 12:23 PM

We have a third all of a sudden?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Allen: Damb. We have an UFA free agent center we need to re-sign and nada behind him. This is gonna leave a mark on the wallet, he's getting up there in years, and his performance is falling off.

Shanahan: I think I drafted a center that Belichek Jr. cut ... check it out, get him in here, introduce him to Casey and his agent, then lets get this figured out before the start of free agency.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Not sure why you'd say that when JC was the subject of trade rumors last year too. Last time I checked, he played.

I still maintain that you keep him, unless there's an obvious upgrade available in free agency.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2010 12:10 PM


Eh...because he is once again for the 2nd season in a row subject to talk of trade rumors.....

...Didn't he demand to be traded last year, but backed off because of 'trade rumors'??

Where is his mental at now that a new regime might not want him?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
12:28 EST
"Former Washington Redskins quarterbacks Gus Frerrotte, more famous for headbutting a wall, and soon to be former Super Bowl Winning back-up QB, Mark Brunell, BOTH have reached out to Mike Shanahan in an attempt to qb the team in the near future"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins' offensive line was among the NFL's least productive last season and only two quarterbacks were sacked more often than Jason Campbell.

By: JReid

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

What he failed to say, but I know he meant to include:

The 2 sacked more times than Jason Campbell were Aaron Rodgers and Ben Rothelsberger. One who made it to the playoffs and the other was right at the door of the playoffs....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

And if we want to gyrate with rumors, it's also out there that Jake Plummer wants back in the NFL... last coached by Shanny... and his last GM was Allen... hmmmm?

Posted by: bschaef12 | February 25, 2010 12:23 PM

He's 36 years old and hasn't played in four years. Very unlikely he wants back. He's moved on. As for Shanny, Plummer was angry that he got benched for Cutler. As for Allen, well he refused to report to Tampa.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

My good friend Chase Stuart of www.pro-football-reference.com will be helping out with some projects as we lead up to the April Draft. Everyone says it takes 3-4 years to know if you’ve hit or missed on a draft pick. Here is a look at the percentage of players that started for their drafting team in their 4th season. The list is sorted by position and the round the players were selected. This study runs from the 1990 draft through the 2005 draft. I will post the results on the offensive side of the ball in the next few days.

* Defensive Line:

* Round 1: 70%
* Round 2: 42%
* Round 3: 25%
* Round 4: 26%
* Round 5: 26%
* Round 6: 19%
* Round 7: 7%

* Linebackers:

* Round 1: 67%
* Round 2: 49%
* Round 3: 43%
* Round 4: 33%
* Round 5: 23%
* Round 6: 12%
* Round 7: 8%

* Defensive Backs:

* Round 1: 69%
* Round 2: 58%
* Round 3: 29%
* Round 4: 19%
* Round 5: 14%
* Round 6: 13%
* Round 7: 10%

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Coach Szovati's 2010 Redskin Draft:

mid to low 1st: OT Bruce Campbell, 2nd: HB Ryan Mathews/Anthony Dixon, 2nd: OT Vladimir Ducasse, 3rd: OG Mike Johnson, 4th: LB A.J. Edds, 5th FB Rashawn Jackson, 7th: C Eric Alsen/ John Estes.

I opt to trade out of the 4th overall pick since someone like Al Davis is willing to give me a lower 1st, high 2nd And mid 3rd. We can fill alot more needs with the extra picks.
Drafting offensive lineman is never an exciting draft but it HAS to be done to set us up for the future. we my not agree on the names but we need at least 3 offensive Linemen to come from this draft.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings?tag=untagged

Posted by: lszovati | February 25, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

My previous post is taken from movethesticks.com

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Not once did I make an excuse for Collins in that Seattle game because of sacks. He took all the hits and we still had a lead in the 4th quarter that would have been a two score lead if Cooley doesn't drop a TD and should have been larger than a FG lead if Suisham doesn't miss a 30 some yarder. He didn't need an excuse, he played well enough to win.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

We watched a different game then because I saw a game in which we were shut out going into the 4th quarter and TC threw 2 pick 6s with the game on the line and only put up 14 points but I guess that's good enough to win?


ifififififif...
If suisham makes the field goal we beat the Saints
If The defense stops Carolina we beat them.
If Rogers doesn'y bite on double moves we beat Philly and Detroit.
ififififif

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I opt to trade out of the 4th overall pick since someone like Al Davis is willing to give me a lower 1st, high 2nd And mid 3rd. We can fill alot more needs with the extra picks.

Not even Al Davis is willing to do that for #4.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 12:26 PM

RE: Whitner FS/SS

http://www.nfl.com/teams/buffalobills/depthchart?team=BUF

He says he's a SS. I've seen him listed @ both positions. His size 5'10 208 would suggest that he would be a FS. Either way he was a reach by the Bills @ #8.

"As a strong safety, Whitner is undersized and might be why teams will look at moving him to free safety or the corner. He has exceptional ability to match up in single coverage, but at times gets turned around because he is not used to being locked up man to man. In the strong safety, he may have problems covering tight ends due to a lack of size."

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Haslett wants Whitner because the Redskins are going to transition to a more traditional secondary where the free safety and strong safety are both interchangeable. If he's sold on Landry being an intimidator, then this would make intimidation times two and although Whitner is more of a strong safety type, he has greater mobility that either Doughty or Horton. The strong safeties in Blache's defense were essentially fourth linebackers. It could be that Haslett doesn't see them as a good fit in the defense he plans to run, where the safeties might be put into more deep coverage.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I DEMAND A BETTER PRODUCT ON THE FIELD AND IN THE FRONT OFFICE!!!!!

SERIOUSLY!

DE....

MAND!!!!!!

Well, that oughta do it. Championship!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

If Jason Campbell gets traded, does this mean an end to all of the Campbell apologists? Or will they keep second guessing the next quarterback saying JC could have done it better? Just asking so I know what to prepare for.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Jarius Byrd (2nd round pick in 2009 ... as a free safety) went onto IR in late December ... and was replaced by Brandon Meriweather ...

Could Whitner lose his starting job?

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 11, 2009 12:56 PM ET

Donte Whitner has performed a variety of roles since getting drafted eighth overall by the Bills in 2006. He's played strong safety, nickel cornerback, and free safety.

Now he's facing the surprising possibility of a new role: reserve.

FoxSports.com reports that Buffalo's coaching staff is eager to see what rookie second round pick Jairus Byrd can do in training camp. If Byrd performs well, he could start at free safety, with journeyman Bryan Scott at strong safety.

Whitner was arrested earlier this offseason, but the competition looks to be based on his play. Buffalo is looking for more playmaking ability in their secondary and believes Byrd, a former cornerback, could provide it. Whitner has only two interceptions in his career.

If Whitner loses the starting gig, he won't be moving back to nickel corner. He'll be a utility man at both safety spots.

No matter how valuable Whitner's versatility is, that would be a disappointing role for a player drafted so highly.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I think JC is a good fit for Buffalo: they're used to losing and JC can help them with that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I DEMAND A BETTER PRODUCT ON THE FIELD AND IN THE FRONT OFFICE!!!!!

SERIOUSLY!

DE....

MAND!!!!!!

Well, that oughta do it. Championship!


Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2010 12:46 PM |
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LOL... Wise guy.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 25, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I opt to trade out of the 4th overall pick since someone like Al Davis is willing to give me a lower 1st, high 2nd And mid 3rd. We can fill alot more needs with the extra picks.
Drafting offensive lineman is never an exciting draft but it HAS to be done to set us up for the future. we my not agree on the names but we need at least 3 offensive Linemen to come from this draft.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings?tag=untagged

Posted by: lszovati | February 25, 2010 12:41 PM |

Not even Al Davis is willing to do that for #4.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Keep Rabach?

This means Rabach and Dockery will be with the team next season.

But what about Samuels, Heyer, Jones, and Williams?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

LMAO @ zj and Chad Pennington. Chad Pennington can't tie his cleats without his shoulder dislocating, and you want him as the starting QB?

They mine as well bring back Brunell and Ferrotte while they're at it.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Yeah or we should just stick with a guy who isn't very good when we could possibly move him to aid in our rebuilding effort while easily being able to replace his mediocre production. I don't care who the QB is, if anybody will trade anything that's a 3rd round pick or better for Campbell we should do it before they finish the sentence. And whether he's replaced by a FA or a draft pick that's fine. We are stuck in mediocrity with JC and always will be as long as he's the qb.

IMO - trade JC and Carlos both for the best deal you can get, which is probably a 3rd for each.

Draft:
1 - Tackle
2 - Tackle
3 - running back
3 - Jevon Snead
4 - Guard
5 - LB
7 - WR

Cut - ARE, Thomas, Smoot.

Sign a vet QB and bring Snead in along with Colt, Collins, and the guy they signed off someone's practice squad last season. The Vet QB and Snead are on the roster, the other 3 battle for the 3rd QB spot. The vet starts, Snead is the emergency year one, and starts in 2011.

Sign a FS, Larry Foote, a corner, a guard. That's it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

If Jason Campbell gets traded, does this mean an end to all of the Campbell apologists? Or will they keep second guessing the next quarterback saying JC could have done it better? Just asking so I know what to prepare for.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 12:47 PM

We "apologists" prefer the term "advocates" and will be second guessing the replacement (and be joined by the Campbell haters who have the attention span of a hamster and have no fidelity to their own prior opinions).

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

LOL... Wise guy.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 25, 2010 12:49 PM

crack myself up ;)

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

If Jason Campbell gets traded, does this mean an end to all of the Campbell apologists? Or will they keep second guessing the next quarterback saying JC could have done it better? Just asking so I know what to prepare for.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse


No, we'll probably just defend the next QB that can't win here and is blamed for all the teams's struggles.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Rabach is very mediocre. Has anyone else noticed that Rabach seems to be the one to always get called for a penalty when we break a long play? He has been in the league for a while and its always the same deal with him....

Posted by: stevearenowe | February 25, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

ifififififif...
If suisham makes the field goal we beat the Saints
If The defense stops Carolina we beat them.
If Rogers doesn'y bite on double moves we beat Philly and Detroit.
ififififif

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

IFFFFFFFF only you could get an opportunity to have funky man love with JC

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see them talk to the Rams about Atogwe and a pick also, either the Bills or the Rams one would work for me.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 11:42 AM

Haslett was the defensive coordinator and then interim head coach when the Rams started the multi-season exercise starting with the highest RFA tender then serial franchise tags, i.e., Haslett probably would agree about Atogwe as a FS candidate of interest.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 12:31 PM

If we were to trade JC for Atogwe, we would be the team throwing in the pick. No way we could even do that deal straight up.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

dcsween:

Comments on WALTERFOOTBALL not flattering to CHANCELLOR. Listed as the 22nd best safety, ranked 7th round to undrafted.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2010 11:18 AM

This is why I asked the question of people who actually follow Virginia Tech football and watch ACC games.

The mockery/scouting sites similarly poop all over Jevon Snead, but with zjfr pointing to him in the third round and a possible "The" guy in 2001, I figure there is more actual viewing of college football that goes along with that.

[btw, I've seen other sites that put Chancellor in the 3rd/4th round range.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

What round compensation is fair for what would effectively be a trade for a starting QB and a starting FS/SS do you all think?

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

And no thank you ma'am on Snead. I dont neeed to go from a questionable pro that won in the SEC to a questionable pro that lost in the SEC.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

IFFFFFFFF only you could get an opportunity to have funky man love with JC

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Todd Collin's man batter is stuck to your keyboard.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know how Whitner performed as a free safety?

It can't be all that great if he's going to get benched, but we definitely don't need a strong safety - that's the deepest spot on our roster.

What kind of pick does the rumor say Buffalo is dangling?

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

If we were to trade JC for Atogwe, we would be the team throwing in the pick. No way we could even do that deal straight up.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 12:52 PM

Correction ... no way Vinny Cerrato could even do that deal straight up. This time around, someone with a personality is actually involved.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

If Jason Campbell gets traded, does this mean an end to all of the Campbell apologists? Or will they keep second guessing the next quarterback saying JC could have done it better? Just asking so I know what to prepare for.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

No, we'll probably just defend the next QB that can't win here and is blamed for all the teams's struggles.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 12:52 PM
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Yes, but what if his jersey number isn't 17? What are you going to do with your ID then, huh? They could give jersey number 17 to Tebow, then you'll be defending a slash player who will be riding the pine. Hah! then you'll have to change your handle to something like "PA_IMADICKDON'THATEMEFORIT".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Oshiomogho also had the pick six against us when Hasletts Rams beat us. He is arguably the best player on their team, they would ask a ton for him. We might as well see if Zona wants to discuss A. Wilson and Rolle, Kurt warner did just leave...

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

What kind of pick does the rumor say Buffalo is dangling?

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 12:58 PM

ham sandwich

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about you guys, but why do I get the feeling we have a solid front office that knows what it's doing???

Posted by: rickyroge | February 25, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but what if his jersey number isn't 17? What are you going to do with your ID then, huh? They could give jersey number 17 to Tebow, then you'll be defending a slash player who will be riding the pine. Hah! then you'll have to change your handle to something like "PA_IMADICKDON'THATEMEFORIT".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow, you call yourself a Redskins fan and think the #17 refers to Jason Campbell. Where do you think he got the number from? It's the same place I did. I'll give you a while to google it since you obviously don't know much about this team's history.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

[btw, I've seen other sites that put Chancellor in the 3rd/4th round range.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 12:56 PM

Chancellor is 6'3 230 and a step slow 4.6 40. He will be a SS in the NFL. Probably 4-6 range.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

dcsween:

Comments on WALTERFOOTBALL not flattering to CHANCELLOR. Listed as the 22nd best safety, ranked 7th round to undrafted.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2010 11:18 AM

This is why I asked the question of people who actually follow Virginia Tech football and watch ACC games.

The mockery/scouting sites similarly poop all over Jevon Snead, but with zjfr pointing to him in the third round and a possible "The" guy in 2001, I figure there is more actual viewing of college football that goes along with that.

[btw, I've seen other sites that put Chancellor in the 3rd/4th round range.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

DC, I saw Chance play line approximately 15 times. He's big and is a great hitter he's got very decent ball skills when the ball is in the air, good body control etc. and good hands. Where I will fully agree that he is limited is in range. His speed is average at best, if he can get to a play 9 times out of 10 he makes it, but I think he would get exposed more in the NFL for his lack of speed.

Snead I saw play live only 3 times. Twice this year once last year. IMO physically he's the total package and has an awesome arm. In the two games I saw this year (both losses) it seemed like he was forcing trying to make plays because the team was trailing early and he and McCluster were basically their entire offense. There receivers stunk.

I'm not the only one that thought this either:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4819750

If you're not a insider here's the conclusion:

The Football Scientist Lab Result: Add continued improvement in the decision making area with a group of solid NFL-caliber wide receivers to Snead's well documented accuracy and it could equal one of the top 10-15 quarterbacks in the league. He gets a TFS seal of approval as long as he is paired up with a solid positional coach and offensive coordinator.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

If Jason Campbell gets traded, does this mean an end to all of the Campbell apologists? Or will they keep second guessing the next quarterback saying JC could have done it better? Just asking so I know what to prepare for.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 12:47 PM


No, they won't.

I've come to learn that the JC apologists have an amazing sentimental attachment to the man that transcends rational thought/behavior.

I find it mind-boggling considering this quarterback has a losing record as a starter and has never been in a post-season game. Yet he continues to be touted as the shining great hope for success here, and if we move him or don't re-sign him it will be the demise of the new Shallen regime.

I guess it's akin to the innate mother-child link.

If we trade JC, the apologists will post his game stats and progress updates every opportunity they get, much like a mother constantly talking about how wonderful their child finger-paints.

Anyhow, that having been said, I'm waiting to get jumped on by the usual cadre...

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

What kind of pick does the rumor say Buffalo is dangling?

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 12:58 PM

ham sandwich

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 1:00 PM

I read that it was chicken wings.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

What kind of pick does the rumor say Buffalo is dangling?

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 12:58 PM

ham sandwich

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse


Well, then, I'm sold. Where do we sign?

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

If we were to trade JC for Atogwe, we would be the team throwing in the pick. No way we could even do that deal straight up.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 12:52 PM

Correction ... no way Vinny Cerrato could even do that deal straight up. This time around, someone with a personality is actually involved.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 12:59 PM

Correction...While you're right about the upgrade in the FO. No way the Rams front office would go for that trade.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse


lol, it will be like Antonio Pearce regret multiplied by Legh Torrence references. All of a 30% career winner.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I had underestimated JC17 trade value. We can actually get something for him? A third rounder and possibly a player to boot. I'm really exited about the direction Shanny is going!

Posted by: sthai75 | February 25, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:07 PM

The haters will do the same with every interception, lost game, and failed 2 min comeback.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

As long as we don't give him more than 1 year of serious guaranteed money, why not re-sign him? We can always replace him if we find someone better. It's an uncapped year.

Posted by: Dellis2 | February 25, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

It's just grossly stupid to blame Jason Campbell entirely for a weak and under-performing offense.

What about:

The play-calling?
The offensive line?
The WRs?
The running game?


It seems that these things have never clicked all at the same time, or one or two wasn't as strong as it should have been since Campbell has been here. Or that one was strong but wasn't enough mask the deficiencies of the other.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Houston to trade out of first round?
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With Dunta Robinson headed elsewhere for the 2010 season, the Houston Texans have a major need at cornerback. One way they could address the need is via free agency, with Leigh Bodden leading the class, and they could also use their top draft pick in one way or another.

The Texans will either pick 19th or 20th in the first round (with a coin flip to determine the actual selection coming on Friday), but it's believed that only Joe Haden is worthy of a first round selection. One possibility is for the team to trade out of that pick (possibly to a team that wants to jump ahead of the Bengals for a TE or WR), and wait to grab someone in the second round. Then again, maybe they'll think highly enough of the second tier CBs -- Patrick Robinson and Kyle Wilson amongst others -- to pull the trigger at No. 19 or 20.


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Maybe we could send them Carlos and our 4th for their 1st?

Go QB at 4, tackle, tackle.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

lol, it will be like Antonio Pearce regret multiplied by Legh Torrence references. All of a 30% career winner.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

You mean pro bowl and super bowl champion linebacker Antonio Pierce? I don't think that's the particular example you should use. That kind of makes our point more than it does yours.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but what if his jersey number isn't 17? What are you going to do with your ID then, huh? They could give jersey number 17 to Tebow, then you'll be defending a slash player who will be riding the pine. Hah! then you'll have to change your handle to something like "PA_IMADICKDON'THATEMEFORIT".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow, you call yourself a Redskins fan and think the #17 refers to Jason Campbell. Where do you think he got the number from? It's the same place I did. I'll give you a while to google it since you obviously don't know much about this team's history.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 1:04 PM
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I've never heard you defend Doug Williams or Billy Kilmer on here so I naturally assumed that since you have a man-crush on Campbell that is where you got your handle from. I still think my suggestion fits better.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:07 PM

The haters will do the same with every interception, lost game, and failed 2 min comeback.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

completely disagree. If Campbell ever won even 50% of his starts, ever pulled off a 2 min. comeback or sniffed the playoffs you wouldn't hear me complaining. Is that too much to ask for?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Technically, I think the ham sandwiches are available in the lunch line during the Draft at the Radio City Music Hall ... Bills probably would let the Skins cut in line.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:07 PM

The haters will do the same with every interception, lost game, and failed 2 min comeback.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse


Will they? Not me.

I wouldn't say I'm "hater", but I'm not running to the man's defense.

As a Redskins fan I've seen enough ints, lost games and failed 2 min comebacks from JC to last a lifetime.

If he gets shipped out of here the last thing I'm going to do is track his lack of progress on another team...

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

What kind of pick does the rumor say Buffalo is dangling?

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 12:58 PM

ham sandwich

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 1:00 PM
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That was an insult to ham sandwiches.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 25, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

all this jc/todd collins talk actually makes the APierce talk seem levelheaded, rational, and coherent...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:07 PM

The haters will do the same with every interception, lost game, and failed 2 min comeback.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

completely disagree. If Campbell ever won even 50% of his starts, ever pulled off a 2 min. comeback or sniffed the playoffs you wouldn't hear me complaining. Is that too much to ask for?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:16 PM
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Nope, but I don't see that in the future for Campbell if he heads to Buffalo. Their offensive line is pretty messed up. Maybe that's why they want Campbell - he can handle getting sacked forty times in a season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

and if the wings are from the Anchor Bar in Buffalo, then we might be onto something.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I've never heard you defend Doug Williams or Billy Kilmer on here so I naturally assumed that since you have a man-crush on Campbell that is where you got your handle from. I still think my suggestion fits better.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse


I never had to defend Doug Williams. If it were up to you idiots he would have been cut or traded for a ham sandwich and we would have lost the super bowl. BTW, why do all the Campbell haters start talking about gay stuff when they run out of facts? At first I thought it was just zjfr2 that was a closeted homo but now RedSkinHead too? I wonder if p1funk is also gay? NTTAWWT. I actually don't have any hatred towards gay people but if you guys think that's an insult then go ahead and keep using it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we could send them Carlos and our 4th for their 1st?

Go QB at 4, tackle, tackle.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse


How about Carlos and our 1st for their 1st and a whole rack of their draft picks?

The Texans fancy themselves a contender and maybe they'd be interested in getting a high-impact player off the bat at #4, and a "starting" corner in exchange for a bunch of their other picks.

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

You mean pro bowl and super bowl champion linebacker Antonio Pierce? I don't think that's the particular example you should use. That kind of makes our point more than it does yours.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

No that is my point. Obviously its been this organization, teams, system, surrounding talent, and lack of support that has held back the true hall of fame caliber talent JC possesses and as soon as he gets somewhere else he'll show us all what has been forced into repression by us that would come out if we could just wait a few more years and build a 52 man pro bowl roster around him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Anyhow, that having been said, I'm waiting to get jumped on by the usual cadre...

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse


I wonder if p1funk is also gay? NTTAWWT. I actually don't have any hatred towards gay people but if you guys think that's an insult then go ahead and keep using it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse


See. It didn't take long. About 14 minutes.

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:17 PM

I'm with on that. My concern will be on who is on the team, but I can see the Vicc, cliftonbiz,SkinsNeedaGM of the world bombarding this blog for another year with all of JC's failings.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

DC, I saw Chance play line approximately 15 times. He's big and is a great hitter he's got very decent ball skills when the ball is in the air, good body control etc. and good hands. Where I will fully agree that he is limited is in range. His speed is average at best, if he can get to a play 9 times out of 10 he makes it, but I think he would get exposed more in the NFL for his lack of speed.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:04 PM

THANKS. That was I was hoping to hear about. That said, the knock on Horton was that he was too slow ... but this season, speed wasn't his problem as much as mis-reads and mis-reactions. That said (and assuming Atogwe is off limits), anybody here remember Myron Rolle's senior year?

[Also, thanks about the Snead breakdown ... I suspected there was more to it ... the one consistent thing I've read about Shanahan's priority in a QB is accuracy. When I read QB writeups, I pass on the ones that flag accuracy concerns and the only ones I pause on are the ones that list accuracy as a top attribute ... which is what they all say about about Clausen and Bradford ... as well as Zac Robinson. I figure now I will try to keep up about what people are thinking about Snead.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

No that is my point. Obviously its been this organization, teams, system, surrounding talent, and lack of support that has held back the true hall of fame caliber talent JC possesses and as soon as he gets somewhere else he'll show us all what has been forced into repression by us that would come out if we could just wait a few more years and build a 52 man pro bowl roster around him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

How about instead of "hall of fame" we use "pro bowl" and instead of "52 man pro bowl" we use "52 man legitimate nfl talent" and that's the situation into which Pierce entered and won a super bowl. That's our point to a T. If JC is surrounded by real NFL level talent then we can win with him. Once again, that's our point not yours.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Snead no thank you Ma'am. Myron Rolle hellz yeah, need more Rhodes scholars on this team.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

completely disagree. If Campbell ever won even 50% of his starts, ever pulled off a 2 min. comeback or sniffed the playoffs you wouldn't hear me complaining. Is that too much to ask for?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Winning % is a team statistic
Reaching the playoffs takes a team effort.

Don't care who the QB is, as long as Shanny/Allen can put together a team capable of contending for at least a playoff spot.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 25, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

and if the wings are from the Anchor Bar in Buffalo, then we might be onto something.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

My old stomping ground.

Don't forget Mighty Taco, Buffalo Wild Wings, Duffs, Wegmans Subs, Jim's steak-out, pearl st. bar and grill...etc etc... theres a reason Buffalo is one of the fattest cities...

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

wow, that really sucks, i hope beyond hope that he is our back-up, we cant go on like this or the front office is saying that we are re-building with no chance of going to playoffs next year, if you're going to re-sign rabach, please just say that next year is a wash

GO Skins in 2011!!!

sorry i hate rabach he is by far and away my least favorite player on the team, why b/c he sucks, im glad he's dependable, but it would be better if he didnt play for us

Posted by: retroskins14 | February 25, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

figure now I will try to keep up about what people are thinking about Snead.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

right now he's being projected as a 4th to 6th round pick because he had a ton of picks last year. That link I posted also broke down that 6 of his picks last season were receiver errors, wrong routes, tipped balls that hit them in the hands etc. and that several of the others were him just forcing the ball deep trying to make plays late. Also it talked about the fact that he had not been coached well about his eyes, that he was tipping where he was going on slants and such in his pre-snap actions. IMO, he'll have the most impressive combine since McCoy, Bradford, and Clausen are all not throwing and he's going to move up this week. We'll see, that's just my gut from watching him play cause he can make every throw in the book on the money.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm with on that. My concern will be on who is on the team, but I can see the Vicc, cliftonbiz,SkinsNeedaGM of the world bombarding this blog for another year with all of JC's failings.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse


You mean Vic1? I haven't seen Vicc do that.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

“I never had to defend Doug Williams. If it were up to you idiots he would have been cut or traded for a ham sandwich and we would have lost the super bowl.”

Quote of the day in my book. Would have been really fun if this blog were active in 1988 - 90 when Mark Rypien was the starter. That guy constantly choked in the big games or was getting hurt all the time and the only thing he had going for him heading onto the 1991 season was one lousy wildcard win. Shoot, we’ve have all seen the NFL films with Matt Millen on the 49ers saying that they knew they would beat the skins as soon as they saw the look in Rypien’s eyes (fear). What a loser that guy is. They should have traded him for a ham sandwich as soon as they lost to the 49ers in the playoffs. Especially with that young gunslinger Stan Humphries on the roster……that guy has “it”.

For the record, I think they need to keep Campbell for one more year so they can either groom someone or pick a QB in next year’s draft unless they get a sure fire replacement in this years draft. I guess that makes me in love with him…….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

How about Carlos and our 1st for their 1st and a whole rack of their draft picks?

The Texans fancy themselves a contender and maybe they'd be interested in getting a high-impact player off the bat at #4, and a "starting" corner in exchange for a bunch of their other picks.

Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:22 PM

Speaking of the Texans, how about a trade of ARE and one of the spare defensive tackles for Kevin Walter and a whole rack of short ribs.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Nope, but I don't see that in the future for Campbell if he heads to Buffalo. Their offensive line is pretty messed up. Maybe that's why they want Campbell - he can handle getting sacked forty times in a season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 1:19 PM
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He was sacked forty times because he had to wait for a wide reciever to get separation for 10 yards or less..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 25, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of what you think (or not) of JC17, it's readily apparent that the team will need at least two QBs to get through next season and beyond. And for too long, JC17 has had this team over a barrel because they had few viable alternatives -- while some regarded JC17 as the "least bad" of several other terrible alternatives -- like playing the white guy, or getting somebody else in there who might actually know what he's doing.

Personally, I would like to see the Redskins draft a QB AND take one from free agency, and then if we must, offer a minimum tender to JC17 too -- if only to trade him away later for draft picks and ham sandwiches.

I also find it hard to understand why Redskins can't fix the QB position and the O Line at the same time.

It also bugs me that many people have already written off any chance of the Redskins actually competing for the division in 2010 and beyond -- that is, until JC17 and CP26 (among others) are gone and the Redskins have an opportunity to restock their skilled positions from the supposedly "deeper" draft classes coming in the years ahead. The short answer to that is to get rid of JC17 and CP26 now, and get some real players in there who can get it done.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 25, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

sorry i hate rabach he is by far and away my least favorite player on the team, why b/c he sucks, im glad he's dependable, but it would be better if he didnt play for us

Posted by: retroskins14 | February 25, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse


He might do batter in the new scheme and he may benefit from having some actual help at right guard. I know I have been pretty harsh on him but we really don't know what the blocking assignments were. Maybe he was suppsoed to have help when he was getting knocked over backwards. He did seem alot better when BMW was working with him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

right now he's being projected as a 4th to 6th round pick because he had a ton of picks last year. That link I posted also broke down that 6 of his picks last season were receiver errors, wrong routes, tipped balls that hit them in the hands etc. and that several of the others were him just forcing the ball deep trying to make plays late. Also it talked about the fact that he had not been coached well about his eyes, that he was tipping where he was going on slants and such in his pre-snap actions...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Jason Cambell.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

ryp, my inlaws live out that way, anchor bar is the BOMB...

buffalo is fat cuz people don't leave their houses for 9 months a year...and eat at those aforementioned places....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

It also bugs me that many people have already written off any chance of the Redskins actually competing for the division in 2010 and beyond -- that is, until JC17 and CP26 (among others) are gone and the Redskins have an opportunity to restock their skilled positions from the supposedly "deeper" draft classes coming in the years ahead. The short answer to that is to get rid of JC17 and CP26 now, and get some real players in there who can get it done.


Posted by: Vic1 | February 25, 2010 1:36 PM
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Agreed.. Parcells did a pretty good job from worst to near first... Believe one of the "change agents" was Pennington.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 25, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

... right now he's being projected as a 4th to 6th round pick because he had a ton of picks last year. That link I posted also broke down that 6 of his picks last season were receiver errors, wrong routes, tipped balls that hit them in the hands etc. ...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:34 PM

Sounds like the Combine is his only real shot to move up ... because throwing to his own receivers during his Pro Day isn't going to be of much use ... and that its really on the eyes of the scouts on every one of those throws that is going to give the necessary looks (though it sounds like film would confirm this all anyway).

I know that they sent Campbell to college pro days to throw to guys they were thinking about ... I wonder if they would bring a couple of their own receivers to judge QBs.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Bean - this is true. Buffalo has two seasons: Winter and construction.

Anchor bar is definitely up to the hype. If you haven't ever checked out any of those other places, you should treat yourself...

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I think they need to keep Campbell for one more year so they can either groom someone or pick a QB in next year’s draft unless they get a sure fire replacement in this years draft. I guess that makes me in love with him…….


Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse


I have the same opinion. I think we'll get a better prospect next year at a much better price. I'd much rather have Ryan Mallet, Pat Devlin, Jake Locker, or Christian Ponder than Bradford or Clausen. Even if we do somehow pull 8-8 which I think is the best case scenario we'd still get one of those guys.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I thought PAskinsfan was a big Danny Wuerffel backer and thats where the 17 came from.

Seriously, what is the point of arguing about TC/JC? The both have played average to terrible with the exception of a 4 game stretch for Collins in Al Saunders offense and JC at the beginning of 2008 with Portis rushing for 100 every week.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | February 25, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

There are two kinds of skins fan. JC17 lovers and haters. anyway you slice it JC17 is a goner sooner or later he's a goner. I'm for sooner rather than later. Does this mean Shanny is a JC17 hater. Why won't he consider giving him one more year? Why all this trade talk and speculation. Maybe because JC17 is not really that good as starter in the NFL. Remember Tim Couch?

Posted by: sthai75 | February 25, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

right now he's being projected as a 4th to 6th round pick because he had a ton of picks last year. That link I posted also broke down that 6 of his picks last season were receiver errors, wrong routes, tipped balls that hit them in the hands etc. and that several of the others were him just forcing the ball deep trying to make plays late. Also it talked about the fact that he had not been coached well about his eyes, that he was tipping where he was going on slants and such in his pre-snap actions...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Jason Cambell.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Except Snead has gotten worse as his collegiate career went on. He was hyped due to size and recruiting, going to Texas and transferring to Ole Miss. He was a prospect that never panned out. His best season, two seasons ago he completed 56%. This kids all hype nothin but.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Jason Cambell.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Actually Campbell was a total afterthought until a senior year in which Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams carried Auburn to a undefeated season and we reached on him in round 1. Snead was projected as a 1st rounder and the #2 QB behind Bradford coming into this year and he dropped because of a bad season. Getting him in the 3rd or the 4th would be nothing like trading multiple picks away to reach for him in the 1st.....

Other than that though they're identical.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Quote of the day in my book. Would have been really fun if this blog were active in 1988 - 90 when Mark Rypien was the starter. That guy constantly choked in the big games or was getting hurt all the time and the only thing he had going for him heading onto the 1991 season was one lousy wildcard win. Shoot, we’ve have all seen the NFL films with Matt Millen on the 49ers saying that they knew they would beat the skins as soon as they saw the look in Rypien’s eyes (fear). What a loser that guy is. They should have traded him for a ham sandwich as soon as they lost to the 49ers in the playoffs. Especially with that young gunslinger Stan Humphries on the roster……that guy has “it”.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse


From 1988-1990, the Redskins steadily improved with winning seasons including a playoff victory.

I'm sure the blog would have been feeling fine.

Just like I'm sure most of us would be fine if, over the past 3 seasons, the Redskins were steadily improving with winning seasons and a playoff victory.


Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, what is the point of arguing about TC/JC? The both have played average to terrible with the exception of a 4 game stretch for Collins in Al Saunders offense and JC at the beginning of 2008 with Portis rushing for 100 every week.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | February 25, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

The point is that we are freaking bored. Most of us are stuck at work with little to do but argue about stupid things. I imagine some are unemployed during this recession. Arguing on a blog allows you to use some analytical skills and is a much better option than simply rotting your brain in front of the TV.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

zj,

You appear to be willing to blame others for the mistakes of the QBs that you like but Campbells mistakes are all on him.

Why is that?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Just like I'm sure most of us would be fine if, over the past 3 seasons, the Redskins were steadily improving with winning seasons and a playoff victory.


Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

ty p1, I was trying to stay out of it, cause there really isn't anything else to say....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

ryp, wegmans has great subs, no doubt.

Ever been to a place called Viola's??

Amazing subs...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"It also bugs me that many people have already written off any chance of the Redskins actually competing for the division in 2010 and beyond..."


Well, that assumption is based on two very hard truths:

a. the Washington Redskins have finished at the bottom of the NFC East two seasons in a row

b. the offense of the Washington Redskins is one of the least productive in the league

The rest of the NFC East features teams that score, have big, fast shutdown type defenses, versitile, speedy playmakers, and accurate quarterbacks in their prime.

So of course, until the skins feature some or all of these components, it's hard to say that the team will just suddenly dominant the rest of the division.

Optimistically, a person can see the team becoming very competitive in the latter half of the 2011 season.

But that depends on success out of whatever changes the new regime puts in place.

And until we know what those changes are, last place is the place where we are going to get put.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Arguing on a blog allows you to use some analytical skills and is a much better option than simply rotting your brain in front of the TV.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 1:50 PM

Analytical skills? Now we gotta use analytical skills? Man, it gets harder up here every day. That's it. I'm gonna go watch Sports Center on ESPN.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

beeep beep

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 25, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

zj,

You appear to be willing to blame others for the mistakes of the QBs that you like but Campbells mistakes are all on him.

Why is that?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Snead - one season with obviously inferior talent

Campbell - one season with obviously superior talent (Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams two top 5 backs on the same team) got him drafted and 5 seasons 3 of which he really never had an excuse except that he wasn't smart enough to learn the system quickly enough even though Flacco, Ryan, Pennington, and a long list of others are able to learn a systems in one training camp and win......

I don't know, why is that?

Maybe I just think at some point the excuses have to stop and you are what you've accomplished. IMO those excuses stopped when TC went on his streak and got us in the playoffs.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we could send them Carlos and our 4th for their 1st?

Go QB at 4, tackle, tackle.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:13 PM

QB @ #4? What if neither is worthy of #4, you still want to reach for a QB.

You're hatred for JC is as apparent as your posts are amateur. You want to overdraft a QB and then go tackle, tackle. That’s brilliant, way to bring some insight.

The question isn't whether JC is a long term answer, a franchise QB, or a HOF talent. He’s not, he will either traded or back next year. The question is whether the red flags of both Clausen and Bradford are worth the risk. Most teams would say no, just ask the Rams.

Move on, Campbell is average. Our OL is below average. You don't reach @ #4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I just think at some point the excuses have to stop and you are what you've accomplished. IMO those excuses stopped when TC went on his streak and got us in the playoffs.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:58 PM

Good point, point taken.

Posted by: sthai75 | February 25, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Except Snead has gotten worse as his collegiate career went on. He was hyped due to size and recruiting, going to Texas and transferring to Ole Miss. He was a prospect that never panned out. His best season, two seasons ago he completed 56%. This kids all hype nothin but.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2010 1:46 PM
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he also had Swine Flu in the middle of last season... that sorta knocks you out for awhile..
He could be a sleepah in the 4th.. But, he'll be gone in the 3rd probably.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 25, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Keep Rabach.. The guy's a MARINE!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | February 25, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Haven't read anything good about Whitner - sounds like another Landry, not what we need in a trade - hope we get a shot at Antrel Rolle in FA instead!

As for second-tier QBs, I'm not a fan of Snead at any point, but could be interested in LaFever(sp?) - just wish he was throwing at the combine this weekend so we could get a better read on him.

Still crossing my fingers that we manage to trade JC for a decent pick, and trade back out of #4 overall pick as well, but not holding my breath for either to actually happen. Assuming we stand pat, if we went Okung in 1st round and Pouncey in 2nd round (as some have suggested), and waited until next year to draft a QB, I'd be o.k. with that.

Posted by: PDXskin | February 25, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I am SICK of everyone attacking JC. He is a great QB. He carried the team last year. You wait and see what he does with Okung blocking for him. If the other players would raise their game to JC's level we'd be fighting for a superbowl. Betta get yo popcorn reddy!!!

Posted by: coparker5 | February 25, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Seriously though, I was hoping Raback wouldn't be on next year's team.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 25, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

rabach is a part of the problem he is weak gets pushed back into the qb alot and makes stupid and critical penalties(especially the last 3yrs)at important times in games. this is NOT dwight stevenson this is rabach a mediocre center at best he may know the line calls but he is getting hog-whipped at the line of scrimmage. do not sign rabach give e. williams a chance to start NOW.

Posted by: wathu19 | February 25, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

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