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Reed Doughty breaks bone in hand, will continue to work out

Safety Reed Doughty suffered a broken bone in his hand during organized team activities but plans to participate in the remainder of the Redskins' offseason program, a person familiar with the situation wrote in a text message to a reporter Friday.

The injury occurred during Wednesday's OTA session and prompted Washington's medical staff to fit Doughty with a cast on his right hand. But Doughty, who has impressed the new coaching staff with his toughness and intelligence, practiced after the injury occurred. He's expected to wear a cast for a couple of weeks.

Contacted Friday on his cell phone, Doughty acknowledged only that he practiced Wednesday. "I'll be fine," Doughty said.

Doughty closed the 2009 season well and has taken quickly to the team's new 3-4 scheme. He is expected to play a key role in the team's defensive plans this season.

By Jason Reid  |  June 4, 2010; 9:59 AM ET
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He still catches better than Carlos Rogers.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

He still catches better than Carlos Rogers.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 10:09 AM


So does Jim Abbott. And Christopher Reeve post-paralysis. And Dennis Hopper's character from "Speed"...

I could keep going, but I'm sure you see where I'm going with this.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 4, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

He still catches better than Carlos Rogers.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 10:09 AM

Good start, I was thinking the same thing.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | June 4, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

He still catches better than Carlos Rogers.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 10:09 AM

With the cast?! ...yeah, probably so.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 4, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Now snitches be texting??? lol...And JReid stole the text to break the news....bigger lol!!!

Mease is steaming right now.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 4, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people constantly hate on the best corner on the team. So long as the receiver doesn't catch it, he's done his job.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

skinsfan713,

Again, name any noted big in the history of the league who shot fade away jumpers and floaters in the paint on a regualr basis?

Let me help you: You can't because there isn't one.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 4, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse
________

And the answer to your question is, off the top of my head, Dirk Nowitzki, who I'm not a tremendous fan of, but who most basketball experts think is a hall of famer. Also, I would put Kareem and his sky hook in that same category.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 4, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I think that Nowitzki does most of his damage from the perimeter, and my recollection is that Kareem was moving across the lane, not falling away, on most of his "Sky Hooks." However, Elvin Hayes' signature move was a lethal fall-away jumper from the low post. And, as a Hall-of-Famer and one of the 50 best NBA players of the league's first 50 years, he was certainly "noted."

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 4, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Patrick Ewing shot a ton of jumpers from both elbows of the lane.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Today? No. Timmy's skills have eroded too much. Gasol and Bynum both have done pretty well against him. They are fairly similiar in terms of skillsets, although I think Pau's game is more dynamic. Obviously, though, I think you have to give the edge to Duncan overall. "The Big Fundamental" at his peak was not much fun to watch, but he did everything right and rarely made mistakes or got outplayed. And trust me, it's painful for me to say that.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 4, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Here are Duncan's stats for this years playoffs.

19 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 2.6 assists, 1.7 blocks

Don't know Gasol's, but I doubt they're better than that.

Also, check career stats before you call Gasol more dynamic. Duncan is better across the board. And much better in the playoffs when it counts.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 4, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

So long as the receiver doesn't catch it, he's done his job.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 10:16 AM |

Please explain Peoples Evidence A:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwVezYS3E48&feature=related

And Peoples Evidence B:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di4euhbD07w

Please do not waste the Courts Time with Frivoulous claims.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 4, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

4th, not sure why you added the second video...that was a reverse.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 4, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I bet RIGHT NOW you could throw 10 passes each to Doubt-He and 'Butter' Rogers and the one hand man would catch more.

Posted by: kahlua87 | June 4, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm with learnedhand, when Rogers is healthy he is an excellent cover corner. So what if he can't catch, we have DHall that can run a pic back. I would really like Rogers to work on his hands, but staying healthy and playing well works for me.

Posted by: monk811 | June 4, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

They're called lapses. Same as "brain farts".

But spin away to amplify your argument. Gasol has deficiencies. Get over it. Not every player on the Lakers are great players.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 4, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse
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No sh_t sherlock. Not every player is great. You do realize that you don't know everything, right? Has anyone ever told you this before? Dwight Howard is absolutely NOT a finesse player, although certainly the Magic are more of a finesse team than Boston. Howard ONLY plays a power game inside. Your continual "Gasol is soft" argument shows me that you're just jaded and either don't know what you're talking about or (more likely) refuse to admit what's obvious.

And back in 2008, (1) I predicted that the celtics would win the series because I didn't think the Lakers were ready to give Kobe enough help in dealing with the Celtics' defense, and I thought (correctly) that Pierce would destroy Vlad Rad and (2) I moaned about Bynum getting hurt and why Gasol wouldn't stand up to Perkins and KG.

I'm done wasting time with this. Agree to disagree.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 4, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I live here LA and it's funny how after 1 win against my C's how all these bandwagon fans come to work with there new Faker gear and stop by my area to talk crap. If your going to talk crap cool but at least take of the tag of the new gear you just got. And how the talk about the Rapist/Cheating husband and how he is the best ever.

Posted by: richardgovea | June 4, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Your Honor, I know it's late....but I also need to submit Peoples Evidence C as it is very crucial to debunk the plaintaiffs argument that CR22 is the best corner on the Redskins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJTUU4tG29o

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 4, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 4, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

You know how people sometimes say when debating the Redskins "you just want that to happen so you can say you're right"?


I'll just say I can't wait for game 2 of the NBA finals.

If Gasol reforms to 2008 Gasol, then I'm putting you on notice lh and skinsfan713: I'm going to be an insufferable gloating ball-buster bastard. It will behoove you not to post up here that day, just sayin'. Regardless if they win or not, if Gasol has a sh*tty game, then I'm damn well going to let you both know about it!


Oh and just a thought: Andrew Bynum PLAYED in 2009 and in this current series, lh, and skinsfan713. He DID NOT play in 2008. When Pau Gasol was b*tched slapped around for 6 games.

But I guess his presence has nothing to do with there win last year in the finals and their expected win this year. Nope, none at all...
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ppsrt8, come with facts all you want, but they have no bearing in your debate with skinsfan713. You mine as well be talking to a Dallas fan when it comes to his LA Lakers.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 4, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

^^ I hope one of those videos is CR22 folding Joshua Cribbs like a lawn chair. never get tired of that one.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 4, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

4th, not sure why you added the second video...that was a reverse.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 4, 2010 10:26 AM

Because...Rogers was gettting blocked single handily 25+ yards and never took a chance to either make DJack cut back in or just fall on the ground to become a blockaide, which any coach will tell you is better than just being pushed out the way.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 4, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Stu, found that one but quality was TRBL

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 4, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm with learnedhand, when Rogers is healthy he is an excellent cover corner. So what if he can't catch, we have DHall that can run a pic back. I would really like Rogers to work on his hands, but staying healthy and playing well works for me.

Posted by: monk811 | June 4, 2010 10:29 AM

You obviously didn't click on any of the links I posted. Just be glad they don't have that 2005 playoff dropped pick-6 in Seattle on youttube. I remember it like it was yesterday....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 4, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I never said Rogers couldn't cover. When his head is right, he's top notch.

I will stick to my claim that he can't catch and I challenge you to prove me wrong.

I can think of one play in his career (vs. Detroit in '07) where he broke on the ball and caught it clean without juggling it or it being tipped.


He is also mentally weak.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

skinsfan713, I never said that I knew everything. I could say the same thing about your dumbass too, you piece of sh*t. You're staunchly defending your point of view as much as I am.

You were the one who copied and pasted what I had to say because you felt you were right, you jackass. YOU were the one that called my comments ridiculous. But as usual up here, when someone throws it back at you you get your feelings hurt and condescend and spit hypocritical bs.

If you can't stand someone talking about the Lakers, then don't post and read comments on a public form, dumb sh*t.

Shut the fu_k up and get over it already.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 4, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 4, 2010 10:23 AM

Surprise. Surprise. A corner got beat for a touchdown by a very good receiver. These videos don't disprove anything I said.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Patrick Ewing shot a ton of jumpers from both elbows of the lane.

Posted by: learnedhand1


You're right, his baseline fadeway was one of his best patented moves.
And isn't he best known for a THREE step floater shot at the buzzer that helped get the Knicks get past the Pacers one year?

Posted by: Predator48 | June 4, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Interesting article over on ESPN on "The Art of the Hurry." Meaning pressure on the QB as a dominant factor in pass defense. The geek consensus is that pressure is more important than tight coverage in pass defense. QBs perform far worse when pressured than not (big duh). But from a Skins perspective, this is the interesting part:
"There are those rare quarterbacks, like Aaron Rodgers, Donovan McNabb and Ben Roethlisberger, who produce well when under that kind of pressure..."

Posted by: Samson151 | June 4, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I finally found a good play by CR22 on youtube! Best play of his carrer!

And No LH and ETrod, it is not a link to that Rick dude!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trjJTGWOEAA&feature=related

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 4, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Can it just be 8:30 PM on September 12th already???

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 4, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Pau Gasol is a really good basketball player.

It's no coincidence the Lakers have made it to the finals 3 straight years AFTER the Gasol trade.

He's easily one of the best big men in the league. easily...

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | June 4, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"Patrick Ewing shot a ton of jumpers from both elbows of the lane.Posted by: learnedhand1"

He sure did. So did Olajuwon and even Moses Malone in his later years. Karl Malone was adept at such shots. I think as you slow down you have additional incentive to develop that shot to counter the bigger, younger guys you have to play against.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 4, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Surprise. Surprise. A corner got beat for a touchdown by a very good receiver. These videos don't disprove anything I said.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 10:41 AM

Well...playing in the NFC east, that is going to be his competetion week in, week out. So we should only expect greatness from him when he plays against average and below average teams? Got ya.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 4, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm always amazed when someone will try and defend CRogers....I mean just boggles the mind....he's been here for 5 years, we've seen an 8 game stretch where he's played up to where he was drafted...apart from that, here is the only stat you need to know....6 int's in 5 years......

If you're playing the redskins, you double move his arse, until he can cover it, which judging by the previous 5 seasons, its yet to happen.

I mean, "nothing you can do about it"...isn't that what he said...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 4, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Dwight Howard is absolutely NOT a finesse player, although certainly the Magic are more of a finesse team than Boston. Howard ONLY plays a power game inside.

Posted by: skinsfan713


Once again, a weak ass ploy to spin and play on words. Go back and READ what I posted, you idiot.

I said that Orlando is a finesse TEAM. I NEVER said a word about Dwight Howard being a finesse player.

You're just literally pulling sh*t outta your ass now to back your weak ass argument.

Go use your gold towel to wipe away the blood streaming down your leg, pu**y.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 4, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I think Javale McGee should develop that shot, so he can punish big guys when they push him out of the lane. He has a nice turnaround over his right shoulder.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 4, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

ppsrt8, come with facts all you want, but they have no bearing in your debate with skinsfan713. You mine as well be talking to a Dallas fan when it comes to his LA Lakers.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 4, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Just trying to back up my point.

If were just saying things without facts, then Gasol is a slightly better version of Big Z. And Z probably shoots the ball better.

The only area where Gasol is really above avg. for his position is his assist #'s. And 95% of are just shovel passes to Bynum for a dunk.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 4, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 4, 2010 10:49 AM

What can I say? I guess I'm an idiot.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

So Moses Malone, Pat Ewing, and Olajuwon weren't EVER known for being power players on BOTH offense AND DEFENSE?

Really?!?!? we're adding Gasol with those guys now??? I mean, Wilbon and Wise already said he's HOF material, I guess we better start carving his plaque and f-ing bust already.

ufb... I know mf'ers think they know it all because they're older and seen it all but gawddamn gimme a f-ing break with this crap.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 4, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

no argument from me, lh....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 4, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

skinsfan713,

Again, name any noted big in the history of the league who shot fade away jumpers and floaters in the paint on a regualr basis?

Let me help you: You can't because there isn't one.

C's had a brain farts on D all night last night. You're truly living in "LA-LA" land if you're thinking that will happen the entire series.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 4, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

A little late to the discussion and I know someone mentioned this BUT.......

The Dream and Ewing both had savage fade aways on the baseline.....in fact probably their best moves!

Posted by: rupertpupkin | June 4, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Bean, coming from you that's high praise.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Big men usually start out as power players and develop a finesse game thoughout their careers.

The finesse game is what makes them elite because once they have it, they can go over you, through you or around you. They become unstoppable.

That's why centers usually don't blossom until their late 20's.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

fits you well lh...and you seem to wear it proudly...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 4, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Big men usually start out as power players and develop a finesse game thoughout their careers.

The finesse game is what makes them elite because once they have it, they can go over you, through you or around you. They become unstoppable.

That's why centers usually don't blossom until their late 20's.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

You know what? I'm sorry, guys, you must get it where you fit in:

Let me try this again.

* Carlos Rogers is the best corner on the Redskins and it's not even close. His coverage skills are uber-par because he doesn't allow the receiver to catch the ball.

* Pau Gasol is a great NBA player and the best 5 in the league, and like the Carlos Rogers debate, it too isn't even close. The fact that he has uber-finesse skills, and most NBA bigs don't make him so.


There. I'm ready to play nice with the others now.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 4, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people constantly hate on the best corner on the team. So long as the receiver doesn't catch it, he's done his job.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, but some of the frustration has to do with his not fixing the problem. You'd think he'd have put in the extra time to work on his hands or whatever by now (the double moves magnified it) - or some coach would have seen to it. High pick, high standards, etc. but yes, best corner and the only one with size now.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | June 4, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I finally found a good play by CR22 on youtube! Best play of his carrer!

And No LH and ETrod, it is not a link to that Rick dude!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trjJTGWOEAA&feature=related

Posted by: 4thFloor |

Wow! Youre right!
I don't remember that game against the vikings, but that was a hell of a pick! It's almost like it occurred to carlos that he could catch the ball instead of just having the receiver beat him for a touchdown, or letting the ball hit him in the palms and fall to the ground.
Good job on the rare find.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 4, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Man, I can't wait for FOOTBALL! FOOTBALL games in DC should be exciting this year. And the FOOTBALL teams we play should be tough, they play good FOOTBALL! And FOOTBALLS are made of leather.......

I figure if I say FOOTBALL enough then basketball will go away, can't wait for basketball season to end......

Posted by: monk811 | June 4, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

If someone doesn't agree with you say your piece and KIM. You know what they say about opinions. Why some of you "cats" get so emotional is beyond me.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, but some of the frustration has to do with his not fixing the problem. You'd think he'd have put in the extra time to work on his hands or whatever by now


Thats EXACTLY right. There hasn't been any progess since day 1, its been the same problem, over, and over, and over, and instead of working harder, he made excuses....he should be catching 500 balls out of a jugs machine a DAY, only he needs to jump in the time machine and have done this since 2006....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 4, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Man, I can't wait for FOOTBALL! FOOTBALL games in DC should be exciting this year. And the FOOTBALL teams we play should be tough, they play good FOOTBALL! And FOOTBALLS are made of leather.......

I figure if I say FOOTBALL enough then basketball will go away, can't wait for basketball season to end......

Posted by: monk811

Amen dude.
Basketball is sooooooo not football. I live in Seattle; we care so little about b-ball we let our team go...and nobody misses them.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 4, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Basketball side note:

I've never been sicker of LeBron James than I am right now.

All of this "Where will he go" BS that his camp is generating is getting down right nausiating.

Now we're talking about a Free Agent Summit? WTF?

He's the Brett Favre of the NBA.

F LeBron.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Basketball side note:

I've never been sicker of LeBron James than I am right now.

All of this "Where will he go" BS that his camp is generating is getting down right nausiating.

Now we're talking about a Free Agent Summit? WTF?

He's the Brett Favre of the NBA.

F LeBron.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

...and F double posts!

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

He's the Brett Favre of the NBA.

F LeBron.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 11:18 AM


Except Favre has at least won a championship...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 4, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people constantly hate on the best corner on the team. So long as the receiver doesn't catch it, he's done his job.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

So far from true...It goes down as "pass defensed" or some silly no-account stat...but watch how many times the team that should have been picked ends up with 3...sometimes 7. (not just Skins...watch it happen every Sunday to some teams) All those drives would have been reversed if he had any kind of has that most high school players have.

Also...remember the playoff vs Seattle ...QB was surely thinking "Ohhhh SH!@#$%^..." but no, Carlos drops it. Seattle QB goees "wheewwww...good thing Rogers sucks." Would have changed the whole complexion of the game...

Catch the ball, Carlos !!! (and stop getting killed opn double moves...that might help too)

Posted by: NYskinsfan2 | June 4, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

...and F double posts!

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Prediction:
The oline keeps solid and the offense does pretty well the whole season. The defense takes some time but we finish the last half of the season in the top ten teams in the league in both sacks and turnovers. D Hall gets more than five picks this season; orakpo pulls in fifteen or so.
We lose a close one to dallas in the first game and beat them with authority in the second.
We go 9-7 on the season and win 6 of our last 8 games.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 4, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

We might have to change Etrod's name to double Post....

Cuz the Post stays getting you on it....
Simialr to your Cousin Double Move on the football field....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 4, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Ain't nothing I could do about that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

We go 9-7 on the season and win 6 of our last 8 games.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 4, 2010 11:25 AM


If that's the case, that means we started 3-5.

How many up here do you think will be giving Donovan McNabb the Jason Campbell treatment and calling for Shanahan and Allen to be fired in the wake of a 3-5 start?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 4, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I've never been sicker of LeBron James than I am right now.

All of this "Where will he go" BS that his camp is generating is getting down right nausiating.

Now we're talking about a Free Agent Summit? WTF?

He's the Brett Favre of the NBA.

F LeBron.

Posted by: Original_etrod


Welcome to the party!

Co-sign. F Lebron James!

Nothing more than narcissistic tool with nothing of actual substance to excuse it.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 4, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Rogers is the only CB they have at this point that is physical enough to deal with the opponents bigger WR's and he's the best tackler on the team at that position. Yes his hands suck, and yes, the double moves were abundant with him, but I don't remember him getting burned on double moves constantly other then last season with the horrible Zorn/Blache combo. So I think with better coaching, that won't be an issue anymore. I'm willing to bet it was a fluke last year, and I'm thinking with the possibility of him being a FA next yr, he'll have a solid season. Funny how folks will give Landry a pass for last year, but not Rogers. He's neither spectacular nor horrible..like most CB's in the league.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 4, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

The Original_retod and the Floorth4 are arguing about nothing.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 4, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Funny how folks will give Landry a pass for last year, but not Rogers.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 4, 2010 11:33 AM


You must not have been here a couple weeks ago...Landry was getting the business up here for the same sh*t.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 4, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

landry hardly gets a pass...at all...I've yet to see someone up here defending him, as vociferously as folks defend hands of stone....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 4, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Rogers has been getting torched on double moves his whole career. The famous 'ain't nothing I could do about that' comment came in '06, I believe.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Rogers has been getting torched on double moves his whole career. The famous 'ain't nothing I could do about that' comment came in '06, I believe.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

It is true that the number one motivating factor for any professional athlete is the same. It is not pride or redemption, playing to win a championship or playing for the betterment of a team. It is all about the dolla signs.
Cr22 seems like a very frivolous dude. I would not be surprised if he had a good year due to this factor.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 4, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"Big men usually start out as power players and develop a finesse game thoughout their careers....Posted by: Original_etrod"

Well put. I'll go back to Shaq saying he didn't really learn to play the position until his athletic ability started to decline. Made him a better center. Dwight Howard is on that learning curve now.

Center is a position designed to require and reward size and strength. But there's always somebody bigger and stronger than you are (unless you're Shaq). To succeed against bigger, younger, more athletic guys coming up after you, it's important to develop some moves. John Thompson said of Gasol, 'he's got every move ever invented.' That's how he gets by against more powerful players.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 4, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

this is getting regoddamndiculous.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

How many up here do you think will be giving Donovan McNabb the Jason Campbell treatment and calling for Shanahan and Allen to be fired in the wake of a 3-5 start?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 4, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm not going to judge the guy halfway through his first season for the simple fact the dude has won 2 SB's.

I think he gets a 1st year pass, similar to Gibbs.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 4, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I live in Seattle; we care so little about b-ball we let our team go...and nobody misses them.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise

Well I don't know if that's actually true or not. The Supersonics had one of the better fanbases in the NBA for years.

The Sonics downfall was attributed to Howard Shultz (who was a terrible owner), then who sold the team to Oklahoma businessman Clay Bennett. Of course he had no intention of keeping the Sonics there.

So it had nothing to do with the people of Seattle "letting their team go" as much as it did with a d-bag owner who sold the team to someone he knew had no intentions of keeping them there.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 4, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

That's funny, I didn't know that defending Rogers was secret code in this post for bashing Landry or giving him a pass for last year. Good thing I guess because I was gonna bash him anyway!!! I don't think the dude has had any really good years, he is overrated. I hope he proves me wrong though this year, cause he is tremedously talented from a physical standpoint. The thing that really bothers me is not the double moves, but the mistackles. He tries to lay out every ball carrier he sees and doesn't wrapup, he needs to addend a Pop Warner football practice, memory serves me correct that the first thing we practiced.

Posted by: monk811 | June 4, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"It is true that the number one motivating factor for any professional athlete is the same. It is not pride or redemption, playing to win a championship or playing for the betterment of a team. It is all about the dolla signs."

Stu

This is a severe oversimplification. But if we accept it as gospel, can you explain how this is different from 95% of people and why they work??

Posted by: chrislarry | June 4, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm not going to judge the guy halfway through his first season for the simple fact the dude has won 2 SB's.

I think he gets a 1st year pass, similar to Gibbs.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 4, 2010 11:48 AM


Agreed...I'm just making the point that some up here think that winning/results should come immediately and that they'll jump off the deep end if the team loses a couple games in a row. This thing is a work in progress and I don't expect to see any return on their investments until 2011 or 2012.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 4, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

This is a severe oversimplification. But if we accept it as gospel, can you explain how this is different from 95% of people and why they work??

Posted by: chrislarry | June 4, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

That is the difference there is a 5% that does not let Money determine their actions. In the NFL and most pro sports that number is 100%.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 4, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I mean really if you cannot see a correlation between performance and contract years then you are being naive.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 4, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I never said Rogers couldn't cover. When his head is right, he's top notch.

I will stick to my claim that he can't catch and I challenge you to prove me wrong.

I can think of one play in his career (vs. Detroit in '07) where he broke on the ball and caught it clean without juggling it or it being tipped.


He is also mentally weak.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 10:41 AM

Dude, try to appreciate what you have, the primary responsibility of a corner is to prevent wide receivers from catching the ball, no one on the roster today is better than CR. Remember, there is a reason CR is not a wide receiver. D.Hall is a gambler, C.Rogers is a true corner.

Posted by: abxinc | June 4, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Everytime I read this forum I can't help but only spot out Greg's insistent sense of self justification.

You're kind of annoying on here dude, I hope that if we ever met in person my opinion about you would change, nonetheless stop acting like RI's own Chris Florio.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | June 4, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 4, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Oh, you know there will be a select few calling for his head... That is the nature of the beast. Glad to see that you and I share a realistic mindset.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 4, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse


Always wondered why they droped the "Super" from their name?? I mean, it almost makes the work of JJ Fad, all for not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3nPLoODtGU

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 4, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Stu, your numbers are a stretch at best...you can spot the guys who are in it for the money and the guys who REALLY love the game and would play for free if they had to from a mile away. Everyone WANTS to be paid, but not everyone makes it their #1 objective.

Three years ago I left I job I hated for a job that I loved and took about a $7k/yr paycut in the process. So there are a few folks out there that don't think money is the most important thing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 4, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

sure Stu whateves....not worth arguing

Posted by: chrislarry | June 4, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Then you agree with me brownwood. read it again.. Your one of the 5%.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 4, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

You must not have been here a couple weeks ago...Landry was getting the business up here for the same sh*t.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 4, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse
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If it were up to RI, we'd have about 3 people on the roster right now - and they'd all be named Leigh Torrence

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 4, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

No Stu, I don't agree with you...you're singling out a handful of players and saying they represent 100% of athletes and that's just wrong on a lot of levels. In every profession, there are people who do it for the money or the glory, but there are those who are genuinely driven by a desire to excel in their chosen field. In extremely competitive fields like sports and broadcasting, you can't just do something because you like the money unless you're just ridiculously talented in it. And most people aren't.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 4, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Dude, try to appreciate what you have, the primary responsibility of a corner is to prevent wide receivers from catching the ball, no one on the roster today is better than CR. Remember, there is a reason CR is not a wide receiver. D.Hall is a gambler, C.Rogers is a true corner.

Posted by: abxinc | June 4, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse


Sorry, dude. I get that he's a pretty good cover guy and can be really good at times but he's got to make plays when they are there.

He doesn't. Period.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 4, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Rogers gets a lot of stick, but he was the 9th overall pick in his draft! You expect a superstar there - sorry.

If the pressure's too much for him to perform, then the NFL isn't really the best place to be.

Opposing QB's know if they throw on him, there's a reasonable chance he'll give up yardage, or a score. If he's on the opposition's top WR (Jackson and Marshall were good examples of this last year), which he often is, the big play potential is huge, measured against a small chance of a pick.

If Carlos could pick off Romo twice in the opener, maybe take one in for a score, opposing coaches would have to change their gameplans next season and Carlos could justifiably see himself as top corner and be paid accordingly.

Unfortunately, he seems to think that being a high draft choice is evidence of stardom, rather than simply an opportunity to work towards becoming one. Landry is another example of this attitude.

I remain optimistic that both can have a good year under Shanahan. Both are still young players and the new scheme might benefit them.

HTTR! Oh, and F-D*ll*s.

Posted by: stevebeagrie | June 4, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Word browny, have done similarly. Much happier for it.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 4, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 4, 2010 12:15 PM

we'd also have no coaching staff or ownership... hence no team.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 4, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

sign O J !

Posted by: dmlopez1 | June 4, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Not at the table, Carlos!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 4, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I work for the PC, internet, and quiet place to check RI. Bonus points are also appreciated.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 4, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so what is the most common motivational fator for pro athletes. desire to win a championship, comradeship, self achievement, money?
Im just saying if you had to pick one factor.

I would pick money. Not one player would play in the NFL for free.


There are some good examples though of poeple without a money first attitude in the NFL. Pit Tillman RIP.
My point was that CR22 would have extra motivation during a contract year.


Posted by: Stu27 | June 4, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Remember, there is a reason CR is not a wide receiver. D.Hall is a gambler, C.Rogers is a true corner.

Posted by: abxinc


Funny. When people like to cite Hall's deficiencies they like to talk about his lack of tackling ability. Like he's a linebacker.

But when people talk about Rogers inability to catch a pass that was floated to him -- with a whip cream and a cherry on top -- we get reminded that he's not a WR.

Inconsistency at it's best.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 4, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could remember the folks on here who were screaming bloody murder when Springs was let go. Now that was funny. I'm hoping Barnes steps up this year and becomes a solid Nickel for the D. We all know Rogers can't catch, but maybe, just maybe, he can tip the ball into a teammates hands a few times. I would be happy with that. One thing I'm concerned about: If Carter and Orakpo are the OLB's, that more then likely leaves Fletch and Rocky Mac in alot of coverage situations because the OLB's will be blitzing more then covering (hopefully). There's not a LB on this team that is considered very stout in coverage.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 4, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

we'd also have no coaching staff or ownership... hence no team.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 4, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse
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And isn't that the essence of bliss? A perfectly customized fantasy tailored to the individual fan. I think I'm onto something here...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 4, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people constantly hate on the best corner on the team. So long as the receiver doesn't catch it, he's done his job.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse


Carlos Rogers 2009 season by the numbers:

Opposing QB cumulative passer rating when throwing into Rogers' coverage - 112.5 -(6th worst out of 65 NFL cornerbacks who played 50% or more of team's d-snaps; by comparison DeAngelo Hall had the 4th BEST at 54.2).

Tackles - 37 (8 FEWER tackles on the season than teammate DeAngelo Hall)

Missed tackles - 6 (By comparison D.Hall had 8 missed tackles, only 2 more on the season).

Stops (solo defensive tackles that constituted an offensive failure) - 6 (By comparison D.Hall was credited with 8 stops)

QB Completion % when thrown at - 62.3% (By comparison D.Hall was better at 56.2%)

TDs given up versus Ints - 4/0 (By comparison D.Hall - 1/4)

Average yards per reception surrendered - 14.1 (By comparison, D.Hall surrendered 11 yards per reception)

YAC surrendered - 175 (D.Hall by comparison - 134)

Posted by: p1funk | June 4, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 4, 2010 12:30 PM

...and hence fantasy football?

sounds like a good idea, matt. but I don't think it will ever catch on.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 4, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Dude, try to appreciate what you have, the primary responsibility of a corner is to prevent wide receivers from catching the ball, no one on the roster today is better than CR. Remember, there is a reason CR is not a wide receiver. D.Hall is a gambler, C.Rogers is a true corner.

Posted by: abxinc | June 4, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse


Dude, your statement is a total delusion. It's clear you have not actually looked at the metrics of their comparative performances in coverage.

See the stats I posted above.

Go to a site like profootballfocus.com and look at the coverage metrics (NOT the ratings which are invented by the people running the site - the coverage metrics show the raw data).

Stop talking out of your backside.

DeAngelo Hall is a superior cornerback in virtually all of the measureable ways, the only edge ROgers has on him is that he's a more reliable run-supporter. That's it.

Posted by: p1funk | June 4, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

If DeSean Jackson doesn't drop that long pass and TD while being covered by DHall in '08 this would be a different conversation. I don't like it when 'Los drops a sure pick. But that doesn't sotp me from appreciating that he's better in coverage than anyone else on the roster. Go look at Hall's picks. He's catching pop ups.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall is awesome. I've been saying for a while that he is, by far, the best corner on this team, and top five in the league.

Leave DeAngelo alone!!!!

skins- 11-5 this year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 4, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Dhall only has one more INT return for a TD then CR22. Figured there would be a greater margin then that. 2 to 1.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 4, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Go look at Hall's picks. He's catching pop ups.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Why does it matter how he's getting them?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 4, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

If DeSean Jackson doesn't drop that long pass and TD while being covered by DHall in '08 this would be a different conversation. I don't like it when 'Los drops a sure pick. But that doesn't sotp me from appreciating that he's better in coverage than anyone else on the roster. Go look at Hall's picks. He's catching pop ups.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Go look at the stats and metrics I posted.

Any criticism of DeAngelo Hall as a cover-corner is ignorant blather based on hate and an horrible 8 game stretch with the Raiders.

As a Redskins he has been our best cover corner by far and well superior to Carlos Rogers.

The fact that you need to resort to anecdotal evidence of a single play that never happened (IF D.Jackson catches a pass??) and dismiss plays that DO happen (all he does is catch pop-ups - which is more than can be said for Hall) shows how feeble your take in this argument is.

Posted by: p1funk | June 4, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I would pick money. Not one player would play in the NFL for free.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 4, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse
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Um, yeah. We tried the work for free angle before. Even the transportation from Africa was bare bones so it wasn't considered a perk. Didn't work out tho. Really a shame.

Russia, Germany, and Japan tried something similar, but those attempts ended with pigs metaphorically walking on two feet, a Fuhrer with a hole in his head, and some redistricting in some select Japanese cities.

Nothing a good PR campaign cant overcome, but with Kim Jong Il having some travel restrictions, our point man selection is kinda limited. Should have never kilt Saddam.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 4, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand,

You keep repeating that Rogers is better in coverage than Hall. You are wrong. Continuing to say it again and again doesn't make it right.

If I say that Derek Fisher is taller than Pau gasol 20 times, it does not make it right.

Virtually every measurable that can be applied to cornerbacks indicates that Hall is far superior to Rogers as a cover corner.

Just stop.

Posted by: p1funk | June 4, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Rogers isn't even a good cover corner anymore! WTF were y'all watching last year??? He had his heart taken out like in mary shelley's frankenstein when frakenstein went right in through the rib cage and just snatch the beating heart....

CR22 has never been the same since....trade him and get it over with...or just let him play out this year so we can get a 7th round compensatory pick for him next year....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 4, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

finally decided to make anaccount guys!!!!!been readin for a while n decided wth. first off, cr22 will be good for us this yr then hopefully nxt yr hell be gone. i still think we can trade him this yr if a team gets an injury. if we get atogwe like i hope haslett begs snyders dumba nus then our d will be lock for top 5.

lets get atogwe to dc!!!

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 4, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

If I was a billionaire I think i would try to buy the Cowboys. Then I would just run the team into the ground. It's my diabolical plan.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 4, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

RED-
just because hes the best doesnt mean we shouldnt get rid of him. i believe this is the last yr on his contract, hes saying all the right things now because we all know hes gonna play for his contract somewhere else next yr. i keep hearing maybe we trade him and some other comp. for J.Gaither, that would be a dream situation dont you agree RED/???

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 4, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Gaither has payed a full 16 game season yet....plus he's looking to play LT because he will want LT money....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 4, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

If I was a billionaire I think i would try to buy the Cowboys. Then I would just run the team into the ground. It's my diabolical plan.

Posted by: iH8dallas

I kinda like that plan

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 4, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

i think he would be worth the money. like williams, he could play either side. also in getting him, wouldnt he instantly be one of our best 2 lineman and a big upgrade if he did go to RT??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 4, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The PDX ODA (organized drinking activity) was held last nite at the Lucky Labrador Brew Pub in North Portland.
A killer pizza was enjoyed by the attendees along with copious quantities of CABs (Cold Adult Beverages).
Strangely, no talk about the Redskins ensued until late in the evening but it seems a consensus was reached.

7-9.

Book it.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | June 4, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

If I was a billionaire I think i would try to buy the Cowboys. Then I would just run the team into the ground. It's my diabolical plan.

Posted by: iH8dallas
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I kinda like that plan

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 4, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse
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Careful z, the more money he flushes down the toilet, the less investment capital he has to commission the ZSS Unpronounceable, the worlds first aircraft carrier with a mission of mercy.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 4, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

first!

(to say Reed Doughty's name after we've made it to 116 posts on this thread)

carry on.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 4, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas

When you buy them, can you immediately blow-up their new stadium? I just remember how sweet it was watching that lame excuse for construction Texas Stadium fall like a stack of dominoes. Maybe let us Redskins fans p*ss on that huge video board before you push the button!

Posted by: monk811 | June 4, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

ATOGWE THOUGHTS?? ANYONE???

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 4, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

If I was a billionaire I think i would try to buy the Cowboys. Then I would just run the team into the ground. It's my diabolical plan.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 4, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Not bad.

I'd buy them, move them and their scoreboard, and change the name.

Seeing that the NFL wouldn't let Dallas go without a team, I'd have to hope the Dallas expansion team ends up something like the Cleveland Browns.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 4, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"I hope that if we ever met in person my opinion about you would change"

foot, I'm pretty 1-billion percent certain that we're not meeting...EVER...I mean, are you kidding me with this post??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 4, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The debate on our corners brings up a basic truth. They're both flawed in significant ways. In terms of raw coverage, Rogers has been good, but inconsistent. I think there's a lot of truth that QBs will throw in his direction comfortable that the downside is an INC, not an INT.

Hall, on the other hand, does tend to gamble. Because of that, he gives up a lot of completions ... and that's a problem. Even more so because once a player has caught it, there's a real chance Hall will miss the tackle (even whiff) and a modest play will become a big play.

Its a pass friendly league. Here's the key. There are only a few great corners. We don't have one. We need safeties that can help out effectively, a pass rush that can force a QB into making bad decisions and LBs that can cover -- and make a few picks.

We actually have the pass rush (or did last year). LB coverage was hit and miss and we don't get many picks from that group (4 in the last 2 years). But the safeties were disasters last year.

We'll see what happens with the 3-4. But we do have 3 guys who can create pressure on the QB (Albert, Orakpo, Carter). Maybe some of the 4 LBs will be able to make a few more picks and improve our underneath coverage. But we gotta get the safeties working better.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 4, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Maybe let us Redskins fans p*ss on that huge video board before you push the button!

Posted by: monk811 | June 4, 2010 1:24 PM

a propos of nothing, we had a dog that passed away two years ago. he was a male black lab, pure-bred from an amazing pedigree, so we didn't snip the cajones... thinking we might be interested in breeding him.

of course we never did... and of course all of that testosterone led to some funny personality quirks. aside from always needing to be top dog (if you know what I mean) at the park, beach, etc, one of the most fascinating things to watch was the ritual of marking various vertical objects (trees, hydrants, telephone poles) on the daily walks... teetering on three legs, always striving to leave the highest message possible.

damn if that dog wouldn't have been able to hit Jerry Jones' pet video board.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 4, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

here we go again. Redskins have 1st round talent and everyone thinks he's a bust because he is not "spectacular". Carlos Rogers is a solid NFL CB. If not let's start the Barnes kid from MD or the other guy from AZ state (justin tryon) that cannot cover his own shadow. I go to the games and D hall is not a great cover corner. he can catch though, which leads folks to think he is better than he is.

i hope haslett's system and the fact Rogers will tackle too, wil help the guy flourish in this system.

Posted by: whomp1 | June 4, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

ATOGWE THOUGHTS?? ANYONE???

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 4, 2010 1:27 PM

Pass, unless he is willing to lower his asking price.

Posted by: TWISI | June 4, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | June 4, 2010 12:48 PM

I believe someone showed you how your reliance on those stats was flawed. Nevertheless, I know what I see when I watch the games. And, it's my opinion. Stats like those you posted don't settle the issue. These types of arguments are probably why you no longer practice law. Finally, its not as if I said Rogers was better than Asomugah or Revis. We're talking the difference between Rogers and Hall. Some of you all are reacting as if it isn't even debatable.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 4, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

^ If either of them were half as good as they think they are we would be set.
Revis scored more TDs on INTs then he had TDs scored against him during his college career. Neither of our guys has ish on that.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 4, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse


The PDX ODA (organized drinking activity) was held last nite at the Lucky Labrador Brew Pub in North Portland.
A killer pizza was enjoyed by the attendees along with copious quantities of CABs (Cold Adult Beverages).
Strangely, no talk about the Redskins ensued until late in the evening but it seems a consensus was reached.

7-9.

Book it.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | June 4, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

7-9 for sure.
Good times last night Willie. Can't wait until the next one!

Posted by: Rod5 | June 4, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I say we trade c-los rodgers, simply because he does have value. then give barnes a shot, he wayyy more physical and wont get swallowed by wide outs like tryon.

what about atogwe for 6mil per??? with him our d will be nasty.
landry stays at SS where he can be used almost like a polamalu, hopefully**

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 4, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

damn if that dog wouldn't have been able to hit Jerry Jones' pet video board.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 4, 2010 1:35 PM

Maybe if he could do this...

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2507970/chester_the_incredible_peeing_dog/

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 4, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

ATOGWE THOUGHTS?? ANYONE???

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 4, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

We need a guy at the safety position that can make picks. I say go get him: Only if he's healthy and for a reasonable price.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 4, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | June 4, 2010 12:33 PM |
I'm not weighing in on the who's better argument but your stats fail to take into the 1 biggest factor of a corner. Ask this question: How many times was his receiver NOT thrown to because he was covered? No stats for that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 4, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 4, 2010 1:52 PM

MOL... two legs! given the small stature, makes sense that chihuahuas would opt for a different strategy.

and smack, I already served up dinner for you last night, on account of the Meat Puppets link. hope you enjoyed.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 4, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

REED DOUGHTY WILL HAVE A GOOD YEAR THIS IF HE CAN LAST THROUGH 16 GAMES,
this dude is the smartest redskin on the roster,with a GPA of 4.0 since high school,not a lot nfl players can average that,hopefully he translates all that on the field and stays injury free,


Posted by: BEE5N2002 | June 4, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

REED DOUGHTY WILL HAVE A GOOD YEAR THIS IF HE CAN LAST THROUGH 16 GAMES,
this dude is the smartest redskin on the roster,with a GPA of 4.0 since high school,not a lot nfl players can average that,hopefully he translates all that on the field and stays injury free,


Posted by: BEE5N2002 | June 4, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm ready for a vodka/cranberry

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 4, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

^ If either of them were half as good as they think they are we would be set.
Revis scored more TDs on INTs then he had TDs scored against him during his college career. Neither of our guys has ish on that.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 4, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

You might be on to something here Stu...

Revis played in a 3-4 with a beast DLine and guys pressuring the QB.

Not saying that CR or DH is a Revis clone by any strech, but if AH can show up.. in shape.. and ready to play, our D can be just as good, if not better than the NYJ...

Cheers to the Skins D being top 5 in turnovers.... wha, to early?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 4, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

as smart as reed is, he isnt the ball hawk safety we need. atgowes range will be fun to see what haslett can come up with.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 4, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Cheers to the Skins D being top 5 in turnovers.... wha, to early?


Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 4, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I'll raise a jagerbomb to that

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 4, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm ready for a vodka/cranberry

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 4, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Does your boyfriend drink also??

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 4, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

REED DOUGHTY WILL HAVE A GOOD YEAR THIS IF HE CAN LAST THROUGH 16 GAMES,
this dude is the smartest redskin on the roster,with a GPA of 4.0 since high school,not a lot nfl players can average that,hopefully he translates all that on the field and stays injury free,


Posted by: BEE5N2002 | June 4, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm ready for a vodka/cranberry

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 4, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Does your boyfriend drink also??

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 4, 2010 2:10 PM | Report ab

I don't let him. He gets mean and beats me.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 4, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

not to take away from Doughty's academic accomplishments... but a 4.0 GPA in the "sport and exercise science" program at University of Northern Colorado doesn't mean much to me.

besides, there is book smart, street smart, football smart, etc.

Doughty will be fine, he's a decent player and we can use him on this team.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 4, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

IF WE GET OJ ATOGWE TOP 5 DEFENSE!!!!

WITHOUT TOP 10

ALSO GUYS REMEMBER!!! IF WE GET OJ THAT MEANS HES NOT AN EAGLE OR A COWGIRL, WHO BOTH WANT HIM TOO

id much rather play with him on our team instead of against him

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 4, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I'll raise a jagerbomb to that

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 4, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse
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I just puked a little in my mouth

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 4, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 4, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Jager toast to abused women and men everywhere!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 4, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm not weighing in on the who's better argument but your stats fail to take into the 1 biggest factor of a corner. Ask this question: How many times was his receiver NOT thrown to because he was covered? No stats for that.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Truth in that. If the QB looks, sees good coverage and has to go somewhere else, the CB gets no stat for that. Having to go to the next receiver increases the chances of a drive killing sack or a holding penalty on the offense.

Its the reason many QBs were told not to even bother looking at the guy Darrell Green was covering. Wasting valuable time just to find out there's nothing there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 4, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 4, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Jager toast to abused women and men everywhere!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 4, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

WOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 4, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

and smack, I already served up dinner for you last night, on account of the Meat Puppets link. hope you enjoyed.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

Indeed I did, thanks. Great band.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 4, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

move along now, everyone... nothing more to see here.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 4, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I mean really if you cannot see a correlation between performance and contract years then you are being naive.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 4, 2010 12:04 PM

Last year was a contract year, no? Hence the RFA status? He should have beasted out then and maybe he'd be signed to a long term deal right now.
Just sayin'

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 4, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

here we go again. Redskins have 1st round talent and everyone thinks he's a bust because he is not "spectacular". Carlos Rogers is a solid NFL CB. If not let's start the Barnes kid from MD or the other guy from AZ state (justin tryon) that cannot cover his own shadow. I go to the games and D hall is not a great cover corner. he can catch though, which leads folks to think he is better than he is.

i hope haslett's system and the fact Rogers will tackle too, wil help the guy flourish in this system.

Posted by: whomp1 | June 4, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

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