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Rhino: Battered Shoulder, Bruised Ego

It has been a rough stretch for second-year guard Chad "The Rhino" Rinehart, who was demoted from the starting lineup after only two weeks and inactive in the last game. He could be inactive for Sunday's game as well and he also has a sore shoulder.

"I don't know about Chad 'cause he really is complaining about his shoulder," Coach Jim Zorn responded when asked whether Rinehart would be active against the Kansas City Chiefs. "I don't know what I'm going to do there yet as far as the O line. I've also got to have a tackle."

In addition to experiencing shoulder pain, Rinehart also apparently suffered from a bruised ego caused by Zorn's decision to start Mike Williams at right guard in the 20-17 loss to the Carolina Panthers. With Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels possibly out for the remainder of the season because of a neck injury, Williams moved back to tackle and guard-center Will Montgomery was named the starter at right guard for the upcoming game.


Earlier in the week, Rinehart, who said he was injured early during the victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, expressed disappointment about his rapid tumble down the depth chart. And the pain from his shoulder has only made things more difficult for the former third-round draft pick.

"I definitely think I could" play despite the injury, Rinehart said. "It kind of be a game-time decision. But I feel like, right now, I've gotten a lot of strength back. It feels ready to go.

"It's just weak. The pain's really not the issue. It's just getting the strength back in the joint so I can be able to run block, and just being able to hold the block and initiate the contact."

By Jason Reid  |  October 16, 2009; 5:05 PM ET
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Comments

"WR-TE-WR"

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

2nd attempt to say "WR-TE-WR"

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

3rd round pick has ouchy. He feel sad.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

4th Floor is a Bamatastic Bamafied Bama.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

5th win of the season....might not happen.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

6th round pick...still belongs to the Dolphins for JT.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

7th head coach under Snyder not far away....

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

8th grade...awkward time for all.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

9th round pick...Darryl Grant

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

10th season of "Mr." Snyder....Ugh.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

9th grade.....time to start smoking some dope.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 16, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

McPoopy! Thanks...I was runnin' outta steam.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Where is Levi Jones? Other than the fact that the 'skin STINK, I thought he wasn't interested in playing Right Tackle. Isn't he available now?

Posted by: temunley | October 16, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we sign OT Alex Boone off of the 49ers practice squad? We should have drafted him anyway.

He was the starting Left tackle for Ohio State and was projecting a first day selection until he got stupid with a bottle and got busted. 6'7" 330. Very big boy.

Beats doing nothing...

Posted by: edvar | October 16, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Would anyone expect anything else other than this scenario/predicament? Rinehart is but another one of Vinny & Danny's wasted draft picks. Geez - only Vinny & Danny would waste a 3rd round pick on an OL from Northern Iowa, an FCS/1AA school. Reinhart was maybe a 6th or 7th round pick at best.

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 16, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Obviously Rhino must really suck during practices. I thought that his play during the game wasn't That bad.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 16, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Wear black to the game on Sunday to support the Snyder Boycott! Don't buy any concessions at the game to hurt Snyder in the pocketbook.
http://burgundyrevolution.com/2009/10/what-do-we-want-and-why.html

Posted by: nganassim | October 16, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

VegasJim, obviously you don't watch the games than if you think Rhino isn't that bad. Oh well, go back to the tables.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 16, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Wear black to the game on Sunday to support the Snyder Boycott! Don't buy any concessions at the game to hurt Snyder in the pocketbook.
http://burgundyrevolution.com/2009/10/what-do-we-want-and-why.html


Posted by: nganassim | October 16, 2009 5:50 PM
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Also, instead of booing the team off the field, everyone should yell "Boo-urns"

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 16, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Nice run 4 - 12

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 16, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes, a Roscoe..Trade everything and the kids for Roscoe Parrish!! (It's gettin' grim, Jim)...

Posted by: frak | October 16, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

It sounds to me like they are tying to us Chad as an excuse for their failures. You going to bench this guy but not Heyer! In the two games he played I did not se him get blown up like Heyer. If he lost strength in his arm then it is more than just a sore/bruised/ or however the F they want to call it. They just need to come out and say what is really wrong with his shoulder. I can tell you that if he lost strength in his arm/shoulder it is more just a bruised shoulder.F these coaches!! Glad when they are gone along the Vinny!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jm220 | October 16, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we sign OT Alex Boone off of the 49ers practice squad? We should have drafted him anyway.

He was the starting Left tackle for Ohio State and was projecting a first day selection until he got stupid with a bottle and got busted. 6'7" 330. Very big boy.

Beats doing nothing...

Posted by: edvar | October 16, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse


Ohio State, eh?

Let me guess. He was highly touted until OSU played an SEC team - say, Florida - Alex Boone then gotten beaten by pass rushers like he was standing still.

Scouts stepped back and realized he was just another overrated Big 10 schmuck who doesn't stand a chance against NFL caliber speed rushers.

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

funk, you make it sound like he only played one season. He started for a couple of years.

Anyway, my point is that we are perilously shallow - especially at tackle and the guy might be able to step in at RT and hold his own. Right now, the FO is doing a whole bunch of NOTHING when options exist. Plus, he could develop into something special under Buges watchful eye.

Just saying...

Posted by: edvar | October 16, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

9th grade.....time to start smoking some dope.
Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 16, 2009

Huh? Another frustrated virgin smoking dope in the boy's room? Its time to get lucky dude.

Posted by: periculum | October 16, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we sign OT Alex Boone off of the 49ers practice squad? We should have drafted him anyway.

He was the starting Left tackle for Ohio State and was projecting a first day selection until he got stupid with a bottle and got busted. 6'7" 330. Very big boy.

WTF!? If you are right ... hell yes they should sign that guy ... if this FO and coach were going to be picky they should have started with some of the free agents they signed? Get on the damned horn with his agent!!! What a bunch of dilwads.

Posted by: periculum | October 16, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"I don't know about Chad 'cause he really is complaining about his shoulder," Coach Jim Zorn responded when asked whether Rinehart would be active against the Kansas City Chiefs.=========================Zorn seems to know the details about every other player that is injuried but somehow doesn't know about Rinehart....fishy

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 16, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Just saying...

Posted by: edvar | October 16, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse


I know. I'd take him over BMW in a heartbeat.

The Skins just have me pissed off, and I took the opportunity to vent on the overrated Big 10...that's all...

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone actually figured out what Sherm Lewis is doing.

I know there's been alot of jokes and such, but for real, when he came in here it was reported that he hadn't talked to Zorn and he didn't quite know what his role would be.

Apart from providing his "eyes", does he do anything else?


Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse
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I think he's cashing a big fat paycheck.

Posted by: Xlnt | October 16, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Apart from providing his "eyes", does he do anything else?

He's probably missing bingo by now.

Posted by: bostskin | October 16, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

The front office has QUIT on this team.

if you think they've quit because they haven't brought in Kendall, then how do you explain that no other team has brought him in....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

jeez Greg, do we need to give you reading lessons?

Its not about Kendall. Its that we've lost our top OL and perhaps our 2nd best OL and that the front office hasn't brought in guys to replace them, even as backups. We know there are proven guys who have a pretty good chance at being capable replacements. Runyan, Kendall, Jones among them.

If mgmt was calling these guys and having them come to Redskins Park, it'd be one thing. But nothing? Have you looked at our backup OL? Rinehart isn't full strength and Zorn is considering not even dressing him. That leaves Williams (Edwin) and Batiste.

The front office has quit on this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 16, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

if they let lewis call plays at least the terminology is simple. Ok Jason let's go with B25....B25... That's B25

Vinny wants Campbell to be the patsie, therefore NO O line.

Its the players the coaches and the fans VS the front office

Biggest way to screw these guys now is to win. They want to blow it up bring in a fancy big name coach and meddle meddle meddle

But if we start winning they may start to lay off and cooperate

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 16, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Poopy, Go back to the outhouse. Just trying to make some humor out of your fixation with everything poop.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 16, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm a 12 point underdog in my FF game vs Zornskins. He has 4 guys with bye weeks and one of his WRs is injured.

I've got great matchups (3 guys vs Det, 2 vs StL, Steeler defense vs Cleveland ...)

We'll see how it plays out, but dang, Zorny your team is sick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 16, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

How do you come to the conclusion that I havea fixation with everything poop? Just curious.

Also, put $10 on black for me. Advice I always follow, as gotten from Wesley Snipes, "Always bet on black."

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 16, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts on the Skins using the sildcat.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

There are reasons the wildcat works well for Miami. For starters, they did a lot of research and thinking about how it works. Its not just a formation, but an integral part of how they play.

Second, Miami has two talented RBs and they want them both on the field together. That was one of the reasons they went to the wildcat.

Third, Miami is way ahead in determining how to use the wildcat. The players have practiced it a lot, the coaches have a lot of opportunity to learn from what they've done so far with their talent.

Fourth, its not a hard defense to defend, its just that most teams don't design their defenses to defend it. Outside of the AFC East, 10 teams see it 1x per year, 18 teams never see it. Why devote time to practice a defense you'll use once?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 16, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Vinny wants Campbell to be the patsie, therefore NO O line.

Its the players the coaches and the fans VS the front office

Biggest way to screw these guys now is to win. They want to blow it up bring in a fancy big name coach and meddle meddle meddle

But if we start winning they may start to lay off and cooperate

Posted by: pabrian2003

Its really hard to see any sort of strategy in this other than what you're suggesting -- that they want to fail and use that as an excuse to start over.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 16, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

tanking the way nba teams do all the time for a top pick

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 16, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

From Vinny Cerrato's Wikipedia page:

"His eyes are bulging and he looks tweaked like he sniffs cocaine all the time - you know, the yayo. It is also rumored that he has naked pictures of Daniel Snyder in bed with Rosie O'Donnell, sandwiched in between Tom Cruise."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinny_Cerrato#San_Francisco_49ers

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 16, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Tampa Bay now tanking or being realistic and hoping to get better next year? They traded Gaines Adams to the Bears for a 2nd round pick.

Posted by: will_ga | October 16, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 5:20 PM

That was a pretty impressive example of mono blogging your guts out. Hope we see that kind of effort at Fed Ex on Sunday against the Chiefs!

Posted by: will_ga | October 16, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

This team is really bad and the fans are even worse. Let's play Marcus Mason and see what he can do. He is a great preseason RB that could not play for any other NFL team. Let's sign this player and that player because they went to Maryland or Georgetown. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! These guys are rejects. Just because they can play college ball doesn't mean they are NFL pro bowlers. The Redskins are in a bad situation. They need to use the draft to try and get offensive lineman. Hopefully, they get get a good GM this offseason and the seaosn will be uncapped. If not, it will be 3-4 year before the Redskins can even think about competing again.

Signed a very disgusted and longtime fan.

Posted by: cspwoods3 | October 16, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Deadskins 4 da next 30 years. Deadskins fo lyfe!

Posted by: ejohnsto | October 16, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Apart from providing his "eyes", does he do anything else?

He's probably missing bingo by now.

Posted by: bostskin
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Yep, he was probably leveraging his key bingo role into some serious blue-haired babe action.

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 16, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinny_Cerrato#San_Francisco_49ers

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 16, 2009 8:16 PM

Pretty hilarious poopy ... you forgot to add the story about Cerrato's bout with insanity where Cerrato put himself in one of those whole body prophylactics and then went down to the bottom of the hole of an enclosed outhouse/latrine in Big Sur so that he could let people poop and pee on him. They had to remove the whole structure to get him out.

Can't believe you forgot that little tidbit?

Posted by: periculum | October 16, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

on redskins.com zorn said marko is ballin at practice and making the d better, but he just can't activate him. also said the will be bringing in o-line men for tryouts.

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 16, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for drafting OL, but ... it takes a couple years for an OL to develop in most cases (yes, there are a few exceptions).

You draft for needs that are 2 years out.

Which is why this OL problem is so big. Its probably takes 2 drafts to get enough talent, then 2 years to develop the guys. Basically, it's 2012 before we can expect an adequate OL -- unless we trade and grab free agents. And those guys are never free.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 16, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Even if there's a win on Sunday, it's still a loss.

Posted by: ejohnsto | October 16, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Even if there's a win on Sunday, it's still a loss.

Posted by: ejohnsto | October 16, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse


For my purposes, the opposite is true.

A loss is a win - one more failure to hurl at Snyder to get him to FIRE VINNY!

Speaking of Cerratto's bug eyes.

Do you think he brought in Sherm Lewis for "another pair of eyes" as some part of a freaky-deaky-"Hostel"-type body part harvesting scheme?

...maybe that's why we've heard nothing from Sherm since he was introduced and told us that they want his eyes...

Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Which is why this OL problem is so big. Its probably takes 2 drafts to get enough talent, then 2 years to develop the guys. Basically, it's 2012 before we can expect an adequate OL -- unless we trade and grab free agents. And those guys are never free.

Its really better to draft them. Drafting mostly OL next year and then consistently drafting additional linemen for the following 2 drafts. You aren't going to find a Lachey out there.

Posted by: periculum | October 16, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Zeke - And yet on the official standings I am still 7th out of 12. Sort of like Clinton Portis's assessment of the talent level on the team vs. the reality of play. We'll see.

Also I too am opposed to the sildcat, although perhaps if I learned more I could be convinced...

I'm a 12 point underdog in my FF game vs Zornskins. He has 4 guys with bye weeks and one of his WRs is injured.

I've got great matchups (3 guys vs Det, 2 vs StL, Steeler defense vs Cleveland ...)

We'll see how it plays out, but dang, Zorny your team is sick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 16, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 16, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

More importantly: the Chiefs are terrible. I mean I know we said that about the Rams and the Bucs but these guys are truly, truly terrible. Florida would beat them handily. They belong in the CFL or something - maybe the UFL or AFL.

Even if Redskins play poorly they should win by 20 points. Now the Eagles, more to be worried about there. But anyone who is picking against the Redskins this week (even with the points) is throwing away money.

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 16, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Also I want to finally present my own Bingo Lewis conspiracy theory. You guys listen to the clip when Vinny is asked what Bingo has been doing for the last 5 years, and he basically has no answer ("his son is a coordinator at XYZ state" was the lame response"). The reason that Vinny had no idea was that this wasn't his pick - it was the person that Holmgren told them to get when they called him up in a moment of desperation.

Bingo is the advance guard of the Holmgren invasion. But Holmgren as coach not GM, remember he was OK with that after a while when it didn't work for him. Bingo's job is just to write down what is good/salvagable, so that whenever the announcement is made (mid-season, end of season, etc.) Holmgren has someone he can trust in place to help him navigate the new team.

Not very novel perhaps and perhaps been posted 10x already but I like the linkage to the clueless VC conference call awkward silence.

zornskins

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 16, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

redskins should do the same exact thing with LL that the bucs did with gaines adams, same draft class same type of results (not a bust but def not what they were expecting)

Posted by: drewkinnear | October 16, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Mmmmm, battered rhino shoulder is delicious. Best meal I ate in Africa.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 16, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Also I want to finally present my own Bingo Lewis conspiracy theory. You guys listen to the clip when Vinny is asked what Bingo has been doing for the last 5 years, and he basically has no answer ("his son is a coordinator at XYZ state" was the lame response"). The reason that Vinny had no idea was that this wasn't his pick - it was the person that Holmgren told them to get when they called him up in a moment of desperation.

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 16, 2009 9:37 PM


Naw, zornskins. Classic misdirection.

This has Trilateral Commission false flag operation written all over it.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 16, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

redskins should do the same exact thing with LL that the bucs did with gaines adams, same draft class same type of results (not a bust but def not what they were expecting)

Posted by: drewkinnear | October 16, 2009 9:39 PM

And what will this accomplish? Yes, he's missed some plays this year, but how bad has he really played this year? You're taking the most experienced player at safety off the team, and the second most important player in communicating aliments on defense for a second round draft pick? It would be a bad idea to do that.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Drew,

I never thought I would say this, but I agree 100%... Doughty back deep and Horton at SS.... We could get a 2nd rd pick for him at this point... I think we have seen his "up-side" at this point. More to gain........ Wait, hold on.. I was making an assumption that we would make a smart choice with that Draft pick... Nevermind...


CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 16, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it, folks: Rinehart is a bust for a 3rd round pick.

And is anyone surprised? Vinny Cerrato understands how to draft in the first round (Orakpo, Landry, Taylor, etc.) but he's absolutely clueless beyond that.

Vinny Cerrato can't draft any better than a fan who watches a lot of Mel Kiper starting in March. He's totally incompetent and he's only kept around so that Snyder can play fantasy football without being reprimanded.

Snyder, if you EVER want to win in this league...

FIRE VINNY!
FIRE VINNY!
FIRE VINNY!

Posted by: drischord | October 16, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Where is our beloved "Mayor" on this story?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4565584

Samuels, Out for the Year?!!!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 16, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

The thing about LL is that he (like so many of the skins players) is not playing at his natural position. I think that the more prudent thing would be to draft a FS or, wait for it, bring back Ryan Clarke who I believe happens to be a FA in 2010.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Alright Freakzilla. I give up on putting all of the pieces together. Conspiracy stuff has ever been a strong suit to be quite honest. But WTF is going on? Not being facetious - I just really would like to know what we are in for, in every one's estimation.

//
Naw, zornskins. Classic misdirection.

This has Trilateral Commission false flag operation written all over it.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 16, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 16, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone actually figured out what Sherm Lewis is doing.I know there's been a lot of jokes and such, but for real, when he came in here it was reported that he hadn't talked to Zorn and he didn't quite know what his role would be.

Apart from providing his "eyes", does he do anything else?


Posted by: p1funk | October 16, 2009 5:10 PM

He's learning the offense he'll be running if the skin lose to the Eagles on Mon night.

Posted by: mack1 | October 16, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Dris,

I actually think Vinny does better picking later rd talent.... Everyone is going to blow a pick a year... otherwise there would be total turnover of every football team in 4-5 yrs...

Horton, Doughty, Marko Mitchell, Jarmon, HB Blades, Golston, Anthony Montgomery, Kareem Moore ( starting to show some depth )Tryon ( kind of ) Not to mention Free Agents like Chris Wilson and Lorenzo Alexander...

It's Danny I tell you........

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 16, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Where is our beloved "Mayor" on this story?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4565584

Samuels, Out for the Year?!!!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 16, 2009 9:56 PM

Get a life, CLEGG. Read the story. It quoted the Washington Post. The mayor reported this a day or two ago. And, it's not a story -- yet. It's a possibility.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 16, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

TE,

Quit being a prick...... I read it.... I know where it was reported.. it was sarcasm.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 16, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

This has Trilateral Commission false flag operation written all over it.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 16, 2009 9:46 PM

LOL!

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 16, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Shorter Rinehart: He can't play.

And if you can't play with this line, you simply can't play.

He'll be gone when the new management comes in.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 16, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins lose Sun (which I do not expect!), they should evaluate what pieces they can trade before Mon's deadline in order to pick up some prime picks for next year. In fact, if Snyder comes to his senses, he will figure out that he will need to present a full cupboard of 2010 picks to any serious GM/head of football ops candidates next Dec/Jan.

It would be great if the Skins could pick up a 3rd rd pick (remember, they don't have 1 due to the supplemental draft selection of Jarmon) and another 5th or 6th round pick as well.

Question is, what pieces would you trade off to net such picks? I think Montgomery could possibly get you a 5th or 6th rounder. Who do you part with to get you a 3rd round pick?

Posted by: gilk | October 16, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Now think about this, if Dan Snyder claims he really wants to win then how as a young Redskin fan watching the "HOGS" manhandle opposing D-lines every Sunday for almost a decade could he with any reasonable amount of common sense not address the O-line on this team these last two draft's i mean you would have to be absolutely stupid to not know this, or you want Jason Campbell to fail which is what i think he wants for whatever reason and if i hear Sonny Jurgensen or John Riggins utter one more negative about this team then i think i'm going to puke, Jurgensen more than anyone should understand Campbell's plight,at least Jurgensen had Bobby Mitchell,Charley Taylor, and Jerry Smith Campbell's got one legit wide receiver Santana Moss Riggins was a jackoff and ducked out on the Skins for a season and had the luxury of running behind the HOGS, and Riggins had Art Monk to take some of the pressure off the running game not to mention Joe Gibbs as the head coach so to both of these so called core redskins do us all a favor SHUT UP!

Posted by: dargregmag | October 16, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I know where it was reported.. it was sarcasm.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 16, 2009 10:10 PM

Right. Sarcasm. "A form of humor that uses sharp, cutting remarks or language intended to mock, wound, or subject to contempt or ridicule." Went right over my head. My bad.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 16, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Vinny lets the Interns pick the late picks.. ala Horton in 08.
+++++++++++++++++++


Dris,

I actually think Vinny does better picking later rd talent.... Everyone is going to blow a pick a year... otherwise there would be total turnover of every football team in 4-5 yrs...

Horton, Doughty, Marko Mitchell, Jarmon, HB Blades, Golston, Anthony Montgomery, Kareem Moore ( starting to show some depth )Tryon ( kind of ) Not to mention Free Agents like Chris Wilson and Lorenzo Alexander...

It's Danny I tell you........

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 16, 2009 10:06 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 16, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 16, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Question is, what pieces would you trade off to net such picks? I think Montgomery could possibly get you a 5th or 6th rounder. Who do you part with to get you a 3rd round pick?

Posted by: gilk | October 16, 2009 10:15 PM

I can think of three people on defense that can be traded and would net a high round draft pick because of their age & experience, LL,Los, Mac. On offense it'd be Cooley and that's it. IMO I wouldn't trade them, unless something really good was offered.

Posted by: TWISI | October 16, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

The smartest thing would be to trade "Hands" at this point, since he is a FA in the off-season. Tough to replace decent cover corners, but not sure he will take less than DHall and we can't pay them both big money.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 16, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I love how these morons think they know what to do who to draft and why certain players can't get the job done...

Most of the people on here who post comments are too retarded to even hold a real job...

99% did not even play high school football...

I hate to break it to you but these prof athletes don't gove an F what you think...they didn't care when they knew you...not much has changed loses

Posted by: SkinsForever22044 | October 16, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Wait I have to add this...jlc is a tool, but u know what, as much of a loser that guy was the ones who spent hours on here jumping on him were the biggest morons...not even to begin why but let's just say upper/smart vs. Lower/stupid....

But u know what, ur a loser with nothing because someone else is holding you back....hahahahahahahahahaaaaa

Posted by: SkinsForever22044 | October 16, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow skins fans are retarded, and anyone who listens to LAVAR have BIG problems..

Does that guy know how to talk? Has he ever read something besides a fast food menu?

Posted by: SkinsForever22044 | October 16, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

The d line sucks...
No the qb sucks...
No we can't sign FA
No we can't draf
No we are tools..........

Posted by: SkinsForever22044 | October 16, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Even if Redskins play poorly they should win by 20 points... zornskins2

Hey, zornskins2, I've got some money to throw away if you want to give me the Chiefs and 20.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 16, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

SkinsForever22044 It's time for you to go nighty-night. Dude, really? You type like you are drunk...

On another point, who do we trade for picks next year. I think:

Montgomery
C Rogers
Alexander


Can we get anything for:
Smoot?
JC 17
Davis?

We need picks!

Posted by: edvar | October 16, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Edvar, I like the way your headed, but I think it's a dead end.

Why would anyone trade a draft pick for a washed-up corner (Smoot), a QB who has no confidence left (JC), and a giggling man-child who was killer in college but a bust in the NFL (Davis)?

As for C Rogers, maybe, maybe not. Once you trade him, tho, you have essentially given up on this year.

Which I did right after the Detroit Debacle.

Still hopin' to hear from zornskins2 about gettin' the Chiefs and 20 for Sundays game.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 17, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the interest in action. Should have probably said I don't play there, but I thought I said I recommend that gamblers get in on the Redskins to cover easily.

I really do think that the skins will destroy this pathetic team though. If not then let's just focus on 2013.

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 17, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Hey, at this point, I'll take a bunch of 5th and 6th rounders. This year is looking like it's over. We're not gonna sign Carlos, why not get a good pick for him?

Posted by: edvar | October 17, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

5-11

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2009 11:09 AM

Who are you talking to? Some relative?

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2009 11:31 AM

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Damn funny.

This is funny.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 17, 2009 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Haha so we trade for picks...
I guess we should have drafted better and picked up Levi right? How about gholsten???

I Love how everyone thinks good teams are made out of high end draft picks...

If you had any brains you woukd realize that Cerrato wanted Pat Willis and came up short and got Rocky...

Btw how many top five rounds make up the pats/giants/eagles line???????

Posted by: SkinsForever22044 | October 17, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Right. Sarcasm. "A form of humor that uses sharp, cutting remarks or language intended to mock, wound, or subject to contempt or ridicule." Went right over my head. My bad.

Posted by: talent_evaluator |

Where's u find that definition, "The Sarcasm Victim's Thesaurus?"

Why without sarcasm there wouldn't be any casm at all. Tie on a pair, Sally, it's a big boy's board. Oh wait, your response WAS sarcasm. Never mind....

Posted by: TheCork | October 17, 2009 1:07 AM | Report abuse

I love how people think DS gives n F what u think....Like it matters

Posted by: SkinsForever22044 | October 17, 2009 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Also I want to finally present my own Bingo Lewis conspiracy theory. You guys listen to the clip when Vinny is asked what Bingo has been doing for the last 5 years, and he basically has no answer ("his son is a coordinator at XYZ state" was the lame response"). The reason that Vinny had no idea was that this wasn't his pick - it was the person that Holmgren told them to get when they called him up in a moment of desperation.

Bingo is the advance guard of the Holmgren invasion. But Holmgren as coach not GM, remember he was OK with that after a while when it didn't work for him. Bingo's job is just to write down what is good/salvagable, so that whenever the announcement is made (mid-season, end of season, etc.) Holmgren has someone he can trust in place to help him navigate the new team.

Not very novel perhaps and perhaps been posted 10x already but I like the linkage to the clueless VC conference call awkward silence.

zornskins

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 16, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

___________________________

I thought Zorn was the advance guard of Holmgren.

Posted by: Xlnt | October 17, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Now think about this, if Dan Snyder claims he really wants to win then how as a young Redskin fan watching the "HOGS" manhandle opposing D-lines every Sunday for almost a decade could he with any reasonable amount of common sense not address the O-line on this team these last two draft's i mean you would have to be absolutely stupid to not know this, or you want Jason Campbell to fail which is what i think he wants for whatever reason and if i hear Sonny Jurgensen or John Riggins utter one more negative about this team then i think i'm going to puke, Jurgensen more than anyone should understand Campbell's plight,at least Jurgensen had Bobby Mitchell,Charley Taylor, and Jerry Smith Campbell's got one legit wide receiver Santana Moss Riggins was a jackoff and ducked out on the Skins for a season and had the luxury of running behind the HOGS, and Riggins had Art Monk to take some of the pressure off the running game not to mention Joe Gibbs as the head coach so to both of these so called core redskins do us all a favor SHUT UP!

Posted by: dargregmag | October 16, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse


ummmmm, that was actually one sentence dude. kinda zorny.....

Posted by: cancunlizzard | October 17, 2009 4:10 AM | Report abuse

Right. Sarcasm. "A form of humor that uses sharp, cutting remarks or language intended to mock, wound, or subject to contempt or ridicule." Went right over my head. My bad.

Posted by: talent_evaluator |

Where's u find that definition, "The Sarcasm Victim's Thesaurus?"

Why without sarcasm there wouldn't be any casm at all. Tie on a pair, Sally, it's a big boy's board. Oh wait, your response WAS sarcasm. Never mind....

Posted by: TheCork | October 17, 2009 1:07 AM |

Damn, Cork, you caught me. Can't slip one by on you, can I? I think it was Abraham Lincoln who said it best in his Gettysburg Speech, "You can fool all the CLEGGs all the time, but you can't fool any of TheCorks any of the time, so don't even try." Truer words were never spoken.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2009 6:35 AM | Report abuse

fire vinny................that is all

Posted by: cancunlizzard | October 17, 2009 6:55 AM | Report abuse

fire vinny................that is all

Posted by: cancunlizzard | October 17, 2009 6:55 AM

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Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Statement about Parcells. Something Zorn should learn.

"I learned to win from him,'' Coughlin says. "The Redskins were a tremendous rival of ours. They had an outstanding defense and one time we literally went down there with our entire offense consisting of three-step drops, quick slants, fades and a running game. I'm thinking, 'Holy smokes, how're we going to win?' We won the game. It was a revelation to me. It was an example of knowing your opponent and not going overboard with your thinking.''

Posted by: jm220 | October 17, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

"He taught me the importance of reducing the quantity of offense,'' Payton says. "During the offseason, you work on the index of runs and passes. These are the plays we want to be good at. We'd spend weeks on that list. Weeks. Then at some point in the spring, he'd laminate the list. That'd be it. Those were the plays we were going to work on being good at. No more were added. More is not better.

Posted by: jm220 | October 17, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Never been a big Parcell fan but after reading this I have a lot of respect for him.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/dave_hyde/10/14/parcells.tree/index.html?section=si_latest

Posted by: jm220 | October 17, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Headline for this should have been:

Rhino Has Bruised Egoooo....Such a Brusied Egoooo...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 17, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

"....And the pain from his shoulder has only made things more difficult for the former third-round draft pick."



And the pain from the 2008 draft class continues to hurt the redskins.

Let's review:

Malcolm Kelly
Fred Davis
Devin Thomas
Chad Rhinehart
Durant Brooks
Chris Horton

Not a complete starter or contributor in the bunch, other than Horton--and Doughty has beat him out.

This sorry draft coupled with the loopy decisions in previous years to trade picks for over-rated players is why we are where we are.

And where we are is nowhere near a complete professional football team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 17, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

edvar

"We need picks!"


No.

We need better pickers.

Having picks without the right system of deciding how to use them is why we took three pass catchers in '08.

If I'm Jim Zorn, I'd take a page from the Book of Jason Taylor.

That is, I'd say something like, "Hey, let's get a strong general manager who selects players who fit what we do or, I dunno, maybe you need someone else here who understands what you want in a head coach."

In other words, Zorn should force the FO to get reasonable or let him out of my contract so he can move on to another job with his rep intact.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 17, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

"Even if there's a win on Sunday, it's still a loss."

I'd rather lose.

I'm in draft mode with this squad.

I have nothing positive to say about them, but I do have something positive to say about another team that spends money like a drunken sailor in a strip club:

Go Yanks!!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 17, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

In other words, Zorn should force the FO to get reasonable or let him out of my contract so he can move on to another job with his rep intact.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 17, 2009 8:38 AM |

Yeah, poor Zorn. He's such a victim. Cnyder and Serrato have really screwed him over. He had no input into anything that's happened and now they're blaming him for everything.

"Let him out of his contract?" Dude, he's going to get out of his contract, maybe on Monday.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

In other words, Zorn should force the FO to get reasonable or let him out of my contract so he can move on to another job with his rep intact.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 17, 2009 8:38 AM |


I'm sure that in Zorn's mind there are financial considerations at play.

Typically, if a coach is fired the organization has to honor the contract or a portion of it in terms of payout.

If a coach resigns willingly, they lose out on the $$.

Besides, not sure if Zorn's rep could get any worse than it is...a loss to the Chiefs will only confirm what people already think, not sink him any lower.

Posted by: p1funk | October 17, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

talent_evalutor

"He (Jim Zorn) had no input into anything that's happened and now they're blaming him for everything."

I hope I'm not quoting you out of context, but Zorn's case is a classic example of what happens when the unprepared snook hooks up with the arrogant know-it-alls.

You really have to wonder who'd take the redskins' head coaching job given the way the Zorn experiment has worked out.

Do you thin Russ Grimm--or any other prime candidate-- would bite at the chance of coming to DC given what's happened over the past 10 years?

Don't think so.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 17, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

TE,

You are such a smug, rigid dude........

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 17, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

TE,

You are such a smug, rigid dude........

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 17, 2009 9:35 AM

Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep it in mind.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

There is always going to be someone to take a chance of being an NFL Head Coach.. Remember, Snyder is a salesman and has deep pockets. The question remains, when will he believe and act on the things he tells the next round of coaches? (meaning, "I've changed my ways and I'm leaving the football decisions up to football people) The guy wants to win, but if we keep this franchise valuable he will keep doing things the same way.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 17, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

As for C Rogers, maybe, maybe not. Once you trade him, tho, you have essentially given up on this year.

Which I did right after the Detroit Debacle.

Still hopin' to hear from zornskins2 about gettin' the Chiefs and 20 for Sundays game.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 17, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Have you seen this season? We are going nowhere fast. Rogers is gone either way next year. Get something for him now. He's a cover corner that can't make a big play. Let the young guys earn their stripes, meanwhile playing for the 1st pick in next years draft...

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 17, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins were a tremendous rival of ours. They had an outstanding defense and one time we literally went down there with our entire offense consisting of three-step drops, quick slants, fades and a running game.

Posted by: jm220 | October 17, 2009 7:44 AM

Does this statement burn you up? "Were a tremendous rival of ours". Damn this FO has F uped this organization.

Posted by: TWISI | October 17, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

clegg

"The question remains, when will he believe and act on the things he tells the next round of coaches?"


True.

Snyder does have deep pockets.

And an ego that has to be so deep that it's where he stashes his money.

In fact, he and Jerry Jones both have the same fascination with making money and playing Madden GM.

That fact alone might be why both teams, the skins and cowpokes, presently look great on paper, but underwhelm on the field.

Jones at least took his hands off things during the Parcells' years to middling success.

Snyder tried to take his hands off the team during the Schottenheimer years, then chased away a solid football guy/azzhole in Marty--a guy who did okay with the likes of Tony Banks running things.

Perhaps the sorry Zorn-inflected present case will stink enough to make Snyder stand back and let the football people run the team will he keeps his hands to himself.

Besides, he'll discover that if he keeps his hands to himself and off the team, they'll be more pleasure involved than money spent.

No matter how deep his pockets are.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 17, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

TE,

Quit being a prick......

Posted by: michael_b_clegg |

You are such a smug, rigid dude........

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 17, 2009 9:35 AM

First you call me a prick, and then you complain that I'm rigid. Can't help it. It's in my nature.

And, "smug, rigid" from a guy who types his names in all caps above his name?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

No.

We need better pickers.


Yeah, that kind of goes without saying. I am assuming a cleaned house by Jan 5th. Thought we already crossed that bridge... Sorry.

Posted by: edvar | October 17, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

don't mean to break up the insult post but.....

For fellow Kool aid drinkers. Only one hope left Devin. He will start smoking CB when they stack the line on 1st/2nd down. D gets one TD a game plus our normal 10 points. Thats 20-24 points a game = 10-6.

Hahhahahhha

Posted by: mul123 | October 17, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

He will start smoking CB when they stack the line on 1st/2nd down. D gets one TD a game plus our normal 10 points. Thats 20-24 points a game = 10-6.

Posted by: mul123 | October 17, 2009 11:10 AM

Yeah, and you're smoking something and it's not CB. His problem isn't getting open. It's holding onto the ball when it hits him in the hands.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Chad = bust
Kelly = bust
Sleepy = bust

Devin = potential bust
Obama = best Z receiver.

anyone willing to argue the other way. Is this just too clear now even for Kool Aid drinkers.

Posted by: mul123 | October 17, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, and you're smoking something and it's not CB. His problem isn't getting open. It's holding onto the ball when it hits him in the hands.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 17, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I saw a demo on catching in the sumer with colt throwing to our receivers. DT got 5 out of 6 with only Marko doing better. So in practice he has good hands. (drink my Kool aid)

These passes were blind outs i.e. the wideout has his back turned to the QB, ball out turn and catch.

Posted by: mul123 | October 17, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"He (Jim Zorn) had no input into anything that's happened and now they're blaming him for everything."


I hope I'm not quoting you out of context, but Zorn's case is a classic example of what happens when the unprepared snook hooks up with the arrogant know-it-alls.

You really have to wonder who'd take the redskins' head coaching job given the way the Zorn experiment has worked out.

Do you thin Russ Grimm--or any other prime candidate-- would bite at the chance of coming to DC given what's happened over the past 10 years?

Don't think so.

Posted by: MistaMoe

well stated Moe! I think the type of coach that would come here is like the type of free agent the Skins have attracted the last 10 years or so. They are here for the payday above all else. Team is a distant concept if even thought of at all.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 17, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I actually have hope for sleepy

Posted by: drewkinnear | October 17, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

So this is one of those things that mystify me.
The GM-contingent Up Here wants us to draft something like 6 OL next year.
Chad Rinehart was drafted as the #13 OL overall in 2008.


1 1 Jake Long T Michigan Miami Dolphins
1 12 Ryan Clady T Boise State Denver Broncos
1 14 Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt Chicago Bears
1 15 Branden Albert T Virginia Kansas City Chiefs
1 17 Gosder Cherilus T Boston College Detroit Lions
1 19 Jeff Otah T Pittsburgh Carolina Panthers
1 21 Sam Baker T USC Atlanta Falcons
1 26 Duane Brown T Virginia Tech Houston Texans
2 39 Chilo Rachal G USC San Francisco 49ers
2 59 Mike Pollak G Arizona State Indianapolis Colts
3 65 John Greco T Toledo St. Louis Rams
3 83 Jeremy Zuttah G Rutgers Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3 96 Chad Rinehart T Northern Iowa Washington Redskins

We had #21 overall, and you can argue about whether we should've traded with ATL, but I thought we needed all the 1st-day picks we could get.
Once you make the trade, I have no problem with taking DT with our first pick (although taking someone from MooStateU is always risky). So here are the OL picks that we could've had with the Sleepy pick:


2 59 Mike Pollak G Arizona State Indianapolis Colts
3 65 John Greco T Toledo St. Louis Rams
3 83 Jeremy Zuttah G Rutgers Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3 96 Chad Rinehart T Northern Iowa Washington Redskins

I'm not seeing how WR-OL-OL would've made us an elite team.
I don't want to try to defend WR-TE-WR, but tell me how getting John Greco gets us to the Super Bowl.

And if you want to blame Vinnie for a bad pick on Rhino, go to the 4th round in 2008 and tell me who was clearly the correct pick. Clearly at the time, not clearly in hindsight -- you surround Rhino with two all-pros, and I'll bet he'd be ok. Surround him with Heyer and Rabach, and I'm not sure what confidence I'd have (or rather, I am, and it's not much).

Posted by: daggar | October 17, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

sheesh, all that typing, and there's a beep beep.

Posted by: daggar | October 17, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

More than not drafting OL early in 2008 im blaming vinny for trading a 4th in 2008 for duckett which the broncos used to draft ryan harris, a very lean athletic RT from Notre Dame. i also blame vinny for trading a 2nd rd pick for a one yr rental of jason taylor we coulda had loadholt. if he didn't make those two handj*b trades both for players that didn't make an impact and lasted a year we might have been okay.

Posted by: drewkinnear | October 17, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

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