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Rinehart may get another start at guard

It appears that Chad Rinehart might be back in as the starting right guard and Will Montgomery out, a league source said.

We'll ask Coach Jim Zorn about this after practice, but even if Rinehart returns to the starting lineup, it might not make much difference. The unit has been in disarray since Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels and starting right guard Randy Thomas went down with season-ending injuries, and Rinehart, a third-round pick in the 2008 draft, already failed in his first opportunity to inspire confidence.

By Jason Reid  |  November 12, 2009; 1:42 PM ET
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First to say Rhino is just another black mark against Vinny....

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | November 12, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Rinehart, a third-round pick in the 2008 draft, already failed in his first opportunity to inspire confidence.

I could be wrong, but didn't CR hurt his shoulder during his 2nd start?? nevermind...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

This is a positive step. The season is lost, find out if he can learn and play for the remainder of the season. The team is 4-12 in their past 16 games, how much worse can it get?

Step 1. Play all the youngsters and see what you have.

Step 2. Realize you have less than you thought.

Step 3. Fire Vinny

Step 4. Hire a true FO

Step 5. Move the owner out of the building

Step 6. Suffer through the next couple of seasons while the team is completely rebuilt.

Posted by: bigdaddymark | November 12, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Please end this season asap! My redskins addiction is becomming fatal.

Posted by: kmag1 | November 12, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The kid just can't play in this league.

Posted by: seriesoftubescleaner | November 12, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

A friend told me he was rolling his FF league by picking whatever defense is playing DC each week.

Posted by: Realness1 | November 12, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Greg, not quite sure why your willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Reinhart.

I could be wrong as well, but shouldn't a 3rd round pick pretty much be a starter by now?

Clearly, they have ignored reloading the line. But to think a 3rd round pick (if he was even worth that slot) has a hard enough time beating out guys off the street, even guys on this roster is ufb....don't you think?

Posted by: ksquare | November 12, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

So whats the deal? Injury based move? Performance based? Redskins park inner circle politics? All of the above?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 12, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"...not ready to call him a bust, after they gave him a whopping 2 starts, combined with the current make up of the coaching staff..."


When a team is not willing to give a guy the chance to play himself into form, who knows how good he is?

Some dude named Favre flamed out in ATL and blossomed years later in Green Bay.

Plus: when you're 2-6, it's hard to say you can't be patient with younger players.

Rhinehart, Marko Mitchell, Chris Wilson, and Anthony Monetgomery could all have the same beef: "How do you know what I can do until I get the chance to grow into an NFL player?"

Grooming a guy you drafted isn't a bad thing.

For good teams, it's the only thing.

A guy like Reggie Wayne spent a lot of time just running deep while M Harrison was in his prime.

Now, Wayne is in his prime and Harrison replaced and Pierre Garcon just runs deep to find his game.

And think about it: is Chad Rhinehart so bad that Mike Williams is better at guard or tackle?

It seems like we'll never know.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, they have ignored reloading the line. But to think a 3rd round pick (if he was even worth that slot) has a hard enough time beating out guys off the street, even guys on this roster is ufb....don't you think?

Posted by: ksquare | November 12, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

O clearly if this staff doesn't start you then that means you are a bust. I mean there is no one more capable of retunring punts and kicks better than cartright and ARE. Seriously though, I didn't think Rhino was that bad. Believe it or not I thought he was better than Will "I'm blocking on air" Montgomery.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 12, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Our O line is in disarray? Samuels AND Randy Thomas are out??? When did this happen???.....

Posted by: gixxer998 | November 12, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

What he did was totally uncalled for. I think he is lucky to not get suspended for a game. In soccer, he would have likely been "red carded"!
Posted by: Dougmacintyre | November 12, 2009 1:33 PM

If it was soccer, Matt Ryan, D. Hall, Landry, and anyone else who got shoved would have been laying on the ground howling in pain and holding their legs like they had just been broken in 3 places…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 12, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

k, he's been given 2 starts, and in those 2 starts, he wasn't terrible, and wasn't great either. he then hurt his shoulder, and VC wanted to get MW in there, to pimp his 'reclaimation project'...lets give him the rest of the year, which is what, 8 more starts, and then after that, lets look back on what he did, how he played, etc.

To think that this current coaching staff has the necessary intelligence to put him in a position to play, and play well, is a stretch....don't you think??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

meant to include, who on this coaching staff inspires confidence that they know a good football player, from something otherwise?? Its non existant....there is neither rhyme, nor reason for what they do...they just do...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Chad Rinehart might be back in as the starting right guard and Will Montgomery out, a league source said.

By Jason Reid |

Jason Reid's making a living off of breaking my insider information. That is, when he's not making a living giving us 20-20 hindsights of the Redksins past trades. "Now, you take the Champ Bailey trade...."

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

So what are some of the worst most discouraging position battles in your Skins memory?


Rhino vs. W.Montgomery - RG

Heyer vs. BMW - RT

Wuerffel vs. Matthews vs. Ramsey - QB

Holdman vs. Arrington - OLB

Brooks vs. Frost - P


Posted by: p1funk | November 12, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

stop living in the past Reid!

oh wait

Posted by: smutsboy | November 12, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

This is how Championship teams are made...

You play the least worst player available.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 12, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Weird...it's almost like most of JReid's post got cut off. It seems to be missing this never before seen information:


"It's an offensive line that one longtime NFL executive on another team recently described as one of the worst in the league.

In an internal offseason evaluation of the roster, the Redskins determined the offensive line was the team's weakest unit because of age and injury concerns and was responsible, in large part, for the 2-6 second-half collapse of 2008. Washington brought back guard Derrick Dockery to replace left guard Pete Kendall and made a push to sign Seattle Seahawks tackle Ray Willis.

More, however, needed to be done for a team with playoff aspirations, especially considering that left tackle Chris Samuels and right guard Randy Thomas were coming off multiple surgeries. Many in the organization expected Samuels and Thomas to miss some, if not all, of the season.

Thomas's season ended in Week 2 because of triceps injury and Samuels suffered a severe neck injury in Week 5."

Posted by: 4-12 | November 12, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

To think that this current coaching staff has the necessary intelligence to put him in a position to play, and play well, is a stretch....don't you think??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

G, thanks for mentioning that. If Buges wasn't on the job, I could understand. But I think Buges knows what's what.

However, I agree with you. Probably a good idea to let this thing play out. After all, who else is there?

Hope he does show something. It'd be nice to know there is at least one potential building block on the line for next year.

Posted by: ksquare | November 12, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

For those wondering why the Skins arent bringing in some seasoned vets for a shot on the OL... One of them has political aspirations... and apparently are not available for tryouts


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4647151

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 12, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Rhino is in. Well, Bean, I guess you got your wish. I hope he doesn't embarass himself or the te... or himself on Sunday.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 12, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The new coaching staff will need some game tape of Rhino to make their evaluations on him. So it's a good thing that Rhino is in the starting lineup. We know that Will Montgomery can do at that position.

Posted by: TWISI | November 12, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I didn't think Chad played all that awful for just two starts. After watching week in and week out Heyer get blown the f up and not pulled. I don't trust this coaching staff of knowing if the kid can play or not.

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Rinehart, a third-round pick in the 2008 draft, already failed in his first opportunity to inspire confidence.

I could be wrong, but didn't CR hurt his shoulder during his 2nd start?? nevermind...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse


See what happened was that after Thomas went down, Rhino and Monty competed for RG spot and Rhino won.

When Rhino played, he apparently injured his shoulder a bit.

So of course in the next game, Mike Williams got the start at RG, even though he apparently wasn't in the initial RG mix.

When Samuels got injured, and Mike Williams moved to RT, Montgomery got the spot at RG, even though by that point Rhino said he was healthy enough to play.

And so obviously this week Rhino gets the start.

I don't see what isn't clear about that sequence of events.

Posted by: p1funk | November 12, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Weird...it's almost like most of JReid's post got cut off. It seems to be missing this never before seen information:


"It's an offensive line that one longtime NFL executive on another team recently described as one of the worst in the league.

In an internal offseason evaluation of the roster, the Redskins determined the offensive line was the team's weakest unit because of age and injury concerns and was responsible, in large part, for the 2-6 second-half collapse of 2008. Washington brought back guard Derrick Dockery to replace left guard Pete Kendall and made a push to sign Seattle Seahawks tackle Ray Willis.

More, however, needed to be done for a team with playoff aspirations, especially considering that left tackle Chris Samuels and right guard Randy Thomas were coming off multiple surgeries. Many in the organization expected Samuels and Thomas to miss some, if not all, of the season.

Thomas's season ended in Week 2 because of triceps injury and Samuels suffered a severe neck injury in Week 5."


Posted by: 4-12 | November 12, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse


Shouldn't that be at the end of every post J Reid puts up?

Posted by: rich20ssu | November 12, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

This guy can be held up a Exhibit 1 for how much Vinny knows about personnel. He can't drive block. He can't pass block. He can't play special teams. He is being paid third round money to not play for two years. Great Work Vinny.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | November 12, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

In the words of the "Great Forrest Gump"...."stupid is what stupid does"....it's Zorn's fault, the skins refuse to play some rookies on a regular basis in their first year. They wait until their 2nd year to give them a shot and wonder why they are struggling. Most teams will play their rookies and reap the benefits during their 2nd year. But not the stupid a$$ skins.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 12, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I could be wrong as well, but shouldn't a 3rd round pick pretty much be a starter by now?

Posted by: ksquare | November 12, 2009 1:55 PM

How many third rounders from that draft are now starters?

Posted by: League-Source | November 12, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

p1, haha, thanks for clearing that up for me....its crystal meth clear to me now....

k, did you watch bugel stick by Jansen for maybe 2 years too long at RT?? Buges is who he is at this point, he, along with the rest of the coach's need to go. Put him up in the Ring of Honor for his service, put the rest of them into a dumpster...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

But, this coaching staff is WAY too conservative about determining when a guy is "ready."

In fact, I'm not sure how they decide a player is "ready." Maybe that's when Vinnie sends word down that Marko Mitchell is "ready" now, or that Malcolm Kelly is no longer "ready," but Devin Thomas is looking pretty "ready."

Hard to say.

Betts looked surprisingly "ready" last week.

I think the fans are about "ready" for a real GM to COMPLETELY take the reins from Snyderatto.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 12, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

So, who will be active on game day? Batiste has to be active because he is the only backup who has had *snicker* any experience at tackle. Montgomery will have to be active because he's the only backup who has had *snicker* any experience at center, unless of course, they put Edwin Williams in, who has no experience at guard...

This might sound crazy and totally off the wall, but how about cutting Wynn and activating Clint Oldenburg, a backup tackle on the developmental roster whose resume includes some play at tight end? They could use him as a sixth offensive lineman / jumbo tight end and also have a backup offensive tackle active for Sunday.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 12, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"...shouldn't a 3rd round pick pretty much be a starter by now?"

Good question. I took a look at the other OL drafted in the 3rd round that year -- there are two, John Greco and Oniel Cousins -- and there's a total of 1 start between them, in 2008. So the answer would be, apparently not.

"But to think a 3rd round pick (if he was even worth that slot) has a hard enough time beating out guys off the street, even guys on this roster is ufb....don't you think? Posted by: ksquar"

Free agent OL do pretty well in this league, and frequently beat out draft choices -- even high ones.

So I guess my answer would have to be, for that year at least, 3rd round O-linemen haven't emerged as starters -- at least not yet.

Good question. Let's take a look.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 12, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Teach him how to long-snap. Ethan Albright won't be here forever.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | November 12, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

so now our beloved Joe bugel cannot teach/coach up his linemen.

u can look at it two ways: the coaches cannot coach/teach, or they are picking inferior talent. Either way the Redskins have developed zero players while they have been here.

In pro football you are not picking players on potential like in the NBA. You have to prove you have something to stay at this level. Yes, the player should get better, but there's no true apprenticeship in the NFL. The only position where you are clearly allowed to apprentice is QB and look how much that has changed in the past 10-years.

Posted by: oknow1 | November 12, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

rinehart is another "white mark" against cerrato..here is a change that should have been made 2yrs ago, rabach, every week it is another bad penalty or 2 gets manhandled at the line of scrimmage and is slow as black strap molasses pull him off the o-line now and take a look at the rookie williams there is nothing to lose.

Posted by: wathu19 | November 12, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

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