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Rinehart, Montgomery to Compete for Line Spot

Apparently, Coach Jim Zorn needs to see more from Chad Rinehart.

Although many in the organization expected Rinehart to be named the starter to replace injured right guard Randy Thomas, Rinehart will compete this week with guard-center Will Montgomery, Rinehart said before practice today at Redskins Park.

Running back Clinton Portis is about to speak, so I have to run.

We'll have more on this in a little bit.

By Jason Reid  |  September 23, 2009; 12:17 PM ET
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Comments

Yippee. They both stink.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 23, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Ryp,

How do you know this which team do you coach O-Line for.

Montgomery played well last game and CR has not had a chance yet.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Man you said it Rypien11.

Posted by: Publius11 | September 23, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

BTW, on another subject, if Snyder, as seems likely, loses the "Redskins" trademark, what will happen?

1) Will he keep the name? Without trademark protection, he does not have exclusive rights to merchandise.

2) What will he call the team if he changes the name?

I kinda liked the "Who-Ers" suggestion earlier. Washington Who-Ers, gotta nice ring to it.

Washington Partisans?

** I think Rhino plays **

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Once again:

Detroit 17
Washington 13

Sigh.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 23, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Rich_Campbell:Portis on people being on the hot seat: "the owner, He's on the verge of losing fans. How long before people just give up and stop coming?"

Not a good sign.

Posted by: will_ga | September 23, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

lets hope the best man wins, regardless of who wins the spot I willing to bet we are in store for alot of what we witnessed last week, run left, run left, run left. I would love to see Zorn say screw it and turn Campbell and the o line loose. I don't see how it hurts his chances with his players, the media, and the fans

Posted by: redskin8128 | September 23, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

dpc,

How do you get seesm likely, they have been going after the trademark for years it's not going anywhere.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Once again,

Washington Who-Ers 24
Detroit 7

Who-Ers D is much better than NEO or MIN.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse


Fandom is all up in the JZ and the O's a$$ because that is the part of the team that is FAILING to consistently perform like professionals. They don't have any margin for error, particularly of the numb skulled mental variety.

Its one thing to get physically beaten on a play, and it will happen on occasion. The other team has players, too.

But to continually fail to make simple professional plays like "catch the football" or "remember the snap count" or "use the correct blocking scheme" or "don't run out of bounds when the ticking clock is your friend" or "don't try an obvious trick that will fool no one especially if your line can't sell the play" is unsatisfactory and I really don't think its too much to expect the team to be able to consistently achieve these baseline performance levels.

As I said before, booing is the only option if you bleed Burgundy and Gold since childhood and you see a team that is on the cusp of putting it all together but is infuriatingly failing the simple things. Storming the field to get in somebody's grill will only get you arrested, LOL.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 23, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Blaming Zorn for the Sellers drop is a stretch. The play call worked. The player dropped it. Seller has caught TD's in the past. He is a pro and should have caught the ball. There are plenty of other play calls to criticize. The pass to Sellers isn't one of them.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz

Yes, Sellers dropped it. Sellers isn't a guy who catches many passes on the run. Betts is the guy you want on that pattern.

To succeed, use your players in ways that allow them to do what they do best. Sellers blocks, Betts catches.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis (the locker room is open now), via @Rich_Campbell:

Portis on people being on the hot seat: "the owner, He's on the verge of losing fans. How long before people just give up and stop coming?"

Posted by: CindyBoren | September 23, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Flounder -

Seriously? Why do you think it is that CR hasn't played a down yet, even last season when we were shredded by injuries? And now, when it seems he would be the clear choice, he's not. Its because hes shown nothing to the coaches that would indicate hes ready. If he was GOOD, he'd get the nod immediately.

As for Monty, hes a 7th round pick who didn't play in more than 6 games either of his first two years. Now he's going to be our starting pulling guard? And I certainly don't think he did anything special last week, and even so, that was against the Rams. How do you think either of them are gonna hold up against NFC east teams?

I'm not against being optomistic, but come on man, you have to be realistic here. Our line is not good and its going to kill us again.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 23, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis (the locker room is open now), via @Rich_Campbell:

Portis on people being on the hot seat: "the owner, He's on the verge of losing fans. How long before people just give up and stop coming?"

Posted by: CindyBoren | September 23, 2009 12:30 PM |

In what context did he say this?

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Yippee. They both stink.

Posted by: Rypien11

?? This is a good thing. Would you rather CR be handed the job because that is what was suppose to happen?

On another note, I think MM can fill in just fine for Betts. So is there anyway we can trade betts for a 7th rounder, seems to be the only round Vinny is good at.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

so I have to run.

By Jason Reid | September 23, 2009; 12:17 PM ET


When's the last time you actually did that?

just kidding, I just want to state that I have nothing against fat people, i love fat people, I have fat friends, I had a fat person at my house the other day.


Im bored

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 23, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Rich_Campbell:Portis on people being on the hot seat: "the owner, He's on the verge of losing fans. How long before people just give up and stop coming?"

Not a good sign.

Posted by: will_ga | September 23, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse


Someone needs to tell Portis that fans have decided to give up and stop coming for years.

Posted by: p1funk | September 23, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

My guess...

Reporter: Do you feel like anybody is on the hotseat?

CP: "(Quote from above)"

Translation: The entire organization is in crisis and on the hot seat and we players and coaches all need to start playing and coaching like professionals.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 23, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

To succeed, use your players in ways that allow them to do what they do best. Sellers blocks, Betts catches.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Mike Sellers has 16 receiving TD's over his career. Ladell Betts has 3. Bon appetit.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 23, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

skinsfan,

I agree with you, I think that's what he was saying.

People will never stop going to see the Skins, they'll b_tch about it all week but they will still go.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Ryp,

Lets see how they play. The O-Line has been fine the first two games, they have a few more games against week defenses. this should give them time to gel and if not they have time to bring a vet in.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Mike Sellers has 16 receiving TD's over his career. Ladell Betts has 3. Bon appetit.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 23, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse


I'm with you on Betts but I'm going to guess that not many of Sellers' 16 career TD catches came on seam routes.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 23, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Seller v Betts receiving:

Criminey, Sellers is a PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL PLAYER who plays a SKILL POSITION. One of those REQUIRED skills for his position is CATCHING the football.

He blatantly DROPPED a thrown football that hit him squarely and directly in BOTH hands.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 23, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The trick play (Portis Pass) might have worked if it was to Fred Davis. The Randle El pass might have worked to Kelly Thomas or Mitchell, there are three players every team comes in to stop against the Redskins. Moss, Cooley & Portis. Trick plays don't work to those dudes.

Its not simply that Zorn doesn't trust Campbell, he doesn't trust the good bulk of his players in general. A coach who can't trust is his players is by default a bad coach ... he is tacitly admitting he can't do his job i.e. coach his players.

Posted by: hakimallen | September 23, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Appeal of the lower court decision to the Supreme Court.

The defense of the trademark is resting on something called "laches". The basic argument is that the Redskins have a lot of money invested in the trademark, so they should be able to keep it. Even if the trademark is offensive.

In fact the recent opinions have ignored the merits of the claim (i.e. that the trademark disparages certain groups of people) and focused on issue of laches.

The plaintiffs need a justice to swing on this one. Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas are no friend to individuals, and are likely to uphold the rights of a corporation against a citizen 100 times out of 100.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Dan. Why don't you get rid of Vinny,Jim and Jason? Go out and get a good GM,a good coach and a good quarterback? They are out there. Take the next 4 weeks to jnstall a new system,that works. Lets say we go 2 and 2. Then we are at 3and 3 annd we make a run at 10 and 6, and make the playoffs.I know you will never read this,but we can always hope. I've a skins fan for 50 years and Washington deserves better. Someone please show this to Dan.

Posted by: chulaivet65 | September 23, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Someone in the press needs to ask Vinny how every draft choice cant play in the NFL. Chad Rinehart was drafted last year in the third round. LAST YEAR. We need a general manager. You dont draft projects in the second and third round. This guy played at Northern Iowa. No wonder he cant play. DUMP VINNY CERRATO. You can't play offense with no offensive line. Look at last years draft at how many good players were drafted behind Rinehart. Stop wasting draft choices.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | September 23, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

dpc,

So you just proved my point.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Someone in the press needs to ask Vinny how every draft choice cant play in the NFL. Chad Rinehart was drafted last year in the third round. LAST YEAR. We need a general manager. You dont draft projects in the second and third round. This guy played at Northern Iowa. No wonder he cant play. DUMP VINNY CERRATO. You can't play offense with no offensive line. Look at last years draft at how many good players were drafted behind Rinehart. Stop wasting draft choices.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | September 23, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"the owner, He's on the verge of losing fans. How long before people just give up and stop coming?"

Not a good sign.

Foreshadowing the coming justification for making a change. CP's got Danny's back & trying to help make the potential chaos seem understandable?

Posted by: will_ga | September 23, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Once again,

Washington Who-Ers 24
Detroit 7

Who-Ers D is much better than NEO or MIN.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Then New Orleans for sure, but MN? Last year they allowed 6 more yards per game, and 2 more points a game then we did while forcing 18 more fumbles, recovering 8 more than us and sacking the QB 21 more times than we did and they were #1 against the rush. So to say we have a better D then them is a stretch, we are comparable but I wouldn't say better.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 23, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Mike Sellers has 16 receiving TD's over his career. Ladell Betts has 3. Bon appetit.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz

Sellers catches few passes on the run. Betts catches lots passes on the run.

Betts has caught double digit passes in every season. Sellers averages less than 10 catches a year.

Betts is the better receiver. You know it and I know it. If that throw goes to Betts, its a TD.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

The plaintiffs need a justice to swing on this one. Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas are no friend to individuals, and are likely to uphold the rights of a corporation against a citizen 100 times out of 100.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 12:47 PM


Corporations are groups of citizens, are they not?

Posted by: freakzilla | September 23, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

ZJ:

Who did MN play last year? Who did the Redskins play?

Since playing DET last year, the Skins have added Hall, Haynesworth, and Orakpo while losing Springs. Rocky is playing MUCH better this year than last.

Overall, I think the D is much improved. Consider that the GiAnts dropped 33 on the Cowpokes, yet struggled against the Redskins scoring 1 offensive TD.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Sellers does one thing really well. Block. he had about 100 total yards last year and went to the Pro Bowl, because he is a terrific blocking back.

Should he have caught that ball? Yes. But is sending Sellers out on that pattern giving you the best chance to succeed? No. Sending Betts on that pattern gives you a much better chance to succeed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Either Rinehart or Montgomery will be an upgrade over Kendall or Jansen last year. Those guys were spent, and while neither of the former are ready to make the pro bowl anytime soon, they should at least provide some youth, speed and strength.

As for the end zone woes, Zorn should bust out Marko Mitchell, who lived in it during the preseason. Go large with Kelly, Mitchell, Thomas at WR, Davis or Cooley at halfback, with the other at TE and Betts out of the backfield and one will surely be open for the TD pass.


Posted by: SammyT1 | September 23, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Freak, according to some, and probably a majority of the supreme court, corporations are people.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Detroit has given up 72 points and we have given up 30 and 7 of that was to the Giants D

So
Skins- 36
Lions- 12.5

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 23, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Blaming Zorn for the Sellers drop is a stretch. The play call worked. The player dropped it. Seller has caught TD's in the past. He is a pro and should have caught the ball. There are plenty of other play calls to criticize. The pass to Sellers isn't one of them.

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Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 23, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

You are correct about Sellers and I actually liked that play call. Sellers can catch and the thing is he's a fullback. They never cover him. If we try that with Betts they know Betts catches passes. Betts would have been covered. I blame Zorn for only 4 pass attempts when our passing game couldn't be stopped and for putting our tallest receivers on the bench when we are in the red zone. That's what I blame him for. The TEs and short receivers need room to work. They simply don't have enough room to work from on the 10 yard line. Without a tall receiver the defense knows we are going underneath and in the middle of the end zone. This allows them to stack up on the line. Stacking up on the line also allows them to shut down our running game. With the tall guys out there they don't know where we are going. They are forced to spread out. I'd put MM and MK out there and Cooley/Moss. Then try running or tossing a fade route. The defense has to cover the sidelines and the back of the end zone. This will open some space in the middle. There should be something open since you are using the whole field.

There are 3 options down there.

1. Spread out the defense.
2. Knock the defense over through brute force.
3. Create misdirection.

We tried #2 10 times in a row and it didn't work. It's basic strategy. This is why Zorn is predictable.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Betts is the better receiver. You know it and I know it. If that throw goes to Betts, its a TD.
Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 12:50 P

BUT, you know it, I know it & the Rams knew it. Is it possible that Betts gets covered more closely than Sellers & never gets the opportunity to catch the pass. In Zorn's head, I truly believe he felt Sellers would be more likely to be open than Betts. Which is the core of his problem. He has more faith in his outsmarting the defense than in the players executing & making plays.

Posted by: will_ga | September 23, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The defense is a bit off this year. Landry and Hall are really struggling. Hall looks like the guy that played in Oakland. Landry looks lost.

We've gotten better at creating turnovers and added pressure up front. But teams have moved the ball too well. Our defense led the league in 3 and outs last year, we didn't get one until the 4th quarter of game 2.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Prediction: Skins 15, Lions 9-OT

On a Portis to Cooley 9 yd TD Pass, with 6:53 left in OT
[I'll be on about my 3rd hit from the defibrillator paddles after Suisham misses a 46 yarder to send us to OT].

Scoring Breakdown;

Q1 Det 0-Skins 0
Q2 Det 3-Skins 6 [DET 28 yd FG], [WAS FGs 35 yd, 22 yd]

Q3 Det 9-Skins 9 [DET misses PAT], [WAS Suisham 51 yd FG]
Q4 Det 9-Skins 9 [WAS Suisham misses 46 yd FGA]

OT Det 9-Skins 15 [WAS 9yd TD pass from Portis to Cooley]

Wow, the bitterness is washing up over me...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | September 23, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to tell Portis that fans have decided to give up and stop coming for years.

Posted by: p1funk

Except Steeler fans, they love coming to FedEx

Posted by: Moose33 | September 23, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

?? This is a good thing. Would you rather CR be handed the job because that is what was suppose to happen?

On another note, I think MM can fill in just fine for Betts. So is there anyway we can trade betts for a 7th rounder, seems to be the only round Vinny is good at.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

No, it isn't a good thing. It means that after 4 weeks of the preseason and 2 weeks of the regular season, no one has stepped up and taken control of the backup guard slot. And it's my understanding that Morocco Brown is in charge of the later selections, not VC, so he isn't even good at that.

Posted by: rbpalmer | September 23, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Betts is the better receiver. You know it and I know it. If that throw goes to Betts, its a TD.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Based on Ladell Betts' 7 year pro history, I have no idea how you can draw that conclusion. The guy does not catch many TD passes, no matter the coach or play caller. I'm not a stat geek, but stats don't lie here. My own opinion is that Sellers catches more TD's because he's a stealth receiver and has been successful in fooling defenses near the goal line. Regardless, history has shown he's more of a TD threat as a receiver than Betts. In 2005 alone, he had 7 TD catches under Joe Gibbs. That's more than double Betts' CAREER total.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 23, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to tell Portis that fans have decided to give up and stop coming for years.

Posted by: p1funk | September 23, 2009 12:37 PM

Yeah, that's why they never sell out the stadium anymore and all the home games are blacked out.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 23, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

ZJ:

Who did MN play last year? Who did the Redskins play?

Since playing DET last year, the Skins have added Hall, Haynesworth, and Orakpo while losing Springs. Rocky is playing MUCH better this year than last.

Overall, I think the D is much improved. Consider that the GiAnts dropped 33 on the Cowpokes, yet struggled against the Redskins scoring 1 offensive TD.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Lets see MN played:
Indy #15
GB twice #8
Carolina #10
NO #1
Houston #3
NYG #7
ATL #6
ARI #4
TB #14
All of those were prolific offenses the overall offense ratings for the season. We played some good offenses as well but you can't say they played nobody. And for what its worth 2 games into the season they are #5 we are #10 in overall defense. Certainly the Giants are better than anybody they've played so I don't put stock into any of the rankings yet, its too early but don't be naive and think that we had/have an obviously better defense than Minny.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 23, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I think the national media is actually saving the Redskins by predicting (or at least strongly hinting) that the Lions will get their first win this week.

The Redskins should come out angry, which is usually good for them. It's weird, but if they had blown out the Rams, I'd be more worried about Detroit.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 23, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

As for the end zone woes, Zorn should bust out Marko Mitchell, who lived in it during the preseason. Go large with Kelly, Mitchell, Thomas at WR, Davis or Cooley at halfback, with the other at TE and Betts out of the backfield and one will surely be open for the TD pass.


Posted by: SammyT1

How much space do you think is available when it's 1st and Goal from the 5. Sure you need a couple options but sending 6 out is ignoring the fact that the field is so small that you can't find room for all of them plus that only leaves the 5 in for blocking.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Someone should ask CP what he thinks of Rinehart being in there. Just curious how he would respond.

Posted by: bostskin | September 23, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Rhinehart was a compensatory pick at the end of the 3rd round...compensation for the loss of Dockery. Dockery is back and Rhinehart has a shot, so lets see how he does in a real game. Many 100th picks in the draft do not make it. I predict that Edwin Williams is the starter by week 5

Posted by: LIsound20 | September 23, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The defense is a bit off this year. Landry and Hall are really struggling. Hall looks like the guy that played in Oakland. Landry looks lost.

We've gotten better at creating turnovers and added pressure up front. But teams have moved the ball too well. Our defense led the league in 3 and outs last year, we didn't get one until the 4th quarter of game 2.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but its hard to argue with 23 points allowed through two games (11.5 average).

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 23, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

we had some near misses with turnovers, we haven't needed them yet. Hopefully this means we get them when it really counts

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 23, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

From Adam Schein -- fwiw, I agreed with Zorn's decision to go for it on 4th down at the 2. It was too many other decisions I disagreed with ....

*********

Zorn is totally lost and overmatched in Washington. And if you don't believe me, ask the fans who showered Zorn and the 'Skins with boos after a win. Four Washington drives came to a thud inside the 10. On one drive led by quarterback Jason Campbell, Zorn opted to run on first and second down and then throw with running back Clinton Portis on third down! It was sheer insanity.

And the end of the game, up 9-7. Zorn opted to go for it on a fourth down deep in St. Louis territory instead of putting three on the scoreboard to force the Rams to need a touchdown to win instead of a field goal. The Skins couldn't convert and turned it over on downs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I want to see if Rhino really has what it takes. He started in place of RThomas all preseason and never looked bad. I am all for open competition, but if he loses out to Montgomery then it pretty much discredits everything they were saying about Rhino all preseason. Which seems to be getting more and more the norm around here (anything positive they said all preseason was just a bunch of bs)……I am hoping that Rhino is an actual upgrade to Kelly Johnson’s wing bowl champion boyfriend…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 23, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: dcsween | September 23, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

1st time posting. Can't stand all the negativity in so-called diehard Redskins Fans. You all blame three or 4 people for all the failures: JC CP JZ or Vinny. What about the Rock, Sellars, Montgomery, and others. Give Zorn at least 2 full years. Experts say it takes 3years. Don't blame him for previous mistakes. He understands that Rock is a great Redskin. But he is not getting it done on kickoffs. Hence: give Aldridge one more shot. Thomas gets hurt. Don't just give it to someone. Hence: Rhino and Montgomery will compete this week. He has stopped giving free passes and started creating competition to increase the level of play. (Something JGibbs should have done in his second stint.) If Devin dropps one or two more passes, look for Marko to get time. Sellars drops another pass, he will not get anymore thrown his way. He is slowly weeding out players who can't get it done during crunch time. As for JC, up until this year he gets about 2 seconds to pass. What happened to Brady against the Jets when he had 2 seconds and not his usuall 4???

Posted by: kvinnc | September 23, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Sellers does one thing really well. Block. he had about 100 total yards last year and went to the Pro Bowl, because he is a terrific blocking back.

Should he have caught that ball? Yes. But is sending Sellers out on that pattern giving you the best chance to succeed? No. Sending Betts on that pattern gives you a much better chance to succeed.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Don't make this point your Waterloo, or you lose credibility when you try to make a legitimate argument. Four different pro coaches -- Norv Turner, Butch Davis, Joe Gibbs and Jim Zorn -- considered Mike Sellers a viable TD threat as a receiver during his career. Betts has "succeeded" in scoring a receiving TD only 3 times in 7 seasons and has never had more than one receiving TD in that entire period. Perhaps you believe you are a better pro coach than those 4 guys (Are you a pro coach?), but I tend to give more weight to their judgments than yours.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 23, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

As for the end zone woes, Zorn should bust out Marko Mitchell, who lived in it during the preseason. Go large with Kelly, Mitchell, Thomas at WR, Davis or Cooley at halfback, with the other at TE and Betts out of the backfield and one will surely be open for the TD pass.


Posted by: SammyT1

"How much space do you think is available when it's 1st and Goal from the 5. Sure you need a couple options but sending 6 out is ignoring the fact that the field is so small that you can't find room for all of them plus that only leaves the 5 in for blocking."

Haha! Got me on that one. Well, not everyone would be 'going out' for the ball. Under the SammyT scenario, I envision two of either Davis (halfback), Cooley (TE) and Betts (RB) blocking, with the other of the three going out for the pass. One of the receivers could line up in the slot and possibly be used to block, should a blitz look imminent. That leaves 4 plus-size targets, six blockers, or 3 plus-size targets and seven blockers. However, D's will have to account for at least six potential plus size/match-up problem targets before the ball is snapped, which would create opportunities. Moss and Randel El, love 'em, but size does matter in the red zone. The two of them, and Portis, Mason or Betts for that matter, are not made to power in or jump for the ball, which is what the red zone calls for. We also need a bruising running back for short yardage situations, have for years.

Posted by: SammyT1 | September 23, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Mike Williams should be given a look at the guard spot? I think he'd be much more effective in the interior of the line.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 23, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

If Montgomery wins the start over Rhino then that's a telling BAD sign. Montgomery is the backup center as well. If Rhino isn't good enough to play guard now, what are we going to do if Raubach gets nicked? We'll have to shuffle Montgomery there and then play the Rhino who wasn't good enough to beat out a journeyman backup center at the guard spot.

RI reports that nobody is happy with the play of Heyer and expect BMW to be playing in a few weeks - that means a poor RT is our backup to our great but injury prone LT.

BTW for all of the Orakpo lovers (he does look good) notice who's starting at RT for the Ravens? You betcha - Michael Oher who was the less sexy but probably smarter choice for us in the 1st round.

Posted by: thinker11 | September 23, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Minnesota's D is way better in creating turnovers. Also their run D has been #1 in the league for 3 straight years. 3 Pro Bowlers on the Dline, 1 at corner and a stud MLB in E.J. Henderson. Not sure I would say Skins D is way better....

Posted by: crabbypatty1 | September 23, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

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