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Rinehart, Montgomery Vie for Thomas' Spot

Second-year guard Chad Rinehart and guard-center Will Montgomery today began their battle to replace the injured Randy Thomas at right guard.

"Chad was strong," Zorn said. "I saw him battling in there and I saw Will battling in there as well."

Rinehart began practice with the first-team and Montgomery replaced him during the session. "We just started it out that way," Zorn said. "I would say, in this case, he has to really show that he can step up. And Will Montgomery has to show the same thing. ... It's going to be one of those two guys."

By Jason Reid  |  September 23, 2009; 6:05 PM ET
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I like Zorn Flakes.

Posted by: RITCA | September 23, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we have a competition at head coach? Let's let Zorn coach the 1st half of practice and Mike Shanahan coach the 2nd half. Whoever is best gets the job this week.

Note to Zorn: Why don't you just chart the New Orleans Saints and use their plays? They seem to be working. We might even score a touchdown. Wow!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | September 23, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"Chad was strong," Zorn said. "I saw him battling in there and I saw Will battling in there as well."


What, were they arm-wrestling or something?

Posted by: Alan4 | September 23, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Note to Zorn: Why don't you just chart the New Orleans Saints and use their plays? They seem to be working. We might even score a touchdown. Wow!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | September 23, 2009 6:21 PM

You can chart every other team besides the Rams. All of them scored more points then the Skins. Yes, even Detroit, KC, Oakland, Jacksonville and Cleveland(tied)!!!!

Posted by: TheJury | September 23, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

BMACAttack
If you don't like Sonny follow the Girls cuz that's where you belong

Posted by: dl51 | September 23, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I will chill with the girls all day long. SJ is a jerk, JZ is the man. In the closet hom0's would not understand.

Posted by: BMACattack | September 23, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

As Borakpo might say:

Washingtonstan has the most xcellent 2nd strung guards. All other benched guards are inferior to our most xcellent guards who are riding pine..

Only until Washingtonstan drafts again will there be equivalent strung out guards!

Posted by: ElYeah | September 23, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Every day that goes by seems to give me one more reason for having left the Zorn bandwagon.

Today its the RG competition. You've had both guys in house for 2 months and you don't know who is better?

Jeez Zorn, you get paid to know this stuff. And to make an f-ing decision and to get that guy ready for Sunday's game. You get that guy ready by giving him as many snaps as possible with the 1st team.

Which meant Zorn should have made the decision on Monday so he could be ready for practice Tuesday.

The Skins haven't looked ready for either game. Why? This RG 'evaluation' is a symptom of the larger problem.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Note to Zorn: Why don't you just chart the New Orleans Saints and use their plays? They seem to be working. We might even score a touchdown. Wow!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | September 23, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Why would you want to throw the ball to the 6-4 guy in the end zone? That would never work.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009092006/2009/REG2/saints@eagles#tab:watch


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009091307/2009/REG1/lions@saints#tab:watch

The Saints use the whole field when they are in the red zone. We only use the middle and underneath. We don't go to the sidelines or the back of the end zone. Watch the Rams stack up in the middle and underneath and watch us get stuffed. We corral ourselves into a little pile and act shocked when we can't move. we need to spread the defense out in the red zone. You have to throw that fade route or something to MK12 in the corner of the end zone. We ran left like 10 times with the defense stacked in front of us.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009092008/2009/REG2/rams@redskins#tab:watch

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I hope one of these guys steps up and brings they're A game. If nothing else their legs and bodies are younger and fresher, bless R.Thomas but you can't beat father time, sadly his time to call it a career is here.

I like A.Aldridge back on the team, this guy can flat out fly, he runs with heart and hits a hole fast, and his fifth gear is better than anybody's on offense. Let's hope and pray he has conquered the fumbleitis, if so we may finally have the change of pace back this team sorely needs and someone opposing teams will have to spend time game planning for. YES!! Go Aldridge!! (Just hold onto that ball!!)

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 23, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Rinehart, Montgomery Vie for Thomas' Spot

is an acronym for

Frothy misrepresentation. Vroom! Got ham?

Posted by: freakzilla | September 23, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

So you get rid of Zorn, then what? Another two years of "poor JC, there is Snyder changing coaches on him, new system, blah, blah, ...". Give me a break. Get rid of JC and then lets see if the coach is as bad as the QB making look. JC has had ample time to show something other than excuses.

Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

that is: ... as the QB makes him ...

Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Rinehart, Montgomery Vie for Thomas' Spot

is an acronym for

Frothy misrepresentation. Vroom! Got ham?

Posted by: freakzilla | September 23, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

You mean "anagram"?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 23, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Boy eberyone needs to lihjten up around here. I guess I need to reinstate Scamp's daily Newsradio clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH5rFclFojA&feature=related

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 23, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

You have to throw that fade route or something to MK12 in the corner of the end zone. We ran left like 10 times with the defense stacked in front of us.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

I hate fade routes. But I hate RB options from the 5 yard line even more.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

You mean "anagram"?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 23, 2009 7:36 PM


Why, yes I do. Thank you.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 23, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Screw Fade patterns....how about a curl or a slant. Spread em out 4 WR and Shotgun and let Campbell gun 1 in there for a TD. Someone is bound to be open. Watch film of Indy, New Orleans and other teams with high success rates in the Red Zone. Its a copy cat league so copy already.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 23, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

cL, yes on curling, going to learn how to curl in two weeks at the Evergreen Curling Club with some of my buddies from work. We may not be able to drink while we're on the ice, but we plan to drink before and after.

And I'll be available should the Olympic team need an extra hand in Vancouver. Just sayin'

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 23, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Why not let them compete? training camp was over a month ago to be fair to both let them "fight" it out and may the best man win and i'm sure Buges will have plenty of input.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 23, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

with all the heartburn this week, I still loved watching that FG go thru the uprights that pulled the plug on Jerruh's new stadium party.

Somewhere out there, poor Jessica Simpson was probably trying to figure out if she should be laughing or crying ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Why not let them compete? training camp was over a month ago to be fair to both let them "fight" it out and may the best man win and i'm sure Buges will have plenty of input.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 23, 2009 7:47 PM |

I'm with this guy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 23, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"Chad was strong," Zorn said. "I saw him battling in there and I saw Will battling in there as well."

What, were they arm-wrestling or something?

Posted by: Alan4
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I think it was thumb-wrestling.

Really... why doesn't he address their effectiveness rather than give generalities about effort?

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 23, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES

again brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Part 1

An ugly win is still a win. But ... the 2008 loss to the Rams came courtesy of a freak play TD for the Rams AND a Hail Mary to set up the game winning FG. From this perspective, its easy to see why many think the Skins actually played worse in this win than they did in the 2008 loss. I was tempted to cover our under-inspired defense, but that'll wait for another day. Because this past week was about the offense.

Particularly unnerving was the performance inside the Ram 10 yard line. Outside the Ram 10 yard line, the pass/run ratio was about 2:1. And the Skins moved the ball effectively on 5 of 7 possessions with that 2:1 ratio.

Inside the Ram 10, the Skins ran 12 plays (excluding the kneel downs at the end). Only 4 were passes by Campbell. The 8 plays that Campbell didn't throw resulted in a grand total of 4 yards. Apparently Jim Zorn drew them up to work, they just didn't. Still, the numbers show that Zorn trusts Campbell 2/3 of the time outside the 10 and only 1/3 of the time inside the 10.

So what happened on Campbell's 4 throws? Or stated differently, is there are reason Zorn shouldn't trust Campbell?

One throw went to Portis for 4 yards. Devin Thomas couldn't hold a catchable pass for a TD reception. Mike Sellers dropped a sure TD. The 4th throw was in the direction of Randle El, who struggled to get away from a Ram defender holding ARE's jersey with both hands -- a terrible 'no call' by the official. It very easily could have been Campbell, 3 for 3 with 2 TDs, inside the 10.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse


ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES Part 2

The real issue is who was on the field with Campbell. His top 3 WRs are Moss, Kelly and ARE. His top TE is Cooley and his top receiving back is Betts. Yet Campbell was throwing to Portis, Sellers and Thomas. Why? Why was Thomas, the #4 or #5 WR even on the field? Why was Sellers running a pass pattern where he would need to catch the ball in stride? He's played in well over 100 NFL games and Its pretty clear what he does well. Catching a pass in stride isn't one of those things.

My analysis says Zorn should trust Campbell, but perhaps the better question is this. Should Campbell trust Zorn? Was Zorn putting out his best receiving players on the pass plays he called inside the 10? Was Zorn calling plays consistent with talents of the players on the field? Was Zorn putting this team in the best position to succeed? Its just 4 plays, but the answer seems to be 'No'.

Sonny Jurgensen's flap with Zorn was about the trust between coach and QB -- and it really asked the uncomfortable -- should the player trust the coach? Zorn answered it clearly. If the player rebels, he sits.

The players Zorn put on the field inside the 10 was not the only questionable tactic Zorn employed. The option by Portis was an awful call and Zorn's attempted timeout would have rivaled some of the worst of Gibbs 2.0 clock management blunders. The blog has been filled with discussions of Zorn's errors, some meriting more criticism than others.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I like Zorn Flakes.

Posted by: RITCA
___________________

Based on the last 10 games, I gotta say my Zorn Flakes are soggy.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 23, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES Part 3

But the very worst call hasn't been discussed. It was the 2nd down sweep by Betts with just over 2 minutes to go in the game. At that point in the game, the dwindling game clock was Zorn's best friend. The play went to the short side of the field, and Betts was pushed out of bounds. It was a typical result for that play since the play is designed to gain yards along the sideline. When Betts went out of bounds with about 2:15 to go, it was the equivalent of handing the Rams an additional time out.

Had that play gone to the middle, the clock would have wound down to the 2 minute warning. The third down play would occur AFTER the 2 minute warning. The time to run 2 plays plus the 40 seconds between plays would have taken the clock down to around 1:10. But by running that short side sweep, the Rams wound up with 1:55 to try to get the winning FG instead of 1:10. It was a HUGE HUGE blunder by Jim Zorn. That difference of 45 seconds could have easily been the difference between a win and a loss. Of all the blunders, this was the one dwarfed the others. The dwindling game clock was Zorn's best friend, and he stopped it with a terrible call.

At the start of the season, many people linked the futures of Jason Campbell and Jim Zorn. These people are likely correct. But after watching the Ram game, it became more clear to me that their futures should not be linked. The problem isn't Jason Campbell. The problem is Jim Zorn.

And that is a wrap on this week's way too long ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, brought to you by the people wearing Yahoo! purple.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Name a position that is harder to learn /master in sports than a NFL quarterback?

Posted by: RedDMV

Kanye Wests' style and grace teacher

Kirstie Alleys' gym coach/dietician...

Jim Wilsons' style and grace teacher....

Joan Rivers' make-up artist...

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 23, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I know it's hard to see with all this playcalling, Sonny vs. Zorn mess...BUT

I think this team is trying to get younger and faster. They must have signed Aldrige after watching Sproles for San Diego.

Young talent:

Mason
Aldridge
Kelly
Thomas (?)
Davis
Jarmon
Orakpo
Wilson
McIntosh
Horton
Tryon (?)..at least he's on the field more than Thomas
Westbrook (special teams)

It's not all bad folks...

This teams is a blend of Gibbs' vision and Vinny's vision.

Still too early to tell on our young guys...partially cause Zorn won't put em on the fuggin field!

Posted by: rickyroge | September 23, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Name a position that is harder to learn /master in sports than a NFL quarterback?

Posted by: RedDMV

Try any ice-hockey position, or pitching in baseball, or a doubles partner on tennis, or curling, or a polo player, or point guard on Basketball, or sleeping without snoring, that is just to name a very few.

Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Name a position that is harder to learn /master in sports than a NFL quarterback?

Posted by: RedDMV

Left-handed 2B?

Posted by: js_edit | September 23, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Name a position that is harder to learn /master in sports than a NFL quarterback?

Posted by: RedDMV

keeping Sam Huff sober for an entire broadcast?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Name a position that is harder to learn /master in sports than a NFL quarterback?

Posted by: RedDMV
____________________

America's Cup skipper.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 23, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Name a position that is harder to learn /master in sports than a NFL quarterback?

Posted by: RedDMV

I asked Romo, he said catching.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 23, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Name a position that is harder to learn /master in sports than a NFL quarterback?

Posted by: RedDMV

keeping Sam Huff sober for an entire broadcast?

Posted by: zcezcest1
_____________________

Female sideline reporter fending off Joe Namath?

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 23, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Name a position that is harder to learn /master in sports than a NFL quarterback?

Posted by: RedDMV
____________________

Late night limo driver for Mayor Marion Barry?

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 23, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

"... It's going to be one of those two guys."

Wow. Quite the scoop. Some top-notch quote getting going on here.

Posted by: p1funk | September 23, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Name a position that is harder to learn /master in sports than a NFL quarterback?

Posted by: RedDMV


HUSBAND....Bar None

Posted by: rickyroge | September 23, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Chad Rinehart abolished the periodic table because he only believes in the element of surprise.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 23, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse


Thomas' injury a blessing in disguise...we drafted a Guard in the 3rd round last year...

LET HIM PLAY

Posted by: rickyroge | September 23, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain why we added a practice squad running back instead of a new offensive lineman?

Posted by: shift23284 | September 23, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain why we added a practice squad running back instead of a new offensive lineman?

Posted by: shift23284 | September 23, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Which offensive lineman would you have added?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain why we added a practice squad running back instead of a new offensive lineman?

Posted by: shift23284 | September 23, 2009 8:58 PM |

========================================

Because it's hard to un-shart the bed:

On that note (you guys will not like this) Zorn was on Larry Michael's show yesterday and was asked about the O line and he seemed happy with the veterans....said that we need to add some players as "backups" or words to that effect. Maybe I "misheard" him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 17, 2009 9:47 AM
===========================================
J.Z. probably figures that with another year of seasoning under their belts, the youngsters² on the O.L. will be ready to make it through a full year at a high level.

²RT Jon Jansen (age 33)
RG Randy Thomas (age 33)
C Casey Rabach (turns 32 two weeks later)
LG Pete Kendell (age 36)
LT Chris Samuels (age 32)
(Age as of the 1st week of play in 2009.)
~
Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 17, 2009 12:37 PM |
------------------------------------------

So we got Dockery back, and this is working out for us.

As I said back then, Dockery alone was not enough given how old and injury-prone our O.L. had become.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 23, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge

"...we drafted a Guard in the 3rd round last year...LET HIM PLAY..."

No disagreement here.

NFL players have a short shelf life.

If you draft them high, it means you have to find a way to get them on the field.

Otherwise, they are just collecting a very nice check.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 23, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"Name a position that is harder to learn/master in sports than a NFL quarterback?"

Easy.

I'd say being the sports' agent who tells a guy, "A $10 million signing bonus does mean jack considering your value. Turn your phone off and let the owners and fans whine," would be a hard position/job to master.

NOT.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 23, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Folks, this--

RT Stephon Heyer
RG Chad Rhinehart/Wil Montegomery
C Casey Rabach
LG Derrick Dockery
LT Chris Samuels

--is a line that'll need a free agent pick up (or two) and draft picks to rebuild.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 23, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Stephon Heyer sucks
Chad Rhino sucks
casey rabach is a freaking joke
derrick dockery is overrated
chris samuels is still the best olineman we have and hes been playing for a decade...

i agree with moe

this line is horrible

Posted by: BMACattack | September 23, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

KEY TO WINNING THIS SUNDAY -

Team needs to spend the rest of Thursday afternoon watching Sean Taylor highlights.
"That was playing with Heart"

Posted by: md_butler | September 23, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Name a position that is harder to learn /master in sports than a NFL quarterback?

Posted by: RedDMV
____________________

America's Cup skipper.

Posted by: chasgiffen


Come on how hard could it be? Ted Turner won an America's Cup when he was still a drunk.

Posted by: TheCork | September 23, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

the OL just got younger, and one of our talented young guys has to step up, what's the problem again? RHino was drafted in the 3rd round, as i've said before... he's supposed to contribute eventually! now's his chance, don't knock him until he's out there and proves Vinny right or wrong, Buges likes Rhino this year, why the doom and gloom? too many haters read the WaPo these days

Posted by: destewar | September 23, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to you moFo's... lmao... I ask a serious question and the RI board runs wild with it... lol.. you guys are something else.

"Try any ice-hockey position, or pitching in baseball, or a doubles partner on tennis, or curling, or a polo player, or point guard on Basketball, or sleeping without snoring, that is just to name a very few."

Posted by: hock1


When this question was asked, I should have been more specific, but I meant sports with positions players.

So that eliminates tennis, a polo player, and um, sleeping without snoring... yeah...

Point Guard: Disagree. A point guard can get by on sheer speed, a QB can't. No? Ask Vick and any other that is basically that one dimensional. A PG with speed can continuously get to the basket and draw fouls or just kick it back outside when the defense collapses on him driving to the basket.

Pitcher: Disagree. For the earlier part of their careers, and if they have one, a pitcher can just throw fastballs by you. Sure big league hitters will eventually catch up to it if you keep throwing it, but you can have a dominating fastball and average off-speed stuff and get by just fine. A QB must be able to make all the throws that's required of an NFL QB.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Over 10,000 tickets remain for this game at Ford Field. If it's not sold out by Thursday afternoon it will be blacked out locally.

If this happens (which is likely), expect Thom Brennaman and Brian Billick to be openly praising the Redskins for every little thing they do. It's the only way they'll keep an audience.

Posted by: elfreako | September 23, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

we are so f'd

Posted by: the_shocker1 | September 23, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Over 10,000 tickets remain for this game at Ford Field. If it's not sold out by Thursday afternoon it will be blacked out locally.

If this happens (which is likely), expect Thom Brennaman and Brian Billick to be openly praising the Redskins for every little thing they do. It's the only way they'll keep an audience.

Posted by: elfreako | September 23, 2009 10:37 PM

I thought about paying $70 for sideline tickets and driving the 4 hours to see the game but then I decided not to. I don't have any desire to spend time in Detroit if I don't have to. Especially something as anti climactic as this. Skins are in a no win situation here. If they lose well..., if they win "well they should have." The only redemption would be an absolute shellacking and that would only elicit a "well, it was only Detroit."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 23, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

too many haters read the WaPo these days

Posted by: destewar | September 23, 2009 10:25 PM |
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I bring up the old posts not to prove I was right (OK at least not solely for this porpoise)...but to point out to the people hating on Jason Campbell that he's still dealing with the same cards he'd been dealt the second half last year: an O.L. that isn't functioning.

We don't run on the right side because we can't run on the right side

Portis runs into Heyer not because Portis is blind, but because Heyer isn't moving (at least not towards the opponent's goal line, aka the desired direction).

People think that the Skins passing protection was good against the Giants because J.C. only took one sack? I'd say J.C. did a good job of avoiding sacks, because he certainly didn't have time in the pocket to make plays.

People complain J.C. doesn't step up in the pocket? Usually J.C. has to take a bazillion step drop at warp speed, just to get to a set position before Rabach's behind and the defender bullrushing same are in his face.

So now the haters want to bench/trade/cut J.C. and start Collins???

Children, Please!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 23, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I hope they don't try to hard to get Alridge in there. He is a totally unproven player.

Don't give the Lions any opportunity by taking any unnecessary risk.

The only thing we should be trying to prove in week 3 is that we need the win and we aren't going to underestimate anybody.

Campbell gets hurt in the 2nd quarter and leads us to victory and the big story is, waaah we didn't score any touchdowns, waaaah.

I have no problem putting the ball in Portis' hands in the red zone. He has scored more TD's than anyone else on our team. He's 3rd of active RB's and 10th of active players. He's scored more TD's than anyone in our division.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 23, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

ok. quick advise for JZ. In the redzone, spread the field, use a four receiver set, even just on first and second down,...AND THEN RUN!!! set up the defense. if it doesn't work the first time, you've set them up for play action. Geez. It's not rocket science. and for goodness sake, invlove malcolm kelly and mitchell, heavily. throughout the game. NOW! thats the only way tana will open up. ARE is puttin in work so is cooley. use ALL your weapons like the saints, colts etc.

Posted by: johnhicks1 | September 23, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Headline from Sun Sentinel:
Honeymoon over for Miami Dolphins coach Tony Sparano

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-skolnick-sparano-s092309.1sbsep23,0,7187156.column

Appartently media and fans are questioning his playcalling and game management in the Monday night lost to the Colts. I thought that only happened in Washington.

Posted by: lifelongfan | September 23, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

The NFL is undergoing some fundamental changes the last several years due to the talent at the quarterback position and defensive co-ordinators tendency to prioritize stopping the run.Big plays are the name of the game.

Posted by: mark65 | September 23, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

"I saw him battling in there and I saw Will battling in there as well."

Who cares?

They both suck. I mean the lowly Rams pushed the OL back on that final drive.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 23, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

"It very easily could have been Campbell, 3 for 3 with 2 TDs, inside the 10."

Dude that's every season, every week with the Skins.

It's called coaching, the Redskins have none.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 23, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

- Repost From Earlier -


You have to start Rinehart.

You already know what you have with Montgomery, and he'll be standing on the sidelines ready to go if Rino can't cut it.

If the long term plan is for Rino to start - and I hope that's what you'd expect from a 3rd round pick O-linemen, then declare him the starter YESTERDAY and give him a full week with the starting O.

Again, you already know what Montgomery can do, so you've got your parachute standing by. What is the big strategic dilemma here? It's Detroit! How close to pre-season game can you get?

Sorry, I don't buy this nonsense that Detroit even has a chance this week. Our D-Line crushes, they have a rookie QB and a new coach/system to learn, we control the clock and move the ball very well on O (yup). If we break through our scoring drought, it 's a blow-out, otherwise, we kick them to death. It might be ugly, but we will beat Detroit.


HTTR!

Posted by: edvar | September 23, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

What I want to see in Detroit Sunday:

Redskins make the makeable plays. Redskins call the right plays, ie no half back pass plays from 3rd and goal or end around option passes from ARE. I actually like a LOT of what they did against the Rams... now they need to clear the final hurdle and have the entire team put it all together for 60 mins.

MK12 be more involved... they have been looking for him but have hit him some, and checked down some. I like how they are involving him in the general game plan...but would Love to see him get some endzone throws from the redzone. Guessing I'm not alone.

MM in for DT11... forever. Yeah i know its hard to overcome the 7th v 2nd rd pick thing, but DT is either too stupid, too lazy, or drops the ball. His performance has been generally unsatisfactory since he arrived. Either step up NOW, or GTFO.

MK12 wide, MM wide other side, and 'Tana in the slot with Portis and Cooley on the field. Go no huddle and let JC do his thing spreading the ball around and making plays with his legs. Mix in a first down draw for good measure after the defense is on their heels. I really think this would be MONEY.

Most of all: Improvement by the whole team in playing with intelligence and discipline... Do all the little things right, and the big picture including winning the game will take care of itself.
I don't need to see us put up 25, 30, 40+ points. I do need to see us playing and coaching like professionals.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 23, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Repost:

Line up Orakpo over Jansen and ring the dinner bell.

That rook QB is gonna be running for his life.

Posted by: edvar | September 23, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Robert Henson made DRUDGEREPORT, LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 24, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Edvar, that would be great, but Orakpo would have to steam roll him in FG and XP situations...as that's the only time JJ gets on the field.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 24, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Drudge made a link to the NFL without lusting over Tom Brady??? It's the end-times!!!

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 24, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

rickyroge

"...we drafted a Guard in the 3rd round last year...LET HIM PLAY..."

+++++


Actually, we drafted a tackle in the 3rd round.

When we discovered that he can't play tackle, we started calling him a "guard" and acting like everything was OK...

Posted by: p1funk | September 24, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Stephon Heyer sucks
Chad Rhino sucks
casey rabach is a freaking joke
derrick dockery is overrated
chris samuels is still the best olineman we have and hes been playing for a decade...

i agree with moe

this line is horrible

Posted by: BMACattack | September 23, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse


HA!

Just wait till Week 5 or 6 when Chris Samuels needs to sit b/c his knee is full of fluid.

If the line is "horrible" now, what do we call it when Heyer gets moved to LT and Mike Williams is thrust into the starting lineup!

Posted by: p1funk | September 24, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

BMW is never "thrust".

Mosey is about the fastest he can go.

Hereinafter, The Cowpies current QB will be called "Picko Seiso"; or, when explaining what happened on the day's interceptions, the coach may refer to him as "the Player".

In order to boost his confidence, the truly dedicated bloggers will end their posts with a Chad Rinehart:
"Chad Rinehart sleeps with a night light. He's not afraid of the dark -- the dark is afraid of Chad Rinehart."

Posted by: daggar | September 24, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

"It very easily could have been Campbell, 3 for 3 with 2 TDs, inside the 10."

Dude that's every season, every week with the Skins.

It's called coaching, the Redskins have none.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz

I believe that was the point I was making. Coach put in the 2nd tier receivers who didn't make the makeable plays.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 24, 2009 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Do all the little things right, and the big picture including winning the game will take care of itself.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe |

This is absolutely the most useful statement ever.

I hate it when guys say "I'm here to make plays". NOOOOOOOO!!!

Guys are here to do a job on every single play. Not just when the ball is headed their way.

Guys need to block, fake and battle with enthusiasm, every play. And when the ball does come his way, here's hoping his teammates were blocking, faking and battling.

Do the little things and the big things take care of themselves.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 24, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Zeke, I can't imagine another way to run a red zone offense but to practice the plays you think will be successful with the personnel packages you think will make it work most effectively. Then you run it on gameday with the package that worked best during the week.

I'm also scratching my head over your analysis of Betts' run right before the 2:00 warning. I guarantee he was told to stay inbounds, he knew he made a mistake as he came back to the sidelines; there is every reason to put that on Betts. Run left; it's what we do, but get down before you go OB.

I do want to apologize to Stephan Heyer for one thing... the play where he never got out of his stance must've been Rabach's fault, because Samuels never moved either, and both Dockery and Montgomery were real slow off the block.

Chad Rinehart can comb Jimmy Johnson's hair.

Posted by: daggar | September 24, 2009 2:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm also scratching my head over your analysis of Betts' run right before the 2:00 warning. I guarantee he was told to stay inbounds, he knew he made a mistake as he came back to the sidelines; there is every reason to put that on Betts. Run left; it's what we do, but get down before you go OB.

Posted by: daggar

Daggar, isn't a sweep to the short side almost guaranteed to go out of bounds? The way teams gain yards on a sweep, especially to the short side, is to have the player turn the corner, near the sideline. That's the way its designed!! If Betts stayed in bounds, he would have lost yards. Losing yards might have made more sense than stopping the clock, but why run a play like that?

Its a horrid call.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 24, 2009 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Zeke, I can't imagine another way to run a red zone offense but to practice the plays you think will be successful with the personnel packages you think will make it work most effectively. Then you run it on gameday with the package that worked best during the week.

Posted by: daggar |

I agree with that. I looked up the targets that the various Skins receivers have otten this year.

The 4 guys Campbell threw to in the red zone were ARE, Sellers, Portis and DT11

Campbell has thrown 61 passes. The top 4 targets are Cooley, ARE, Moss and Kelly. 50 of his 61 passes to those guys. 3 of his 4 passes inside the 10 went to Portis, Sellers and DT11. Combined, 8 targets all year.

Just hard to believe that the targets are totally different inside the 10.

To put in another way, 3 guys who conbimed for 6% of the total pass recevining yds got 75% of the looks inside the Ram 10............

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 24, 2009 2:51 AM | Report abuse

Zorn vs. Sonny has made it to NFL Live on ESPN. And they played the full clip.

The Media is hilarious.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 24, 2009 4:54 AM | Report abuse

4th, NFL Live tends to struggle for content so no shock the Sonny/Zorn dustup made it there. I just hope they give us equal time if we beat Detroit.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 24, 2009 5:19 AM | Report abuse

.... if we beat Detroit.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 24, 2009 5:19 AM

Is this still a possibility? I thought we'd already lost to Detroit.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 24, 2009 5:51 AM | Report abuse

Is this still a possibility? I thought we'd already lost to Detroit.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 24, 2009 5:51 AM


I swear to God, you and Greg have to be the most antagonistic people I've ever encountered in my life...

Just because I don't think they'll win doesn't mean I don't WANT them to win or that they CAN'T win. I just see them playing down to the level of their competition, which I've seen for about 10+ years now. Far from a stretch.

That said, with the media and a good number of the fans predicting that as a loss and beating them up about the Rams game, they could actually go out and have their best game yet. I wouldn't bet on it, but I certainly like their chances a lot better than I did on Monday.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 24, 2009 6:10 AM | Report abuse

Hamsters wake early
and a struggle escalates
The kibble is bad
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 24, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

I don't care if Brian Orakpo becomes a perennial Pro Bowler it was a stupid move to draft him over Michael Oher.

It is going to take years to fix the Oline. Samuels is toast. He will be lucky to make it through the year. Rabach is on the downside and may have a couple of years left. Rhinehart and Heyer blow. Dockery is decent. So on top of needing a franchise QB is an entire starting offensive line. Oh and Portis is getting near his expiration date. Kelly, Thomas and Davis look like gigantic busts. So basically there is Cooley and nothing else on offense. It will suck to be a Redskins fan for years to come.

Posted by: srobert1117 | September 24, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

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