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Rinehart vs. Montgomery

This is a big week for guard Chad Rinehart. And apparently, guard-center Will Montgomery, too.

Many people in the organization said they expected Coach Jim Zorn to quickly promote Rinehart to replace starting right guard Randy Thomas, who was placed on the season-ending injured reserve list Tuesday because of a right triceps injury. But Zorn has decided to have Rinehart and Montgomery, who filled in for Thomas after he was injured in the second quarter against the St. Louis Rams, compete for the opening, Rinehart said before practice Wednesday at Redskins Park.

Rinehart still is expected to be in the starting lineup Sunday against the Detroit Lions at Ford Field. But it seems he has more work to do to secure the job.

"Just whoever has the best week is going to play," Rinehart said.

Rinehart took all the first-team reps at right guard in the offseason while Thomas recovered from neck and knee surgeries. And players said Rinehart impressed during preseason.

"I started two games in the preseason," he said. "I felt like I showed them when I'm out there the line doesn't drop off. At the same time, I have to show 'em I can compete this week and go out and play."

Rinehart said he's ready to contribute more, "but at the same time, Will did a good job while he was in there [against the Rams]. They feel like whichever one of us shows the best in practice will play. I definitely feel like I'm ready to go. I just have to show 'em that."

Vinny Cerrato, executive vice-president of football operations, is high on Rinehart. The plan was for Rinehart, selected in the third round (96th overall) of the 2008 draft, to take over at right guard next season. After everything I've been told about how Rinehart really has come around, he's the future, yada, yada, yada, I find it hard to believe Montgomery would move ahead of him at such a crucial juncture of the season for the team overall and Zorn individually.

And if Montgomery was injured while starting at right guard, the Redskins' lack of depth would worsen to emergency levels. For those reasons, I'm still sticking with "The Rhino."

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Mike Wilbon, over at Worldwide Wilbon, is wondering about the state of the Redskins and wonders where the joy is. Tell him your thoughts.

By Jason Reid  |  September 23, 2009; 12:33 PM ET
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Comments

FIRST?

Posted by: dbrine1261 | September 23, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Actually that didn't feel as good as i thought it would

Posted by: dbrine1261 | September 23, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Rinehart vs. Montgomery and Heyer vs Big Mike Williams.

Seems like there's not a lot of confidence in the young guys getting the starts, but they convinced someone not to draft anyone else. I hope they prove themselves.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 23, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Where is the joy?!? Is he kidding?

Posted by: Moose33 | September 23, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

If we did live some kind of uber-darwinian "Escape From New York" type of existence you'd be eaten alive or chained to someone's bathroom to scrape up crusty dung from the toilet with an old toothbrush.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 23, 2009 9:37 AM

ALL HAIL THE DUKE OF NEW YORK!

Posted by: dcsween | September 23, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

According to Portis' interview with Doc Walker, Portis is thinking the new guy is going to be Edwin (Eddie?) Williams (whichever one is the guard).

Posted by: dcsween | September 23, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Someone should ask CP what he thinks of Rinehart being in there. Just curious how he would respond.

Posted by: bostskin | September 23, 2009 1:09 PM

Scroll down to "R.Thomaas replacement"

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/clinton_portis_we_all_believe.html

Posted by: dcsween | September 23, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

repost
I want to see if Rhino really has what it takes. He started in place of RThomas all preseason and never looked bad. I am all for open competition, but if he loses out to Montgomery then it pretty much discredits everything they were saying about Rhino all preseason. Which seems to be getting more and more the norm around here (anything positive they said all preseason was just a bunch of bs)……I am hoping that Rhino is an actual upgrade to Kelly Johnson’s wing bowl champion boyfriend…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 23, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

This is a wee bit off topic, but shows the illogical thinking of management.

Who was at the game last Sunday?

What the F*&$ was up with the parking? They created a one way loop to park. Traffic coming into the stadium was ridiculously re-routed and the traffic patterns changed for the 1st home game.

This caused confusion to the people who have been traveling certain routes from last year and this years pre-season game.

I felt bad for the parking attendants because they were getting swamped by people in cars asking how they get to certain lots. The response was the same from almost every attendant

" I dont know, they decided to change the traffic pattern this year for some reason"

Or, " you will have to get out and come in another entrance, but this is a one way route, so I dont know how you get out"

Why mess with a pattern that was working, and switch it for the 1st home game?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 23, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Thanks DC- Sounds like CP is really up on the BU lineman.

Mark

Posted by: bostskin | September 23, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The draft is over, and I'm hoping there are no desperation, TJ Duckett style trades. Go with the guys we drafted and developed. We, as Redskins fans, are so used to the organization trying to buy or trade its way out of a problem. It would be a nice change to see an early to mid-round draft pick actually step into the lineup, develop and succeed.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 23, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

So a 3rd round draft pick (96th overall) from last year's draft, has to compete to start?

You gotta feel for Buges....not much to work with.

Posted by: ksquare | September 23, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Once again, a chance to rip Zorn. They ought to KNOW who the RG is going to be today. That guy ought to get all the reps in practice.

The coaches have had months to see what Rinehart and Montgomery can do. Should one week change their minds after they've had two months to evaluate them? And if they are that even, just make a choice. Make a choice and then focus on getting that guy ready.

What ticks me off most is they made the same mistake with the WRs, waiting until 5 days before the season started to set the lineup.

Set the lineup and let the guy practice with the 1st unit. Jeez, its not rocket science.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

The draft is over, and I'm hoping there are no desperation, TJ Duckett style trades. ...

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 23, 2009 1:22 PM

The Kendall Family, and Mrs. Kendall in particular, want a first round pick to trade for Michael Crabtree ... who she wants to come and do yard work in her husband's absence. Kind of a no-brainer. Win-win-win (except for Mr. Crabtree, "you want me to WHAT?").

Posted by: dcsween | September 23, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

So a 3rd round draft pick (96th overall) from last year's draft, has to compete to start?

You gotta feel for Buges....not much to work with.

Posted by: ksquare

He's a second year pro who has never been activated for a game competing with a 5 year vet who stepped in and did a decent job in the last game. He may offer a lot, we just don't know yet. This is what the NFL is all about: guys stepping in when there's an opportunity. I hope he succeeds, and we never look back.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 23, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

stick CR in there, and see what he has, they're not going to get a feel for what this guy brings to the table until they bite the bullet and actually get him some playing time....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of draft-- Who do ya'll think we need? Do we go QB or OL?

Posted by: shanteefamilee | September 23, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of draft-- Who do ya'll think we need? Do we go QB or OL?

Posted by: shanteefamilee

Seriously?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 23, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

An in season competition at guard? Wasn't that what pre-season was for?

Individual talent is often less important to an offensive line than the kind of repetition in practice and games that breeds cohesiveness.

Playing together helps linemen learn their mate's skills, weaknesses and tendencies, and vice versa. Now, with the line reduced by a veteran, and the cohesiveness damaged, Zorn plans to split the repetitionss of both players in practice.

And, apparently he didn't consult with his co-coach, Clinton Portis, who seems to think rookie Eddie Williams should have the gig.

To paraphrase Casey Stengel: "Doesn't anyone here know how to coach this game?"

Posted by: TheCork | September 23, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Kenbeatrizz,
I wouldn't mind swapping an Guard for Betts or maybe a young/unproven guard and a late round draft pick for Betts.

Come on Vinny make it happen.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of draft-- Who do ya'll think we need? Do we go QB or OL?

Posted by: shanteefamilee | September 23, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

We should draft another 1st round quarterback and make another coaching change. You know, since that has worked out so well for us THE LAST 17 YEARS IN A ROW!!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

His name is freakin' "Crabtree," so of course he'd be good at yardwork.

Always makes me think of the terrific Rancid Crabtree character from the Patrick McManus books... any McManus fans out there? Hello? Anyone? Anyone?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 23, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Betts is the better receiver. You know it and I know it. If that throw goes to Betts, its a TD.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Based on Ladell Betts' 7 year pro history, I have no idea how you can draw that conclusion. The guy does not catch many TD passes, no matter the coach or play caller. I'm not a stat geek, but stats don't lie here. My own opinion is that Sellers catches more TD's because he's a stealth receiver and has been successful in fooling defenses near the goal line. Regardless, history has shown he's more of a TD threat as a receiver than Betts. In 2005 alone, he had 7 TD catches under Joe Gibbs. That's more than double Betts' CAREER total.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz

And yet, you use stats. If you could go through and look at every catch Sellers has made (and I don't have that ability), I suspect you'd find few were made 'on the run'. Most of his TDs (my memory being what it is) did come in stealth mode. Where he wasn't running full speed, but where he was left uncovered.

A fine point, and then I'll leave this debate. Sonny once pointed out that the guys who wear large shoulder pads need to have the ball thrown below their shoulders, as its harder for them to get their hands up quickly. He was talking about tight ends and blocking backs in particular.

Campbell's pass was up near Seller's shoulder pads. It was actually a tougher catch for Sellers than most people might realize. For Betts or any other receiving sort, its a perfect pass and easy catch. But Sellers has a more limited range of motion.

In effect, Sellers, despite his size, is actually provides a very small target on a quick pass because the ball needs to be thrown into a very tight spot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

The bigger question to me is why didn't Rhino bother to learn how to play center? If you were in his inner circle, wouldn't you have suggested that versatility could be pretty doggone important, so maybe he should log some time at center like his colleague Mr. Montgomery was doing?

Rhino starts, Monty backs up him and Rabach. Easy-peasy.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 23, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Jeez Cork, you and I thinking exactly the same thing about the RG "competition".

Great and twisted minds think alike?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Have we used Sellers to run the ball in the red zone yet under Zorn? Maybe a bruiser like that would work better then 26.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

any McManus fans out there? Hello? Anyone? Anyone?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 23, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't he the guy who was in charge of the convicts at Oz?

Posted by: ksquare | September 23, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of draft-- Who do ya'll think we need? Do we go QB or OL?
Posted by: shanteefamilee | September 23, 2009 1:28 PM

Ask me in Janua, no, February. Yeah, ask me in February. Yeah, cause we'll be busy playing in January.On a side note, after the fifth tequila shot my throat doesn't burn anymore.

Posted by: will_ga | September 23, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who deserves the start at RG, but the Skins coaches should known this yesterday.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn looked at CR and thought, "Sure he can block but how well does he throw the ball on an option play at the goal line?" Zorn saw Montgomery throwing well on the move during pre-season and he's a little conflicted. Guess you could say Zorn's torn.

Posted by: pgugino | September 23, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of draft-- Who do ya'll think we need? Do we go QB or OL?

Posted by: shanteefamilee

Ummmm, do we really have to answer this one?

Posted by: dcwun | September 23, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

As "fans" we are as impatient and impulsive as the owner.

The reason why this franchise has not won is because there has been so much change coupled with a lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball.

Schottenheimer-one year
Spurrier- two years
Gibbs- 4 years and two systems

Why would I fire Zorn and rebuild again, especially if I've got 4 young WR/TE that I don't know can play or not? We've got a good almost great defense with young talent.

If I'm Snyder, I wouldn't give a damn what that fans thought because I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't

Posted by: rickyroge | September 23, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Ummmm, do we really have to answer this one?

Posted by: dcwun | September 23, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

It depends, are you a Collins fan or a Campbell fan.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Have we used Sellers to run the ball in the red zone yet under Zorn? Maybe a bruiser like that would work better then 26.
Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 1:44 PM

He doesn’t exactly go over the top of the pile like Payton did…..more like a little bunny hop and fall down for a two yard loss. Maybe that was during Gibbs 2.0 though…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 23, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

If I'm Snyder, I wouldn't give a damn what that fans thought because I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't

Posted by: rickyroge

umm, i thought it was apparent that Snyder doesn't care what the fans think/feel.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Kraft in New England: grown his franchise and gained fans. Championships galore.

Bisciotti in Baltimore: grown his franchise and gained fans. Successful franchise.

Rooneys in Pittsburgh: best run team out there. Many fans. Successful franchise.

Snyder in Washington: Little Napoleon thinks he is the greatest. He meddles with everything and succeeds at nothing. No success. Pitiful run franchise.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 23, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

So Nate...I see 'Nate' and 'books' in the same post, and it reminds me of my trip to the library with my little one on Saturday.
She gets to pick a bunch of books to "rent" for the week...Well she picks one off the shelf called 'Nate the Great Stalks Stupidweed' and tells me "I like dis one Datty". For some reason, the words 'Nate' and 'weed' make me think of you. Can't figure out why though.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 23, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

How much does Rinehart weigh? Isn't he 310 or something like that?

Where are the maulers dammit... space eaters... road graters?

Is it so much to ask for a guard that's 320+?

It isn't like asking the offense to score 30.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

alex35332, we have used him, as a bruiser on goal line. Remember when he tried to extend his arms to have the ball break the goal line and ended up fumbling? Can't remember who that was against though. But i do remember it being a turning point of the game.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

He doesn’t exactly go over the top of the pile like Payton did…..more like a little bunny hop and fall down for a two yard loss. Maybe that was during Gibbs 2.0 though…..


Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 23, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

He is a bulldozer , not a jumper. When he was trying to jump we ended up with losses and a costly fumble. When he bulldozed the pile he was getting 4 yards. He wasn't getting more than 4 but he certainly wasn't getting any less than 4 yards. He was great on short yardage. He hates carrying the ball though.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I've had a connection with the name Rinehart since seeing "The Black Hole" at a drive-in as a kid. The movie in many ways is "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" set in space, and Dr. Rinehart is the Captain Nemo character.

Dr. Rinehart was determined to take his ship through a black hole.

So here's hoping Rhino opens some holes in opposing D-lines!


And that, boys and girls, is how you make a groaningly bad metaphor.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 23, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for giving a system time to develop, but that's not what we're talking about here... we're seeing the distinct LACK of development.

I would have liked another 2 years of Gibbs - but we weren't allotted that. And we've covered why this guy is Fail IN DEPTH. Zoron's been moving backwards.

And balls to the concept in general. Sure it's one way you can excuse losses, but Mr. Tomlin did ok in Schmidtsburgh just reacting and dealing w/ the players he had. And two rookie QB's made it deep into the playoffs last year. So to say it's a given you need 3-4 years is balderdash.

These are not anomalies.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 23, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

My suggestion for the guard competition.

Throw one pass to each guy.

The guy that drops it instead of catching it and trying to run with it, wins.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

It depends, are you a Collins fan or a Campbell fan.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

How do either of those guys factor in? The OL age/skill/depth has routinely been identified as a major deficiency.

Why worry about QB, there is a Colt in the barn.


Posted by: ksquare | September 23, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

red, the post has him listed at 311...stick some rocks in his pockets....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

lmao@Nate&4-12

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 23, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

How do either of those guys factor in? The OL age/skill/depth has routinely been identified as a major deficiency.

Why worry about QB, there is a Colt in the barn.


Posted by: ksquare | September 23, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Well the only people who are asking that question Pick 1-QB/OT are the people who are anti-Camp. I mean yes if you think 17 can be a starter with a good line, like I do, then you draft a lineman.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

freakzilla: "since seeing "The Black Hole"...Dr. Rinehart was determined to take his ship through a black hole."

I saw "The Brown Hole" same general concept just different genre.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm troubled by the fact roles and positions are still not decided. If Montgomery is your #3 OG, say so and go with it. Why play this competition game in week 3.

Posted by: oknow1 | September 23, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

If you could go through and look at every catch Sellers has made (and I don't have that ability), I suspect you'd find few were made 'on the run'.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Would you like to watch a couple?

http://redskins.fandome.com/video/106349/Week-11-Mike-Sellers-Market-TD/

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8031292e/Michael-Sellers-Highlight-WK-5-vs-Lions-2007

I really like that one against the Cowboys where he's, you know, RUNNING in the flat and catches it. How bout that catch against the Lions where he adjusted his route for Campbell? I know he wasn't "on the run" when he caught it, but that's pretty savvy receiving for a guy you think should only be in there to block.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 23, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Well the only people who are asking that question Pick 1-QB/OT are the people who are anti-Camp. I mean yes if you think 17 can be a starter with a good line, like I do, then you draft a lineman.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 2:04 PM |

Even if you don't think Campbell can ever be a starter you draft O line. Even Drew Brees, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady can't win from their backs.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 23, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

It depends, are you a Collins fan or a Campbell fan.

Posted by: alex35332

Both. The QB is the least of my concerns.

Posted by: dcwun | September 23, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

311?

Rinehart needs to have breakfast with me for a few weeks. That'll put some weight on him.

Seriously though, what's up with the small linemen?

You know it seems the run game became average when they stopped the pull blocking run plays.

Man Randy Thomas was a beast at that. He'd pull left or right.

Randy Thomas in '05 = Beast

Odd too, that was year they smashed Dallas at the EX 35, yeah count 'em, THIRTY-FIVE to seven.

And that was a Gibbs offense.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm troubled by the fact roles and positions are still not decided. If Montgomery is your #3 OG, say so and go with it. Why play this competition game in week 3.

Posted by: oknow1


Because Jim Zorn is the coach.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Even if you don't think Campbell can ever be a starter you draft O line. Even Drew Brees, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady can't win from their backs.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 23, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Agree scamp. My disdain for Vinny, in part, stems from not replinishing the line through the draft.

And now they scramble to find a qualified replacement? This is mickey mouse shti.

Posted by: ksquare | September 23, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"That'll put some weight on him"

As well as raise his cholesterol significantly, probably cause numerous arteries to clog, as well as a small MI......kidding red, don't do all brown on me now....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Zoron the Moron.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 23, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I say play Reinhart only because you have to save Montgomery for the next guy that goes down.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 23, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

In this love could be the beginning
of the brand new tangled web you're spinning...

Anyone could be your brand new love.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 23, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Have we used Sellers to run the ball in the red zone yet under Zorn? Maybe a bruiser like that would work better then 26.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 1:44 PM

Yeah, ask the Bengals how well that turned out.

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 23, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"I'm troubled by the fact roles and positions are still not decided. If Montgomery is your #3 OG, say so and go with it. Why play this competition game in week 3.

Posted by: oknow1"

I've never been a fan of sparking competition at positions that require maximal numbers of reps to peak quality. That includes offensive linemen. Positions like RB you can create competition because RBs need to take breaks regardless, but positions along the offensive line are maximized through repetition. Pick one, then go from there.

Posted by: psps23 | September 23, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"And two rookie QB's made it deep into the playoffs last year. So to say it's a given you need 3-4 years is balderdash. These are not anomalies.Posted by: DikShuttle"

They could well be anomalies. Here's the 1st round QBs for the past decade:
08: Ryan, Flacco
07: Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn
06: Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler
05: Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell
04: Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, JP Losman
03: Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller
02: David Carr, Joey Harrington, Pat Ramsey
01: Micheal Vick
00: Chad Pennington
99: Tim Couch, Don McNabb, Akili Smith, Cade McNown

You have a boom year for QBs like '04, but those are the anomaly. If you get one exceptional QB in a draft class, that's closer to the norm.


Posted by: Samson151 | September 23, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Wonder whats gonna happen when Rabach and Rinehart both get hurt. Montgomery can go in for center and we can line up without a right guard. That is the type of trickery Zorn should try next.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 23, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"If you get one exceptional QB in a draft class, that's closer to the norm."

At least for first rounders. You might strike gold later in the draft, like Brees or Brady.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 23, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

But Rhine will gain weight...

Get that man a scapple, fried egg and cheese sandwich! On white bread, with whole vitamin D milk.

On second thought f the milk, get him a vanilla milkshake.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

In effect, Sellers, despite his size, is actually provides a very small target on a quick pass because the ball needs to be thrown into a very tight spot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse


It hit him in the hands. Both of them. At the same time.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 23, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Mark Sanchez is lighting it up already. Eli won it ALL in his second year.

This is a different league right now (unfortunately) and you have to react and develop quicker. If you wait for 3-4 years you could miss your window - which for us was this year, actually. Next year will be too late, I believe, and we'll have to start over - AGAIN.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 23, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

oopsh. Eli was 3 years, right? Still - pretty early, though.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 23, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Good use of bladerdash, DikShuttle.

Have we used Sellers to run the ball in the red zone yet under Zorn? Maybe a bruiser like that would work better then 26.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 1:44 PM

Yeah, ask the Bengals how well that turned out.

Posted by: stevek20147


It turned out splendid for the Bengals. Sellars fumbled and the 'skins gagged near the goal line yet again.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I wants somma that too, RedD!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 23, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Well the only people who are asking that question Pick 1-QB/OT are the people who are anti-Camp. I mean yes if you think 17 can be a starter with a good line, like I do, then you draft a lineman.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing is that JC doesn't even have to be that good. Resign him and spend your left over money on an offensive line and a few playmakers. You can draft the best offensive player available in the first round next year and blow the rest of the draft on linemen. Big Ben threw like 3 more TDs than JC last year. He also threw 9 more INTs and lost 7 fumbles. The thing is he has the best defense in the league and some damn fine receivers. What do the Steelers do? They throw the ball downfield and choke you to death with their defense. It doesn't matter if Ben turns the ball over, you aren't going to score off of it anyway. Joe Flacco threw 1 more TD and 6 more INTS. What do the Ravens do? They choke you with their Defense and run right over you. It's funny though, Campbell is always ranked about the middle of the pack in DVOA and DYAR but most of our fans think he sucks. He's better than half the QBs in the league including Big Ben and Flacco. Our problem is red zone play calling, wide receiver, and offensive line run blocking.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

The Lions have allowed Brees and Farve to complete 80% of their passes games 1 & 2.

The Lions started Anthony Henry and Phillip Buchanon at corner last week.

If these match ups don't offer a chance to get your play calling schwerve on, what will?

Posted by: ksquare | September 23, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm feeling better about the Lions game. Peter King picked Detroit to beat us. I hate when he picks us to beat anyone.

Posted by: will_ga | September 23, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

oopsh. Eli was 3 years, right? Still - pretty early, though.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 23, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Eli was totally the one guy that put pressure on Tom Brady the whole game and held the NFLs' best offense in history to 14 points.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Have we used Sellers to run the ball in the red zone yet under Zorn? Maybe a bruiser like that would work better then 26.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 1:44 PM

Yeah, ask the Bengals how well that turned out.

Posted by: stevek20147


It turned out splendid for the Bengals. Sellars fumbled and the 'skins gagged near the goal line yet again.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 2:38 PM

Zactly. And I'm all over that sandwich this Sunday morning (probably skip the shake, though).

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 23, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Bladerdash:

what you do after holding in a six pack waiting for Zoron the Moron to run at the line from 7 yards out.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 23, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Didn't JC compleat 70+% of his passes vs NYG? Much better D than D-troit.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

is it Sunday yet?

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

We should right down all the folks that dog out Zorn and see what happens when they pull this thing together and start getting on track.

Of course I mean the players, since they execute the plays...or are supposed to execute the plays.

Go get em Skins

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 23, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Sellers did okay in the Gibbs era running the ball.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Ok, take Rothlisberger then - and he was rook, right?

The point is (and I believe MADE at this juncture) that the tried and true development stradgety is no longer a given. You can and may need to find ways to win before that.

Personally, I blame fantasy football and overt acceptance of gambling, but that's another discussion. And not necessarily warranted.

Rookie & second year receivers are putting up gawdy #s. It's just happening now... deny it at your own (your team's) peril.

ja. enough.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 23, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

ZJ -- MIN vs. WAS defense.

WAS played the following offenses, ranked by points scored:
NO #1
ARI #3(T)
NYG #3(T) twice
PHI #6 twice

And were the 6th ranked defense in points allowed. MIN was 13th.

Again, the Skins improved their defense last year, whereas MIN spent most of their upgrades on offense (Farve, Harvin). I contend the WAS defense is much better than MIN.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

PAskins, who are these "damn fine receivers" from the Steelers you speak of?

Strictly as Receivers:

Ward: Average
Holmes: Average
Miller: Average (But a beastly run blocker)
Sweed: ???

Who else do they have?

Since their running game has seem to gone the way of Hoffa, Big Ben, and Big Ben only is the reason why that offense even looks decent.

People like to talk about how the Steelers give up a lot of sacks, well they do because Ben is always trying to extend the play... waiting for a RECEIVER to get open.

PASkins, I have not seen nor heard of these "damn fine receivers" that you speak of.

I see a damn fine QB and a awesome assembly of linebackers and scheme on defense.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

If the FO does jump the shark and make a change at coach (which I hope they do not) what about a Herm Edwards.

I think he is a guy that change the "culture" of the Skins.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 23, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Ok, take Rothlisberger then - and he was rook, right?

The point is (and I believe MADE at this juncture) that the tried and true development stradgety is no longer a given. You can and may need to find ways to win before that.

Personally, I blame fantasy football and overt acceptance of gambling, but that's another discussion. And not necessarily warranted.

Rookie & second year receivers are putting up gawdy #s. It's just happening now... deny it at your own (your team's) peril.

ja. enough.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 23, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Rothlisberger is a horrible example. The Steelers won that super bowl despite Rothlisberger not because of him. That's the part you are missing. They are winning without elite QBs. They are making average QBs appear to be elite.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"At least for first rounders. You might strike gold later in the draft, like Brees or Brady.

Posted by: Samson151"

Brees was a second round pick...hardly a back end draftee.....

Also, while I loathe to Praise Eli M, its asinine to say he played no part in there SB victory. Yes defense was huge, but I recall something about a game winning drive......it would be ridiculous to say he was anything else than one of reasons they won that game.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 23, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Again, the Skins improved their defense last year, whereas MIN spent most of their upgrades on offense (Farve, Harvin). I contend the WAS defense is much better than MIN.

--

Everyone seems to forget we don't have Springs anymore, and we're exposed in the secondary because of it. Whether or not we've actually improved at defense overall from our off season moves remains to be seen.

Posted by: REXskins | September 23, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Mark Sanchez is lighting it up already. Eli won it ALL in his second year....

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 23, 2009 2:35 PM

Lighting it up?

Mark Sanchez 09:
32/53, 435 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 7 rushes 4 yards

Jason Campbell 09:
42/61, 453 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT , 8 rushes 44 yards

Sanchez is exceeding expectations as a rookie, but if he's lighting it up so is JC17.

It's always funny how people talk about Eli and Big Ben winning early, neglecting to mention that they came to stable franchises (Mike Tomlin was named the 16th head coach in Pittsburgh Steelers history on Jan. 22, 2007. Hired at the age of 34, Tomlin became only the third head coach hired by the Steelers since 1969. Tom Coughlin was named the 17th head coach of the NY Giants in 2004. He became the 5th coach hired by the Giants since 1983.) with outstanding defenses.

By contrast, the Skins have hired 5 head coaches since 2000.

It's not the QB (or the 14 that started before him in the past 15 years), it's the organizational instability.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 23, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

In 2000 it was the Ravens. Defense wins games. Baltimore was winning games and scoring hardly any points.

Whats the difference if you win by 3 or 30? A Win is a Win, but I do agree with the talent we have we should be dominating these guys. With the exception of the fumble by JC, we stacked ok against the Giants.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 23, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

what about a Herm Edwards.
I think he is a guy that change the "culture" of the Skins.
Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 23, 2009

Herm plays to win the game like Zorn calls plays to work: badly.

Posted by: will_ga | September 23, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Its like that old rule that good teams change their strategy to fit their players. You have a young QB, you go run heavy so that the game is not on them right away. Maybe a few trick plays to take the ball out of their hand for a big play.

Ah la baltimore A-11 (i guess its the NFL so A-6) 2 QB gimmick.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Lighting it up?

Mark Sanchez 09:
32/53, 435 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 7 rushes 4 yards

Jason Campbell 09:
42/61, 453 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT , 8 rushes 44 yards

Posted by: Alan4

AWESOME post.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 23, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Rothlisberger is a horrible example. The Steelers won that super bowl despite Rothlisberger not because of him. That's the part you are missing. They are winning without elite QBs. They are making average QBs appear to be elite.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

As someone who actually watched the playoffs and the Superbowl last year I'm going to have to completely disagree with you here.

Posted by: REXskins | September 23, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"They are winning without elite QBs. They are making average QBs appear to be elite."

Man I wish the Skins could get some "average" QBs like Big Ben and Eli....wow...

I mean PAskins, your argument actually bashes JC, b/c the skins have had a good running attack and defense as well....so why aren't we winning SBs...hmmm...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 23, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Funny that the irony Zorn can't or won't see his reeling back of the offense inside the 20's is exactly what's hurting him. He loosens up and lets JC do his thing, then gets mental constipation as soon as he gets within kicking range. Is the red zone his cryptonite?

Posted by: pgugino | September 23, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

PAskins, who are these "damn fine receivers" from the Steelers you speak of?

Strictly as Receivers:

Ward: Average
Holmes: Average
Miller: Average (But a beastly run blocker)
Sweed: ???

Who else do they have?

Since their running game has seem to gone the way of Hoffa, Big Ben, and Big Ben only is the reason why that offense even looks decent.

People like to talk about how the Steelers give up a lot of sacks, well they do because Ben is always trying to extend the play... waiting for a RECEIVER to get open.

PASkins, I have not seen nor heard of these "damn fine receivers" that you speak of.

I see a damn fine QB and a awesome assembly of linebackers and scheme on defense.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Santonio Holmes is not average and neither is Hines Ward. Both of them are sure handed and excellent route runners. Santonio was a hell of a player in college and was drafted in the first round. He was ranked as one of the best WR prospects in the draft that year. Only Chad Jackson was ranked ahead of him. He had the 5th most yards and receptions in ohio state history. He killed at the combine. Why on earth would you think he is average? Hines Ward was a third rounder and quickly became one of the league's best route runners and blockers. Heath Miller is pretty damned good too. They also had Nate Washington. Nate was their third receiver. He is now the first receiver for the Titans. Why do you think any of them are average? If they are average then what do you think of Moss, Randle El, and MK12?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Im not sure I can say we have "a good running attack".

Portis seems to be average at best and their is a hesitation to give anyone else a chance for risk pf upsetting Portis. H still has a reputation from 6 years or so years ago.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 23, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Peter King is a Redskins-hating nutsack.

WAS defense is better than either of the ones DET played to date. JZ should have some confidence to call some stretch plays, get Davis, Kelley and Thomas involved in the offense.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"They are winning without elite QBs. They are making average QBs appear to be elite."

Man I wish the Skins could get some "average" QBs like Big Ben and Eli....wow...

I mean PAskins, your argument actually bashes JC, b/c the skins have had a good running attack and defense as well....so why aren't we winning SBs...hmmm...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 23, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Ben is moving in to elite territory now. He carries that offense. The point is well taken, though, that JC is probably a better QB than Ben was when he won his first ring. That team was all Defense and running game. Won the superbowl in spite of Roethliswhatever that year.

It's just hard to compare. THere's a chance that if you put JC behind Eli's pass protection and with his dominant (at times) running game, and all the turnovers his defense generates that JC would be more productive than Eli. He is certainly more athletic and I think he's every bit as accurate.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 23, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that Zorn (Buges?) doesn't want to name CR the starter so that he doesn't feel like he has arrived; to give him the mindset that he must compete and kick butt all week; and to keep him from getting all emotionally twisted and uptight over his impending debut in the NFL.

Make him prove to himself and the team that he can get it done. If he does that, the game will not be as difficult when the real bullets start flying.

All I want is somebody who can stay in his stance until the proper sound is uttered, not get steamrolled in pass pro, and make the correct blocks on the correct guy every play.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 23, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

EVERYBODY AND I MEAN EVERYBODY IS PICKING THE LIONS TO BEAT THE REDSKINS INCLUDING HERMAN("YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME,HELLO!")EDWARDS OF ESPN, IF THIS TEAM HAS ANY PRIDE THEN THEY WILL GO TO DETROIT AND DROP FORTY ON THEIR SORRY AZZ!! PARDON MY CAPS.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 23, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Intrigued by the notion of "Stupidweed," 4-12, and will investigate further. I believe that book your little one stumbled upon may be a work of non-fiction.

Almost eerie coincidence: last Saturday I saw my very favorite music man, Black Francis, and he made a joke about not forgetting lyrics because he was drinking Smart Water... then he gestured to the beer and wine put out on stage for him and referred to them as "Dumb Water."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 23, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Imagine what new veins of controversial conversation gold we could mine if Colt was not on IR for the year.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 23, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I like our defense. And they are definitely not the reason we lost the 1st game or why the 2nd game was close. But you can not compare WAS def against BAL or PIT. When was the last time the WAS offense had a short field to work with? I can't even remember when we got to start past the 50. That is the difference between the defenses.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Peter King = that pudgy kid in High School that always hung around the athletics dept. as "equipment manager."

He's hated the Skins ever since Gibbs I and Monk and those guys refused to become BFFs with him in the 1980s.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 23, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I think the media is really helping the Skins out this week. Would be far more worried about Detroit if the Skins had blown the Rams out and everyone was picking a Skins victory. It's weird, but true.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 23, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

As someone who actually watched the playoffs and the Superbowl last year I'm going to have to completely disagree with you here.

Posted by: REXskins | September 23, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Which game did you watch?

Was it the San Diego game where he only threw for 181 yards and only 1 passing TD?

Was it the Baltimore game where they only had 1 offensive TD?

Or was it the super bowl that he only threw 1 offensive TD?

Their defense and special teams scored as many TDs in the post season as their QB but go ahead and crown him. I guess he really is the best QB evar!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I like our defense. And they are definitely not the reason we lost the 1st game or why the 2nd game was close. But you can not compare WAS def against BAL or PIT. When was the last time the WAS offense had a short field to work with? I can't even remember when we got to start past the 50. That is the difference between the defenses.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

We started on the Giants' 11 yard line after a DeAngelo Hall INT in week 1 this year dude. Also had a fumble recovery in the red zone against the rams called back on a bulls**t roughing penalty. Check your facts.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 23, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I think the reason everybody is picking the Lions to win is simply because of the law of averages. No one thinks they will loss 6 games in a row to start the season therefore they have to beat someone. And when you look at the schedule the Skins are their easiest opponent; conclusion: Lions will be the Skins.

Note: This is not what i think just explaining the expert's* logic.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Hines Ward is average at this point in his career. Not scaring anyone as a pass-catcher. Still a great blocker, but that's not what he's really paid to do.

Holmes is not average. He may not be an elite R. Moss type, but he's just under that. An above-average No. 1.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 23, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

September 23 1:18 ET The Redskins will face a struggling Lions defense that will be without perhaps its best player in LB Ernie Sims (shoulder).

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 23, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

September 23 12:47 ET WR Antwaan Randle El on all the hoopla surrounding the team's non-productive start: "We're not stressed out over it. It has only been two games. I hope you guys (the media) aren't that stressed over it."

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 23, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

When was the last time the WAS offense had a short field to work with? I can't even remember when we got to start past the 50. That is the difference between the defenses.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Huh? When D Hall had a pick against the Giants the field was midget short and they still couldn't get a TD.
And with teams expecting the Skins to run left, I'd open up with a playaction to the left against the Lions and let JC go down the seam to Cooley or go on a post to Moss.

Posted by: ga8085 | September 23, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Something I didn't realize: if you don't get an exceptional QB in the first round, you rarely ever get one in the second. Here's the list:

'08: Brian Brohm, Chad Henne
'07: Kevin Kolb, John Beck, Drew Stanton
'06: Kellen Clemens, Tarvaris Jackson
'05, '04, '03, '02: none drafted
'01: Drew Brees, Quincy Carter, Marques Tuiasosopo
'00: none drafted
'99: Shaun King

I guess that's what they mean when they say top-tier rookie QBs are 'overvalued': they're drafted high because teams are afraid it's the only chance they'll have to grab one.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 23, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

We started on the Giants' 11 yard line after a DeAngelo Hall INT in week 1 this year dude. Also had a fumble recovery in the red zone against the rams called back on a bulls**t roughing penalty. Check your facts.

Posted by: mhaslup

If the fumble recovery was called back, how can you say the offense started near the goal line?

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will face a struggling Lions defense that will be without perhaps its best player in LB Ernie Sims (shoulder).


Posted by: 4thFloor | September 23, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

That's never stopped Zorn before from not exposing another team's key injuries.

Posted by: ga8085 | September 23, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Um, PASkins, please tell me you're kidding about the combine/draft. In what way does that have ANY bearing on what type of receiver Holmes has been in the NFL to date, you know, while actually playing?

Holmes has never had a season with more than 55 catches and 950 yards. That's very average. Last season they, the Steelers, had a down year running the ball. Holmes grand total numbers: 55 catches, 821 yards, 5 TDs.

Ward? My bad. He's been legit. When he's done, they'll be talking about the HOF for him. Not first ballot, but eventually.

I didn't know he's been in the league since '98. From 2001 to 2005 he was that dude. He'll finish with 1,000 receptions, 10,000 yards, and 100 TDs.

Them be HOF numbers for sure.

Again, my bad about Hines Ward.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"The obvious things are they (Redskins) have a solid defense," Lions OT Jon Jansen said. "They've got a big defensive front. The only new guy they have is (Albert) Haynesworth, so they've been playing together for a while. London Fletcher is a tremendous football player and he's the heart and soul of that defense."
Today, September 23, 2009, 4:10:39 PM

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 23, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

WR Wallace producing early for Steelers
Updated Sept. 21, 2009 @ 10:26 a.m.
Steelers rookie Mike Wallace is pushing hard to become the club's No. 3 wideout and has made the most of his chances early.

Just thought I'd put that caption out there since it was impossible for any of the Skins WR's last yr to do this.

Posted by: ga8085 | September 23, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Today, September 23, 2009, 4:02:00 PM
Look for rookie LB DeAndre Levy to take the place of injured LB Ernie Sims on the weak-side. "He's been doing a good job," LB Julian Peterson said. "As a rookie the coaches have put him in a lot of positions to see where he fits. He's done a good job on translating it all into one."

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 23, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted Sept. 18, 2009 @ 4:13 p.m.
By Mike Wilkening
Updated Monday, Sept. 21 @ 10:27 a.m. ET

Not to be lost in the in the flurry of yards and points the Ravens racked up in the first two weeks of the season was the play of the offensive line, which allowed only two sacks and paved the way for Ravens running backs to rush for 298 yards. The line's superior protection of QB Joe Flacco was particularly notable; he is not especially mobile, and the Ravens clearly plan to let him throw more than a season ago. Flacco, sacked 32 times as a rookie, has proven that when given time to throw, he will accurately spread the ball to a variety of targets, and those efforts start with the offensive line, a group loaded with potential on the edges (OLT Jared Gaither and ORT Michael Oher, the club's first-round pick in 2009) and boasting two very good starters inside in OLG Ben Grubbs and ex-Vikings C Matt Birk. The line's best effort can be a very good one, as it showed right off the bat in '09.

This caption really hurts. I'd damn sure rather have Birk then Rabach and we all know the deal with Oher.

Posted by: ga8085 | September 23, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

You have to start Rinehart.

You already know what you have with Montgomery, and he'll be standing on the sidelines ready to go if Rino can't cut it.

If the long term plan is for Rino to start - and I hope that's what you expect from 3rd round O-linemen, then declare him starter YESTERDAY and give him a full week with the starting O.

Again, you already know what Montgomery can do, so you've got your parachute standing by. What is the big strategic dilemma here? It's Detroit. How close to pre-season do you want.

Sorry, I don't buy this nonsense that Detroit even has a chance this week. Our D-Line crushes, they have as rookie QB and a new coach/system to learn, we move the ball very well on O (yup). If we break through our scoring drought, it 's a blow-out, otherwise, we kick them to death. It might be ugly, but we will beat Detroit.

HTTR!

Posted by: edvar | September 23, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

We started on the Giants' 11 yard line after a DeAngelo Hall INT in week 1 this year dude. Also had a fumble recovery in the red zone against the rams called back on a bulls**t roughing penalty. Check your facts.

Posted by: mhaslup

If the fumble recovery was called back, how can you say the offense started near the goal line?

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say that. Was just pointing out that it looks like this year's defense does make those kinds of plays. I notice you had nothing to say re: the play in the Giants game? Yeah...thought not.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 23, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

ga8085 you want a hug? Oh I wish he had..., Oh why didn't we get...Stop whining, grow a sack.

Posted by: TWISI | September 23, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Santonio Holmes is only 25 and this is his 4th year in the league. The guy is ready to blow up as one of the better receivers in the game. He has over 200 yards in the first 2 games. I'd trade all 3 of our second rounders from last year for him in a heartbeat.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 23, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Um, PASkins, please tell me you're kidding about the combine/draft. In what way does that have ANY bearing on what type of receiver Holmes has been in the NFL to date, you know, while actually playing?

Holmes has never had a season with more than 55 catches and 950 yards. That's very average. Last season they, the Steelers, had a down year running the ball. Holmes grand total numbers: 55 catches, 821 yards, 5 TDs.

Ward? My bad. He's been legit. When he's done, they'll be talking about the HOF for him. Not first ballot, but eventually.

I didn't know he's been in the league since '98. From 2001 to 2005 he was that dude. He'll finish with 1,000 receptions, 10,000 yards, and 100 TDs.

Them be HOF numbers for sure.

Again, my bad about Hines Ward.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Average for what? Certainly not a guy in his 2nd or third year in the league. He was their number 2 at that time. Those are damn fine numbers for a #2 WR on a smash mouth football team. Keep in mind he's already got 200 yards in 2 games this year. He's a damn good receiver and this is only his 4th season. He's still young and was working his way up the depth chart. He was also part of a receiving group that included Hines Ward at about 1,000 yards a season, Nate Washington at 600 yards a season, and Heath Miller at about 500 yards a season. He is now the primary target of that passing game. I guarentee outside of injury he gets 1,000 yards this season. If you think he's mediocre then you should watch some steelers games.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

edvar,
I like the way you think there, a very good point.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

An in season competition at guard? Wasn't that what pre-season was for?

Posted by: TheCork | September 23, 2009 1:32 PM

Yes, it was ... and Randy Thomas won. Thanks for the input, coach.

Posted by: dcsween | September 23, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 23, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Repost:
If Montgomery wins the start over Rhino then that's a telling BAD sign. Montgomery is the backup center as well. If Rhino isn't good enough to play guard now, what are we going to do if Raubach gets nicked? We'll have to shuffle Montgomery there and then play the Rhino who wasn't good enough to beat out a journeyman backup center at the guard spot.

RI reports that nobody is happy with the play of Heyer and expect BMW to be playing in a few weeks - that means a poor RT is our backup to our great but injury prone LT.

BTW for all of the Orakpo lovers (he does look good) notice who's starting at RT for the Ravens? You betcha - Michael Oher who was the less sexy but probably smarter choice for us in the 1st round.

Posted by: thinker11 | September 23, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: thinker11 | September 23, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Genius picks CHIN-WHISKERS over a back-up center. WOW, alert the media, oh wait, isn't REID part of the media? Never mind.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 23, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

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