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Kelly's Still a Puzzle that Must Be Solved

After emerging as the winner in the competition with fellow second-year wideout Devin Thomas for the job of starting flanker, Malcolm Kelly focused on being a "security blanket" for quarterback Jason Campbell. "Just to give Jason that option where if something isn't there [on other routes in a play], he can go to me and I'll go get it," Kelly said. "Just so that Jason has the confidence in always having some kind of an option."

Four games into the season, however, Kelly only has six receptions for 65 yards and no touchdowns. He did not catch a pass in the 16-13 victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at FedEx Field.

Coaches have encouraged Kelly to remain focused, believing he has the ability to become a consistent playmaker in the NFL, and Kelly says his confidence has not waned. But that doesn't mean he hasn't been frustrated.

"Not because of the stats and things like that, just because I want to do more to help Jason and help the team," Kelly said. "There's still things I need to focus in on with my route running, and there's stuff Coach [Jim] Zorn and [wide receivers coach Stan] Hixon talk to me about, but I've got to also be patient. I've got to remember this is basically my rookie year, so there's a lot I'm still going through for the first time."

Because of a knee problem the Redskins were aware of when they drafted him, Kelly played in only five games as a rookie and caught three passes for 18 yards and no touchdowns. He might have been better served if he had been placed on the injured-reserves at the start of last season; as it turned out, he had microfracture surgery when the season ended.

He impressed in the preseason, displaying the best hands on the team and the ability to make catches in traffic. Listed at 6-feet-4, 227 pounds, Kelly is the biggest receiver on the team, but, strangely, he hasn't been a big factor in the red zone for an offense that has really struggled there under Zorn.

Offensive consultant Sherman Lewis, who has extensive experience in West Coast offenses, no doubt will review tape on all the receivers and make suggestions on how to help improve the team's passing game. Quarterback Jason Campbell welcomes any positive input, he said.

"It's not about egos or anything like that, it's really just about everyone working together and doing everything we can to win," said Campbell, who threw two of his three interceptions against Tampa Bay while trying to get the ball to Kelly.

"We all have a lot of confidence in Malcolm. We know what he can do. We just have to keep working on it."

Paging Sherman Lewis, Paging Sherman Lewis...

Mike Wise examines the hiring of Sherman Lewis from multiple angles. ... After finding someone to replace him at the local Bingo game and arranging for a Meals on Wheels substitute, Lewis was on board to go back to work, Rick Maese writes. - Cindy Boren

Carolina's Attack

Oh, sure, they've had their problems this year, but the Panthers' preference is for a smashmouth offense in which running backs DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart chew up yardage behind a strong line. You're also likely to see a lot of two tight-end sets; last year the Panthers ran that formation more frequently - 38 percent of their plays - than any team except Tennessee (league average: 26 percent). - CB

The View from Charlotte

Strong safety Chris Harris - the QB of the defense, according to Panthers Coach John Fox - is expected to play against the Redskins after missing the first three games.

The Panthers are having some passing problems of their own: Steve Smith and Muhsin Muhammad have zero touchdowns and zero receptions of over 30 yards. That kind of figures because the offensive line, the running game and Jake Delhomme have struggled, too (sound familiar?). The Panthers have had a bye week in which to try to get that straightened out. - CB

Fostering Football

Unless you're old enough to remember when it was a staple of the early days of ESPN, Australian Rules Football is somewhat curious for those who grew up on the American brand. But there's beer and camaraderie involved, so ... hooray footy! Les Carpenter writes today about the Baltimore Washington Eagles Australian Rules Football Club, which is playing for the national title this weekend and won a recent game 222-7. What's not to love? - CB

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Comments

First?..........who cares......

Posted by: gixxer998 | October 8, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: OMFG | October 8, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone have Norv T email add?

Posted by: Hire_ShermL | October 8, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I think Zorn, if I were invited to terminate his contract early, would definitely end up as an offensive coordinator ... and a good one. Lack of success as a head coach does not translate into lack of success as a coordinator. See Gregg Williams in New Orleans (hell, see Gregg Williams in Washington). See Cam Cameron (Miami, not so good ... Baltimore, so good). Do not see talent evaluator.

Posted by: dcsween | October 8, 2009 7:54 AM

Brilliant. All these men had success as coordinators before they were head coaches. So, suddenly dcsween has discovered that they are successful coordinators. Whoda thunk it?

Problem with trying to apply that to Zorn is that no one even thought he would be a good OC before Snyder chose him. His record as an OC isn't there.

And, the part of his HC job that he seems to be doing the worst at is the OC responsibilities -- designing and calling plays. Based on his record as an HC, he would probably make a better defensive coordinator than an offensive coordinator.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone have Norv T email add?

Posted by: Hire_ShermL | October 8, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Norv's busy F'ing up in San Diego right now. Next season there shouldn't be an availability problem, though.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 8, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I was just reading that Sherm Lewis was having a drink with Greg blache a few weeks ago and Blache left him tickets to the Lions game. They sound like friends.

So, here's my conspiracy theory of the day: Snyder comes to Blache and rather coyly asks, hypothetically of course, "Greg, if I were going to fire Zorn in the middle of the season, and put you in as head coach, what would you do?" Blache scratches his head a minute and says he would hire Sherm Lewis to coach his quarterbacks and he would move Jerry Gray to defensive coordinator letting Steve Jackson coach safeties and corners just to get through the season. Snyder looks at Blache and says, "Do you have Sherm Lewis' email add."?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 8, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

the only real problem in San Diego is the lack of defense. Point at Rivera.

Posted by: pgugino | October 8, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

From the previous post, it was pretty ugly up here, lots and lots of piss and vinegar last night..

me, I'm hopeful that maybe this helps, maybe he adds something, see's something that turns this offense around. That being said, this comment from Sherm:

"I think we're doing the scheme the right way"

Made me spit water through my nose...the follow up question should have been something about 14 points a game, 27th in scoring....but, whateves I guess..

Agreed with this post, gotta, gotta, gotta get MK/DT involved, thats on JZ/JC to make happen....

moe, congrats, 1 down...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Redskins head coaching seems like one awkward blind date after another after another. So, Blache taking over would only further that theory.

Posted by: pgugino | October 8, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

The one knock on MK is that he's a downfield reciever and unfortunately, the current QB rarely throws it that far -- at least with any degree of accuracy.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 8, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly: "I've got to remember this is basically my rookie year, so there's a lot I'm still going through for the first time."

Jason Campbell: ""It's not about egos or anything like that, it's really just about everyone working together and doing everything we can to win,"

Whoever has coached them on making excuses has done the best job of any of the coaches. Maybe their PR guy should coach receivers...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 8, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I fully expect us to get murdered at Carolina.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 8, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone have Buddy R email add?

Posted by: fushezzi | October 8, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Ideally, if it ends up as Holmgren (and I'm STILL saying it should stay Zorn ... turning around a decade of failure takes at LEAST three seasons), then ideally Holmgren would convince Russ Grimm to come to DC as the O-coordinator. Something bigger would need to happen for that to happen, like getting a real GM.

Posted by: dcsween | October 8, 2009 7:56 AM

I agree with you here. Everyone was saying it last year and most of the talking heads seem to agree thast it takes 3 years to implement a new system. Yea, I know, we've all heard this tired excuse before and blah, blah, blah, but if you think you can go from ground and pound to pass oriented in short order you are indeed delusional. I'm not saying that Zorn is the answer. All I'm saying is that constant turnover is not.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

These 3 guys they drafted are a joke. Have to keep focused,giggling in sessions,nothing on the field. Look around the league at the young guys,1st and 2nd year players. It's sickening. Further testimony to the incompetance of Snyderrato. It's all on them.This team is a joke. A sick joke to the people who have supported and loved this franchise for decades.

Posted by: ridgely1 | October 8, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Whoever has coached them on making excuses has done the best job of any of the coaches. Maybe their PR guy should coach receivers...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 8, 2009 8:53 AM |

Sounds like he is.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Vic1,
MK is a downfield receiver? The guy ran a 4.75 second 40 in his tryouts. He is the slowest receiver on the team. He's not a downfield threat and it puzzles me that this team tries to get him deep occasionally. Someone should be coaching this guy up on the short slants, using his body to shield the ball and catching the ball in traffic. If he's going to make it in this league, that is going to be his bread and butter. After he establishes himself as a possession receiver, then maybe they can catch teams offguard with the occasional GO route.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 8, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

The one knock on MK is that he's a downfield reciever and unfortunately, the current QB rarely throws it that far -- at least with any degree of accuracy.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 8, 2009 8:51 AM |

Actually the knock on MK is that he can't beat press man on a consistent basis. Which suggest to me that we should see him in motion more, and hopefully some more bunch formations.

Posted by: TWISI | October 8, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

ridgely1,
A lot of that is just a coach tolerating something that shouldn't be tolerated. If these guys knew they would be running laps for every giggle in the film room, they'd cut that stuff out in a hurry. Zorn has no control of his team. Their lack of discipline on the field translates directly to a lack of discipline in practice... and in the training room.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 8, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

mk, needs to be working the middle of the field, and DT needs to be sent on the go routes....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

mk, needs to be working the middle of the field, and DT needs to be sent on the go routes....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 9:04 AM |

Yea, like go somewhere else.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Sherman Smith is a dolt. The fact that he doesn't fess up to his shortcomings SOLIDIFIES this assessment.

Mike Maske ... eh... not too down w/ that article, but I did like finding out about the Blache connection. Didn't know that.

As far as Zorn-Fail indicating bad FO, wasn't that already established many ways? They couldn't get anyone else, remember? Zoron not panning out is just a high probability. It was from the start.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I think the key to the game might be the first drive. If we can move the ball a little and come away with points, it would be a huge positive. JC17 seems to function best when in a good rhythm, and if we have a few 3-and-outs to start the game, we're in for another high scoring baseball game...

Posted by: mattylight | October 8, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Hey, DT has been open. Soup just can't find him. I don't pin this on the receivers anymore. They may not have the numbers, but I think we've established the QB has some serious problems finding & connecting.

Soup apologists, please desist.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Hey, DT has been open. Soup just can't find him. I don't pin this on the receivers anymore. They may not have the numbers, but I think we've established the QB has some serious problems finding & connecting.

Soup apologists, please desist.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 9:13 AM |

They're all to blame. The WR's, RB's, especially the OLine, the QB and the coaches. To blame this lack of offense on any one unit is ludicrous.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

scamp, good call, lets dump the guy before we actually use him.....

Sounds like good sound practice, did you see where the Browns have dumped their #1 pick from 2004, Winslow, and their #1 pick from 2005, Edwards....lets not do that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Soup apologists, please desist.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

65.3%

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

scamp, good call, lets dump the guy before we actually use him.....

Sounds like good sound practice, did you see where the Browns have dumped their #1 pick from 2004, Winslow, and their #1 pick from 2005, Edwards....lets not do that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 9:18 AM |

It was really just a bad play on words. I actually think we need to get his a$$ on the field more and actually LOOK his way, perhaps even tossing the ball to him occasionally to see if he can actually catch and run. It's real hard to make plays without the ball. He's looked like he might be able to make some things happen when he has the ball.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

al, 27th in scoring, I mean, they stink on offense, lets just all agree to that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

No gamebreakers on offense = no points

Santana is the only one on offense that even comes close to fitting the description.

DC's around the league know to double him, because who else scares you? Portis can't take it to the house anymore, ARE and Kelly are too slow, and Thomas doesn't know where he is on the field.

If you're going to sign Aldridge, put the dude in the game.

You can't coach speed and the Skins need some speedy drives.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 8, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

% be dammed Did you SEE some of those forced & carp throws last game? Did you see the open receivers all over the field in the detroit game that he couldn't find.

I guess desist doesn't mean what it used to. I'm tired of having this argument. Soup was given his final chance this year. I hope he can pull it out. But don't candy coat his performance, ok?

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

They're all to blame. The WR's, RB's, especially the OLine, the QB and the coaches. To blame this lack of offense on any one unit is ludicrous.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse


Thank you! Can we stop the carousel already?

"It's JC! No, it's the Oline! No, it's the receivers! No, it's the play-calling! No, it's the running backs! No, it's Chris Horton!"

When you can make valid arguments to show that every unit and facet of the offense is to blame, you need to cope with reality, step back and admit that your team sucks and they are a bunch of losers.

Admitting this is not giving up on being a fan. It is simply getting past the "denial" stage so that we can now be part of the solution...

...and clearly that solution is yanking Sherm Lewis from bingo games so that he can sit in the booth and not coach.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

They're all to blame. The WR's, RB's, especially the OLine, the QB and the coaches. To blame this lack of offense on any one unit is ludicrous.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse


Thank you! Can we stop the carousel already?

"It's JC! No, it's the Oline! No, it's the receivers! No, it's the play-calling! No, it's the running backs! No, it's Chris Horton!"

When you can make valid arguments to show that every unit and facet of the offense is to blame, you need to cope with reality, step back and admit that your team sucks and they are a bunch of losers.

Admitting this is not giving up on being a fan. It is simply getting past the "denial" stage so that we can now be part of the solution...

...and clearly that solution is yanking Sherm Lewis from bingo games so that he can sit in the booth and not coach.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Did you see the open receivers all over the field in the detroit game that he couldn't find.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 9:25 AM |

No. I think I was distracted by the three interceptions.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

al, 27th in scoring, I mean, they stink on offense, lets just all agree to that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Yes but 15th in passing 21st in rushing, 5 TDs by our QB and the only rushing TD we got was by our punter. Which is the bigger problem, and more important to fix first?
To me, the skins should be a running team, as they have been for ever. Run to win.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

yod, the offense is predictable, and recurring, thats the problem, they're not using all the guys they have, and when things get tight, its Moss/Cooley, same as its been the past 4 years. The predictability lends itself to be easily defended...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

everything, Everything, EVERYTHING ....

Starts with the offensive line.

The offensive line can't run block = no running game. No running game = not as many guys in the box = 5-6 guys covering our 2-3 WRs = JC checking down to Cooley/flat RB.

No pass protection = less time for deep routes to develop = Moss/Kelly not getting as involved.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 8, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Hey, DT has been open. Soup just can't find him. I don't pin this on the receivers anymore. They may not have the numbers, but I think we've established the QB has some serious problems finding & connecting.

Soup apologists, please desist.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 9:13 AM

It's not like the young WRs are never open, but when former players who are on the skins sidelines (Doc Walker, Antonio Freeman) are saying the young WRs getting open on a consistent basis, or getting to their spots soon enough, then I tend to wonder what this staff can do to help that situation out.

Posted by: TWISI | October 8, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

No. I think I was distracted by the three interceptions.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2009 9:27 AM |

That was the Tampa game.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Drives aren't the porblem, people, finishing is. 3rd down d is.

And Portis looked great last week so STFU.

(Granted, I wish he'da pushed that extra yard on the 1st down try)

And y'all know what i think about how he's being de-constructed. And y'all are marching right in goose step there.... lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

mistamayor

"...the Panthers' preference is for a smashmouth offense in which running backs DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart chew up yardage behind a strong line."

So this means you go with a deep and steady tackle rotation.

If I'm the panthers, I come out in double tight end sets, and run straight at Andre Carter with a fullback on the lookout for Fletch.

This game will be a man's game where tackling and hitting will last 60 mins.

Play Landry close to the line, press Steve Smit with D Hall, and dare Jake Delhomme to throw his way.

The 'experts' say the skins will lose.

I say skins v. panthers actually plays into our hands as it's a NFC East style, 'stop the run' and you stop the panthers game.

Prince Al: this week, you get to earn your check.

Let's be optimistic: this week a 17-14 win makes sense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 8, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

There's no debate.

He's a lousy QB. Period.

You can replace O-linemen, RBs, even WRs, it doesn't matter.

He's garbage. I'm bored with seeing the freaks on here defending him like he was their frigging father or something.

Drop it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 8, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

It's not like the young WRs are never open, but when former players who are on the skins sidelines (Doc Walker, Antonio Freeman) are saying the young WRs getting open on a consistent basis, or getting to their spots soon enough, then I tend to wonder what this staff can do to help that situation out.

Posted by: TWISI | October 8, 2009 9:29 AM |

Where are they saying this?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

DAN SNYDER WOULD RATHER LOSE THAN NOT BE IN CONTROL! That is the bottom line!

Posted by: Redskins001

Sad but true. Some people would rather drive a Yugo than ride shotgun in a Ferrari.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 8, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Ugh, enough on Kelly and DT. We got a guy better than both of them riding the pine.

If Sherm Lewis does one thing here,I hope it's to convince Zorn to give Marko more PT. And Aldridge too.

Posted by: McMetal | October 8, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

al, "they should be a running team because they have been forever".......I'm gonna say this as clearly as I can....

Until they become a team that can pass, and do so successfully, to multiple receivers, they wont do ANYTHING on offense. They're scoring 2 touchdowns a game....2...a....game....this is 2007, 2008, all over again....

stop with the 'they were a running team so they should be a running team'...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

And Portis looked great last week so STFU.

(Granted, I wish he'da pushed that extra yard on the 1st down try)

And y'all know what i think about how he's being de-constructed. And y'all are marching right in goose step there.... lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse


4th game into the year, CP26 gained 62 whole yards against an atrocious 0-4 team, and you are fawning over how great he looked...oh, how the mighty have fallen...

I thank CP26 for the many great years of rushing he gave us. Now it's absolutely time to phase his prima-donna arse out of the game plan.

He's not explosive, he's got bum ankles, and he's looking more and more like Shaun Alexander at the line of scrimmage when he takes contact.

CP26 hasn't delivered a ring to this frnchise. 5 years and these guys have notched 1 playoff victory?

I agree with Doc Walker - They are ALL replaceable, because NONE of them have won anything for you.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

LMAO. Did you notice that Jason Reid is wearing the same outfit in the video clip pic as he is in the pic of him next to the blog name at the top of the screen. Hasn't had a change of clothes in 6 months. Been too busy making up fresh stuff for his posts to go shopping. Heh, heh.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 8, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

DAN SNYDER WOULD RATHER LOSE THAN NOT BE IN CONTROL!

Posted by: Redskins001

Sad but true.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 8, 2009 9:32 AM

No, that's not right. Dan Snyder wants to win, and he wants to win his way. His theme is the Sinatra song "I did it my way." He has to have control in order to show the world what a football genius he is.

So far, his plan's not working. But, in his mind, wait 'til next year...

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Where are they saying this?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:32 AM

On the John Thompson show. Also I heard Chick Hernandez on the Sports Reporter said that in the Rams game there was a fade pattern called and MK got jammed so hard at the LOS he ended up on his back. Like Scamp and pfunk have said, it's the whole team. However they do hae time to turn things around.

Posted by: TWISI | October 8, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

al, "they should be a running team because they have been forever".......I'm gonna say this as clearly as I can....

Until they become a team that can pass, and do so successfully, to multiple receivers, they wont do ANYTHING on offense. They're scoring 2 touchdowns a game....2...a....game....this is 2007, 2008, all over again....

stop with the 'they were a running team so they should be a running team'...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Not too mention that a "running team" suggests they have a powerful oline and effective running backs. We have the furthest thing from a powerful oline and CP and Betts have proven to be ineffective. We don't know about Mason or Alridge because although the are on the roster and have taken turns being active they have gotten zero opportunities while our brilliant coach pounds away a hurt and ineffective CP.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 8, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

4th game into the year, CP26 gained 62 whole yards against an atrocious 0-4 team, and you are fawning over how great he looked...oh, how the mighty have fallen...

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 9:36 AM

62 yards? What game were you watching? He had 98
4 TB W 16-13 25 98 3.9 10 0

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"And y'all know what i think about how he's being de-constructed. And y'all are marching right in goose step there.... lol"

And you've done nothing to convince us that this is true, so mostly you get dismissed as an idiot.....

You claim 3 guys were brought in to undermine him, but have yet to give anyone details on who these 3 guys are.

CP didn't practice all week, but got 25 carries, and according to multiple sources is out of shape, but the team is undermining him.......Right......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Did you see the open receivers all over the field in the TAMPA game that he couldn't find.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 9:25 AM |

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2009 9:27 AM |

That was the Tampa game.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:30 AM |

Thanks, scamp. I've made the correction to dik's post.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Great CP looked good finally, the run game still look like s*** in the other 3 games and no rb outside Portis has done much. We're averaging 100 yards a game and 20% of that comes from the QB. You want to see this team win, you get the run game on track.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

On the John Thompson show. Also I heard Chick Hernandez on the Sports Reporter said that in the Rams game there was a fade pattern called and MK got jammed so hard at the LOS he ended up on his back. Like Scamp and pfunk have said, it's the whole team. However they do hae time to turn things around.

Posted by: TWISI | October 8, 2009 9:38 AM

Interesting. I wonder if this is true why haven't the coaches impressed upon Campbell to look their way first.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

"...you need to cope with reality, step back and admit that your team sucks and they are a bunch of losers."

Ouch!

Kinda harsh.

I don't believe the redskins team is comprised of a bunch of losers.

I do believe it's an old team populated with some young guys who are not living up to their draft status.

I do believe its head coach seems somewhat over his head, especially when it comes to overall game management.

Right now, the team is what it is: underachieving and directionless.

And that's what sucks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 8, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Anyone read mike wise piece?  He just threw in that danny boy and vinny “avoid Sherman smith like the swine flu”….WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA did RI ever report this?

Posted by: dealer1 | October 8, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

4th game into the year, CP26 gained 62 whole yards against an atrocious 0-4 team, and you are fawning over how great he looked...oh, how the mighty have fallen...

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 9:36 AM

62 yards? What game were you watching? He had 98
4 TB W 16-13 25 98 3.9 10 0

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse


I was obviously watching the wrong stat-line on NFL.com

Though my core argument still stands...

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

how do you hire a guy that from the bingo room? just put in collins and kelly and thomas will be fine.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | October 8, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

how do you hire a guy that from the bingo room? just put in collins and kelly and thomas will be fine.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | October 8, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

al, no rb has been given carries outside of portis....thats on the coach's....this is 2008 all over again...they're gonna ride CP until he breaks, then there is no counter move, there is no secondary plan...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Ugh, enough on Kelly and DT. We got a guy better than both of them riding the pine.

If Sherm Lewis does one thing here,I hope it's to convince Zorn to give Marko more PT. And Aldridge too.

Posted by: McMetal | October 8, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Amen brother. I've been wishing for this as well. But I have no confidence that anything will change this week in Charlotte.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 8, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I was obviously watching the wrong stat-line on NFL.com

Though my core argument still stands...

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 9:43 AM |

Running is a team wide responsibility.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Bean,

Not talking strategy, play-calling etc.

I'm talking playmakers. Players who can make drives only last 2-3 plays.

Santana is the only guy on offense that seems capable of that right now.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 8, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Did you see the open receivers all over the field in the detroit game that he couldn't find.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 9:25 AM |

No. I think I was distracted by the three interceptions.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2009 9:27 AM |

You ain't going to see open receivers all over the field unless you was there in Det for the game. TV doesn't provide that kind of panoramic view. And as far as the three ints go, that was the TB game, not Det.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 8, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Scamp - was just double checkin' the #'s lol. Yeah, p1funk's off.

I concede outta shape, depressed, lost burst (to a degree) - but he's still better than most of the roster.

He is being marginalized for no reason other than coarching hubris.

I'm not advocating run-first or run-dominant. WCO functions on the opposite. But the 4 RB treatment is a slap in the face for what I see as obvious reasons.

Alex, was it CPo looking like shti? or Coarch & Line?! That's what I saw. CPo looked great on his first carry of the season and then was fully dissed, including hiring another cast-off RB.


T_E - I didn't see it so much in the Tampa game (don't know if it was true or not). But there were two receiving TDs, so props there to Soup). Someone on Extremem Skins posted pics of the Detroit game where Soup was ignoring open guys.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

mrredskin21

"He's (Jason Campbell) a lousy QB. Period."


Yeah, I know.

It's been 5 years now and the lights still haven't come on.

Maybe he belongs in another house.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 8, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I also love the mindset that MM is the answer...guy tore it up against some current UPS drivers, and a couple of practice squadders, but he's the answer....how good is that gonna look when he gets the same number of catches as ARE/DT/MK did last week??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Great CP looked good finally, the run game still look like s*** in the other 3 games and no rb outside Portis has done much. We're averaging 100 yards a game and 20% of that comes from the QB. You want to see this team win, you get the run game on track.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse


CP looked nothing resembling "good" in the game I watched. It took him 25 carries to get 98 yards. Rarshard Mendenhall in his first career start against a better defense got 192 yards and 2 TDs on 28 carries. More impressively late in the fourth when they knew he'd be running he ripped of runs of 7, 12, and 14. Meanwhile CP longest run against a crap defense was 10 yards and he couldn't even get to 100 yards on 25 carries. He did not look "good" he looked old, slow, and like a plodder who fell down in his own shadow once not even slipping or tripping on anything, and didn't break a single tackle all day. He looked terrible I thought, and I stand by the question of way Mason gets 1 carry makes a nice move and gets 9 yards and gets only one other carry.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 8, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

srry Alex - I misread your post. Other RBs offer minimal help. However - I DID like Betts' screen production vs. Bucs.

btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXgwBsfKzbo&feature=sub

hehehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Can someone fill me in on the giggling in the film room references? Was it Kelly?

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 8, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is the problem. He didn't complete a pass to ANY WR except Moss against the Bucs. AND he tried to throw a fade to Kelly in the end zone against the Rams, but the ball drifted out of bounds, and he had an easy TD pass to Kelly down the sideline on the first play of the game that was grossly underthrown. Campbell is a second rate QB that can make any Wide Receiver look bad. He'll be a backup somewhere else next year just like Brunell, Frerotte and Ramsey after they left the Skins. We're never going anywhere with second or third tier talent at the QB position.

Posted by: saqster | October 8, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

This blog has become more mindless and less intuitive than extremeskins. The lack of logic displayed by what have normally been well grounded individuals is somewhat appalling to me. Somewhat.

Oh well. We'll see what the tune is like next week.

Posted by: psps23 | October 8, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

These guys are 43-53 in the last 5 years.

By definition they are losers.

Let's start calling them winners when they start winning consistently.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Can someone fill me in on the giggling in the film room references? Was it Kelly?

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 8, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Fred Sleepy Davis

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 8, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

People get off the blame rat wheel:

Scamp's statement summed it best and really in mind sort has a chilling effect on the conversation:

"They're all to blame. The WR's, RB's, especially the OLine, the QB and the coaches. To blame this lack of offense on any one unit is ludicrous."

The fact is all your agenda/arguments have merit b/c the problems are everywhere.

Pick a new topic like: Why is Carter starting, move Orakpo to his spot and have Wilson in Orakpos.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 8, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

He is being marginalized for no reason other than coarching hubris.

I'm not advocating run-first or run-dominant. WCO functions on the opposite. But the 4 RB treatment is a slap in the face for what I see as obvious reasons.

How, how is he being marginalized?? Tell me how a guy who doesn't practice, but then gets 25 carries a game is being marginalized??

They have 5 rb's on the roster, COMBINED the other running backs have 13 carries.

just STOP with this assininity ds...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I was obviously watching the wrong stat-line on NFL.com

Though my core argument still stands...

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 9:43 AM |

Running is a team wide responsibility.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse


I'm advocating an overhaul of the team.

An important step in that direction is acknowledging that the "sacred cows" on this roster should no longer be untouchable.

For too long much has been made about CP's special status, special friendship with the owner, rich contracts, and his prima-donna attitude.

Bottom line: The guy's never won a rushing title; never won an MVP; never led this team into any real playoff contention.

But every year he wants (and gets) the king's treatment.

Let's stop it already...

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Ugh, enough on Kelly and DT. We got a guy better than both of them riding the pine.

If Sherm Lewis does one thing here,I hope it's to convince Zorn to give Marko more PT. And Aldridge too.

Posted by: McMetal | October 8, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Amen brother. I've been wishing for this as well. But I have no confidence that anything will change this week in Charlotte.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 8, 2009 9:45 AM |

Let's be honest. We don't actually KNOW that he is better. We just suspect.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

If you're going to sign Aldridge, put the dude in the game...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 8, 2009 9:22 AM

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Now...

I've pondered this whole "Aldridge hyped up as a change of pace back who is brought in, let go, brought back in, and then made to sit on the sideline" scenario.

Aldridge is the hope for this team, and hope is an illusion, one designed to deflect attention from the here and now.

As long as he's on one knee on the sideline during games, we can point to him and say ,"Look, there's hope. We do have a speedy back."

Put hope in the game behind our pathetic OL and watch hope get squashed and then hope is not alive, hope is dead and then what?

We need Aldridge like we needed Obama as the candidate we could believe in.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Pick a new topic like: Why is Carter starting, move Orakpo to his spot and have Wilson in Orakpos.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 8, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I have been arguing for Orakpo to have his hand in the dirt since day one. I disagree on benching Carter, he seems the only one right now that can get consistent pressure. I'd like to see Carter stay where he is and Orakpo take over Daniels spot with Jarmon as the primary back up. Start him out against RTs instead of LTs and then next year he can shift to Carter's spot and Jarmon can take over his spot. Daniels has been totally ineffective, got juked out of his shorts by Bradshaw in the first game and with Haynesworth and Griffen we out to be able to hold up against the run even with two lighter ends. You can't tell me that Rak can't hold the point of attack better than Jason Taylor......

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 8, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Pick a new topic like: Why is Carter starting, move Orakpo to his spot and have Wilson in Orakpos.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 8, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse


I see this happening if we get an uncapped year.

Carter is dead-weight, and I think they are delightfully surprised at how Wilson has picked up the SAM spot.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

That's a good topic, cL, but here's one with a little broader focus: will our defense be able to get off the field on third downs against a weak Carolina offense?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Sad but true.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 8, 2009 9:32 AM

No, that's not right. Dan Snyder wants to win, and he wants to win his way. His theme is the Sinatra song "I did it my way." He has to have control in order to show the world what a football genius he is.

So far, his plan's not working. But, in his mind, wait 'til next year...

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We all know Dan Snyder wants to win. The point is he would RATHER be in control and lose than hand the keys over to a GM and win. He's enjoyed tinkering with a mediocre team for 9 out of 10 years, with one aberration during the Marty S year.

It'd be nice to have both control and success, but it's pretty clear Dan S. can't have the cake and eat it too. Maybe he'll evolve to the point where he can enjoy the success of watching a GM make the right moves on his behalf. Eh...that won't happen.

By the way, thanks for butchering my post.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 8, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

That's a good topic, cL, but here's one with a little broader focus: will our defense be able to get off the field on third downs against a weak Carolina offense?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

If not, God help us.

Posted by: mattylight | October 8, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

P1,
In the end I am all for an overhaul, and no one on offense (except Cooley) is worth working to keep. Its just a question of do we have any faith that this owner and GM could pull it off?

I don't, so now what do we do?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm advocating an overhaul of the team.

An important step in that direction is acknowledging that the "sacred cows" on this roster should no longer be untouchable.

For too long much has been made about CP's special status, special friendship with the owner, rich contracts, and his prima-donna attitude.

Bottom line: The guy's never won a rushing title; never won an MVP; never led this team into any real playoff contention.

But every year he wants (and gets) the king's treatment.

Let's stop it already...

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 9:57 AM |

I'm sure you mean overhaul of the offense. The overhaul of the defense is well under way.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

That's a good topic, cL, but here's one with a little broader focus: will our defense be able to get off the field on third downs against a weak Carolina offense?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse


Skins simply need to stack against the run. Plain and simple.

Force the game in DelHomey's hands and roll the dice. He's not clicked with his receivers yet at all.

Hopefully he'll go Crazy Cajun and serve up some extra pickles.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Pick a new topic like: Why is Carter starting, move Orakpo to his spot and have Wilson in Orakpos.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 8, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I have been arguing for Orakpo to have his hand in the dirt since day one. I disagree on benching Carter, he seems the only one right now that can get consistent pressure. I'd like to see Carter stay where he is and Orakpo take over Daniels spot with Jarmon as the primary back up. Start him out against RTs instead of LTs and then next year he can shift to Carter's spot and Jarmon can take over his spot. Daniels has been totally ineffective, got juked out of his shorts by Bradshaw in the first game and with Haynesworth and Griffen we out to be able to hold up against the run even with two lighter ends. You can't tell me that Rak can't hold the point of attack better than Jason Taylor......

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 8, 2009 9:59 AM |

Amen.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

CL,
I said a while ago that I wish the team would go after ol man Brooks and move 98 to starting DE.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

chrislarry

"Pick a new topic like: Why is Carter starting? Move Orakpo to his spot and have Wilson in Orakpo's."


That's a plan.

But I go anuther question: if the FO had secret plans to turn Chris Wilson into a strongside 'backer, why did they draft Orakpo?


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 8, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure you mean overhaul of the offense. The overhaul of the defense is well under way.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse


Yes, that is mostly what I mean.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

An important step in that direction is acknowledging that the "sacred cows" on this roster should no longer be untouchable.

For too long much has been made about CP's special status, special friendship with the owner, rich contracts, and his prima-donna attitude.

Bottom line: The guy's never won a rushing title; never won an MVP; never led this team into any real playoff contention.

But every year he wants (and gets) the king's treatment.

Let's stop it already...

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 9:57 AM |

Never gonna change so you're wasting your breath.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

P1,
In the end I am all for an overhaul, and no one on offense (except Cooley) is worth working to keep. Its just a question of do we have any faith that this owner and GM could pull it off?

I don't, so now what do we do?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse


We'll see.

This fiasco is Vinny's doing. Much was made of his post-Gibbs promotion and how he was the key architect of the team. The Zorn/WCO installment was, by all accounts, his call. The underacheiving trio of pass-cathcers were his picks.

If Danny can step back for a moment and see that it is Vinny (not just Zorn) that is making him look like a total donkey, perhaps (just perhaps), he'll finally pull the plug; get some real football people in here; and step away.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

But I go anuther question: if the FO had secret plans to turn Chris Wilson into a strongside 'backer, why did they draft Orakpo?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 8, 2009 10:06 AM |

I think this notion of drafting players so high and then moving them out of their natural position (ie Landry and Orakpo) is extremely stupid. Drafting BPA and them moving him to place of need doesn't make sense. You either draft the best player available OR for need. Square peg, round hole. So dam stupid.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

why can no one spell Anthony Alridge's last name correctly? Where did AlDridge come from? There is no D. Weird that so many people can't get his name right.

Anyone else find it funny that day in and day out, the topic of discussion up here never changes? I dream of the day that we all discuss how dominant the team looked and how great they're playing. Although, even then, I suspect people would come out of their holes to relentlessly badmouth their one hated player. That'll never end, haha

Posted by: --swb | October 8, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

You've got figure that Zorn is now screwed no matter what happens from here on out.

If the offense turns things around and starts clicking in the next couple weeks, then people will inevitably point to Sherm Lewis's addition as the reason for improvement.

If the offense doesn't click, then the verdict will be that not even Sherm lewis could help turn around Zorn's failed project.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

This blog has become more mindless and less intuitive than extremeskins. The lack of logic displayed by what have normally been well grounded individuals is somewhat appalling to me. Somewhat.

Oh well. We'll see what the tune is like next week.

Posted by: psps23

Losing (and winning ugly) causes the Great Unwashed to go online and push the panic button on this blog. It's sort of like therapy for the the double-wide crowd. There are a couple posters that consistently say things that actually matter and make sense. (I'm not necessarily including myself in that group because I wig out every now and then.) After games, though, a large percentage start talking about firing the entire team and scouting for free agents and next year's draft picks after week 2.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 8, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

"Put hope in the game behind our pathetic OL and watch hope get squashed and then hope is not alive, hope is dead and then what?"

Sign more "hope" in FA.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 8, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

But I go anuther question: if the FO had secret plans to turn Chris Wilson into a strongside 'backer, why did they draft Orakpo?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 8, 2009 10:06 AM |

Wilson was in the middle of making the transition when they started scouting Orakpo.

I think they probably viewed Wilson as a project or a back-up, but I remember reading in training camp that the coaches were delightfully surprised at how quickly and effectively he made the transition.

Go figure! Good news and a bright spot!

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

If the offense turns things around and starts clicking in the next couple weeks, then people will inevitably point to Sherm Lewis's addition as the reason for improvement.

If the offense doesn't click, then the verdict will be that not even Sherm lewis could help turn around Zorn's failed project.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 10:13 AM |

I said this same thing (almost) when the hire was announced. Except it's really Vinny's failed project. I just wish the power that be would see this.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo with 2 sacks in his first 4 games (to go along with a forced INT due to pressure, which came off a blitz from the SLB position), plays more snaps than anybody on the defensive line as a result of his LB move, I think it's working out well so far.

Posted by: psps23 | October 8, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

p1funk - I'm hoping that happens, if we miss the playoffs and bring in a new HC/QB. The good news is, at least we have started to bring in a lot of young guys the past few years. So who gets the boot after this year?

R. Thomas - byebye. Draft a RG in the 2nd round or make it our big FA pickup.
Andre Carter/Phillip Daniels - not producing enough, too old. Move Orakpo into RDE and Wilson at LB, pickup another end or have Alexander start.
Smoot - restructure, moved down to 4th on the depth chart.
Rock - no explosiveness.
Yoder - end of the road-er. Davis is 2nd TE for better or worse.
Wynn - pointless.

Portis - I think he should be traded for a draft pick, although no one seems to think thats possible.

If JC doesn't produce this year, hell be gone too...and well be looking to trade up for Locker, or well take Tebow way too high.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 8, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Still a great read:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d813163b0&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: OMFG | October 8, 2009 8:11 AM

I just read it and it was far from a great read.

The article was the equivelent of FOX News. One sided and blinded by reality on the ground.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 8, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

jarmon needs to play more, Alexander needs to play more, dt needs to return kicks, they need to blitz the crap out of jd this weekend....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Except it's really Vinny's failed project. I just wish the power that be would see this.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse


Hopefully he will.

I know Danny is loyal to his yes-men, but even Danny must have limits as to how badly his ego/reputation can get beat up.

This Sherm Lewis hiring smacks of desperation on Vinny's account as much as anyone - a last-ditch effort to bring in a "West Coast" guy to turn things around and show Danny that his idea wasn't a bad one (to bring in WCO), just that Zorn couldn't really pull it off.

For the greater good of the team, my honest hope is that the team continues to tank. People continue to batter Snyder; and he eats enough humble pie to finally finally show Vinny the door and start from scratch.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo with 2 sacks in his first 4 games (to go along with a forced INT due to pressure, which came off a blitz from the SLB position), plays more snaps than anybody on the defensive line as a result of his LB move, I think it's working out well so far.

Posted by: psps23 | October 8, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse


Agreed. last game he also blew up with 7 tackles and 1 tackle for a loss.

It's nice to see someone/something on this team actually improve as time goes on...

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"For the greater good of the team, my honest hope is that the team continues to tank. People continue to batter Snyder; and he eats enough humble pie to finally finally show Vinny the door and start from scratch"

Wow....um.....nope....yeah, thats just....wow...I got nothing....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

p1funk,
You're absolutely right. I think Charlie Casserly called the Sherm Lewis addition the "kiss of death" for Jim Zorn. At this point, he's just keeping the seat warm for the next coach.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 8, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

BG:

Jarmon and Alexander were in heavy rotation last week, they are far from riding the pine. Maybe not on the stat sheet, but when you watch you see them on the field a lot.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 8, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Reality, she is a fickle mistress, always wanting things to make herself feel better about herself.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I stand by my statement that Lewis's addition is as bad a sign for Vinny as it is for Zorn.

Lewis will probably reach the same assessment we all have about not just play calling but all the personnel problems we all see.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

25 carries was just in this last game. And he did great.

As soon as someone has a better option than CPo at the RB, I'm all ears. So go get a guy who was in the top 4 last year and put him on the field.

You're angry about 'star treatment'. I'm fine with that. End the star treatment. He wants to play and when he does, he produces. Why do you have a problem with that?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

dt needs to return kicks....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 10:18 AM

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This topic has already been debated and we are content to have Rock Cartwright return one kickoff for a TD every three years or so.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

p1funk - I'm hoping that happens, if we miss the playoffs and bring in a new HC/QB. The good news is, at least we have started to bring in a lot of young guys the past few years. So who gets the boot after this year?

R. Thomas - byebye. Draft a RG in the 2nd round or make it our big FA pickup.
Andre Carter/Phillip Daniels - not producing enough, too old. Move Orakpo into RDE and Wilson at LB, pickup another end or have Alexander start.
Smoot - restructure, moved down to 4th on the depth chart.
Rock - no explosiveness.
Yoder - end of the road-er. Davis is 2nd TE for better or worse.
Wynn - pointless.

Portis - I think he should be traded for a draft pick, although no one seems to think thats possible.

If JC doesn't produce this year, hell be gone too...and well be looking to trade up for Locker, or well take Tebow way too high.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 8, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse


I think Rhino seems to be doing OK at RG.

Frankly, we need to draft/bring in tackles. Heyer looks like a backup. Mike Williams is a joke. Chris Samuels is our best lineman at 36 years old, yikes!

Rock - gone.

Betts - maybe gone too.

CP - hopefully gone, we will NEVER get a pick for him

Andre Carter - gone

Wynn - gone

Daniels stays but plays backup b/c he's Blache's boy and they need a veteran lockeroom leader/presence.

I like Yoder. He does all the dirty work you need in a TE - blocks, plays on teams.

Fred Davis is a mistake. Maybe get a low-round draft pick for him if anyone would bite.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I am pro-Orakpo and agree he has played well. My comment was not a slam on him, I think the jury is out on new position/out of position deal. I see both sides of that. I was simply trying to till some fresh soil....

I am not a big carter fan however and I do think Orakpo could hold down that position, with the added nuance of lining up at LB on various packages. With Wilson taking to the swith it seems to me the future is Jarmon for Daniels, Orakpo for Carter and Wilson at SLB. So why can't the future start now?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 8, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

cl, I was basing it on the Playing Time stats that the Times puts out:

DEFENSE (57 snaps)

DL: Andre Carter 50, Albert Haynesworth 45, Kedric Golston 31, Cornelius Griffin 28, Phillip Daniels 21, Jeremy Jarmon 11, Lorenzo Alexander 7

seems like based on that, Jarmon needs to get more time...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I think you can look at the Sherm Lewis hiring from a ton of different angles, most of which everyone here has already discussed. I probably missed the discussion, but I think there are two scenarios that are interesting.

The first is that Dan and Vinny feel like the defense is going to be alright. They also feel like if they can just score one more TD every single game, they'll be winning a lot more consistently. And, they're close to scoring that one more TD per game as evidenced by their many unsuccessful trips to the red zone. So, by bringing in Sherm Lewis, they feel like he can figure out the red zone scoring problem, get them into the end zone, and get the team on the right track.

The second scenario, one that's a lot less likely but always possible with the Skins FO, is that Dan has already made up his mind that he's getting rid of Zorn ASAP. But, he knows that he can't fire Zorn until he has people in place to take over his many job duties. So, he brought in Sherm Lewis to get a feel for the offense and, after three of four games, will fire Zorn, promote Blache to interim head coach, and let Sherm Lewis call the plays. One of the D position coaches would slide up to D coordinator, Chris Meidt would take over as QB coach, and you're set. Again, not likely, but you never know

Posted by: --swb | October 8, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I know this is slightly crazy but it could be crazy like a fox. What do you guys think of a 3-4 with.

NT-Albert Haynesworth
LDE-Phil Daniels
RDE-Renaldo Wynn

ROLB-Brian Orakpo
RILB-London Fletcher
LIB-Rocky McIntosh
LOLB-Jeremy Jarmon

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 8, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I like Yoder. He does all the dirty work you need in a TE - blocks, plays on teams.

Fred Davis is a mistake. Maybe get a low-round draft pick for him if anyone would bite.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 10:27 AM |

Yoder pulled the ole on the xp block.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

p1funk will be blind stricken from staring at bright spots.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

But I go anuther question: if the FO had secret plans to turn Chris Wilson into a strongside 'backer, why did they draft Orakpo?

Posted by: MistaMoe

Moe, the plan was no secret. There were articles written about Wilson's conversion all summer long. The coaching staff has always had doubts about Wilson's ability to convert to a SS LB. Orakpo's time spent at LB has always been explained as a "best eleven on the field" thing. I think the team has slept on CWilson's talent. He's a natural pass rusher that could be used in third down situations as a Charles Haley type player. I also think Carter has compromising pics of Blache hidden somewhere.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 8, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The Sherm Lewis hiring is basically saying that Sherman Smith can't cut it as the offensive coordinator and that Vinny has no confidence that Zorn can get things fixed on offense ('kiss of death' to quote Charlie Casserly). I always thought that Zorn should have hired an experienced O-Coordinator familiar with the West Coast offense (like a Sherm Lewis or Mike Sherman) to help him with the playcalling. This would have allowed Zorn to go through some of the growing pains of being a new headcoach and to work directly with Campbell.

If anyone noticed about Jim Schultz in Detroit, he hired Scott Linehan who had been a head coach to be his O-Coordinator. This took a lot of the pressure off of him to focus more on the big picture of the team and not worrying about calling the plays.

I think part of Zorn's downfall will be his inability to delegate responsibilities to his assistants on the offensive side. If Lewis can't help him smooth out the kinks in the West Coast offense, I think he's going to be gone by the bye week and Blatche will finish out the season as the head coach with Lewis as his O-Coordinator.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 8, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

know this is slightly crazy but it could be crazy like a fox. What do you guys think of a 3-4 with.

NT-Albert Haynesworth
LDE-Phil Daniels
RDE-Renaldo Wynn

ROLB-Brian Orakpo
RILB-London Fletcher
LIB-Rocky McIntosh
LOLB-Jeremy Jarmon

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 8, 2009 10:29 AM

Why would you put Wynn in ANYTHING?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

ds, still waiting to hear how he is being marginalized.....or can we agree that was just bull-crap right from the start??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I do like the 3-4 alignment, sans the old guys, Daniels and Wynn.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Why would you put Wynn in ANYTHING?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Because he's the closest we have to another 3-4 DE. I'd rather pick someone else up though. I actually think Phil Daniels would fit that DE role really well. He is very big and very strong. My other concern would be if AH can be a 3-4 NT.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 8, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

p1funk,

yup, that's 62 yards with 8 and 9 in the box on over 60% of 1st and 2nd downs...with the D knowing that a run was coming, because Campbell CAN'T (or worse WON'T) get it done to be enough of a credible passing threat to make opposing Ds believe for a second that when the game is close or on the line that JC will be able to hit a receiver.

Again, I put that on Coach Zorn for not benching JC for a game (at least) to see if that could generate a spark.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | October 8, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Beaner - I've showed OVER and OVER how he was marginalized. Do I need to re-post everything for you?!?

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I sincerely hope that Sherman Lewis is here to make adjustments and that Zorn will incorporate them immediately.

Zorn's Offensive results stinks the joint up, but will he really stuff his pride and institute Sherman's suggestion to the Gameplan?

I said before that I thought Zorn was smart, but will his pride make him resist any changes to his Gameplan by Mr. Lewis.

If he accepts and inputs suggestions from Lewis, then he might prove to be a lot smarter than he is stubborn.

I hope so.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 8, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

ORakpo is great with his hand in the ground..

HOWEVER...

He has not been good at all as a LB. He gets shock. The other team consistently connects in his zone. And he hasn't been able to run with most in man coverage.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 8, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I meant shooked by those jukes of the RBs...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 8, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Why would you put Wynn in ANYTHING?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Because he's the closest we have to another 3-4 DE. I'd rather pick someone else up though. I actually think Phil Daniels would fit that DE role really well. He is very big and very strong. My other concern would be if AH can be a 3-4 NT.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 8, 2009 10:34 AM

I would put Griffen or the one man gang in there before Wynn. It's a moot point though (I think). To me, and this is just my perception, but the 4-3 is better suited to the NFC East.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Redskins are an entertaining comedy act; barrels and barrels of laughs.

The Two Shermans, Dan Snyder, Vinny Cerrato, Jim Zen, and one drooling QB.

And then there's the cantankerous old fella, played by Greg Blache.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, tu eres gracioso.

Posted by: rgj21 | October 8, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Change Wynn with carter and you might have something.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 8, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

ds, please do, and make it legit, and valid, not this, 4 rb's on the roster bullcrap that you pull from your orifices...give me valid information to back up what you're selling, otherwise take that 'stuff' outta here...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand how Kelly, Davis, and Thomas cannot get open? This is their craft they have played all their lives? If they can't produce play Marko Mitchell

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | October 8, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Nice! mission accomplished, new topics!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 8, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

agreed 4th - how is that Orakpo's fault?

Also agreed that Sherm Smith is prolly facing the most pressure here. He sux anyway, as if we didn't kno....

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

and all this talk of security blankets and accountability, and fresh sets of eyes (rolling.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

WizFan89,

I too can see that scenario playing out.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 8, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

all you are now on the right track....our offensive problems are across the board and have been for 10yrs..... my stance is thats more on the players than on the coach or coaches... that is also been consistant for the last 10yrs ...we have had proven offensive coaches and systems but lack playmakers.....playmakers are your QB, rb's, wr's and returners, pr and kr...tell me outside of moss who is capable of making a play with the ball in thier hands.... i thought so no one....all other nfl calibur offenses have guys making plays week in and week out...I watch lots of other games and i am sure you do to plays are being made everywhere by guys, some of which my only be around a short while, others my be on thier way to stardom...my point is we continue to roll with guys who have proven over the years that they can not make a play (Portis/Betts, El,insert other 3rd WR name, rock.... You may now include Campbell as our latest failure at qb...Hopefully the bingo caller will tell snyder you scheme is sound , but your players suck...

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 8, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Yoder pulled the ole on the xp block.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse


That's too bad. Didn't see it. Was listening on the radio in the car at that point.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Change Wynn with carter and you might have something.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 8, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Hmm, what about maybe Lorenzo Alexander? I don't know it just seems like we have such a variable pool of talent in the front 7 that we could maybe pull off either scheme. How cool would it be to come out in a 4-3 on first and second down then go onto a 3-4 on third down?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 8, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

originaloldschool is my dawg.....whatever he says.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 8, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

When the Skins have a real, NFL-calibre receivers coach, maybe we'll finally begin to see not only production, but real development from the wideouts. Hopefully, Sherman Lewis can add something there. Lord knows Stan Hixon should've been shown the door years ago.

Posted by: Carl739 | October 8, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse


Malcolm Kelly:

Two years, nine catches less than 100 yards. More surgeris than TDs,

Some one needs to translate Receiverspeak into English.

What does "things I have to focus in on with my route running" mean? Does it mean, like, throw in some fakes? Try to get open? Run the correct route? Raise your hand when you're open. Talk about the DB's Mama to get him upset?

Focus Schmokus. Get open, catch the ball. Score a TD.

Three 2nd round receivers. Almost Zero production. Nice drafting Vinny.

Posted by: TheCork | October 8, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Hmm, what about maybe Lorenzo Alexander? I don't know it just seems like we have such a variable pool of talent in the front 7 that we could maybe pull off either scheme. How cool would it be to come out in a 4-3 on first and second down then go onto a 3-4 on third down?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 8, 2009 10:41 AM |

That's what I said, the one man gang.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

WR-TE-WR.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

your QB, rb's, wr's and returners, pr and kr...tell me outside of moss who is capable of making a play with the ball in thier hands....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 8, 2009 10:40 AM

Cooley is the only other one I can think of.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I used to like JC, I have been waiting for him to break out. But this last game was the end. We need to get rid of him. Bench him, put in Collins and see what happens. Chase Daniel where are you?

Posted by: LARZ2 | October 8, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

DS - Not his fault he isn't doing well as a LB. I always thought he should be a DE. Before and after we drafted him.

He'll need to bulk up in the offseason. PDaniels said he weighed 245 lbs. coming into the league and they (Seattle) wanted him to convet to LB. But he wasn't trying to do all that. SO he eventually bulked up.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 8, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

chrislarry,

Good stuff! Unfortunately, I would bet this blog will slowly morph back into a "Who is to blame for the offense" or "Is JC the worst QB ever" or other topics that have been beaten into the ground over and over and over again...my head hurts

Posted by: mattylight | October 8, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Jason "No Fake Pump" Campbell.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

DeSean Jackson, Jordy Nelson, Percy Harvin.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Hey, DT has been open. Soup just can't find him. I don't pin this on the receivers anymore. They may not have the numbers, but I think we've established the QB has some serious problems finding & connecting.

Soup apologists, please desist.

Posted by: DikShuttle

You're so right. It's just that Campbell has had a hard time picking him out over there on the bench.

The guy who starts ahead of him most plays, Kelly, to whom Campbell HAS thrown on occasion, attracts a bigger crowd than Megan Fox at a nudist convention.

Davis is easy to find. He's the guy lying on the turf after whiffing on a block.

Posted by: TheCork | October 8, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Beaner -

first off - the 4 RB thing is entirely valid. Second, this goes back to last year when the line fell apart. Everything after that is a matter of record.

The guy was taken off 3rd downs for a player we couldn't trade. You do want your best chance for a gain on 3rd, right?

His carries in the last game is more than half the total of the previous 3. And he came through like a champ in the Bucs game.

They've been running him into brick walls from day 1.

What team are you watching, man?

You don't like the guy, I get it. But neither does this coaching staff and they're doing their best to break him. Have been since mid seasons last year. Since the radio scuffle (and probably before that).

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Sherman Lewis's biggest impact will be on the Meals on Wheels customers wondering where he went and who the new guy is.

You can't overcome bad play design and atrocious play-calling overnight, particularly with that crew of rocket scientists at WR who couldn't learn the OLD plays.

Posted by: TheCork | October 8, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

If Malcolm Kelly is the puzzle that needs to solved, errrrm, don't you mean riddle, then we're still missing too many pieces.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"You either draft the best player available OR for need."

Cudda, Wudda, Shudda time.

Based on what we now know or feel was the best player availiable, who should the skins have drafted at #13 or any point thereafter:

Micheal Oher
Brian Orakpo
Phil Loadholdt
Eben Britton
Percy Harvin
Eugen Monroe
Antoine Caldwell
Rey Maualga
Victor 'Macho' Harris
Dominc Robinson

Moe goes with Phil Loadholdt (the vikes took him in round 2).

Right tackle is a pressing need for the redskins, and having seen Loadholt's work this past Monday night against the Packers, dude is very good.

Oh well.

So much for wudda, cudda, shudda....

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 8, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is the Russian national interest."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

scampbell

right but you are not an explosive offense if you TE is your secondbest play maker....we really need the young recievers to emerge and a playmaker out of the back field... that alone would make a huge differnce in production... the question is can they step up and will mason and/or aldridge get enough opportunities to prove or disprove themselves as the change of pace answer....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 8, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm advocating an overhaul of the team.


Posted by: p1funk

When you don't like the entree that is being served, it's not enough to have the same chefs create a new meal. You need new chefs, and the Redskins restaurant desperately needs a new owner.

Posted by: TheCork | October 8, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

In...ter...est.

with emphasis and slightly slurred speech struggling to sound sober.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Oh well.

So much for wudda, cudda, shudda....

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 8, 2009 10:54 AM |

Did you read the post? Shoulda, woulda, coulda is not a reasonable response to a post about 2 players that are ON the team and moved out of their natural position. They are still able to be moved back. That was not a post about who we should have drafted.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

p1funk - Samuels is only 32. Hes fine for another couple years.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 8, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Any guy named Loadholt, you sign him to a contract with a big signing bonus.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

DeSean Jackson, Jordy Nelson, Percy Harvin.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 10:50 AM


Tom Brady, MArques Colsten, Jason Witten, EJ Henderson.

Soooo.....What's your point?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 8, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

scampbell

right but you are not an explosive offense if you TE is your secondbest play maker....we really need the young recievers to emerge and a playmaker out of the back field... that alone would make a huge differnce in production... the question is can they step up and will mason and/or aldridge get enough opportunities to prove or disprove themselves as the change of pace answer....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 8, 2009 10:55 AM

Oh I absolutely agree 100%.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

moe

percy harvin would have solved alot of our problems......woulda cudda ....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 8, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

the 4 RB thing is entirely valid

No its not, its made up in your mind. They have 5 rb's on the team, the 4 not named Portis have a COMBINED 13 carries. How is that a slight to him?? I asked you to bring back valid points, not just made up in your mind bullcrap, however you couldn't do that. Portis didn't practice all week, but played, how is that a slight to him??

Betts is averaging 12.4 yards per catch. whats the problem with that??

Stop making excuses for this guy, and stop posting stupid stuff like this.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

The deal with the Panthers at home is, it's important to get up on 'em quickly, or they can get their bloodlust riled up and really start running all over you. Both running backs are dope and the Steve Smith, basically needs to be contained. Otherwise, it could quickly deteriorate into the 40 point shellacking Carolina ripped 'em in Charlotte last years exhibition game..

Posted by: frak | October 8, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Oldschool is right, I mean I love cooley but we all know how well a dominate TE can run a teams offense, via Kansas City. He is there to move the chains and be a valve not single handedly win games.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

What about Pieere Garcon?

If we had just gotten him....

Championship?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 8, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

My point?

I have none, or it's vague, or I'm making it up as I go along, and I take full accountability for that, and I'll try to do better in the future.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

chrislarry,
Good stuff! Unfortunately, I would bet this blog will slowly morph back into a "Who is to blame for the offense" or "Is JC the worst QB ever" or other topics that have been beaten into the ground over and over and over again...my head hurts
Posted by: mattylight | October 8, 2009 10:47 AM |

How about some “LaCanfora sux” posts, theorizing how he would be even more negative towards the FO at this point and how he must be so happy about how terrible the skins are playing despite the fact that they are 2-2……..I miss those.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 8, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

or not.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

moe

percy harvin would have solved alot of our problems......woulda cudda ....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 8, 2009 11:00 AM

Not really because these guys won't play rookies, he would be on the bench because they wouldn't trust him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 8, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

LaCanfora sux and he is happy that our front office and our team sux even though we are 2-2.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

ORakpo is great with his hand in the ground..

HOWEVER...

He has not been good at all as a LB. He gets shock. The other team consistently connects in his zone. And he hasn't been able to run with most in man coverage.

Posted by: 4thFloor

Agree with your second point, but "great with his hand on the ground?" Not hardly.

BUT he has a chance to greatly improve if he plays there enough to get in a rhythm, to use one move to set up the next, and gain experience rushing against experienced tackles. As it is, his talent as a pass rusher is NOT being fully developed while he limps along learning the LB slot.

Blache's defenses never permit this. Coleman shifts to LDE on third down. Orakpo goes in at RDE. Daniels moves to tackle. The great pass rushers have a variety of moves and use them like a pitcher uses his variety of pitches. Heater heater heater, strike the guy out with a changeup. For linemen it might be Bullrush bullrush bullrush, sack the QB with a swim or a spin move.

'Skins take that out of the playbook.

Not only do the Redskins draft the wrong people, when they DO draft the right person for a job, they give him another job instead.

Posted by: TheCork | October 8, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

LaCanfora is a fat "schlub" -- in his own words...I think I spelled that right...

Posted by: mattylight | October 8, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

25 carries 98 yards.

When he plays he produces. Argue that.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

If we had just went

RT-RT-RT in the 2nd round back in 2008....That way one of them would have succeeded...


..Championship...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 8, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm hoping Sherman Lewis will at least be able to do some talent evaluation and determine whether we should be using Aldridge and Mitchell. My hunch is that Zorn has a bias based on his stubbornness, plus we know that him and Blache both don't like to use rookies - they've said so. Maybe Lewis can identify who SHOULD be playing and get them in there.

Posted by: REXskins | October 8, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

On second thought, I fire myself.

Time for a figurine regime change.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The whole offense is below average at this point, but it really starts with the O-line, which is just not any good.

Until the front office deals with that reality, this team has a ceiling. They may be better than they have played thus far (I hope so), but I don't think much better.

You just can't hide a poor offensive line.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 8, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

scampbell

I see plenty of tinkering on defense I think they know they have a player in orapko....getting many more young guys involved (moore etc) and different combinations...defense as you guys know is and has been the least of problems....the formula to being a contender is to have an offense with multiple threats the cause defense to gameplan to take something that can hurt them away...leaving them vulnurable somewhere else......score mid 20's consistently give up around 20 consistently you will 10/12 games a year, be in the hunt once a decade or so win it all....is that to much to ask?....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 8, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I hate this window.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Thanks guys...snif....you're getting me all nostalgic.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 8, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

ds, yeah, you've won me over....you proved me wrong with that post....nice job ignoring reality....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

You just can't hide a poor offensive line.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 8, 2009 11:09 AM

---------

These are typically big guys.

You can't hide them, poor or not so poor not withstanding.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

4th, make one of those RT's a LG and we save money on not re-signing Dockery as he would be replaced by someone 4 years younger.

Heres hoping Lewis watches the next game and says, "Why are you running a west coast offense with a team made up of players from every other style of offense?"

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

is that to much to ask?....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 8, 2009 11:09 AM |

Apparently

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

AND I already gave props to Betts catching.

AND Sellers is a blocking back. No one uses the half-back term anymore...lol.

I'm not making this shti up. Why would I? What's the point? What I am doing is addressing 'tards raggin' a guy for doing his job when management wants him to fail.

Like Brett Favre in Green Bay, for example. Another 'over the hill' guy who everyone was hatin' on for being all spotlight... who's management marginalized him. Said he couldn't play. BENCHED him for a younger guy w/ up-side... And just happened to beat his usurper straight up in a nationally televised game.

Geeze - I thought us Skins fans were supposed to root for the grizzled veteran getting it done. Guess that's not the case.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"percy harvin would have solved a lot of our problems..."


You mean he'd be there to keep Devin Thomas company on the sidelines?

Maybe he would've solved the Kelly Puzzle.

After Loadholt, Antoine Caldwell--Albama (he went to the Texans) would be great fit as he could play center/right guard.

That's a starting tackle and guard in the same draft.

Oh well.

Wudda, cudda, shudda....

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 8, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

When you don't like the entree that is being served, it's not enough to have the same chefs create a new meal. You need new chefs, and the Redskins restaurant desperately needs a new owner.

Posted by: TheCork | October 8, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse
-----------------------

...but the owner won't sell, and the ingredients that he and the GM have brought in for cooking aren't very good..so the chef is limited.

Firing another coach probably isn't the answer. Accepting that they have done a poor job of building a team and have a poor offensive line would be a start, IMO.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 8, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

you can't make this stuff up......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, 4th, just think if the front office had assumed the "one player away" after the 2007 playoff loss was an offensive lineman and not a big pass-catcher... ah, well.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Chase Daniel where are you?

Saints practice squad.

Posted by: Megskin | October 8, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Until Campbell gets MK and the other newbies involved, I will refer to him as, 'Commodore 64'. Not only for the Lionel Richie reference, but also for his processing speed.

That is all.

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | October 8, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Chase Daniel where are you?

Saints practice squad.

Posted by: Megskin | October 8, 2009 11:17 AM

Didn't they elevate him?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"You just can't hide a poor offensive line."


Trudat.

Hiding a bad offensive line is like trying to hide the fact that you're shoplifting a piano.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 8, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

New Orleans Saints
Daniel was signed to the New Orleans Saints practice squad on September 6, 2009. He was promoted to the active roster on September 26, and named the emergency third quarterback for the September 27 game against the Buffalo Bills.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 8, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

These are typically big guys.

You can't hide them, poor or not so poor not withstanding.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 8, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse
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lol, I stand corrected. I will clarify:

You can hide lousy WR play.

You can hide ordinary RB play.

You can hide limited QB play.

You can't hide bad blocking from your O-line.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 8, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Old School, so happy to see you posting up here... I understand what you're saying about players and agree almost 100%... but your mantra has always been coach/QB... do you think Zorn has what it takes as a head coach?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

New Orleans Saints
Daniel was signed to the New Orleans Saints practice squad on September 6, 2009. He was promoted to the active roster on September 26, and named the emergency third quarterback for the September 27 game against the Buffalo Bills.

Wow. Moving up in the world. Good for him.

Posted by: Megskin | October 8, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"Soup apologists, please desist.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

65.3%

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 9:19 AM"

yes alex, and that SAD stat is after/including all the yardage and completions JC props up his stats with while opposing Ds are in in umbrella coverages during garbage time.

You know...Like when it's all pass with the opposing Ds just trying to keep Skins WRs in bounds to keep the game clock running and hold their leads at the end of games or going into halftime.

Usually after Campbell has given them at least one gift TD via fumble or INT to put the Skins in the hole EARLY...

In 2000 a declining (and INJURED) Brad Johnson was coming off a PLAYOFF run.

He was 228 of 365, 11 TDs, 2505 yards in 12 games,and HE lost his job for that.

Campbell has YET to out perform even the declining version of Mark Brunell we had [60.0%], (much less a side by side of the first 3 years as a starter...where Brunell had an EXPANSION team to lead...and STILL outperformed Campbell's established playoff team results...) who was run out of town for similar (same to slightly better) numbers as Campbell has.

Tony Banks was STATISTICALLY better than JC, and had a better W/L record, and no one cried out to keep him...

14 starts, 8-6 record, 189 of 370 53.5% behind NO line and with suspect at BEST WRs, 10 TD 10 INTs, 159.1 YPG

Danny Wuerffel 63.0% [w/ skins] Spurrier era, 'nuff said...

Patrick Ramsey 61.5% [Career w/ Redskins]

and one last tidbit.

2007.

JC-13 GS 6W-7L, 250/417, 12 TD, 11 INT, 60.0%

TC- 3 GS 3W-0L 67/105, 5 TD, 0INT, 63.8%

[+.85 of Bears game, which was 0-0 when Collins entered]

Same WRS, same line, hell, even splitting the Bears game TC scored...JC didn't.

The only significant numbers are WINS and LOSSES. Every other stat is is far too easy to manipulate if you isolate it (which is the point of EVERY statistic I listed...so there's no need to play that game...) to be used as a reliable and apples to apples measure to compare QBs.

Every once in a while my old Buick Regal station wagon used to beat a Ferrari from light to light, that didn't make the Buick a high performance sports car, ok?

Just stop throwing handfuls of sprinkles on JC's B-S performances and calling them ice cream, ok?

Posted by: ThinkingMan | October 8, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I don't think this team has the personnel to run a 3-4. They do have the personnel to run a 5-2, or even a 5-1. I could see that used against a running team like Carolina. It puts man on man on the defensive line. The defensive linemen occupy their offensive lineman which forces the running game to the outside and into linebackers & safeties playing wide: speed against speed. On passing downs the isolation of lineman on lineman creates opportunities for the speed guys to get around their man, and for big guys like Haynesworth to collapse the pocket.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 8, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Hey thinking man stats guy, JC is in the top 10 in all QB stats this year except for completion % in which he is 12.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Chia, you OK? Do you get too much Miracle Gro or something?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 8, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Dang ThinkingMan.

Good summation.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 8, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"p1funk - Samuels is only 32. Hes fine for another couple years.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 8, 2009 10:59 AM"

Yeah but Samuels' knees are 105....

Posted by: ThinkingMan | October 8, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

ThinkingMan,
Give it up. They have a man-on for JC. You'll never convince them JC isn't the second coming of Peyton Manning - even when Campbell drops the ball and throws when he's three yards past the line of scrimmage. I think these guys might actually be Jason Campbell posing as a number of posters. No one else could be that dense.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 8, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Hey thinking man stats guy, JC is in the top 10 in all QB stats this year except for completion % in which he is 12.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 11:26 AM |

Sorry, that's top 8 in all stats except in attempts per game which he is 11.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Tony Banks was STATISTICALLY better than JC, and had a better W/L record, and no one cried out to keep him...

Oh my Gawd, bring back Tony Banks! Help! Save Us All!!!!

Posted by: Megskin | October 8, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

In the teams’ last matchup, JC17 threw a 66-yard TD to Cooley with 1:25 left and the Redskins defeated Carolina 17-13 on Nov. 26, 2006. The Panthers had reached the NFC Championship in 2005 after going 11-5.

Clinton Portis missed the game due to a broken bone in his right hand.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 8, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of debating whether JC is the guy to lead us or not. He most likely won't be back next year anyway.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 8, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Actually redskinsdikhead just pointing out that stats don't tell the whole story. I believe that JC is PART of the WHOLE problem which is everyone involved with the offense not just one person as certain people would try to have you believe.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"Hey thinking man stats guy, JC is in the top 10 in all QB stats this year except for completion % in which he is 12.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 11:26 AM"

Again...for those who can't or won't read...

The only significant numbers are WINS and LOSSES. Every other stat is is far too easy to manipulate if you isolate it (which is the point of EVERY statistic I listed...so there's no need to play that game...) to be used as a reliable and apples to apples measure to compare QBs.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | October 8, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly simply does not know how to run a fade pattern, He does not know how to get position on the db and does not allow room to the sideline so the pass can be caught in bounds. Thomas and Kelly do not get open consistently. BENCH THEM NOW. Marko Mitchell should start and show these guys how to play the position.

Posted by: puttforever | October 8, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

nate

I'll give a qualified no... same as JC to this point....Its not over but you can see over pretty clearly from here.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 8, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

The only significant numbers are WINS and LOSSES.

Posted by: ThinkingMan
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Good research on the QBs, but I think the only significant numbers are POINTS SCORED. You can put up a great offensive game and still lose because the defense blows it for you(see Denver-2008).

Just because that isn't our teams recent experience doesn't make it true. If you're judging the QB only, it's about points not wins.

Posted by: REXskins | October 8, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Just stop throwing handfuls of sprinkles on JC's B-S performances and calling them ice cream, ok?

Posted by: ThinkingMan | October 8, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

well pot-kettle, you just tried to use stats to justify why you don't like em.

For the record Jason Campbell has his strongest quarter in the 3rd quarter when you look at his situational stats, thats true for last season and this season. He also tends to complete an average of 60% of his passes in his first 20 passes per game, then yes it does jump up to 75% after that. 60% is above average for a QB.

Now I don't rely on stats for every bit of analysis I do of any player, just like I don't rely on just game tape. you have to use a bit of both. Nor do I think he is our salvation at QB, just simply that he is better then Collins when it comes to a chance for the win.

PS for all: I highly recommend using the situational stats they have on NFL.com if your making stat debates, its very cool data.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

...Hopefully the bingo caller will tell snyder you scheme is sound , but your players suck...

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 8, 2009 10:40 AM

OldSchool your points are valid, but you eventually arrive at the wrong conclusion. ...your scheme is sound , but your players suck...

If that is true then it is the coaches fault for not weeding them out. I agree playing with the same non-performing players for years is a non-starter, but it is not the players fault if the organization keeps them.

If the scheme is good but nothing is working, then that is also the coaches fault. The best coaches and organizations fit the schemes to the players and not the players to a scheme.

Fitting the scheme to the players is why Sherman Lewis was brought in and I hope that was Snyders idea, for if it was, then he is finally realizing schemes ain't worth the paper it's written on if it does not fit your talent/players.

Yeah, you are right that we have a bunch of non-performing players, but the reason we have them is because the organization has kept them around. Moss can make plays when he is healthy. Campbell can make plays.. Cooley can.. Mitchell can.. Thomas can.. Sellars can.. and there are a bunch of others that can make plays.

But the reason why they don't is because to many knowitall coaches put more emphasis on the schemes rather than the players.

And right now the WCO sucks for this Team because Zorn does not know how to fit it to the Players. He keeps trying to fit his players/talents to the WCO.

So to arrive at the analogy that the Scheme is sound takes all the responsibility away from the coaches to Make It Work!!!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 8, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

He's garbage. I'm bored with seeing the freaks on here defending him like he was their frigging father or something.

Drop it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

I will always think JC17 is a fine QB.

Signed

MiniSoup

Posted by: ElYeah | October 8, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

It's mind numbingly crazy the amount of times this blog always ends up in the discussion of JC. As if you repeat it enough times some manna will drop from the sky and the QB to solve every skins ill will appear. You all do realize that you could have a good QB and that particular QB's W/L ratio could be bad (see Rogers, Aaron). Which truly indicates a flaw in the reasoning that the W/L ratio is the ONLY way to judge the effectiveness of a QB.

Anyone knows the W/L ratio of Carson Palmer? Just curious, I would think it's probably upside down as well.

Posted by: TWISI | October 8, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Again...for those who can't or won't read...

The only significant numbers are WINS and LOSSES. Every other stat is is far too easy to manipulate if you isolate it (which is the point of EVERY statistic I listed...so there's no need to play that game...) to be used as a reliable and apples to apples measure to compare QBs.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | October 8, 2009 11:33 AM

I agree which was the point of my post. Stats aren't the whole picture. W-L is the only stat that matters, which is not the sole responsibility of the QB.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

and if you want to play percentage equals QB godhood.

Then start building that Chad Pennington statue...'cause if he retires, he'll be doing so with one of the highest completion percentages in league HISTORY...

Highest Completion Percentage, Career, 66.1, Chad Pennington, 2000-Present

and none of you number crunching, stat junkies have been verbally wacking your bag over how good HE is around the blogs

Posted by: ThinkingMan | October 8, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Doing two jobs he'd never done before prior to last season (head coach and play caller), and doing those jobs at the highest and very hardest level, Jim Zorn is 10-10.

In a job with a steep learning curve, and saddled with a struggling offensive line, he's at .500 with a scant 1.25 seasons under his belt.

Not trying to be a pollyanna or an apologist, but let's have a little bit of reasonable expectation here. That includes you, too, Mr. Snyder.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 8, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

My bad thinkingman, I missed that paragraph while reading the original post. I jumped the gun. But I can read, apparently just not very well.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Alex, are you advocating manipulating stats interpretation to justify a position?! hehehehe.

I think we can all agree that Soup would be better if he wasn't as bad as he was.


...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Not trying to be a pollyanna or an apologist, but let's have a little bit of reasonable expectation here. That includes you, too, Mr. Snyder.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 8, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Freak
Reasonable expectations and Washington DC are not really working together.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I think we can all agree that Soup would be better if he wasn't as bad as he was.


...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 11:44 AM |

Lol, line of the day for me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Alex, are you advocating manipulating stats interpretation to justify a position?! hehehehe.

I think we can all agree that Soup would be better if he wasn't as bad as he was.


...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 8, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I am a 17th generation politico.
So yes.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"You all do realize that you could have a good QB and that particular QB's W/L ratio could be bad (see Rogers, Aaron). Which truly indicates a flaw in the reasoning that the W/L ratio is the ONLY way to judge the effectiveness of a QB.

Anyone knows the W/L ratio of Carson Palmer? Just curious, I would think it's probably upside down as well."

Careful, you're about to make someone's head explode.

Posted by: psps23 | October 8, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I wish we'd cut Alridge, rock, and trade Betts and a mid-round pick to Buffalo for Fred Jackson. They obviously want Lynch as their guy but Jackson is exactly what we don't have a fast guy with great hands perfect changeup/eventual replacement to CP.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 8, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I think JC is okay - like a 5 or 6 out of 10 at the moment - but he needs to take the next step in his development..if he is capable of that step, who knows.

His O line protection certainly doesn't help his cause. His holding the ball too long makes things even worse.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 8, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 8, 2009 11:58 AM |

Hey, with that name you might be able to get a job with the Skins. Maybe I should try to, after all my name is Scott Campbell.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I chimed in on another post about "Quality Control Coach". Come on....how hard can it be?

Based on the quality I've seen, they need a replacment anyways.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 8, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

...and Ray Sherman/Mike Sherman are still available out there...

...THE SHERMANS ARE TAKING OVER. SOMEONE HAS TO RIGHT THIS SHIP.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 8, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I think we should trade a first round pick for Reggie Bush, and a second round pick for TO. They're exciting players and I think the fans will love to see them play. We should trade our third round pick for another DE, and we should try to find more consultants. Consultants can really fix all your problems - they're specialists. Let's get more retired ones, because they're perspective is "unique". The O-line will be fine, Bugel assures me that he can coach an infant into a brick wall.

Hold on my GM Vinny is calling me.

Posted by: REXskins | October 8, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm applying for the quality control coach on ownership and FO position when it's created.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

How about this for a stat: Randle El is still fielding punts after yrs of being ineffective. Is that on the players? Scheme? No, that's Zorn being a stubborn idiot. At least put D.Thomas back there jut to get him on the field. See, that's what I'm talking about. Zorn refuses to bend. He refuses to acknowledge there's anything wrong, so I can't blame that retard Snyder for acting on his own.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 8, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

What is a QC coach do anyway? I always thought it was just like being a apprentice or paid intern in the coaching world.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"Chase Daniel was signed to the New Orleans Saints practice squad on September 6, 2009. He was promoted to the active roster on September 26, and named the emergency third quarterback for the September 27 game against the Buffalo Bills."

I liked this guy.

I wish him an Antonio Dixon all the best.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 8, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

ga, thats a good point, I just don't get the stubbornness on JZ's part. What is there to lose??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

More to beat my “this team is just soft” drum with…..so far Shawn Springs has played in every Pats game and is their 3rd leading tackler. Apparently “my leg hurts so I can’t practice or play” does not fly up in New England. In Ashburn, it means, “okay, you just rest and let us know how you feel on Sunday”. On a team with a tough mentality it means, “we’re paying you to play, so stop whining, get out there and practice, or get the f out”…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 8, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I think JC is okay - like a 5 or 6 out of 10 at the moment - but he needs to take the next step in his development..if he is capable of that step, who knows.

His O line protection certainly doesn't help his cause. His holding the ball too long makes things even worse.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 8, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

JC isn't bad. He has 3 deficiencies. He has trouble reading defenses, has a slow release, and is slow going through his progressions. We knew this when we drafted him. He's the type of QB that you surround with a power run game, fast receivers, and great offensive line. You let him throw deep to mid passes and occasionally let him use his feet. What do we do? We put him in an NFL WCO offense with a crappy oline and crappy running game. This requires a guy who can fly through progressions and release the ball very fast. Why did this happen? Because our GM decided he wanted to relive the glory days of the WCO and he'll be damned if having the wrong personnell will stop him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 8, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Randal El is so frustrating to watch, especially after the invisible sniper gets him and he mysteriuosly falls down afetr a catch.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 8, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"I agree which was the point of my post. Stats aren't the whole picture. W-L is the only stat that matters, which is not the sole responsibility of the QB.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 11:41 AM"

True, the sole responsibility is to lead the team AT LEAST on the field...most often by some combination of inspiring your teammates (and coaches) with confidence in you as a QB, in the offense in general, and in helping teammates on any unit(s) shake off bad performances.

Sure solid to great position play is helpful, but MANY teams have gotten on championship paths with only so so QB play...IF it was combined with solid to great LEADERSHIP or by creating a real sense of team/family.

JC has not been good at much if any of that [by his career so far].

If he would shine consistently in ANY ONE of those categories...I'd find it easier to advocate on his behalf.

Sure some QBs catch on after 5-6 years of a slow career start...Though USUALLY that is not all with the same team though...is it?

Just so folks know where I'm coming from.

I couldn't care less about who specifically is driving the bus [QB].

I DO care about how long it's going to take us to get to the destination [Start winning games regularly again] I seek.

I just don't see enough consistency to invest AT LEAST 3 more years and tons of CAP dollars in this level of output from a QB who just hasn't made me go "damn he's really good at ___" for any particular thing a "franchise" QB should do.

Blowing up the whole team makes the recovery process about two years longer (barring the uncapped year, of course) than just patching up as we roll in all likelihood.

Getting a servicable vet QB under center and patching the O-line shorten that process.

It might make the coaches and FO more comfortable putting in our other young players on offense (Aldrige, Mitchell, etc.)...which could also help us speed the "healing" process along, and help determine what we still need and how to acquire it much faster...personnel wise.

THAT is what I (and I bet MOST of us) want.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | October 8, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

What is a QC coach do anyway? I always thought it was just like being a apprentice or paid intern in the coaching world.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse
-------------------------

"Dammit kid, keep those gatorades filled, and don't let my cords get tangled! I'm trying to call a game here!"

Probably something like that.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 8, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse


"My bad thinkingman, I missed that paragraph while reading the original post. I jumped the gun. But I can read, apparently just not very well.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 11:44 AM"

S'okay, I'm laid up with a bad back today so Capt. Codiene is taking my brain around the long way, too...all good.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | October 8, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I can get behind that TM.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, Sherman, as in the kid that helped Mr. Peabody on the Bullwinkle show is probably all grown up now, and ready to take over Vinnie's role.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 8, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Larry

my point on scheme is we are running an established proven nfl offense ...one that is used by a majority of teams in the league...in the past we have had other offense schemes that were also proven and sound...martyball, saunders/ gibbs... the ball coach fun and gun well not so much..... eastwest coast o what ever...coaches can only gameplan and prepare then adjust...from what i can see overall the coaching does have questions, but i would not say we are poorly coached or poorly prepared...I would say we are predictable and easily defended because over supposed strenghts are also our biggest weakness (Portis left behind samuels) when you need a play throw it to Moss, when need a first down throw it to cooley...score 14 and repeat next week....this whole thing would and will look alot better if we can make a few big plays...suddenly zorn will be a good play caller, JC will have finally stepped up etc... I'm just not convinced that we have any playmakers on our team...and that is a reflection on talent selection and talent evaluation...when the ball is snapped its a players game...on offense we seem to have guys that are the master of making a 10 yrd run with an open field a 10ryd run or a reciever who gets open makes a nice catch and then no run...you are allowed to advance the ball beyond the spot of the catch....my final point for now.... most nfl scoring drives involve a big play... it is very very rare for a team to consistantly put the ball in the endzone with reglarity if they have to do it in small chunks...watch other games there are plays made allover the place that either set up scores or are scores themselves ...big plays create energy, a spark, momentum all things essential to a physical emtional game like football ...we play the most uninspired flat brand of football...If I wasn't a huge fan i would never watch us play......

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 8, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Beantown,
It's like he doesn't pay any attention to the strengths of his players. He was talking all this crap in the off season about getting more players involved in the return game, and when the season starts, he totally ignores what he previously said.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 8, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Excellent point. I was just shaking my head when I heard they were going to the WC. I was really looking forward to seeing JC in another yr of Saunders offense without Gibbs handcuffing the playcalls.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 8, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm applying for the quality control coach on ownership and FO position when it's created.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 12:04 PM

Biggest suck up job around, except for Vice President. "Gee, Mr. Snyder, I can't believe how well you handle this. You must have had 40 years' experience as an owner before you bought the team."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

moe

what kind of organization would keep an over the hill 36 yrld DE who is inactive in every game over a young hungry DT who showed some flash in the preseason... glad i'm not a fan of that sorry team.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 8, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Assuming that Campbell will be playing in the MNF game against the Eagles, it will be very interesting to see what Jaws and Gruden have to say about Campbell. IMO, those 2 guys really know what they are talking about football-wise. There may be some folks up here the next morning who may have had their minds changed somewhat. But then again probably not…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 8, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

WR's need to catch passes IN STRIDE in order to make decent YAC. Aside from vertical throws, when does that happen? JC throws too late, and we see catches by WR's either on the sidelines, or with their backs to the goalline standing in a position. Not a good way to get extra yards.

Moss is certainly a playmaker, but as of this point the only explosive playmaker we've shown - so D's just key on him.

We have absolutely no explosion in our running backs. It makes me curious as to why Alridge was brought back here...he's a speed guy, and can change tempo. Why not give him a shot? What would happen, we'd score 10 points instead of 13?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 8, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse


I'm applying for the quality control coach on ownership and FO position when it's created.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 12:04 PM

Biggest suck up job around, except for Vice President. "Gee, Mr. Snyder, I can't believe how well you handle this. You must have had 40 years' experience as an owner before you bought the team."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2009 12:25 PM

You obviously don't know me very well then...I would be fired very quickly if that was the case. My typical daily routine would consist of saying " Hey Danny, shut your phuking pie hole."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

You obviously don't know me very well then...I would be fired very quickly if that was the case. My typical daily routine would consist of saying " Hey Danny, shut your phuking pie hole."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse
------------------------

If you really wanted to be fired, just threaten to lock him in a gym locker.

It may bring back traumatic memories.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 8, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

How is this possibly a "puzzle" anymore?

Campbell locks in on Moss or 95 percent of the time. It doesn't matter who is playing #2 because Campbell doesn't see the whole field.

It would impossible for Kelly to be as bad as his stats indicate. He was twice the player Kelly Washington was in training camp and now Washington is catching balls left and right in Baltimore.

And you can't blame the line. Pass protection has been decent this year. Other QBS are getting hit a lot more than JC and still finding open receivers.

Seriously, why is the post so blind to this? I know JC is a great guy and talks to the media all the time, but enough is enough.

How can anyone expect Sherm Lewis to succeed where Gibbs, Saunders, and Zorm have now failed? You can't win in the NFL with a QB who lacks field vision.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | October 8, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Should read Moss or Cooley 95 percent of the time.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | October 8, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Chase Daniel was signed to the New Orleans Saints practice squad on September 6, 2009. He was promoted to the active roster on September 26, and named the emergency third quarterback for the September 27 game against the Buffalo Bills."

I liked this guy.

I wish him an Antonio Dixon all the best.

Posted by: MistaMoe

If Chase would have stuck aorund the Redskins for a year he would have developed just like Colt Brennan (oh, wait, Brennan was worse after a year...). I wish him luck, too, but I think the real loss was Dixon. I thought he was coming along well, and you just can't pick DT's off the trees these days. BTW, notice Montgomery has been injured most of the season? Do I sense a potential migration to injured reserve? They should have traded him for an offensive tackle and kept Dixon. This team knows how to plunk down big chunks of cash for players but they are not good deal makers.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 8, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

FREE MARKO!!!! Kelly and Thomas are scrubs!!

Posted by: BalleBalleskinz | October 8, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I am no expert, but I hate the way MK12 goes up for the ball, looks awful, arms and legs going in all directions...I say let DT11 start a game or two, makes no difference, JC wont throw to either anyways. But I would love to see that GO pattern with DT more than MK...MORE than anything I would like to see DT11 return kicks and punts!!

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 8, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm advocating an overhaul of the team.


Posted by: p1funk

When you don't like the entree that is being served, it's not enough to have the same chefs create a new meal. You need new chefs, and the Redskins restaurant desperately needs a new owner.

Posted by: TheCork | October 8, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse


The overhaul I'm hoping for will include Vinny C. Frankly, that is the best we can hope for b/c Danny won't sell.

But I think it is realistic to hope that if this team continues to be atrocious and the outcry/criticism holds up, then even Danny's ego/pride will take such a beating that he is prepared to finally look at Vinny in a moment of clarity and say -"This was mostly your idea. Bye bye."

Maybe in that moment he will have eaten enough humble pie to stop handing the reins over to yes-men, bring in some real legit football people, and take a step back.

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

My typical daily routine would consist of saying " Hey Danny, shut your phuking pie hole."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 12:29 PM

Be sure you negotiate your severance package before you report to work.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels is 32. Still too old to be considered our best lineman by leaps and bounds.

His knees will not hold up, and I'm prepared to bet good $$ that he doesn't play 16 games this year.

If we think things are bad now, just wait till Heyer and BMW are the starting tackles...

Posted by: p1funk | October 8, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

My typical daily routine would consist of saying " Hey Danny, shut your phuking pie hole."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 12:29 PM

Be sure you negotiate your severance package before you report to work.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2009 12:54 PM |

Just being able to tell Vinny or Danny to shut the phuk up would be enough.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

REDSKIN IN EARLY LEAD FOR EXCUSES SUPERBOWL

Dateline: Washington

The Washington Redskins, official doormat of the NFL, have opened a wide margin in the Excuses Superbowl, a grab bag event where reasons for losing outweigh the effort for winning.

Consider the latest Washington Redskins' entries from this past week:

Jason Campbell. "I was pressing too hard" when throwing passes to the opposing team - a team that spent more times on its back on defense than ladies of the night. (Editor: Can't wait to hear the jewels of excuses when Campbell faces a team that doesn't have a 30 in its ranking placement for defense!)

Carlos Rogers. "A dog jumped out of the stands, ran across the field, chased a Chuck Wagon and then jumped in front of the ball just as I was about to catch an interception." There is no word if this dog is from the same farm that produced Jimmy Carter's Killer Rabbit.

Malcom Kelly. "I am wearing a Harry Potter Cloaking Cape and it is so fun to hide from Jason. The look on his face when he can't find me is too precious" (Editor note: Apparently the cloaking device is so strong that it also makes him lazy, in the wrong place, and cashes his paychecks without him looking).

Vinnie Cerrato. "We knew our team would be really offensive this season and we are adding a consultant to tell us how to be more offensive."

Daniel Snyder. "I'm developing the game plans for each game - my main concern has been to go after grandmothers and other people who aren't well off because they are screwing me out of my money. Pardon me while I have been not as attentive to X's and O's as I have been with Dollars and Cents."

Jim Zorn. "Perhaps we'd play better if we were wearing Burgundy and Black?"

Clinton Portis. "My feet hurt. My face hurts. My hands hurt. My wallet hurts. How can I practice with so many pains? I'd run 30 plays for Coach but he doesn't know how to use me - I shouldn't have to face any defense."

Randle El on returns. "I don't want to fumble so when there isn't anyone around me for 10 yards, I just call fair catch. Who knows - I could fall down and fumble and I want to have as much real estate to make up for that."

Jason Campbell on why he doesn't slide when he wants to end a run. "I am still learning this offense - I need more time to practice this technique and I don't want to look like I'm pressing doing it."

Stephen Heyer on pass blocking. "They just told me to get my fat butt out there and look like I know what I'm doing. I just pretend I'm trying to keep someone away from the last piece of steak on the barbeque."

Posted by: laserwizard | October 8, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

And you can't blame the line. Pass protection has been decent this year. Other QBS are getting hit a lot more than JC and still finding open receivers
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I don't know about that. Against a lousy Tampa Bay D, Campbell rarely had time to set his feet, look the field, and throw.

Look, the Oline is very poor. Heyer, who I thought looked much better in the preseason, has been pitiful. Rabach is starting to get overpowered. Dockery is servicable, but has always been slow. Rhino is still new to the job, though I thought he was okay in this past game. Samuels is leaps and bounds the best lineman on the team, and he's 32 with 12 knee surgeries.

I don't think JC should need everything wonderful all around him to succeed - but his O line DOES do him a disservice.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 8, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

How is this possibly a "puzzle" anymore?

Campbell locks in on Moss or 95 percent of the time. It doesn't matter who is playing #2 because Campbell doesn't see the whole field.

It would impossible for Kelly to be as bad as his stats indicate. He was twice the player Kelly Washington was in training camp and now Washington is catching balls left and right in Baltimore.

And you can't blame the line. Pass protection has been decent this year. Other QBS are getting hit a lot more than JC and still finding open receivers.

Seriously, why is the post so blind to this? I know JC is a great guy and talks to the media all the time, but enough is enough.

How can anyone expect Sherm Lewis to succeed where Gibbs, Saunders, and Zorm have now failed? You can't win in the NFL with a QB who lacks field vision.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | October 8, 2009 12:37 PM

Maybe they can get the league office to adopt a new rule where all QB's get to wear a "do not hit me" red jersey like in practice. Seems like they're going in that direction already anyway.

Posted by: skinswest | October 8, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

From the Times, not sure if I care about this or not:

Last week, Greg Blache said the Washington Redskins performance on defense starts with him and how he's the leader and how he would throw himself under the bus.

Now he's not talking.

At his regular Thursday group interview, Blache made a short statement and then handed the talk ing duties to secondary coach Jerry Gray.

No, seriously, he did. Just another day at the circus

Blache will also stop doing a weekly segment for News 4 and his post-game interview with Comcast. Gray will assume those duties as well.

It makes Blache look bad. The Redskins' season is going to get worse before it gets better and if the defense doesn't play well, he'll get to skirt the media and we'll be forced to ask position coaches like Gray, John Palermo, Kirk Olivadotti and Steve Jackson about the struggles.

The NFL requires coordinators to be available once every two weeks, but the Redskins said they consulted with the league office on Blache's decision.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

My typical daily routine would consist of saying " Hey Danny, shut your phuking pie hole."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 12:29 PM

I don't think it counts as a routine if you only get 1 chance to do it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 8, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is the Russian national interest."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Is that from Churchill's 'Iron Curtain' speech Nate?

Are you suggesting that The Russian national interest should be considered analogous to that of your esteemed "Mr" Snyder in this case?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 8, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Good. The less Blache (and Zorn, and the players) says, the better.

Go out and make it happen on a few CONSECUTIVE Sundays first, then they can talk until they're out of breath if they want to.

Until, I'm not interested in anything they have to say.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 8, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they didn't want all the stringers asking Blache about how the whole Sherman Tank thing came about?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 8, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Until then*

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 8, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

can't post comments for some reason, so back to this one...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I guess the next thread is the ultimate "no comment" in hono(u)r of it's subject?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 8, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Probably should have seen this coming from the time he went in on Matich for asking about the pass rush.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 8, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

"I'm advocating an overhaul of the team."

Early signs so far suggest the same people will call the shots.

So how does changing the team help?

To me, it seems to speak of high-end arrogance to constantly state, "We have the right players, just change the coaches."

'Cuz changing the coaches--again-- is just what is about to happen.

Or so it seems.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 8, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

let me correct that, to read, yeah, I couldn't care less about this....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

My typical daily routine would consist of saying " Hey Danny, shut your phuking pie hole."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 12:29 PM

I don't think it counts as a routine if you only get 1 chance to do it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 8, 2009 1:05 PM |

Very true, I guess after I tell him to shut the phuk up, in order to make it worth while, I will have to kick him in the nuts too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins consulted with the NFL about this, does it make anyone else wonder if this isn't Blache's decision?

Posted by: mattylight | October 8, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they didn't want all the stringers asking Blache about how the whole Sherman Tank thing came about?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 8, 2009 1:11 PM

bullseye

Posted by: skinswest | October 8, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they can get the league office to adopt a new rule where all QB's get to wear a "do not hit me" red jersey like in practice. Seems like they're going in that direction already anyway.
Posted by: skinswest | October 8, 2009 1:02 PM

They already have that….it’s a New England #12 Jersey that says “Brady” on the back…….OH!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 8, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, he's your guy, I just lifted the quote because of the thread title... I think Churchill was talking about Russia in 1939 when it wasn't entirely clear what role they would play in that big war thingy that was either happening or just about to happen.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

only a matter of time before we had a conspiracy theorist...ml, congrats....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

only a matter of time before we had a conspiracy theorist...ml, congrats....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 1:27 PM |

They've fired Blache? Why would they do this mid season?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The amazing thing is that as poorly as the offense has played, if they can TCB against Carolina and Kansas City, they will be 4-2 with 10 games left (and the difficult part of the schedule still remaining).

The Lions loss is a killer. If they could have come out of the "light" part of the schedule at 5-1, all they'd have to do is play .500 ball in the last 10 games to reach 10-6 and a likely playoff spot.

Oh, jeez, I'm actually beginning to get hopeful again. Somebody shoot me now.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 8, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Re: Blache going silent... curiouser and curiouser...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins consulted with the NFL about this, does it make anyone else wonder if this isn't Blache's decision?

Posted by: mattylight | October 8, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

What you're saying is possible, but I think you're probably reading too much into this one.

It's not that much different from what TO did in Buffalo where he is trying to get out of post game press conferences.

Every time a member of the redskins gives an interview the media has been baiting them to throw someone(mostly zorn) under the bus.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 8, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins consulted with the NFL about this, does it make anyone else wonder if this isn't Blache's decision?

Posted by: mattylight | October 8, 2009 1:25 PM |

They had to ask the NFL because if the DC doesn't talk to the media the team gets fined.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 8, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Gee, I liked reading Blache's comments more than any other coach. He just tells it like it is. I wonder who is putting this lockdown on him? I can't believe Blache came up with this himself. Or maybe they are worrying that he will spill the beans about Zorn getting canned and him being the interim head coach... Let's see, the bye week is right after the Eagles game in three more weeks...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 8, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21, I agree it would be nice to have taken advantage of the soft part of the season.

But my attitude is if we can't beat the big boys during the teeth of the season, there's really no point in meeting them in the postseason.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 8, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

There are definitely many areas that need to improve on this team, and our receivers are not scaring anyone. But if you look at the past Redskins teams that had success, they had strong lines (off/def). We had the Hogs, Charles Mann, Mr. D, Butz, Grant and others. The teams today that have long term success have strong lines. Giants, Steelers. The Niners are playing smashmouth football. The Bears a few years ago when they went to the SB had excellent line play. Everything else gets better. Coughlin instilled that in the Giants. Last year at 6-2, our O line was great. They got injured and old fast. So instead of rebuilding the O line, Snyderatto got D line players-normally not bad, but we had a glaring need. Randy Thomas has been on gimpy legs, Heyer is a question mark. Dockery is ok, but no stud. This all starts with the culture and decision making at the top. They constantly put band aids on the problems, and never build something. On top of that, the team is taking on the personality of the coach. SOFT. Rant over!

Posted by: mj25 | October 8, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record, don't forget D.Manley, mj.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 8, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I like the fact that Blache is not talking to the media. Its the football equivalent of "going to the mattresses".

Look for the redskins to D to get just filthy agaist the Panthers this weekend.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 8, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"Oh, jeez, I'm actually beginning to get hopeful again. Somebody shoot me now."

Wait, so you're saying the season isn't already over and we don't already have a top 10 draft pick after starting 2-2?

News to me.

Posted by: psps23 | October 8, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that Blache knows whats going on and simply doesn't want to lie in front of the cameras. He may know that later it will become clear for whatever reason that he knew certain things, and so his options are to either lie, tell the truth (not really an option), or just never say anything. So they just mute him.

Posted by: REXskins | October 8, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

After Lewis eyeballs the situation and comes to the logical conclusion that the problem is Vinny and Snyder to whom does he report?

Posted by: Keyskonnection | October 8, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

There is a very simple reason for this. Blache knows that in 3 weeks he will be taking over the head coaching duties and he doesn't want to go on camera and undermine Zorn, lie, or have to answer any questions about it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 8, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

A post about Blache going silent and we can't comment on it...very cheeky move WaPo. Well done.

So, we've got ShermL here. And now Blache is 'going dark.'

Deck chairs rearranging?

Posted by: 4-12 | October 8, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I used to wonder how Snyder could grow up a Skins fan and not place a lot more value on the O-line.

Reading the posts, I see a lot of Skins fans don't think it's necessary to have a dominant line.

Snyder, like a lot of people here, prefers to try to lock down the next HOF QB.

Note to Snyder and mini-Snyders: The last HOF QB we had here, Sonny Jurgenson, NEVER WON A SINGLE POSTSEASON GAME IN HIS CAREER!

Wanna go back to the SB?

Fix the O-line and DRAFT SOME HOGS!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Alan4 | October 8, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, comments section not there on the new thread....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 8, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

The problem is obviously on Offense, so why would the Defensive Coordinator take over as head coach.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 8, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The problem is obviously on Offense, so why would the Defensive Coordinator take over as head coach.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 8, 2009 1:42 PM |

Because he is the only choice mid-season then you bring in someone to call plays, like Sherman Lewis.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 8, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Or it could be that he's the only one on the whole damn staff who appears to know what the flip is going on... and thus couldn't be trusted to maintain the illusion of quasi-competency.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 8, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Keyskonnektion, the next step in ShermL's escalation path is Congress. And then the Justice League of America. After that we convene a Star Chamber.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The problem is obviously on Offense, so why would the Defensive Coordinator take over as head coach.

Posted by: CheyenneWY

Because Blache has demonstrated he can fire his guys up and isn't it funny that Sherm Lewis has experience as an offensive coordinator?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 8, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Since the new thread does not have a chat string on it.

I think its a good move to tell Greg B to zip it. The rate he was going end of the year he would be in a thunder-dome with Trevor on Comcast post game.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The problem is obviously on Offense, so why would the Defensive Coordinator take over as head coach.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 8, 2009 1:42 PM |

Because he is the only choice mid-season then you bring in someone to call plays, like Sherman Lewis.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 8, 2009 1:44 PM |

and he's a ballbuster which is what this team so desperately needs.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

What about Buges as a head coach?

He seems like the kind of guy that would smack someone around a bit

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 8, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Because he is the only choice mid-season then you bring in someone to call plays, like Sherman Lewis.

Posted by: Flounder21
+++++++++++++++++++

Do you really think a guy comes back after 4 years of retirement, at his age, and calls any plays?

Posted by: REXskins | October 8, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The problem is obviously on Offense, so why would the Defensive Coordinator take over as head coach.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 8, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Because you can't start from scratch mid-season, they brought in the new guy to take over the offense, Blache is the familiar face to take over as head man, at the end of the season they're all gone and round and around we go again with an all new system....which I'm all for btw, we're gonna be turning over 45% to 55% of our starters on offense and Zorn's offense has been a train wreck so if you're going to do it, knows the time.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 8, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

WTF isn't the next thread active?

Posted by: BiggerVance | October 8, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

God, this organization is a mess!!

Posted by: Predator48 | October 8, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I was initially happy to hear about the addition of another Sherman... But after the Blache news, it feels like the wheels are coming off of the bus...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 8, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm eager to hear impressions of Jerry Gray as a quote source. I'd be all right with this if he one-upped Blache in the area of crusty/curmudgeonly/borderline inappropriate aphorisms and such as.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 8, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

sorry now's the time

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 8, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

OriginalOldSchool,

I agree with your assertions entirely and you have some great points.

I just do not agree that the conclusion is it is the players and not the scheme, even though some of these players should have been long gone.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 8, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

WTF isn't the next thread active?

Posted by: BiggerVance

Damn Cindy B. Did Snyder's goons storm the RI shelter to suppress all dissent? Did they confiscate the keyboards? Will the Mayor be releasing a video assuring everyone he is okay?

Posted by: Predator48 | October 8, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble.

Cue the old Batman weekly teaser type questions as we wait for another exciting episode of:

"As Ashburns"

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 8, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Sherman Smith is to Zorn as Vinny is to Snyder. Three of them need to go and it won't be the owner.

Posted by: dcwun | October 8, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

What about Buges as a head coach?

He seems like the kind of guy that would smack someone around a bit

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 8, 2009 1:47 PM |

He was a head coach and had a horrible record if I recall correctly.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 8, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I was initially happy to hear about the addition of another Sherman... But after the Blache news, it feels like the wheels are coming off of the bus...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Quite the contrary:

The wheels on the bus go round and round,
round and round
round and round

The wheels on the bus go round and round,
year.
after.
year.

Posted by: REXskins | October 8, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Re: Blache going silent... curiouser and curiouser...
Posted by: NateinthePDX

He's too busy writing his Head Coach acceptance speech to be bothered by the media today.

Posted by: Megskin | October 8, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I used to wonder how Snyder could grow up a Skins fan and not place a lot more value on the O-line.

Reading the posts, I see a lot of Skins fans don't think it's necessary to have a dominant line.

Snyder, like a lot of people here, prefers to try to lock down the next HOF QB.

Note to Snyder and mini-Snyders: The last HOF QB we had here, Sonny Jurgenson, NEVER WON A SINGLE POSTSEASON GAME IN HIS CAREER!

Wanna go back to the SB?

Fix the O-line and DRAFT SOME HOGS!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Alan4 | October 8, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, the reason we nees a new QB and a new coach is because it worked so well the last time we did it. In fact, we've won the super bowl every year since then. O wait, we struggled in mediocrity for the last 17 seasons even though we went through more QBs than Jessica Simpson and more coaches than Al Davis.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 8, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Also, still waiting to see if any more [stupid] media types follow up on the reports of Zorn being "very frustrated with the talent level" of the team...heard that from Skins beat reporter on 106.7 last night...quote came from one of his [oh man, I hate to even use the word up here, because obviously they're always completely fabricated from the mind of the reporter] sources.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 8, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"PFT has learned that the head coach of the Washington Redskins, Jim Zorn, will be fired by 5PM today. This on the heels of bringing in Sherman Lewis to help with the offense. It is believed that Greg Blache will take over the head coaching duties. Defensive secondary coach Jerry Gray will step into the defensive coordinator spot previously held by Blache. PFT has also learned that its not to early to pencil in Mike Holmgren for the head coach in 2010, stay tuned"

PFT is breaking the story that JZ is OUT......lather rinse repeat....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 8, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

beeps - new new post

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 8, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

and

beep beep, again

Never rains but it pours.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 8, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

He was a head coach and had a horrible record if I recall correctly.

Posted by: scampbell1975


Buges actually did quite well when he coached the Arizona (then Phoenix) Cardinals in 92 or 93. I think they had their first winning season in years under him. Unfortunately, Bill Bidwell got stars in his eyes when Buddy Ryan was fired in Philly, and dumped Bugel for Ryan the next year. The Cardinals fell back into sub .500 performance soon after. His only other coaching gig was with the Raiders, which should tell you enough about why he didn't do well there.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 8, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

All I remember of Buges career as a head coach was that he beat the Redskins.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 8, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

New beep beep on a working thread 2 up

Posted by: alex35332 | October 8, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

ShaunSherman12,

What you describe goes directly to offensive play calling and use of personnel.

Both of which Jim Zorn gets an F-Grade for up to this point.

Hitting receivers in stride for YAC means that you call quick hitting 10-15 yard pass plays with the receivers hitting the seams in THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD.

You don't call these 5-15 yard dink and donk WCO offense plays where the receiver catches the ball with no momentum downfield. The routes that Zorn calls sucks because he is sending the receiver to the 12th man (the sideline) or his routes calls for the receiver to cross sideline to sideline instead of down the field.

The running game sucks because of poor play calling and not integrating talent into the running game.

We can put blame on the players for not producing, but on offense I see a poor Offensive Gameplanning, Playcalling and use of personnel is absolutely terrible.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 8, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

What does Zorn and G. Williams have in common? A coach who wanted their job.
So long Zorn.
Hey, JC your job is safe for another two years. Why do I say that? Well you have a new coach, a new system, blah, blah,... and your excuses are as good as gold.
LOL. The teflon QB, that should be JC's nickname, not a single blame sticks on him.

Posted by: hock1 | October 8, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

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