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Starters Will Play Until Zorn Sees 'Production'

The Redskins' first-team offense could play early into the second quarter or until Coach Jim Zorn sees enough "production" Saturday night against the Pittsburgh Steelers at FedEx Field.

Quarterback Jason Campbell and Washington's other starters were on the field for two series during last week's 23-0 loss to the Baltimore Ravens at M&T Bank Stadium. The first-team gained only 45 yards and three first downs in its brief appearance, and Zorn expects the group to have a better outing against the Steelers.

"I want to see how it goes. I want to see production. That's what I'm looking for," Zorn said. "I want to see the offense come together and really move the ball. It's going to be difficult.

"We're facing a really difficult defense, and yet we need to be successful. It would be either the length of time or series [for the first-team offense]. That's what it's going to be, more than a specific amount of plays."

Even if Campbell led the offense on a long drive, "I'd put 'em out there again," Zorn said. "I want that to kind of repeat itself."

Tackle Mike Williams (ankle), running back/return specialist Anthony Alridge (toe) and tackle Devin Clark (knee) are not expected to play, Zorn said.

Portis Says Mitchell Is Killing Rogers

He's a running back, not a scout, but Clinton Portis loves what Marko Mitchell is doing, according to Dan Steinberg.

Free Stuff

With a little bit of planning, you can hit the swag daily double Saturday night. The Redskins will give rally towels to the first 50,000 fans at their game against Pittsburgh at FedEx Field. And the Nationals will be giving away Frank Howard bobblehead dolls.

Weighing In on Burress Sentencing

Via twitter, here are a couple of Redskins' reactions to Plaxico Burress's two-year prison sentence:

@keloi16 Keloi162 yrs for accidently shooting yourself, man that's tough!!! SMH...like @OGOchoCinco said no one got hurt but him.

@TrentShelton: Plax 2years I don't know about that smh

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No loss on the Devin Clark injury. The guy couldn't block a stationary bike vs the Ravens.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 20, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

That ought to light a fire under the starters.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

What happens if it's well into the third qtr and we still haven't even tried a filed goal?

Cynicism off.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 20, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

field goal that is.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 20, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

So the starters are going to play the entire game?

Posted by: seraphina | August 20, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight T-E, because the Scots were smart enough to get some help from someone else, they're surrender monkeys?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 10:34 AM

Maybe I didn’t express myself well. I used “surrender monkey” in reference to the early release of the terrorist who killed 259 people on an airplane and 11 in Lockerbie, Scotland. He was sentenced to 27 years in prison and has only served nine. I believe he should die in a Scottish prison, not in Libya surrounded by his family and where he can be received as a martyr. This is a slap at the victims' families and the Obama Administration who had opposed his release. I do not believe this is a just outcome, and it is a surrender to terrorism.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

What happens if it's well into the third qtr and we still haven't even tried a filed goal?

Cynicism off.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 20, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Then JC will just comment again on how good the O line protected and how good he felt out there. Rinse and repeat

Posted by: ga8085 | August 20, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I'd prefer to see the beatings continue until morale improves.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 20, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Now THAT T_E we can agree on.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone have Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Zorn doesn't need to go crazy and keep CP out there a long time. This is only pre season and we need him in real games. I hope he remembers that.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

FireJimZorn

You're pathetic. You really have nothing better to do but post the same thing over and over again? What a loser

Posted by: ga8085 | August 20, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"Starters Will Play until Zorn Sees 'Production'"

By Jason Reid | August 20, 2009; 11:24 AM ET


Naturally, the first question has to be "Do they play overtime in the preseason?"

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 20, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Nice move by Zorn. I like it! He keeps doing things like this and I'll believe. But didn't he do something similar last year? After the Carolina preseason game...

Good to see the fire Zorn guy holding ground...

You have to admire their persistence.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

4th he got less than what the law requires

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2009 11:13 AM

He got caught up in that 'celebrity' web. If this happens around here to a average Joe Blow, he wouldn't even face prosecution because it was aleast registered, though not in the present state. Or, at worst, get a misdeamenor weapons possesion charge......

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 20, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight T-E, because the Scots were smart enough to get some help from someone else, they're surrender monkeys?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 10:34 AM

Maybe I didn’t express myself well. I used “surrender monkey” in reference to the early release of the terrorist who killed 259 people on an airplane and 11 in Lockerbie, Scotland. He was sentenced to 27 years in prison and has only served nine. I believe he should die in a Scottish prison, not in Libya surrounded by his family and where he can be received as a martyr. This is a slap at the victims' families and the Obama Administration who had opposed his release. I do not believe this is a just outcome, and it is a surrender to terrorism.


Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

AMEN, talent!!!!! AMEN!!!

Posted by: Lacantwrite | August 20, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

You have to admire FIREJIMZORN persistence.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009


Thanks for mentioning my name in your reply. But the true issue is. Does anyone know Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

but they won't play more than 60 minutes, right?

Posted by: jmy999 | August 20, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

He got caught up in that 'celebrity' web. If this happens around here to a average Joe Blow, he wouldn't even face prosecution because it was aleast registered, though not in the present state. Or, at worst, get a misdeamenor weapons possesion charge......

Posted by: 4thFloor

The law in NY is if it is no registered in NY mandatory 3 1/2 to 5 years

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Wow...check out this nugget from PFT:

Partial tear in Favre's cuff likely to worsen
Posted by Tom Curran on August 20, 2009 11:33 AM ET
At Wednesday's Vikings practice, teammates of football deity Brett Favre -- already feeling humbled to be in the great man's presence -- couldn't help but elbow each other and say, "Holy %$%*, he throws footballs HARD!"

"The dude's throwing missiles out there," Vikings defensive end Jared Allen said.

"It's hot, it's hot," wide receiver Bobby Wade added. [Editor's note: We're assuming he was not juggling a freshly-microwaved potato at the time.]

The feedback naturally sparks curiosity as to the life expectancy of a right arm with a partially torn rotator cuff, when said right arm is attached to a 39-going-on-40-year-old body.

"It all depends how partial the partial tear is," a doctor with experience treating high-level athletes in both football and baseball told PFT. "If the tear encompasses an area of five to seven millimeters and is well-conditioned in the area around it, it may hold up for a while. On the other hand, if it's a two-centimeter tear and there's retraction around it, it's much less likely to do well."

Favre said Tuesday that the tear was discovered by renowned orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews as he repaired Favre's biceps tendon. Favre noted that, according to Andrews, the partial tear may have been present longer than the biceps tear.


Favre didn't say how big the tear is.

Still, torn rotator cuffs don't heal without surgery. And they'll worsen over time because of trauma or overuse.

"Cleared to play does not mean 'cleared to play well'," said the medical source. "He's at high risk [for greater tearing] both because of trauma and his style of play in which he will go downfield or throw with a lot of velocity. He's going to stress his cuff."

Is age a factor?

"Absolutely," the source said. "A player under 25 very rarely thinks of rotator cuff tears. Over 40, it's the No. 1 cause of shoulder pain. That's a big fact against him."

In other words, "Sage, Tarvaris? Stay loose."

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 20, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone heard any comments from Fran Tarkenton?

I don't know if he's mad at Favre for his indecisiveness, or is he worried that of all the QBs to go under center for the Vikings, Favre's numbers would be better.

A man's legacy is all he has left in the end. Tarkenton shouldn't worry, the fans and the rest of the world will never view Favre as a Viking.

I consider Warren Moon or Randall Cunningham more of a Viking than Favre.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The law in NY is if it is no registered in NY mandatory 3 1/2 to 5 years

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2009 11:52 AM

I agree on the facts. My issue is the charge he received. It's up to the prosecuters to decide that. I am sure they have misdemeaner gun charges as well.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 20, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I know this is a tired topic, but DeAngelo Hall will have a better year (and career) than Carlos Rogers. Book it.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 20, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Maybe now John Madden will come out of retirement for one year in the Vikings broadcast booth.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 20, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

And Cameo is overrated as a band.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 20, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe now John Madden will come out of retirement for one year in the Vikings broadcast booth.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 20, 2009 12:02 PM

In the booth? How about as head coach?!

They could have Favre in his prime...no team with Brad Childress is going to win a Super Bowl. Guaranteed.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 20, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Anybody have ESPN Insider up here? I'm curious to read the season preview for the Redskins that just came out today.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=4402515&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d4402515

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"I know this is a tired topic, but DeAngelo Hall will have a better year (and career) than Carlos Rogers. Book it."

What's your criteria for a "better year"?
DHall might have more picks, but he'll probably give up more yards and TD's than Los.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | August 20, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

So what has changed on the O-line that breeds optimism.... DEVIN CLARK being injured?

Posted by: glawrence007 | August 20, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"What's your criteria for a "better year"?
DHall might have more picks"

Yea, that's pretty much his criteria.

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

psps23,

DHall may get around to reading that article on his THIRD trip to Hawaii this offseason. I wonder if Carlos has ever been to Hawaii...

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 20, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

What does "smh" mean in Twitter?

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Shakin' my head.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 20, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

F ESPN as a staff record label
and as a mf'n crew, and if you down with ESPN well f you too.

LOL.. 'Pac sure was angry...

I'm glad Rod Marinelli is out as head coach only because for some reason I used to get him and Childress mixed up.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

And Cameo is overrated as a band.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 20, 2009 12:07 PM

OOWWWWW!!

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 20, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

You got it twisted, beatrizz. I don't have anything against Hall. By all means, I'd be ecstatic if he makes the pro bowl.

I honestly just want to read the article.

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

You know, at one point this CB discussion was interesting because it compared DBs from other teams. But this... comparing DBs on the same team?

Isn't that like arguing which boob is gonna produce more milk?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 20, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that like arguing which boob is gonna produce more milk?

Posted by: mattsoundworld

When I was much younger, I actually found that debate to be mildly entertaining.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 20, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"You know, at one point this CB discussion was interesting because it compared DBs from other teams. But this... comparing DBs on the same team?

Isn't that like arguing which boob is gonna produce more milk?

Posted by: mattsoundworld"

Some people just love to hate their own players. I think Snyder subscribes to this philosophy at times, as well.

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather not throw it back to my mothers rack, but I guess we just grabbed a snorkel and jumped in that gutter.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 20, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Marko Mitchell is allegedly burning through our secondary during camp?? First him and D-hall get into a fight because he couldn't hold him down, he burns Old Man Smoot and Loso hasn't been able to stop him all camp.. IMO this is good news hip hoppers.. Two big body dudes that can catch and manhandle DBs can be VERY comforting to a QB that gets about 2 seconds to throw a ball.
Chances he gets into the rotation of wideouts this year anyone????

Posted by: redshot84 | August 20, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Carlos has ever been to Hawaii...

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 20, 2009 12:14 PM

Probably, but it wasn't ALL EXPENSES PAID trip to Hawaii for you and your fam....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 20, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Marko Mitchell is allegedly burning through our secondary during camp?? First him and D-hall get into a fight because he couldn't hold him down, he burns Old Man Smoot and Loso hasn't been able to stop him all camp.. IMO this is good news hip hoppers.. Two big body dudes that can catch and manhandle DBs can be VERY comforting to a QB that gets about 2 seconds to throw a ball.
Chances he gets into the rotation of wideouts this year anyone????

Posted by: redshot84 | August 20, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse
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Squadoosh. Hackett's taking that 5th receiver spot.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 20, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

debating who's the better CB on the same team = power rankings

Everyone benefits from their play. Or as Gary Oldman would say: EV-ERY-ONE!!!!!

If Hall has a better year than 'Los, I bet you won't see 'Los with the sad face if they're successful all around, same the other way around.

Hall can catch better than 'Los, he's not the worst of all time in coverage either, as some would like to think.

'Los is a beast in coverage, but can't catch the clap going raw in the Red Light District in Amsterdam.

They both have strength and weaknesses. I'm just glad the 'skins got 'em instead of the Eagles, Giants, or Cowboys.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Chances he gets into the rotation of wideouts this year anyone????

Posted by: redshot84 | August 20, 2009 12:24 PM

All I can say for sure is that he's a beast on Madden. Still waiting to see if that holds true in real life...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 20, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I have no beef against Carlos Rogers either. My whole point was that he was the third best CB on the team last year, which says a lot for the talent we actually had in the secondary. Given that he was the third best corner on the Redskins, he shouldn't be appearing on silly preseason "top ten" lists. That's all. Plus, I like how the whole argument PO's the Carlos Rogers fan club, which consists of 1 poster.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 20, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

And Cameo is overrated as a band.

Best 60s-70s R/B band

pick'em


Earth, Wind and Fire
P-Funk
James Brown and the Fabolous Flames
The Average White Band
Cameo
Brick
Con-Funk-Shun
Tower of Power
Rick James (yes: I know he's not a band)
Kool and the Gang
Heatwave
The Jacksons
Chic (disco, I know)
Lakeside
L.T.D.


Moe's Fav: Maurice White, Verdine White, the Phoenix Horns of Earth, Wind, and Fire.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I liked Kool & the Gang...until the song Cherish.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 20, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Starters Will Play Until Zorn Sees 'Production'"

Again: expect a strong professional performance out of the team this weekend.

If anything, pride--and unemployment-- is enough of a motivator if Zorn is not.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 20, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

He got caught up in that 'celebrity' web. If this happens around here to a average Joe Blow, he wouldn't even face prosecution because it was aleast registered, though not in the present state. Or, at worst, get a misdeamenor weapons possesion charge......

Posted by: 4thFloor

Yes, the law is much, much tougher on celebrities. The rich and famous just can't catch a break.

Posted by: mack1 | August 20, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

matt, disagree, given Mitchells status as a draft pick, I could see him making it over Hackett....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Moe, you left off Commodores?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 20, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Moe's Fav: Maurice White, Verdine White, the Phoenix Horns of Earth, Wind, and Fire.
Posted by: MistaMoe

Always in the EWF camp ... saw them last month and they still sound so good. And for whatever reason, I think they spelled the horn section 'Phenix' or something like that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"I know this is a tired topic, but DeAngelo Hall will have a better year (and career) than Carlos Rogers. Book it."

What's your criteria for a "better year"?
DHall might have more picks, but he'll probably give up more yards and TD's than Los.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | August 20, 2009 12:11 PM

deja vu from the chatter 4-5 threads ago. other stats include lower YAC and # of forced incompletions.

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Earth, Wind and Fire
The Average White Band
Kool and the Gang
Heatwave

Who was L.T.D.? I might know them if I knew what the letters stood for.

Yep mid 20's and I know a little something about 60's and 70's stuff.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

matt, disagree, given Mitchells status as a draft pick, I could see him making it over Hackett....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse
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Honestly, I could see that, too, but occasionally I like to just throw a dart out there that has as little bearing on reality as possible. For practice, of course.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 20, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

MAck - Good and Bad comes with it. That being said, I would welcome it with open arms. Next time, hire a gaurd to carry the gun........

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 20, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

psps23,

i posted the article from espn insiders but it has to be approved first....

Posted by: mafreeman | August 20, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Plax's sentence seems very harsh to me. 2 years is a bunch. But the other issue, unique to him, is the amount of $$$ he loses. The NFL WR gig only lasts until a guy is in his mid 30's. And whatever gig Plax has after football is probably going to pay just a tiny tiny fraction of his NFL income. And there is no guarantee that he'll get anywhere near the paycheck if he returns. I think he is 32 now.

So Plax's 2 year sentence is essentially a guarantee of missing 2 seasons and a potential for Goodell to add a suspension on top of it.

The net "fine" to Plax is well in excess of $10million -- and no matter how you cut it, that is a huge price to pay. In addition to 2 years in jail.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

psps23,

i posted the article from espn insiders but it has to be approved first....

Posted by: mafreeman


you gotta post it in parts.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Does he have to serve everyday of that 2 year bid? If not, he won't do any more than 19 months.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Rare Earth?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 20, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe

2 words: Ohio Players

Wanna see J C goes downfield to #11 and #12, provided the extra TE and RB can pick up impending blitzes from the Steelers.

Let's hope Plaxico doesn't remain a WR....

Posted by: bernard_thompson | August 20, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Any word on the Haynesworth tampering charges?

Posted by: mburns134 | August 20, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Skins CB Hall's improvement overrated

Think DeAngelo Hall has finally found his way in Washington? Think again.

By Doug Farrar Football Outsiders

With the regular season less than a month away, the Football Outsiders use their unique brand of analysis to break down each of the league's 32 teams. The series continues today with a look at the Washington Redskins.

Season Preview -- Washington Redskins

Albert Haynesworth will do wonders for a fellow linemate, but the Redskins' star RB and a newly signed CB won't meet expectations.

To see which player could soar, which could sink and who you need to be watching before the opener, you must be an ESPN Insider.

One up: DE Andre Carter

The Redskins brought a subpar pass rush in 2008, ranking 29th in Football Outsiders' adjusted sack rate statistic, despite the fact that defensive coordinator Greg Blache sent six or more defenders on blitzes 14.4 percent of the time, third-highest in the league. That's why Washington paid elite tackle Albert Haynesworth $41 million in guaranteed money, and veteran end Carter could benefit immensely from that addition.

Three And Out: Redskins
NFC East blogger Matt Mosley has thoughts on the O-Line, Haynesworth's productivity and the development of a second WR. Three and Out

Though Carter had only four sacks last season, he tied for 11th in the NFL with 13 quarterback hits and tied for 12th with 13 quarterback hurries. In 2007, Carter had 10.5 sacks with tackles Cornelius Griffin and Anthony Montgomery playing more effectively than they did in 2008. Haynesworth demands at least a double-team on every play, which is something you didn't see on the Redskins' line last season. Washington is expecting a lot from first-round pick Brian Orakpo, but if he struggles, as many first-year ends do, don't be surprised if Carter picks up the slack.

pt 1 of 3

Posted by: mafreeman | August 20, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Love Togetherness and Devotion but they went by LTD. Their lead singer was Jeffrey Osborne. I think their biggest hit was "Love Ballad"

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 20, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Trending down: RB Clinton Portis

In the first eight games of 2008, Portis led the NFL in rushing with 944 yards on 187 carries. In the second half of the season, that 5.0 yards-per-carry average plummeted to 3.5, as Portis and his offensive line struggled with injuries and ineffectiveness. The 374 carries Portis was on track for put him on the wrong side of the overload curve, and he ran for 100 yards only once in his final eight games after doing that five straight times to end the first half of the season.

When left tackle Chris Samuels was out of the lineup more often as the season went on, every element of the running game went down: total yards, adjusted line yards and effective plays in power situations. The Redskins' offensive line has many question marks right now, because the team didn't take advantage of the past two rich draft classes while age and injury eroded what they already had. In addition, on Sept. 1, Portis will turn 28, and that's the age at which most backs start falling back from the elite.

pt 2 of 3

Posted by: mafreeman | August 20, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

What does "WMEA" OR "FJM" mean in Twitter?

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2009 12:14 PM

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

One to watch: CB DeAngelo Hall

Don't expect Hall to earn that $23 million this season.

The outspoken cornerback burned his bridges in Atlanta and Oakland, but the Redskins liked him enough after half a season to offer him a huge contract with $23 million guaranteed. Hall's coverage numbers improved when he moved from Oakland to D.C., but there are a couple of things that mark this as possible statistical white noise.

In the second half of last season (after Hall had departed), Oakland's rating in Football Outsiders' advanced defense-adjusted value of average (DVOA) metric went from 9.1 percent to minus-1.0 percent. (Remember, defensive DVOA is better when it's negative). Meanwhile, Washington had a 4.4 percent pass defense DVOA without Hall and 8.7 percent with him. When he was in Oakland, Hall faced elite passers like Jay Cutler, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan and Philip Rivers. His four starts for the Redskins were against Joe Flacco, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Donovan McNabb and Shaun Hill, so the supposed improvement might not have been quite as significant as most people believe.

Doug Farrar is a writer for Football Outsiders.

pt 3 of 3

Posted by: mafreeman | August 20, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Re Plax. The law is the law. His plea deal was apparently more lenient, but he didn't take it (for whatever reason).

The thing to note here is that there are a lot of laws on the books like this that never get noticed until something strange goes down.

So now would be the time to wonder what else your legislatures are cooking up, instead of saying, 'gosh, Plax should have just plead guilty'. Had he done so, then the law would have amounted to coercion.

Most people here recognize that this retarded law stretches the meaning of 'reasonable and just punishment', yet seem to be taking it out on Plax, who I can assure you did not make the law.

*stepping down from soap box*

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 20, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

matt, disagree, given Mitchells status as a draft pick, I could see him making it over Hackett....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Beantown, I agree with you on the draft pick status point.. Zorn might play favorites with Hackett because of prior history but Mitchell is a haus and can straight up ball..

Posted by: redshot84 | August 20, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Red, I was wrong. Their biggest hit was this little ditty. "Love Ballad", which was has been remade many times (George Benson's is best), was their second biggest record. Both went #1 on R&B charts but "Back in Love" went to #4 on the pop charts while "Love Ballad" only made #20.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 20, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe people are crying for Plax. He took a handgun into a crowded night club and didn't have the sense to secure it on his person. Luckily he was the only person that was injured. If he was that worried about getting jacked he should have hired security.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 20, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough, learned, but I'm curious - what does the average first time conviction for assault in New York earn someone in prison time - bet it's nowhere near two years in prison.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 20, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

mafreeman, thanks for posting that.

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Things I would like to see the Redskins do against the Steelers:

•For their first kickoff, the Redskins should do an onside kick just like Tomlinson did to them last year.

•Have Randal El run the same wide receiver option play that he did in the Super Bowl XL when he was with the Steelers.

•Have Betts wear his “Bettis” jersey. That should get the Steelers fans in a tizzy.

•Have the Redskin stadium give away maroon “terrible towels” to every fan. Oh, wait a minute, they are calling them rally towels. I hope they are maroon or else everyone will think the fans are rooting for the Steelers.

•For one play on offense, I think the team should let James Harrison in (on purpose) and have Jason Campbell fire a bullet right to the guy’s groin. Then the whole offensive line jumps on him, ala “The Longest Yard”. On the second play, do it again.

•Have the Redskins defense line up in a 3-4 Blitzburgh alignment and then bring the house on a blitz.

•Bring Haynesworth in as a fullback, hand it off to him, and let him run a dive play between the center and guard.

•When Hines Ward is running a sideline route, have Landry bulldoze him into the Redskins bench and then let the players on the sidelines gang tackle him: everybody gets a hit!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 20, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"Starters Will Play Until Zorn Sees 'Production'"

Is this Zorn's way of convincing the FO that they need offensive line help NOW?

Posted by: fwroy | August 20, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, how much can SportsCenter harp on one subject.. It's like Vick says to Farve.."
Hey man thanks for taking the heat off of me for a while" Farve says to Plax " Hey man thanks for taking the heat off of me for a while".. Actually scratch that.. People will be questioning if Farve will come back after he's dead..
SportsCenter year 2040 reads as follows
"Breaking News: Rumors circling the NFL states that Brett Farve is said to be considering coming back from the dead and playing one more year with the Houston Texans.. More of this developing story to come FOREVER!"

Posted by: redshot84 | August 20, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

My bad.. I meant Favre

Posted by: redshot84 | August 20, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe people are crying for Plax. He took a handgun into a crowded night club and didn't have the sense to secure it on his person. Luckily he was the only person that was injured. If he was that worried about getting jacked he should have hired security.

Posted by: learnedhand1

I'm not crying for him, but I am saying that because he has to give up a uniquely lucrative career that operates on a very limited time span, the hit to him is uniquely large.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

HE shot himself while trying to pull it out of his waist in a seperate room where it was just him and security...

Stupidity is one thing. A 2 year prison term is a whole nother. I don't think this was what the law was intended for....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 20, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Alright, who is our 5th (and maybe 6th?) WR(s) come 9/13?

Posted by: Rypien11 | August 20, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead is pumped!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers is the best corner on this team hands down.

DeAngelo Hall is inconsistent and prone to giving up big plays.


I'll take a corner that can't catch over one who will generate more picks but also gives up lots more TD's.

Posted by: ecale25 | August 20, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

You have to admire FIREJIMZORN persistence.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009

Yes, in the same way one admires an OCD victim for washing his hands 500 times a day.

Posted by: TheCork | August 20, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Stupidity is one thing. A 2 year prison term is a whole nother. I don't think this was what the law was intended for....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 20, 2009 1:15 PM

I agree with you 4th. This isn't my idea of justice.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

someone should have taught Plax where the safety was....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers is the best corner on this team hands down.

DeAngelo Hall is inconsistent and prone to giving up big plays.


I'll take a corner that can't catch over one who will generate more picks but also gives up lots more TD's.

Posted by: ecale25

I suspect that a bunch more picks are coming our way, even without having to gamble on a play. Albert will create pressure up the middle (or he'll be doubled meaning Golston or Griff will get the pressure). And when QBs can't step up, their throws tend to hang. eli is very susceptible to this type of throw -- and he doesn't have Plax to bail him out, either.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

nah, still don't know who L.T.D. is...

I would like to see someone wipe that goofy grin off Hines Ward's face by de-cleating his a**.

Here's to Keith Rivers for some get back.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The net "fine" to Plax is well in excess of $10million -- and no matter how you cut it, that is a huge price to pay. In addition to 2 years in jail.

Posted by: zcezcest1
__________________________

To quote Gordon Gecko: "A fool and his money are lucky enough to get together in the first place."

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 20, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"Stupidity is one thing. A 2 year prison term is a whole nother. I don't think this was what the law was intended for....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 20, 2009 1:15 PM

I agree with you 4th. This isn't my idea of justice.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

It'll make the next person think twice before possessing an unlicensed handgun in NY.

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

You have to admire FIREJIMZORN persistence.

Posted by: RedDMV
_______________________

Yeah, what's up with that? Does FJZ wanna make flippy floppy with Marty?

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 20, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I actually like Cesar Chavez better now that he's got that "Dog Whisperer" show.

Posted by: talent_evaluator


That’s Caesar Romero, you itinerant maroon.

Posted by: TheCork | August 20, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Poolman was much more persistent than FIREJIMZORN... and he too disappeared into oblivion because he had nothing important to say. So will be the fate of our current troll.

Posted by: Rypien11 | August 20, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

peoplearestupid1, I say people are crazy. Agree to disagree.

Posted by: dcsween |

As always sween, the tiebreaker goes to the country music philosopher. He says:

“God is great, beer is good, people are crazy.”

Posted by: TheCork | August 20, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe people are crying for Plax. He took a handgun into a crowded night club and didn't have the sense to secure it on his person. Luckily he was the only person that was injured. If he was that worried about getting jacked he should have hired security.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Two years for, as you put it, "taking a handgun into a crowded night club and didn't have the sense to secure it on his person"? Sorry, lh, but you usually make more convincing arguments up here than this one.

Stallworth got drunk and killed a man. He spent two weeks in jail. Plax shot himself in the leg and is spending two years in jail.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Squadoosh. Hackett's taking that 5th receiver spot.

Posted by: mattsoundworld

Maybe, but Big Mouth Portis just killed any chance of stashing Mitchell on the Practice Squad this year.

Posted by: TheCork | August 20, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

What?

No Mother's Finest?

No Clarence Reid ? (sorry for the weird mix...)
....or
BLOWFLY

That MF rat ^^ dere is sampled more than anybody!

Heck - how 'bout some love for Trouble Funk who started in '78... it almost counts ;]

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Game Thoughts and Predictions

Hmmm.... offense will see how conditioned they are - first stringers will play well into the fourth quarter. Clinton Portis will get fed up and sit in the middle of the field and throw a tantrum. This will be a first for the redskins in the game - an offensive player touching the 50 yard line.

Defensive players will score all the points in the game with two safeties and two INTs for touchdowns in an eerie glimpse into the season when cornerbacks will have more INT return yards and TD's than wide receivers have receiving yards and TD's for the redskins.

Skins win against Pittsburgh 18-14

Game aftermaths: Clinton Portis will never take off his Sheriff I Want My Mommy outfit and wide receiver busts Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly will star in a gay porno to justify their position as wide receivers. Justin Tryon will be given an opportunity to find someone he can cover and a statue will be trucked into Redskin park.

Famous Post Game Quotes...

Coach Zorn "What you witnessed tonight by our offensive line was a complete phone-in performance. I had to tie up Joe Bugel to prevent him from putting on a uniform and saving the game."

Clinton Portis "I want my mommy - I don't play in preseason games"

Ben Rothlesbooger "I spent more time on my back than a Soprano Goombah and it was just as punishing."

Redskin kickers "We may never kick a field goal this year - but that defense gives us a good workout on kickoffs with all those scores!"

Jason Campbell "We should have gotten Brett Fav-ray to take all these licks. Maybe that would change his mind about retiring, un-retiring, retiring, un-retiring, retiring, un-retiring...."

Posted by: laserwizard | August 20, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Stupidity is one thing. A 2 year prison term is a whole nother. I don't think this was what the law was intended for....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 20, 2009 1:15 PM

I agree with you 4th. This isn't my idea of justice.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

It'll make the next person think twice before possessing an unlicensed handgun in NY.

Posted by: psps23
_________________________

And you gotta love what Plax's liar, er lawyer, said about this "unfair" sentence... "Any other guy would've just walked out of that club."

Umm, you mean despite the gunshot wound?

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 20, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

It'll make the next person think twice before possessing an unlicensed handgun in NY.

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 1:26 PM

That's the theory. It would make him think three times if we just went ahead and executed Plax.

Treating a man unjustly on the premise that it will deter other people is still unjust.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Though Carter had only four sacks last season, he tied for 11th in the NFL with 13 quarterback hits and tied for 12th with 13 quarterback hurries."

A lot of people were down on Carter last season, claiming that he was owned in pass-rushing situations. This should help alleviate some of those criticisms. A lot of Carter's pressures were avoided by virtue of the QB being able to step up in the pocket, something that (hopefully) should be taken care of with Haynesworth collapsing the pocket.

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Boxy>SIGNCHRISCOOLEY>FIREJIMZORN

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Poolman was much more persistent than FIREJIMZORN... and he too disappeared into oblivion because he had nothing important to say. So will be the fate of our current troll.

Posted by: Rypien11

Sorry to bust your bubble ! But poolman has manifested into FJZ, with great cause. Why are we running from one simple question ?


Does anyone know Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

jason has about 4 games to prove himself with mr. snyder....check out the coverage here

http://www.comcastsportsnet.tv/pages/multimedia_videos

Posted by: nattylite88 | August 20, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

he too disappeared into oblivion because he had nothing important to say.

Posted by: Rypien11

Important? That's the standard now? We're all headed for oblivion except Brownwood and JM220.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

jason has about 4 games to prove himself with mr. snyder....check out the coverage here
http://www.comcastsportsnet.tv/pages/multimedia_videos
Posted by: nattylite88 | August 20, 2009 1:39 PM |


Can’t view the video. If Snyder is choosing who starts and who doesn’t than this team is in big trouble.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 20, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

HE shot himself while trying to pull it out of his waist in a seperate room where it was just him and security...

Stupidity is one thing. A 2 year prison term is a whole nother. I don't think this was what the law was intended for....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 20, 2009 1:15 PM

So he really didn't need the gun. My point is people should be able to go out and have a good time without having to worry about untrained yahoos possessing firearms and drinking alcohol. And anyone who handles handguns knows that to fire a Glock, you have to chamber a round and pull the trigger. Why is he carry a gun with a chambered round with the safety off in his sweatpants in a club's VIP? So for two years the public is protected from Plax.


From the Daily News: "Burress' latest self-inflicted wound came after he was initially turned away from the LQ nightclub in midtown because he was packing heat, police sources said. Burress, 31, who was sporting flashy jewelry and carrying loads of cash, told club management he needed the gun to protect himself, sources said.
The mercurial Giant was waved inside the crowded Latin-themed club on Lexington Ave. about midnight. He downed several drinks, making already jittery security guards more nervous about his weapon. As Burress was being led into a VIP area, with a drink in his hand, the gun slipped down his pants leg. He reached for the weapon, but fumbled it and it went off, sources said."

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 20, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

jason has about 4 games to prove himself with mr. snyder....check out the coverage here

http://www.comcastsportsnet.tv/pages/multimedia_videos

Posted by: nattylite88 | August 20, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Where does this say anything about JC having a time frame to prove himself??

Posted by: redshot84 | August 20, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"Starters Will Play Until Zorn Sees 'Production"

Bring sleeping bags.

Posted by: bones21 | August 20, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

It'll make the next person think twice before possessing an unlicensed handgun in NY.

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 1:26 PM

That's the theory. It would make him think three times if we just went ahead and executed Plax.

Treating a man unjustly on the premise that it will deter other people is still unjust.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse
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+909.875 repeating

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 20, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"Treating a man unjustly on the premise that it will deter other people is still unjust.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

True. It's a fine line when you get down to it. But let's not act like he stole a pack of starburst from Safeway. The guy potentially and illegally endangered the lives of hundreds of innocent people.

Of course, I'm new school and think it's straight 'tarded for anyone to carry a loaded gun in public at any time, and think the price paid for an 'accident' regarding said gun far, far outweighs the repercussions given to the average offender of the law (which apparently Plax has exceeded). So, in my mind, I really don't see this as unjust.

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Good luck with that Zorny. This is the other team that completely overwhelmed and dominated this offense last year. Given what happened against the Ravens do you expect it to be any different against Pittsburgh? Given that the OL without 35 year old Pete Kendall will likely be worst not better? And we both know that isn't saying much ...

Maybe Seattle will hire you next year.

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

TE, I missed the part where I compared Stallworth's and Plax's crimes and punishments or argued their relative fairness. But what happened in a courtroom in Fla has nothing to do with what happened in a courtroom in NY.

Plax wanted to be a cowboy but stepped in some giant sjk and now the eagle won't be flying on Fridays. HTTR.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 20, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"Stupidity is one thing. A 2 year prison term is a whole nother. I don't think this was what the law was intended for....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 20, 2009 1:15 PM

I agree with you 4th. This isn't my idea of justice.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

I think the "intention" of the law is to punish people who carry unlicensed firearms. And Mr. Plastic wasn't sitting on his front porch minding his own business. He was in a crowded club and the f-ing thing went off. He's lucky he didn't kill someone.

Posted by: mack1 | August 20, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"Though Carter had only four sacks last season, he tied for 11th in the NFL with 13 quarterback hits and tied for 12th with 13 quarterback hurries."

A lot of people were down on Carter last season, claiming that he was owned in pass-rushing situations. This should help alleviate some of those criticisms. A lot of Carter's pressures were avoided by virtue of the QB being able to step up in the pocket, something that (hopefully) should be taken care of with Haynesworth collapsing the pocket.

Posted by: psps23

Every time I watched Carter, he was owned. No help from an RB chip needed. And I watched him quite a bit.

The upside with Carter comes because he has a great motor, never quits and has been healthy. Because of his persistence. when a QB holds the ball or starts to move out of the pocket, Carter becomes more effective. But he doesn't beat his guy very often.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Two years is a bit much for pulling a Cheddar Bob, but I guess an example was made and blah, blah....

"Trailor trash, I'll choke you to your last breath
And have you lookin foolish
Like Cheddar Bob when he shot himself
Silly Rabbit, I know why they call you that
Cause you follow Future like you got carrots up his a**crack
And when you actin up thats when you got jacked up
And left stupid like Tina Turner when she got smacked up"

SIGN CHRIS COOLEY was the man. I had forgotten all about Poolman.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Nats -> on their way up through solid young pitching.

Redskins -> On their way; way, way down because of a really stupid GM named Daniel Snyder.

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins offense will be on the field on Saturday until they come up with Schottenhiemer's e-mail address.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 20, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

From the Houston Chronicle:
Are you kidding? Dallas will go 11 and 5,,,,THe Pasadena Texans will go 6 and 10. Dallas's offense is far more Superior then the Texans. The Texans will need Schaub to play all 16 games this year just to go their usual 8 and 8 AGAIN. Houston has an unknown 2nd string at QB, and no 3 stringer.

On defense, Dallas has Demarcus ware, Jay Ratliff, and Terrance Newman,,that covers their D-line, their middle, and their corner/safety. Houston has no one of any consequence. Their only hope on defense is sitting out sulking about money that he doesn't deserve, and Maria will be lucky to have 6 sacks this year. (Whatever happened to Duane Brown?)

The funny thing is, not one Texan fan will admit this. These are the same hapless wonders who are thrilled that their team went 8 and 8 again. To Houston fan, being mediocre is better then playing in a play-off game, and lose.

Bottom line,,,DALLAS WILL WIN 5 MORE GAMES THEN THE PASADENA TEXANS! I am a cowboy fan, I know more then everyone of you."

I'd like to say that I am proud to be a posting member of RI, because it's really apparent that Cowboy's fans should not be allowed anywhere near a keyboard.

"

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 20, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"Every time I watched Carter, he was owned. No help from an RB chip needed. And I watched him quite a bit."

Well, unless you watched every DE and analyzed the amount of times they got stoned, you really can't make a comparison.

Eleventh and 12th in the league in hits and hurries indicates an ability that's different from your analysis. Maybe you're right, but his 10.5 sacks in 2007 and his high level of hits and hurries in 2008 suggest otherwise.

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

***MLB POST***

Nationals should be alright in the next year or two. They're good at some positions -- with a few dudes coming up in their farm system. Morgan, Willingham, Zimmerman are good. Dunn, Guzman, and Dukes are decent to alright. Pitching is getting better, hopefully the boy Strasburg isn't bust town.

Might want to reserve a seat on the 'Nat Wagon' while there is still plenty of seating left.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I hope Zorn has talked to Tomlin and he has agreed to do the same, otherwise I don't know what you gain by playing the 1st stringers against guys who are really working out for UPS and FEDEX come September.

Posted by: clark202 | August 20, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Clark - some confidence (unwarranted though it may be...)

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"Every time I watched Carter, he was owned. No help from an RB chip needed. And I watched him quite a bit."

Well, unless you watched every DE and analyzed the amount of times they got stoned, you really can't make a comparison.

Eleventh and 12th in the league in hits and hurries indicates an ability that's different from your analysis. Maybe you're right, but his 10.5 sacks in 2007 and his high level of hits and hurries in 2008 suggest otherwise.

Posted by: psps23

I can't comment directly on the stats because I have no idea how they were compiled. Literally every time I watched him, the RT blocking him looked like a HOF guy.

I'll agree that the 2007 season was reason for optimism. But in 2008, no one doubled him and he just wasn't getting pressure ... I'm guessing the stats you cited are misleading.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"***MLB POST***

Nationals should be alright in the next year or two."

It may be a lot better than people realize. Morgan, Zimmerman, Dunn, Willigham are having close-to-astounding career years. All four are hitting better than they ever have career-wise!? Alright does not come close to describing Dunn as he is out-performing the 188 million dollar man Texiera. Its the defense that has hurt him.

The problem is pitching, which is mostly made up of young prospects. Right now they have at least 15 potential starting pitchers that will appear next year in spring training that will be brought up from the minors and what are in the majors. They have at least 4-5 promising relievers plus 2-3 currently in the bullpen.

They are in the midst of a torrid August. But everyone will have to wait and see what happens in September and October when they once again go up against the contenders.

Their needs for next year are middle of the infield and 1 veteran starting pitcher to mentor/lead a very young staff. Or perhaps a Smoltz. They already have 2 or 3 potential closers so that including and especially 1st round draft pick Drew Storen out of Stanford.

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

if anyone is interested, Carmen Policy is on live at www.kgoradio.com.

Policy was president of the 49ers during their great run in the 80's and into the 90's.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"Starters Will Play Until Zorn Sees 'Production'"

Huh, does Zorn know that the game is only 60 minutes long?

Posted by: Predator48 | August 20, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Nationals's Season Tickets could be worth something next year.

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

If the offensive line completely collapses can they still resign Geisinger to come in?

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

awesome, that means we'll get to watch the starters for the whole game!

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 20, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

That's the theory. It would make him think three times if we just went ahead and executed Plax.

Treating a man unjustly on the premise that it will deter other people is still unjust.

Posted by: talent_evaluator |

1. He broke an existing law, to which he pled "Guilty."

2. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. His financial status enabled him to pay for the finest legal advice, as he is entitled to under the law.

3. He's doing two years (probably less) on a three 1/2 year manditory bit. As his lawyers are still employed by him one can assume that was their recommendation.

4. No one threatened him with execution. That would be illegal. And yes, I know you meant it as hyperbole.

5. If you believe the law to be unjust, use the legal process to change it. You are entitled to do so under the law.

6. Not sure how your logic leads you to believe he was "treated unjustly."

7. I realize the laws of the United States and the individual states are imperfect, but there are many graver miscarriages of justice inflicted upon those not so gifted, nor so wealthy a perpetrator. If you wish to improve their lot, I'm sure there are many organizations that will accept your service. I'd suggest the ACLU but I don't have their email ADD.

Posted by: TheCork | August 20, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have the Email ADD of the ACLU?

Posted by: TheCork | August 20, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

As Burress was being led into a VIP area, with a drink in his hand, the gun slipped down his pants leg. He reached for the weapon, but fumbled it and it went off, sources said."

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 20, 2009 1:43 PM

Treating a man unjustly on the premise that it will deter other people is still unjust.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

2 year prison sentence is nothing compared to the prospect of spending eternity in a coffin if the bullet had struck his jewels instead of his leg. It's the reckless handling of an unregistered firearm that put himself and others in danger.

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 20, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

NEW PRESSER ANNOUNCEMENT.

The Washington Nationals are announcing today that Ronnie Belliard has agreed to serve as President of the Washington Nationals.

The Washington Nationals wish to thank Stan Kasten for his service to the Washington Nationals.

The Washington Redskins are announcing today that Mark Lerner and the Lerner group have purchased the Washington Redskins from Daniel Snyder. The Lerner's wished to thank Mr. Snyder for his wonderful stewardship of the Redskins.

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have the Email ADD of the ACLU?

Posted by: TheCork | August 20, 2009 2:24 PM

aclu@bunchoff'inguselessmorons.org

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 20, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Redskins are announcing today that Mark Lerner and the Lerner group have purchased the Washington Redskins from Daniel Snyder. The Lerner's wished to thank Mr. Snyder for his wonderful stewardship of the Redskins.

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2009 2:33 PM

Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Carmen Policy:

"free agency can help teams become good quickly, but ... is not the silver bullet ... and its not what creates an enduring (successful) scenario"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I wish that was true about Snidely

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 20, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Why does this necessarily have to be a make or break season for Zorn?

Won't we rip Snyder for not having patience if he fires him?

Won't we rip Snyder for keeping Zorn if we don't make the playoffs?

Posted by: rickyroge | August 20, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Stupidity is one thing. A 2 year prison term is a whole nother. I don't think this was what the law was intended for....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 20, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think it is exactly what the law was intended for. New York was becoming infamous for all of its gun related murders and the known traffic pattern of unregistered guns coming up from Virginia. They purposely made extremely strict gun laws to cut down on the violence and to deter people from carrying firearms. Notice how over the past 10 or so years how gun related murders dropped in New York, these laws were created as a major deterrence. However, these athletes feel they are above the laws of the common man and they shouldnt apply to them.


That old saying never rang more true:

"If you cant do the time, dont do the crime"

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 20, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Nationals's Season Tickets could be worth something next year.

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2009 2:19 PM

Sure. If you make a deposit on them within the next two weeks, you get preferred seating for this year's playoff games.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Why does this necessarily have to be a make or break season for Zorn?

Won't we rip Snyder for not having patience if he fires him?

Won't we rip Snyder for keeping Zorn if we don't make the playoffs?

Posted by: rickyroge | August 20, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse
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I hereby charge you with crimes against insanity!

How do you plead?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 20, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Usain Bolt has set a world record of 19.19 seconds in the 200 meters at the world championships, adding to the gold he won in the 100.

Bolt is a straight beast man.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Get ready for another shutout. Zorn's pathetic 5 yard passing attack is ridiculous. Maybe this game will get him canned.

Posted by: larrypalma | August 20, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Don Banks at SI ranked the backup QBs in the league. The BACKUPS ... and some pretty high recent draft picks show up well down the BACKUP list. Another example of why drafting a QB near the top and paying such huge $$$ is such a significant risk.

21. Vince Young, Tennessee -- Young has made some decent strides this preseason, but the fact that he's trying to hold off veteran Patrick Ramsey at No. 2 rather than battling Kerry Collins for the No. 1 job is all you need to know about where his stock resides in Tennessee as his make-or-break fourth NFL season dawns.

22. Matt Leinart, Arizona -- It didn't seem fair not to have Young and Leinart together again in an altogether different kind of quarterback ranking than the one they shared in those heady days of draft season 2006. Leinart might still make an NFL career for himself, but at this point what has he showed us other than inconsistency?

27. David Carr, New York Giants -- Speaking of less than scintillating play in that Panthers-Giants preseason opener the other night, I watched Carr take three sacks in his four series of work. Almost a sack a series is not what New York is looking for. The Giants better hope Eli Manning has yet another 16-start season in him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

z, that article by banks was straight crapola...he listed mike vick as the #2 back up qb in the league.

Right....guy hasn't played football in 2 years...hasn't been in football shape in 2 years, but he's the #2.....sorry, just don't see it.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

You're not allowed to hate on Jason Campbell, per Michael Tunison. As a matter of fact when he gets sacked this year, you're required to tell him: "Awwww" and in a high pitched voice ask him: "Did you get a boo-boo?"

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Get ready for another shutout. Zorn's pathetic 5 yard passing attack is ridiculous. Maybe this game will get him canned.

Posted by: larrypalma | August 20, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Harrypalma, have a little faith in the system.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 20, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

yo haters. Portis and Moss didn't play againxt the Ravens. What do you expect the offense to do without these two?????

Campbell actually had time in the pocket, except for the time Cooley got beat on a zone blitz.

Hagans dropped what would have been our biggest play.

I know most of you love to hate the players because you don't like the owner?!? it's called being a HATER.

If you were expecting production on offense w/o Portis and Moss YOU ARE JUST PLAIN STUPID.

No one got hurt and Campbell actulaly had time to throw. That is all I wanted to see in week 1 of pre-season. It's called being reasonable.

Kelly 12 matched his '08 reg season production with 3 catches, that's a good thing you dimwit HATERs

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 20, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

It'll make the next person think twice before possessing an unlicensed handgun in NY.

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 1:26 PM

I doubt it.....

Most people who carry guns are Drug Dealers, STick Up Boys, and the people scarred of Stick Up Boys (Drug Dealers and People like Plax-Rich). A long as they are scarred/paranoid about the other, it won't change.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 20, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

4th - not so in Miamuh. Lots of toters there. Same reasoning, tho - you just never know, so don't try it.

It's worked in many locales.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

If you are guilty of crimes against insanity, will you get a reverse lobotomy?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 20, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

did anyone besides me notice how bad Cutler and Orton did? That could have been us.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 20, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

If you are guilty of crimes against insanity, will you get a reverse lobotomy?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 20, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse
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The court might order it

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 20, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

thank Sammy Baugh it wasn't us, Brian!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 20, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

did anyone besides me notice how bad Cutler and Orton did? That could have been us.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 20, 2009 3:17 PM

Yeah and we noticed how well Sanchez did. That could have been us.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Cue Brett Keisel killing JC's left knee . . .

Posted by: whughes1 | August 20, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

When Vick sh**s on the competition this year, maybe then some come around to the number two back-up QB ranking.

I'm going LMBAO at the anti-Vick crowd. Especially the former that are 'skins fans.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

red, he hasn't played in 2 years, he's not deserving of the #2 ranking, is all I'm saying.....

What if when he scores a touchdown, he gets down on his hands and knees and starts acting like a dog.....how funny would that be......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

on the Andre Carter, pressures and AB hits ... I would like to see those stats, if anyone has a link ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 20, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

What if when he scores a touchdown, he gets down on his hands and knees and starts acting like a dog.....how funny would that be......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


Again, LMAO... That would defintely be some really funny stuff. I'm sure it'll piss off a lot of out-of-the-woodwork "dog lovers" and self-righteous pr*cks.

I was thinking earlier, although it'll never stick, Vick's nickname should be 'Raw Dog'.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 20, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"Starters Will Play Until Zorn Sees 'Production'"

Because of the expense, pee alone is not enough to warrant changing my daughter's diaper. We don't change until we see some "production." [Not sure that that was what Zorn was talking about though.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Z, they're from the ESPN Insider article mafreeman posted earlier. You can't see it unless you have ESPN Insider, but you can read it up above (or maybe on the last thread).

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Yeah and we noticed how well Sanchez did. That could have been us.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 20, 2009 3:20 PM |

So, what you're implying is that you agree with Danny and Vinny. That's very interesting. So, at 3:20 p est t_e admits he thinks Danny and Vinny are right about Jason Campbell NOT being the guy.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 20, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

red, I'd just like to see Roger Goodells facial reaction if this were to happen...now that would be priceless....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Pretty interesting read regarding Campbell:

http://www.homermcfanboy.com/2009/08/20/campbell-haters-beware/

Here's a snapshot:

"Here’s what most fans don’t know about last season (again, courtesy of Football Outsiders Almanac):

1. Campbell’s receivers led the league in dropped passes with 39. We repeat – Redskins receivers dropped more passes than anyone else in football in 2008.

2. Receivers Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El both ranked in the top 10 in the NFL in dropped passes. Moss ranked second with 12 (behind only Cleveland’s Braylon Edwards with 15), while Randle El was tied for ninth with nine drops.

3. Running back Clinton Portis only had six drops. Compared to Moss and Randle El that seems okay, but he was actually third in the league in percentage of dropped passes (17 percent).

4. Campbell was also in the top 10 in the NFL last season in passes defended with 50 – meaning if Campbell threw a “jump ball,” more times than not, the defender beat the receiver on the play.

5. Campbell was sixth best in the league in percentage of overthrown passes. He overthrew his wideouts 18 times, which works out to 3.6 percent. Conversely, Derek Anderson of the Browns overthrew his receivers a league-worst nine percent of the time.

6. Campbell was second best in the NFL in underthrown passes (6.4 percent), trailing only Matt Schaub of the Houston Texans (4.9 percent). It should also be noted that Campbell attempted 126 more passes than the injury-prone Schaub. Oakland’s JaMarcus Russell led the league in underthrown passes (16.5 percent).

7. Campbell was fifth in the NFL in QB hits with 47, and tied for third in quarterback knockdowns with 88. In fact, Campbell got knocked down more than 16 percent of the time he dropped back to pass, which was eighth most in the league.

8. In spite of all of this, Campbell was eighth in the NFL in quarterback accuracy at 85.7. This statistic factors in passes that are not thrown ahead or behind, overthrown or underthrown or out of bounds."

Posted by: psps23 | August 20, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

psp, thanks for posting, I find #1, and #2 really surprising....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Beepers

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 20, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 20, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23

Nice post on Campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 20, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know Marty S. email ADD ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORN | August 20, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

IGNORE HIM AND DON'T MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT HIM AND HE WILL GO AWAY! HE IS SEEKING ATTENTION! HE IS A STUPID KID!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | August 20, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

via Matt Mosley ESPN:
1. Who will win the No. 2 receiver opposite Santana Moss?

I think second-year wide receiver Devin Thomas has the edge at this point, but Malcolm Kelly impressed both Jim Zorn and quarterback Jason Campbell with his performance against the Ravens last Thursday. Zorn has been pulling for one of his young players to win the job and it appears that Antwaan Randle El is handling that news pretty well. Thomas needs to continue to show more maturity on and off the field. He has the size and breakaway speed to be a difference-maker in '09, but he still makes some careless mistakes. Fortunately, Kelly and Thomas have an excellent mentor in Moss. He's spent a lot of time with the receivers, and he's hoping they will take some heat off him.

Posted by: bernard_thompson | August 20, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, you funny!

But I do think Joanna by Kool & the Gang is a great, great tune.

Posted by: rgj21 | August 20, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

There's a lesson to be learned from Plaxico's 2 yr sentence. Next time you consider packing a gun; stop, get drunk, hop in your car and run someone down.

Posted by: nomolehill | August 20, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

No one, would consider Jason Campbell to be an NFL quarterback.

The Redskins will finish with a 4-12 record.

It's time to say goodbye to Vincent Cerrato.

Too bad, Danny Snyder.

Maryland will finish with a 2-10 record.

Maryland's defensive line and linebacker corps are a joke --- no pass rush whatsoever and give up a ton of long yardage plays.

I have seen harder hitting teams in powder puff leagues.

The only hard hits the Terps make - are out of bound plays - which cost them an additional 15 yards - which are quite frequent.

California's running back - Best - will gain 296 yards in the opening game

I love it, when Maryland constantly gets embarrassed on national TV.

Prediction:

California -- 56
Maryland -- 10

It's hilarious to see Maryland win a game - and the very next week get clobbered by a Virginia Tech - Boston College.

It is great to see Maryland go down to a crushing defeat on the football recruiting front (the kids they have received commitments from - are a joke! - taking the bottom of the barrel)

Carolina Blue - Carolina WHITE - Go Tar Heels - Let's go Tar Heels !

Posted by: hclark1 | August 20, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

MARTY SCHOTTENHIEMMER SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE LONG TERM COACH OF DAN SNYDER'S REDKINS. The owner screwed himself by hastily disrecptfully firing him & replacing him with Mr. Non-Chalant Steve Spurrier. Marty had backbone and was cleaning house of all these fat paycheck, non producing diva's. Had he been given ample time to do his thing, the face of this organization would have been a mean one - defense & power running - true redskins football!! We would have been a consistent playoff caliber team. We need a mean & nasty coach with backbone to clean house again, get in these players faces!!!

Posted by: lszovati | August 20, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that like arguing which boob is gonna produce more milk?

Posted by: mattsoundworld

When I was much younger, I actually found that debate to be mildly entertaining.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 20, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Your killing me...!!!

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | August 21, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

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