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Strong showing for Shanahan's first day of voluntary workouts

In a strong showing of respect for Coach Mike Shanahan, many Washington Redskins veterans who usually skip voluntary workouts were in attendance Monday for the first day of the new conditioning program at Redskins Park.

Clinton Portis, Albert Haynesworth, London Fletcher and LaRon Landry were among the top players who returned to Ashburn for the first team activity under Shanahan, who repeatedly stressed he wanted all of the Redskins' "team leaders" to participate. Apparently, Shanahan's message was well received.

"To see a guy like Fletch, who's never been there but is going to come in in great shape, and to see a guy like LaRon, who's never been there but is going to come in in great shape, to see those guys around, it just let's you know the amount of respect we all have for Coach Shanahan," top cornerback DeAngelo Hall said in a phone interview. "I definitely think a lot of what you saw today just shows how much guys realize who Coach Shanahan is, what he's done in this league and what he wants to do here."

The Redskins declined to make coaches and players available to the media after Monday's meetings. In the weeks preceding the start of the conditioning program, the team also declined to permit Ray Wright, its new lead strength and conditioning coach, to speak with reporters.

It seems Shanahan's commanding presence will be among the main discussion topics for some time at the park.

"When you have a coach in there with his type of record and history throughout his career, I think guys automatically respect that," outside linebacker Lorenzo Alexander said in a phone interview. "With him coming in, you can already tell there's just a different presence he brings, a different aura, a different leadership quality that I believe that we lacked before.

"Just having that, I think guys respect that. We have guys that normally don't show up for offseason. They begin in shape, but they feel the need to be here. The bigger thing is that people want to win this year after going through a 4-12 season, 0-6 in the NFC East, and I think everyone is ready to cling on and do whatever we have to in order to get back to prominence again."

Shanahan has already put his mark on the weight room as well as the entire complex, players said. "They've moved everything around and everything up there is pretty much new," Alexander said. "They painted the whole facility, changed the weight room around and brought in new equipment.

"They're just trying to start fresh and new. They just want to throw away everything that's happened to us in the past and start all over again. It's about starting from scratch and building a great foundation."

The unfamiliar atmosphere of optimism throughout the building was even more impressive than the improved décor.

"It was all new. From the new, bright, bright walls to the attitude, man," Hall said. "Just the way he [Shanahan] presents himself. The way he wants this team to present itself and come out to play. It's just grown men here to do a job, which is win games. And if you ain't with that, you've got to go. No exceptions to the rule."

Although many players considered former Coach Jim Zorn to be a nice guy, the vibe is "just totally different with Coach Shanahan here," Hall said. "Jim Zorn was a first-time coach when he first got the job. Last year, he was going into his second year as an NFL head coach, versus Mike Shanahan, who has won Super Bowls and has coached some of the greatest players to ever play this game. He understands what it takes to coach men.

"The main thing he stressed in this thing was, 'Hey, I want you guys to win and I want you guys fresh.' He said he's not about beating people up. He's about getting good work done, getting the hell out of there and winning games. He said he's got to keep us fresh. And from that point on, I think everybody was like, 'Hell yeah!' Everybody was thinking that with Mike Shanahan here, it was about old school two-a-day practices and beating guys up. He's about just having grown men doing their jobs. From the jump, he had guys like, 'Hell yeah!" From the jump."

The players, however, must do their part to earn Shanahan's continued trust, which is why Monday's event was well attended.

"You saw today that everyone knows Coach Shanahan means business and everyone knows he's a disciplinarian," quarterback Jason Campbell said in a phone interview. "A lot of guys being here at this time of year, getting ready to get started off on the right foot, just goes to show the respect they have for Coach Shanahan.

"When you've got a coach like Coach Shanahan, you know you have to do your part as players to be on the same page and try to put a winning team on field. You can see he's trying to bring that winning attitude."

By Jason Reid  |  March 15, 2010; 10:25 PM ET
Categories:  Jason Reid , Mike Shanahan  | Tags: Albert Haynesworth, Clinton Portis, LaRon Landry, Mike Shanahan, voluntary workouts  
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Comments

First to say it all sounds great so far; hope a great O-line is next. Go Shanny!!!

Posted by: pdsuter | March 15, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I just about given up on a new post today. It's all good vibes now. We'll see how much of that vibe continues when the team faces adversity during the season.

Posted by: TWISI | March 15, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

8 hours between post on the 1st day of workouts... jreid sux... not even a filler interview w/ a player or coach... jreid sux... plus, i don't care if foote re-signerd with the steelers...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 15, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

So who didn't show?

Posted by: McMetal | March 15, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

So who didn't show?

Posted by: McMetal | March 15, 2010 10:56 PM

From what I've heard it was 100% attended.

Posted by: TWISI | March 15, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Way to early to get excited, but boy am I excited by what I just read.

Maybe we see an in shape AH and CP and a team that shows up in the 1st qtr.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 15, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Does the new weight room have a moisturizing station for Carlos Rogers' brick hands?

Posted by: isnadd | March 15, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

wow, i love how these bums just have no respect for anything. bloggers hatin on jreid, players hatin on coach zorn. wait until shanny benches d hall for not being able to tackle a slow, weak qb in a huge 3rd down play, and we'll see how much that punk likes mike shannahan's character. everything shannahan is quoted is saying in this article is the same exact thing as zorn was saying while he was here. money, power, and all the hot white women in the world must really make it much easier being such a hollow brown nosin' doosh like deangalo hall. what a joke.

Posted by: BMACattack | March 15, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

The article states the team would not let anyone be available for interviews....... jimmy_the_idiot

Posted by: cnewso01 | March 15, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Big "BEN" will play this season, with the "RAPE" case over his head.

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | March 15, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Shanny and co. have told the players if they want to be on the news to become an annoucer, find a job with a publisher or join comedy central. That sounds like he took a bilichek page book.

Your (players and all personnel) here to play football and win games not be spokesmen for the team. Either me or Bruce will handle those duties.

I, personnally like it so far, but sure makes for interesting conversation pieces on the blog.

Have fun hampsters. I think its going to be an interesting year.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | March 15, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Big Ben taking Tiger's place as the dumbest man in America.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | March 15, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Does the new weight room have a moisturizing station for Carlos Rogers' brick hands?

Posted by: isnadd | March 15, 2010 11:01 PM | Report

They need a stickem station for him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 15, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

So the players that did phone interviews pretty much admitted they and others had NOT given their all under Zorn...

Well that's great....nice to see that players were not dedicated for Zorn...way to give him a fair try "players"

Not to say Zorn should have been kept but you think the players would at least try and dedicate if for any reason...maybe the millions the team pays you? GEEZ

Posted by: leevi98 | March 15, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

I read in the Hawaii article that Colt Brennan will not report until the 16th.

Posted by: PriorKnowledge | March 15, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Reading between the lines ... they've gotten rid of a lot of people because they considered them links to the past and "leaks" in the present. Prolly some guys that go back before Gibbs ties with the media Washington Post. Apparently, Shanahan is also going to manage the media the way he plans on managing the team. It'll be interesting ... its all going to be a big surprise from here on out ...

Posted by: periculum | March 15, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

The last time I saw such respect shown to an incoming coach was when Vince Lombardi came to Washington. Even Sonny lost weight and got in shape.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 15, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

It would appear that certain players have been informed there are no back-channel ways to get around Coach Shanahan. Show up or ship out...

Posted by: acoberst1 | March 15, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

"When you have a coach in there with his type of record and history throughout his career, I think guys automatically respect that.."
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Which makes you wonder "why on the wide world of sports" would any one ever hire a college coach with no NFL coaching experience (Spurrier), or a quarter back coach with no head coaching experience (Zorn) as head coaches in the first place? No respect, no leadership, no winning tradition, no good, simple!

Posted by: JohnWWW | March 15, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I read in the Hawaii article that Colt Brennan will not report until the 16th.

Posted by: PriorKnowledge | March 15, 2010 11:26 PM

Read a similar article about big "BEN" going to court on the 16th of April for the "RAPE" case in Vegas. Can't wait to see what Shanny "BOY" does with the "O" line. Can someone verify how man "BLACK" offense linemen shanny boy has had over his career.

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | March 16, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins declined to make coaches and players available to the media after Monday's meetings. In the weeks preceding the start of the conditioning program, the team also declined to permit Ray Wright, its new lead strength and conditioning coach, to speak with reporters.
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Meet the New Boss!

What?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 16, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Does the new weight room have a moisturizing station for Carlos Rogers' brick hands?

Posted by: isnadd | March 15, 2010 11:01 PM
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Now THAT is some funny sh*t! Made my night.

Posted by: hand_of_doom | March 16, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

So the players that did phone interviews pretty much admitted they and others had NOT given their all under Zorn...

Well that's great....nice to see that players were not dedicated for Zorn...way to give him a fair try "players"

Not to say Zorn should have been kept but you think the players would at least try and dedicate if for any reason...maybe the millions the team pays you? GEEZ

Posted by: leevi98 | March 15, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Zorn was an idiot as a coach. Players won't follow a tart for long.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 16, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Of course the players were not into it last year with that fu**ing dummy Zorn at the helm. You must have respect for the coach or you simply don't give it your all. This year will be so much different. You can feel it.

Posted by: diamond_jim | March 16, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

really? I beg to differ on Zorn.... wasn't he 6-2 to start the year 2 years ago... Wasn't it around then that Clinton and him got into a shouting match about a disagreement, and Clinton being the man that he is went ABOVE the coach to Danny Boy and essentially told Danny to censor Zorn??? Do we forget all this?

The reason Zorn was unsuccessful was because players did not respect him... which is his fault but at the same time, the fault of the players as well. Haynesworth openly disobeyed the coaching staff... Portis did too... Hall simply embarrassed the entire team and thus in a sense disrespected the coaching staff...

No, while Zorn is a pushover, he is not to blame for this teams self-implosion... And fans who blame him solely really do not know what they are talking about. Without injuries and Portis the Redskins make the playoffs last year and we are in a completely different situation... with a better front office, one that actually builds an oline... we might have been a decent team this year.... Not necessary in support of Zorn 100%... but this mess is not completely his fault.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 16, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Amateur night at the apollo is Done folks. We've got professionals runnin the Show now.

Posted by: bhoang888 | March 16, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Amateur night at the apollo is Done folks. We've got professionals runnin the Show now.

Posted by: bhoang888 | March 16, 2010 12:22 AM

The "GONG SHOW" is history!

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | March 16, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

this is irrational and horrible; I believe in karma, i think shanny and allen is great for the organization; but somehow i keep on thinking the danny karma (riggo is right, the midget has a dark heart and is a poor excuse for a human being) is going to continue us in some more crazy, totally bizzare adversity around this franchise.

Posted by: nolngeraseasontixhder | March 16, 2010 12:44 AM | Report abuse

really? I beg to differ on Zorn.... wasn't he 6-2 to start the year 2 years ago... Wasn't it around then that Clinton and him got into a shouting match about a disagreement, and Clinton being the man that he is went ABOVE the coach to Danny Boy and essentially told Danny to censor Zorn??? Do we forget all this?

The reason Zorn was unsuccessful was because players did not respect him... which is his fault but at the same time, the fault of the players as well. Haynesworth openly disobeyed the coaching staff... Portis did too... Hall simply embarrassed the entire team and thus in a sense disrespected the coaching staff...

No, while Zorn is a pushover, he is not to blame for this teams self-implosion... And fans who blame him solely really do not know what they are talking about. Without injuries and Portis the Redskins make the playoffs last year and we are in a completely different situation... with a better front office, one that actually builds an oline... we might have been a decent team this year.... Not necessary in support of Zorn 100%... but this mess is not completely his fault.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1

You are dead-on. who enabled this dysfunction? the midget

Posted by: nolngeraseasontixhder | March 16, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Some of these statements by the pros really bother me (as if anyone cares). Excuse me very much, but is it not the essence of a "pro" to bring it all; all the time? You are being paid more in one year than most all of us earn in a lifetime, and yet you can't suck it up unless you have someone like Shanahan or Cowher as the lead dog? Both those guys started as rookies, as we all do. Yet, no matter what, I've gotta get up every day, year round, and work for the man. If I don't, I'm done. I'm having a hard time understanding this ethic about "being a real man (but only when it suits me)" when the real man stands up every day, all day long, no matter what, no matter his leader, no matter the hardships, and does his best, all the time, for his wife, his kids, his family and, most of all, for himself. You can't accept that? Then return the bucks. As if.

Your challenge: get your azz out there and show the world what you can and must do when everything around you totally sux. No matter what. No matter what you make. No matter how you feel. Here's an idea: be a Marine. As if.

Posted by: tmkelley | March 16, 2010 1:48 AM | Report abuse

I don't expect a winner. But I would like the team to try to build a winner by doing things the right way for once.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 16, 2010 2:03 AM | Report abuse

What I find funny is that some of the bloggers on here hold players to a different standard then they hold themselves to because of the size of the players paychecks. How many of these bloggers give 100% at work? Many post on this board and probably surf the web for other sports news when they are supposed to be giving their employer 40 hours work for 40 hours pay.

Men will not follow someone they don't respect. Period. Zorn lost his team in 2008 and never got them back. He repeatedly threw his players under the bus and they responded by not giving 100%. When did Zorn ever take responsibility for the teams failures? It was always the scheme was good, but the execution was not there. Whose fault is that?

Last years team never showed up ready to play in the first quarter. They were never mentally prepared nor were they enthused about giving their all for Zorn. Just like many bloggers on this board are not enthused about getting up to go to work everyday. Yes, we get up and go because we need that paycheck, but do we give 100%? Nor do players give 100% just because of the size of their paychecks if they are not made to do so. Just because they play professional football does not make them professionals. Most are just people with talent that play football instead of crunching numbers or any number of other jobs.

This is evident throughout the league. If Zorn's players did not give 100%, then he should have done something about it. Yes, Danny most likely did not support his coach, but a real leader would not have allowed Danny to hamstring him. Yes, Zorn was in over his head, but a real leader would have sought help and advise to help him do a better job. Even if that meant giving up the one thing Zorn liked about being a HC, play calling. Instead Zorn lamented the fact that play calling was taken away from him.

Just read some of the comments he made from the start of off season camps that TWISI posted on the last thread. Leaders lead. Others make excuses. F Zorn and his staying medium approach.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 2:15 AM | Report abuse

What I find funny is that some of the bloggers on here hold players to a different standard then they hold themselves to because of the size of the players paychecks. How many of these bloggers give 100% at work?

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 2:15 AM


I agree with a lot of your post Curz, but this is an apples/oranges comparison. Nobody is giving up hundreds and thousands of dollars to come see us work. I think some fans feel like these players owe them something because so many of fans' hard earned dollars are spent on Redskins gear/tickets. May not be completely right or fair, but it is what it is.

But I do agree 100% that having a good boss and a good work situation can rejuvenate a career, especially after being undermined by mismanagement and poor coaching for as long as the Redskins have. I like what I'm hearing so far from the players and hopefully it translates on the field come September.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 16, 2010 5:27 AM | Report abuse

How many of these bloggers give 100% at work?

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 2:15 AM

Coach Curzon has really put it in perspective for me. Thanks, Coach, it's good to have a man in charge here, and I'm glad that they hired you to replace Coach Chia_Pet.

This is a new day for me at work. 100%? No way -- I'm giving 110% today -- and from now on! Sure, the boss has thrown me under the bus lots of times. Also the road grader, the John Deere soy bean harvester, and even under the Macy's Day Parade. I'm not using that as an excuse any more -- I've bought into what you're saying because I want to win.

But, what's the part about "not blogging at work?" That just doesn't make any sense, Coach Curzon. Just because you don't have a computer at work, doesn't mean the rest of us can't blog. I bet you drive that road grader they threw me under.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse

As a HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETE, I knew I had to put in extra time to be the best. These professional athletes don't know that?

Posted by: Supporter51 | March 16, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

As a HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETE, I knew I had to put in extra time to be the best. These professional athletes don't know that?

Posted by: Supporter51 | March 16, 2010 6:47 AM

I'm thinking you didn't really put in the extra time. That's how these professional athletes became professionals.

Me, I'm putting in the extra time blogging so I can become professional like RedDMV. That is, when I'm not giving 110% at work.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm thinking you didn't really put in the extra time. That's how these professional athletes became professionals.

Me, I'm putting in the extra time blogging so I can become professional like RedDMV. That is, when I'm not giving 110% at work.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 6:59 AM


Whoa,gear down LS,its only 7am,we normally wait till 11 before we start aiming kill shots!But that was funny as hell though.

Posted by: smittdiddy | March 16, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

really? I beg to differ on Zorn.... wasn't he 6-2 to start the year 2 years ago... Wasn't it around then that Clinton and him got into a shouting match about a disagreement, and Clinton being the man that he is went ABOVE the coach to Danny Boy and essentially told Danny to censor Zorn??? Do we forget all this?

The reason Zorn was unsuccessful was because players did not respect him... which is his fault but at the same time, the fault of the players as well. Haynesworth openly disobeyed the coaching staff... Portis did too... Hall simply embarrassed the entire team and thus in a sense disrespected the coaching staff...

No, while Zorn is a pushover, he is not to blame for this teams self-implosion... And fans who blame him solely really do not know what they are talking about. Without injuries and Portis the Redskins make the playoffs last year and we are in a completely different situation... with a better front office, one that actually builds an oline... we might have been a decent team this year.... Not necessary in support of Zorn 100%... but this mess is not completely his fault.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 16, 2010 12:16 AM
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I agree that Zorn wasn't completely at fault. Conversely, if the team had handed him a pro-bowl roster and all of the support, I think he still would have failed. He went 6-2 off of the Joe Gibbs hangover and when that faded he was left with a bunch of players that did not respect him and some of the stupidest play-calling ever in the NFL. You say Clinton undermined him, but at 6-2, Zorn had all of the leverage to stand up to the owner and say CP plays my way or the highway. Zorn had luxury spa training camps, he let the players get away with murder, and that swinging gate play was the dumbest thing since Miss South Carolina. No, he wasn't totally at fault, but I feel no remorse for what happened to him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 16, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Fat Albert, Clinton the Slug are still on the team. No matter what Shannahan says, they will show their true colors as the season goes on. Just wait until these clowns drop four or five games because they aren't "beaten down" or the don't "feel respected". Sounds like these guys want to win games while "fresh". Gee, didn't we see that last year from Fat Albert and Clinton the Slug? How did that work out? Millionaires paid to play a boys game and this is what you get? Move these clowns and we will know you are serious. Give me a break!

Posted by: KDSmallJr | March 16, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

really? I beg to differ on Zorn.... wasn't he 6-2 to start the year 2 years ago... Wasn't it around then that Clinton and him got into a shouting match about a disagreement, and Clinton being the man that he is went ABOVE the coach to Danny Boy and essentially told Danny to censor Zorn??? Do we forget all this?

The reason Zorn was unsuccessful was because players did not respect him... which is his fault but at the same time, the fault of the players as well. Haynesworth openly disobeyed the coaching staff... Portis did too... Hall simply embarrassed the entire team and thus in a sense disrespected the coaching staff...

No, while Zorn is a pushover, he is not to blame for this teams self-implosion... And fans who blame him solely really do not know what they are talking about. Without injuries and Portis the Redskins make the playoffs last year and we are in a completely different situation... with a better front office, one that actually builds an oline... we might have been a decent team this year.... Not necessary in support of Zorn 100%... but this mess is not completely his fault.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 16, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse


I firmly believe that the power structure was compromised and exposed by Portis when he got away with calling Zorn out on the radio and then not being disciplined for it. The problem with Zorn was that he had no power. He was basically given the job by default after that IDIOT Ceratto screwed up the coaching search by hiring the offenssive coordinator before he hired a head coach. Players knew that Zorn was gonna have a short leash and as soon as 6-2 was over and adversity struck - our prima donna RB Portis started throwing stones and undermining Zorns authority, which exposed his lack of power. It was all down hill from there when you're dealing with spoiled rich athletes and no reason to follow or be subordinate. The inmates took over the asylum...effectively sealing Zorns fate as unfair as it was. I also believe that the reason Zorn didnt start the young guys until he had to due to injuries is because he knew he was overmatched by the players with big salaries and they had more job security than he did, thus giving them the power over him. Thats how I SEE IT.

Posted by: scottmando | March 16, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

The strong showing reflects that a lot of these guys figured out they suck and Washington is the last stop before they're out of the league.

They can't blame coaching any more and it's doubtful any other team would line up for their services.

No one here could crack a Dallas, NY or Philly starting lineup. Well maybe #98.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | March 16, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

No one here could crack a Dallas, NY or Philly starting lineup. Well maybe #98.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | March 16, 2010 7:55 AM |

Really? Not Cooley or Davis? Not Fat Al?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 16, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

"I think everyone is ready to cling on and do whatever we have to in order to get back to prominence again."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGuzse9GpEg

Posted by: Dorf | March 16, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

BTW - I'm not a big fan of Zorn and I didn't see where he was a great leader of men who need discipline. That being said - He did seem like a much better coach when he was 6-2 and even up until he was publicly undercut by Portis didn't he? He really seemed to lose his confidence and power after that occurred.

Posted by: scottmando | March 16, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

fletcher could 'crack a few lineups" as well.

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 16, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

zorn talk....really?? I mean, have at it by all means...when is spurrier talk scheduled for?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 16, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

"It seems Shanahan's commanding presence will be among the main discussion topics for some time at the park."

Like we said before, a coach with a commanding presence shuts up the morons and gets props just because of who is.

Shanny's swag alone is worth three-four wins.

I'm glad we have him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

GRASS VALLEY, Calif. — The California Highway Patrol says Green Bay Packers linebacker and tight end Spencer Havner is facing DUI charges after crashing a motorcycle and breaking his shoulder blade.

Former Skin.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 16, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

FIRST: Most of the bloggers who say Zorn lost the players..are not too bright. sure he lost a couple of malcontents..mentioned above, but many of the players were certainly playing hard the whole year. There is a difference between playing hard..and just not having the necessary talent or experience.

SECOND: Hall has been behind saying Zorn lost the team. If we examine his history..he has been dumped by 2 different teams. Oakland paid him a lot of money and got rid of him PDQ. Who would accuse Fletch of not playing hard? Dare you to say it to his face!

Third: Zorn did not have the experience true..but the MIDGET did not back him. Once players saw how Portis went to Danny..I`m guessing a few of them knew they could get away slacking off. Snyder should have told Portis to shut up and earn his money. At least we got rid of Vinnie!

Posted by: blazerguy234 | March 16, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Everything's changed except for the same half-arse players like D-Hall, Campbell and Portis! Good luck leprechaun.

Anyone want to bet Zorn has more wins this year than Shanny. Go Ravens!

Posted by: jdb70 | March 16, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

As a Denver Bronco fan, let me tell you guys this: Mike Shanahan is a professional's professional. He is smart and innovative, and as you are seeing by this article, he gets respect from the players on his team. It may take the Redskins a couple of years to turn the ship all the way around, but you couldn't have gotten a better HC to do it with.

Denver made a HUGE mistake in firing Mike Shanahan and replacing him with the untested rookie coach Josh McDaniels. McDaniels is a little dictator and lots of fans hate the guy after only one season. Think Jim Zorn if he was nasty and dictatorial, and that's Josh McDaniels. To compare - 5 of the top players in Denver did NOT show up at the start of the off-season workouts yesterday, mostly due to contracts and lack of respect from HC McDaniels.

I'm just glad Shanahan ended up with the Redskins and not the Cowboys. Even though we are not even close to being in the same division, there is no love lost from almost all Denver fans for the joke of a franchise in Dallas. Go beat them Cowboys this year!

Posted by: nmbronco1 | March 16, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

BTW - I'm not a big fan of Zorn and I didn't see where he was a great leader of men who need discipline. That being said - He did seem like a much better coach when he was 6-2 and even up until he was publicly undercut by Portis didn't he? He really seemed to lose his confidence and power after that occurred.

Posted by: scottmando | March 16, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

The blame game:

It's never one person's fault when you go 4-12. Zorn's offensive schemes worked when he had an offensive line. After the line fell apart his schemes fell apart. That you can blame on Vinny/St. Gibbs. It was Vinny/St. Gibbs who traded draft picks away and failed to build proper depth. Zorn did not adjust his schemes to cushion the effect of the offensive line's collapse. That you can blame on Zorn. Vinny was a really bad GM and Zorn was an extremely inexperienced coach. You can blame them being employed on Dan Snyder. You could also blame Greg blache a little for not adjusting his schemes and playing guys out of position. You can lay some blame on the "leaders" of the team too. Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley could have been more vocal. Clinton Portis and DHall could have been less vocal. There's plenty of blame to go around.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 16, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Read a similar article about big "BEN" going to court on the 16th of April for the "RAPE" case in Vegas. Can't wait to see what Shanny "BOY" does with the "O" line. Can someone verify how man "BLACK" offense linemen shanny boy has had over his career.

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | March 16, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

skinsinsider101 posts some of the "STRANGEST" posts I've seen in a "WHILE." More, "PLEASE." And yes, by all means, someone "VERIFY" that about "THE" coach.

Posted by: farstriker | March 16, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

zorn=s n. turner. neither could lead as a coach and watch this year as norv loses another team and gets fired within the next two years. dont even say he has done well in sd because the players there still complain about him and do not like him. they call him incapable of leading.he was handed a 14-2 team and only makes the playoffs because of a weak division not leadership.

Posted by: rls1041 | March 16, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

ok great, the players did what they are supposed to do from day one. can we move on?

can these group of guys get the job done on the field?

can the redskins management stop pretending they have no money to spend and go after some offensive lineman?
redskin fans get mad at snyder, but he is happy to spend the money, and that should make you the fan happy.
its that he never spends it in the right place, so why dont the new guys put their heads together and spend the money in the right place?
the skins are acting like they dont need a new lineman. am i suppose to get happy that they resigned someone who played on last year's horrific line?
am i suppose to be happy that football players are showing up to workouts and setting an example? if they were any real leaders they would know to be the first one in the door and the last one out.
larry johnson - i got such a warm and fuzzy feeling about that signing, did you?

Posted by: ecartola | March 16, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I wander if we will get a post about what Larry Foote had for dinner last night.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

No one here could crack a Dallas, NY or Philly starting lineup. Well maybe #98.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | March 16, 2010 7:55 AM

This is a man and a woman, -- or two men -- who are so out of touch with reality! Which one of you posted this, or did you post it together?

We have cut guys who are going to be in better starting lineups than Dallas or Philly. ARE will be starting for the Steelers and Marcus Mason's replacing Ladanian for the Chargers.

These are just the guys we cut. I'm saying guys we kept like Heyer, Rabach, Portis would be starting for any team in the league.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: nmbronco1 | March 16, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the insite from a Denver perspective. It's nice to know that we can all come together behind our hatred for the Cowboys.

Your description of McDaniel makes it sound like Pat Bowlen hired Dan Snyder to be your head coach. Good luck with that.

Just remember that there's always room on the Redskins bandwagon.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 16, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Which makes you wonder "why on the wide world of sports" would any one ever hire a college coach with no NFL coaching experience (Spurrier), or a quarter back coach with no head coaching experience (Zorn) as head coaches in the first place? No respect, no leadership, no winning tradition, no good, simple!

Posted by: JohnWWW | March 15, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

In all fairness, though, guys have skipped co-ordinator and gone directly from being a QB coach to the head job, and succeeded (Harbaugh in Baltimore and Reid in Philly). It all depends on the guy and on the organization behind him.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 16, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

So long as the Shans was able to watch the game film and ID 3 things this team could do well, we should be able to get 6 wins at least.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

It's all about respect.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 16, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Everything's changed except for the same half-arse players like D-Hall, Campbell and Portis! Good luck leprechaun.

Anyone want to bet Zorn has more wins this year than Shanny. Go Ravens!

Posted by: jdb70 | March 16, 2010 8:44 AM |

Anyone want to bet the you have a mullet and live with your Mom.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

"...can the redskins management stop pretending they have no money to spend and go after some offensive lineman?"



I hope they continuing acting like they are broke.

Let's use the draft and unexpected late spring OTA cuts to find lineman depth.

Right now, what linemen there are, are 30 year old guys looking for a final payday.

We got guys like that already.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Just remember that there's always room on the Redskins bandwagon.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 16, 2010 8:57 AM

What? Isn't there a six-year waiting list?

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

"It all depends on the guy and on the organization behind him."


Yes and yes.

Zorn was hamstrung from the get-go as he seemed to agree to a lot of things that didn't add up.

He had to keep Gibbs' running scheme and power blocking linemen, and somehow get it all to match his modified WCO with its 3-4 wide sets and passing.

Anybody what got sense would've stood up and said, "Let me do things my way or I don't thing will work here for me."

And they didn't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

...the skins are acting like they dont need a new lineman. am i suppose to get happy that they resigned someone who played on last year's horrific line?

Posted by: ecartola | March 16, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

You're suggesting we should have attacked the free agent market like we have in years past? How did that work out for us?

What lineman out there is better than what we already have? We could have had Clifton and/or Pashos if we'd overpaid them, I suppose, but we've been there and done that. How do two 30+ year old linemen making $7 mill per year make the team better?

It's still early in the game. We haven't even hit the draft yet. This team is rebuilding. I don't expect much from them this season but maybe I'll be suprised.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 16, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

In all fairness, though, guys have skipped co-ordinator and gone directly from being a QB coach to the head job, and succeeded (Harbaugh in Baltimore and Reid in Philly). It all depends on the guy and on the organization behind him.

Posted by: rbpalmer

also the coach in ATL...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 16, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Anyone want to bet the you have a mullet and live with your Mom.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2010 9:00 AM

Don't we all? When I went to Nate's Shabingus everyone had a mullet and lived with their moms.

Only exceptions are Diesel44 and TheCork, who are bald and live in their grandchildren's spare attic bedrooms.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

as well as Miami

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 16, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Of course, the hidden message is that Snyder has actually given Shanahan authority to run the team. The rules are now simple. Act like a pro or you will be gone. Can't run to Danny any more.

As long as this continues, the team will get better and better.

Posted by: boomer5 | March 16, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

_etrod - thanx for the comments. You would be surprised how many Denver fans will be pulling for the Redskins this season and for more to come. Shanahan was really popular in Denver and still is. A good amount of Bronco fans are already pulling for the Bears, where Jay Cutler was traded to by the a--hole McDaniels for the ordinary Kyle Orton and wasted draft picks last year. Just Sunday we acquired "star" QB Brady Quinn from the Browns for a fan favorite Peyton Hillis and picks. You're going to find you have it good.

Don't forget that it was Shanahan that originally drafted Clinton Portis, and that Portis thrived his first two seasons as a Bronco. Yes, I know, your offensive line needs help, but with new plays and a different run scheme the Redskins may be able to pound out some yards. Shanny was famous for getting late round backs and making them into 1000+ yd. rushers too, so watch carefully who he drafts this year. Also, in his last draft as Bronco HC, Shanahan picked in the first round left tackle Ryan Clady, who was a Pro-Bowler in his second year and should have been one his rookie year. Like I said, it may take a year or two, but I think you guys will like what Shanahan does with your team. And - a lot of Rocky Mountain football fans will be pulling for you, especially when you play Dallas! ;)

Posted by: nmbronco1 | March 16, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I guess making millions of dollars a year and having respect for yourself and the fans is not enough to get these slackers to show up no matter who the coach is. Yeah, these guys will cut and run at the first sign of adversity.

Posted by: Oilcan4148 | March 16, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

_etrod - thanx for the comments. You would be surprised how many Denver fans will be pulling for the Redskins this season and for more to come. Shanahan was really popular in Denver and still is. A good amount of Bronco fans are already pulling for the Bears, where Jay Cutler was traded to by the a--hole McDaniels for the ordinary Kyle Orton and wasted draft picks last year. Just Sunday we acquired "star" QB Brady Quinn from the Browns for a fan favorite Peyton Hillis and picks. You're going to find you have it good.

Don't forget that it was Shanahan that originally drafted Clinton Portis, and that Portis thrived his first two seasons as a Bronco. Yes, I know, your offensive line needs help, but with new plays and a different run scheme the Redskins may be able to pound out some yards. Shanny was famous for getting late round backs and making them into 1000+ yd. rushers too, so watch carefully who he drafts this year. Also, in his last draft as Bronco HC, Shanahan picked in the first round left tackle Ryan Clady, who was a Pro-Bowler in his second year and should have been one his rookie year. Like I said, it may take a year or two, but I think you guys will like what Shanahan does with your team. And - a lot of Rocky Mountain football fans will be pulling for you, especially when you play Dallas! ;)

Posted by: nmbronco1 | March 16, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Of course, the hidden message is that Snyder has actually given Shanahan authority to run the team. The rules are now simple. Act like a pro or you will be gone. Can't run to Danny any more.

Posted by: boomer5 | March 16, 2010 9:11 AM |

I'm thinking that Shanahan has had the same effect on Dan Snyder that he's had on the players -- "the unfamiliar feeling of optimism". Shanahan rearranged the weight room, then Snyder's office. Shanahan refuses to make Snyder available to talk to the media. Now Snyder's trying to get into shape to win the coach's respect.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I guess making millions of dollars a year and having respect for yourself and the fans is not enough to get these slackers to show up no matter who the coach is. Yeah, these guys will cut and run at the first sign of adversity.

Posted by: Oilcan4148 | March 16, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I guess some people are never happy, and have never tried to work under a bad boss.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

While you definitely have a point, Moe (as always), I think it goes a little deeper than that.

If Zoron had displayed some comprehension and cohesion in running those systems he'd accepted he would have commanded respect. Instead, in play after play, he projected confusion and ineptitude (sp?).

It's hard for working men to get behind someone who isn't able to display any knowledge of the their job. Also, given he'd never even OC'd before, perhaps Zoron didn't have schemes to develop and had to rely on other's contributions before him.

I admit I got behind the ol' Hip Hip Hooray just like the players seemed to, but once the wheels were off, Zoron couldn't keep it on the road. Time after time he exemplefied his inability to coach.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

alex

"I guess making millions of dollars a year and having respect for yourself and the fans is not enough to get these slackers to show up no matter who the coach is."


Just becuase you give a guy a million dollars, it doesn't make him man.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Media suckering fans again.

What's the big deal here? Did big name players not show up when Joe Gibbs came back. Did it make any difference in their on-field play?

These guys showed up because the coach would find out the type of person they REALLY are if they didn't. Let's see how long it lasts.

Posted by: keedrow | March 16, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

dik

"If Zoron had displayed some comprehension and cohesion in running those systems he'd accepted he would have commanded respect."

I agree here.

I didn't get how pathetic the play calling was until Sherm Lewis came in, and we saw what looked like a totally new scheme.

And it worked.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

The nick name 'Shanny' has to go. Really? A tough hard lined disciplinarian with two super bowls and the best we can do is 'Shanny'?

What the heck!

Posted by: Devo2 | March 16, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm curious, how big is Landry? Could he slot into the middle linebacker role in a 3/4?

Posted by: yabochaos | March 16, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

It seems Shanahan's commanding presence will be among the main discussion topics for some time at the park.

By JReid

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By who? The Media. And that's it. And the Media isn't supposed to be the focus. It's winning the SUperBowl......


.....AND I just saw the new Strentgh and Conditioning coach being interviewed on Redskins NAtion yesterday....It was a good interview....He's from Dallas but he hates Dallas Cowgirls...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

alex

"I guess making millions of dollars a year and having respect for yourself and the fans is not enough to get these slackers to show up no matter who the coach is."


Just becuase you give a guy a million dollars, it doesn't make him man.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Moe,
I never said it did that other guy Oilcan4148 seemed to think it did.

I think that most the players in the NFL are too young to be considered real men. Most of them are under 30 and in our modern world today that it seems 30 is now the age of mature adult. This is due to a lot of factors but think of it this way, most guys between 21-30 are out drinking most nights these days out till 1 AM, man whoring and whatnot. They are not grown men.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

He's from Dallas but he hates Dallas Cowgirls...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 9:37 AM

Maybe somebody briefed him? I think they replaced the guy who briefed Jim Zorn before his first press conference. "Let's win one for the maroon and black! Stay medium."

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

But, what's the part about "not blogging at work?" That just doesn't make any sense, Coach Curzon. Just because you don't have a computer at work, doesn't mean the rest of us can't blog. I bet you drive that road grader they threw me under.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse
Not too loud, LS. Coach Curz is sleeping off his self-meds. He'll be on soon, driving the IH Harvester, so be ready to duck.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"The nick name 'Shanny' has to go. Really? A tough hard lined disciplinarian with two super bowls and the best we can do is 'Shanny'?"

Our crack team on crack takes offense with this remark.

Creativity is hard work, and our team of slackjawed lumwits can only do so much, what, with the Redskin Blog Owner eyeing their sneaky obscene deeds from afar.

We have had some successes in the past with nicknames for our beloved team and FO personnel.

With time and effort, the nickname 'Rhino' for Chad Rhinehart emerged as a fan fav.

But as his career has stalled, he's soon be known as the 3rd round pizza guy who's yet to deliver.

With advice from the Geico Caveman Redskin fan, D.C. became the abbreviation for "Damn (you) Cerrato!"

Mr. Shanahan is new, so nicknames will emerge as he becomes apart of our burgandy 'n gold world.

"Shanny" will have to remain until our team decides if the following titles for Mike Shanahan are ready for public viewing:

If we win, it's "Shan Da Man"

If we lose, it's "Shamahan"

Finally, we realize that our extensive Muslim and Jewish fanbase might not want to support "Sham-a-Ham" but hey, those of use who dine on the swine will think it's fine.

And until things chane, "Shanny" will have to do.

That is if we RI "Shamsters" can coin a new title.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

alex

"I never said it did that other guy Oilcan4148 seemed to think it did."

My Bad.

I am not perfect.

But it's okay if folks think that I am.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I am not perfect. But it's okay if folks think that I am.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 9:56 AM

Only folks thinking that are the ones who haven't read the posts up here from MissusMoe.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Incognito visits Posted by jreedy March 15th, 2010, 5:52 pm With talks with right guard Bobbie Williams at a standstill, the Bengals had Richie Incognito in for a visit on Monday. Incognito will also visit Miami while Indianapolis has also expressed interest. News of the visit was first reported by the National Football Post.

Incognito, who would be entering his sixth season, was drafted by the Rams in 2005 and started 44 games in St. Louis up until late last year, when he was released following an agrument with coach Steve Spagnuolo in a Week 13 loss to the Titans.
In that game he received two personal foul penalties, both for head-butting an opponent and was fined $50,000 by the NFL. He was claimed off waivers by Buffalo and started the final three games.

Incognito though has had injury problems. He missed the 2005 season following a knee injury suffered at the NFL Scouting Combine and he missed the final 12 games in 2007 after he dislocated his right kneecap.
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Bobbie Williams will be here soon (b4 draft)....my guess

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

My take on Zoron:
Nice guy, players liked him and thought he was a class act.

He was also in over his head. I don't think he knows how to coach, game plan, or call plays. He can coach QB's, but putting an entire offensive unit out there and getting them efficient eludes him. In the 6-2 start, the Redskins ran very few plays during the course of a game. They executed those well. It's when Zoron had to expand the playbook that things fell apart. He just couldn't figure out how to get all 11 guys running the same play. That's on Zorn. He didn't run his practices well. And his opening sets of plays were just gawdaful. How many 5 yard outs to Moss can you throw "to see what the coverage is"? Towards the end of the year, the weren't even completing them. 3-and-outs dominated their first series of a game.

He also failed to exhibit the proper urgency in the first half of 2009. Dude should have gone ballistic after the loss to the Lions. Instead, he's all medium. I think that's when he really lost the players: they knew it was bad, but instead of the coach acting it out for them, he's just keeping his head down. Turner does the same thing, which is why he's not the leader in SD. It's Phillip Rivers. Alas, Campbell doesn't have that temperment.

Guys who were unhappy (Portis, Haynesworth, etc.), I respect that. They don't accept losing and are willing to speak out about it. They did because Zoron wasn't.

Now, I am willing to bet that Shanahan will not take losing to the Lions without blowing a gasket in the locker room. Like every great coach, he will challenge his team.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 16, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

" How many of these bloggers give 100% at work? Many post on this board and probably surf the web for other sports news when they are supposed to be giving their employer 40 hours work for 40 hours pay.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 2:15 AM"

Not me, screw 100%, much less 110%.

I'm going to outsource/subcontract my job to India, and pocket the savings/profits.

Thus, leaving me free to moonlight and blog all day to my heart's content.

THAT's The CORPORATE American way, isn't it?

BTW, for the record, minimum hours for full time are NOT DEFINED per the Bureau of Labor, but vary from employer to employer.

Our minimum number of hours for full time status are 32, and our average is 35. We're not allowed overtime in the current economy.

So why are you trying to screw me out of 8 hours a week without pay, dude?

Go discipline Curzon417 please, Jardesh...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | March 16, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

In a strong showing of respect for Coach Mike Shanahan, many Washington Redskins veterans who usually skip voluntary workouts were in attendance Monday for the first day of the new conditioning program at Redskins Park.
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Yeah lets' call it respect... But I think it has a lot more to do with the fact Shanaham just fired 10 players and these guys know they could be next if they didn't show up. Somehow I think fear is more accurate...

Posted by: sovine08 | March 16, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Richie Incognito is hardly that: I think maybe he has ink poisoning and it's destroyed his brain. Anybody that much of a liability had better be scoring lots of TD's, otherwise he's gone.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 16, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Did you a know one of our skins made the top 10 list in highest paid players in 2009?

NFL'S TOP 10 HIGHEST PAID PLAYERS FOR 2009

(Per NFL Management Council document dated March 11, 2010 with results of the league's performance-based pay program, which showed a listing of players' adjusted compensation for 2009, including salary, bonuses, etc).

1. Peyton Manning, QB, Indianapolis, $21,205,718

2. Julius Peppers, DE, Carolina, $18,183,000

3. Donovan McNabb, QB, Philadelphia, $16,705,210

4. Matt Cassel, QB, Kansas City, $15,205,200

5. Tom Brady, QB, New England, $14,624,810

6. Jared Allen, DE, Minnesota, $14,534,124

7. Carson Palmer, QB, Cincinnati, $14,300,000

8. Larry Johnson, RB, Kansas City, $13,893,692

8. Champ Bailey, CB, Denver, $13,688,525

10. Joe Staley, OT, San Francisco, $13,525,850


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No wonder he can play for a $million/year with incentives.....He HAS NO INCENTIVE TO PLAY IF HE DIDN'T HAVE THE INCENTIVE TO MAKE $12MILLION MORE ONE LAST TIME......Because you think that clinton portis was dciking the skins....What LJ did last year was nutttin all over the chiefs...

....Atleast Portis isn't getting arrested and he produces everytime he has played a 16 game season...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

4. Matt Cassel, QB, Kansas City, $15,205,200

Is it me, or does that not seem right...I mean, he's making more than TB?? Wow, nice pull KC...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 16, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"How many of these bloggers give 100% at work? Many post on this board and probably surf the web for other sports news when they are supposed to be giving their employer 40 hours work for 40 hours pay."


I'd give more if my boss gave more.

Like most folks, I haven't had a decent raise in more than 5 years, but my boss, who makes $320,000 plus a 2% annual bonus tells me that, "Hey, in this economy, be thankful you have a job."

"After all," he admonishes on pay day. "You could have a job in journalism and be doing much worse."

And so, I blog at work and do as bad as I can.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

No one here could crack a Dallas, NY or Philly starting lineup. Except #98.

Not for the amount of money we pay them. Our "best" players are known for having a trendy blog, having a huge contract and finally making the pro bowl.

Win the division? HA. Can't even win a division game.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | March 16, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I've been lobbyin' for a new Nickname on Coarch for a while now.

c'mon ThReadSkins/Hamsters - nose to the gridstone & drind 'em out! We did good w/ Zoron tha Moron. What can we come up with? I guess we'll need to see more material. I'm not down w/ The Rat... 'cause that's where I did all my drinkin' until I was 21 in Miamuh... until that dowuche took my fake ID. ("but dude, you KNOW me..!!")

Lastly, I went ahead and subscribed to the Univision YouTub channel. I cannot say I'm sorry. @2:22 here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqhsN5UdScQ&feature=sub


pero, por favor, en HD, no?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

4. Matt Cassel, QB, Kansas City, $15,205,200

Is it me, or does that not seem right...I mean, he's making more than TB?? Wow, nice pull KC...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 16, 2010 10:21 AM


HE was in the 1st year of his contract....so you this will prob be the only time in his life you see him up there...but Brady should be pwning BBM....BBM will be a billionaire by the time he retires at 45...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Whitehurst and other RFA news
Kevin Acee

Sunday, March 14, 2010

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I am also hearing that there is interest in some of the Chargers' first-and-third tender players, particularly Shawne Merriman. Whether that means teams are willing to part with a first- and third-round draft pick is not known, but according to numerous sources, there are several teams discussing going after Merriman and Vincent Jackson.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Is it me, or does that not seem right...I mean, he's making more than TB??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 16, 2010 10:21 AM

Doesn't NE take pride in low-balling their players? Isn't that part of the Belichick mystique? "You want to play for me? How much you willing to give up?"

No one's crying for Brady. He's not the principal breadwinner in his family. They're only using his money for Saturday night dates. She's paying for everything else.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

no thanks on merriman, since getting off the 'juice' he's done bupkus...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 16, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"top cornerback DeAngelo Hall said in a phone interview"

Another vote cast in the DHall-CRogers debate. Nicely done JReid. Nicely done.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 16, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Anyone that can get that bunch of prima donnas on the same page has a chance to fix this listing ship.

However, I will reserve judgment until we see how management handles the draft - especially rebuilding the OL.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | March 16, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

So to summarize: "Because we had a new head coach, we didn't feel like we had to give our best effort to prepare and win."

What is this, high school?

Posted by: jksesq1 | March 16, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Uh, no jk - because our new coarch is a buffoon we don't want to play for him. What the SJK are you reading?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Optimism. It's an easy sell for Redskins fans, but I'm waiting to see the results on the field. Not necessarily in wins this season but great effort, scheme, teamwork, etc., is what I am going to buy.

Posted by: bkhoward1 | March 16, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"...no thanks on merriman, since getting off the 'juice' he's done bupkus..."


Agreed on Merriman.

But Vincent Jackson is a player, and one we East Coasters would do well to check out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Could we actually get even a third round draft pick for Clinton Portis? I doubt it. With that as a reality perhaps Clinton should take a reading about what his real worth is and be the first at every practice and the last to leave. But hey, its a whole new year and we will have the old CP back soon enough (and I do mean "old"). Can't wait til the spin machine starts to falter.

Posted by: driley | March 16, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Does the new weight room have a moisturizing station for Carlos Rogers' brick hands?

Posted by: isnadd | March 15, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse
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I don't think so, but I hear that the bench now has plush leather back rests. Perfect for Carlos and those long hours of a football game.

Posted by: clark202 | March 16, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"Rex Ryan takes on obesity with usual swagger"

By Dennis Waszak Jr. / The Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) -- Jets coach Rex Ryan underwent a weight-loss procedure Saturday to help him fight obesity.

"I'm watching ESPN and I'm like, 'Whoa, that's not a real good shot,"' Ryan said during the NFL combine. "I mean, don't get me wrong, I get hit on all the time by women."

Chicks like fat guys?

You mean I can roll (literally) into da club and pull me a fine 26 year old hottie simply by flashing my 46 year old couch made belly?

Yeah, right.

Chicks don't dig fat guys.

They dig fat cash, Rexy, and without it, you look like the dude who balanced my tires last weekend.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"The nick name 'Shanny' has to go. Really? A tough hard lined disciplinarian with two super bowls and the best we can do is 'Shanny'?"

I don't care if you call him "Shandra", he's still going to kick a~~!

frida

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"After all," he admonishes on pay day. "You could have a job in journalism and be doing much worse."

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 10:21 AM

Your boss is a smart man.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 16, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"Can someone verify how man "BLACK" offense linemen shanny boy has had over his career.

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | March 16, 2010 12:00 AM"

Sure.

Can YOU, skinsinsider101, please verify what kind of BULLSTOOL Shanahan/racism implication related agenda you have going here?

If it is to imply Shanny doesn't use black men in O-line positions, the following list will shoot THAT thoery to poo-nuggets.

If it is to incite (via implication) that his lines don't use people of ALL colors, that ALSO is shot to heck thanks to David Diaz-Infante [C/G].

Let's not leave out the brothers of Latino decent, shall we?

Here are the significant starts by non-caucasians.

[I omitted everyone of color who had only partial games played or single starts to reduce the number of total person on the list. The shorter list STILL didn't help your agenda...lol]


1995 Broderick Thompson [RT]

1996 Broderick Thompson [RT]
Jamie Brown [LT when Zimmerman went down]

Reggie McElroy [T/G] played 7 gm

David Diaz-Infante [C/G] (Latino) 2 starts

1997 Tony [E.] Jones [LT/RT] 16 gm/split pos.

David Diaz-Infante [C/G] (Latino) starter/G


1998 Tony [E.] Jones [LT] starter-16
Harry Swayne [RT] starter-16

1999 Tony [E.] Jones [LT] 16 gm

2000 Tony [E.] Jones [LT] 16 gm

2001 no starts I could determine

2002 Ephraim Salaam [LT]

2003 Ephraim Salaam [T]
George Foster [T]

2004 Ephraim Salaam [T] backup
George Foster [T]
Steven Herndon [G]

2005 George Foster [T]
Cornell Green [T]

2006 George Foster [T]

2007 Montrae Holland [G]
P.J. Alexander [T] 11 gm

2008 Ryan Clady [T]

As Odin said to his son Thor, "Be ye not a tool my son..."

Peace

Posted by: ThinkingMan | March 16, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

With Vinny stepping down and Snyder taking a backseat, the organization as whole finally seems to have strutucture, even more so than Gibbs 2.0.

I am willing to bet we win a few more games from just the coaching change, let alone any player changes that will be made.

Posted by: heycisco01 | March 16, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: llitkonlyyous | March 16, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

*Shannanator
*Shan
*The Shan. (hmm... liking that one.)
*Green Eggs & Shan

...c'mon folks... step it up. Do it or I'll start listing Leigh Torrence jokes!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: llitkonlyyous | March 16, 2010 11:06 AM |


zcezcest--

Just in time! They're running a special on aircraft carriers. $47.50 plus shipping.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Shanskins?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Do it or I'll start listing Leigh Torrence jokes!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 11:08 AM

That would be an improvement. Interesting that the Denver Donco's fan who posted above referred to him as "shanny." I'm thinking that was his nickname.

Elsewhere, searching the web, Oakland fans have referred to him as "Shorty," some as "The Mastermind," and Florio as "Coach Velcro" in reference to the fact that none of the sh_t Florio has hurled at him has actually stuck.

Attempting to "invent" a nickname is as lame as sending an aircraft carrier on a mission around the world hoping to be on the scene of the next disaster. Jasno used to try to invent one for Vinny, with no success. Real nicknames, like nate's "Jasno," happen spontaneously.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm sticking with Shananahannahan

Pronounced:
Shanana
Hannah
Ann
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 16, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Tiger is back for the Masters. His to lose..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Tiger is back for the Masters. His to lose..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Yet golf still is a lame @SS precision leaser activity.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 16, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

LS,

Zoron.
Lust for Mayhem. (May Hens, anyone?)
The Reaper.

I rest my case.

I'm using The Shan until anyone comes up with anything better.

They all start somewhere, LS, you just keep throwing SJK on the wall 'till it sticks...

Leigh Torrence, onion otherhand, thows walls at SJK.

Rok Rok AUN!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"No one here could crack a Dallas, NY or Philly starting lineup. Well maybe #98"

Those are three talented teams. Even so, they all have weaknesses. The Jints are iffy at receiver and defensive back, and increasingly at linebacker. Philly is iffy on the line. Dallas is probably the most talented overall, and everybody knows where their question marks lie (plus look at who is standing on the sideline pretending to be a head coach.)

Posted by: Samson151 | March 16, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

btw, Thunder, I'll be saying it that way come 3rd quarter *hic*... too many Blue Hawaiians!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Just becuase you give a guy a million dollars, it doesn't make him man.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 9:29 AM

Someone want to test that theory on me?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 16, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Greggg Easterbrook (on TMQ, which I like, though I know a lot of you don't) got a lot of mileage out of Denver's biography of Shanahan, in which (as I recall) he was characterized as "The Ultimate Leader."

So in my mind I always think of Shanahan as "The Ultimate Leader."

"Shanny" works fine too, but it kind of sounds like a hockey nickname. Hockey nicknames are the laziest group of nicknames on earth, usually just taking a chunk of a guy's surname and add a long "e" or long "o" sound at the end. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 16, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I rest my case.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 11:30 AM

Good idea. It's tired and could use a good rest.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Attempting to "invent" a nickname is as lame as sending an aircraft carrier on a mission around the world hoping to be on the scene of the next disaster.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 11:16 AM

How about Sha-nay.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 16, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Just like your sex-life, right?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 16, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Hockey nicknames are the laziest group of nicknames on earth, usually just taking a chunk of a guy's surname and add a long "e" or long "o" sound at the end. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 16, 2010 11:34 AM

Good eye nate! As in "Ovi" which added an eye, but pronounced it as a long "e".

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Well, it's good to see that we are starting off on the right foot.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | March 16, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

no thanks on merriman, since getting off the 'juice' he's done bupkus...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 16, 2010 10:32 AM

Sometimes it's not til the second year after a serious injury that a player is all the way back.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 16, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes it's not til the second year after a serious injury that a player is all the way back.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 16, 2010 11:39 AM

This is true. But, sometimes it's never.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Well, it's good to see that we are starting off on the right foot.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | March 16, 2010 11:38 AM

Here, let me fix that for you:

Well, it's good to see that we are starting off without a Foote.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse


"The Redskins declined to make coaches and players available to the media after Monday's meetings. In the weeks preceding the start of the conditioning program, the team also declined to permit Ray Wright, its new lead strength and conditioning coach, to speak with reporters." ---Redskin Insider

Those of you beating up reporters for lack of information should redirect your righteous albeit hypocritical anger.

There is no reason on God's Green Earth that Shanahan is running his practice like the Kremlin. Oh wait, yes there is, he might just be a control freak or hiding something.

Perhaps he doesn't want to show just how pathetic the O-line (still) looks, or the fact Haynesworth goes 400 pounds, or Portis keeps asking "Will you get that phone?" because his bell is still ringing.

You want to lose the good faith of Media and fans? Keep it up.

Posted by: TheCork | March 16, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

You can get Merriman for a 4th Round draft pick...And we need OLB for the 3-4 defense....

BEcause they'll get nothing next year when he leaves.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Ed Werder, of ESPN, reports although the Minnesota Vikings encouraged QB Brett Favre to recruit New York Jets RB LaDainian Tomlinson, a team source said that the quarterback limited his role to texting Tomlinson because of lingering uncertainty about his own future. Favre told Tomlinson that he had "no clue" whether he would return to the Vikings for what would be his 20th season in the league.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 16, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps he doesn't want to show just how pathetic the O-line (still) looks, or the fact Haynesworth goes 400 pounds, or Portis keeps asking "Will you get that phone?" because his bell is still ringing

not sure how you can tell this stuff from these guys working out/lifting weights, but whatever there corky....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 16, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

zcezcest--

Just in time! They're running a special on aircraft carriers. $47.50 plus shipping.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse
But be sure to read the fine print...about the daily cost to operate it...about $6B...each day.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Attempting to "invent" a nickname is as lame as sending an aircraft carrier on a mission around the world hoping to be on the scene of the next disaster.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 11:16 AM

Got some for you, dude.

"20,000 Leagues-Source Under the Sea"

"Admiral Bull League Source"

"Damn the League Source, Full Speed Ahead"

Okay, launch the Hornet toward Indonesia, I smell a Tsunami....

Yes, it's early. No I haven't had my coffee yet.

Posted by: TheCork | March 16, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

no thanks on merriman, since getting off the 'juice' he's done bupkus...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 16, 2010 10:32 AM

Sometimes it's not til the second year after a serious injury that a player is all the way back.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 16, 2010 11:39 AM

Of course no. Unless you want to send the S.D. the #4 or #37 pick in the draft.

As far as useless player acquisition discussions why not throw Joe Thomas, CJ, Aaron Rodgers, and Andre Johnson into the mix.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps he doesn't want to show just how pathetic the O-line (still) looks, or the fact Haynesworth goes 400 pounds, or Portis keeps asking "Will you get that phone?" because his bell is still ringing.

You want to lose the good faith of Media and fans? Keep it up.

Posted by: TheCork | March 16, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

And you came up with this fromo not allowing an interview with the Strength and Conditioning Coach!? Tough crowd!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 16, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Portis keeps asking "Will you get that phone?" because his bell is still ringing.

You want to lose the good faith of Media and fans? Keep it up.

Posted by: TheCork | March 16, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse
Now I know why CP keeps looking in the microwave.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

You can get Merriman for a 4th Round draft pick...And we need OLB for the 3-4 defense....

BEcause they'll get nothing next year when he leaves.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 11:45 AM

Or straight up for Betts..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

wow, i love how these bums just have no respect for anything. bloggers hatin on jreid, players hatin on coach zorn. wait until shanny benches d hall for not being able to tackle a slow, weak qb in a huge 3rd down play, and we'll see how much that punk likes mike shannahan's character. everything shannahan is quoted is saying in this article is the same exact thing as zorn was saying while he was here. money, power, and all the hot white women in the world must really make it much easier being such a hollow brown nosin' doosh like deangalo hall. what a joke.

Posted by: BMACattack


Just as a kid will stand in quiet admiration watching another kid throw a world class tantrum, I have to doff my cap to you for one of the finer Cynical Posts in recent history my friend.

Posted by: TheCork | March 16, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

You want to lose the good faith of Media and fans? Keep it up.

Posted by: TheCork | March 16, 2010 11:45 AM |

Or perhaps this is the way the best teams in the NFL do buisness.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 16, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes it's not til the second year after a serious injury that a player is all the way back.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 16, 2010 11:39 AM

Of course no. Unless you want to send the S.D. the #4 or #37 pick in the draft.

As far as useless player acquisition discussions why not throw Joe Thomas, CJ, Aaron Rodgers, and Andre Johnson into the mix.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 16, 2010 11:52 AM

Easy there, fella. Nobody's suggesting the Skins give up a 1 and a 3. In fact, I'm sure we're all enjoying watching Norv Turner guiding the Chargers to mediocrity.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 16, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

MOST IMPORTANTLY READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH.

Potential draft pick Russell Okung visiting the Lions today
By Tom Kowalski
March 15, 2010, 1:45PM
ALLEN PARK -- The Detroit Lions are expected to draft Nebraska defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh with the second overall pick. If he's there.

If the St. Louis Rams, who have the first overall pick, take Suh, the Lions could change course and go for offense. One of the targets on that side of the ball is Oklahoma State tackle Russell Okung, who is visiting the Lions today. Each NFL team is allowed to bring in 30 potential draft prospects for an up-close-and-personal inspection.

The Lions have already had their 15-minute meeting with Okung at the combine and several members of the organization also had dinner with him.

Okung is a potential target because he would fill one nagging hole in the team's roster - left guard. If Okung is drafted, he would likely play left tackle with Jeff Backus moving inside. Okung, at 6-5 and 307 pounds, is an excellent pass protector while Backus is a better run blocker.

By the way, it's also possible that Okung could be Detroit's top target. Teams at the top of the board like to draft "position value'' players -- the positions that usually cost the most money to fill. Those include quarterback, left tackle and pass rushers.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"No one here could crack a Dallas, NY or Philly starting lineup. Well maybe #98"
========================
Dont agree regarding Skins Defense..

But, agreed on the Offense.... Until we upgrade at the QB position and OLine.... we're just polishing a turd.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | March 16, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

This is the real flaw with the idea, maintenance and operating cost far exceed what anyone would consider reasonable.

I really like the idea of pre-positioned disaster relief ships...kind of gives me hope for human beings, fate of the planet etc.

The idea is already a part of RI lore and will never die.

zcezcest--

Just in time! They're running a special on aircraft carriers. $47.50 plus shipping.

Posted by: League-Source | March 16, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse
But be sure to read the fine print...about the daily cost to operate it...about $6B...each day.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 16, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 16, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"One of the targets on that side of the ball is Oklahoma State tackle Russell Okung, who is visiting the Lions today."

If the lions snag Okung, we still have some fine choices at #4 that would satify needs:

R McClain (I don't care what the scouts say about this guy not being a top 10 player, take him to play inside with Fletch)

E Berry (let him play corner: he could be a Revis-type player)

N Suh

G McCoy

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 16, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 16, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh so conditioning was the Skins problem last year huh?

Shut Up!

They had no O-line wich kept the Defense on the field.

FIX THE LINE!

I been screaming about this for four years. Still i hear people suggesting everything but an O-Line.

What's really killing the NBA and NFL allowing kids to come out after two years.
Both leagues are suffering and Fans are getting water down teams.

Both leagues should have a better product out there!

Posted by: shamken | March 16, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

honeymoons are great...

Posted by: cboyhater | March 16, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The Lions have already had their 15-minute meeting with Okung at the combine and several members of the organization also had dinner with him.

Okung is a potential target because he would fill one nagging hole in the team's roster - left guard. If Okung is drafted, he would likely play left tackle with Jeff Backus moving inside. Okung, at 6-5 and 307 pounds, is an excellent pass protector while Backus is a better run blocker.

By the way, it's also possible that Okung could be Detroit's top target. Teams at the top of the board like to draft "position value'' players -- the positions that usually cost the most money to fill. Those include quarterback, left tackle and pass rushers.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 16, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm not buying Okung to the Lions. Everything that I've read about these guys has said that Okung is very good, but that Suh and McCoy are clearly better. I don't doubt that teams like to draft "position value" players at the top of the draft, but I do doubt whether that trumps getting the best player available, especially when the differences between players are clear, and the best available fills more of a need. While Backus is a serviceable left tackle (certainly better than anyone the 'Skins have at the position!), the Lions defense was 25th against the rush and 29th in terms of numbers of sacks, and a lot of that has to go on their D-line. If guard is really the position on the O-line that they want to fill, they can do that in rounds 2 or 3, and not by taking a guy at 1 who isn't the best player available. If Bradford goes to the Rams at 1, I think that Okung will be there at 4 for the 'Skins. The question then becomes do they take Okung, or does Shanny think highly enough of Clausen to take him at 4.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 16, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Gee it sounds like the Redskins are the best team in the NFL. Unfortunately it's March and not September.

Posted by: theBozyn1 | March 16, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

We read the same story every time Snyder changes coaches (biannually?). Turner finally will have players, we'll bench old guys like green and put in big name guys who play like they're 50 (ie sanders, smith).

Then it was Schottenheimer, finally Snyder had his own coach, somebody with a firm grasp of personnel, and there is a new aura in the building, discipline, my way or highway, the outlook is bright (and to prove it we dumped anyone with talent and replaced them with proven losers who would play the Schotty way).

Then it was Spurrier,the greatest change to NFL offenses since Bill Walsh and Joe Gibbs brought in the West Coast and the Air Coryell/Counter Trey blitzkrieg. Most importantly, now Snyder has some control back to make sure the good players don't get cut. Ahh, finally guys won't get worn out in camp and we'll go out and throw up TDs until the clock strikes 60.

Then it was the return of the great Gibbs, finally a proven winner and disciplinarian who expected players to play the Redskin way. Most importantly, he'll have a full say in personnel decisions. His HOF credentials have inspired great respect and full offseason participation from all of the players. We know we can win now with our proven winner. (at least we made the playoffs a couple times for a snyder-era change)

Then it was the Zorn era, with its refreshing, more relaxed atmosphere and open, West Coast-greatness. Most importantly, we finally have someone in charge of player personnel who isn't the coach or owner, so all moves should be better. With such a new and inspiring offense and less workload on the players, everyone is excited about where we can go, especially with such a grounded defense left over from Gibbs II.

Then we hit the Shannahan era, finally a coach with credential the players respect who will demand everything out of his players. Most importantly, we have a real GM for the first time in more than a decade, so we will make good personnel decisions. There is finally change and we know we have a proven leader now and if we follow him we'll finally win. Things are different now.

Does the media just flip over the last coaching change article with each new coaching change and try and find quotes from players now saying the exact same things they said 10 years ago?

Posted by: zickzack | March 16, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan refuses to make Snyder available to talk to the media. Now Snyder's trying to get into shape to win the coach's respect."

Snyder wants to return punts...

Posted by: AlohaFan | March 16, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

PROFESSIONALS (men who get paid to do thier job) should be pros no matter who they do the job for...i'm glad they are acting like and working like pros but this is the same rhetoric these "pros" spoke when they started every season under Dan...these grown men get paid a lot of money to play a game they should understand how blessed they are (especially in this economy) and the real pros should come to work every season ready and prepared. let's wait and see...believe it or not we have been here before and at the end of the day we were on the outside lookin' in...so far so good.

Posted by: ronniecope106 | March 17, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

It's OTA's people, relax. Nice to see the turn out. We have a long way to go, 2 plus years to clean up the mess Vinnie left.

Posted by: MOJOMELE | March 17, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

We'll see...

I also think Vinny's back in the building...REX GROSSMAN??? Are you kidding me????

Posted by: wagenstill | March 17, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that when Portis didn't show up for "optional" stuff he was selfish or lazy but Fletcher never showed up for that stuff but is considered the consummate professional?

Posted by: largetony86 | March 17, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

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