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Suisham comes under fire for key misses

Shaun Suisham is a consummate professional. And not that this matters in terms of his ability to perform at his job, but he's one of the nicest guys on the team as well.

Not that I had anything against Dave Rayner when he was brought in to challenge Suisham for the place-kicking job this summer, but Suisham had been very fair with me in my first two seasons covering the Redskins and I was kind of hoping he'd keep his job. He also impressed me with his determination in trying to rebound after a poor season in 2008.

Suisham rewarded the coaches - primarily special-teams coordinator Danny Smith - for their faith in him by making his first 12 field-goal attempts this season. But Suisham has had two costly fourth-quarter misses in the last three games that have contributed significantly to defeats in a three-game losing streak.

In a 7-6 loss to the Dallas Cowboys in Week 11, Suisham missed a 50-yarder with 7 minutes 12 seconds to go in the fourth quarter. It's not easy to make a kick from that distance, but such is the life of NFL kickers. That's what they're paid to do.

And in Sunday's 33-30 overtime loss to the New Orleans Saints, Suisham missed a 23-yard attempt wide right that would have extended the Redskins' lead to 10 points with only 1:56 remaining on the game clock. It wasn't Suisham's fault that the Saints traveled 80 yards in only 33 seconds against Washington's defense to tie the score at 30-30, but Suisham missed kick, obviously, was huge.

Overall, Suisham is 18 for 21 on field goals (85.7 percent). Last season, he was only 26 for 36 (72.2 percent). He also has made 20 of 21 point-after attempts.

Place kickers, however, are mainly judged on their ability to deliver in the clutch. If teams can't count on them to make chip-shot field goals in the fourth quarter, well, that often leads to changes at the position.

For what it's worth, quarterback Jason Campbell said Suisham should not shoulder all the blame for the loss to the Saints. "It's a total team effort," Campbell said. "There's a lot of different plays in the game and a lot of different ways we could've won the game. It's not totally one guy or anything like that."

Postgame, long snapper Ethan Albright took some of the blame, saying his snap was somewhat high and threw the hold off a bit. Still, neither were factors a kicker could not overcome.

Several players, however, privately expressed anger about Suisham's late miss against New Orleans, and Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth put it this way on the record: "We've all got to do our job. I can't really say anything. We've got to do what we're here to do."

The media piled on. Peter King of Sports Illustrated named Suisham his goat of the week. Tony Dungy, on NBC's Sunday night Vikings-Cardinals telecast, minced no words on what he'd do if he were Suisham's coach: "I'd have to cut him before he cost me my job."

Of course, Coach Jim Zorn is not expected to return next season anyway, the Redskins are 3-9 and have only four games remaining on their schedule. It wouldn't make much sense to cut Suisham, especially considering he's probably better than the guys still out there.

And as for next season, well, replacing Suisham could be among the new coach's to-do list. Is Suisham professional? Yes. Is he a nice guy? Yes. But this is about business.

By Jason Reid  |  December 7, 2009; 9:40 AM ET
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Cut him.

Posted by: Smiley2 | December 7, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

bye bye

Posted by: cosmiccatnip1 | December 7, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

First to say I froze my A$$ of to watch him miss. I guess the one guy carrying the flag thought he made it. Idiot!

Posted by: gixxer998 | December 7, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

(self-post)

"Let's keep what we have and add to where we know weaknesses exist."


What weaknesses you say?

Need(s): right tackle, a real free safety, a multiple use speed back or a power back with some speed.

If you trade away the '11 first pick, you can satisfy those needs in rounds 1-2 next April and get quality.

That's three picks in the first two rounds or a third rounder and an additional late rounder.

Not doing this would expose another redskin weaknesses: a lack of FO creativity.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Well, myself, mattylight, and MrRedskin won the prop bet, sadly for zjfr2.
I don't even feel like gloating about it. I was hoping for high draft pick, but I really wanted to win yesterday. I feel like we cheated ourselves, that we WERE cheated, and that Suisham altered history forever (I'll be nauseous if we have to sit through 2 weeks of 18-0 vs. 18-0 in January and a subsequent unbeaten Saints team).
All the same, any props for picking what SHOULD have been a great upset?
I still haven't heard why the Sellers play wasn't an INCOMPLETE. Sellers barely had his second foot down, didn't make a football move, and didn't maintain possession through the tackle. I have seen plays ruled incomplete where the receiver has held on to the ball for longer, since they instituted the more stringent rules for completions. Complete, fumble, and possession change should have been the LAST ruling possible.
Not that that was worse than the Moore call, who was ON TOP OF SHOCKEY when he fell.
Or the incomplete pass to the Saints ruled a completion.
Or the 'Brady rule' on JC that didn't get called.

But yeah, Cut Swissy.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 7, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"It wasn't Suisham's fault that the Saints traveled 80 yards in only 33 seconds against Washington's defense to tie the score at 30-30, but Suisham missed kick, obviously, was huge."


I doesn't help. I imagine you play a little differently with a 10 point lead than with a 7 point lead.

Posted by: closer44 | December 7, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Him being nice to you has nothing to do with it. Hire him to babysit your kids. I don't want him losing another game for us.

We can't even attempt a 52 yarder with his puny leg. End the charade. Not now, but right now.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

granted closer44.. he did get us to the missed FG.
Here is a question.
If you had to score a TD in 2 minutes and move the team 80 yrds to win the game and you were given the opporunity to select any starting QB from 16 of the 32 NFL teams, would Jason Campbell be one of them?

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closer wrote:


Nope I saw it. It was a bad pass at a bad time. Perhaps you were in the bathroom a few minutes earlier when he led a clutch should-a-been-game-sealing drive. I'm not saying he's a great QB, just that he played a good game I'll give him his due. If a Redskins receiver had ripped the ball out of Vilma's hands and run it for a TD, would Campbell be off the hook?

hey closer44.. you must of been in the restroom when Campbell threw the INT directly to Vilma the last minute of the game.

Campbell is a serviceable QB when the game isnt close.. But, when the game is tight, he panics and forgets his mechanics and "one reads" to the primary receivers until he gets picked off. Just look at the close games this year (most recently the last two).. Its more than a trend and the opposing team D Coordinators know this. DBs sit back and watch and wait when JC starts to panic and lock in. Asante Samuel's two picks in the philly game is a classic example (including Vilma and the Dallas DBs).

Posted by: closer44 | December 7, 2009 10:41 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 7, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"granted closer44.. he did get us to the missed FG.
Here is a question.
If you had to score a TD in 2 minutes and move the team 80 yrds to win the game and you were given the opporunity to select any starting QB from 16 of the 32 NFL teams, would Jason Campbell be one of them?"


Would Jim Zorn be his coach?

Posted by: closer44 | December 7, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Shaun Swissham = Max Zendejas.

I remember we lost a game at Denver under Gibbs 1.0, and the final score was 31-30, with Max missing at least two FG attempts. I'd have to find the box score to be certain. He might have missed three.

Anyways, cut him and bring in 2 or 3 kickers to compete this week.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

It wouldn't make much sense to cut Suisham, especially considering he's probably better than the guys still out there.

C'mon JReid. Are you serious? You can't make easy FG's in the NFL, you don't have a job. Period. Three of Suisham's most inexcusable misses were relatively short --Seattle in the playoffs was I believe around a 30-yd. attempt, 39 yd. miss at Dallas and yesterday's choke job.

Snip snip.

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Cut Suisham, and bring in me. I'm a nice guy and I can miss from 23, too.

Posted by: closer44 | December 7, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

what has a greater chance of happening:

Tiger staying with his wife

or

Suisham staying with the team

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Jason, you forgot about the one chip shot that he missed earlier in the Dallas game. Swishy had two chances to help win that game for us.

Posted by: jahs4fun | December 7, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

what has a greater chance of happening:

Tiger staying with his wife

or

Suisham staying with the team

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Tiger's wife staying with him, for a couple million reasons...

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Losers lose....they find a way

Posted by: jfl1941 | December 7, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"...Cut him..."


Why?

Why not cut the fulback who fumbled late in the game?

Why not cut the safeties who gave up a touchdowns on double-moves and turnovers?

It's a team game.

The redskins' lost because of how the team played.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Need(s): right tackle, a real free safety, a multiple use speed back or a power back with some speed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 10:47 AM

I'd add a DT to the list as well. They need another above average player there. Giff is on the decline, and Golston is who he is. Monty, is an underachiever and I don't expect him back. There will be good players on the DL prospects in this draft so they need to go get one, preferably earlier than later.

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I agree, I'd cut em if I thought it would do anything.

At least we have a good punter for once.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 7, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Someone - it might have been Jimmy the Greek - always used to say that a good FG kicker will win you two games a year on average.

Swissham blew both of his opportunities.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Glad to hear jreid admit he has personal favorites. Rooting for suisham over Rayner in camp? Pitiful. It all makes sense now... Bring in BRANDON COUTU for a 4wk tryout. Suisham has had more than enough chances.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"...Cut him..."


Why?

Why not cut the fulback who fumbled late in the game?

Why not cut the safeties who gave up a touchdowns on double-moves and turnovers?

It's a team game.

The redskins' lost because of how the team played.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

moe, c'mon man, Suisham was the worst kicker statistics-wise in the NFL last season, and this year has cost the team 2 games -- Dallas and NO. You still want him on the team?

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Tiger's wife is with him until the pre-nup is modified. I give it a year.

Suisham stays.. The team is mathematically out of it (odd that WaPo writers are ignoring this) and Danny doesnt want to pay the buyout for a mid season cut. Same reason Zorny is still here (about 6 million reasons), Danny is soooo frugal..yet he is still paying Steve Spurrier..haha.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++


what has a greater chance of happening:

Tiger staying with his wife

or

Suisham staying with the team

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Tiger's wife staying with him, for a couple million reasons...

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 10:59 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 7, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Mayor, did you forget who you're talking about? Suishy has never made kicks outside of the 45 with regularity. Those accounted for the misses last season and, until an unforgivable miss yesterday, most this season too.

Isn't insanity when you repeat the same action over and over expecting a different result? If you're not going to get inside of the 30, get another kicker. If you can get close and not quite close the deal, he's typically been as good as anyone. Who are you going to replace him with, Novak?

If someone opens up the wallet and does for place kicking what they did for punting -- oh wait, they did do that. Remember John Hall? How many games did he miss? How many games has Smith missed this year?

Screw it. Sign Morten.

Posted by: WorstSeat | December 7, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I would have cut him last year. He doesn't have the leg strength to kick off into the end zone and cannot consistently make field goals from 45 yards or more out.

Posted by: siris | December 7, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Buh Bye Suisham, time to go, d bag...

The loss was hardly his fault, he missed it, but the bigger misses were from Landry on the double moves and coverage. Landry has to be benched. I love AH calling out Suisham, but not Landry...

Some players are standing up and playing great, others have already mailed it in.

Start the youth movement, lets see what we have, so we know where to draft other than an OL

but I do think someone should N. Kerrigan Suisham in the locker room.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 7, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I was just discussing this with my brother yesterday: why do the Redskins pass on big name FAs that would actually fit here? Drew Brees could have been had for a song and dance a few years back and they passed on him. The could have had Adam Vinatieri and they passed. Yet they can go all in for a guy with more question marks than sacks like Albert Haynesworth.

Vinny should be fired for that if nothing else.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

how about an update on ARE, Griff, and Golston??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

closer44, pretend its 2010 and Zorn is the QB Coach at Cleveland with Holmgren as the Browns new Head Coach. So, NO ZORN>
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"granted closer44.. he did get us to the missed FG.
Here is a question.
If you had to score a TD in 2 minutes and move the team 80 yrds to win the game and you were given the opporunity to select any starting QB from 16 of the 32 NFL teams, would Jason Campbell be one of them?"


Would Jim Zorn be his coach?

Posted by: closer44 | December 7, 2009 10:52 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 7, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Drew Brees could have been had for a song and dance

Brown, Brees could have been had for ZIP....to think that the Dolphins chose Culpepper over him.....wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

It's official: Jimmy Claussen is coming out for the NFL draft. I swear before all that is holy that I'm done with this team if that f*ckstick wears burgundy and gold next season...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

This guy ripped my heart out yesterday. F him in the SJK.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | December 7, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

interesting stat I saw last year was that the skins never attempted a FG inside the 20.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 7, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Drew Brees could have been had for a song and dance

Brown, Brees could have been had for ZIP....to think that the Dolphins chose Culpepper over him.....wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

was that the same year the skins grabbed brunell for a 2nd round pick? or the year after?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 7, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

It's official: Jimmy Claussen is coming out for the NFL draft. I swear before all that is holy that I'm done with this team if that f*ckstick wears burgundy and gold next season...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2009 11:09 AM

All we need now is for Locker to declare and then things will really get interesting.

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

cut him and check out his banking account to see if he got a large sum of money.

Posted by: mojolewis2003 | December 7, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

So now that we have depleted our Secondary and that Landry blows, have our needs in the off season changed???

OL is important, very important, but is that who we reach for in the 1st???

I would like to congratulate DT11 for his great game, congrats kid. Imagine that almost everyone said, "hey get the kid to return kicks and get him warmed up and started to get ready for the game" now they do and he is playing great.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 7, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I have a better idea....

get rid of ALL of them.....league wide! Make a touchdown worth seven points, and let the chips fall were they may!!

Kickers....ugh!!

Posted by: httr20081 | December 7, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

al, for kicks and giggles, that should probably go unanswered...I mean, how much bad news can we stand in one stretch of time.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"Jimmy Claussen is coming out for the NFL draft."

The New Math:

Jimmy Claussen=Brady Quinn

Reggie Bush=Peter Warrick

Roy Williams=Michael Westbrook

Matt Leinhart=David Carr

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

What do you get when you cross a Scientologist with the Kindergarden Ninja?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 7, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

A Kindergarden Scientologist.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 7, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Why did Tiger Woods leave his house so early on November 25th?

He had a 2:30 "tree time"!!

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Figuring out our kicking game has been an issue for 3 years - whether it's missed FGs or short kickoffs or whatever.

On real teams, guys get cut/replaced.

Jason Elam is one of the long-standing well-respected kickers in the game; yet the Falcons had no problem showing him the door after his misses cost them a couple games.

Why we are this loyal to Suishy is beyond me.

But I'm sure Jim Zorn has a "gosh-golly-gee" statement ready in his defense where he'll talk about how hard he's working and how things are "improving"(?!)

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Brown, Brees could have been had for ZIP....to think that the Dolphins chose Culpepper over him.....wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 11:09 AM


Definitely something we can agree on Greg...it baffles me that Brees injured his shoulder and couldn't get a sniff from anyone but Miami and NO, yet Jake f-ing Delhomme gets a big lucrative extention after having TOMMY JOHN SURGERY! Unbelievable.

The whole jist of the conversation was that the Skins could have had one of most clutch kickers in NFL history on their team and they passed in favor of turds like Hall and Suisham and Novak. Mistifying that they can try to stockpile DTs and can't address the one spot on special teams that wins and loses games.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

It wouldn't make much sense to cut Suisham, especially considering he's probably better than the guys still out there.
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Based on your analysis?? There are guys at least as good out there. I hope Brandon Coutu's agent is on with the skins now. In college he never missed an xp, so Reid please stop bragging suisham was 20 for 21. He also was perfect inside 40 his senior year, 7-10 between 40-50, and 1-3 outside 50. He hit a 58 yarder as a sophomore. BRING HIM IN!!!

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Only the Redkins

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 7, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Only the Redskins

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 7, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Why did Tiger Woods leave his house so early on November 25th?

He had a 2:30 "tree time"!!


Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Or was it November 27th...damnit, joke ruined....

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Jason Elam is one of the long-standing well-respected kickers in the game; yet the Falcons had no problem showing him the door after his misses cost them a couple games.


Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2009 11:21 AM


I'd roll with him over Suisham every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Get Elam!

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 7, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

LOL... Why do people keep saying there's probably no better kicker out there?

We won't know until we sign one of 'em.

They sure couldn't be any worse.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

J.Reid analysis.

Suisham. Cost Skins 2 games this year and more in the past. Bad at his job but he is a nice guy to me so I'll defend and say it's a team effort.

Portis. Not running well this year. Not nice to me. Will say that he is cause of problems in run game not poor blocking.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 7, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"It wouldn't make much sense to cut Suisham, especially considering he's probably better than the guys still out there."

here is the truth

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

BRANDON COUTU never missed an xp, so go somewhere with "suisham is 20 for 21", jreid. He was also perfect inside 40 his last two years. In his last two years he was 10-13 between 40-50 and 3-6 outside 50. He's was killing suisham before he was old enough to drink. Now he's a YOUNG FREE AGENT. So what are you basing the assumption on that nobody available is better than suisham? League sources??

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Tony Dungy, on NBC's Sunday night Vikings-Cardinals telecast, minced no words on what he'd do if he were Suisham's coach: "I'd have to cut him before he cost me my job."


Because as nice a guy Tony Dungy is, he also understands the reality of football and doesn't have his head up his own arse the way our coaches/organization does.

Dungy let Mike Vanderjagt walk out the door after watching him choke in the playoffs and saw the writing on the wall...

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"So now that we have depleted our Secondary and that Landry blows, have our needs in the offseason changed?"

The needs are the same, but the nicknames have changed:

LaRon Landry will be called "Mr. Whiff".

Carlos Rogers will be known as "Double Move" as "Hands of Stone" has been taken by the pass deflecting machine know as Philip Daniels.

Mike Sellars will be known as "Fumbles".

Kareem Moore's new title is "Strip".

Clinton Portis poor vision due to a concussion warrants the title "Ray Charles"

"Bingo" Lewis should stay, but sadly,
"Zoron the Moron" might be elsewhere next fall.

Prince Al Haynesworth will become "Ankles".

Finally, Shaun Suisham will be known throughout the land as "Chip Shot Miss A lot".

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003

Who is hating? No one is hating on the young guys and even the JC haters are coming around.

Of course, we'll probably dump JC, now that he's turned the corner.

Posted by: Rypien11

if your not a hater then i'm not talking to you.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

This guy is Vinny pick...absolutely

except from ESPN article about Jimmy Clausen entering the draft.

"and his ability to persevere is why several general managers, who have requested anonymity, believe he is the most NFL-ready quarterback in this year's draft. They say he's already mastered an NFL offense, has already been subjected to a leaky offensive line and has already been part of a rebuilding process. They like that he played his entire college career on national TV and that he thrived in one of the biggest fishbowls in sports: Notre Dame."

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

skinball, Campbell should stay, he's the best player on our O right now

I hope you totally freak out now :-)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Jason Elam might still be available. He was cut recently by Atlanta. Granted he was cut for the same reason as Suisam should be.

That being said Suisam wasn't the only reason they lost, just the most obvious.

I know O-line is their biggest need but if for some reason Ndamokong Suh is available when they pick (highly unlikely) I wouldn't be too upset if the took him. Guy's an outright beast and playing next to AH would be freakin scary for other teams.

Posted by: skinswest | December 7, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

replacing a mediocre kicker with a mediocre kicker accomplishes what?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

there are a lot of guys who have no business out there who are on the field for the Redskins....you go 3-9 and whatever it ends up to be or you eliminate the stupid amateur mistakes and get better....gotta gets guys who can play and win, rather than guys who just play and hope to win.

pros don't make mistakes like what happened yesterday.....amateurs do.

Posted by: outrbnksm | December 7, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

I agree with most of your list, but I think its too early to put Bush on Warrick status. He is more than likely to be cut this offseason because of his cap status. I would love to have him here. Could you imagine a Dwyer/Bush backfield in 2010? I know it will never happen, but we all can dream.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | December 7, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Now that I have had some sleep and have calmed down from the tough loss yesterday, I can say with complete clarity, F zorn and his playing not to lose coaching.

If you have no confidence in your scheme, no confidence in your game plan and no confidence in your playcalling then you run from an obvious run formation three times in a row when you are at the 5 yard line. Way to go idiot.

And cut Shankham.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

anyone who thinks the kicker is a problem is missing the point, completely

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

How much more does "Mr. Daniel M. $nyder" plan to shovel onto his loyal fans? Did he notice, as the rest of the nation did, that FedEx was once again filled with the faithful from the opponent? Despicable little man! Bucks is bucks to him. Doesn't matter where they come from.

FIRE CERRATO!

CUT Suisham.

Hire a freaking General Manager NOW, before all of the other worthless teams get there first!

Posted by: AWWNats | December 7, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"would love to have him here"

Was this serious?? What did he do yesterday that impressed you?? He's on a team that is an offensive juggernaut, and he's basically nothing special...going after Bush if he's available this offseason is EXACTLY something DSnyder would do...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

pabrian, suisham cost the team the Dallas and NO games...thats called not doing your job....for that he needs to go....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Pabrian is nuttier than Vinny.

The solution is: Keep everyone - including a weak-leg kicker who has cost the team two games this year - because there's no one better out there (how anyone knows this is a mystery, but don't question it).

Whew.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Suisham should have been cut before the season. People seem to forget that his easy miss in the Seattle playoff game turned the momentum when the Skins were ready to go up 4 points. His misses against Dallas and New Orleans are reasons that coaches get fired. Is it fair? No, but this is a business and nice guys get cut when they miss easy or clutch kicks. This wasn't a 47-yarder against the wind.

It was essentially an extra point and Suisham should have made it with ease. Game is over at that point and people aren't dissecting why JC threw a pick or the refs overturned a call in OT. No excuses - he should be cut and sooner than later.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 7, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

replacing a mediocre kicker with a mediocre kicker accomplishes what?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

That's not the point. Point is, Suisham has proven he can't make clutch kicks. So at that point you have to go find someone who can. The alternative is trotting him out there in big spots and acting shocked when the referees signal "no good" ...

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

anyone who thinks the kicker is a problem is missing the point, completely

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Not sure how you could say he's not a problem. I agree he's not the only problem, but he's certainly a problem. 23 yards. Make it.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Nothing yesterday was impressive because he was injured. But Bush is the change of pace back a la Brian Mitchell that we could use. He catches the ball well, we know from last years game that he returns punts well and he is still fast. I didnt say they should pay him like Portis, I said I would like to have him here as a complement to someone like Dwyer or a between the tackles type of back.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | December 7, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Suisham could learn how to be a DB that doesnt bite on a double move

Posted by: vze2bnyf | December 7, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

FROM last night:

It's equivalent to tripping over JC's stats and not seeing him for being average.

Posted by: Diesel44

Not today he wasn't average. Today he outplayed one of the two best QBs in the NFL. With a makeshift line, without any decent running backs, and with a committee calling plays.

Posted by: TheCork | December 7, 2009 1:35 AM | Report abuse

CORKSTER:

Every dog has his day. Twice if he's lucky. If you've read my advice column here for the jilted REDSKINS fans, you know I have foreborne from waiving PORTIS or letting JC walk. We need to retain CAMPBELL while we cure his jumpy feet with a solid o-line (best LT in free agency). Add ERIC BERRY, three o-linemen in the second,fourth, fifth rounds, best available player in the seventh (a sure started with VC picking). Best free agent CB and OLB to the defense and a FA kicker to relieve SUISHAM of his misery, and we can rock the NFL once again.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 7, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I saw two more than capable kickers in the Florida Alabama game on Saturday. It's not hard to find a guy with a big leg, it's just hard to find someone clutch. But you never know who is and who isn't until they're put in that situation.

Swisham is not clutch, obviously, and needs to go. Sooner the better.

Posted by: REXskins | December 7, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Yeah - Suisham needs to go. What happens when next year, we're 8-6 and down 23-21 in Philly with a 40 FG try for the win and a playoff spot on the line?

You want SS kicking?

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 7, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

king, no thanks, over-rated..and he's not going to be cheap either, so double that no thanks.....I'd rather keep Ganther, and spend the money elsewhere...ol/dl

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"I would love to have him here. Could you imagine a Dwyer/Bush backfield in 2010?"


I've always been pro-Bush.

Just ask mrsmoe.

But Reggie Bush--with all that his name and potential implie--got beat out in NO by P Thomas.

That means if he came to Washington he'd get beat out by someone else.

Unless someone had a specific use for him.

If Bush came to DC, he'd be a punt returner, share kick returning duties, and have specific packages of plays on offense to run.

He's not an every down running back.

He'd be a guy to catch a screen or set up in the slot to distract the defense.

Thing is, you can get all these things out of CJ Spiller plus have a decent running back if that's what you want.

And Spiller is the guy I want.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Memorable Skins kickers developed appropriate nicknames:

Ali Haji Shank

Chip Widemiller

Any ideas for Suisham?

Posted by: AWWNats | December 7, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Since I'm willing to give JC time to make the Clutch drive happen, I'm, personally willing to give Suisham the same chance.
The only game I'm really interested in winning right now is the CowPies. If Suisham can bury a longish FG after a big drive from JC in the final minute to put the CowPies into the outside-looking-in position in the playoff race, well, that'd be a win worth losing a draft slot or two.

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are riddled with losers from top to bottom. Hire someone who can tell the difference between a winner and a loser and set him to work.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 7, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

It's easy to say cut Suisham (and he should be cut) but the defense really has to bear the lion's share of the blame. They played poorly at the most critical juncture of the game by allowing the Saints to score so easily. And if LaRon doesn't get benched for giving up 2 similar big plays, then the coaching staff isn't being consistent. If getting fooled twice by double moves got Rogers benched, the same should apply to LaRon. It's OK to say you want an aggressive safety but you want a player that learns from mistakes.

Posted by: tundey | December 7, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm with Moe - SPILLER SPILLER SPILLER.

But Okung first. Find a way to get both!

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 7, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Suisham is the reason the Redskins lost two games this year. He should not have been allowed back in the locker room yesterday. CUT THAT LOUSY KICKER.

Posted by: mjwies11 | December 7, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Suisham is definitely not clutch. That's the key. He may be 99% this year but what good is it when the remaining 1% cost you 2 games? That's why Indy dumped Vanderjagt and got Vinatieri. Vanderjagt may have the better overall FG % but Vinatieri makes clutch kicks.

Posted by: tundey | December 7, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

But Okung first. Find a way to get both!

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 7, 2009 11:47 AM

To get Okung you'd have to move up past the Lions at least, maybe even past the Bucs.

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I'm not for Blowing this whole thing up. We have the Number 1 passing defense. Our youn receivers are starting to show some promise and the offense is starting to move the ball.

I still like Landry, Brees makes alot of people look bad, he fooled him twice.

Suisham, should not have a job come the end of th eday.

Draft Oline, sign Oline.

Cut Portis, Cut Betts, get some young runners back there.

Resign McIntosh, don't let him Walk in FA. Let C. Rogers walk, we don't need him.

Resign J. Campbell to a prove it deal, 1 year, give him a shot with the same Coach (yes I said it).

Posted by: ryan_conaway | December 7, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

For those who were trying to advocate to something different last week:

Former Washington assistant head coach Gregg Williams doesn't bear a grudge towards Dan Snyder for firing him instead of promoting him two years ago next month, saying that he and the Redskins' owner are still "very good friends."

Speaking at length for the first time about what transpired after Joe Gibbs' January 2008 retirement, the unbeaten Saints' new defensive coordinator told New Orleans media on Friday that he was never led to believe he would succeed the Hall of Fame coach.

"No, at no point in time did I think about those type of things," Williams said. "I've got a strong personality and he owns the team. It's OK. Dan and I are still very good friends. Dan treated my family so well. He treated me well when I was there. We are still really good friends. I really enjoyed being around him. He’s very intelligent and very aggressive in his thinking, proactive in what he wants done."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

TWISI - Okung should still be there around #5, no? You think the Lions or Bucs will be smart enough to take him?

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 7, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I am pretty sure that I would like to see Blache/ Gray go, bring in new scheme and attitude for the Defense.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 7, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Laron Landry needs to sit until he understands; never mind i'm the baddest azz on the planet preening, just stop the Td's and sadly Suisham needs to go after the season, they could be 5-7 maybe 6-6 and shut Rodney Harrison steroid mouth(can't stand him)remind's me of Stevie Wonder's old tune he' mr.know-it-all.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 7, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"...SPILLER SPILLER SPILLER. But Okung first. Find a way to get both!"


You'd have to be lucky enough to be born Bill Gates, jr. for that to happen.

The draft is about choices between what you want and what you need.

When you see things through the lens of the Wizards of Redskins' Park, drafting an offensive tackle doesn't come into view.

I think the FO will come out of this season confidant that Heyer/Jones/Williams/Dockery/Williams is next year's offensive line.

Then, they will turn around and say they need a running back to replace Portis.

And they will want Jonathan Dwyer or Toby Gerhart.

When Spiller is the guy they need.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

But Okung first. Find a way to get both!

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 7, 2009 11:47 AM

To get Okung you'd have to move up past the Lions at least, maybe even past the Bucs.

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

That's the idea, and we're not going to have the opportunity to get KING KONG so begin fixing the d-backfield while we can. Pick the LT in FA and keep JONES on as a back-up.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 7, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I still like Landry, Brees makes alot of people look bad, he fooled him twice.

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Brees did not fool LL. Payton game planned using double moves because he saw tape that showed it would work against the Skins DBs. LL proved him right.

Do not let him play FS anymore. Bench him or move him to SS.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11 I think so. Unless they get a good OT in free agency. Both those teams have young potential franchise QBs. The next step would be to get a potential franchise LT.

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

To get Okung you'd have to move up past the Lions at least, maybe even past the Bucs.

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

The bucs need a DT bad. They are awful against the run especially inside and one of the most promising DTs since big al is coming out this year. I don't see them passing on suh.


The Browns have Joe Thomas but need help in the right side. I doubt they take Okung to be there future right tackle in the top 5 of the draft. That would be stupid when they can get a right tackle a lot lower in the draft at a much cheaper price.

The Rams have a good line and just took a tackle last year. They aren't going left tackle agian this year.

The Lions are our biggest threat to Okung. They have to win 1 more game. They beat us head to head so winning 1 more game puts us in front of them. They are the odds on favorites to take Okung but they love Backus for some reason and need a lot of help elsewhere. They should take Okung but they are the Lions.

If we somehow get behind the Chiefs they will most certainly take Okung.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 7, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

No one, Not Suisham, not Landry are going nowhere...You people need to understand that they have families they need to feed their families....LIKE YOU NEVER MADE ANY MISTAKE at your work place.....stop whining, stop with your stupid demands, if you dont like the team then dont come to the game, stay home, Mr. Snyder is sick of your demands, your crying, Mr. Snyder doesnt care about what YOU think, Suisham is fine see the above stats from Mr. Reed, thankyou. Landry is a helluva safety he can not cover EVERYPLAY otherwise he'll be superman..you people make Mr. Snyder sick...WHAT? YOU WANNA WIN EVERY GAME!? ARE you people Delusional!!
Mr. Snyder should definetely take this team somewhere else...He has made this the most profitable organization BUT you seem to not care about that , right?"

Posted by: Incognito00 | December 7, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I agree with that assumption. They need to find someone that can do more than just one thing. They need Spiller to handle a couple of duties right out of the gate, some of the other runners are not multi-dimensional...I could see them drafting a DB/ S/ LB/ RB in the first round and not an OL...I think this year's draft more than others, it is possible to pick up another draft pick due to some teams economical situation this year.

New GM - probably wont happen
New HC
New DC

Draft OL x 2
Draft RB
Draft a QB
Draft LB/ DB what is best left

My Xmas wish list

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 7, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

My thoughtS on Suisham, Two Words -YOUR FIRED !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 7, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Well, it could be worse, I guess.

I had both games on yesterday (Atl/Phi and Was/NO), and the cheers for Michael Vick when he scored on that rushing TD were deafening.

I know he still has a lot fans in Atlanta, but that's still embarassing. They shouldn't be cheering that loudly for a guy in the other uniform.

Good for Vick though. I hope he lands a starting job somewhere next year.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Ingognito, really...we are fans, why would we care about Snyder making a profit, other than to buy more players

Landry cant make every play, but he sure could learn the double move, so that he doesnt get burnt on it every time, would have thought he would play special attention to CR22 getting burned and benched.

Suisham sucks, enough said.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 7, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Can pabrian and Incognito00 go to another blog by any chance?

Or a 48-hour RI ban?

I am in favor of either...

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

How about a poll to see how many people think Suisham should be fired, Thats Logical and sound right?

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 7, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Two Words -YOUR FIRED !

Oooh, just missed. "Your Fried!" would have been pure Jasno.

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit...as a lifelong Washingtonian and hater of the Redskins organization, I was ecstatic when the kick went wide. I was even more ecstatic when Campbell got picked off in their last drive, and I am happy that I get to read for another week about Redskins disappointment and Capitals growing successes.

That being said, I am torn over the hooplah over a kicker's fate when they miss the clutch kick. On the one hand, it's what they are paid to do. On the other, they are paid far less for the most part than their skill-position brethren. Nobody is jumping on Campbell about his late pick. Nobody is getting on Sellers's case about his OT fumble. Nobody is getting on the D's case about how they let the Saints cut through them like soft butter in the final minute. Last time I checked, the QB is paid not to throw to the other team, the RB is paid not to put the ball on the ground, and the D is paid to stop the other team. They all screwed up. A perfect disaster, and very good for those of us who continue to want to see the Redskins disintegrate.

Kickers, for the most part, are a dime a dozen, and therefore get passed around like my friend's sister. If the Skins stop the Saints on that last drive, we are not having this discussion. But when they miss the ones they are supposed to make, they get the ax and nobody looks back. I don't like the double standard placed on NFL players' expectations. If you want to cut somebody, cut the whole starting team and start over. They all "missed a chip shot" if you ask me.

Posted by: Rainier1 | December 7, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

@ PAskinsfan17 the Rams are a mystery to me at this point who they should select. Here's what I see at this point for a mock draft:

Browns - Clausen/Locker (They may not want to go ND QB again)
Rams - Berry (as a CB)
Bucs - Suh
Lions - Okung
Skins - McCoy

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"It wasn't Suisham's fault that the Saints traveled 80 yards in only 33 seconds against Washington's defense to tie the score at 30-30, but Suisham missed kick, obviously, was huge."


I doesn't help. I imagine you play a little differently with a 10 point lead than with a 7 point lead.

Posted by: closer44 | December 7, 2009 10:48

Yes. you play tighter when you lead is only 7, so the Saints would have driven the 80 yards in half the time? LOL.

Posted by: hock1 | December 7, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I dont care how nice of a guy Suisham is or that he went to MD or that he is better than any bum on the street we could replace him with. I don't care if we have to make Haynesworth the kicker. We are 3-9 so the season is done anyways. Make an example out of this guy. Not only should he be fired, he should be jumped and beaten on site if he dares to walk the streets of DC.

Also want to say again that Sellers never fumbled, the whistle was blown, and the refs were paid off by somebody. These are facts.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 7, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Kickers should be clutch?? How about QB's?? When the Skins needed Campbell to step up these last three weeks at the end did Campbell find a way to win?? To me this was the FIRST kick Suisham blew. Can't blame him for a 50 yarder especially when he started 12 for 12. and if you are going to balme Suisham for this loss how about a little for Landry.. TWICE he let recievers get behind him for long TD's and how about Moore letting a WR pull that ball from his hands for a TD or how about Sellers and his fumble.. lots of blame to go around.. Besides even if Suisham made that kick.. it only took the a few seconds to Saints score a TD.. and with the Skins luck i'm sure they would have blown the on side kick and would have lost anyway

Posted by: sovine08 | December 7, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is jumping on Campbell about his late pick. Nobody is getting on Sellers's case about his OT fumble. Nobody is getting on the D's case about how they let the Saints cut through them like soft butter in the final minute.
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Because none of that happens/matters if Suisham kicks a 23-yard FG, which is all he's asked to do - kick.

A 10-point lead ices it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Not only should he be fired, he should be jumped and beaten on site if he dares to walk the streets of DC.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 7, 2009 12:15 PM |
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LMAO

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Kickers should be clutch?? How about QB's?? When the Skins needed Campbell to step up these last three weeks at the end did Campbell find a way to win?? To me this was the FIRST kick Suisham blew. Can't blame him for a 50 yarder especially when he started 12 for 12. and if you are going to balme Suisham for this loss how about a little for Landry.. TWICE he let recievers get behind him for long TD's and how about Moore letting a WR pull that ball from his hands for a TD or how about Sellers and his fumble.. lots of blame to go around.. Besides even if Suisham made that kick.. it only took the a few seconds to Saints score a TD.. and with the Skins luck i'm sure they would have blown the on side kick and would have lost anyway

Posted by: sovine08 | December 7, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

How about the 39-yd miss right before the half against Dallas? Or the choke-job against Seattle in the 2007 playoffs? And btw, all the other people you have mentioned have gotten a little bit of the blame as well...

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"They (the redskins) need to find someone that can do more than just one thing."



I've been on this for about three months now.

The redskins would do well to add a player that the defense has to account for because of his speed and flexiblity.

The iggles have Westbrook and Jackson.

The vikes have Harvin.

The pats have Welker.

The saints, colts, texans lay out and array of guys to fear.

The chargers have Sproles.

We can rebuild the o-line on the fly.

We have a quarterback in Jason Campbell who seems to be 'getting it.'

But getting a dynamic offensive skill player to go with Thomas and Davis and Cooley and Moss is paramount.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

So Suisham missed a FG and now he is the scapegoat? What a bunch of dimwits to think that. Why not talk about the interception? or the fumble? or the stolen ball? or the many passes off-target? or the lack of defense? or the fact that the offense could not out-score a team that was playing with only half their first defensive unit?
Suisham is as good a kicker as there is in the NFL. Those Redskins players who are angry at him should look at themselves for their own lousy play first.

Posted by: hock1 | December 7, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

The look on Zorn's face after Suisham missed was the exact same look Gibbs had on his face in Seattle back in 2007. Made me laugh a little...

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

The Lions are our biggest threat to Okung. They have to win 1 more game. They beat us head to head so winning 1 more game puts us in front of them.
Posted by: PAskinsfan17 |

Head to head doesn't matter in draft order. Whoever had the easier schedule goes first for teams with the same record.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 7, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

So Suisham missed a FG and now he is the scapegoat? What a bunch of dimwits to think that. Why not talk about the interception? or the fumble? or the stolen ball? or the many passes off-target? or the lack of defense? or the fact that the offense could not out-score a team that was playing with only half their first defensive unit?
Suisham is as good a kicker as there is in the NFL. Those Redskins players who are angry at him should look at themselves for their own lousy play first.

Posted by: hock1 | December 7, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

no offense...hahahahaha

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Because none of that happens/matters if Suisham kicks a 23-yard FG, which is all he's asked to do - kick.

A 10-point lead ices it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

What a dumb remark. Did you forget that they had your 10 point lead late in the fourth quarter and that they blew it???

Posted by: hock1 | December 7, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

moe, DThomas is gonna be a player, book it...move moss to the slot and he'll thrive, ala welker in NE...book that too....start throwing the ball to kelly, and he'll blossom...book that as well....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is jumping on Campbell about his late pick. Nobody is getting on Sellers's case about his OT fumble. Nobody is getting on the D's case about how they let the Saints cut through them like soft butter in the final minute.
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Because none of that happens/matters if Suisham kicks a 23-yard FG, which is all he's asked to do - kick.

A 10-point lead ices it.

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The fact that he misses the kick means that it does matter. And since it does matter, and he does throw the pick, he is as much to blame. Had he missed the kick on the last play of the game, different story.

Posted by: Rainier1 | December 7, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

What a dumb remark. Did you forget that they had your 10 point lead late in the fourth quarter and that they blew it???

Posted by: hock1 | December 7, 2009 12:25 PM |
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Perhaps you need to study a clock to understand the ramifications.

A 10-point lead earlier in the 4th quarter is no guarantee of a win (for any team).

However, a 10-point lead with under 2 minutes left and the opposing team having NO TIMEOUTS essentially ices it.

Go back to your beloved Caps blog, ya hockey-luvin hoser.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

replacing a mediocre kicker with a mediocre kicker accomplishes what?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 11:30 AM
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um... mediocrity? Was this a trick question?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 7, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

What a dumb remark. Did you forget that they had your 10 point lead late in the fourth quarter and that they blew it???

Posted by: hock1

This is the dumbest remark of the day. You do realize that by making the FG, they would have had to score TWICE under two minutes with NO timeouts, and get an onside kick in there too (which is now like a 10% success rate in the NFL since the rule change)??

By "blowing" the 10 point lead, you mean they allowed the Saints to get within 7 before driving to ice the game, when SS blew it?

Wow, just wow.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 7, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes other people made mistakes too but if the kicker on a high school team missed that kick he would be replaced. Its inexcusable. Yes Campbell threw a dumb INT, but he also had one of his best games ever. I was on the fence but I think we should keep him for next year now and draft Clausen or Bradford to replace him in a year or two.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 7, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

How about you ingrates should be fired! No one is forcing you to root for the business mr Snyder is running. If you are so offended then go somewhere else, stop your freaking crying and complaining every monday is the same crap....geesh!
You want a perfect kicker perfect safety perfect record....dang is YOUR LIFE PERFERCT? STOP IT!

Posted by: Incognito00 | December 7, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

FIRED YERSELF AND PLEASE DONT COME TO THE GAMES ...EITHER YOU COME AND EXPERIENCE WHAT MR. SNYDER HAS TO OFFER OR DONT COME AT ALL. SIMPLE AS THAT YOU PEOPLE ARE WORST THAN HEMORROIDS!

Posted by: Incognito00 | December 7, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Incognito00

If it bothers YOU so much, stop coming here and complaining about those complaining.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 7, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

hock and rainier,

It was a 23-yard FG. Do you have any idea how short of a kick that is? It's like a golfer missing a 12-inch tap-in. No excuses for missing it. Saints had no timeouts left, so even if they score quickly, they have to recover an onside-kick, and if they don't we kneel down twice and the game is over. I can't believe people are actually arguing about this...

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Incognito00

you need to be more like your handle.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Zorn, these are different double moves than the double moves we were fooled on before, but yes, they're double moves.


???

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Yes my life is perfect incognito. However, I dont want a perfect safety or kicker. Just a safety who doesnt dance like a fairy every time he tackles someone after a 15 yards gain and a kicker who doesn't miss field goals that my grandmother could make in big games.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 7, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11, lay off the bottle. By blowing the 10 point lead, means that they blew the 10 points lead that so many people think could have "iced" the game, period. Called anything you wan- 10 points, two scores, etc. , they had it late in the game, they blew it, and the FG miss was not the reason they lost that lead. The FG was a missed opportunity and a bad execution and nothing more, but there were plenty of that through out the game, or do you have selective memory? maybe too much wine and you didn't see the opportunities to score 7 points instead of a field goal? a fumble? a stolen ball? an interception? you woke up just to see a missed field goal? lay off the wine.

Posted by: hock1 | December 7, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"What a dumb remark. Did you forget that they had your 10 point lead late in the fourth quarter and that they blew it???"

Yes, and then they had a 7 point lead, with a chip shot field goal to make it 10, and Suisham blew that.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 7, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

What about the chip shot he missed against Dallas?

Posted by: jyshim | December 7, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Ryp, even though we didn't make the RI list last week, I see a number of candidates have stepped up to challenge for the "Village Idiot" or "Dumbest post" awards...

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Does not sound like Zorn will be bringing in a kicker to look at this week.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Zorn also just gave Sherman Lewis some credit, along with the other O coaches.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: hock1

You're right, idiot. Don't pay attention to the 5 other people who are agreeing with me and disagreeing with you. YOU are the ONLY one who is correct.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 7, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

It was a 23-yard FG. Do you have any idea how short of a kick that is? It's like a golfer missing a 12-inch tap-in. No excuses for missing it.

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I never said there is an excuse for missing it. It's sad, and also even more a cause of celebration on my part. No NFL kicker should be missing that kick. I could make that kick. The point is that people jump on the "fire the kicker" bandwagon very quickly when they mess up an easy play, but for some reason other players do not come under the same scrutiny after making a single fundamental, yet pivotal mistake.

Posted by: Rainier1 | December 7, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

curz, did you really think he would?? I mean, the man struggles to make the most obvious decisions, putting Cooley on IR took 4 weeks, putting Portis on IR has taken this long, I mean did you really think he was gonna be bold enough to cut suisham, and bring in another kicker?? I mean, he still thinks he's a good play caller.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

mattylight - Boy you are correct. On that note, I wonder if zfjr2 is ignoring posting on purpose, or if he is just not around.... not that I want to gloat. If we won, I'd be gloating a little.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 7, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11, lay off the bottle. By blowing the 10 point lead, means that they blew the 10 points lead that so many people think could have "iced" the game, period. Called anything you wan- 10 points, two scores, etc. , they had it late in the game, they blew it, and the FG miss was not the reason they lost that lead. The FG was a missed opportunity and a bad execution and nothing more, but there were plenty of that through out the game, or do you have selective memory? maybe too much wine and you didn't see the opportunities to score 7 points instead of a field goal? a fumble? a stolen ball? an interception? you woke up just to see a missed field goal? lay off the wine.

Posted by: hock1 | December 7, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Just say no to drugs, dude...

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Does not sound like Zorn will be bringing in a kicker to look at this week.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 12:40 PM

Not surprising.

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

as tessio commented, "I always liked him. Nothing personal, just business."

cut him.

Posted by: jimfilyaw | December 7, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Norv Turner cut David Akers to "make a point." That turned out well.

Posted by: jakfish | December 7, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

There were numerous parties at fault for the blown lead.

But none of them were bigger than a missed chip-shot field goal with 2 minutes to go.

That is indefensible. Please lay of the crack if you believe otherwise.

Posted by: psps23 | December 7, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Who knows? The Redskins have developed a culture of losing. And missing that kick was deflating. I was thinking that if Suisham makes it we (almost certainly) win. When he missed, I immediately thought, oh crap, we just lost! Granted, I'm just a fan and the professionals on our D should be above that kind of thinking, but recent history has shown that if this team can find a way to lose they will. Of course, all of that's not on Suisham, but c'mon! He's an NFL kicker and it's 23 yards. A 10-point lead with under 2 minutes and our own foot becomes a much smaller target no matter how hard we try to shoot ourselves. Mainly, I just thought JReid was very wishy-washy and going way too far to make excuses for the guy.

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"It wasn't Suisham's fault that the Saints traveled 80 yards in only 33 seconds against Washington's defense to tie the score at 30-30, but Suisham missed kick, obviously, was huge."


I doesn't help. I imagine you play a little differently with a 10 point lead than with a 7 point lead.

Posted by: closer44 | December 7, 2009 10:48

Yes. you play tighter when you lead is only 7, so the Saints would have driven the 80 yards in half the time? LOL."

Posted by: closer44 | December 7, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

hock and rainier,

It was a 23-yard FG. Do you have any idea how short of a kick that is? It's like a golfer missing a 12-inch tap-in. No excuses for missing it. Saints had no timeouts left, so even if they score quickly, they have to recover an onside-kick, and if they don't we kneel down twice and the game is over. I can't believe people are actually arguing about this...

Posted by: mattylight

No one is excusing it for missing the field goal. What we are arguing is that it is stupid to use it as an excuse for losing the game, to blame Suisham as a scapegoat is ridiculous. That miss had nothing to do with the Saints erasing a 10 point deficit late in the first quarter. Suisham does not play defense. WTF? I mean I could enumerate the bad passes to wide open receivers, some within 10 yards, do you have any idea how short that is for a profesional QB or even a high school QB? Yep. you can nitpick at anything.

Posted by: hock1 | December 7, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Greg, no, never crossed my mind. Just repeating what he was saying in the presser.

In fact he said of the three runs before the missed field goal: we got down there with our normal plays, then had to milk the clock. We were thinking TD firs, and can score a TD using the run game.

Said those were his calls.

Still wish he would not be allowed to interfere with the two real play callers.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"SIMPLE AS THAT YOU PEOPLE ARE WORST THAN HEMORROIDS!"

We might be, as you say, literal pains in the butt, but we do have competition.

Kids.

Teenagers specifically.

In the guard gated community of over-valued about to be foreclosed upon homes where I live, gangs of middle class teenagers are going around ripping up christmas displays.

Now that's hateful.

That's a crime worthy of being sentenced to an Italian jail sentence.

I got so pissed, this past Saturday night, I laid out and waited for the crew of wanta be thugs who were going around tearing out xmas lights.

I shouted at them as they tore down my black Santa Claus and fled with his head up the street.

I thought I had them cornered until a kid executed this smooth double move and sprinted past me as I fell down in the street.

The kid turned, did a Dion Sanders' touchdown dance, and laughed as I got up off the road.

"I told you he'd fall for the double move," the kid told his friends.

"He does every year."

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I never said there is an excuse for missing it. It's sad, and also even more a cause of celebration on my part. No NFL kicker should be missing that kick. I could make that kick. The point is that people jump on the "fire the kicker" bandwagon very quickly when they mess up an easy play, but for some reason other players do not come under the same scrutiny after making a single fundamental, yet pivotal mistake.

Posted by: Rainier1 | December 7, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

On that we agree -- to a point. If you read the blog on a consistent basis (not sure if you do), you'll know that JC17 gets ripped repeatedly up here, especially for his poor performances in the clutch. Same for Landry -- he and Rogers get pummelled regularly. Only difference is, Suisham has one job and one job only, and that is to make kicks. If he can't do that, why keep him around?

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Zorn also just gave Sherman Lewis some credit, along with the other O coaches

As well he should.....offense played the best it has in the previous 20 games....not to mention they're throwing the ball to more than 2 players...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"It wasn't Suisham's fault that the Saints traveled 80 yards in only 33 seconds against Washington's defense to tie the score at 30-30, but Suisham missed kick, obviously, was huge."

33 seconds, huh? That would have put, what, 1:27 on the clock with no timeouts left and a 3 point lead?

Victory formation.

And actually, it was his fault. If he kicked the FG, the Saints would have driven 80 yards in 33 seconds to pull within 3 points of the Redskins at 33-30.

Game over.

Posted by: psps23 | December 7, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

And don't expect to see LL removed from the FS position. Moore is coming along, but LL will be staying at FS.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"The redskins' lost because of how the team played."

Keep reading this kind of stuff and its hilarious. They also had a chance to win the game because of the way the team played. A field goal there wins the game. Saints have no timeouts. Can you imagine how the defensive players felt after that kick missed? How did you feel as a fan?Then they had to go out and try to stop the most efficient offense in the league....

Suisham must go today. You cannot have him in the locker room anymore, the team may mutiny on him. Give a young guy a shot for the last four games and have another competition in the offseason.

Posted by: saltine182 | December 7, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:

- Mike Sellers: The fullback was taken to the hospital last night because of a thigh bruise that had compartmental syndrome -- which is exactly what Jason Taylor had last year in his calf, where blood builds up and it has to be drained. (sorry, hope you're not eating lunch) Sellers spent the night at the hospital and Zorn isn't sure he'll be ready to go for the Raiders game. "If I know Mike he'll try to make it back," Zorn said. "We'll just have to watch it."

- Clinton Portis: The team's top tailback is headed to Pittsburgh again with a trainer for more concussions tests today and tomorrow; They'll return on Tuesday night. At that point, the Redskins will make a decision on his availability or possible placement on the injured reserve list. "We want to make sure we do the right thing for the team and for Clinton," Zorn said.

- Antwaan Randle El: The wideout had a "clavicle separatation," but Zorn said he's already "bouncing around" and shouldn't miss any time.

- DeAngelo Hall: The team's top cornerback remains questionable, with the team still waiting to see how his knee will respond. It doesn't sound like Zorn expects Hall to make his second "homecoming" of the season, this time to Oakland.

- And on the defensive line, Cornelius Griffin had his arthritic knee flare up, and Kedric Golston has a sore elbow. Zorn expected neither to miss time this week.

Zorn also gave his team Monday off, despite not coming off a victory (teams always have Tuesday off). He said he did it because of the tough slate of recent games and the long, cross-country road trip to Oakland coming up this weekend.

"So emotional," Zorn said. "With last week's game and this week's game, I just gave them a break."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

No one is excusing it for missing the field goal. What we are arguing is that it is stupid to use it as an excuse for losing the game, to blame Suisham as a scapegoat is ridiculous. That miss had nothing to do with the Saints erasing a 10 point deficit late in the first quarter. Suisham does not play defense. WTF? I mean I could enumerate the bad passes to wide open receivers, some within 10 yards, do you have any idea how short that is for a profesional QB or even a high school QB? Yep. you can nitpick at anything.

Posted by: hock1 | December 7, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

OK, I give up, I see this argument could last forever. You're right, Suisham's miss from 23 yards didn't cost us the game at all. (Heavy sarcasm)

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Suisham misses another one like that, then the guillotine and the trash compacter, but after yesterdays obnoxiousness, all personnel are relegated to full hippie mode and Ghandi Juice for the duration, amen..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

FIRE BLATCHE AND HIS CORNERBACK SCHEMES , WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT HE IS TELLING THE SAFETIES ABOUT THEIR POSITION..MOVE LANDRY TO STRONGSIDE AND DRAFT ANOTHER FREE SAETY IN THE LATER ROUNDS..

WE MUST DRAFT A DURABLE SWIFT RUNNING BACK, ROCK IS A SPECIAL TEAMS GUY.AND OF COURSE WE NEED A RIGHT TACKLE RIGHT GUARD, CENTER, AND A LEFT TACKLE.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | December 7, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

When a kicker misses a chip shot, he didn't do his job.

When a safety gets beaten on a double move, he didn't do his job.

When a quarterback throws an interception, he didn't do his job.

When a safety fumbles an interception, he didn't do his job.

When a fullback fumbles or misses a block, he didn't do his job.

When a defensive end jumps offsides, he didn't do his job.

When a left tackle moves before the snap, he didn't do his job.

When a punt returner muffs a punt, he didn't do his job.

I saw all of these things happen yesterday and they all contributed to the loss. The question is, why did they all happen. Well, when a head coach doesn't pay attention to detail in practice, he didn't do his job, either... instead of firing those guys, the coach should be shown the door. Of course, we have been asking for that all year long, and hopefully, at the end of the season, it will be answered.

For those who doubt me, ask yourself this question: did Marty Schottenheimer ever coach a game where his players made this many mistakes?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 7, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

I don't think anyone can blame Shaun for the 50-yard miss against Dallas (I certainly don't). A miss from that range is understandable because that is not an easy kick; however, Shaun missed a critical 39-yard kick before halftime, and while that is no chip shot, he HAS to make those especially in a low scoring game. Besides, Shaun made a 45-yarder earlier in the second quarter.

As for yesterday's mouth-gaping 23-yard miss, that was unacceptable. This was supposed to be Jason Campbell's game-winning drive. This was supposed to be Shaun's icing on the cake. This was supposed to be significant victory in an otherwise insignificant season.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 7, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Does not sound like Zorn will be bringing in a kicker to look at this week.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 12:40 PM

Problem with cutting Suisham is that we still have to pay his salary for the rest of the year since he was on the opening day roster. Maybe when New Orleans cuts the guy who kicked the winner in OT yesterday, Hartley, we should pick him up? Shoot, he even made a long one yesterday from 34 yards.

Posted by: League-Source | December 7, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I think that Mike Vanderjagt is still out there, then you would just have to find a kicker for kick offs.

Posted by: apearson54 | December 7, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey Rainier1
Do you have the number to your friends sister the one that gets paas around?

Posted by: richardgovea | December 7, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

OK, I give up, I see this argument could last forever. You're right, Suisham's miss from 23 yards didn't cost us the game at all. (Heavy sarcasm)

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 12:53 PM

Good move on your part. Your ability to acquire, analyze and apply reasoning is out of this world ( Heavy sarcasm)

Posted by: hock1 | December 7, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I must admit that 4 weeks ago I thought that this team needed an overhaul. We have been inconsistent over the last 10 years due to overspending, poor use of the draft and constant change.

I have changed my mind about where we go and here's why.

We are losing games with mostly a young, inexperienced team. Anyone who has been around here know we have been losing with high priced FA's or over the hill players.

Now, we have some young, hungry players that are proving they can contribute when called upon. As much as Cerrato have been criticized this season, we are getting solid contrubution from the draft class of 2008.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Just when I was losing faith on this blog, REDSKINHEAD post the most sensible remark. Thank you.

When a kicker misses a chip shot, he didn't do his job.

When a safety gets beaten on a double move, he didn't do his job.

When a quarterback throws an interception, he didn't do his job.

When a safety fumbles an interception, he didn't do his job.

When a fullback fumbles or misses a block, he didn't do his job.

When a defensive end jumps offsides, he didn't do his job.

When a left tackle moves before the snap, he didn't do his job.

When a punt returner muffs a punt, he didn't do his job.

I saw all of these things happen yesterday and they all contributed to the loss.

Posted by: hock1 | December 7, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Good move on your part. Your ability to acquire, analyze and apply reasoning is out of this world ( Heavy sarcasm)

Posted by: hock1 | December 7, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Like I said already, so no to drugs, hock. Get help man, it doesn't have to be like this for you...

Posted by: mattylight | December 7, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

He has missed kicks every year with the game on the line and has kicked off out of bounds as well. He is at best a below average kicker.

Posted by: wellscats | December 7, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

gixxer998,
Why do you still go to the games?

BOYCOTT $NYDER-FIRE CERRATO-STAY HOME WHERE IT'S WARM!

Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

You have to be careful and not have a knee jerk reaction here. We let David Akers go, remember?

Posted by: nuzuw | December 7, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Normally I think if the team has played at a level that the outcome of the game must rely on a 51 yard kick in the final 2 seconds I cut the kicker some slack. However a garden variety field goal missed is not defensible.

Posted by: moondog52 | December 7, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention the 30 yarder he missed vs Seattle in 2007 that gave momoentum right back to the seahaws in a critical playoff game. Has this guy ever made a clutch field goal. And frankly Id like to see a more of a reaction then "shucks"

Posted by: atrain1 | December 7, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

FIRED YERSELF AND PLEASE DONT COME TO THE GAMES ...EITHER YOU COME AND EXPERIENCE WHAT MR. SNYDER HAS TO OFFER OR DONT COME AT ALL. SIMPLE AS THAT YOU PEOPLE ARE WORST THAN HEMORROIDS!

Posted by: Incognito00
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You are a hemorroid.

Posted by: hessone | December 7, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Good teams find ways to win when the game is on the line, and bad teams find ways to lose. This is a BAD TEAM. This is a team that will continue to find ways to play opponents close, but ultimately lose every meaningful game it plays. I know this is not a landmark relevation, but until Skins mgmt accepts that the team they've put together is a BAD team, we've got no chance to improve in any significant way. Once this is accepted, then & only then can mgmt look at what needs to be done, and when. For example, JC17 is not a winner, and may never be--too many bad decisions, poor field vision, untimely turnovers, etc. But he is far from the worst problem on the Skins (OL). Priorities must be set and addressed over a couple of years; there is no quick fix. Top priority: a strong, smart GM, a Polian-type. I know, nothing new here, but I just had to vent. Thanks for your indulgence.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | December 7, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

What does it matter - not like a new kicker is going to change anything - Skins Suck!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 7, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

He's missed just three field goals this season, just three!! so before we send him packing think about this the defense let's Brees drive virtually the length of the field(80yds.) and score in less than 45 seconds! I would not cut him now i would let him play out the season why? because what difference is it going to make?

Posted by: dargregmag | December 7, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"SIMPLE AS THAT YOU PEOPLE ARE WORST THAN HEMORROIDS!"

We might be, as you say, literal pains in the butt, but we do have competition.

Kids.

Teenagers specifically.

In the guard gated community of over-valued about to be foreclosed upon homes where I live, gangs of middle class teenagers are going around ripping up christmas displays.

Now that's hateful.

That's a crime worthy of being sentenced to an Italian jail sentence.

I got so pissed, this past Saturday night, I laid out and waited for the crew of wanta be thugs who were going around tearing out xmas lights.

I shouted at them as they tore down my black Santa Claus and fled with his head up the street.

I thought I had them cornered until a kid executed this smooth double move and sprinted past me as I fell down in the street.

The kid turned, did a Dion Sanders' touchdown dance, and laughed as I got up off the road.

"I told you he'd fall for the double move," the kid told his friends.

"He does every year."

I am sorry to hear/read about those vandals, delinquets, you ought to report it to the proper authorities...Unless, as it seems to be neccessary nowadays you ought to protect yourself by any means necessary. Sorry to hear your property was vandalized. Those bastards!

Posted by: Incognito00 | December 7, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, why not keep him around? They've accepted mediocrity at other positions (see offensive line), so why not at kicker? Other players need to know that if you fail miserably at your job, they'll keep you around to pick up a paycheck! Hey, there's only a few games left and they're going nowhere. Why use the time to try out new players who might do a better job?

Posted by: goatdiddler | December 7, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Suisham Situation:to error is him. Did Campbell complete every pass? Did every
WR get himself open and catch every pass.
Did every linemen make every block so
that every runner scores on every running
play.Maybe we fail to realize that there
are many,many,many other situations that could have won the game without Suisham having to even kick the ball. I would say
that if a WR's job depended on getting open and making a catch or a linemans job depended on making a block to score the
winning TD that they might try a little
harder. And then we wouldn't have to KICK
FIELDGOALS.

Posted by: coachjbaker | December 7, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Now, we have some young, hungry players that are proving they can contribute when called upon. As much as Cerrato have been criticized this season, we are getting solid contrubution from the draft class of 2008.

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Respectfully, most fans are not saying the 2008 players themselves are bad (although god knows, Durant Brooks and Chad Rinehart were STUPID picks). The problem is that we drafted three receivers in round two when we had so many other needs. I'll even give you Davis and Thomas. Kelly's #51 pick could have been Ray Rice, Mike Pollak or Carl M.F. Nicks (who was also drafted after Rinehart).

Posted by: jksesq1 | December 7, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"It wasn't Suisham's fault that the Saints traveled 80 yards in only 33 seconds against Washington's defense to tie the score at 30-30, but Suisham missed kick, obviously, was huge."

33 seconds, huh? That would have put, what, 1:27 on the clock with no timeouts left and a 3 point lead?

Victory formation.

And actually, it was his fault. If he kicked the FG, the Saints would have driven 80 yards in 33 seconds to pull within 3 points of the Redskins at 33-30.

Game over.

Posted by: psps23
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Your assuming the Saints don't successfully pull off an onside kick. Now normally they don't work but with the luck the Skins had that game.. i wouldn't say game over...

Posted by: sovine08 | December 7, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Do we still torture?

Posted by: c_e_daniel | December 7, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

How about the 39-yd miss right before the half against Dallas? Or the choke-job against Seattle in the 2007 playoffs? And btw, all the other people you have mentioned have gotten a little bit of the blame as well...
Posted by: mattylight
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Hey not saying Suisham should get no blame.. just saying I don't hear people saying we should fire Campbell, Landry, Moore or Sellers for their mistakes.. why only Suisham. As far as the 39yr vs Dallas first he was 12 for 12 before that. Second just before it kicked it the play before was reviewed by the booth... it took forever (had to do with whether campbell stepped out of bounce before he threw the ball away and a penalty afterwards) it had to take 20 minutes to figure out.. all the while this poor guy was standing out there.. talk about freezing the kicker. So yeah he missed it by a foot. And then going back to 2007??? Hey I'm never against competition but to fire him this year with 4 games left is silly.. I'm more interested to see how he bounces back.

Posted by: sovine08 | December 7, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

They should have cut him after LAST season, when he was one of the worst kickers in the entire National conference...none of this is a surprise to me, if you consider his last two seasons here.

Posted by: vscorpio30 | December 7, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"The media piled on"??? Are you kidding me, you (Reid) get to pile on Snyderrato, but when King and Dungy call it as it is, you spew this nonsense of piling on!?

That's pathetic. PATHETIC!

Posted by: tony11 | December 7, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

STOP BLAMING SUISHAM for yesterday's loss. He did NOT lose the game. I repeat, Suisham did NOT lose the game.

The idiot who called for the FG lost the game is Coach Jim Zorn after the Redskins offense lollygagged on 4 runs for only 5 yards instead of TRYING to score a touchdown that could have padded the Redskins lead to 14 points instead of 10.

Zorn obvisiously did not pay attention the Saints already overcame three Redskins 10 points leads when he called for the failed FG. Did he really think the Skins would win when they blew the lead 3 times already? Please.

So guess what, Suisham misses. The Saints go marching down the field, socre a TOUCHDOWN (Get it Zorn, a TOUCHDOWN), kick extra point and a 4th tie.

The Saints go on to win with their FG in the OT.

STOP blaming Suisham for the obvious error by Zorn not go for the 4 yards TD that would have easily won the game.

Posted by: memyselfI1 | December 7, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Some posters here say "it wasn't Suisham's fault" and "stop blaming Suisham" - look, he's been a mediocre kicker since he's been here. He's always been real shaky from anywhere past 40 yards and forget about any 50+ yard field goals. Was this an area that needed improvement - you betcha - was it poorly addressed in the offseason - you betcha. Yes, there was a training camp competition for kicker, but the competitor was just as mediocre so it was a hollow competition. The fact that Suisham missed what should have amounted to an extra point - to SEAL the game - deflated the whole team. They played their guts out and all you had to do was kick a 23 yard 'gimme' field goal to ice the game. Zorn felt that was a given, because after all, that's what a professional field goal kicker in this league - at this level - should be able to do. Can you chide Zorn for not going for the touchdown - maybe, would that have iced the game - yes, but so would a field goal and why risk a possible turnover when this was such a chip shot? Well..... now we know. Suisham will play out the season on the 'Skins, but if he's here next year, well... at this point it really wouldn't surprise me because after all this is reall Vinnie's hand picked team and we all know how he addresses the obvious - let's go draft (or sign a free agent to a huge contract) some more wide receivers and defensive ends - what....you say we need O-Line, Safties (LaRon Landry half-a$$es everything), Cornerbacks (see Carlos "opps, was that my guy? - Rogers), linebackers (Blades is good but we need a solid starter), Running Back (Clinton 'drama queen' Portis), FG Kicker (nuff said), Backup QB (and maybe a starter depending on how they handle Jason), oh yeah...GM (REALLY REALLY BADLY) and probable new coaching staff (has anyone thought about giving the job to Bugel?) - geez, what a Christmas wish list - too bad it's under the stewardship of Vinnie 'The PUTZ' Cerrato.

Posted by: whelms | December 8, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"We played for that field goal," Zorn said.
That's the problem, next time play for a TD.
Losers from owner on down.

Posted by: jmy999 | December 8, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

But then yet there's an accountability there. We'll all end up being accountable for our season.
Bye Bye Zorn. Could you take vinny with you?

Posted by: jmy999 | December 8, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

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