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So Much Will Be on the Line...Again

The coaching staff is confident the offensive line's play will improve through reps. The unit has enough talent to improve on its shaky performance in pass protection last season, coaches and players say, it just needs time to come together.

After watching the unit in camp to this point, I definitely agree more time is needed to evaluate the situation. It would be silly to reach any conclusions about the line's potential after what we've seen so far.

And it's important to remember that the defensive front has been significantly upgraded with the arrival of all-pro defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth - widely considered the league's top defensive player last season - and impressive rookie end/linebacker Brian Orakpo. But what if the coaching staff is wrong?

The reality is an overhaul of the line should have occurred long ago. I teamed with my guy, Jason La Canfora, on an offseason story that focused on the age and injury concerns along the offensive line, and many league sources told us the Skins have addressed the situation poorly for too long.

Washington gave up 38 sacks last season - the league's fourth-highest total - and Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels and guard Randy Thomas are coming off surgery again. The Skins finally released longtime right tackle Jon Jansen and let guard Pete Kendall leave in free agency.

Third-year tackle Stephon Heyer was elevated to the top of the depth chart at right tackle and guard Derrick Dockery, a former Skins draft pick who spent the last two seasons with the Bills, was brought back to replace Kendall. Were those moves enough to improve a line whose performance was considered the biggest problem in an offense ranked 28th out of 32 teams?

We'll find out soon, but the early returns are not strong. The Skins averaged only 16.6 points last season, in large part, because the passing game wasn't productive enough to help the league's No. 4 overall offense.

Yeah, I know the defense made too few big plays. There were not enough sacks and turnovers, and the Greg Blache-led group often failed to get off the field late in games down the stretch. The Skins, however, missed the playoffs again last season because the offense did not carry its share of the load.

When it became clear owner Daniel Snyder would pay out big bonuses again in free agency, I figured the Skins would move to sign a proven guard and tackle to play alongside Samuels, Thomas and center Casey Rabach and add quality depth. They did act quickly to get Dockery, whom the Bills released in a cost-cutting move. Washington also attempted to acquire tackle/guard Ray Willis, who re-signed with the Seahawks.
Samuels, Thomas and Rabach are consummate professionals. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, especially at the outset of camp with Samuels and Thomas having worked hard in the offseason after their procedures. Dockery might not be the greatest guard in the game, but he's a proven NFL lineman and the Skins could have done worse.

As for Heyer, I've had coaches tell me they expect him to seize this opportunity. He had mixed results in his first two seasons in the league, but he's clearly the Skins' best option at right tackle. That does concern me.

The Skins are considering tackle/guard Jeremy Bridges for a reserve swing role. He has been used more at guard than tackle throughout his career, and he seems better suited to play inside.

For a writer, shrinking tackle Mike Williams is a great story. You have to root for a guy who is working so hard to overcome his weight problem and get his life back on track. From a football standpoint, however, I just wonder how much help he could provide this season while trying to regain his strength after losing close to 100 pounds (and counting) and having been out of the game so long. Judging from his performance in practice, Williams will not challenge Heyer anytime soon.

"He's got a good attitude," Coach Jim Zorn. "What I like about Mike is he hasn't let down. He's been dehydrated because of all the weight he's lost. We're getting fluids in him. We're getting his diet corrected so that he can get out here and perform and have a lot of energy. I think he's loving it."

Good for Williams. I'm just not sure the Skins have the depth they're probably going to need to have the type of season it could take for Zorn to return in 2010. Perhaps I'm wrong. Maybe the Skins have the right guys in camp and the line will be much better. A lot could be riding on it for Zorn.

By Jason Reid  |  August 2, 2009; 7:36 PM ET
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Just finished watching step brothers, the movie...

2nd Best Will Ferrel Movie. Ever....

I guess I can relate because I had a step-brother, though we weren't 40......

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 2, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Re: OLine

JReid, I think the best approach to take with the OLine is wait til the 1st preseason game in 11 days.....

Until then, as long as they are practicing against Rak, Daniels, and Haynes, they will lose.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 2, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

"I figured the Skins would move to sign a proven guard and tackle to play alongside Samuels, "

Ah, wasn't Dockery signed to the highest contract ever given to a gaurd not to make a pro bowl 2 years ago? Answer: Yes.

While MW345 is a good story to sell papers, I am not really rooting for the guy to take the starting position. Heyer has been here for 3 years, and I would be highly surprised a top 10 bust who has been out of the league for 2 years would take his spot. And I am sure Heyer is using all this MW345 feel good story to motivate the him.....

And that is the real story.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 2, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

For those of you at camp--how's Devin Clark doing? Chad Rinehart? D'Anthony Batiste? Take comfort in the recollection that sometimes some real stars appear out of nowhere, and that Joe Jacoby was a rookie free agent...ummm, a mere 28 years ago.

Posted by: boothintexas | August 2, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Any news about Rhinehart?

Posted by: isnadd | August 2, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

some cool WaPo pics from camp (from twitter beetches)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2009/07/30/GA2009073002027.html

Posted by: chrislarry | August 2, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Quick, someone call JReid a hater and someone else call him a pollyanna!

Posted by: freakzilla | August 2, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

JReid, as you've been doing since "The Takeover" -- another great analysis.

Sad though, some will hate that you're talking about the struggles of the O-line, others will think you're being too soft when giving your later opinions/analysis.

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Until then, as long as they are practicing against Rak, Daniels, and Haynes, they will lose.......

Posted by: 4thFloor

You know 4th, I just hope that Rak, Daniels, and Haynesworth are that damn good. But something tells me....

'08 'Skins offense = '09 'Skins offense

Not to sound too pessimistic, but I hope like hell I'm wrong.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 2, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

This is a politically correct way of of saying the O-Line looks horrible at this point in the pre-season. Good grief. Keep us posted. Cheers.

Posted by: MPNangle | August 2, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Dear RedDMV,

Pessimist,

Signed,

Heyer, MK12, and Dockery....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 2, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

redDmv

"'08 'Skins offense = '09 'Skins offense"

This looks like a bumper sticker found on one of them 'cash for clunker' cars.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 2, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

WaPo pics from camp
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2009/07/30/GA2009073002027.html

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I think the dialog in picture #3 went something like this:

Zorn: Hey Greg, let's talk about what we're gonna do on defense this year.

Blatche: What you talkin' about Willis?

Zorn: Seriously Greg, where are we going to play Orakpo?

Blatche: (extending arm) Jim, don't make me tell you this again...go work with the offensive line. Meeting over.

Posted by: isnadd | August 2, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I'd be way more worried if the Skins offense were marching up and down the field on the defense.

Again, the formula exists for an average offense making noise in the playoffs backed up by a rowdy D. More sacks and takeways equals more victories and perhaps a home playoff game.

Isn't that what every Skins fan wants?

Posted by: elfreako | August 2, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Training Camp Report, Aug. 2
Site Staff
WarpathInsiders.com
Aug 2, 2009
Here is our latest training camp report from Sunday, August 2nd. How is Devin
Thomas doing? What about supplemental draft pick Jeremy Jarmon? Who
threw a helmet? All this and more is right here!
Highs and lows from the fourth day:
...Maybe it was because of the rain during the first practice, but there were a
few dropped passes. Roydell Williams, who had impressed the coaches thus
far, had two. A handful were dropped during individual work on swing passes to
backs (Clinton Portis, Dominique Dorsey). And Dorsey later fumbled on one
run.
...Anthony Alridge looks quick around the end, but he had problems holding
onto handoffs in the afternoon work. Can’t do that and make the team.
...Receiver Keith Eloi is an interesting player, but he seems to let the ball get
too close into his body.
...Chris Wilson continues to do well against Mike Williams. Williams did have a
better day, but he also is not going up against the top ends. He’s admittedly
rusty, but how much of what we’re seeing is rust or simply who he is?
...Chris Samuels said rookie Brian Orakpo reminds him of DeMarcus Ware. He
loves Orakpo’s combination of strength and speed on rushes. Orakpo does not
look like a rookie. We’re guessing at some point he will, but that time hasn’t yet
come. At least not to the non-coaching eye.
...Rookie Jeremy Jarmon has flashed enough to warrant a long look. He tipped
one screen pass for an incompletion and he went around Williams during one
two-minute drill rush. And he lit up Williams again in the afternoon practice.

Posted by: TWISI | August 2, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

...The Redskins like Marques Hagans as a slot receiver. Doesn’t mean he’ll
make the team, but he’ll be one of the top guys vying for the fifth spot. He has
good speed.
...Orakpo played one snap at defensive tackle today, with Albert Haynesworth
to his right. Now that would be interesting. The versatility Washington has on
the line is impressive, with Phillip Daniels’ ability to move inside as well.
...The offense continues to look sloppy and far behind the defense.
...In the morning, Jim Zorn did his throw-the-bags-at-the-QB routine. Jason
Campbell got knocked down by one toss.
...Justin Tryon had excellent coverage on one pass to receiver Malcolm Kelly.
However, because of the way Kelly used his body, Tryon could not deflect the
pass.
...Devin Thomas dropped a deep ball from Jason Campbell on which he beat
double coverage. Can’t let that happen. But there’s no doubt about this: the
Redskins need Thomas’ explosion on offense.
...Thomas did make one nice grab, going up high vs. corner Byron Westbrook
to make a grab.
...The Redskins worked on the two-minute offense this morning. Bad day.
Neither the first nor second offense could even get inside the other 30-yard line.
...Colt Brennan has a knack for putting passes where only the receiver can get
it, even in tight areas. If he’s off a smidgen some of those balls would be picked.
So far, none have been.
...London Fletcher tipped a pass that Chris Horton intercepted in the two-minute
drill.
...Mike Sellers threw his helmet at Kedric Golston in the afternoon. A shoving
match led to Sellers trying to break up the fight. Apparently someone must have
shoved him so he threw his helmet and shouted, "I’m trying to break up a damn
fight!"

Posted by: TWISI | August 2, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Ayo 4th, I think MK12 will beast out this year. Heyer and Dock? Well, I'm not too sure.

Moe, what exactly is this 'cash for clunkers' nonsense? Does it only apply for those who have an '87 Crown Vick, or something like it?

"True Lies" is so underrated, watching it now on TNT... Tom Arnold was hilarious in that movie.

"What kind of sick b*t*h takes the ice cube trays outta the freezer?"

Posted by: RedDMV | August 2, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

There's no place for shoving and cursing in football.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 2, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

You know, all the "down talk" we've been hearing about the O-Line, it'll be nice for one of them (Heyer or Williams in particular) to fight one of the D-Linemen.

At least it will show they have a mean streak.

Sometimes rage or anger makes up for lack of skill in sports.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 2, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Red, Cash for Clunkers is the latest way the government has figured out to waste $3 billion of your money.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 2, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

The defense should be great, but Zorn's job may depend on the o-line, Jason Campbell and last year's draft selections (receivers) improving this year. I'm glad my job doesn't depend on them.

Posted by: DrWho2 | August 2, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Moe, what exactly is this 'cash for clunkers' nonsense? Does it only apply for those who have an '87 Crown Vick, or something like it?

Posted by: RedDMV | August 2, 2009 8:54 PM

As near as I can tell it's a $4500 government subsidy for a rich guy to trade in his 2004 Acura MDX for a new, fuel efficient Lexus.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 2, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Vinny the Bandito: Right tackles? We don't need no stinkin' right tackles...

The Mark of Zorno: Uh, Seniore Vinny? Who will block for Seniore Campbell?

Vinny the Bandito: Seniore Campbell? We don't need no blockers for Seniore Campbell. He eez in a contract year. He will find a way to survive.

The Mark of Zorno: But Seniore Vinny, how weel I survive another season?

Vinny the Bandito: Who says you need to survive, Zorno? El Presidente Shanahan is waiting...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 2, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

funny, my Ford stock is up about 250% since I bought it a few months ago and tomorrow they will announce their first monthly increase in sales in 2 years.

oh, and...the clunker program will reduce the amount of foreign oil required and reduce greenhouse emmissions.

it's probably one of the better uses of $2 billion that we've spent, since we wasted on a lot of other programs that didn't do jack.

Posted by: isnadd | August 2, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

In all seriousness, guys, if we can see this obvious weakness, then don't you think this is just driving the team nuts? They need to be out there looking for a trade. The Skins have a stable full of defensive ends. Surely one of the lesser ones could yield them an adequate offensive tackle. There are a stable full of wide receivers to use as a trade bait. Come on Vinny. It is not time to panic, it is time to act...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 2, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

so, question- when our first teams line up against each other, who are we supposed to root for? I was at practice Sat and when Moss, Cooley, etc made a nice catch I was like "Hurray! Our O looks awesome!"..then I thought..."oh no! our D looks awful!" Help?

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 2, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, what is this cash for clunkers program? Up until last weekend I thought it was the Vinny Cerrato recruiting strategy...

OK kidding. Thanks for the updates y'all.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | August 2, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

On the brighter side re the O-Line, every day they're going up against what may turn out to be the best D-line in the NFC. That's gotta make them better or smarter... or hammered.

Posted by: boothintexas | August 2, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes rage or anger makes up for lack of skill in sports.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 2, 2009 8:59 PM |

I think you have a point but you also have to control it too. Richie Incognito's "official rage" almost gave the Rams game back to the Skins last year after Kendrick had gift wrapped it for them.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | August 2, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

redDMV

"...what exactly is this 'cash for clunkers' nonsense? Does it only apply for those who have an '87 Crown Vick, or something like it?"

Got an even better question: why do all the state troopers drive Crown Vicks?

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 2, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"...it's probably one of the better uses of $2 billion that we've spent, since we wasted on a lot of other programs that didn't do jack."


Not to get too political, but the banking system is on the rebound and because the government has bought up a lot of bad mortgages or helped people modify loans, foreclosures have slowed and houses are starting to sell.

Most of the money in the stimulus bill hasn't even been released yet, so I'm wondering why folks think it was a waste.

Maybe it's all that time spent getting 'fair and balanced' news from the FUX News Channel.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 2, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Any news about Rhinehart?

Posted by: isnadd | August 2, 2009 7:56 PM |

Good question. There was a burst of praise for him from Bugel some time that was somewhat of a shock given he was so bad in 2008 that he never got on the field. Then nothing since then, even in training camp. Mebbe that is a good sign, mebbe not. So far all the OL talk has been negative but nothing specifically about him.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | August 2, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Re: Rhinehart. I read that he's been pretty bad.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 2, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

in his 2004 Acura MDX for a new, fuel efficient Lexus.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 2, 2009 9:02 PM

I think he would get more than $4500 if he had traded it in.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 2, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Most of the money in the stimulus bill hasn't even been released yet, so I'm wondering why folks think it was a waste.

Maybe it's all that time spent getting 'fair and balanced' news from the FUX News Channel.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 2, 2009 9:51 PM

Moe, have you been paying atention?

The banks are reprting profits because of one time cash infusions from the FedGov..

Obama promised the unemployment rate would max out @ 8%. We're approaching 10%.

There shoveling holes only to refill them. That's not a real stimulus.

Cash for Clunkers only helps upper-middle class. (Not to mention I only got $700 freakin dollars for my MoFo trade in last year! Argh! If I had known the future I would have held out! Argh!)

And the health care plan is about to go .... Nevermind...

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 2, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

It sounds like Rinehart Season 08 = Rinehart Preseason 09: inactive and a nonfactor.

Posted by: Alan4 | August 2, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I think he would get more than $4500 if he had traded it in.....


Posted by: 4thFloor | August 2, 2009 10:00 PM

The dealer would certainly give him more than that. The $4500 from the government is ON TOP of what the dealer will give him. Isnadd likes this program because isnadd is a rich guy who wants a new Lexus. Won't do much for you, me and RedDMV.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 2, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Red, Cash for Clunkers is the latest way the government has figured out to waste $3 billion of your money.

Posted by: freakzilla

Shut up. Camp has started, keep it to football or you're going to the woodshed

Posted by: TheCork | August 2, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

As near as I can tell it's a $4500 government subsidy for a rich guy to trade in his 2004 Acura MDX for a new, fuel efficient Lexus.

Posted by: talent_evaluator |

You too. That's ht stupidest analysis I've seen written about it.

Posted by: TheCork | August 2, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Cash for Clunkers only helps upper-middle class. (Not to mention I only got $700 freakin dollars for my MoFo trade in last year! Argh! If I had known the future I would have held out! Argh!)...

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 2, 2009 10:07 PM

How so? I don't know too many upper middle class people who drive old gas guzzlers or cars whose trade-in value is less than $4500.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 2, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

"Isnadd likes this program because isnadd is a rich guy who wants a new Lexus. Won't do much for you, me and RedDMV."

Wow just wow on that statement. With this post you have made an azz out of u and the rest of us.

TE you should enact a 60 seconds rule where you type, wait, reread and then reconsider. I actually did it earlier today and in hindsight am glad I didn't posy my immediate comment.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 2, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama promised the unemployment rate would max out @ 8%. We're approaching 10%.


And the health care plan is about to go .... Nevermind...

Posted by: 4thFloor |

Look you right wing jackazzes, eight years of disaster from your right wing but boys put us in this mess...

When Clinton left office their was a budget surplus,.

When Bush left there was a trillion or so or more deficit, plus two wars being lost, plus hatred for America around the world.

And in case you haven't noticed, it's turning around Check the stock market.

Now you Righties--when not claiming he was born overseas--won't give Obama more than six months to fix the mess the GOP gave us?

Shut up, sit down and let an adult try to keep the Ship of State from further foundering on the shoales.

The Far Right wouldnt' know fair play if it bit them where they sit.

Posted by: TheCork | August 2, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

TE, you are aware that the dealer cannot re-sell a vehicle that qualifies for the $4500, right?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 2, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

You guys also understand the $4,500 is in place of your trade in value - that means only horrid old inefficient cars will qualify. Heck, mine probably would have if someone hadn't made a left from the right lane in front of me, causing my insurance company to give me 2k more than that.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | August 2, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Depends what your definintion is from mine....Most people get pushed into the Upper Middle w/o even knowing it....

In analyzing the cash for clunkers deal over the past 4 days, I have come to realize it's just a hustle....

1st, they were willing to 'throw' a cool billion/240,000 Clunkers in for Detriot. The Congress was doing this as a favor, but did not do the calculations as to how long it would last. Now, do to the supposed 'sucess' of the program, the Feds have to scramble to give the program an extra $2 Billion to keep it going.

Where did this extra money come from you say? They stole it from the stimulus package that was dedicated to energy. So they now claim they will replace that at a later date. But the thing is, this money will be gone by the 1st preseason game at the latest.

And the difference in mileage won't make a big difference (plus/minus 5/6 miles). And, the administrative cost for the 1st billion was $50Mil.....

In conclusion, the people who were just waiting to buy cars will all buy them in this 3rd QTR 2009 instead of over the next 2 years or so. Numbers will look good (because of this and Bank Stimulus/cash infusion) which wil result in economic numbers (GDP/Goods Sold) to go up and everyone will think we are out of the recession. Only to have a bad 2010 because of all these cash infusion games played in 2009....

I am just waiting for my direct stimulus payment. I think the Govmnt can afford $10,000 per household.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 2, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

TE you should enact a 60 seconds rule where you type, wait, reread and then reconsider. I actually did it earlier today and in hindsight am glad I didn't posy my immediate comment.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 2, 2009 10:18 PM |

That's a cool rule. If nothing more it should eliminate typos. But it should also alert you to words and ideas that have been left out as well.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | August 2, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

The election's over, and Obama won. Bush's incompetence bought Obama a lot of leeway and goodwill. Get over it. The preseason is starting... time to talk fubball!

Posted by: Alan4 | August 2, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

lol at Corky. You don't like me one bit, huh?

Don't confuse me with the other Right Winged people. I am more in the center. When you're in the center, you get bashed left and right........

How did someone'sbirth certificate come up? And why would people question it? I am sure he had to show it to someone to even apply for President. Like your 1st day at the job (I-9). SSN and Driver's License is needed, or a birth certificate....

I never knew Bill Maher was a Redskin Fan/blogger....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 2, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

It's actually quite interesting that the burden of proof on citizenship for elected office is not particularly strong or well-enforced.
Mr. McCain actually had the more questionable "natural born" citizenship qualification, as he was born in the Panama canal zone while his father was stationed there.
But I don't think either of them will help at RT. But putting the carcass of a '79 Impala on the hash mark might slow someone down.

Posted by: daggar | August 2, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

4thfloor

"...Moe, have you been paying attention?"

Yes, I have.

That's how I know most of the stimulus money hasn't even been released. It's being released in dribs and drabs on purpose.

And what money that has been released has been gobbled up by states who've used it to maintain their budgets. States have decided to keep cops on the streets and teachers in the classroom with their share of Obamamoney.

The notorious 'shovel ready' programs are fiction: nobody is '..fillin' holes with dirt...' no matter how much Sean Hannity claims they are.

But ask a GM or Ford autoworker if he's glad he has to job to go to today before you get all snarky about 'government takeovers'.

Yes the unemployment rate has gone up. The mistake Obama made was not telling folks that this would be a jobless recovery.

The other mistake he has made is not reminding all the right-wing whiners that they had 8 years to fix what ails America.

And that he's sorry they can't wait more than 6 months to see the outcome of his efforts.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 2, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow, a guy uses the throw-away phrase 'cash-for-clunkers' in a post and it generates a ton of chatta.....

....but tomorrow, it's all football all day.

I'm out.

HTTR!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 2, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know if Runyon has anything left?

For the right price, he would make a great stop gap for a season or so until we get our act together on rebuilding the O-line.

If our D steps up like it should, fixing the RT dilemma now may be the only big obstacle holding us back.

Posted by: edvar | August 2, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Alchol filled night...

Just F'in wit ya Moe to stir convo up.....

The only one I seem to rile up real good consistenly is Bill Maher, I mean Cork....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 2, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I hear all that and I think jreids criticism is fair, but who are these olinemen you want us to go out and get? I want names too. What were the free agent missed opportunities beyond the guy from Seattle?if I'm not mistaken, Levi jones is still on the street, which says something about what people think of him. Wish we had more draft picks to use on the line this year, but let's not rehash the Jason Taylor debacle.

But I think we were kind of handcuffed this offseason (granted, we put ourselves in that position) with upgrading the line, so that better be next years draft.

I actually thought Heyer looked decent this morning. It was the right side of the dline that was putting on the real clinic.

Posted by: AdamCr | August 2, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow Moe, you've been drinking that left wing koolaid. The stimulus money isn't being released in dibs and drabs on purpose, it's controlled by the gov't so it can't be released any other way.

There's no shovel ready programs? You're on crack, their everywhere around where I live.

A jobless recovery ain't a recovery. Wall Street, the banks, and GM are getting all the money. These are the same companies that helped put us where we are right now. Housing was the biggest culprit and that problem didn't start in the last 8 years. It started with...wait for it... Bill Clintons policies to get low income people into housing. Hence the SUBPRIME predatory lending. People with money and decent credit didn't need subprime loans.

But yours is the only cry of the leftwinger...it's their fault not ours.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 2, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

G'ints D line is at least comparable. Iggles D line will be bringing it as well.

Hope you are right about Heyer. We might be betting our season on him...

I would feel better knowing (who wouldn't). But my Q remains - what's the status on Runyon, anybody know?

To me, he looked spent at the end of the year, but I understand he's had some surgery...

Posted by: edvar | August 2, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and where I live teachers are being canned along with cops left and right.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Obama is a complete moron. He's got some good stuff going, but he lied. He fed us all this crap about how we'll never see our taxes (middle class and that's what I am) go up on dime. He also said that are health care would not be taxed. Well... now he's singing a different tune. And if he didn't know that all along then he is a moron. Any blind man could see that much cpending necessitates a raise in ALL taxes.

Oh, and I'm not a right winger either, they're just as nutty as the left. I'm an American, and makes me a little bit of both. I can just tell when someone is feeding the masses what they want to hear to get what they want and Obama did just that.

This mess isn't the mess of just the last 8 years, it goes far bneyond that. It's America's creation not just an admininstration, and it's going to take a lot more than just an administration to fix it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 3, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

F politics, they make me so damn mad!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 3, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Runyan is old, broken down and unsigned. Maybe worth a look but I'm not sure how he'd be an upgrade as a starter. Probably more of a distraction on a line that needs reps together. I don't think you bring anyone in at this point unless they're clearly superior and unfortunately I don't see a ton of that caliber player looking for work at this point.

Posted by: AdamCr | August 3, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Man, JReid, you're good. I'm liking the switch.

Posted by: WorstSeat | August 3, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Probably right, but if Williams tanks, we've got NO depth at RT. That's bad.

I would see Runyon as more of a veteran presence and a reliable back up. I'm not sure he'd last the whole season as a starter, but I wouldn't mind him whispering into Heyer's ear every once and a while...

Posted by: edvar | August 3, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Well if Williams tanks you're relying on bridges who is an unknown, but has looked decent in camp. Runyan probably wouldn't be horrible but if we wanted him we shouldve just kept Jansen and I agree with the decision to let him walk. Although Williams is having problems, he seems to be improving as he gets used to being back on the field so we'll just have to see as camp goes along.

Posted by: AdamCr | August 3, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

I guess we'll have to see how this all plays out. Psyched about the D.

Posted by: edvar | August 3, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

What good will it be when the clunkers are off the roads, and those new hybrids are repossessed because the people who traded for them only did it for the "cash" but can't afford the payments?

Posted by: Xlnt | August 3, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Gosh, our good players (defense) are beating our bad players (offense). What are we to do?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | August 3, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I thought Cash for Clunkers was the Redskins program for signing veteran free agents. You mean to tell me its got something to do with cars?

Surely, you jest.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | August 3, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Can we get an Insider reporter that has played organized football at any level? NFL, College, High School, at this point I'll even go for Paup Warner.

You're going to write off the season based off of 4 practices in training camp? Buges says Heyer can play, the man has coached longer than you've been alive, but their assessment "Concerns you"? Who the f*** are you? I'm quite sure they or any other coaching staff in the league mind you, keeps you on their speed dial when assessing talent.

Just tweet what you see, or report what the players say, leave the coaching decisions to the people who know what the he11 they're doing. You know the folks who are paid by NFL franchises to ahhh, coach. When they need help with sentence structure, grammar, or tone, I'm quite sure someone will contact you.

Posted by: clark202 | August 3, 2009 1:44 AM | Report abuse

harsh Clarke, harsh.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | August 3, 2009 1:48 AM | Report abuse

The way I see it is the mayor is only writing what we're all thinking.

I'm very optimistic about this team, but there are some questions marks about the starting OL and the depth there and in other places.

Also, I've got some concerns on special teams. Remember Leigh Torrence is gone now, the team is still reeling from the loss.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | August 3, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

I guess we'll have to see how this all plays out. Psyched about the D.

Posted by: edvar
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I'm totally psyched about the D too, no doubt... But they'll be as useless as a toothless hound if they're left on the field by a poor offense (resulting primarily from a poor O-line) 60%-65% of the time, instead of having the opposite ratio.

C'mon Buges, work a miracle for us!

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 3, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Stumped, I get so pissed at reporters who have no idea of what their looking at during training camp. Then come off as though they know what their talking about. If Reid played football even on the high school level he would know that there's nothing going on right know that can be a predictor of how the season is going to pan out. Players, even the veterans are getting back into their technique. Linemen are getting the used to their split assignments which in itself changes your entire technique if its different than last years'. And Zorn said that he's introduced some of those things this year. It just drives me nuts when I read stuff like that, sorry to come off gruff man, but it just irks me.

Posted by: clark202 | August 3, 2009 1:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm the eternal optimist when it comes to the Skins. I just think the OL is going to me much better than last year.

I believe in Heyer, Dockett and Buges and if this OL does reasonably well we have a good shot at the playoffs. But an injury or two will change things entirely. What we don't have yet is enough depth for me to be really confident.


Posted by: _Stumped_ | August 3, 2009 2:48 AM | Report abuse

C'mon, fellas!

We're REDSKINS fans, for cryin' out loud!

Can't we at LEAST play along with the optimism during training camp?!

I mean, if we don't have the glorious delusions of grandeur during the off-season, what DO we have?!

Let's not RUIN this time of year with all this "reality" and "common sense."

There will be plenty of negative things to harp on during the season, so why get an early jump?

Posted by: ByeByeReaganomics | August 3, 2009 5:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm thinking Heyer and Dockery are gonna be like the next May and Jacoby.

That's what I'm smellin'

Posted by: ByeByeReaganomics | August 3, 2009 5:07 AM | Report abuse

Just finished watching step brothers, the movie...

2nd Best Will Ferrel Movie. Ever....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 2, 2009 7:42 PM


Not sure what you have ranked 1st, but it is one of Ferrell's best. I lost any hope at Father of the Year because I let my 2 1/2 year old watch the movie with me and now she won't stop asking to see it again.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 3, 2009 5:40 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 3, 2009 6:32 AM | Report abuse

"Obama promised the unemployment rate would max out @ 8%. We're approaching 10%."

No, he didn't.

"Cash for Clunkers only helps upper-middle class."

You gotta tell that to my neighbor, who makes 30k a year working in sanitation and has a new pick-up from the program.

Typical right-wing nut job who learned the spin moves from Karl Rove. Take a hike, and let the big boys do the heavy lifting.

Posted by: donspecht | August 3, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

"The dealer would certainly give him more than that. The $4500 from the government is ON TOP of what the dealer will give him. Isnadd likes this program because isnadd is a rich guy who wants a new Lexus. Won't do much for you, me and RedDMV.Posted by: talent_evaluator"

That's not the way I read it -- in fact it looks like a good deal for a much wider range of purchasers, assuming they want new cars, which is a big assumption. Few worse dollar-for-dollar values than a brand new car.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 3, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

"Bill Clintons policies to get low income people into housing. Hence the SUBPRIME predatory lending. People with money and decent credit didn't need subprime loans.
But yours is the only cry of the leftwinger...it's their fault not ours.
Posted by: scampbell1975"

The large majority of folks who defaulted on subprime loans didn't get their loan through low-income programs.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 3, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

stumped: "I'm the eternal optimist when it comes to the Skins. I just think the OL is going to me much better than last year."

A couple thoughts about the offensive line:

1) there's evidence that most of the Skins running yardage last year (they finished 5th in the NFC, 8th league-wide) stemmed from superior blocking. That's in part demonstrated by the paucity of runs longer than 10 yards. Their long run last season was only 31 yards, worst in the NFC.

2) The Skins were better at running for 1st downs than TDs. That suggests that the line's blocking was solid but that the team couldn't mount a viable passing threat close to the goal line, so defenses were able to stack against the run.

Thing is, folks IMO attribute to young high-draft pick linemen, a skill level greater than they possess. If they'd spent the draft choices on guards and tackles, would the Skins be a better team than they are now? Younger, perhaps -- but better prepared going into this season?

Posted by: Samson151 | August 3, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

scampbell: "Oh, and I'm not a right winger either..."

Sure you are. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Posted by: Samson151 | August 3, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

scampbell 1975 wrote:
Wow Moe, you've been drinking that left wing koolaid. The stimulus money isn't being released in dibs and drabs on purpose, it's controlled by the gov't so it can't be released any other way.

There's no shovel ready programs? You're on crack, their everywhere around where I live.

A jobless recovery ain't a recovery. Wall Street, the banks, and GM are getting all the money. These are the same companies that helped put us where we are right now. Housing was the biggest culprit and that problem didn't start in the last 8 years. It started with...wait for it... Bill Clintons policies to get low income people into housing. Hence the SUBPRIME predatory lending. People with money and decent credit didn't need subprime loans.

But yours is the only cry of the leftwinger...it's their fault not ours.

___________________________________________

Remember Clinton left office and left the clowns, Bush and Cheney, with money in the bank. They decided to spend the money attacking Iraq while Osama was shooting videos on the Pakistani border. It is also funny how the only time you right wingers scream about deficits is when the other party. Ronald Reagan, the saint for right wingers, enlarged the deficit larger than any president before him. Dick Cheney stated in 2004, "deficits don't matter", and not a single right winger challenged him on this statement. Right wing hypocracy is what has their approval numbers in the low 20's, the jig is up and the public has caught on to the hypocracy of you nit wits.

Posted by: impartial1 | August 3, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

But yours is the only cry of the leftwinger...it's their fault not ours.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 2, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

This cracks me up because this is exactly what right wingers did during the first couple of years of Bush's presidency. All they did was blame everything wrong with America on Clinton. So sorry, not the cry of the left wingers.

Posted by: CDon | August 3, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and CLARK202, you ripped JReid a new one, but did you read this: "After watching the unit in camp to this point, I definitely agree more time is needed to evaluate the situation. It would be silly to reach any conclusions about the line's potential after what we've seen so far."

He wrote that right at the top. All he did afterward was write some reasoned analysis that was critical at times, but also tempered with realism about the amount of time they've been practicing. So don't jump all over him yet.

Posted by: CDon | August 3, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Isn't pass protection slightly less important in a West Coast offense? It's also slightly less important when you have a QB with decent scrambling ability.

Better yet, just go play football. Tons of teams lose OLinemen for the season and make it work. For us it's as if we already lost a player.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | August 3, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Yes, but there is nothing that prohibits any usable parts (glass, body, bumpers, chrome, etc., which are often MORE valuable on the secondary market once parted out as a lot of these items get discontinued.) from the "clunkers" being re-sold...only the complete, non-environmentally friendly cars...so it's not like an industrious dealer couldn't work a deal with an automotive recycler (a.k.a. junkyard) and at least defray the cost of any time spent.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | August 3, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will finish with a 4-12 record.

Too bad, Danny Snyder.

Maryland football will finish with a 2-10 record.

Maryland basketball will finish with a 15-16 record

No NCAA bid

No NIT bid

Carolina Blue - Carolina WHITE - Go Tar Heels - Let's go Tar Heels !

Posted by: hclark1 | August 3, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will finish with a 4-12 record.

Too bad, Danny Snyder.

Maryland football will finish with a 2-10 record.

Maryland basketball will finish with a 15-16 record

No NCAA bid

No NIT bid

Carolina Blue - Carolina WHITE - Go Tar Heels - Let's go Tar Heels !

Posted by: hclark1

Every day...EVERY freakin' day! Find something else to post. Better still, find somewhere else to post it. I hear the Bengals are looking for fans....

Posted by: tripz | August 3, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

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