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Blache Says DBs Can Play Closer

One of the big topics of discussion after Week 1 was the play of the secondary against the New York Giants and, specifically, whether the Redskins' cornerbacks provided too much of a cushion on some plays.

Coach Jim Zorn thought so and said he would prefer defensive backs to play closer to wide receivers during Sunday's FedEx Field home opener against the St. Louis Rams. What was defensive coordinator Greg Blache's take on that?

"They can play a little bit tighter on the receivers," said Blache, adding that better execution and strategy could lead to improved play, too, in the secondary.

Sounds like a plan.

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Jason Reid is up with a chat at 11 a.m. Hit him with some questions, willya? ... Mike Wise writes today about the lawsuit concerning the Redskins' nickname. If you haven't read it, you should. Did you know that some newspapers don't refer to the Redskins' nickname (Seattle and Kansas City, to name two.) ...

Did Albert Haynesworth impress or disappoint you in his Redskins debut Sunday? While he plans to let his do the talking this week, everyone else was addressing the topic, Rick Maese writes. ...

And, of course, don't forget to go pick against Wilbon. You'll feel better if you do and you may even win some highly valuable Post Points. Just ask Beantown Greg about those.-- Cindy Boren

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There's no way around it: the next two seasons already are looming large because of labor issues. Mark Maske has an update today on the StarCaps case, which is extremely significant:

The NFL might consider giving control of its steroid-testing program to an outside agency if it determines that it cannot continue to run the program effectively in cooperation with the players' union, a top league official said Thursday. Such a move would represent a significant shift in policy for a league that has administered its testing policy in conjunction with the union for two decades.

-- CB

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Comments

1st? Now what?

Posted by: boothintexas | September 18, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

wait for everyone else to arrive

Posted by: skinball77 | September 18, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

JReid, you didn't put Blache's quote in the correct context. The video of his answer was telling in that, once he heard the question, he smiled as though part of a private joke. He seemed to secretly be guarding his contempt for Zorn's comment about the DBs playing soft, which Gray also disagreed with. Blache will tow the company line when he has to.He'll avoid calling out an idiot head coach that doesn't know defensive strategy to save his life. But don't think for even a second that Blache was sincere in that statement. To me, Blache's reaction was the bigger statement.

Posted by: pgugino | September 18, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Well GOOD then!

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Seriosuly though can we PLEASE make it loud this Sunday at the Fed? Make it loud early make it loud often and give our guys some homefield advantage!??!??!??

Posted by: skinball77 | September 18, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Tomorrow's Post Sports Section Headline:

"Redskin Insider's Beg Fans To Make Noise"

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 18, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I think Blache needs to play a more attacking defense on both the front line and the secondary. It seems to be a very much hold the line kind of process instead of attack.

Posted by: funbot | September 18, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I'll be mid (club) level, which is actually pretty far from the action. However, my seat is above the players tunnel. So, if they stink it up I plan on drizzling them with a mixture of condiments and whatnot.

Posted by: pgugino | September 18, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Hungry?

9/13 @ Giants L 17 - 23
9/20 VS Rams
9/27 @ Lions
10/4 VS Buccaneers
10/11 @ Panthers
10/18 VS Chiefs
10/26 VS Eagles

The next segment of the schedule looks like a sandwich where the jints and iggles are bread holding in some very soft meat.

What'll tell us if the skins are a playoff worthy team is if they soundly beat the teams in the middle.

Close games against lions, bucs, chiefs, and panthas would mean the redskins are no better than they were last year.

And who's hungry for another season of that?

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 18, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Love the team, became a fan as an 11 or 12 year old -- 25-plus years ago. The name should be changed. Despite how I pull for the team and want them to win another Super Bowl, love the legacy of Gibbs and want Zorn and Snyder and the team to be successful, I think the name should be changed. The historical legacy of the connotation of the team name is fairly shameful. I won't suggest an alternate name -- I think just making the point that the name should be changed is contribution enough.

Posted by: Bx2Bmore | September 18, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

The spirit of the crowd already won't be a factor when you're pleading for crowd noise.

An energized crowd is a given for the home team, it should not be requested for fans to be rowdy.

I think it just simply comes down to deep down the fans at the stadium, the fans at home, really don't 100% with all their faith believe in this team.

Maybe 4thFloor (Who is a droolin' bama, btw)

Yeah, they'll win some games, but many fans, logical fans don't see this team contending for a super bowl in the near future.

I can't tell you when I thought the Redskins could legitimately contend for a super bowl recently.

Even the deepest run I've seen them make --'99 playoff loss to Tampa -- I still thought they weren't getting past the Rams.

Fans aren't dumb, it's that old "polish a turd and calling it gold" theory. Don't matter how much, how how little, media hype the 'skins generate, no matter who they draft or sign, no matter what players predict a super bowl or a big statistical season, no matter how much a coach says that he's learned from one year to the next, the fact of the matter is that results matter.

Put together a double digit win season, say 11-5, and watch how hyped FedEx will get. Do that, and watch how man fans will 100% genuinely believe in this team once again.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Gosh darnit!!!!

"Coach Jim Zorn...said he would prefer defensive backs to play closer to wide receivers during Sunday's FedEx Field home opener against the St. Louis Rams."

That's why he should be a head coach and not a head coach who's also calling plays.

If his mind is on managing the team, he can speak on this mid-game.

If his mind is on calling plays or yelling at Campbell, he can't speak on this until after the game.

And who wants to hear it then?

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 18, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I think the stage is set for one of those blowout Redskin wins over a terrible team, the kind of blowout win that completely warps our expectations for the rest of the season and sets us up for the hard fall. Like these...

Oct 7, 2007: DET 3 & WAS 34 (three weeks later we got crushed 52-7 by the Pats)

Oct 23, 2005: SF 17 @ WAS 52 (the following week we got blanked 36-0 by the Gints)

Of course, those were both playoff seasons, so maybe that's a good thing.

Hail to 'em...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Blache Says DBs Can Play Closer

By Jason Reid | September 18, 2009; 9:30 AM ET

Can he also say that they can tackle too, because I would really like him to give them permission to do that!?!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 18, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"Love the team, became a fan as an 11 or 12 year old -- 25-plus years ago. The name should be changed. Despite how I pull for the team and want them to win another Super Bowl, love the legacy of Gibbs and want Zorn and Snyder and the team to be successful, I think the name should be changed. The historical legacy of the connotation of the team name is fairly shameful. I won't suggest an alternate name -- I think just making the point that the name should be changed is contribution enough."

Bx2Bmore, I couldn't agree more about the shameful legacy you mention, but I'll go you one better with a suggestion that removes the shameful part: "Landover Redskins"

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Red, I was trying to say all that with my "headline" comment - thanks for filling in the blanks for me.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 18, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I think the stage is set for one of those blowout Redskin wins over a terrible team, the kind of blowout win that completely warps our expectations for the rest of the season and sets us up for the hard fall. Like these...

Oct 7, 2007: DET 3 & WAS 34 (three weeks later we got crushed 52-7 by the Pats)

Oct 23, 2005: SF 17 @ WAS 52 (the following week we got blanked 36-0 by the Gints)

Of course, those were both playoff seasons, so maybe that's a good thing.

Hail to 'em...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 9:57 AM

Nate,

Do you honestly feel there is any way that the skins will win this one? Seriously, be honest.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 18, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm kidding, of course, Bx2Bmore. I wholeheartedly agree with you; I think the nickname "Redskins" is a disgrace, an utterly embarrassing anachronism that should not have persisted this long -- as much as I love rooting for this team -- and I want it to be changed. But it's going to take a legal decision to make it happen, and that seems unlikely.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

The nickname is less of a problem then the front office and ownership.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 18, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Plus, Dan Snyder has said that if he has to change the nickname, it will be the Washington Warriors... not to be confused with Hawaii or Golden State... LOL

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 18, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

While I may somewhat agree with a name change:

Changing Washington football team's name = Power Ranking

I just don't think it'll ever happen, so why continue to have this as an issue every other year?

It's like giving reparations to African-Americans.

Not. Ever. Gonna. Happen.

Not to say that it doesn't matter, if it offends a good majority of Native Americans then it needs to be changed.

That's what they should do, go into the great and northern plains and take a poll on their opinions of the term: Redskins.

If they're straight with it, then I'm straight with it. But don't tell them that they're (the Washington football team honoring them, when they're saying otherwise.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse


Do you honestly feel there is any way that the skins will win this one? Seriously, be honest.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 18, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

What exactly do you see in the Rams that makes you think the skins have no shot?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 18, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

You're right, Sports Guru, deep in my heart of hearts I know there is literally no way that the Skins will win the game this Sunday. Seriously. Honest.

It's only a level of delusion particular to the truly mad that keeps me going. That and the memory of glories past comprise my meager sustenance as a fan of this team.

Hail to YOU, Sports Guru, for helping me acknowledge this.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Not a problem, my friend. Unfortunately, I don't see us winning until Week 5. I predict an 0-4 start.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 18, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

There are high scool teams all across this country and in Canada who use the name Redskins.

It's not going anywhere.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 18, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

school* too

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 18, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

There are high scool teams all across this country and in Canada who use the name Redskins.

It's not going anywhere.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 18, 2009 10:12 AM

That's what you say, MrWarrior21.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 18, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

0-4 start? That's weak, I can do better than that. I say we go 0-17 this year.

Posted by: TotallyTacos | September 18, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"The nickname is less of a problem then the front office and ownership."

Hold up, is someone vying for the title of Captain Obvious up here? I never meant to imply that I care more about the nickname than I do about the results on the field, or the front office and ownership which I think have inhibited getting the best results possible on the field.

I just wanted to tip my hat to Bx2Bmore in solidarity on the nickname deal. The nickname is an ongoing concern for me as a fan, but it's not top of mind when we have so much actual footbally stuff to be worried about.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

And if they are high "scool" teams, are they even legitimate places of learning?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 18, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

There are high scool teams all across this country and in Canada who use the name Redskins.

It's not going anywhere.

Posted by: MrRedskin21


Names and cities of schools, please.

I'd look it up myself, but you're making the claim, just sayin'...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

How did we ever get stuck with a coward as a DefCoord? Wake me when the nightmare is over.

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

For what it's worth - two are Loudon High in Virginia and Wichita North in Kansas.

And, The Red Cloud Indian School in South Dakota.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 18, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

And Sports Guru, to put a finer point on it, you expect an 0-4 start (or worse) because you have no faith in Jason Campbell, and you both hope for and expect his failure, because you believe the team will be better served by jettisoning Campbell and playing someone else -- anyone else, at quarterback -- and a long winless streak will both prove you right and hasten a change at QB. Do I have this more or less correct?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

might be a little strongly worded when describing Blache, however I do think he needs to send the house this weekend, and not be so darn predictable about it. Blitz, Blitz, and blitz some more, run twists, stunts, don't just line up 4 guys, and do nothing.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 18, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I'll give you two with no effort: Anderson Redskins (high school team in Ohio), and check out their unis - their native american image is weak).

http://www.maxpreps.com/photo/gallery.aspx?imageid=1387839a-64bd-4d7f-b641-0f82385d4f88&photogalleryid=1e6f5f8a-02c2-42a9-835a-80bea6dfedef#imageid=21bfca64-3bd1-4d7e-8d96-1cba965ad23d


And Loudon Redskins (no, not VA, TN).

http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/Hxsjlcowh0ev1p3odtmyKA/loudon-redskins/football/fan_photos.htm#imageid=da2d9134-d391-de11-8e13-001cc494dda6

I could keep going, but the name doesn't bother me much, so I'll let you take it from here.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 18, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Coward, Megskin? I've never gotten the impression that Blache is a coward.

Do you mean in the way he asks his guys to play, or in the way he deals with Zorn (as far as we know about or can guess at those internal dynamics), or something else?

Awfully nice to see a Megskin post up here :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I've been seeing this issue a lot lately. Everyone just assumes that the name Redskins is offensive. A Smithsonian Institute linguist Emeritist Ives Goddard found that the Native Americans themselves invented the term so it wasn't orignally a pejorative term. Now it pretty much just refers to the football team. This means that somewhere in betweeen it had to have been used pejoratively but nobody can really provide any examples except for a clip from an old John Wayne movie. What's even more interesting is that Sports Illustrated and the University of Pennsylvania both did surveys and found that the overwhelming majority of Native Americans are not offended by the term Redskin. Racism needs to imply some sense of superiority of ones own race or else it is just a descriptor like tall, short, white or black. If the average person is asked what a Redskin is they'll say a middle aged overpaid football player from Washington D.C.. The only one offended by us referring to Native Americans as Redskins is Suzan Harjo. She claims that the term got its start from traders selling the Skins of Native Americans at the trading post and therefore it was a disparaging term due to it referencing murdered Native Americans. This has been shown to be false. So I ask again why is it a racist term when it doesn't meet the definition of the term racist? Why is it offensive when it has been shown that Native Americans are not offended by it?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 18, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I have nothing to contribute to this discussion.

...other than to say, if we lose to the Rams, we officially become the Deadskins.

Here's to a little bump and run (not to be confused with bump and grind.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Red,

Native Americans are in every nook and cranny of this country, not just "the great and northern plains".

Megskin,

Not up to your usual standards of "sauciness".

"Gosh darnit!!!!" MistaMoe channeling Nate.

Posted by: Markin21132 | September 18, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"They can play a little bit tighter on the receivers," said Blache, adding that better execution and strategy could lead to improved play, too, in the secondary." - Greg Blache

To me Megskin, it sounds like Blache is saying that with his approval only, the 'skins CBs can play closer.

This is just me, but I get the feeling that Blache wants to say: Hey, look Zorn! You worry about your inept offense okay?!?! I got this side of the ball covered.

I'm willing to be if you secretly asked players and coaches what is their main beef with Zorn I'm betting the two answers will be:

1) His lack of accountability when things don't go well.

2) His stubbornness.


'Cause those are the main two things that sticks out about Zorn's character to me.

Maybe I just got used to Gibbs and his "Blame it on me" style, I don't know...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

And Sports Guru, to put a finer point on it, you expect an 0-4 start (or worse) because you have no faith in Jason Campbell, and you both hope for and expect his failure, because you believe the team will be better served by jettisoning Campbell and playing someone else -- anyone else, at quarterback -- and a long winless streak will both prove you right and hasten a change at QB. Do I have this more or less correct?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 10:24 AM |

Nah, I just don't see our team as a winning team. We cannot score, and we cannot cover or tackle in the open field.

Our special teams are a joke, and our play calling is rediculously conservative.

Look for the Rams to win by a score of like 24 - 17.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 18, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

don't just line up 4 guys, and do nothing.....

The problem is that's what he preaches and believes in. Containment, not pressure. He validates this through bloviating about being the number four defense in the league last year when the truth was we couldn't stop anyone in the fourth quarter from imposing their will on us. He takes what talent we have and wastes it on, what is in essence, a prevent defense.

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

nate, well put, and RIGHT on the money.

guys like guzu and others, call themselves fans, but they'd rather be right about their ridiculous claims than have the team succeed....

If the team did go 0-4, how often would that jack-azz be up here telling everyone how he predicted it would happen...

what a truly pathetic existence, and sorry whomever defended guzu yesterday, thats just funny....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 18, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

The nickname is offensive and embarrassing to me as a fan, which is my primary concern.

I'm a terribly simple-minded person, but I don't think this is terribly complicated. "Redskins" is exactly as offensive as "Blackskins" or "Whiteskins" or "Brownskins" or "Yellowskins" would be. It's unconscionable that someone would use any of those terms as a team nickname. And it's unconscionable that the Washington-area NFL franchise persists in its usage the nickname "Redskin."

One fan's opinion, is all.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I have nothing to contribute to this discussion.

...other than to say, if we lose to the Rams, we officially become the Deadskins.

Here's to a little bump and run (not to be confused with bump and grind.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 10:28

You know as well as I do that the Redskins will probably lose this one.

This team has no offensive line, a quarterback that is held in chains by a sissy sock puppet head coach, no pass rush at all, handsless secondary, armless tackling, yardless kick and punt returners, and misguided front office and ownerships.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 18, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

This pc crap has gone too far. Just one fans opinion.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 18, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

and watch how man fans will 100% genuinely believe in this team once again.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 9:56 AM

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Why does this have to become a sexist issue?

Many women are passionate about their Washington Redskins.

Having said that, RedDMV is correct, FedEx field offers no home field advantage. Last game I attended, the fans around me told me to sit down and be quiet, and at the time, our defense was defending the red zone.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Unconscionable? ... Oh, the humanity.

I wonder why there are no pending lawsuits against any of the high school teams in two North American countries that use the same nickname.

I guess it's only offensive to some when it's used by a professional, for-profit franchise.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 18, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Megskin, Not up to your usual standards of "sauciness".

I'm really trying not get all worked up about this, don't get me started.

To me Megskin, it sounds like Blache is saying that with his approval only, the 'skins CBs can play closer.

Notice he said that they can, not that they will.

Coward, Megskin? I've never gotten the impression that Blache is a coward. Do you mean in the way he asks his guys to play,

He's a coward in the fact that we don't play a pressure-oriented defense, he's scared to send people. He'd rather just attempt to stall the defense and hope they don't score. That's cowardice in a violent-orientated sport.

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Having said that, RedDMV is correct, FedEx field offers no home field advantage. Last game I attended, the fans around me told me to sit down and be quiet, and at the time, our defense was defending the red zone.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 10:36 AM

That's when you tell them to pull their heads out of their collective a$$es and act like a fan.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 18, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Red,

Native Americans are in every nook and cranny of this country, not just "the great and northern plains".

Posted by: Markin21132


Um, I know this. I'm a little more in touch than that, but thanks for sharing.

Just sayin' that's where they're heavily populated, right? Their heritage is closely associated with that part of the country, right? Chances are, you may find Native Americans from older generations in that part of the country, right?

Why would you go to Boston and take a poll on a team named the Rastafarians would be offensive when you could go to Florida, Jamaica, or Haiti?

Just sayin'... better yet, I'm done with the subject.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

If the average person is asked what a Redskin is they'll say a middle aged overpaid football player from Washington D.C..
Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 18, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse
He//, I thought it referred to a redskin potato. That's why I'm a couch potato every Sunday.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 18, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Nate -- that Landover remark was funny. That's why you're a team captain on the Insider.

I take folks' point about the uphill nature of the likelihood. But change is incremental and often slow. As the Mike Wise article indicates many of the derogatory nicknames have been changed over the years. The Washington NFL football team's usage of the name may be the last to go -- but once momentum is going against it, it will be inevitable. As a matter of predicting the future, I do think that a name change is inevitable. As a matter of fan's priorities I think it's one of few areas where fans' voices may have an actual influence. [Unfortunately, my opinion is not going to affect whether or not Blache makes the DBs play press coverage or make Zorn call play-action on the second offensive play, rather than a "trick" play to Randle-El.] I honestly believe that legal decisions are only part of the process of change. As we all know from participating in the peanut gallery below the articles here in the WaPo, the writer(s) invariably picks up some of the thoughts (insecurities, even) of the respondents.

Posted by: Bx2Bmore | September 18, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

He'd rather just attempt to stall the defense and hope they don't score.

Ooops, that should read offense.

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

You know as well as I do that the Redskins will probably lose this one.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 18, 2009 10:35 AM

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No, ERIC, I don't know we will lose this game. You are a silly Guru if there ever was one.

These two teams are evenly matched and it will be a close game, but yes... I'll allow for the possibility of a loss. It certainly isn't out of the question.

Buck up and stop sticking your finger down your throat, would ya?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

ATTN: SPORTSGURU

FACT: You’re prediction holds no water whatsoever. You base it on absolutely nothing, and to predict the Redskins to start 0-4 against sub-par teams is probably just a cry for attention. You simply want to ruffle the feathers of fans commenters.

REASONABLE OPINION: The Redskins will be no worse than 5-3 at the midway point. They are good enough to handle business in the first half of the season. The real test of Jim and Jason’s fate will be the final 8 games. That is when it gets interesting.

FACT: What do I know? You, afterall, are a GURU

Posted by: cj658 | September 18, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I find it amusing that Kansas City, home of the Chiefs, newspapers won't print the name Redskins.

That said, I would be ok with changing the name.

Washington Sea Dogs has a nice ring to it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 18, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Redskin and redman were terms the Native Americans originally used in negotiation with white people.

The name then went as well as those negotiations. Suffice it to say when was the last time it was used as an insult?

I would say that this debate is 'gay' - another word that's meaning has changed - albeit much more dramaticly, but that would just offend people.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 18, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what's worse pointing out a typo/mispelling.

Or pointing out a typo/mispelling and making a weak and lame "giggle" about it.

No offense, none taken at all. But lame is lame. I had to point it out...

chia and "guzu" are one in the same. Like blog brothas or something... read one post from one, and then read one from the other.

Are y'all like play cousins or neighbors, or something?

Same cornball lameness. But hey it looks good on y'all...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

That's why you're a team captain on the Insider.

Posted by: Bx2Bmore | September 18, 2009 10:40 AM

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No one ever named Nate the captain of da blog.

He used to be known as "The Sheriff," but I think he surrendered the badge and side arm some time ago.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I would've liked them to have kept Dixon if Monty wasn't going to get any run.

Monty faces new role
By: John Keim

Defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery is bracing for another Sunday like the past one, where he’s not sure if he’s active or inactive until near game time.
“It will probably go back and forth every day, whether I’m up or down,” Montgomery said. “Maybe they want to dress another receiver. Maybe one day they’ll dress me.”
Last week, Montgomery, who was limited in practice Thursday because of patella tendonitis in his knee, said he knew several days before the opener that he likely wouldn’t be active. But he received a text message Sunday morning saying he might play. Twenty minutes before the game he was told his status for good.
The Redskins kept five receivers active and already had seven defensive linemen, in addition to linebacker/ends Brian Orakpo and Chris Wilson.
“That’s a role I had in my rookie year,” Montgomery said. “This season I never thought it would be like that.”
The timing is bad: Montgomery is in the final year of his contract.
“It’s tough,” he said. “Obviously I have to be a team player and I am. I also have to think about individual goals and it’s a contract year. But I have to handle the things I can control and that’s practicing hard and trying to impress them so I can get on the field.”

Posted by: TWISI | September 18, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to sue Notre Dame because their nickname is an offensive stereotype and their logo is a blatant mockery of my culture. It's downright unconscionable. Who's with me?

Posted by: TotallyTacos | September 18, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

As I wrote in a previous post, 'Redskin' was a term invoked by HITLER and was used to justify the extermination of the slavic people when Germany invaded Russia (and 30 million were subsequently killed). He used the term because he admired how the Americans had dealt with the indigenous people in America (we wiped them out) and wanted to follow a similar model for his 'Germanization' of Russia and eventually Asia. The first step in any kind of genocide of course, is the dehumanization of the enemy, and language like 'redskin' fit the bill for good ole Adolf. I'd say that's reason enough to change names.

This isn't crazy talk, the use of Redskin is well documented and in a number of Hitler's speeches (he loved cowboys and indians btw).

As for the polls cited, both by SI and the University of Pennsylvania, much has been written about their flawed methodology. I'm not saying their results can't be replicated with a better study, but they were total junk science. I'll link to some good criticisms it if you like. BTW, I work with statistics everyday, and even as a psuedo expert, I can give you ten reasons why those polls are garbage. It's super boring, but I'll do it if you like.

Hail (to whom though? Hopefully not you-know-who)!

Posted by: YourPsychologist | September 18, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

How did we ever get stuck with a coward as a DefCoord? Wake me when the nightmare is over.

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 10:18 AM

The Owner does not seek out the bold, in-your-face types because they might, well, get in his face. That wouldn't do (which explains why Cowher, Cruden, maybe not even Shanahan would ever come here). The Owner would kiss St. Joe's ring, but St. Joe would never get in his face. Grilliams might have gotten into the circumferential area from which The Owner draws oxygen to breath, but that would have been too much of a threat.

Thus, you will have to continue to sleep until tragedy or bankruptcy befalls The Owner (but sure wish you would start posting more again).

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain to this cj658 character the difference between fact and opinion again?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Markin21132 | September 18, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Having said that, RedDMV is correct, FedEx field offers no home field advantage. Last game I attended, the fans around me told me to sit down and be quiet, and at the time, our defense was defending the red zone.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 10:36 AM

That's when you tell them to pull their heads out of their collective a$$es and act like a fan.

Posted by: scampbell1975


That's why I stopped going to games since fedex. And that's why I respect dirty philly fans.

Posted by: bhoang888 | September 18, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Megskin, I gotcha... it's hard to watch our D get pushed around sometimes, to watch teams march down the field on us like LBM did last week. I seem to remember that Grilliams at times was able to play a very similar kind of umbrella containment while still unleashing the mayhem. I just don't attribute the difference in philosophy to cowardice on Blache's part... an overly conservative nature, perhaps, but not cowardice. But again, I hear where you're coming from.

etrod, I would approve of "Sea Dogs," mostly because it's silly sounding and the team isn't based particularly close to the sea. I like silly, I like absurd. And nothing could be as plainly bad as "Wizards."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

If Greg Blache says our expectations for Albert Haynesworth are too high, then why did we pay all that money for him?

Posted by: stwasm | September 18, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Washington Sea Dogs?

The ocean is 4 hours away.

How about we resurrect the name of the soccer team, the Washington Diplomats?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

This isn't crazy talk, the use of Redskin is well documented and in a number of Hitler's speeches (he loved cowboys and indians btw).

Posted by: YourPsychologist | September 18, 2009 10:49 AM |
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So you shouldn't have any problem linking one from a scholarly, reputable source.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 18, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I could go for Sea Dog as long as it was the Washington Salty Sea Dogs. Something about the Salty Sea Dogs just sounds so much. . . saltier.

Posted by: TotallyTacos | September 18, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Washington Bamas. Has a local flavor to it and pretty much describes the team for the last 15 years. We could replace the Redskins mascot with a Marion Barry's profile. Wait...is that racist? Can I get RedDMV to weigh in on this action?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 18, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Washington Insiders?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

There are high scool teams all across this country and in Canada who use the name Redskins.

It's not going anywhere.

Posted by: MrRedskin21


Names and cities of schools, please.

I'd look it up myself, but you're making the claim, just sayin'...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 10:17 AM

HEY YOU BAMA....

Orakpo played for the Redskins in High School........

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 18, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Washington Rats?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Erm, Chia, I was never the Sheriff up here, I think that epithet was reserved for the man who used to judiciously wield a hammer.

I was deservedly nicknamed "Deputy Fife" for a time, primarily for being a bit overzealous and oversensitive up here... I devolved into something of a scold. I like to think I dialed back those problematic tendencies a bit.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The Owner does not seek out the bold, in-your-face types because they might, well, get in his face.

Well, that's a pretty serious problem now isn't? How are you supposed to hire someone that is hell-bent on coaxing out extreme violence in people but make sure he's going to lick your shoes clean first? Maybe one of these days Snyder will figure this out, unfortunately holding my breath doesn't seem to work.

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Go Rats!

HIP HIP HOORAY!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The redskins suck and will probably loose to the rams.

Posted by: BMACattack | September 18, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

A Smithsonian Institute linguist Emeritist Ives Goddard found that the Native Americans themselves invented the term so it wasn't orignally a pejorative term. ... So I ask again why is it a racist term when it doesn't meet the definition of the term racist? Why is it offensive when it has been shown that Native Americans are not offended by it?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 18, 2009 10:28 AM

I always wondered who made up the name of the group NWA ... and why the "n" word is OK when it ends with "-ahs" but not "-ers". I also wonder why PAskinsfan only uses the term "skins" ... and wondered why people care about power rankings.

Washington Reapers. Shomer Shabbos!

Blache, "the corners CAN play closer."

Jerry Gray, "they MAY not."

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm, Fighting Irish vs Redskin. Immigrant population that is revered by american culture vs one that was systematically destroyed by the US government. Name that invokes cultural stereotype (that the irish are good at fighting, nooooo, not that!) vs name that invokes straight up racism of a decimated and subjugated people. Really? Good comparison!

Posted by: YourPsychologist | September 18, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"This team has no offensive line, a quarterback that is held in chains by a sissy sock puppet head coach, no pass rush at all, handsless secondary, armless tackling, yardless kick and punt returners, and misguided front office and ownerships." -BY THE SPORTSGURU

ATTN: SPORTSGURU:
Your tone is indicative of someone who has a personal grudge against the Redskins, management in particular. I suggest you relax for a second. I am do not drink the “cool-aid” (as so many bloggers aptly call it), but I am an intelligent realist. Let’s break down your above quote:

” This team has no offensive line"
Well, they only gave up 2 sacks to the best D-Line in football last week, one of which was the QB’s fault. They also allowed the QB to complete over 70% of his passes last week. I can name 10 teams who would willingly trade their current offensive line for the Redksins current offensive line.

”a quarterback that is held in chains by a sissy sock puppet head coach"
Wow SPORTSGURU. That is indicative of a man with a grudge for some reason. Did he woo your wife with clever inventions and catch phrases. Perhaps your wife has been acting real “medium” lately, and you are wondering why?? I can’t help you there pal.

”no pass rush at all, handsless secondary, armless tackling”
Yes, the secondary missed key tackles in the loss to NY. All correctable errors. Errors like those cost them against a team as good as NY. Errors like that will not cost them against teams such as STL and DET. Although, you are right, they are unacceptable errors, but no cause for alarm after only one game that they lost by 6 points.

” and misguided front office and ownerships.”
This one’s especially for you: http://dcprosportsreport.com/Dan%20Snyder%20Smug.jpg

Posted by: cj658 | September 18, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Moss not a #1 receiver, should be used like wes welker.

Posted by: bhoang888 | September 18, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse


That's just dumb.

Moss is first and foremost a deep threat.

Yes, he's got shifty moves and he's got good hands. But his best asset is his vertical speed.

With a guy like that you go deep, you scare the defense, you force them to be afraid that he's gonna get behind your DBs and you punish them w/deep throws.

It's one thing to say that he could be better utilized by moving him around to the slot and other spots just to mix it up and get the ball into his hands. But just b/c he's small does not mean he's Wes Welker. I don't think Welker ever ran a 4.2.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

My bad, Nate.

Fife, Sheriff, whateves.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

EDIT: I DO NOT DRINK THE

Posted by: cj658 | September 18, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Not to say that it doesn't matter, if it offends a good majority of Native Americans then it needs to be changed.

That's what they should do, go into the great and northern plains and take a poll on their opinions of the term: Redskins.

Posted by: RedDMV |

Here's an easy way to poll. The team should send a team of K Street lawyers into an Oklahoma rez in Adam Archuleta and BLloyd jerseys for a couple days. If they make it out alive, we keep the name.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 18, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Our new uniforms will be black on black and we will be sporting a tail.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: YourPsychologist | September 18, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

... And nothing could be as plainly bad as "Wizards."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 10:52 AM

Nothing wrong with the Washington Ammo ... but they should have been the Marshalls ... lots of entendres that connects it to DC (John Marshall, Thurgood Marshall, U.S. Marshalls, Courts Martial) ... I tried, but there was no Boston Chicken prize for me.

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Sweeny:

Look at the words being used....

'Can' and 'May' does not = 'Will'

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 18, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Oh and if they don't make it out alive, all we've lost is a couple jerseys on clearance.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 18, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm, Fighting Irish vs Redskin. Immigrant population that is revered by american culture vs one that was systematically destroyed by the US government. Name that invokes cultural stereotype (that the irish are good at fighting, nooooo, not that!) vs name that invokes straight up racism of a decimated and subjugated people. Really? Good comparison!

Posted by: YourPsychologist | September 18, 2009 10:58 AM |
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Revered? The Irish were caricatured in print from the time they came off the boat.. And it's obvious you aren't familiar with the history of employers hanging out "No Irish Need Apply" signs, as recently as the early 20th century. They were portrayed as sub-human.

By the way, how's that Hitler speech search coming? Find any scholarly, repitable sources for it yet, or just what I found on Google so far, i.e., bluecorncomics.com?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 18, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Our new uniforms will be black on black and we will be sporting a tail.

Keep your sick fantasies to yourself, please.

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

As an Ohio U alum, I think I remember (or maybe misremember) that our arch-rival Miami Redskins became the Miami 'Redhawks' shortly after I left Athens, due to the 'controversial' nature of the name. For what it's worth.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 18, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"Hmmm, Fighting Irish vs Redskin. Immigrant population that is revered by american culture vs one that was systematically destroyed by the US government. Name that invokes cultural stereotype (that the irish are good at fighting, nooooo, not that!) vs name that invokes straight up racism of a decimated and subjugated people. Really? Good comparison!"

I don't see how the treatment of Irish immigrants vs the treatment of Native Americans is relevant to whether the name Redskins is racist, nor is it relevant to whether the Notre Dame nickname is a stereotype and their leprechaun mascot a mockery.

Besides, as a pacifist, I can take issue with the stereotype that all Irish people are good at fighting.

Sorry you don't like the comparison. Happy Friday!

Posted by: TotallyTacos | September 18, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

An Amazon.com book link. Of a tome written by someone names West.

You know, it's amazing. After claiming that Hitler was tossing around "redskin" left and right in his speeches, the best "source" you can come upo with is a link to buy a book from Amazon.

Piker.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 18, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Keep your sick fantasies to yourself, please.

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 11:03 AM

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No.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 18, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

All we need is a native American player on the roster. Then it will be okay.

We all know that overtly racist names/slurs are okay as long as the people of that race use them and don't mind.

For whatever reason, that's just the way it works.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

ATTN: BLOG COMMENTERS:

This blog has taken an odd twist in the 60 mins or so. People are talking about Hitler and black uniforms with tails. Get your acts together, and grow up.

Posted by: cj658 | September 18, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Names and cities of schools, please.

I'd look it up myself, but you're making the claim, just sayin'...

Anderson Redskins in Ohio, just down the street from me...plus my nephew plays there.

Posted by: mhartz1 | September 18, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

So what if Hitler used Redskin? He said it in German and anything spoken in German is offensive.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 18, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Ugh, the ignorance in here is giving me a migraine.

"REDSKINS" IS NOT AN ETHNIC SLUR.

Please go to the trouble to research the origin of the name. There is an informative blurb printed inside every game program.

The name refers to a specific indigenous group from the lower Potomac basin who used red clay to color their skin.

Bloom County had a word for this: "offensensitivity"

Pretty sure this is not the #1 most pressing issue facing Native Americans in this country. Reality check!

Posted by: McMetal | September 18, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"All we need is a native American player on the roster. Then it will be okay.

We all know that overtly racist names/slurs are okay as long as the people of that race use them and don't mind.

For whatever reason, that's just the way it works."

It's different because he wouldn't be saying "Redskins," he'd be saying "Redskahns." Redskahns isn't racist.

Posted by: TotallyTacos | September 18, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

This blog has taken an odd twist in the 60 mins or so. People are talking about Hitler and black uniforms with tails. Get your acts together, and grow up.

Posted by: cj658 | September 18, 2009 11:06 AM |
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You're absolutely right. I'm going to drop it.

Nothing is more futile than arguing with hypocrites whose selective outrage is limited to the NFL franchise, and not to the high schools in TX, FL, KS, NY, WA, TN, PA, OH, etc., etc., et al, that use the same nickname (and in some cases, worse uniforms).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 18, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

cj658:

People are talking about the offensive name of the team this blog is about and specifically about a debate linked to in this article. It's not my fault you can't handle the fact that one of the worst human beings in history used the term redskin repeatedly. Of course it's relevant to the discussion of the alleged offensiveness of the team name. You're the one who needs to grow up if you can't handle adult conversations.

Posted by: YourPsychologist | September 18, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I don't think those high schools should use those names either. What kind of point are you making? Who is in support of those high schools using the term redskin?

Posted by: YourPsychologist | September 18, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

And that's why I respect dirty philly fans.

Posted by: bhoang888


Eagles fans are four star a-holes.

I'll never expect fans that are as low-life and classless as they are.

But then again, maybe them blurting out racial slurs and cheering when a division rival player was carted off the field doesn't bother you.

The reason why I hate the Eagles more than the Cowboys are because of their fans.

Cowboys fans while obnoxious bandwagon d-bags, are more tolerable because they make silly claims why they think Dallas is the best, and it just comes out as stupid and plum dumb.

Which is funny sometimes. I find it hard to have a serious debate with a Cowboy fan because most of them haven't a clue.

But Eagles fans? These jerks are THE know it all, think their team is the END all BE all fans I despise. They think they can act like a-holes is because they haven't won any major championships, before the Phillies, since '83?

I'd like to think that 'Skins fans would have acted with more class when Irving was being carted off when what was thought was a serious neck injury.

What gives them the right to act they way they do? Who the hell are they? I hear people talking about how you don't go to a Philly game, wearing the opposing teams jersey.

Yeah right, whatever... And if I did? What are they going to do? That is why I made it my business to get tickets for when the 'skins go to Philly, and wish a Mo'fo would touch or throw ANYTHING at me!

I've said it a few times, people take this "fanhood" s*** way too far. These a-hole fanatics are lonely and miserable people, and for the most part live an unfulfilling life. They need a real hobby.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"People are talking about the offensive name of the team this blog is about and specifically about a debate linked to in this article. It's not my fault you can't handle the fact that one of the worst human beings in history used the term redskin repeatedly. Of course it's relevant to the discussion of the alleged offensiveness of the team name. You're the one who needs to grow up if you can't handle adult conversations."

I hear Hitler also referred to Jewish people as . . JEWS! Disgust, I say. It's unconsciouansdlknfaaable!

Posted by: TotallyTacos | September 18, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

The DB's HAVE to play closer! If they are as good as they both say they, Rogers and Hall, then play tight coverage and don't give a 10-12 yard cushion! Manning was killing us a short type passing and Blache never adjusted and had them play tighter, why not?..no confidence in the players??? Landry also has to step up and not play like an idiot and get stupid penalties, he needs to play better! I can't help but think of the late GREAT Sean Taylor when i see our safeties not play well...he would never put up with that!!!!!!!!!!! All us fans still Love you Sean!!!!!

Posted by: jcrabbe1 | September 18, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

They need a real hobby.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 11:11 AM

Like RI

Posted by: mhartz1 | September 18, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I really don't care if we change the team name/mascot as long as we don't change it to one of those "concept" type of names, like "Freedom" or "United" or "Heat".

I don't know why, I just think it's lame when they do that.

I'm still trying to figure out how a "capital" becomes the object of a team name and pluralized.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"The DB's HAVE to blah blah blah blah blah!!! Jibba-jabba!"

Get that football talk outta here!!

Posted by: TotallyTacos | September 18, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

oh, so many things to say...

1) There are high schools on Indian Reservations with the nickname Redskins.

2) If you think anyone who uses the term Redskins to refer to a sports team is actually thinking of it in any way as a pejorative term, you are crazy.

3) You would have a point if they came up with a new team and called them the "N-words." I think they would have legitimate grounds to prevent the name. But let's say 75 years go by and eventually the "N word", while still using a logo of a black person on the helmet, is only ever heard as it pertains to a football team and is never heard in terms of an insult. I think the argument falls apart as the word has a changed meaning.

4) Considering how often the "N-word" is used by some people in a non-pejorative way (and without punishment), it's clear that the intent of the speaker is quite relevant. Every Redskins fan means it in celebration of their team, not a denigrating insult to Indians.

get over yourselves. there are bigger problems in the world.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | September 18, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

“People are talking about the offensive name of the team this blog is about and specifically about a debate linked to in this article. It's not my fault you can't handle the fact that one of the worst human beings in history used the term redskin repeatedly. Of course it's relevant to the discussion of the alleged offensiveness of the team name. You're the one who needs to grow up if you can't handle adult conversations.” - DIRECT QUOTE FROM SOME QUACK.

ATTN: MY PSYCHOLOGIST

Since you are apparently my psychologist, I guess I have no right but to listen to you and heed your advice. With a name like that, it appears you are more than qualified to tell me how to act and to handle certain situations. You are right though, I cannot handle the fact Hitler used the term “Redskin”. I cannot handle the truth. I literally spit out my coffee and went into convulsions at my desk. As my psychologist, how do you recommend I proceed?

Posted by: cj658 | September 18, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

As for the polls cited, both by SI and the University of Pennsylvania, much has been written about their flawed methodology. I'm not saying their results can't be replicated with a better study, but they were total junk science. I'll link to some good criticisms it if you like. BTW, I work with statistics everyday, and even as a psuedo expert, I can give you ten reasons why those polls are garbage. It's super boring, but I'll do it if you like.

Hail (to whom though? Hopefully not you-know-who)!

Posted by: YourPsychologist | September 18, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm not even going to address the Hitler stuff because it has nothing to do with the issue. As for the surveys, you are on the side that it needs to be changed. Fortunately the burden of proof is on you my friend and not me. Can you provide proof that the majority Native Americans are offended by the term Redskins without using a flawed methodology? I highly doubt it. Every poll, survey, questionaire is automatcally going to be flawed anyway. All you can do is refute the evidence on our side without providing any of your own. The term was originally used in the 1700s by Native Amricans. Then in the 1800s there are many examples in literary use showing it to be a neutral term. Then it fell out of use altogether until the early 1900s when it was used for the football team. You can criticise the studies all you want but you have nothing better.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 18, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"I hear Hitler also referred to Jewish people as . . JEWS! Disgust, I say. It's unconsciouansdlknfaaable!"

I'm pretty sure he referred to water as water (wasser, actually). should we ban that word too?

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | September 18, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

kb, the Washington Bamas won't do too well, for one, most of the country would think were jocking the University of Alabama.

Two they wouldn't get it.


The Washington Youngins or the Washington Joes, would be better...

the Washington DMV'ers??

lol...


AND thanks, for sharing that info 4th, you salivating bama!

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

get over yourselves. there are bigger problems in the world.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | September 18, 2009 11:15 AM

you took the time to write that and use all of your special big words and you tell us to get over ourselves, right...

you probably looked those words up just to turn your nose up at the might RI nation, lol.

get over yourselves, i love it...

Posted by: mhartz1 | September 18, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

People are talking about the offensive name of the team this blog is about and specifically about a debate linked to in this article. It's not my fault you can't handle the fact that one of the worst human beings in history used the term redskin repeatedly. Of course it's relevant to the discussion of the alleged offensiveness of the team name. You're the one who needs to grow up if you can't handle adult conversations.

Posted by: YourPsychologist | September 18, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

U Mad

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 18, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The Name,

I wrote a letter to Wise about his coulomb, I do worry about the unintended consequences of removing all native american names from all sports team. You are inadvertently wiping out native americans from american culture.

Now should Redskins be changed? Probably sure, it seams to offend enough people to justify. But lets take things on a case by case basis, and not just destroy the Seahawks, Chiefs, and college teams with names as well, lets not wipe out all the logos just because they represent native americans rather, focus on ones like the Cleveland logo or the redskins nickname as they are negative.

Here are the names I would say we should consider. And keep the logo, uniforms ect.

-Powhatan (Famous tribe that John Smith came in contact with from NOVA DC region)
-Potomac (our river and a NA name)
-Warriors (my lest favorite because someone will still sue about it if it has any NA imagery associated.)
-Americans (heard this from Dukes on the radio, and if you keep that logo, how can you be more accepting to NA culture)
-Algonquin (larger nation of NA's on the east coast)

If you change the name and everything I recommend: Copperheads

Posted by: alex35332 | September 18, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Quick googlesearch shows that the name of the school newspaper at Phoenix Indian High School is, "The Redskin."

Think I'll sue 'em.

Posted by: TotallyTacos | September 18, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

... And nothing could be as plainly bad as "Wizards."

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Agreed!

Bring back the Bullets.Just because morons shoot each other shouldn't be cause to change the name of the b-ball team.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 18, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Note to YourPsychologist, when someone up here demands facts or extrinsic supporting evidence or sources, they don't really care about those facts or sources or evidence, its just an argument technique, kind of like comparing your opponent's argument to "an argument that Hitler would make" (Godwin's Law?).

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

etrod, I would approve of "Sea Dogs," mostly because it's silly sounding and the team isn't based particularly close to the sea. I like silly, I like absurd. And nothing could be as plainly bad as "Wizards."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse


That's the biggest reason for Sea Dogs right there -- It lost to 'Wizards' in a fan poll back when Abe Pollin was changing the name from the Bullets. The choices were Wizards, Sea Dogs, Dragons, Express and Stallions. All the choices sucked with the exception of the redicoulously out of place Sea Dogs. It was so bad it was good.

If Dan Snyder decides to change the Redskins' name, we will have our chance to right this horrible wrong.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 18, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

RI is my job. It's most done during from 11-5 at the job.

Recreation sports: Basketball, a little running here and there, golf driving ranges, batting cages, bowling, are some of the things I like to indulge in.

Unless you include going out dates with the ladies, and going out for a night on the town with the fellas hobbies as well.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"If Dan Snyder decides to change the Redskins' name, we will have our chance to right this horrible wrong.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 18, 2009 11:22 AM "

Truth. Hopefully when the two finalists for new team name for the Redskins will be "Sea Dogs" or, (plot twist!) "Bullets."

Posted by: TotallyTacos | September 18, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

And please ignore my grammar, I'm running on 2.5 hours of sleep.

Posted by: TotallyTacos | September 18, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Give me a break with this change name crap, if the name was so offensive why did no one ever file a lawsuit until the 90's. The name has been in use since the 30's.

The name stays there is no other name for this team, now the color scheme could use an upgrade but that is another argument altogether.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 18, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Hold up, Alex, now "Seahawk" is offensive? To whom, osprey?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

How come no one is crapping the bed about the "Yankees"?

The term got popular when the Brits used it as a derogatory term for American soliders.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Redskins' NFL's oldest By Ryan O'Halloran on Sept. 17, 2009
Redskins 360

The Redskins have seemed to made an effort since Jim Zorn was hired to get younger. Veterans like Jon Jansen, Pete Kendall, Marcus Washington and Shawn Springs have been discarded in favor of younger players.

But the Redskins are still the oldest team in the NFL.

According to information released by the league on Wednesday, the Redskins' average age is 27.60 years.

The Redskins' average NFL experience of 5.55 years is also the most in the league.

And, one more: The Redskins have 17 players who are age 30 or older -- again the most in the NFL.

Green Bay is the youngest team in terms of age (25.70) and experience (3.81).

The Redskins' averages are slightly skewed because of LS Ethan Albright (38), QB Todd Collins (37) and DE Phillip Daniels (36).

-- Ryan O'Halloran

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 18, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"get over yourselves. there are bigger problems in the world.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | September 18, 2009 11:15 AM

you took the time to write that and use all of your special big words and you tell us to get over ourselves, right...

you probably looked those words up just to turn your nose up at the might RI nation, lol.

get over yourselves, i love it..."


I take out the time to yell and cr@ppy drivers too. Idiots need to have their reality shoved down their throat.

There are in fact much bigger issues. you should get over yourself. or go hang out with Doc Walker with your little tantrum.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | September 18, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Nice RedDMV...i wasnt suggesting you needed a hobby, just stated others need to read the fantastic and useless info on RI...i too could easily state i have two jobs, my company and then the reading and laughing at the posts on RI, done pretty simultaneously...

Posted by: mhartz1 | September 18, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Washington Whoopie

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

If we had to change the name, which i really don't care one way or the other just like i didn't care when the bullets changed their name, why don't we just change it to the Washington Skins. I call them the skins already anyway.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 18, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

nate, its offensive to 'landhawks', birds with a healthy fear of the sea....

as well as 'groundhawks' birds with a fear of flying.....

could you be more obtuse in this regard??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 18, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

What I miss most about the Bullets is no the name, but the cool uniforms.

Hell if the Wizzards would get rid of the Teal and Gold things and went with a red white stripe pattern look, some updated version of the old bullets uniforms I think that would be great.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 18, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

This link to an "LA Times" column about "Redskins" is offered without comment, and primarily to provide a new sportswriter for the venom of those who put blame for unpleasant news on the messenger.


http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke18-2009sep18,0,3967721.column

Posted by: TheCork | September 18, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

He said it in German and anything spoken in German is offensive.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 18, 2009 11:08 AM

Parole Board Member: What about this note where you wrote "Die Bart Die?"

Sideshow Bob: That's German. It means The Bart The.

[Muttering]

Other Parole Board Member: No one who speaks German could be evil.
_________________

As a person of Irish descent, I am offended by the misreprentation of the Notre Dame football team ... who more accurately should be called the Drunken Irish.

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

make that "yell AT cr@ppy drivers"

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | September 18, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

U Mad
Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 18, 2009 11:19 AM

Clinton, shouldn't you be pulling Zorn's head out his a$$ and coming up with a gameplan for this Sunday? Stop fooling around.

Oh yeah, while you're at it, please push Mr. Blache down some stairs and let's get someone else in here. Lovie Smith should be available in about 15 games, or maybe Ron Rivera. Thanks!

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

DC Assault.

Even though it is already in use by the AAU team.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 18, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Hold up, Alex, now "Seahawk" is offensive? To whom, osprey?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Not me but I have heard some saying they find the exploitation of Native American culture with that logo was wrong.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 18, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

red does need a hobby....thats the thing....

1. Lowering cholesterol
2. Decreasing scrapple intake...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 18, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

alex, I could roll with Powhatan and Algonquins. Those are cool righ there.

However, a good majority of Cowboys fans would have extreme difficulty pronouncing 'Algonquins'.

But what would you do for the logo?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

the problem wasn't the cusion the dbs gave. it was the missed tackles.

Posted by: jnicol2 | September 18, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

How come no one is crapping the bed about the "Yankees"?

The term got popular when the Brits used it as a derogatory term for American soliders.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I have rambled on that one before. Ever hear the song Yankee doodle?

It would be the equivalent of calling a team the New York Backwoods retarded illiterate trash.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 18, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

who cares? Honestly? Its all about publicity and personal greed. 20 people are mad about the name. get over it. We could be the Washington Crackers or the Washington Honkeys, I dont care. I will still root for the team.

However, if they end up as the Washington Snyders, I am calling shenanigans and heading to to FedEx field with my pitch fork and torch.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 18, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

From Yahoo Fantasy Analysis:

"The Redskins offense has no rhythm; they always seem to be out of synch, and there’s no flow, no identity. Jason Campbell(notes) simply doesn’t fit their scheme. He’s erratic and inconsistent, but in a different offense, he could have much better production. He’s starting to feel like he has to make throws, and when he does that, he starts doing things he shouldn’t be doing. This offense is downright annoying and boring."

ouch, sad but true

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 18, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Washington Scrapples

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 18, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Really we are the oldest team? Ugh, I wouldn't have thought that.

I love and hate the name...Much like the team...so its perfect!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 18, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

alex, I could roll with Powhatan and Algonquins. Those are cool righ there.

However, a good majority of Cowboys fans would have extreme difficulty pronouncing 'Algonquins'.

But what would you do for the logo?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

It would be cool until a Powhatan Indian felt it was racial and we had to change that.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 18, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Fantasy Analysis = Power Rankings...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

But what would you do for the logo?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

As I said, keep the exact same logo. Try and keep the uniform the same. I always loved Powhatan the best of all my ideas, Potomac is not bad either. A few times in Madden NFL I would move the team back to DC and change to one of those names.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1 = A-Hole

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 18, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"This offense is downright annoying and boring."

Wow Yahoo, I couldn't agree more!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 18, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

One of the big topics of discussion after Week 1 was the play of the secondary against the New York Giants and, specifically, whether the Redskins' cornerbacks provided too much of a cushion on some plays.

"Coach Jim Zorn thought so and said he would prefer defensive backs to play closer to wide receivers during Sunday's FedEx Field home opener against the St. Louis Rams. What was defensive coordinator Greg Blache's take on that?

"They can play a little bit tighter on the receivers," said Blache, adding that better execution and strategy could lead to improved play, too, in the secondary."

Sounds like a plan.

--RI, The Mayor

If this item were food, it would be grits.

If it was a car, it would be a grey four-door sedan.

If this item were a team strategy, it would be "playing not to lose."

Come on, a lil analysis, please. Stir it up. This can be HUGE.

. Is this a rift? Was Blache ticked at the "meddling" in the one thing (defense) that works for the 'skins? Is this jealousy on Zorn's part for seeing the best picks and acquisitons go to the other side of the ball, not his offense?

Okay, I've caused enough trouble for one day.

Posted by: TheCork | September 18, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

don't hate beans.

I'm like that old person who refuses to change their diet until they have to have from the knee on down amputated.

190 and up!

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

However, a good majority of Cowboys fans would have extreme difficulty pronouncing 'Algonquins'.

We could just name them the Bullets ... wait a sec... never mind.

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Greg, its not that there aren't times where you say things that may be right, in fact a lot of times you do, but you just insist on being a jerk at every opportunity, it gets old, if you tried just having a debate without all the extra stuff and all the abrasive aggressiveness you wouldn't be so damn annoying.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 18, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

How come no one is crapping the bed about the "Yankees"?

The term got popular when the Brits used it as a derogatory term for American soliders.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 11:27 AM

Easy. We won the war.

Posted by: TheCork | September 18, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Take the Florida State Seminoles for example:

The Seminole Tribe of Florida, approves of the team name and feels "honored" to be associated with the school.

Now the Oklahoma Seminole tribe finds the use of Florida States mascot as offensive.

Even though they are called the Florida State Seminoles and the direct group they are representing feels honored and officially sanctioned the school to use the name, some punk Seminoles not associated with the school were crying.

Its not the Florida Seminoles fault that the Oklahoma Seminoles suck. People making a stink just because.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 18, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"Fantasy Analysis = Power Rankings..."

Actually not true...those cats break siht down. You don't like or play fantasy sports but the writers who cover it do know there stuff. its the power ranking journalists who go on "feel" and "conventional wisdom" The Fantasy writers are much more detail oriented.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 18, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

From the Times:

Defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery, a starter in 2007 and key reserve in 2008, will likely miss a second straight game on Sunday.

The difference is that this time Montgomery, who was kept inactive for the opener against the New York Giants, will probably be scratched for the home opener against St. Louis because of an ailing knee which had him riding an exercise bike as his teammates began practicing this morning.

All 52 of Montgomery's teammates are practicing and should be ready for the Rams.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 18, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

For your entertainment, a list of potential new team names using animals and alliteration:

Washington Walrus
Washington Weasels
Washington Whales
Washington White Rhinos
Washington Wildebeasts

Washington Wolves (I'd be happy with this. Wolves are awesome pack hunters native to America, a good fit for a team oriented sport)

Washington Wombats
Washington Woodcocks
Washington Worms
Washington Wuerhosaurus
Washington Wyvern (I like this one too, but it's probably too nerdy for the mainstream.)

Posted by: rexforab | September 18, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

After 7 bottles of Remmy in 6 days, I'm just recovering from Giant's loss. Who are we playing again?

Posted by: abxinc | September 18, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Easy. We won the war.
Posted by: TheCork | September 18, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Actually the slur comes from the French and Indian War, which was won by the British, we were just the subjects and militias.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 18, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Wow Yahoo, I couldn't agree more!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 18, 2009 11:36 AM

There's some haters in this house.

RedDMV and Cl have been like BAtman and Robin this week.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 18, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Let's be honest with ourselves about the likelihood that when it becomes more common for professional sports franchises to adopt nicknames based on sponsor relationships -- the New York Red Bulls serving as a trial balloon -- that Mr. Snyder is among those likely to seriously consider such an option. If no court case compels him to change the name, I believe the almighty dollar could.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"if you tried just having a debate without all the extra stuff and all the abrasive aggressiveness you wouldn't be so damn annoying"

Whats the point of that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 18, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

After 7 bottles of Remmy in 6 days, I'm just recovering from Giant's loss. Who are we playing again?

The Rams. Remember, the team that beat us last year. Best to keep drinking, we'll let you know how we did next Friday.

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

How come no one is crapping the bed about the "Yankees"?

The term got popular when the Brits used it as a derogatory term for American soliders.
Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 11:27 AM

Easy. We won the war.

Posted by: TheCork | September 18, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse


Not sure why that relates to the intent behind the term.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

BeanGreg -

We should have traded Montgomery for a 4th and kept Dixon....

(I have a feeling the trade was on the table to Carolina and they backed out. That would be why that sportswriter commented on it at the time)

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 18, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Let's be honest with ourselves about the likelihood that when it becomes more common for professional sports franchises to adopt nicknames based on sponsor relationships -- the New York Red Bulls serving as a trial balloon -- that Mr. Snyder is among those likely to seriously consider such an option. If no court case compels him to change the name, I believe the almighty dollar could.

Posted by: NateinthePDX
--------------------------------

I didn't even think about this, but you're absolutely right. That's a really depressing thought, the Washington Degree Antiperspirants

Posted by: rexforab | September 18, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

4th, and you have been a faker....b/c you agree with Red and I much more than you want admit.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 18, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Give me a break with this change name crap, if the name was so offensive why did no one ever file a lawsuit until the 90's. The name has been in use since the 30's.

Posted by: Flounder21


Flound, maybe those people didn't have the 'voice' to speak out about those things until the 90's. C'mon man, you really think a group of Native Americans with a case for changing the name would even be heard in the 30's?

The only time they probably could've even stepped foot in a courthouse back then was if they were being charged with something.

C'mon man, that whole thing about "if it was a problem then, why wait until now?" argument is weak.

That's like saying: Slavery in Northern America started (as we know it) in 1654, so why wasn't it a problem for two hundred years?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

4th, something. What about putting AM on the IR, and signing Mcbride?

Is Dixon on the big squad, or the eagles PS?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 18, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

The most honest -- and best informed -- are always the early morning bloggers.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 18, 2009 7:29 AM

Don't be an idiot...if Orakpo was a total bum, do you think Blache would say anything different from what he said above? He's paid to tell the media and the fans what they want to hear. All I'm saying is taking an NFL coach completely at his word is naive at best, stupid at worst.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 18, 2009 7:49 AM

And all I'm saying is that the only people you can really rely on are the early morning bloggers, like you, who are always honest and better informed than the coaching staff. So, yeah, I see your point about being an idiot.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 18, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

That was offseason....I'm in 'In Season' mode now.

And I will not deter until that one key moment. And for me, it wasn't on the 2nd play of the year (End Around Option Pass)...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 18, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

The Rams. Remember, the team that beat us last year. Best to keep drinking, we'll let you know how we did next Friday.

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

The Rams play didn't exactly beat us. It was more like we handed them a victory.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 18, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Turk was grabbed by the Lions via Waivers.

Dixon is on the 53man roster. Not good for us...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 18, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"the New York Red Bulls serving as a trial balloon"

Nate, Red Bull New York is named such because the team was actually sold to the owner of Red Bull (or the group that owns Red Bull). They also have another Red Bull [enter city] somewhere in Europe (Ukraine maybe?).

It is an interesting idea, however, and I wouldn't be surprised to see something of the like transpire. But remember, Snyder is and has always been a fan first -- that may be his fatal flaw -- and the Redskins name probably means more to him than the almighty dollar.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if this has been suggested or not...

If they have to change the name they should go old school: Washington Braves

They started out as the Boston Braves afterall. I could go with a Florida State type helmet...even blank burgundy ones with the feather up the back. Retro is the way to go.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | September 18, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Red,

Come on man they had the 70's and the 80's.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 18, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

They also have another Red Bull [enter city] somewhere in Europe (Ukraine maybe?).

It is an interesting idea, however, and I wouldn't be surprised to see something of the like transpire. But remember, Snyder is and has always been a fan first -- that may be his fatal flaw -- and the Redskins name probably means more to him than the almighty dollar.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

It's Salzburg.

How 'bout the Washington Flags?

It could refer to the stars and stripes; and Snydes could develop a cross-promo w/ Six Flags.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"and the Redskins name probably means more to him than the almighty dollar."

Sure..........

Posted by: chrislarry | September 18, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Yoder that doesn't fix the problem, its not the Redskins vs. Braves they care about, its the white corporate America taking symbols of their heritage that we stole from them and using it as mascots for entertainment purposes.....redskins, braves, indians, seminoles, all of them are insults to them and rightfully so..

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 18, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The Rams play didn't exactly beat us. It was more like we handed them a victory.
Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

Well, if you run all over them for a 100+ yards and 3TDs then that problem is solved and you won't have fans misinterpreting what really, truly happened, right? No mistakes, no "handing them a victory" this time Mr Portis, we're counting on you, crappy Oline, "Genious" coach, wimpy DCoord and all.

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Since we're throwing speculative name changes around, how about this one--Pigskins? It keeps half the original name, it's what a football is made of, it would honor the greatest OL in NFL history, the Hogettes wouldn't have to change a single dress, and the logo could be morphed into something that looks like an Arkansas Razorback.

Posted by: boothintexas | September 18, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Isn't team name love it/hate....hate loving it convo for offseason?

I'd much rather bash Zorn.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 18, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

4th,

They don't pay me to hate.

They don't pay me to love either.

So all I can do is call it like I see it.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I am okay with a change if we keep the Native American Theme.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 18, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

redDMV

"It's like giving reparations to African-Americans. Not. Ever. Gonna. Happen."


You mean I'm not gonna get my mule?

Well, that sucks.

I was gonna plant weed on my forty acres, but I guess now I can't do that either.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 18, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

They don't pay me to hate.

They don't pay me to love either.

So all I can do is call it like I see it.

_______________________________

Words spoken like a pimp.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 18, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Since we're throwing speculative name changes around, how about this one--Pigskins? It keeps half the original name, it's what a football is made of, it would honor the greatest OL in NFL history, the Hogettes wouldn't have to change a single dress, and the logo could be morphed into something that looks like an Arkansas Razorback.

Posted by: boothintexas | September 18, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

As a jew I feel like I would be offended by this.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 18, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

PREDICTION:

ANTONIO DIXON will become a playa' in a couple of years. Remember his name. Our loss, IGGLES gain.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 18, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I am okay with a change if we keep the Native American Theme.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 18, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

That's the whole point for them, its not the "Redskins" they have a problem with, its the fact that a corporate America entertainment team has the nerve to use a "theme" from a people that we literally tried to wipe of the map and steal their land. It be like saying we can't be the Washington Slaves anymore as long as we keep the black theme....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 18, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Since we're throwing speculative name changes around, how about this one--Pigskins?

By the Gods of football you can't do that - you want PETA on us for promoting the eating of bacon and the slaughter of pigs?

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"redskins, braves, indians, seminoles, all of them are insults to them and rightfully so.."

Does this same woman have lawsuits against the rest of these teams?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | September 18, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

agreed, cL.

F James A. Zorn.

NOT a fan.

here it: "And I will not deter until that one key moment. And for me, it wasn't on the 2nd play of the year (End Around Option Pass)..." - 4thFloor


And guess what Fourth? That was on Zorn... YOUR coach callin' that play for YOUR team.

Hatin' on the truth much, 4th? smh...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Continuing the nature theme:

Washington Pansies
Washington Guano
Washington Stinkbugs
Washington Wildassboars

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 18, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

And as I said earlier zjfr2, if they succeed in getting all these teams to change their names and stuff they will only finish the job of wiping themselves from the historic consciousness.

I am all for dignifying the thing, but to eradicate it from existence, well I have seen enough history get wiped out in my short lifetime.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 18, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

If we are going to change the name why not change everything and become "America." That's it. Dont even have a nickname.

Games would be sweet:
"Philadelphia Eagles vs America"

Question: Who do you root for?
Answer: America

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 18, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Mista M:

Our federal government just wasn't ready in 1865 nor did it have the stomach for the egregious actions against former Confederates that would have made good on the 40 acres and a mule promises which were almost never kept. Unfortunately, our country's history is littered with broken political promises to its inhabitants. As all countries have.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 18, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

In tribute to his genius play calling/script writing ability and futuristic haircut the team will be renamed the Jim Zorn Zornadoes following the 2010 season.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 18, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"redskins, braves, indians, seminoles, all of them are insults to them and rightfully so.."

Does this same woman have lawsuits against the rest of these teams?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | September 18, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't know but this from Wise's column leads me to believe if she doesn't she will:

"Currently working as a guest curator for exhibitions on treaties for the National Museum of the American Indian, Harjo sees the day when she is asked to curate a race-based exhibit for sports teams. The mantle of shame will include baseball caps from the Cleveland Indians -- as close to a Native Sambo as they come -- and names and logos from the Washington football team, so, Harjo said, "People can look and say, 'What were they thinking?' "

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 18, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Steve:

I especially like the last one except you mispelled "...bores."

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 18, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

How 'bout the Washington Flags?

It could refer to the stars and stripes; and Snydes could develop a cross-promo w/ Six Flags.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse


End around on 2nd play of the game after a huge gain on the first play: 1 FLAG!!!

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 18, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

We are a forgiving society, and we should give Zorn a chance to fulfill my 15-1 prediction...

(FULL DISCLOSURE - I was threw/through with Zorn when he didn't run a hurry up when we were down by 2 scores against the Giants in the opening game LAST YEAR, but as of the moment, he's still the head coach)

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 18, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Steve:

I especially like the last one except you mispelled "...bores."

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 18, 2009 12:15 PM

Haha, nice one!

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 18, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Washington Bedsh1tters.

We do that plenty.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 18, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

And as I said earlier zjfr2, if they succeed in getting all these teams to change their names and stuff they will only finish the job of wiping themselves from the historic consciousness.

I am all for dignifying the thing, but to eradicate it from existence, well I have seen enough history get wiped out in my short lifetime.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 18, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

That is a pretty sweeping statement and I think a little naive. Not being the mascots for sports teams doesn't exactly "wipe them from history" and unless your are Native American you can't really say how it makes you feel for corporate America to use symbols of your heritage for entertainment purposes. But there aren't any sports teams that are called the "Civil Wars" or the "Slaves" or the "WWIIs" or the "Vietnamese" and somehow I don't think those eras will be wiped out of history books just as I doubt Little Big Horn, the Frontier, or the tale of Native Americans will be wiped out of the history books either if there are no longer native american themed mascots.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 18, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

How about Washington Casino Moguls?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 18, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Mike Wise... they should call you Mike Stupid.

Changing the Redskins nickname would set a dangerous precident.
Of course the Redskins nickname is offensive, but every team in the NFL has an offensive nickname...

For example:

Cowboys- Offensive to Native Americans. Symbolizes the aggression taken against Native Americans by United States. Also, Cowboys are the earliest example of organized crime in America (according to the movie Tombstone which is the greatest ever)... and also F- the Cowboys!

Giants, Titans- Offensive to abnormally large people. Team names imply that large people are mean and brutish.

Vikings, Buccaneers, Raiders- Offensive to victims of theft and oppression. All team names represent barbaric ruthlessness.

Packers- Offensive to the lactose intolerant.

Saints- Offensive to atheists.

Lions, Bears, Eagles, Falcons, Panthers, Seahawks, Ravens, Bengals, Jaguars- Offensive to victims of assault/battery. All team names represent predatory aggression.

49ers- Offensive to families living in poverty. Symbolizes greed and get rich quick lifestyle.

Patriots- Offensive to immigrants in the US. Implies that only descendants of Revolutionary War vets are true Americans.

Dolphins- Offensive to animal rights activists who believe dolphins should be allowed to stay in their natural ocean habitat rather than be captured and forced to perform for humans at Sea World.

Jets- Offensive to all Americans. Team name is the weapon used by terrorists in 9-11 attack.

Steelers- Offensive to the hardworking members of the plastics industry.

Cardinals- Offensive to anyone who had their eye pecked out by a cardinal.

Browns- Offensive to little people.
Mascot is a 'Brownie' which is an elf like character.

Colts, Broncos, Rams, Bills- Offensive to anyone who has been trampled by a stampede.

Texans- Offensive to peaceful natives of Texas. Implies all texans are fierce and willing to go to war without just cause or a plan to keep the peace.

Chiefs- Offensive to Native Americans. Implies all Native Americans are aggressive war loving clans.

Chargers- Offensive to electrocution victims.


Posted by: jgarrisn | September 18, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

If we are going to change the name why not change everything and become "America." That's it. Dont even have a nickname.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 18, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Here's our fight song:
America...
America...
America, F*CK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother F*cking day yeah,
America, F*CK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too,
America, F*CK YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, F*CK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow

F*CK YEAH!

McDonalds, F*CK YEAH!
Wal-Mart, F*CK YEAH!
The Gap, F*CK YEAH!
Baseball, F*CK YEAH!
NFL, F*CK, YEAH!
Rock and roll, F*CK YEAH!
The Internet, F*CK YEAH!
Slavery, F*CK YEAH!

F*CK YEAH!

Starbucks, F*CK YEAH!
Disney world, F*CK YEAH!
Porno, F*CK YEAH!
Valium, F*CK YEAH!
Reeboks, F*CK YEAH!
Fake Tits, F*CK YEAH!
Sushi, F*CK YEAH!
Taco Bell, F*CK YEAH!
Rodeos, F*CK YEAH!
Bed bath and beyond (F*ck yeah, F*ck yeah)

Liberty, F*CK YEAH!
White Slips, F*CK YEAH!
The Alamo, F*CK YEAH!
Band-aids, F*CK YEAH!
Las Vegas, F*CK YEAH!
Christmas, F*CK YEAH!
Immigrants, F*CK YEAH!
Popeye, F*CK YEAH!
Democrats, F*CK YEAH!
Republicans (republicans)
(F*ck yeah, F*ck yeah)
Sportsmanship
Books

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 18, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else stop reading and dismiss the poster as silly after this statement:

"according to the movie Tombstone which is the greatest ever"

Posted by: chrislarry | September 18, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Plus if we were America. then rooting for the girls, iggles, or gints would be Unamerican.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 18, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Tombstone was a pretty sweet movie.

This whole "Redskins" thing is ridiculous. Does that also mean I am a bad person for buying "scalped" tickets

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 18, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"The mantle of shame will include baseball caps from the Cleveland Indians -- as close to a Native Sambo as they come -- and names and logos from the Washington football team, so, Harjo said, "People can look and say, 'What were they thinking?' "

The logo for the Indians is pretty ridiculous, but the name is not offensive. I can understand going after blatantly offensive material, but I'm assuming the vast majority of Native Americans have no problem with names and logos that display reverence or respect. But you know what they say when you "assume" things...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | September 18, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"Tombstone was a pretty sweet movie."

It was?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 18, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The Washington...Kanyes

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 18, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

The key this week's game:

Will Derrick Dockery catch the football and try to run with it?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 18, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Lets just cut to the chase:

The Washington Robber Barons.

The logo can be Snyder's scowling face. Or the Monopoly dude.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 18, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

4th, Zorn is not tied with the 'skins potentially going 15-1.

The 'skins can win the super bowl, and I still would not vouch for Zorn.

Kinda like how bean refuses to vouch for Belichick.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Knowing Snydfer he will find a way to make money with the name change

I can hear it now

"Ladies and gentleman welcome to Outback Stadium for the game between the Philadelphia Eagleas and YOUR Washington Bloomin Onions"

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 18, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The Washington...Kanyes

Posted by: JohnDinHouston


The Washington A-Holes.

The Washington Vanities.

The Washington Self-Indulgers.

The Washington Smug.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Tombstone was no Road House.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 18, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Tombstone was no Road House.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 18, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Cindy/Jason.Paul: New post, please.

This one is dead.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 18, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

4th, Zorn is not tied with the 'skins potentially going 15-1.

The 'skins can win the super bowl, and I still would not vouch for Zorn.

Kinda like how bean refuses to vouch for Belichick.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

If he wins a the super bowl this year he can stay for another year.

anything else and skins should get rid of him. At this point I would rather have Clinton Portis as a player coach than another year with JZ.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 18, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

How about - The Washington Monuments.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 18, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I was the one who got the nickname debate rolling this morning, when I followed up on Bx2Bmore's innocuous comment. So put the blame squarely on me for that one...

But it's friggin' Friday, yo, we might as well rap about something up here.

What's everybody doing this weekend, until 1pm Eastern on Sunday?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

How great would it be if Snyder added "Fired SB winning coach after SB" to his resume?

That would be some funny siht.

Embrace the insanity.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 18, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Plus if we were America. then rooting for the girls, iggles, or gints would be Unamerican.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 18, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse


So if we change our name to America would that make us America's team?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 18, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Washington Ballers.

There's alot of potential there...

...mascot could by Snyder with a fist full of cash in one hand a football in the other, with Cerratto standing behind him with an alarm clock around his neck screaming "WHAT?!?!"

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17 , absolutely!!!

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 18, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I watched "Tombstone" recently, filling a gap in my cultural wisdom, and it was just all right... not great, just all right. Kurt Russell wasn't at his usual level of awesomeness, the movie lacked the tension I thought the story deserved, and even Val Kilmer's transcendent turn as Doc Holliday couldn't compensate for the movie's overall weaknesses.

I have been waiting to use the strangely provocative phrase "I'll be your huckleberry" since I saw that movie, though no chance has presented itself yet.

So yeah, it was no "Road House," and I say that never having seen "Road House."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 18, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

And if you are a free agent, who wouldn't want to sign for the "Ballers"?

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The team name "Ballers" would also get tons of play from the SportsCenter guys...

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

You could even change it to "Ballerz" and submit it to a vote amongst the DC citizenry and I bet it would clean up against any other nickname...

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

You'd also sell tons of "Ballerz" gear nationwide - caps, jackets...

Some hip-hop artist would definitely sport it in a video...

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

And when your straight-laced granny asks what it means, you could just tell her it is short for "Footballers - Washington Footballers", and you wouldn't be lying...

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Blache can't be more aggressive because it will open them up to big plays. If the Skins get down by 14 points the offense cant come back. How many times has the team scored over 20 points in the last two years?

Posted by: fj8152001 | September 18, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Ok, it's Friday, let's sing shall we?

Jim "The Hack" Zorn and I don't care,
Jim "The Hack" Zorn and I don't care,
Jim "The Hack" Zorn and I don't care,
My team got blown away

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 18, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, this post has received 242 comments as of 1:02 p.m. That's the most since 9/2/09, "Making a Case for Rock Cartwright," which received 346. If we keep at it, maybe we can beat the record for shots taken at a dead horse.

Posted by: boothintexas | September 18, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

K Street Lobbyists

Washington Muckrakers

Posted by: frediefritz | September 18, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Washington Traffic

(whether that means congestion on the beltway or drug traffic is up to you...either would seem to convey some truth about the DC area)

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:

Quarterback Colt Brennan, Washington's third-stringer in 2008,is expected to need three months before he can resume athletic activity following hip surgery.

Coach Jim Zorn said that Monday's operation revealed that the small tear in his labrum, which was repaired, was the cause of Brennan's ailing hamstring. The 26-year-old had a similar operation on the other hip during the 2008 offseason.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 18, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

And if/when the team loses, we can all say "The Washington Traffic sucks!".

And we would be speaking the truth on many levels.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Just because it needs to be said....Sween and 4th Floor is/are the man/men! See you Sunday! HTTR!

Oh, and sween...the name of the road that rings the stadium is "FedEx Way". Go figure.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 18, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I highly recommend you check out Road House if for nothing else than to behold Patrick Swazey (RIP) sporting what is perhaps the greatest mullet to ever be captured on film.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 18, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Or we could call the team the "Washington Metro".

And after a win we could say "the Washington Metro killed them!", and we would be speaking the truth on many levels.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I highly recommend you check out Road House if for nothing else than to behold Patrick Swazey (RIP) sporting what is perhaps the greatest mullet to ever be captured on film.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 18, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I beg to differ, please refer to Joe Dirt.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 18, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"All you have to do is follow three simple rules. One, never underestimate your opponent. Expect the unexpected. Two, take it outside. Never start anything inside the bar unless it's absolutely necessary. And three, be nice."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 18, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Road House, The Day After Tommorrow, Legally Blonde 2, The Rock, Miss Congeniality

Which one does TNT feature more often?

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Or we could call the team the "Washington Metro".

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, there is some potential there. Super tight jerseys, black-out under the eyes would be replaced with guyliner. The would be the most finely coiffed team in the NFL.

Dan Snyder could get a co-sponsor on the stadium name also: Federal ExpressMen stadium.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 18, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I think the corners playing closer would make a huge difference. It appeared the line wasn't getting any pressure on Eli last week, but that was definitely in large part because of the soft coverage. Eli took what the defense was giving him and was able to get rid of the ball too quickly.

Posted by: dfbovey | September 18, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Also, see Jack Bauer when he was in Lost Boys. He rocked it pretty good as well.

For other classic pics refer to this site, they categorize mullets to a new level.

http://www.mulletjunky.com/

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 18, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Road House, The Day After Tommorrow, Legally Blonde 2, The Rock, Miss Congeniality

Which one does TNT feature more often?

Posted by: p1funk


The Rock

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Best mullet is Andre Agassi from the early 90's.

He didn't rock it as part of a movie. He rocked it while playing pro tennis.

Kudos.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Road House, The Day After Tommorrow, Legally Blonde 2, The Rock, Miss Congeniality

Which one does TNT feature more often?

Posted by: p1funk


The Rock

Posted by: RedDMV | September 18, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse


Forgot to add "Con Air" to the list...

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

glawrence

Do some research:

"ANTONIO DIXON will become a playa' in a couple of years."


Antonio Dixon, Marko Mitchell, Chase Daniels, and Edwin Williams were on our list as favorites to make the roster back before camp.

It's funny how Dixon gets cut, plays for the iggles (well) while Montgemory makes the team, but doesn't play.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 18, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

hip hip

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 18, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

That is a pretty sweeping statement and I think a little naive. Not being the mascots for sports teams doesn't exactly "wipe them from history"


I would say that first of all its naive to think that our nation is more then willing to try and forget about the indian genocide. People try to cover their history to make themselves saints all the time, also I was looking bigger picture not just a few sports team names what about everything else? What about if we start seeing them try to re-make some films for their demeaning depiction?

and unless your are Native American you can't really say how it makes you feel for corporate America to use symbols of your heritage for entertainment purposes.

I never assumed to do so, but I have Scottish ancestors can I get mad about the Celtics.

But there aren't any sports teams that are called the "Civil Wars" or the "Slaves" or the "WWIIs" or the "Vietnamese" and somehow I don't think those eras will be wiped out of history books just as I doubt Little Big Horn, the Frontier, or the tale of Native Americans will be wiped out of the history books either if there are no longer native american thumbed mascots.

Eagles for one got their old logo from the Army i believe, you have tons of schools in our area named after the civil war, I want to Washington-Lee HS, the Generals

Posted by: alex35332 | September 18, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

It's funny how Dixon gets cut, plays for the iggles (well)

how many tackles did he have for the eagles?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 18, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Con Air is on USA Network more then anywhere else.

What about FX constantly showing X-Men & Spider Man movies.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 18, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, while you're at it, please push Mr. Blache down some stairs and let's get someone else in here. Lovie Smith should be available in about 15 games, or maybe Ron Rivera. Thanks!

Posted by: Megskin | September 18, 2009 11:29 AM

I'm good with Jerry Gray. Yesterday I wrote a long post (about the replacement for Zorn's replacement) with Jerry Gray as DC, Bill Musgrave (who turned Matt Ryan into the Matt Ryan of Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco fame) ... and for head coach ... and this is the hardest part ... but I had lots of reasons ... Troy Aikman.

Also, on another name (which I say would be a real good idea just to make the discussion topic go away) ... anything starting with an "R" would be fine ... as long as its scary ("Rabbits" would not be so scary ... except to Tim the Enchanter).

Now if we could just get Antonio Pierce to change his name, maybe that discussion topic would go away.

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

beep...beep...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 18, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love "Road House". Remember, baby, pain don't hurt.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 18, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Maybe its a question of anatomy ... maybe instead of all of the "skin", the name could just focus on the skin on the neck ... unless peeps up here who are convinced that the name is not offensive would be offended by the name "Washington Rednecks" ... wouldn't want to offend anyone.

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I thought DIXON had potential when he was here, and I think he does now in PHILLY. Hey, MOE. What research? DIXON or broken promises?

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 18, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

If they do change it they should just call them the Skinz and put a buffalo hide on the helmet

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | September 18, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

prevent defense dictionary definition: is a term used to prevent the team that uses this type of play to not win a game. it is to allow a team offense to win. this allows bettors to win money by beating the point spread.

Posted by: rls1041 | September 19, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

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