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Offense makes noise; now it's coaches' turn

The Redskins have declined to make Sherman Lewis available to the media since he began calling passing plays in the Week 7 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles. Hopefully, Lewis will meet with the media this week and discuss his role in the team's play-calling procedure that helped produce impressive results during Sunday's 27-17 victory over the reeling Denver Broncos.

Washington (3-6) established season-highs with 388 total net yards and 174 yards rushing. In his first start of the season, running back Ladell Betts gained 114 yards - the team's single-highest total. All of this was accomplished with many of the same members of a patchwork offensive line (left tackle Levi Jones made his first start as a Redskin) that had performed poorly in Washington's first eight games.

Of course, the Redskins caught a break when Denver quarterback Kyle Orton suffered an ankle injury in the second quarter and was replaced by ineffective No. 2 signal-caller Chris Simms after halftime. Orton and wide receiver Brandon Marshall teamed on 40- and 75-yard touchdown passes in the first quarter, but the Broncos (6-3), in their third consecutive loss, produced only 36 yards during the second half with Simms leading them.

The Redskins' offense, however, performed at its highest level in helping the team end a losing streak at four games. Several players I spoke with credited Coach Jim Zorn, who still devises and installs the offensive game plan each week, and offensive coordinator Sherman Smith, who calls the running game and is heavily involved with the pass-protection schemes, for much of the team's impressive offensive production against Denver. Offensive assistant Chris Meidt also has helped Lewis in the coaches' box.

Zorn has incorporated some of Lewis's passing-play requests into the game plan each week - but it's still Zorn's offense, players said. As for the running game, which has suddenly come to life the last two weeks with the hard-working Betts in the lead role, it has been the key to strong showings in the second half of the 31-17 Week 9 loss to the Atlanta Falcons and the victory over the Broncos.

Since Portis suffered a concussion early in the loss to Atlanta, Betts has gained 184 yards on 41 rushes (a 4.49-yard average) and scored two touchdowns. Smith has been among Betts's biggest supporters in the organization because of his focused approach during practice and professionalism.

"Nothing Ladell does would surprise me because Ladell is a good back," Smith said recently. "Ladell has prepared for his opportunities and he expects, we expect, him to be successful and help us."

Betts's production has helped ease the burden on quarterback Jason Campbell, players said. A good running game is a quarterback's best friend, the saying goes, and the Redskins' rushing attack simply was not very good when everything revolved around Portis, who might sit out again this week against the Dallas Cowboys because of lingering effects from the concussion.

"It definitely helps when we're running the ball the way we are now because the defense has to be read for anything," Campbell said after Sunday's victory. "It helps to have that balance. It's what you want as an offense."

Smith, Meidt and most of Zorn's other offensive assistants will be available this week to discuss what's suddenly working with Washington's offense. And with things going well for a change, perhaps Lewis might feel like chatting.

By Jason Reid  |  November 17, 2009; 11:15 AM ET
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Posted by: skinball77 | November 17, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

What was the point of taking a shot at the team by noting the fact that Orton left the game? This is a post regarding the offense and, unless I am mistaken, Orton does not play defense for the Broncos. So, I have no clue how Orton's departure has any relevance whatsoever to the subject matter of the original post. Just can't help yourself, huh?

Posted by: dylanahn | November 17, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

What was the point of taking a shot at the team by noting the fact that Orton left the game? This is a post regarding the offense and, unless I am mistaken, Orton does not play defense for the Broncos. So, I have no clue how Orton's departure has any relevance whatsoever to the subject matter of the original post. Just can't help yourself, huh?

Posted by: dylanahn | November 17, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

If Rogers ever made a pick or had ever capitalized on they 3700 pick 6 opportunities he's dropped he'd be fine. But he has the worst hands in the league and repeatedly falls for the same moves. There is no downside to throwing at him, he can't make you pay for a mistake. That isn't an elite corner, its not even close.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Dear Sherm Lewis,

DON'T fall for the Media's trick. Your just a 'consultant'. You're not obligated to speak to the Media. Just keep calling a great gameplan.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Just can't help yourself, huh?

Posted by: dylanahn | November 17, 2009 11:35 AM

Just can't help b!tching, huh?

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 17, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Proof positive that practicing hard all year pays off is one Levi Jones oh no wait, I mean Quentin Ganther, hold on. Proof positive that practicing hard and keeping your body finely tuned pays off is Hunter Smi.. WAIT A SECOND!

Proof that practicing hard translates to on field success is one Carlos Rodg..oh gosh darn

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

dc, are you kidding me?? He's making the same mistakes he made since being drafted, does that say that he's putting in the time to you?? Does that say he's in the film room, in front of the jugs machine on a regular basis, or does that say that he's been sittin on his laurels....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 11:36 AM

There's just as good a chance that his problems are game time/mental as anything. Taylor Jacobs was always awesome in practice, perfect on his routes, catching everything, doing everything the coaches could ever want ... except perform during an actual game like he did in practice.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I think mentioning that Orton went down is important for context. Redskins fans have a bad habit (me too) of taking a win and turning it into a playoff run.

However, there is little doubt that the last six quarters of football have been the best all year and I expect it to continue.

If this does turn into a run where things start clicking...any chance the coaching staff remains the same? If we add some O-Lineman and keep Betts as more of a primary, we may be in good shape.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | November 17, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I agree with pabrian. Get everyone off the practice field now. That's the only way this team gets better.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't say Rodgers is an elite CB, but I will say unless you have someone better to play in his place then he's the guy.

like every other position, unless there is someone better available then SUCK IT UP

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Is it not a sunny day where you people are? Why fixate on Rogers ... or Zorn ... or Portis ... or Landry ... the Skins just won a gall damb game against a team with a winning record. Its only Tuesday and there was a ton of great stuff that happened ... Skins have a running game again (and a starting back who actually practices with the line during the week). Devin Thomas had a HUGE day. Lorenzo Alexander (coming on a rotation) forced a fumble and tackled the molars out of a kick returner. Rock Cartwright actually got two first downs ... and the Skins actually had SEVERAL third and short situations. Does complaining actually help you through your day? Wins by the Skins are going to be hard to come by this season ... why not enjoy the ones that actually happen? I'm not just talking about winning by one point (and booing), I'm talking about the Skins offense breaking the 17 point ceiling, stopping a running game, and having an offensive line that finally resembles professional athletes!

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

We beat up on the FO, and rightly so, but perhaps they knew what as what when neither JC or Los was given a new contract last year.

If no cap next year, tender both and see if we can pick up any draft picks to continue the youth movement. If not, both can compete for their former positions next year.

And F dallas!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"Lewis will meet with the media this week and discuss his role in the team's play-calling procedure that helped produce impressive results during Sunday's 27-17 victory over the reeling Denver Broncos.."


Well, if you can't interview Sherm Lewis, try cataloging the snarky and cynical national media football talking heads who laughed when he was hired by Vinny.

Maybe y'all have forgotten: all the Sunday Morning Football Yahoos laughed when Mr. Bingo left the hall to help the redskin offense find proper footing.

ESPN's Cris Carter, for example, mocked that Sherm Lewis--a man with 5 Super Bowl rings--couldn't call plays for St Thomas Aquinas High School (one of the nation's best high school programs).

Mr. Carter must've forgot that before he was a somebody, he was a nobody in Philadelphia cutting up snow without the blower.

Mista Mayor, let's get some gloating going on as the folks who always find fault with the redskins suddenly have fallen silent now that they, and not Vinny, got something wrong.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

what was what...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight, according to J Reid all the credit for the improved production on offense goes to Zorn, Smith, & Meidt....whatever. The play calling has been great. It has kept the opposing defense off balance, players are executing better because more players are involved in the game plan. I give a major nod to Sherm Lewis as well to the improved play of this team's offense.

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I agree with pabrian. Get everyone off the practice field now. That's the only way this team gets better.

Posted by: psps23

I didn't say that, so that's your idea, and it's dumb

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Skins need to listen to some Arvo Pärt to get their heads straight for the CowPatties.


...There WILL Be BLOOD.


...and I drink your milkshake.

...so there.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 17, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Suppose Snyder decides not to clean house in the offseason, keeping Cerrato, but still firing Zorn, a distinct possibility with Snyder. Would making Sherm Lewis the HC be a consideration? And if it was, would skins fans accept it or be up in arms? I don’t know – my first choice like many would be to clean house and hire a new GM to run things but that may just be wishful thinking. I do like how they’ve gotten the young guys involved more recently and get the sense that is a result of Lewis’ input. Lewis as HC might not be the ideal move but it might be an OK move. He’s learning the personnel on the fly now and seems to be adapting. Give him a full offseason and who knows?

Posted by: skinswest | November 17, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Also, the 12th man at FedEx had its best performance by a supporting crowd this season.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Zorn has incorporated some of Lewis's passing-play requests into the game plan each week -

JReid


To me this is evident when watching the Skins play. SL is having more effect on this O than zorn had to this point. Give credit where credit is due Reid.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Three catalysts for an improved offense:

-Levi Jones
-Sherm Lewis
-Ladell Betts

Anything else just points back to those three.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 17, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

why not enjoy the ones that actually happen? I'm not just talking about winning by one point (and booing), I'm talking about the Skins offense breaking the 17 point ceiling, stopping a running game, and having an offensive line that finally resembles professional athletes!

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 11:47 AM

"I'm afraid. I'm afraid, [dcsween]. My mind is going. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you..."

Posted by: 4-12 | November 17, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Hey, did anyone go meet natz yesterday?

hehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 17, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

... ESPN's Cris Carter, for example, mocked that Sherm Lewis--a man with 5 Super Bowl rings--couldn't call plays for St Thomas Aquinas High School (one of the nation's best high school programs). ...

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 11:51 AM

I don't know where I heard or read this, but it was somewhere reviewing Sherm Lewis' record as an offensive coordinator (which looked mediocre, esp. b/c of some purgatory in Detroit). It did say, however, that he had some amazingly high TD percentage once his team gets into the red zone (something like 80%? did anybody else catch this?). It might be that statistic that inspired Vinny to search out the guy (could be that Lewis' mediocre record as an OC had to do with not getting into the red zone in the first place ... the combination of that with Zorn -- who DOES get them in the red zone, just not into the end zone -- might be coming into balance).

GLASS HALF FULL!

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

dcsweeen gets a game ball

and a tur-duck-en leg

Dallas lost columbo for the year was he supposed to block Haynesworth?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Suppose Snyder decides not to clean house in the offseason, keeping Cerrato, but still firing Zorn, a distinct possibility with Snyder. Would making Sherm Lewis the HC be a consideration? And if it was, would skins fans accept it or be up in arms? I don’t know – my first choice like many would be to clean house and hire a new GM to run things but that may just be wishful thinking. I do like how they’ve gotten the young guys involved more recently and get the sense that is a result of Lewis’ input. Lewis as HC might not be the ideal move but it might be an OK move. He’s learning the personnel on the fly now and seems to be adapting. Give him a full offseason and who knows?

Posted by: skinswest | November 17, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

This scenario terrifies me but I had a nightmare about it Sunday night. Never in my life have I been conflicted about a Redskin's win, but I was Sunday. If the offense keeps improving and they win more games and get to 6 wins it wouldn't be a surprise for Snyder to blame everything on Zorn and injuries and keep Cerrato in place and just hire a new coach. That would all but guarantee continued mediocrity.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

skinswest,
Judging by how difficult it was for them to find a head coach last time, I think promotion from within would be a good strategy, but that is only if Vinny stays. With Vinny gone, a new GM will probably want to bring in his own guys, and I doubt Sherm Lewis would be one of them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 17, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

My feelings on what I want to see this week can be summed up as

http://www.facebook.com//photo.php?pid=3080245&id=529092333

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

Sherm Lewis was one of those black coaches who always got interviewed, but was never got a head coaching job.

Lewis resume is twice as impeccable as Zorn's and a lot of other dudes hired over the past 10 years: but look at who's been the head coach hires.

Lewis' hire by Vinny and any subsequent success is just vindication for Sherm.

The guy is a good coach, and the skins may have found somebody to fix their ten year old broken offense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Three catalysts for an improved offense:

-Levi Jones
-Sherm Lewis
-Ladell Betts

Anything else just points back to those three.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 17, 2009 11:56 AM

... To finish the game. To START that game -- to get the team some swagger -- to build some momentum -- to get the crowd to feed the team -- there were HUGE plays by Lozo (I can't believe he only got six defensive snaps!), a few WAY needed first downs by Cartwright, and that bizarro fake field goal pass from the punter to Sellers. You don't win football games by stats -- you win it by getting and holding onto "it". The Skins won that game because they bounced back from the Broncos first TD and SCORED in the FIRST quarter. Just like the importance of winning in Week One, winning the first quarter goes a long way.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse


Sunday, the Redskins offense reminded me of Seattle's when they played the 'skins and the game mattered. You NEVER knew what was coming, there was a wide variety of plays, someone was always open, and the running game worked because the passing game made it work.

That's the heart and soul of the West Coast offense. Zorn doesnt' know how to use it--he seems to forever go back to the same two-three plays, and plays dont' set up the next one.

But whatever combination of events--play design, gameplan, or playcalling under pressure, The Two Shermans have made it work for at least one week.

The skins MAY have lucked out on Levi Jones. We'll learn more this week. Let's hope RIno keeps his head screwed on straight, and nobody else gos down.

Posted by: TheCork | November 17, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Is it not a sunny day where you people are? Why fixate on Rogers ... or Zorn ... or Portis ... or Landry ... the Skins just won a gall damb game against a team with a winning record. Its only Tuesday and there was a ton of great stuff that happened…

Posted by: DCSWEEN

Man have I got a column for you!

it’s all about the 13 redskins “Losers Revenge Sunday”, and how, finally some real dogs had their day….

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | November 17, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

TheCork

"Sunday, the Redskins offense reminded me of Seattle's when they played the 'skins and the game mattered. You NEVER knew what was coming, there was a wide variety of plays, someone was always open, and the running game worked because the passing game made it work."


(INSERT applause and shouts of "That's so true!" and "How come nobody sees this but me and Moe?")

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Dallas lost columbo for the year was he supposed to block Haynesworth?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 12:01 PM

Without Columbo help, you now that Andre Gurode's forehead stitch scars are twitching and quivering.

MistaMoe, I'm good with Sherm Lewis -- he suffered some years with Matt Millen as his GM ... he's a survivor. I'm OK with the entire coaching roster right now ... but it does seem like there is a redundant coach in there on the offensive side somewhere.

Ever notice how, when the defense huddles up during a time out (TV or otherwise), Haynesworth goes off to the side alone? I remember when they got him how articles said that in the 2-3 hours before a game and during the game, its just not a good idea to try to talk to the guy. [I think that was what Blache said, or maybe Vanden Bosch or one of the guys from Tennesseee.] I wonder if Haynesworth puts himself into some sort of mayhem trance for games.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter was chasing down backs from the other side of the field on the 1st drive and played a heckof a game all the way through.

I would give the game ball to Campbell, he has been getting hammered this year and last. He's been getting ripped apart bye the fans and the media.

and zo Ax, thats D, O, and ST and Hunter (I cheated, that's 4)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

On that OL post, the kid from VT - Sergio Render is pretty good and would be a nice late round pick up. Big kid, mean and good with running and passing game.

Posted by: mhartz1

Tell you who I want the ‘skins to pick up with a lower round selection, that full back from Pittsburgh, #27 Henry Hynoski RS Soph, may not come out. But he’s smart, can run, goes 260 and he flat out crushes people. Hell arrange early retirement for Sellers.

Posted by: TheCork | November 17, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I would give the game ball to Campbell, he has been getting hammered this year and last. He's been getting ripped apart bye the fans and the media.

and zo Ax, thats D, O, and ST and Hunter (I cheated, that's 4)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell had played a decent game the offense would have scored 40 and it would have been a blow out. Betts, special teams, and the DLine won that game in spite of Campbell.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

it’s all about the 13 redskins “Losers Revenge Sunday”, and how, finally some real dogs had their day….

Posted by: TheCork | November 17, 2009 12:10 PM

chRIs LaRrY posted something about how it was losers weekend ... wins by Carolina, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Green Bay ... and that team at the bottom of the NFC East. To me, the only surprise was Green Bay and Carolina. It was just a great day walking into FedEx (sunny and warm after a week of the backside of Hurricane Ida rain) that it didn't seem that odd for the Skins to actually play well.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

On that OL post, the kid from VT - Sergio Render is pretty good and would be a nice late round pick up. Big kid, mean and good with running and passing game.

Posted by: mhartz1

Tell you who I want the ‘skins to pick up with a lower round selection, that full back from Pittsburgh, #27 Henry Hynoski RS Soph, may not come out. But he’s smart, can run, goes 260 and he flat out crushes people. Hell arrange early retirement for Sellers.

Posted by: TheCork | November 17, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Draft another fullback after taking one last year? Good plan....why don't we take some mid round linebackers to cut and a punter while we're at it.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

It was just a great day walking into FedEx (sunny and warm after a week of the backside of Hurricane Ida rain) that it didn't seem that odd for the Skins to actually play well.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 12:20 PM

I should clarify that I was reasonably sauced by that point as well.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

To me the most likely options wuold be Zorn, Sherm Lewis, Sherm S, Blache, Jerry Gray

they tried to get a QB and failed, they'll try to get a big name coach and fail

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 17, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Midround, early rounds, late rounds, whatever.

Skins need offensive lineman. Skins need a real free safety. Skins need to prepare for the retirement of Portis, Betts, and Rock (all in their eighth years), and assume Cornelius is gone too ... get a SLB who played LB ... and some depth behind Rocky Mac (unless Henson turns about to be OK). And screw rolling the dice on a QB. Push all the chips to Colt Brennan. Bring back Chase Daniel ... or some other game manager type (I don't know whether I'm thinking Rosenfels, but someone like him). Assume Todd Collins is gone.

Two offensive tackles in the first three rounds. One free agent backup who is ready to plug in at center (first) and guard (second) ... and by backup, I mean someone who is supersmart and can make line calls already.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

If you're trying to get me to talk about how much I'd like to see Tony Romo knocked out of the game the same way that Kyle Orton was, because some benefit would accrue to the Redskins for the remainder of the contest, well, sir, I declare that you're not going to get me to say anything of the sort! It would be incredibly bad form to hope for an injury to anyone. Perish the thought. Just stop it, sween. Seriously.

[On teh internets, this sort of thing is called "concern trolling" right?]

Also, Dallas backup Jon Kitna > Denver backup Not Phil Simms. (To wit, beware the backup surprise à la Leftwich in last year's season-turning-point Steeler game.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 17, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

This scenario terrifies me but I had a nightmare about it Sunday night. Never in my life have I been conflicted about a Redskin's win, but I was Sunday. If the offense keeps improving and they win more games and get to 6 wins it wouldn't be a surprise for Snyder to blame everything on Zorn and injuries and keep Cerrato in place and just hire a new coach. That would all but guarantee continued mediocrity.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 12:01 PM

This is my fear as well. I wasn't openly rooting for a loss in the Denver game but kind of wanted it. Having said that, I just can't bring myself not to root for a win against Dallas.

That brings me to a hypothetical dilema. Would you rather beat the Cowboys twice this year and end up with Cerrato for next year or would you rather have two losses to the Girls and have Cerrato gone?

Posted by: Moose33 | November 17, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't someone tell my fantasy team it was loser's weekend? Sheesh.

Actually, He Nate Me played all right this weekend, above our average score, but we were clobbered by that dastardly 4-12, whose team had a great week.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 17, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

so lets say that we see a continued and marked improvement in the offense as we've seen the past few weeks....does that earn JZ a reprieve....does sherm lewis get added as a full time employee in this regime??

I mean, lets say they're scoring in the 20 point range the rest of the year...it has to be something they're thinking about right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

This scenario terrifies me but I had a nightmare about it Sunday night. Never in my life have I been conflicted about a Redskin's win, but I was Sunday. If the offense keeps improving and they win more games and get to 6 wins it wouldn't be a surprise for Snyder to blame everything on Zorn and injuries and keep Cerrato in place and just hire a new coach. That would all but guarantee continued mediocrity.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 12:01 PM

This is my fear as well. I wasn't openly rooting for a loss in the Denver game but kind of wanted it. Having said that, I just can't bring myself not to root for a win against Dallas.

That brings me to a hypothetical dilema. Would you rather beat the Cowboys twice this year and end up with Cerrato for next year or would you rather have two losses to the Girls and have Cerrato gone?

Posted by: Moose33

Driving yourself nuts trying to run scenarios and guess what Snyder will do = power rankings

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 17, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Sherm Lewis is too Old to be a HC canidate....not neccesarily for OC, only if he wants in....which I doubt.

Make a Defensive Mind your HC. Blache/Gray is a Good Canidate and let Gray be the Def Coord at the same time, irregardless of him being the HC (ala Rex Ryan). Let whoever runs the offense concentrate solely on the offense. Nothing else.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

You all presume that Danny's decision making is based on the same, rational basis that all of us hamster's use.

To wit - if the Redskins finish 4-12, 5-11, etc., Danny will realize the error of his ways, and fire Vinny.

If Danny realized the error of his ways, he never would have re-hired Vinny after Schottenheimer left.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

4th, thats what I was implying, does SL get the OC position....I could live with that....I mean I don't think you can deny that the playcalling has improved....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Sunday, the Redskins offense reminded me of Seattle's when they played the 'skins and the game mattered. You NEVER knew what was coming, there was a wide variety of plays, someone was always open, and the running game worked because the passing game made it work.

That's the heart and soul of the West Coast offense. Zorn doesnt' know how to use it--he seems to forever go back to the same two-three plays, and plays dont' set up the next one.

But whatever combination of events--play design, gameplan, or playcalling under pressure, The Two Shermans have made it work for at least one week.

The skins MAY have lucked out on Levi Jones. We'll learn more this week. Let's hope RIno keeps his head screwed on straight, and nobody else gos down.

Posted by: TheCork | November 17, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

That's why I hated Zorn's playcalling. There never seemed to be an overall idea or goal. He simply attacked the same area of the field over and over again. He only ever attacked the left/center shallow part of the field. The bingo caller has been throwing deep, intermediate, shallow, and sideline to sideline. You really have no idea where the ball is going or who it's going to. Then on top of that Smith is running on both sides of the line and even trying to use the edges. Smith/Lewis are using the whole field and they're doing it methodically. They will run middle 2-3 times then pass short left to the sideline. They may run middle then run right then pass intermediate middle. They may even take a deep shot to the end zone on first down. Who knows? Zorn would run left 3 times then try a screen pass to the left. You have to attack as much of the field as you can and if you find a weakness you pound the crap out of it. That's exactly what we did yesterday. That's why we won.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

That brings me to a hypothetical dilema. Would you rather beat the Cowboys twice this year and end up with Cerrato for next year or would you rather have two losses to the Girls and have Cerrato gone?

Posted by: Moose33 |

Honestly, I can't see how any true fan would EVER root for their team to lose.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

With Betts churning up yards, that makes the Defense play closer to the line and gives Campbell a chance. Keep Portis limited.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | November 17, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Titans owner Bud Adams fined a cool quarter-million for flipping off Bills fans:

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/national/091116-Bud-Adams-Fined

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow, talk about deluded. Over 50% of respondents think Redskins are going to beat the Cowboys next week. I've got some brand new high-rises on the beach here in Miami I'd love to sell them! Financing guaranteed!!!

Posted by: gringoinmiami | November 17, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I can't see how any true fan would EVER root for their team to lose.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2009 12:46 PM

Especially a Skins fan when playing the cowgirls.

F dallas!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Lisa....Though I think most people don't get it....

We go atleast 5-3, maybe even 4-4 in the 2nd half....Vinny Stays. Zorn/CR22/JC17 will be gone....

Also, recent reports suggest there will NOT be an uncapped year....but the Free Agency rules for the uncapped year will still apply...meaning the Auburn Bamas will be restricted....MEaning More Draft Picks for us...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

yeah, if the skins win six games, it might save some jobs. even tho, snyder needs smarten-up and fire vc and let the new gm decide zorn's fate. it could be that zorn's the best option for next year. of course, only a good gm could be trusted to make that call. snyder's football stupid beyond reason; the only thing he should do is replace vc.

Posted by: chris_zz | November 17, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

meaning the Auburn Bamas will be restricted....MEaning More Draft Picks for us...

4th, you bamafied bama, stop, just stop...you know deep down you don't even believe someone is signing them.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

SHerman Lewis as HC next year? IDFTS!

I want this team to win, but if losing games this season ensures Snyder

FIRES(s) CERRATO!!!

I will take the longterm view and know its for the best.

F the WCO in DC

F dallass

F Vinny

Hail to LB46 and the OL for giving the fans something to be proud of.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 17, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow, talk about deluded. Over 50% of respondents think Redskins are going to beat the Cowboys next week. ...

Posted by: gringoinmiami | November 17, 2009 12:50 PM

Division games are the worst for picking, even with a spread. I'm terrified about having to pick on this one (actually, that fear is pretty much chronic everytime I have a choice on the Skins), as well as Texans/Titans, Arizona/St. Louis, and Norv/Belichek Jr. I'm less worried about Jets/Patriots ... unless the spread is at 7, in which case I'm terrified about that one too.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Also, even without knowing the spread, I can say with certainty that 4th Floor is punching hard for the Texans to beat the Titans.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I hope Betts starts....Ronnie Brown got hurt so I had to pick up Betts in Fantasy. Lets go Betts. Help me go 9-2.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 17, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

That brings me to a hypothetical dilema. Would you rather beat the Cowboys twice this year and end up with Cerrato for next year or would you rather have two losses to the Girls and have Cerrato gone?

Posted by: Moose33 |

Honestly, I can't see how any true fan would EVER root for their team to lose.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Lisa its pretty simple, crap decisions and management by Vinny has proven to most everyone that the only way the Skins get good again is if he goes and a real personnel guy comes in. The basic theory is that it takes a train wreck of a season to force Danny's hand and can Vinny. I believe in this theory, I wholeheartedly agree that for the long-term good of the franchise and team Vinny must go, and I still can't bring myself to root for a loss against the friggen Cowgirls. I think I'm hoping for disappointing offense and 7-0 win with the TD come from a sack fumble return by Orakpo. That way we can win and still know we suck enough that Vinny gets fired anyway.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

We can get maybe 4th for Carlos and a 5th for JC17....There are starting lineman in these rounds.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I can't see how any true fan would EVER root for their team to lose.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2009 12:46 PM

Especially a Skins fan when playing the cowgirls.

F dallas!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I cant say Im rooting for the Skins to lose, especially against dallass. But after a win, like the one over Denver, I feel good about the team playing well and the victory, but at the same time, I see it as helping Cerrato retain his job here. NOT A GOOD THING. So a win this season is a mixed bag of emotions for me. Maybe some others here as well?

The flip side of the coin is when the Skins lose, its not so bad when you know Vinny starts squirming in his seat. His bug eyes starting glistening off the white cheeks of his racketball partner. Then he does something dumb like hiring the Sherminator, or waiting till a couple of weeks ago to sign Levi Jones. A loss can be good for the long term of this team. Thats severing the ties of snyderatto.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | November 17, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell had played a decent game the offense would have scored 40 and it would have been a blow out. Betts, special teams, and the DLine won that game in spite of Campbell.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't agree with this. How can you just remove 2 TDs from the score because of his 9 incompletions yet not give him any credit for any of the other 27 points? He never gets any credit for doing good yet he gets all the blame for his mistakes. He made several crucial throws on the first TD drive and in the late 4th quarter scoring drives. At the end of the day we finished with more passing yards than rushing yards yet we supposedly won in spite of him. That's pure BS. Campbell was hitting passes to the sidelines all day long. That spreads the defense out and allows the RBs to run through open running lanes. That's WCO. Campbell was also throwing some good intermdiate passes and took a few shots downfield. That backs the defense off the line of scrimmage. We had a perfect balance of running and passing yesterday. Campbell had a mediocre game. He wasn't bad but he wasn't good either. He defenitely contributed to the win though. In fact I'd give him credit for the first TD and at least a field goal. On the Hunter Smith TD drive he had a nice run for a first down and he took a heck of a shot on the toss to Ganther. He put us in field goal position on that drive. He threw no picks and had no fumbles (that the refs saw anyway).

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

It's unlikely that the Redskins will beat the Cowboys. The Redskins are simply a bad team this year, notwithstanding the win against the now flailing Broncos. However, it's stupid to think it's nearly impossible for the Redskins to beat the Cowboys. They don't say, "any given Sunday" for nutin'.

Posted by: dylanahn | November 17, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"...meaning the Auburn Bamas will be restricted....meaning More Draft Picks for us..."


But who'd want either of them?

Cornerbacks like CR are a dime a dozen.

Inaccurate mobile quarterbacks are, too.

So, you make the choice to keep one, Campbell, and let the other, Rogers, go.

Or: you keep both, pay them to shut up and stay humble, and after a big dinner and media coverage, promote the idea that the team now has a direction.

Choosing to rid yourselves of two 1st round without compensation is hard for most teams.

And it'll be harder for the skins.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

4th, I think you'd struggle getting a warm turd for Los....

pa, JC missed a WIDE-OPEN moss for a td, as well as a WIDE-OPEN yoder close to the goal line...so right there is at least another TD that he missed on...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Also, other than your nose, how can you make a pick in the fabled fearsome matchup of the Lions versus the Browns?

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

We can get maybe 4th for Carlos and a 5th for JC17....There are starting lineman in these rounds.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 1:02 PM

Indeed there are. But do you trust Vinny and Dan to find/draft them?
Yeah, I don't either.
And there's the pickle we find ourselves in if the team wins some games, and the upper management deciderers stay the same...

Posted by: 4-12 | November 17, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't agree with this. How can you just remove 2 TDs from the score because of his 9 incompletions yet not give him any credit for any of the other 27 points? He never gets any credit for doing good yet he gets all the blame for his mistakes. He made several crucial throws on the first TD drive and in the late 4th quarter scoring drives. At the end of the day we finished with more passing yards than rushing yards yet we supposedly won in spite of him. That's pure BS. Campbell was hitting passes to the sidelines all day long. That spreads the defense out and allows the RBs to run through open running lanes. That's WCO. Campbell was also throwing some good intermdiate passes and took a few shots downfield. That backs the defense off the line of scrimmage. We had a perfect balance of running and passing yesterday. Campbell had a mediocre game. He wasn't bad but he wasn't good either. He defenitely contributed to the win though. In fact I'd give him credit for the first TD and at least a field goal. On the Hunter Smith TD drive he had a nice run for a first down and he took a heck of a shot on the toss to Ganther. He put us in field goal position on that drive. He threw no picks and had no fumbles (that the refs saw anyway).

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of this argument, so I'm making this one post and I'm done with it, defend and excuse away after it. JC missed at least 7 wide open throws, two of which were wide open easy TDs. Yoder made a heck of a catch despite being ridiculously wide open he had to dive for it. JC rarely puts the ball "on the frame" of the receiver, they are constantly stretching or making catches behind them or adjusting. The ball is hardly ever on target or hits receivers in stride. He almost missed two easy swing passes to Betts, he did miss one, and the other Betts made a great running fingertips catch to save him. He continues to throw high to receivers over the middle which often turns into deflections or picks (which it has) and he simply cannot hit wide open guys, that's pitiful for an NFL qb. And to say the passing yards were more than the rushing kinda proves how little you know about football. It is hardly ever the case that you have more rushing yards than passing yards once you get past high school football. JC didn't cost us the game, but he did very little to help win it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"It's unlikely that the Redskins will beat the Cowboys."

Define "beat" the Cowboys.

Would you rather beat the Cowboys or lose while watching the redskins' offense play well enough to score the NFL minimum of three touchdowns and a field goal again?

I'd rather lose and see the offense get stronger, Campbell clean up his throws, define roles for the young'n wideouts, and continue using Rock and Ladell for 100 plus yards again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The win against the overrated Denver Broncos was most likely an anomaly, a flash in the pan.

Until we beat Dallas, I am unconvinced that anything substantive has changed.

Sincerely,
Chia Pet

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 17, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

See your point zjfr, but I'd ask this question - Campbell's completion percentage is above average, so all those throws that the other QBs miss; are they to covered receivers and good throws? If one of those quarterbacks was behind center for the Redskins would they complete 100% of their passes?

Not a JC fan particularly myself, but I think it's kind of hard to judge him on the passes that he missed.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"Beat" the Cowboys = Score more points than the Cowboys in either regulation or overtime.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 17, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

pa, JC missed a WIDE-OPEN moss for a td, as well as a WIDE-OPEN yoder close to the goal line...so right there is at least another TD that he missed on...
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 1:08 PM

He also missed Yoder running uncovered down the middle of the field….the replay showed how wide open he was but the commentators didn’t mention it….Campbell didn’t even look at him, although he was under a somewhat heavy rush. But still no excuse for not even seeing a guy running wide open towards the end zone…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 17, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I think I'm hoping for disappointing offense and 7-0 win with the TD come from a sack fumble return by Orakpo. That way we can win and still know we suck enough that Vinny gets fired anyway.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 1:01 PM

Orakpo can't run it in for a TD, Vinny will take credit and we can't have that. A safety by Romo running out of bound in the endzone and the skins win 2-0...everyone's happy.

Posted by: Moose33 | November 17, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Listened to the interview of Dan Dierdorf who was the color man on the broadcast on Sunday and he praised the O-Line as well as Betts. He thought that adding Jones at LT and his playing at that high of a level wasn't something the Redskins coaching staff could have even dreamed of considering how late he was signed. If Jones can stay healthy and Rinehart and Heyer play well on the right side, the line should be at least respectable the rest of the season.

Still hold Vinny accountable for not signing one or two quality veteran backup lineman during training camp knowing the health situations of Samuels and Thomas. Jones was available and could have stepped in back in Week 5 for Samuels. Hope the offense continues to play well and that Zorn goes out on a good note after the season along with Vinny.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 17, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I am really sick and tired of all this Portis bashing. Betts sucks, he has one good game and everyone says we have balance now. It's called being fluke. Betts can not cut, he can only run north/south, and if there is no hole he can't do anything. I know Portis is having a done season, but people let
s stop the crazy talk of getting rid of him. After all he has earned a little bit of respect for being one of our all time leading rushers.

Posted by: PGtoAndover | November 17, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

5th for JC17....There are starting lineman in these rounds.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 1:02 PM


If the skins can't get better than that for a player on the radar of teams like the Rams, Raiders, and Browns, then the skin's FO really would hit an all time low on managing their personnel resources.

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, according to Jim Zorn, JC missing Yoder running uncovered in the middle of the field was no big deal.

Zorn said something to the effect that JC was looking where he was supposed to be looking on that play, and that a number of things went wrong on that play, too many to single out JC for not seeing Yoder, who was standing there, wide open, waving his arms.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 17, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Can't the Redskins beat Dallas twice and still get Vinny fired? I will always root for the Redskins to win, and I hate to rain on the euphoria from last week's game but let me offer this:

-Carlos Rogers has regressed and Smoot is a half step too slow. Tryon is better than he was, but not nearly good enough.

-Laron Landry still makes stupid plays and takes bad angles.

-If Levi Jones were injured - a scenario so oft-repeated that Cincy cut him - then Heyer would be back to left tackle and Batiste would be the right tackle, unless BMW recovers from his ankle sprain. The team still lacks offensive tackle depth.

-Sounds like Zorn wants Portis back in there. I'm actually rooting for Portis to sit out this week.

-Jason Campbell's variation on his long passes is plus or minus three yards. Didn't he display this awesome variability in the game last week? Luckily, he occasionally hits the target...

-Santana Moss has developed Carlos-itis, dropping two key passes last week. We can only hope that he shows up for Dallas like he has done in the past.

-Big Albert has a hurt ankle. With a guy that big do they forego lanacaine for elephant tranquilizers? If Haynesworth sits, Andre Carter reverts to a mere mortal.

I'll be very happy with a Redskins win, but I still don't think they have done enough to develop a comfort level on the offensive line. We're one injury away from having a broken shutter offensive line again.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 17, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:

"When Clinton is ready to come back, he will step in as our starting running back and we’ll take it from there," Zorn said. "This is what we’ve been doing in the first part of the season – Clinton is our first and second down back and Ladell our third down back."

Zorn hinted that Betts' role could include second down work or playing an entire possession to relieve Portis.

The Portis Practice Issue came up again. Zorn has always been of the belief that practice equals better game performance.

"The things I've been frustrated is that Clinton’s been injured a bunch and hasn’t been practiced," he said. "To me, practice helps a guy. Clinton’s been held back by the lack of practice. That’s frustrating for all of us. It does make a difference to me. He has played pretty well at times when he hasn’t’ practiced very much but I don’t know how many athletes can really do that. It doesn’t work for cohesiveness of a unit in my mind."

Zorn said the final decision on Portis playing "won’t have so much to do with me personally because I want to see him out there. It would be prudent based on some of the negative things around a concussion to err on the cautious. ... I want to make sure we do right by him and our football team. That’s why I would doubt I would put him out there right now."

*Tight end Chris Cooley (ankle) will return to the doctor on Monday.

"Hopefully he’ll get out of this boot and he’ll be able to put some pressure on it," Zorn said. "If that does not happen and he has to go another week, I have to look at it and see what I might have to do."

At this point, injured reserve is a real possiblity for Cooley.

*Zorn said he intends to talk with cornerback Carlos Rogers about his benching.

"I would suspect that any guy that got taken out of a game, is going to have a hard time," Zorn said. "I think it’s a blip in his career a little bit. He’ll be back. The thing I’m going to visit with him about is wait until you get that next chance. I had the same conversation with Chris Horton and he worked his way back. It can happen for Carlos. Will this help him? I hope it does."

So JZ has been the coach of this team for 25 games, and is just now getting around to the realization that mayb he needs to use Betts more.........I have nothing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Don't make too much sense there, Andover - they'll lambaste ya...

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 17, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Greg...If we don't get any value for them, we keep them at their restricted offers...JC17 backs up or starts until the rookie is ready. CR22 can play 3rd CB....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

On the positive side,

-Levi Jones looked pretty good in his first game as a Redskin.

-The triplets are getting better.

-Ladell Betts is healthier and even if Portis comes in, he is not going to be carrying the full load unless he tears it up.

-Orakpo is going against Dallas' backup right tackle. If Big Al sits, the pressure will be on Orakpo and Carter to generate a pass rush against multiple blockers.

-The secret weapon, Hunter the Punter, will be active.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 17, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

From Reid:

Though we in the media made fun of your helping out old folks by calling bingo games, implying that you yourself were far too old to handle coming back to the game, and in the process ignored your outstanding resume as a WCO guru....now that you guys are doing well, would you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE come and talk to us?

I hope Sherman Lewis says to "let them eat static", to borrow from Khan of Star Trek fame.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 17, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

CR22 can play 3rd CB....

what about if he's the guy who cleans off the cleats, or who fills the gatorade bottles?? I think he'd be better at these tasks, than actually playing football....

what if he was made head-groundskeeper??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Had to comment on the 1st in pass defense post.

Just a case of stats lying. First, no one has needed to throw the ball a lot against us since we never build up a big lead. Lots of yards come when trying to play catch-up and there has been very little of that vs us this year.

Second, the QBs we have played are not very good. Here are the QBs and where they rank in passer rating.

Third, teams have attempted the 3rd fewest passes against us.

So ... other teams don't throw a lot vs us, the don't bring elite QBs very often and our opponents haven't needed to throw the ball a lot vs us.

On the opposing QB front, it looks like this:

e manning, 14
d mcnabb, 9
m ryan, 20
k orton (1/2 game), 12
c simms (1/2 game), NR
m cassel, 23
m bulger, 25
m stafford, 29
j delhomme, 26
bucs kid, NR

we've played just 2.5 games out of 9 against passers rated in the top half of the league and none in the top 8. None are likely to go to the Pro Bowl. If you look at the stats by looking at total passing yards, the highest rated QB is eli, 14th in passing yards.

Bottom line is the QBs we have played are not among the elite passers in 2009. That is why we are good statistically in pass defense.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, according to Jim Zorn, JC missing Yoder running uncovered in the middle of the field was no big deal.
Zorn said something to the effect that JC was looking where he was supposed to be looking on that play, and that a number of things went wrong on that play, too many to single out JC for not seeing Yoder, who was standing there, wide open, waving his arms.
Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 17, 2009 1:23 PM

I’ll bet Hunter the Punter would have hit him in stride for the TD!

Oh and (not you CHia) um, “Betts sucks”? Really? REALLY? What’s it gonna take? UFB....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 17, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Oye, Gringo mio!

Columbo is out. Why shouldn't we do ok?


....oh that's right... 'cause we suck.

Well, we shouldn't suck so bad and they shouldn't be so good.

I guarantee if we rattle Rdub & the other recs. with hits like last week's we'll do ok.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 17, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

5th for JC17....There are starting lineman in these rounds.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 1:02 PM


If the skins can't get better than that for a player on the radar of teams like the Rams, Raiders, and Browns, then the skin's FO really would hit an all time low on managing their personnel resources.


Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2009 1:22 PM

The problem is...everyone knows we don't want to keep Campbell....it'll be up to Vinny to create that market for him. I don't see us getting anything higher than a 4th rounder for him and 3rd for Carlos.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Division games are the worst for picking, even with a spread. I'm terrified about having to pick on this one (actually, that fear is pretty much chronic everytime I have a choice on the Skins), as well as Texans/Titans, Arizona/St. Louis, and Norv/Belichek Jr. I'm less worried about Jets/Patriots ... unless the spread is at 7, in which case I'm terrified about that one too.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 12:57 PM


Terrified, sween? Really? Terrified?

What, are you picking games for the mafia now or something? ;-)

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of this argument, so I'm making this one post and I'm done with it, defend and excuse away after it. JC missed at least 7 wide open throws, two of which were wide open easy TDs. Yoder made a heck of a catch despite being ridiculously wide open he had to dive for it. JC rarely puts the ball "on the frame" of the receiver, they are constantly stretching or making catches behind them or adjusting. The ball is hardly ever on target or hits receivers in stride. He almost missed two easy swing passes to Betts, he did miss one, and the other Betts made a great running fingertips catch to save him. He continues to throw high to receivers over the middle which often turns into deflections or picks (which it has) and he simply cannot hit wide open guys, that's pitiful for an NFL qb. And to say the passing yards were more than the rushing kinda proves how little you know about football. It is hardly ever the case that you have more rushing yards than passing yards once you get past high school football. JC didn't cost us the game, but he did very little to help win it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse


I'm tired of this argument too. Campbell missed a wide open Moss but Orton missed a wide open Royal. McNabb misses 50% of his passes. You really need to watch more football and really watch other QBs play. BTW, having as many passing yards as rushing yards is defineitely a relevent point when saying that we did not win in spite of our QB. We had about 200 yards passing from JC and the Broncos are only giving up 186 a game. He did his part. He could have played better but we certainly did not win in spite of him. He was just another player out there that contributed to the win. He was once again mediocre.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The win against the overrated Denver Broncos was most likely an anomaly, a flash in the pan.

Until we beat Dallas, I am unconvinced that anything substantive has changed.

Sincerely,
Chia Pet

Posted by: Chia_Pet


Couldn't agree with this more!

I was saying the exact same thing. 'Skins fans at were work were chest-bumping and clowning all the Cowboys fans yesterday.

I'm not satisfied. Just because they won a game for the first time in about a MONTH doesn't mean I'm supposed to forget how they've looked the last 25 games or so.

Sorry for wanting more.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 17, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell missed a wide open Moss but Orton missed a wide open Royal"

pa, are you kidding me?? Orton also hit BM twice when he was wide open, something JC fails to do on a very regular basis, this is Orton's first year working with those receivers. RE-READ the quotes from SANTANA MOSS THAT JC STILL ISN'T ON THE SAME PAGE WITH TANA....are you friggin kidding me??

I mean, are you kidding me??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh and (not you CHia) um, “Betts sucks”? Really? REALLY? What’s it gonna take? UFB....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 17, 2009 1:31 PM


Well, clearly he must suck, or he wouldn't have to practice and work so hard all week.

I mean, his whole performance on Sunday just smacked of effort.

;-)

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

What if Levi Jones plays well to slightly above average? He is obviously talented, a bit injury prone, but good. If he escapes the injury bug, do we resign him? How much to retain his services? Do we neglect drafting a young tackle to go after a glamour QB or RB? What do you think?

Posted by: FedorEm | November 17, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of this argument too. Campbell missed a wide open Moss but Orton missed a wide open Royal. McNabb misses 50% of his passes. You really need to watch more football and really watch other QBs play. BTW, having as many passing yards as rushing yards is defineitely a relevent point when saying that we did not win in spite of our QB. We had about 200 yards passing from JC and the Broncos are only giving up 186 a game. He did his part. He could have played better but we certainly did not win in spite of him. He was just another player out there that contributed to the win. He was once again mediocre.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Give it up, PA. Unless JC goes 25-30 for 325 and 4TD's, no one here is gonna be satisfied. He's average but since he is the QB he's under a microscope and every mistake is replayed and talked about over and over again. I, like you I'm sure, wish he could make that deep pass to Moss. But he is what he is, and as evidenced on Sunday, it can be good enough to win. And as long as we win, I don't care how pretty it is...agreed?

Posted by: mattylight | November 17, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

that's why I made my one post Greg, you simply can't win this argument, no matter how often you point out the number of missed passes, the complete lack of a downfield attack, and how we are perennially one of the least explosive offenses in the league and that the reason JC has such a high completion percentage is because he throws sooooo many checkdowns. I don't know how you can do it but I'd love to see his completion % on throws past 10 yards and compare that to the league, I'm willing to bet a lot of money that his attempts at that level are dramatically lower than average and that his completion % is as well. But don't worry, its all on Vinny and the Oline that JC can't hit an open receiver.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The only thing Betts has shown when he has had to come in and be the man because of an injury to CP is that he is the man. Betts gets it done. Too bad he only gets significant playing time when CP is injured.

Oh, and F dallas!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

oh I forgot, its the multiple systems as well

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Betts' performance was, quite frankly, a shock.

that, and if we do not knock Orton out, we do not win this game.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 17, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

No Campbell is terrible. I wanted him in so bad because Brunell was horrible. I thought he was good but I think the years of Brunell eroded my vision of what a good QB is.
1. Footwork- aweful, woeful, etc
2. Vision- he locks in and just now is spreading the football around a bit. (By the way, there is no way that all 3 Davis, Kelly, THomas all suck. impossible)
3. Overthrows- cant connect on any big plays
4. Yes his O line sucks but there are times that he holds on to the ball too long.

Posted by: PGtoAndover | November 17, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Give it up, PA. Unless JC goes 25-30 for 325 and 4TD's, no one here is gonna be satisfied. He's average but since he is the QB he's under a microscope and every mistake is replayed and talked about over and over again. I, like you I'm sure, wish he could make that deep pass to Moss. But he is what he is, and as evidenced on Sunday, it can be good enough to win. And as long as we win, I don't care how pretty it is...agreed?

Posted by: mattylight | November 17, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I definitely agree. He is mediocre. If he hits that pass to Moss, the second toss to Betts, and doesn't bean Fred Davis with a 100 MPH fastball from 10 feet away then he would have had a great game. I just think it's a little harsh to go from great game to winning in spite of him based on 2-3 plays. I guess it'll always be black or white up here. JC is either Manning or Russel. There just is no middle ground here.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Zorn hinted that Betts' role could include second down work or playing an entire possession to relieve Portis.


I know it would relieve me.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

zj, I mean to bring up orton missing Royal, after he hit 2 for TD's, is just mind boggling.....

so orton was 2/3 for hitting open targets, 2td's...

jc was 0/2, 0 tds

but somehow its the same thing......wha??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

zj, I mean to bring up orton missing Royal, after he hit 2 for TD's, is just mind boggling.....

so orton was 2/3 for hitting open targets, 2td's...

jc was 0/2, 0 tds

but somehow its the same thing......wha??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

exactly, a lot of QBs hit a bomb for a TD once or twice a game. We do it once or twice a season.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

that's why I made my one post Greg, you simply can't win this argument, no matter how often you point out the number of missed passes, the complete lack of a downfield attack, and how we are perennially one of the least explosive offenses in the league and that the reason JC has such a high completion percentage is because he throws sooooo many checkdowns. I don't know how you can do it but I'd love to see his completion % on throws past 10 yards and compare that to the league, I'm willing to bet a lot of money that his attempts at that level are dramatically lower than average and that his completion % is as well. But don't worry, its all on Vinny and the Oline that JC can't hit an open receiver.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

He's tied for 18th at 20+ and tied for 16th in 40+. Once again that's perfectly mediocre. That's not bad for an offensive line that is 30th in pass protection.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Many a Dallas fan lamented that their team did not draft Orakpo.

How fitting would it be for Orakpo to turn out a gem performance against the Cowboys?

Rack's numbers on the year are nice, but it's time to see truly dominating, game changing, highlight reel results.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 17, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Terrified, sween? Really? Terrified?

What, are you picking games for the mafia now or something? ;-)

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2009 1:32 PM

Nope, but there is a nasty monster that lives in my bedroom closet and smacks me in the head for wrong picks involving the use of actual money ... the monster's name is Gamblor (formerly a monkey on Marge Simpson's back).

Actually, the early spread is 11.5 ... so I'll take the points and the Skins on that one. Buccs get 13 on the Saints, so I'll take those points and the Buccs too (though Grilliams is going to blitz the poop out of the new Buccs QB). Jets only get 10.5 for the Patriots (who are now superangry, so I'm sticking with the Pats, points schmoints). The Titans get 3 on the Texans, so I'll take those, the Titans, and a couple of middle fingers. I heart that owner.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Barno1,
You just can't get it right. Last week you picked the Redskins to win and then said you were just kidding and that they would lose. Maybe a week off will help you out my man.

Posted by: hessone | November 16, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse


Redskins will win out and go 10-6 and reach the playoffs. Ok everyone needed a good laugh.

I do think we'll beat Denver though. They're coming off a short week, we're coming off 1 game in 3 weeks. Team from out west playing in east at 1:00. Plus the fact that they have been playing over their heads and we are desperate for a win. All signs point to a Redskins victory on Sunday.


Posted by: Barno1 | November 9, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse


Hessone, maybe a week off will help you remember things more accurately.


Posted by: Barno1 | November 16, 2009 4:33 PM
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Hessone, just ask Barno1 about his University of Maryland vs. Rutgers prediction.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 17, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Think Lavar's hit on Aikman.

Anything less would be unsatisfactory...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 17, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Ok, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. First, the 2 BM TD's were blown coverages where no one was within 15 yards of Marshall. That makes a difference. Second, BM is better than our top 3 WRs combined. And what's the saying about going deep? Long is never wrong? Is Moss really going to win a jump ball at 5 foot 8 and change? I'd rather JC err on the side of overthrow.

The Steelers won with Big Ben in his rookie season, the Ravens won with Trent Dilfer, the Bucs won with Brad Johnson, etc. JC is like 122 on our priority list. A list which has a rat faced looking dude at the top of it...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

KYLE ORTON IS A BUM... ANYBODY CAN HIT WIIIIIIIDDDDDEEEE OPEN RECEIVERS OTHER THEN JASON CAMPBELL. REDSKINS WOULD HAD WON THIS GAME REGARDLESS WHO WAS QB. WHEN YOU HAVE THE RUN GAME WORKING LIKE WE DID IT HARD TO BEAT US.. WHAT!!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | November 17, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is a great QB because Orton missed a wide open receiver. Ya, that's the ticket.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

He's tied for 18th at 20+ and tied for 16th in 40+. Once again that's perfectly mediocre. That's not bad for an offensive line that is 30th in pass protection.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I didn't ask for completed lengths, I can look that up on NFL.com too. That means nothing, those could be screens that bust for 40 yards. What I was saying was JC doesn't attempt to get the ball down field often and rarely ever connects. I was saying if you could find the attempts and completion percentage for throws past 10 yards I think you'd see he is in the bottom of the league in both categories.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Bean,

Orton could have punted the ball to BM on those two plays, and the one he missed was even worse than Campbells, given just how wide open the receiver was.

I think Campbell was a 4-5 out of 10. Yes, he missed Moss (again) deep...he missed Yoder, which was for me much worse, given he threw the ball away. Still, he used his legs to come up with a big play, he stepped up into a collapsing pocket several times and found last minute options that ended up being important plays, and also hit a few sideline passes that were perfectly thrown.

He's an average QB, no more, but he isn't AWFUL. See:

Cleveland
Buffalo
NY Jets (that's right, he stinks as of now)
Detroit (ahem)
Tampa Bay
Carolina (JD stinks.)
Oakland
Miami (maybe just a shade over awful)
Chicago (lol)
San Francisco
Tennessee (need to see more)
KC

For teams that clearly are in a worse QB position as of right now.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 17, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

zj, I mean to bring up orton missing Royal, after he hit 2 for TD's, is just mind boggling.....

so orton was 2/3 for hitting open targets, 2td's...

jc was 0/2, 0 tds

but somehow its the same thing......wha??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

There is a huge difference between the throws to Marshall and the throw to Royal. There was no one on the same side of the field as Marshall. Orton lobbed up 2 ducks and Marshall actually had to stop running to catch one of them. He was trying to hit Royal on the run. That's why he missed Royal and not Marshall. That's why the royal throw and the moss throw are a valid comparison.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest....the playcalling has been better with SHERM LEWIS......

In the 1st 2 games he matched the Redskins highest point total of the 1st 6 games.....and exceeded it the 3rd game.

Give Sherm his props........

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | November 17, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Dwayne Bowe suspended for violating steroids policy
Posted by Mike Florio on November 17, 2009 1:50 PM ET
And just as the Chiefs finally have seen a problem player land with a new team, another promising young player has become a major problem.

Receiver Dwayne Bowe has been suspended four games for violating the league's policy regarding anabolic steroids and related substances.

The team announced the move earlier in the hour. The suspension begins immediately.

The development means that Bowe has exhausted all internal appeals, or opted not to pursue them.

The specific substance for which he tested positive isn't known, and it's possible that the violation occurred in 2008 or earlier. It's also possible that Bowe didn't test positive; some players have been suspended based on evidence of possession of banned substances.

He'll miss games against the Steelers, Chargers, Broncos, and Bills. He'll then return for the final three games of the year, against the Browns, Bengals, and Broncos.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

He's tied for 18th at 20+ and tied for 16th in 40+. Once again that's perfectly mediocre. That's not bad for an offensive line that is 30th in pass protection.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I didn't ask for completed lengths, I can look that up on NFL.com too. That means nothing, those could be screens that bust for 40 yards. What I was saying was JC doesn't attempt to get the ball down field often and rarely ever connects. I was saying if you could find the attempts and completion percentage for throws past 10 yards I think you'd see he is in the bottom of the league in both categories.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse
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If your thesis is unprovable, then it means nothing. That's like me saying that the universe is exactly 10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10 miles long and since no one can prove me wrong - I'm a genius.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

is this some bizzaro world stuff or what...

so orton hits 2 long passes to a wide open BM...thats negated because he was wide open...

I just don't get this logic...its really fascinating....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the early spread is 11.5 ... so I'll take the points and the Skins on that one. Buccs get 13 on the Saints, so I'll take those points and the Buccs too (though Grilliams is going to blitz the poop out of the new Buccs QB). Jets only get 10.5 for the Patriots (who are now superangry, so I'm sticking with the Pats, points schmoints). The Titans get 3 on the Texans, so I'll take those, the Titans, and a couple of middle fingers. I heart that owner.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 1:51 PM

** Coffee Flats Alert **

I smell burnt decaf here. Sween's in the lead, and he's messing with our heads anyway. A hearty, double Bud Adams back atcha, pal!

** End Coffee Flats ***

Posted by: 4-12 | November 17, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I agree re the Portis bashing.

We're going to need help from everyone - including Portis - to get a winning streak going.

It won't be this week, but my guess is he'll contribute again before the season is over.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 17, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

JC is either Manning or Russel. There just is no middle ground here.

You, my friend, have a lust for medium. Which is a felony Up Here.

Posted by: daggar | November 17, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

RE-READ the quotes from SANTANA MOSS THAT JC STILL ISN'T ON THE SAME PAGE WITH TANA ... are you friggin kidding me??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 1:36 PM

Moss has been dropping balls that touched his hands all season. In theory, he's the #1 receiver. On Sunday, he was 2 catches of 4 thrown, same with Devin Thomas. JC also only hit Betts half the time, 1 for 2. Better with ARE, 3 for 4. Davis caught 4 of the 6 throws he got. Everybody else caught what was thrown to them, Cartwright (2), Kelly, Sellers, Ganther, and Yoder.

Moss' under bus tossing of his QB is called "transference". Based on results, why isn't Moss the slot receiver with Thomas and Kelly getting more throws? Oh yeah, past seasonss' results, biggest contract, friends with Portis (The Owner's BFF). If the QB is not on the same page as his #1 receiver, then someone the QB is on the same page with should be the #1 receiver.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

WHEN WE BEAT THEM BOYS THIS WEEKEND WATCH HOW EVERYBODY JUMP BACK ON THE SHIP. YA'LL FAKE REDSKINS FANS STAY OFF OUR NATION AND SHIP. YES, DANNY BOY AND VINNY ARE TERRIBLE BUT AS A RESKINS FAN DON'T YOU WANT TO WIN SOME GAMES PEEPS. DOESNT IT FEEL GOOD THAT WE DONT HAVE TO TALK ABOUT HOW OUR TEAM HAD A BAD PERFORMANCE? REDSKINS 4 LIFE!!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | November 17, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

is this some bizzaro world stuff or what...

so orton hits 2 long passes to a wide open BM...thats negated because he was wide open...

I just don't get this logic...its really fascinating....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

That's because you're above it all, Bean. You know everything, and the rest of us are the village idiots...

Posted by: mattylight | November 17, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

If your thesis is unprovable, then it means nothing. That's like me saying that the universe is exactly 10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10 miles long and since no one can prove me wrong - I'm a genius.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Matt, its very provable, they flash info like that all the time in games on graphics, I just don't know where to go to get the info.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest ....

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | November 17, 2009 1:59 PM

Honesty has no place up here.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I'd also like to see some nastiness this Sunday against the Boys. Not stupid out-of-bounds hits like Landry put on Matt Ryan, but just a general HATRED for the opponent.

I believe the Dallas secondary is populated with wimps; Jenkins is a joke, and Newman isn't much better.

I'd like to see Doc Walker meet with the tall Redskins receivers (Devin, Malcolm, Sleepy, Marko) and coach them on being beasts against Dallas' rubber-spined corners. Push 'em around.

I don't just want the Redskins to beat Dallas; I want them to destroy Dallas - and perhaps their season.

Let's do it!

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 17, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

ml, yeah, thanks, sorry for using the logical/thinking part of my brain, I'll go and lobotomize myself so I can understand things....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

By bad mouthing Moss (and his under bus throwing of his QB), I'm only bad mouthing Moss, not pimping for Campbell. I haven't decided yet about Campbell. If he's healthy, I'm starting him against Dallas. [I say this as arm chair coach ... last week, I dropped him as my FF QB ....]

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

No question, Campbell has not thrown the deep ball well this year. Guys have been open enough to make it happen. I still think much of it has to do with they way they prepare on game day. Take the time to throw deep in warm-ups to improve the timing. Campbell usually is better in the second half, he needs to get into a rhythm earlier in games.

Find out how to make that better and the offense will improve a bunch.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

If your thesis is unprovable, then it means nothing. That's like me saying that the universe is exactly 10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10 miles long and since no one can prove me wrong - I'm a genius.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Matt, its very provable, they flash info like that all the time in games on graphics, I just don't know where to go to get the info.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse
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Research 101. If you can't prove it, you can't use it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

But i still want to know; other quaterbacks don't miss wide open receivers? Or are all other quarteback's missed passes the result of a tipped ball, the wind blowing the pass, rushing linebackers, bad route running, etc.?

You've got JC under a microscope, yeah, you're going to see everything.

He's mediocre.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

No question, Campbell has not thrown the deep ball well this year. Guys have been open enough to make it happen. I still think much of it has to do with they way they prepare on game day. Take the time to throw deep in warm-ups to improve the timing. Campbell usually is better in the second half, he needs to get into a rhythm earlier in games.

Find out how to make that better and the offense will improve a bunch.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse
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Bring back Mark 'Legally-Blind-Closer-Than-25-Yards' Rypien...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Research 101. If you can't prove it, you can't use it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

moron 101

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest....the playcalling has been better with SHERM LEWIS......

In the 1st 2 games he matched the Redskins highest point total of the 1st 6 games.....and exceeded it the 3rd game and with backup talent on the field.

Give Sherm his props........

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | November 17, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't just want the Redskins to beat Dallas; I want them to destroy Dallas - and perhaps their season.
Let's do it!
Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 17, 2009 2:12 PM

In my head when I read this I pictured Joe from Family Guy screaming it……..especially the “Let’s do it!” part. Aaaaawesome!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 17, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Research 101. If you can't prove it, you can't use it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

moron 101

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse
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Considering I just pillaged your unsupportable position, forgive me for not taking offense.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

is this some bizzaro world stuff or what...

so orton hits 2 long passes to a wide open BM...thats negated because he was wide open...

I just don't get this logic...its really fascinating....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse
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Negated? No, those points count...but you don't claim that Orton is good QB because he can hit a target that was so open he could have punted him the ball.

Before I would give Orton credit, I would credit BM, CR, and LL.

Campbell is average. That would mean he has good plays here, and bad plays there...and that is exactly what he has. He's just okay.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 17, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Or are all other quarteback's missed passes the result of a tipped ball, the wind blowing the pass, rushing linebackers, bad route running, etc.?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2009 2:14 PM

With Eli Manning, the problem is that his brain doesn't get enough oxygen when he sleeps ... so he's groggy ... its very common among mouth breathing QBs.

With Tom Brady, apparently its an intervention by God to show mercy on the other team.

With Peyton Manning, its because he decided he wanted competitors to keep trying, so he occasionally throws bad passes on purpose.

With Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco, it was the wrong call to begin with.

With Drew Brees, its the receivers' fault.

With Phillip Rivers, its because Norv is the coach.

With Brady Quinn, its caused by being snapped the ball.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Zorn: "The way we're doing it is working"
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 17, 2009 2:15 PM ET
Redskins coach Jim Zorn isn't ready to say he's happy that he had playcalling duties stripped from him. But after the Redskins beat the Broncos 27-17 on Sunday, Zorn is ready to say things are working on offense.

"Well, I mean, we're moving the ball," Zorn said today on ESPN 980, per Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post. "We've got our game plan in. The way we're doing it is working, and so we'll continue to do that."

The 27 points the Redskins scored Sunday were 10 more than they had scored in any previous game this season, and Zorn concedes that the offense played well. But he avoided the question of whether he's comfortable with the arrangement that has offensive consultant Sherm Lewis and offensive coordinator Sherman Smith collaborating on the playcalling and leaving Zorn out of the loop.

"I think [Lewis] feels more comfortable in the preparation, he feels more comfortable because he knows the terminology, the way we're doing things," Zorn said. "Sherman Smith is also calling the run game, but yet Sherm Lewis is making the decision when to run, and so it's working."

So what is Zorn's role?

"I've chimed in in these critical situations, where I say, 'Hey, wait a minute, here's what I want, no I don't want that, I want this.' For however it's been going, it's worked," Zorn said.

It's a little pathetic to hear a head coach describe his contribution to his team's first win in more than a month as "chiming in," but the fact that the Redskins got that win means that, for a week anyway, it is working.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"If one of those quarterbacks was behind center for the Redskins would they complete 100% of their passes?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston"

That's pretty much the consensus up here on RI.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Matt, its very provable, they flash info like that all the time in games on graphics, I just don't know where to go to get the info.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

See, he misses a lot of the 20+ throws but he hits Randle El and Cooley underneath for 10 yards a lot. I'd think you'd want to go at least 15+ to prove your point or else those passes to Cooley and Rande El would throw off that percentage.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Considering I just pillaged your unsupportable position, forgive me for not taking offense.

Did you hear the lamentations of his women, or more appropriately, the wailing of his children?

Posted by: daggar | November 17, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

@ dcsween

Peyton was throwing up some quackers Sunday night. Had he thrown those ducks in Cowboys Stadium I think the Orbital Screen would have gotten shot up.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Considering I just pillaged your unsupportable position, forgive me for not taking offense.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

what exactly did you pillage? I asked a question (can we find the info?) and submitted an opinion (that he sucks more than most at throwing down field). Your response was to say that the info doesn't exist and that its unprovable. I said I think its info that's out there but I'm not a statistician and don't know where to go to get it, you acted like an idiot again saying research 101 crap.

If I had said based on my research Campbell completes 11% of his throws past 10 yards and you had found evidence to the contrary then congrats you win. I asked a question and submitted an opinion you turned it into a thesis situation, you're a moron....

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

... Peyton was throwing up some quackers Sunday night. ...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 2:25 PM

Yeah, those were on purpose ... he's going to be endorsing some duck-related products in the offseason ...

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Until we beat Dallas, I am unconvinced that anything substantive has changed."

This suggests that Dallas is somehow all that.

Why give them swag they ain'y earned?

I'm more interested in if the offense can sustain drives, scores, run effectively, block on plassing plays, and continue spreading the ball around to multiple pass catchers.

Even if we lose to Dallas, we gain in that scenario as maintaining gradual offensive production for the long term outweighs the temporary feeling of winning.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"After ya'll made fun of me calling me the 'bingo caller'. I'm just trying to volunteer to help our senior citizens. You said I was too old...the game has passed me by...Hell naw, I ain't talkin' to the media!...Kiss my azz!
- Sherman Lewis

Posted by: rickyroge | November 17, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"but you don't claim that Orton is good QB because he can hit a target that was so open he could have punted him the ball"

Ok, agreed, however using that logic...

if the above doesn't make Orton a good qb, for hitting wide open players, what does it say about JC, that given the same circumstances he MISSED the wide open players...

if orton isn't a good qb for hitting open guys, would that mean that JC is a lousy qb for missing wide open guys??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

How many come-from-behind victories has JC led us on as a Redkskin?

Posted by: rickyroge | November 17, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

By bad mouthing Moss (and his under bus throwing of his QB), I'm only bad mouthing Moss, not pimping for Campbell. I haven't decided yet about Campbell. If he's healthy, I'm starting him against Dallas. [I say this as arm chair coach ... last week, I dropped him as my FF QB ....]

Posted by: dcsween

just reinforcing my belief that FF isn't for the sane ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

How many come-from-behind victories has JC led us on as a Redkskin?

Posted by: rickyroge

quite a few ... 2 this year (Tampa/Den)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Look at this stat under the column 1st % ...

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2009&seasonType=REG&statisticPositionCategory=QUARTERBACK&d-447263-o=2&qualified=true&tabSeq=1&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_FIRST_DOWN_PERCENTAGE&d-447263-n=1

Does this mean Campbell leads the league in completing a pass on 1st down? Or that the Skins lead the league in converting on first down?

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm liking our pass rush vs romo. flozell looks over the hill and colombo is out for the year after breaking a leg on Sunday. If Albert is OK to play in the middle, I can see a ton of pressure -- the key is to make sure romo doesn't escape the pressure.

Then its up to the secondary to play well ... gulp

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

How many come-from-behind victories has JC led us on as a Redkskin?

Posted by: rickyroge | November 17, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse
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All 3 of our wins this year were of the come from behind variety...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Even if we lose to Dallas, we gain in that scenario as maintaining gradual offensive production for the long term outweighs the temporary feeling of winning.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 2:29 PM

Moe, I'm with the but your whole delayed gratification thing isn't a big seller up here.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

No one is excusing JC for missing on the deep passes to Moss. However, in the Denver game, I think it was pretty obvious that while Moss had a few steps on his defender and clearly had him beat, Marshall was 15-20 yards (basically in another zip code) past anyone on both of his TD catches. Now, if we can't agree that one throw is easier than the other, no point in going any further...

Posted by: mattylight | November 17, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"if the above doesn't make Orton a good qb, for hitting wide open players, what does it say about JC, that given the same circumstances he MISSED the wide open players..."

the last time a Redskins WR was that wide open was Mike Sellers for the Hunter Smith TD. Before that, it was Devin Thomas' first unofficial TD at Arizona last season that was called back because of a Heyer personal foul after the play.

The pass JC missed to Moss was equivalent to the pass Orton missed to Royal, both of which would have been TDs had they been hit in stride (as in a WR that had a step on his DB). JC has also hit a couple of them this season, once against TB, once at DET.

You hit some, you miss some. Every QB does it. JC isn't special, but he's not nearly the QB some of the idiots on this board are making him out to be.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Oh, oh - are we bashing Campbell again? Can I play?

From where I am sitting, Campbell had an okay game on Sunday. They got just enough from him to win. Certainly, he benefited from a running back who was having success and an offensive line that was keeping the heat off of him, but he didn't make any really stupid plays.

Having said that, this was one game of many where Campbell hasn't looked good. The tale of the season will be based on the combined performances and not just one game. This is a guy who was benched - what - two games ago? This is a guy who was three yards past the line of scrimmage in one game and threw the football. This is the guy who threw three interceptions and fumbled twice in one game. Even this past week, there was the stupid intentional grounding play and the play where he overthrew a wide open receiver. He is inaccurate on every deep pass and, though he has far more accuracy with the short stuff, he still has issues with how hard to throw it (case in point, the one screen pass he threw in Sunday's game).

Campbell is not the suckiest QB in the league as long as the Raiders - and maybe a few other teams - are still playing. I think the Redskins can win with him, but they have to limit what they ask him to do. Sunday's game was a good example of using Campbell well.

And I still think they would be more successful with Collins...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 17, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Bills have fired Dick Jauron. Why can't we fire our head coach? The glorified clipboard holder that has the best seat in the house and gets to address the media after games with incoherent comments.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 17, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

A good QB makes plays when given the opportunity. A good QB makes defenses pay for stacking the box or blitzing. It doesn't have to happen all the time of course, but more often times then not. I haven't seen JC do that in quite a while, and it's very frustrating, that for several yrs now, he still can't hit open WR's down the field. Especially since his specialty is having a strong arm. I've never seen a QB miss open WR's down the field as frequently as he does - its mind boggling.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 17, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to know what JC 3rd down completion rate, and red zone percentages are since Sherm Lewis took over. Did you guys realize that JC was 9 for 9 in the second half last game? The team was trailing and JC was 100% on completions. I think play calling and half time adjustments have been really very good the last two games.

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Thing is JC hasn't hit a WR in stride on a deep ball. Maybe I'm forgetting one, but I don't recall any. If nothing else, its rare.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"Does this mean Campbell leads the league in completing a pass on 1st down? Or that the Skins lead the league in converting on first down?

Posted by: dcsween"

It means he leads the league in the percentage of his passes that result in a first down.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

natsfan, shouldn't you be at the dojo, learning to sweep the leg, or wax on, wax off??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I was just checking out some of the Skins highlights from last season on NFL.com, and we had a lot of very creative and successful red zone pass plays for TDs last year. Wonder where all those went this year and if Zorn ever goes back for a look-see. Might be worth his while.

Posted by: quinn3 | November 17, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

You hit some, you miss some. Every QB does it. JC isn't special, but he's not nearly the QB some of the idiots on this board are making him out to be.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 2:39 PM

I'm coming around to the "he's mediocre" vibe too ... taking this "stay medium" thing too seriously, esp. as it relates to his stats. I would like to figure out what that 1st down percentage stat means though. Does it means that the Skins just dial up a pass play on first down that often (like the screens for a gain of no yards)?

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Bills have fired Dick Jauron. Why can't we fire our head coach? The glorified clipboard holder that has the best seat in the house and gets to address the media after games with incoherent comments.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 17, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

At the end of the year someone has to take the fall, and isnt going to be Cerrato.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 17, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! Good one Beantown. That's tomorrow. I'll be pumping this jam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qae_TUTeGo

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 17, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

It means he leads the league in the percentage of his passes that result in a first down.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 2:43 PM

Yeah. What about 1st down TD passes over 40 yards?

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

All this talk about HC position, OC and DC...

This is all whatifs...I thought Blache had to be talked out of retirement to return this year...dont know if he will be back, same for S. Lewis.

Is Gray ready to be a HC, I dont know enough about him? Maybe DC, but not HC in my mind, but again, I do not know enough about Gray.

I still think someone like a Cowher, Holmgren, whoever would consider this job, as screwed up as it is, I still think someone would want this position. One of the wealthiest franchises, national spotlight and opportunity to build a legacy.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 17, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

natsfan, shouldn't you be at the dojo, learning to sweep the leg, or wax on, wax off??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

LMAO Greg....

Posted by: ksquare | November 17, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Thing is JC hasn't hit a WR in stride on a deep ball. Maybe I'm forgetting one, but I don't recall any. If nothing else, its rare.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

He hit Moss in stride vs. New Orleans last year. That's probably the last time.

Posted by: quinn3 | November 17, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Bills have fired Dick Jauron. Why can't we fire our head coach?

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 17, 2009 2:41 PM

Because the Skins just won a game and The Owner is not pissed off because of getting the double middle fingers from the opposing owner.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

He hit Moss in stride vs. New Orleans last year. That's probably the last time.

Posted by: quinn3 | November 17, 2009 2:50 PM

Tampa this year.

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Pa
I'll jump in here with all the JC chatter....with JC who has proven he is a starting level NFL QB...a game manager, a little above average call it what you want...but the point is he is really not a threat or a difference maker...to get to that level he needs to make just one or two big throws a game...the question is can he..... the jury I would say is mostly in he has started 40 something games and I don't rembember saying to myself that was a defining game or throw in his whole career..he is rarely copmpletely awful but has never been great at any time....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | November 17, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Ware: I'll get Free ready for Redskins

November 17, 2009, 1:40 PM

By: Tim MacMahon

Head coach Wade Phillips hasn't stated publicly that Doug Free will replace injured right tackle Marc Colombo in the starting lineup.

However, the man who practices against Free every day expects free to get the job. And Pro Bowl pass rusher DeMarcus Ware promises to help Free prepare for the Washington Redskins, who feature two of the league's top 10 sacks leaders in DE Andre Carter and OLB Brian Orakpo.

Most of Free's work in practice this season has come as the left tackle on the scout team, pitting him against the NFL's reigning sacks leader. That work has Ware believing that Free will be fine as a starter on the other side.

"He stops me a lot in practice," Ware said after serving meals to folks at The Salvation Army's Carr P. Collins Social Services Center in Dallas as part of the Cowboys' annual early Thanksgiving charity outing. "To be honest, Doug is really good. I think it's all about him getting in there and getting confidence."

Ware vows that he'll take scout-team reps across from Free this week. Ware wants to make sure that Free, a fourth-round pick in 2007, is as prepared as possible for his first NFL start.

"Make sure he's ready," Ware said. "There's nothing that he's not going to see. He's going to see the real thing in practice."

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

no, you're right zce - one of the reasons I don't like Campbell as the quarterback...he's mediocre

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah. What about 1st down TD passes over 40 yards?

Posted by: TWISI"

I don't know about them two together, but on first down, Campbell is 59 of 92, 854 yards, 9.28 YPC, 4 TDs, 0 INTs, and a 109.7 rating.

Hint to Zorn/Smith/Lewis...throw on first down.

Also, on 40+ yard attempts (where the ball travels 40+ yards), he's 1 for 4 with a TD.

But from 31-40 yards, he's 0 for 5 with an INT.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Probably the dirty little secret is that Sherm Lewis is responsible for getting the sound working on the headsets. Everything else, STAT.

Posted by: Xlnt | November 17, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

He hit Moss in stride vs. New Orleans last year. That's probably the last time.

Posted by: quinn3 | November 17, 2009 2:50 PM

Tampa this year.

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

and detroit, but I stand by my earlier statement, most qb's in the league hit a deep bomb once or twice a game, we hit one once or twice a season. in fact most of our longest plays are screens or broken tackles and yards after the catch. i'd be interested to know how many safeties in the league fear JC, I bet its a short list.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Realness1 | November 17, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Rather, Everything else, STET.

Posted by: Xlnt | November 17, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

natsfan, shouldn't you be at the dojo, learning to sweep the leg, or wax on, wax off??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

How dare you disrespect a Shaolin master like that?

I would still like to see JC roll out more, have a chance to set his feet, and fling it deep to Moss. Despite frequent drops, Moss still is a hell of a deep threat and Dallas's ball hawking safety is out this game. Hopefull they take advantage of that. Another thing I don't understand: after the great double move by Moss against Philly where JC pump faked but didn't throw the ball to him, I would think the coaches would of seen that on film and tried it again in the next games. But I don't think they have. Would be nice to do it against Newman.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 17, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

B/c dick jauron ain't wicked good like jim zorn that's why he got fired.

Posted by: bhoang888 | November 17, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

He hit Moss in stride vs. New Orleans last year. That's probably the last time.

Posted by: quinn3 | November 17, 2009 2:50 PM

Tampa this year.

Posted by: TWISI

Thanks, didn't see the Tampa game.

In any case, it is pretty rare for JC to hit a WR on a deep ball in stride. Lots of misses. The way to get good at it is to do it several times a game. You risk incompletions and INTs, but its an investment. Once the QB finds his touch on the deep ball, lots of things can open up.

The talent is there, Campbell has the arm. But throwing to 10 different receivers isn't likely to get him into a rhythm with any of them.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Also, on 40+ yard attempts (where the ball travels 40+ yards), he's 1 for 4 with a TD.

But from 31-40 yards, he's 0 for 5 with an INT.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

thank you ps, that means combined passes over 30 yards he's 1 for 9 with a TD and a INT. 9 attempts in 9 games!?!?!

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

He hit Moss in stride vs. New Orleans last year. That's probably the last time.

Posted by: quinn3 | November 17, 2009 2:50 PM

Tampa this year.

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2009 2:52 PM
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That makes him 1 for 9?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 17, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Zoen was on 980 today with Kevin Sheehan and hairy,whiny voiced Thom Loverro. I did not hear much of the interview but afterwards Sheehan and Loverro commented they could tell Zorn was still worried about the O line - especially against the Cowboys.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"but you don't claim that Orton is good QB because he can hit a target that was so open he could have punted him the ball"

Ok, agreed, however using that logic...

if the above doesn't make Orton a good qb, for hitting wide open players, what does it say about JC, that given the same circumstances he MISSED the wide open players...

if orton isn't a good qb for hitting open guys, would that mean that JC is a lousy qb for missing wide open guys??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse
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I would not call JC's miss nearly the same as if Orton has missed BM on those throws, but that's okay...I will revise:

"but you don't claim that Orton had a good GAME...."

I think JC misses some open plays he shouldn't, with both his eyes sometimes and his throws on others. I think he does that enough that it takes him out of the discussion of being a good QB. I think he does make enough plays other times that it takes him out of the discussion of being a lousy QB. I think in this game, he pretty much summed himself up: missing some big throws, coming up with some nice plays also.

I would not in any case consider JC to have played a great half of football if he had performed as Orton had in the first half. Those plays could have failed only if BM dropped the ball, and I would say the same if it were Moss.

...the bottom line is, many folks that are fans but dislike Campball magnify his mistakes - which of course are easy to see - but discount or gloss over his nice throws and improvisions.

He's average, the way I see it. I better O line may improve that, but we'll see.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 17, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 17, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

lisa, they need to continue with this type of offense, so that Dallas doesn't pin its ears back, and get after the qb. Run the ball, keep dallas off balance....I trust Sherm...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Report: Bills fire Dick Jauron
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on November 17, 2009 2:40 PM ET
Bills head coach Dick Jauron won't be allowed to finish 7-9 for a fourth straight season.

NFL Network's Jason La Canfora reports the BiIls have fired Jauron. Defensive coordinator Perry Fewell is expected to replace Jauron on an interim basis.

There was a report earlier Tuesday that Ryan Fitzpatrick was expected to take over the starting job from Trent Edwards despite Edwards being healthy. Jauron was often a staunch public supporter of Edwards, but it's unclear if the quarterback situation had anything to do with the coaching change.

Jauron finishes 24-33 in three and a half seasons as Bills coach.

We'll have more on this story as it becomes available

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Watched soup for 8 years: Does not consistently read a D and deliver the ball on time (5-12 in the last 17). That type of QB should not start for my favorite pro team since I want them to win.

Posted by: Realness1 | November 17, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Late^^^

Posted by: RedDMV | November 17, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Campbell can be a good QB if the team is willing to invest in him ... and the offense ... properly.

That includes the obvious, a better OL or leaving guys in who can pick-up the 'd' guys that get past the OL (thinking Yoder).

It includes using him from the shotgun, he does throw better from that formation.

It also includes giving JC some plays where if things don't work out, you are willing to consider it an investment. Deep throws are like that. Do it often enough with the same guys going deep and he'll get it. Maybe it takes 10 deep throws over 2 games to lock in, but he'll get it. But if you only take 1-2 shots per game and its different WRs each time, then he'll struggle.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Wise vs Korn

Nice change to the talk going on here re the Auburn duo.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/11/wise_responds_to_kornheiser_at.html

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

CP on the John Thompson show all but ruled himself out of this week's game. He said there is no need to rush back with the way the other backs are playing. He'll take time to heal and to make sure that his injury won't be recurring.

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Late^^^

Posted by: RedDMV | November 17, 2009 3:07 PM

You should have asked Moms why I was late....I ain't no 15 minute man....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

...the bottom line is, many folks that are fans but dislike Campball magnify his mistakes - which of course are easy to see - but discount or gloss over his nice throws and improvisions.

He's average, the way I see it. I better O line may improve that, but we'll see.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 17, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

His nice throws are usually for less then 15 yds. His misses are usually over 30 yds. That's why his mistakes are more glaring then his good plays.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 17, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I thought Campbell was mentally done following the TB first half debacle, and then after his KC performance. But since then, he's rebounded nicely and continues to show that if he's surrounded properly offensively, he can be a fine starting QB. I continue to see a team like Carolina, Minnesota, or Tennessee taking a chance on him, and being successful (Tennessee maybe not if VY proves himself this year).

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I still get chill bumps everytime I see this clip. Someday we will return to the glory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW8aXD9I300

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 17, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"Would you rather beat the Cowboys twice this year and end up with Cerrato for next year or would you rather have two losses to the Girls and have Cerrato gone?"
----------------------------------
The easy answer is: take the short-term pain for the long-term gain.

However, I'm conflicted--I want the Redskins to once and for all wipe the vermin that are the Dallas Cowpukes off the face of the earth. I want Wade Phillips beaten so badly his old man will feel it. I want Romo hit so hard it will rearrange his chromosomes. I want that strip club VIP lounge of a stadium to collapse down around the ears of the owner and I want every history book expunged of any reference to that miserable team.

Just remember..it wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor and it's not over now. Nedermeyer, Marmalard, Cerrato...they're all gonna get it.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | November 17, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

twis, good to hear, CP needs to shut it down....start fresh in 2010...fresh, being in shape that is...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Late^^^

Posted by: RedDMV | November 17, 2009 3:07 PM

You should have asked Moms why I was late....I ain't no 15 minute man....

Posted by: 4thFloor


Well, you know, I would. But I had your sister on my brain. And for that 15 minute stuff, I guess all those 45 minute sessions in the bathroom with the Jet Beauty of the Week finally paid off.

Congrats to you.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 17, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Nats - Always loved the commentary "Joe Gibbs looks.....like he's going to have a heart attack"

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 17, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

His nice throws are usually for less then 15 yds. His misses are usually over 30 yds. That's why his mistakes are more glaring then his good plays.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 17, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I think we need more deep passes now that we have the protection. You have to admit that some of those deep passes were dropped. I remember Moss dropping 2 and Devin Thomas dropping 1. We only have 9 deep passes this year to try to judge from. We need more. Once a game isn't nearly enough. With pass pro and receivers now we can actually start to guage him a little better.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Journalism about journalism?

...egh.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 17, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

CP on the John Thompson show all but ruled himself out of this week's game. He said there is no need to rush back with the way the other backs are playing. He'll take time to heal and to make sure that his injury won't be recurring.
Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2009 3:11 PM

I thought I heard them say on Sportsrise this morning that he still has some blurry vision from his concussion….I’m no doctor, but 8 days after the fact and you still can’t see right? That would seem pretty troubling to me…..maybe more to this than meets the


wait for it


eye?

Thank you......

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 17, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to you to....My sister is as dirty as they can get....You noticed those bumps on her lips? Well....They weren't cold sores.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"His nice throws are usually for less then 15 yds. His misses are usually over 30 yds. That's why his mistakes are more glaring then his good plays.

Posted by: ga8085"

I'd say the fact that the entire offense has been inept (save for Sunday) is the reason his mistakes are so glaring. But when you have a RB getting over 100 yards and a TD, those mistakes aren't so big because that's not the ONLY hope the team has of scoring. When everything else sucks and he overthrows a WR, he's the main culprit, but when other things are working, he's just another hit-or-miss QB on those throws, which most QBs are.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 17, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Ah go head, joe... Who said I was anywhere near her grill?

Backshots, homie.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 17, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

when other things are working, he's just another hit-or-miss QB on those throws, which most QBs are.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse
If it's a tie ball game late in the 4th, and JC executes one of his patented deep ball overthrows, I wouldn't call that just another hit or miss. That could be the ball game. What separates good QB's from crappy ones, is that the good QB can make the throws when the chance arises.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 17, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse


Guys!!!!!!!


It's Dallas week!

we need to beat those guys

we can beat those guys

we will beat those guys

GO SKINS!!!!!!!!

Posted by: skinsbacker | November 17, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

OMG.....the arguing about Jason Campbell is ridiculous. He is not Manning or Brady or Brees, but then again not many guys are.

Let Betts start, get the run game going then everything else will come.

And hopefully Thomas and Mitchell will be split wide with Santana in the slot a few times.

Yoder being in as a great blocking tight end also helps, guys feed off of that.

Prediction: I won't make one because they always backfire

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 17, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

you 2 bama's wanna take your slap/hair pulling fight to the dojo where it belongs...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry Red....I'll tell her to send you some of free samples of Valtrax...LMAO...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Let Betts start, get the run game going then everything else will come.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 17, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Wrong. If Dallas puts 8 in the box to stop Betts, guess what? Its going to be on JC to make them pay.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 17, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

This place was bad enough yesterday with the kung fu fighting biiatches. Now the darkies are threatening each other like left over actors from Boyz N Da Hood. I tell ya if it ain't the trailer boyz, mick's, hebe's, spooks, chinkies, and spicz....it's always the darkies.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | November 17, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd say the fact that the entire offense has been inept (save for Sunday) is the reason his mistakes are so glaring. But when you have a RB getting over 100 yards and a TD, those mistakes aren't so big because that's not the ONLY hope the team has of scoring. When everything else sucks and he overthrows a WR, he's the main culprit, but when other things are working, he's just another hit-or-miss QB on those throws, which most QBs are.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

That's a pretty sound and solid opinion. I mostly agree with you. When Portis was playing the only hope was the passing game and JC is not good enough to carry a team.

People repeatedly say on here that JC isn't a major problem and we can win with him if we build up everything around him. And then they use the Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, and other not great QBs that have snuck in and won a superbowl. While I agree with the premise I think it is extremely hard to build a great oline, great receiving corps, great backs, and great TEs and keep them together to have any kind of sustained success. IMO we are better off trying to build a sound oline and find an elite QB then we are trying to build an elite 52 man roster to enable a mediocre QB to be a consistent winner. It seems to me in the salary cap era, and with free agency its very very hard to build a top to bottom strong roster to make up for a below average QB. IF I were a GM I'd worry about three things, I want a great coach, a great QB, and a good deep oline, if I have those three things I'll be in contention every year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN on Cowboys OL woes:

"With Cowboys right tackle Marc Colombo possibly out for the rest of the season with a broken left fibula, we're about to see what former North Illinois great Doug Free has to offer. Everyone has talked about his potential since he was taken in the fourth round of the '07 draft, but we've never seen him take that onto the field.

Dallas Morning News columnist Jean-Jacques Taylor says it's time to take off the training wheels and let Free replace Colombo in the lineup. The Cowboys haven't been good at drafting and developing offensive linemen over the past decade. It's time to see what kind of player they have in Free."

Sound familiar?

1. Aging OL vet breaks down, out for season.

2. Draft replacement from backwoods Northern I____, is supposed to have a lot of potential but have not seen it on the field.

3. Team has not been good at drafting and developing OL over last decade.

Posted by: SonOfStan | November 17, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Wrong. If Dallas puts 8 in the box to stop Betts, guess what? Its going to be on JC to make them pay.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 17, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

OH MY GOD!!!.....NOT 8 IN THE BOX.....TERRIFYING

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 17, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

thatswhatshesaid!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 17, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Deal, 4th.

And I'll explain to moms where those blisters on the inside of your left hand come from and why the left forearm is slightly bigger than the other.

Ol' Kanye West/Kirk Franklin type dude...

Posted by: RedDMV | November 17, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

OH MY GOD!!!.....NOT 8 IN THE BOX.....TERRIFYING

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 17, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse
Wow, it's like you're in JC's head!

Posted by: ga8085 | November 17, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 17, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

thatswhatshesaid!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 17, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse
LOL!!

Posted by: ga8085 | November 17, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

IF I were a GM I'd worry about three things, I want a great coach, a great QB, and a good deep oline, if I have those three things I'll be in contention every year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 3:42 PM |

So why did the Skins blow their wad on D? Give them credit though, they did lunge at Cut and San. Indy is a good example of your dictum. They have a good OL and Pey is a great coach and great QB.

Posted by: SonOfStan | November 17, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Now that's where I disagree. I think tying 15 million dollars a year up in your QB makes you suffer in other areas especially on the defensive side of the ball. Big Ben, Eli, Tom Brady, and Kurt Warner were all making crap money still when their teams won. They got their paydays afterwards and then we saw alot of talent leave those teams. Now they have to depend on elite scouting of the middle rounds in order to make a run. I think RBs can be found pretty cheap and offensive linemen are much cheaper than QBs. I'd rather build the whole team. The colts even though they had Peyton Manning won the super bowl and got through the playoffs with the defense and running game not the QB play. Peyton played like crap in the post season but since they had a great overall team they still won.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Wow, it's like you're in JC's head!

Posted by: ga8085 | November 17, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse
I am....and what I see is headlights. I see them , yet I feel frozen....Almost like a, like a deer

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 17, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Wait til tomorrow, Chorizo, when the Amish go after each other here - that's something you don't want to miss.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I have this uneasy feeling about Sunday's game against Den. Like Betts might have a good game, Den will cont its downward spiral and the Skins win the game. The Skins need to lose out to have a realistic chance at Russell Okung or to max their draft ranking for rebuild purposes. A win against the Broncs would be meaningless in the bigger scheme of things.

Posted by: ElDrano | November 12, 2009 9:13 PM |

ElDrano, regarding your fears for Sunday, check your BAC. You've either had too much to drink, or not enough.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 12, 2009 9:33 PM |

Hey Zilloid dude - I think you owe the Drain Man an apology, big time.

Posted by: SonOfStan | November 17, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"If Dallas puts 8 in the box to stop Betts, guess what? It's going to be on JC to make them pay."

The season became with us all wondering what would Jason Campbell have to do in order to earn respect and an extension.

If he somehow overcomes the inaccuracy issues he has had, and makes the occasional play with his legs and arm, it would do a lot to ending that wonder.

Fred Davis and whomever starts in the slot should have big games Sunday.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 17, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

PA, a couple of things, first of all, every one of those guys you mentioned is still on a good team and will most likely be in the playoffs. Super Bowls are hard to win, only one team gets one each year and in a league with a salary cap, free agency, and a drafting system intended to promote parity, dynasties are rare and hard to come by. If you look at the teams that compete for their division year in and year out and for the playoffs they all have good QBs. Big Ben is proving you can even do it without great oline play but regardless the perenial contenders in this league have good QBs. I think its very very hard to build everything else and keep it together without the QB and I think its a lot easier to build a successful team around a good QB. Does that mean you win the super bowl every year with a highly paid franchise QB? Of course not. But I think its a lot easier to be a good team with a good QB than without one. Obviously the hard part is finding one but if I'm a GM, after hiring my coach finding my QB is job #1, and after 5 years of Campbell I think its obvious we need to start the search over again.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

How many come-from-behind victories has JC led us on as a Redkskin?

Posted by: rickyroge | November 17, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse
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All 3 of our wins this year were of the come from behind variety...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 17, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

He also led comebacks against NO, Dallas, Philly, and Seattle in 08. He's pretty much the 2nd coming of Joe Montana.

I think the better question is when has he been unstoppable and led the team to a blowout win? I can only think of the home win against Detroit in 07. Any others?

Posted by: zyvo23 | November 17, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Does EVERYONE but me have A.D.D. or something? Betts getting 100 yards in a game does NOT make him better than Portis!!! The O-Line is getting some chemistry, and some serious momentum off the ball. This would make ANY Running Back happy and productive. I bet if Portis knew what SORRY, CYNICAL, WISSHY-WASH FANS you all were he wouldn't have been LEADING THE CHEERING from the sideline when the offense was rolling!. I've never seen such a mass "BACK-STABBING" in my life!. Why would ANY player want to play here after this turn of events? "WE ARE NOT LOYAL TO OUR PLAYERS, TURN AROUND AND WALK AWAY". That should be posted outside of Redskins park! Bunch of mouth-breathers.

Posted by: wewbank1 | November 17, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Wait til tomorrow, Chorizo, when the Amish go after each other here - that's something you don't want to miss.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2009 3:57 PM |

LOL. I am disappointed in Mr. Sausage. He neglected to defame the Arabs, the Italians, the French and the Germans.

Posted by: SonOfStan | November 17, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Red's Moms = Lil Red Rides My Hood

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Red's Moms = Lil Red Rides My Hood

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 4:10 PM |

Zing! Good one dude.

Posted by: SonOfStan | November 17, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

bazinga

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I agree with pabrian. Get everyone off the practice field now. That's the only way this team gets better.

Posted by: psps23 | November 17, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse


Oh, please psps.

In all fairness to pabrian, that is not an accurate reflection of his sentiments.

What we should do is only allow the UNPRODUCTIVE guys to skip practice all week and then grant them an inalienable right to be a starter.

That's how you build a winner.

Posted by: p1funk | November 17, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"If Dallas puts 8 in the box to stop Betts, guess what? It's going to be on JC to make them pay."


Gotta ask, how often do you think a defensive coordinator has said these words: "We're gonna put 8 in the box in order to stop Betts"

I'm guessing its never happened and never will ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Those are just the success stories. Now who didn't I mention? Sand Diego, Green Bay, Chicago, Dallas, Seattle, Houston, Oakland, Kansas City, and a bunch of others all got "franchise QBs" and fell flat on their faces. The franchise QB only works if you still build the rest of the team. Pittsburgh has a great defense and a great running game and so do the Giants, Viking, and Saints. The Pats and the Colts are the only teams that are carried by their QBs right now. What are the odds that we get the next Manning or Brady? I'd rather have a team that can still win if the QB has a bad day. Right now the Colts and Pats can not do that.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Wait til tomorrow, Chorizo, when the Amish go after each other here - that's something you don't want to miss.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2009 3:57 PM |

LOL. I am disappointed in Mr. Sausage. He neglected to defame the Arabs, the Italians, the French and the Germans.

Posted by: SonOfStan | November 17, 2009 4:09 PM |

I somehow failed to include the Polish, who unfortunately often are at the top of the list of defamer's barbs.

Posted by: SonOfStan | November 17, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest....the playcalling has been better with SHERM LEWIS......

In the 1st 2 games he matched the Redskins highest point total of the 1st 6 games.....and exceeded it the 3rd game and with backup talent on the field.

Give Sherm his props........

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | November 17, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Zorn always looks like he is going to vomit

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 17, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

255 comments and not much said. Not a good day RI hamsters.

Posted by: Skins930 | November 17, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I gotta admit, the bingo caller thing was funny, but seriously misguided.

The issue was how removed Lewis was from a current understanding of the NFL game. Joe Gibbs lost a lot in his 11 year absence, but he wasn't following the game closely.

Was Lewis carefully following games during his absence? I'm surprised no one has asked the question.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know what 'tagged' is?

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"tagged" in what way?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Boys B-Ball: G-town 16, Temple 10. 3 left in first half.

Posted by: Realness1 | November 17, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Everyone keeps throwing out the big name coaches as possible candidates for our presumed vacant head coaching spot this offseason. I wouldn't mind Mike Zimmer from the Bengals. He has Cinci's D playing balls out, unlike the passive style Blache runs. I just think with our personnel, we should make a bigger impact on D. He definitely commands respect, a hard nosed guy. ???

Posted by: Skins281 | November 17, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

espn

Posted by: Realness1 | November 17, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think we'll put 20 big ones up agianst Dallas?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Everyone keeps throwing out the big name coaches as possible candidates for our presumed vacant head coaching spot this offseason. I wouldn't mind Mike Zimmer from the Bengals. He has Cinci's D playing balls out, unlike the passive style Blache runs. I just think with our personnel, we should make a bigger impact on D. He definitely commands respect, a hard nosed guy. ???

Posted by: Skins281

Personally, I would like Leslie Frazier from the Vikings but no way is Snyder going to hire a coach again who does not have head coaching experience.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think we'll put 20 big ones up agianst Dallas?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 17, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse
30 big ones

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 17, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I hope we aren't going to have a repeat of 2008 and we end up scraping the bottom of the barrel.

With the news that Dick Jauron has been canned, the obvious question involves replacing him.

Experts have been discussing for weeks now how viable the notion is that an owner who was sure to fire his coach might just do it sooner rather than later. That would be so the organization would have a better shot at landing one of the big names floating around. Those include Bill Cowher, Mike Holmgren and Mike Shanahan. (We'll give Jon Gruden a day off since he just re-inked for broadcasting duty.) That said, nobody has ever associated the Bills with the "big-name coach" idea. This is, after all, a franchise that hired Dick Jauron to get them back to respectability.

So the question looms: Are Marv Levy and Ralph Wilson ready to make a bold move? The early line? Well, SI's Peter King does note that Gruden's commitment to the booth leaves Mike Shanahan in prime position. "Shanahan," he writes, "is atop the heap of the certain returnees to the coaching sideline in January."

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 17, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

beebs peeps

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 17, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

chooch.

Posted by: ksquare | November 17, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

bbep bbep

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

just maybe the o-line is coming together maybe, I know heyer is NOT a good run blocker is he better now? rinehart is big but is he a player? jones is new but has alot of playing experience and was a 1st round pick, rabach is older and small but may be effective in combo blocks, dockery is a little above average..but because of reps together in practice then playing 8 games maybe just maybe the line is solidifying we will see against dallas we will see.

Posted by: wathu19 | November 17, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

What was the point of taking a shot at the team by noting the fact that Orton left the game? This is a post regarding the offense and, unless I am mistaken, Orton does not play defense for the Broncos. So, I have no clue how Orton's departure has any relevance whatsoever to the subject matter of the original post. Just can't help yourself, huh?
Posted by: dylanahn
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Orton out does affect the offense because with him in the Broncos could have controled the clock more.. scored more points (forcing the Skins to pass more) and by moving the ball given the Skins worse field position. Simms going 3 and out.. and the pick.. is a huge advantage to our offense. Skins might have won anyway but don't say Simms playing instead of Orton doesn't affect our offense..

Posted by: sovine08 | November 17, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

But he is what he is, and as evidenced on Sunday, it can be good enough to win. And as long as we win, I don't care how pretty it is...agreed?
Posted by: mattylight
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Yeah good enough to win 3 games out of 9. That's NOT good enough for me.

Posted by: sovine08 | November 17, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest....the playcalling has been better with SHERM LEWIS......

In the 1st 2 games he matched the Redskins highest point total of the 1st 6 games.....and exceeded it the 3rd game and with backup talent on the field.

Give Sherm his props........

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | November 17, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I saw Zorn's offense - this ain't Zorn's offense. Big props to Vinny for bringing in Sherm Lewis. Now, if Vinny could yank that headset off Zorn and let Lewis decide who plays and who sits the offense might really take off. Zorn would still be running Thrash out there if he could.

Posted by: coparker5 | November 17, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

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