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Thomas likely to get more work

It appears Devin Thomas might be even busier than usual Monday night against the New York Giants.

Thomas is the starting flanker and primary kickoff returner, and judging from Coach Jim Zorn's comments on his radio show today, Thomas could be involved on punt returns against one of the Redskins' NFC East rivals. Responding to a fan's question about wide receiver Antwaan Randle El, who has struggled as the primary punt returner, Zorn indicated the team planned to make changes for the final three games.

"We're going to make, you know, some adjustments and things like that," Zorn said during his weekly appearance on ESPN 980's "The Jim Zorn Show."

"It doesn't mean that Antwaan's going to be totally sitting on the bench the whole time. But we're going to try to get other guys involved. ... We're going to try to get Devin more involved now."

Of course, we also went down this road with Zorn before the Nov. 8 loss to the Atlanta Falcons. During that week, Zorn told a reporter that Randle El was out as the No. 1 punt returner. The plan, Zorn said, was for top wideout Santana Moss and cornerback DeAngelo Hall to have expanded roles.

But after Randle El initiated a meeting with Zorn to discuss the situation, Zorn reversed field, saying nothing had changed and that Randle El still was atop the depth chart. Randle El had another shaky performance in Sunday's 34-13 victory over the Oakland Raiders.

On a fair catch, he misplayed one ball that rolled a long way and resulted in poor field position for the Redskins. The Raiders also recovered the ball on Randle El's muff in the fourth quarter.

Randle El is averaging only 3.9 yards per punt, which is not among the top 24 return averages in the league. His 18 fair catches would be the highest total in the league if Randle El had returned enough punts to qualify among the league's leaders.

After the game Sunday, Thomas revealed he has gotten practice reps on punt returns and is willing to "do whatever the team needs. If it'll help us win some games, bring it on."
Hall has been sidelined the last three games because of a knee injury. The Redskins hope to have him back in the lineup against the Giants, but they would rather not risk using him on punt returns in his return, whether that occurs this week or not.

Because of Moss's importance in the offense, the Redskins have been reluctant to use him as more than a change-of-pace returner. Considering Thomas's expanded role in the offense and his important job on special teams since he supplanted Rock Cartwright on kickoff returns, you could argue that the Redskins shouldn't risk having him heavily involved on punt returns.

Of course, there are only so many options and Zorn apparently believes it finally is time for a change.

"Santana will be more involved," Zorn said. "We'll see what happens as we go along with DeAngelo just to try to get him back there as well."

By Jason Reid  |  December 15, 2009; 5:00 PM ET
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didnt see him last night, but figure we werent in a position to not need him

Posted by: divi3 | December 15, 2009 4:45 PM

After they repeatedly showed Bridges yelling into the face of Hightower for fumbling, Bridges then became a turnstile at the LT position where he was responsible for atleast 2 turnovers and 2/3 sacks.

Lesson here? Make sure your ish is in order before you start yelling at people in their face. It may come back to bite you.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 15, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

First? ARE needs to go this offseason.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | December 15, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

word was Bridges has an attitude problem....

Posted by: divi3 | December 15, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe it's taken this long to even have coaches start talking about ARE being replaced. Skins fans have known for three years that ARE was ineffective as a punt returner and for the past year and half, he has actually been a liability for us.

There is no excuse for him being on the field during punt returns. Next year, there will be no excuse for him being on the roster.

Posted by: Section104 | December 15, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Section104 | December 15, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

It took them a while to let DT11 return punts. We've been calling for that since we drafted him.

It took them forever to sign Levi Jones. We wanted him as soon as he was released.

This FO is slow. They make the obvious move at least 2 months too late.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 15, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

After they repeatedly showed Bridges yelling into the face of Hightower for fumbling, Bridges then became a turnstile at the LT position where he was responsible for atleast 2 turnovers and 2/3 sacks.

Lesson here? Make sure your ish is in order before you start yelling at people in their face. It may come back to bite you.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 15, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse


They gave Bridges help all night long against the Vikings. I don't ever remember him being in a one-on-one blocking situation with Allen.

Apparently he wasn't that stellar last night either.


4th, by the way, I couldn't help but notice one really good Arizona defender...he was all over the place...D-lineman...I think his name is "Darnell Docket", or something...ever heard of him??

Posted by: p1funk | December 15, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Moss should be the full-time punt returner.

I can understand the desire to protect him when he was our only asset at WR, but with the young guys stepping up in the passing game these days, I think we can afford to roll out Moss on punt returns.

Posted by: p1funk | December 15, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Of all the players I would say that Porits should be the first go.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 15, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

He ain't that good.

Ask me one day how I know....lol...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 15, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is such a weasel. Why can't he come right out and say ARE just isn't getting the job done and - because I have a pair - I, the head coach have decided to put someone else in there? What is so wrong in holding the guy accountable for doing his job? Now, if you try a few other guys out back there and they are coming up lemons, then maybe the conversation switches to why can't the punting team block... but, I don't think that is the case.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 15, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

For his college career, Devin Thomas returned seven punts for a total of 18 yards ... 2.7 yards per punt return.

Bunch of Norman Einsteins up here.

Posted by: dcsween | December 15, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Alridge has punt return experience ... fumbling, sure, but its still experience. He's back on the practice squad.

Posted by: dcsween | December 15, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Section104 | December 15, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

It took them a while to let DT11 return punts. We've been calling for that since we drafted him.

It took them forever to sign Levi Jones. We wanted him as soon as he was released.

This FO is slow. They make the obvious move at least 2 months too late.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 15, 2009 5:12 PM
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I don't think it's because they are slow, unless you are referring to their mental abilities. I think Vinny and crew are just lazy as heck. While other teams are taking looks at players all week long, week in and week out during the season, you can hear the crickets chirping at Redskins complex. Nice to know they are so interested in helping the team out. Heck, even when Vinny signs a player, it is probably because the player signed was known by one of the coaches. Take Quinton Ganther, for instance. Sherm Smith knew him from Tennessee. Vinny is lazy. Even if he wasn't a weasel and an idiot, he still should be fired because of that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 15, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

"Moss should be the full-time punt returner."


S Moss should be returning punts and playing in the lot.

But that's for next year.

The most important question about Moss is who will replace him after next season?

Maybe there's a wide receiver in the lower rounds in the draft worth taking a look at.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 15, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The ARE returning punts is on Zorn, if it was Vinny's choice don't you think he would want one of his draft picks returning kicks.

The young guys not getting on the field doesn't help Vinny, so I would say Vinny has know say in who plays.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

What arguement does Randle El have to make his case for being the main punt returner?

"Sure, Coach, I've dropped a few but at least I fall down a lot!"

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 15, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Well ARE has stopped running backwards all the time on punts. . .that is progress right?

So in case this wasn't added up in here. Here is the billboard I saw on my way home from the game Sunday. Is anyone in our 9th circle of hell doing the same thing?

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/sports/pro/football&id=7149633

Posted by: sfskin | December 15, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Westbrook and barnes are the worst STers in the league based on their 1 fumble each, IMO. Randle el hasn't had a good year, but I think he's being scapegoated for what is simply a poor ST unit. When you lack depth STs is where it shows the most. A PR should be able to make 1 or 2 guys miss, the rest is blocking.

Bridges played vs. Min and held Allen without a tackle or sack. Attitude or not we should have kept him. I don't think they wanted JC to succeed, bug he has regardless.

Its funny to see people jumping on the DT and sandman Davis bandwagon after all the critics. It takes time, especially on a team with no set system. Just proves the media and many fans are total blow hards.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 15, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

pabrian,

Don't even try to defend ARE he sucks on punt returns.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

When did Barnes fumble, I hope you are not talking about the shanked punt that hit him while he was blocking. If you know anything about football you would know that it was not his fault.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Zorn say the same thing earlier this season? And didn't he return Randle El to primary punt returner after Randle El punked him , er, had a chat with Zorn? If Zorn is here next year, won't Moss and Randle El be starting wr's again?

Posted by: coparker5 | December 15, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Today's School Lunch :

Nachos~
Hamburger/
Cheeseburger
Fruit and Veggie Bar
1% or nonfat milk

(Its as relevant as anything else up here hamsters.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 15, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Pabrian,

You figured it out Danny wanted the team to lose to make JC look bad, thats the dumbest thing I have ever read.

Lets loose money so that are QB looks bad.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2009 6:33 PM

Don't do it, Don't take the bait..

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, are you saying our PR unit is good except for ARE? And Westbrook and Barnes aren't responsible for muffing (not fumbling, my bad) one punt each?

ARE is our 2nd best WR for the 3rd or 4th year in a row, Westbrook and Barnes have played a little but primarily their job is to NOT get hit by the punt, and they both have a muff. Facts are facts.

I will defend ARE, he's been a contributer for this team and this league

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 15, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

there should be a raffle to see which fan gets to waive randle el

Posted by: divi3 | December 15, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I will defend ARE, he's been a contributer for this team and this league

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 15, 2009 6:41 PM |

Your right ARE is a great punt returner, and Barnes should be cut for a shanked punt hitting him while he was running down the field blocking.

ARE sucks as a punt returner, no one said anything about him as a receiver.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

santana moss should really be returning all punts.

Posted by: BMACattack | December 15, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Portis has produced for years too and that hasn't stopped you from wanting him banished from Ashburn either.

Keep CC and Davis. Having Depth is not a bad thing.

Posted by: dcwun | December 15, 2009 1:31 PM |
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CP didn't produce this year, Cooley did.

Save your contrarian remarks for someone who's interested, meathead.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 15, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

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dcwun is very accurate here. For as much as Clinton has given us ova tha years, it just sucks the way every1 has ridden him off like a bum.

MrRedskins21 is very inaccurate here!!!!!
Clinton had more yards and the same amount of TD's this year as Cooley in fewer games played! In fact, going back to last year, Clinton has seriously outperformed Cooley.

CP had a bad year and the media created this whole Portis is done BS! Stop acting mainstream dude and think for yourself. (insert image: Jason Reid Airplane-Spoon feeding Mr.Redskin)

*Unbelievable*

Please look up numbers before you claim Cooley outperformed Clinton this year. Sh!t, Fred Davis has outperformed both of them!

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Moss should be the full-time punt returner.

I can understand the desire to protect him when he was our only asset at WR, but with the young guys stepping up in the passing game these days, I think we can afford to roll out Moss on punt returns.

Posted by: p1funk

I'm moving with you on this. The only reason against Moss on returns was his value to the offense if he got hurt.

He made a big return vs DET last year and his hammy went on the next series.

But at this point, Moss can take some plays off without the Skins offense completely tanking.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

ARE is our 4th best WR, and likely the 5th best. This would be known if zorn the retarded and timid would drop a set and get MM on the field.

The guy either drops a pass, makes a paltry return, fair catches with a ten yard cushion and room to run, fumbles a return off his face or shoulder, or gains yards required for a first down -1yd on third down receptions.

I've seen more than enough to know ARE SUCKS. No thanks to him being dressed ever again in a Redskin uniform.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 15, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Keep Clinton Portis and make him the full time punt returner next year...problem solved you don't eat his salary/or cap hit if there is a cap, and can get younger with a new primary back.

Posted by: orioledw | December 15, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Fantasy Football Playoffs: Round 1

6 teams enter, one emerges. In the Peeps league, swinging souls took to their e-teams and brought their A-game. Or B game. Or C game.

Or in this case, their F game. A shockingly low scoring affair resulted in Redcoats Fins knocking off the Buffaloes, 78-31. Seems their WRs couldn’t catch a thing. 5 WRs were started by the two teams – and combined for 1 point!! The Fins were led by Adrian Peterson’s 25. The Buffaloes had two players with -1 point, Kurt Warner and Tim Hightower.

Alex’s Zombie Hord, managed from Bamako (look it up) this week, crushed Future Winners, 130-74. 31 from desean jax, 28 from Ryan Grant and 23 from Brees led to the Zombie’s big point total. Fred Davis led Future with 21.

Also of note is the massive outburst by 4-12 while playing in the consolation bracket (there, there). His 151 points set a record for the Peeps league. Every Sunday player hit double digits for 4-12, Brandon Marshall had 37 and Andre Johnson 34. His Redskins, Gano and Ganther, combined for 31. His only non-contributor came on Monday night, when Kurt Warner stumbled to -3 points.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

skinsfaninkaneohe

"...ARE is our 4th best WR, and likely the 5th best. This would be known if zorn the retarded and timid would drop a set and get MM on the field."

Maybe this is Mitchell's 'my bad' year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 15, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Over in the Hamster league, a pair of double D sized scores led to wins.

cL’s Carroll Street F Bombers beat out one of last year’s champs, Zornskins, 133-94. Leading cL were desean jax with 31 and Jamaal Charles with 29. He also got major contributions from his Jets defense (20) and kicker Bironas (18). Zornskins got 25 from Peterson in the loss.

Also moving on were 4th’s Raljohn Realskins, pulling a huge upset win over Stump’s Coproliths, 137-79. Copro, easily the league’s top scoring team, seemed to get everyone’s best game, week in week out. Andre Johnson (35 points), Quinton Ganther (21) and the Titans defense (21) were all huge for Realskins. Derrick Mason and Ricky Williams also had very strong games. For Copro, Chris Johnson’s 39 points were just not enough. Copro had both Warner and Randy Moss deliver negative points! This game was only the second time Realskins topped 100 points all year. The other time? 134 points in the regular season vs … Copro.

The consolation bracket featured the week’s highest scoring game between the league’s two lowest ranked teams. The Koolaid Kids topped Butz for Utz, 125-100. Each team had a 31 point effort, Ray Rice for Butz and Ryan Grant for Koolaid.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: orioledw | December 15, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

nice...well played

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 15, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

flound, ARE has not had a good year as a PR, I agree, but he has had a good career and he's on a unit that has 2 muffs by other players. I neversaid those guys should get cut. I'm pointing out that ARE is a contributed that's taking one of criticism just like Portis, Jc, etc

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 15, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 15, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Dude, both of the "muffs" were on short kicks. Maybe Westbrook should have known better to clear out more effectively, but Barnes was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He heard the call-out and tried to duck, but didn't have time to do much of anything.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 15, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

If Zorn is here next year, won't Moss and Randle El be starting wr's again?

Posted by: coparker5 | December 15, 2009 6:32 PM


Maybe Moss, but ARE didn't even start this year.

Kelly was #2 on the depth chart in the beginning, but was replaced with Thomas.

I'd tell you if Zorn isn't back next year, then you can kiss their progress good bye. Our players are executing the offense now instead of learning it! Stop the carousel of coaches DAn.

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

It has hurt my eyes to watch ARE PR this year. Usually either fair-catching or going backwards with the ball. He tries to juke too much instead of running up the field.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 15, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Let Deangelo Hall do it. He will try extra hard to defend if he knows he's going to get to return the punt instead of going for the pick and getting burned.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 15, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else dislike Andy Pollin?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 15, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

With Portis in the line up for the first 8 games the Skins don't score more than 17 points. Since he has been out the last 5 games they score more than 24 points in 4 of those games. 30 in the last 2. The other running backs are playing a lot better then he ever has all year. They are playing with fire and some pride. Please don't bring back Portis. I think he is the main cancer on this team. More than Vinny and Synder, though they are both 2nd.

Posted by: TheJury | December 15, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskins21 is very inaccurate here!!!!!
Clinton had more yards and the same amount of TD's this year as Cooley in fewer games played! In fact, going back to last year, Clinton has seriously outperformed Cooley.

CP had a bad year and the media created this whole Portis is done BS! Stop acting mainstream dude and think for yourself. (insert image: Jason Reid Airplane-Spoon feeding Mr.Redskin)

*Unbelievable*

Please look up numbers before you claim Cooley outperformed Clinton this year. Sh!t, Fred Davis has outperformed both of them!

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 7:05 PM

Vicc, when the person who reads for you and types for you says, "Vicc are you sure you want me to post this? Portis is a RB and Cooley is a TE. I mean this is idiotic even for your standards." Head their advice.

Posted by: mack1 | December 15, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | December 15, 2009 8:38 PM

Andy Polley, Andy Polley...Old T.K. reference. I'm indifferent, he offers no real insight and is pretty much harmless. Now if you asked about Cowherd, I'd say yes.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

PORTIS POCKETS STRAIGHT: He may be a diva(in more ways than i care to get into)but his stats speak volumes of his contribution's to this team and don't try to lay everything that has happened this year at his feet the owner allows this bullsh#t to go on and CP while being lazy(as far as practice goes) shows up for the most part every Sunday. While we're talking about who needs to go let's pack Mike Sellers Baltimore briefcase and send his azz down the road i for one have grown tired of the caveman routine and his lockeroom divisivness and liberal use of certain ethnic insults.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 15, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Someone in the Redskins' organization must have really pissed off Pollin because he NEVER has anything positive about the Redskins and he calls Cerrato names.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 15, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Someone in the Redskins' organization must have really pissed off Pollin because he NEVER has anything positive about the Redskins and he calls Cerrato names.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 15, 2009 9:13 PM

Pollin = Brownwood?

Posted by: League-Source | December 15, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

One added thought on Thomas returning punts. Getting ARE off that job has made sense for a very long time. But Thomas is just starting to emerge as a WR. Let him focus on becoming a good WR, that is the area he needs to build on now. Not a KR or PR. If we need KR or PR, let Moss handle it. He already knows how to do it -- and we can give him more plays off at WR since Thomas and Kelly are showing up.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

These 3 QBs were drafted 5th, 1st, and 17th respectively in the draft. I know it's their first year and the higher the pick the worse the team but none of these guys are exactly lighting it up. These guys are also signed to fat contracts, where we could tender JC for approximately 3.1 million and focus on bigger needs. i.e. OT, RB, OG, FS, OLB, CB, etc.

1 Mark Sanchez 53.2 COMP% 2,049 YDS 6.9 AVG 170.8 AVG/GAME 11 TDS 17 INTS 22 SACKS 63.7 QB/RATING

2 Matthew Stafford 53.3 COMP% 2,267 YDS 6.0 AVG 226.7 AVG/GAME 13 TDS 20 INTS 24 SACKS 61.0 QB/RATING

3 Josh Freeman 52.5 COMP% 1,207 TDS 6.0 SACKS 172.4 AVG/GAME 7 TDS 13 INTS 16 SACKS 55.4 QB RATING

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2009 9:22 PM

I agree. Thomas already has his hands full with WR and KR. Moss needs to be the primary PR followed by Hall.

Let Thomas focus on WR.

KR/PR needs to be a focus in the offseason.

Spiller
Javon Best
Jacoby Ford
Dexter McCluster
Branon James

To name a few

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Portis is a RB and Cooley is a TE. I mean this is idiotic even for your standards.

Posted by: mack1


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but .. but MrRedskin21 started it. I had a feeling his response would make me feel like an idiot, but hey, maybe my mistake will be short-lived in the sense that he'll never read it. Unfortunately I can't say the same for a certain blogger I once called a d0uche. He obviously read that and he's making me pay!

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Someone in the Redskins' organization must have really pissed off Pollin because he NEVER has anything positive about the Redskins and he calls Cerrato names.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 15, 2009 9:13 PM

Pollin = Brownwood?

Posted by: League-Source


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*chuckle*

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

3 Josh Freeman 52.5 COMP% 1,207 TDS...

by: Diesel44


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Whoa. I'll take a QB who throws for that many TDS any day!

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

From WaPo: "Defensive coordinator Greg Blache wants his Redskins in the Pro Bowl"

It hard to be PB when rec 4-9. Don't know PB dec date but not end of season. If D nut up against G there outside chance Skin make PB. It would be Cart on perform but PB is pop so could be Flet or Hay.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 15, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

...Let Thomas focus on WR...

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2009 9:34 PM

If we let Zorn go, he and every other offensive player will have to focus on a new offense as well.

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

word was Bridges has an attitude problem....

Posted by: divi3 |

Yes, the attitude of his QB, which is horizontal.

Posted by: TheCork | December 15, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Whoa. I'll take a QB who throws for that many TDS any day!

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 9:50 PM

1207 YDS 7 TDS

I see you're not above looking past an obvious typo. I'll make a note of that.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 7:05 PM

Vicc, when the person who reads for you and types for you says, "Vicc are you sure you want me to post this? Portis is a RB and Cooley is a TE. I mean this is idiotic even for your standards." Head their advice.

Posted by: mack1

mack1,

The point is the moment anyone mentions trading or getting rid of Cooley, everyone gets defensive. Davis is playing better than Cooley did when he was healthy.

Now, I like Cooley and I want to keep both TEs. CP was hurt all year coming off a Pro Bowl year and now he's washed up? I will admit that we need a speed guy to compliment him but he's has at least 2 years left.

Please don't start this practice stuff either. Most RBs don't practice everyday because of the beatings their bodies take during the game.

And for the last time, how do you know CP's a "cancer" in the locker room? Just because da Mayor has his axe to gring doesn't make it the gospel.

Posted by: dcwun | December 15, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"Jacoby Ford"


Folks talk about Spiller, but I think Ford is a steal in the 3rd/4th round.

McCluster has 2nd round written all over him.

Both would be great slot/returner/screen/draw/all purpose offensive threat guys.

Do the skins need such a guy, a possible Moss replacement come the '11 season?

Yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 15, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Of the top 15 QBs by rating Camp is #14. His ratio of TDs/ints is by far the worst at 17/12. In years past this ratio would have been considered pretty good. The DB coverage penalty rules must have been tighted up considerably.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 15, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the attitude of his QB, which is horizontal.

Posted by: TheCork | December 15, 2009 9:57 PM

Altitude would have been much funnier than attitude.

Altitude meaning a distance measurement, usually in the vertical or "up" direction.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I see you're not above looking past an obvious typo. I'll make a note of that.

Posted by: Diesel44


Every once in awhile it's fun to point out. Can only do it to the more playful bloggers though. Others get a lil too defensive.

I hope you write that note in pencil. I'd hate for something like that to be on my permanent record.

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 15, 2009 10:06 PM

Moe-

You and I are on the same page. This team needs speed. Except when they draft OL, they need to have those stopwatches ready for all other positions.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

There's a story we've all ignored about M Holmgren working to be 'the man' in Cleveland.

Do you think he'd take Sherm L or J Zorn with him if both are released by the Wizards of Redskin Park?

I'd take my chances with Bingo Lewis as OC if I was Holmgren.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 15, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 10:06 PM

You can't tell one's tone in plain text. I'm never too serious.

In order to mock, one must be opened to being mocked.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Do the skins need such a guy, a possible Moss replacement come the '11 season?

Yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 15, 2009 10:06 PM |

Back in day Moss the DeSean Jack of WRs. 2 bad he not play on team with QB like McN.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 15, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

"This team needs speed."


No doubt.

Just look at how the raiders used McFadden.

They lined him up wide and then later, he's in the backfield getting yards off inside power plays.

He could probably return kicks if they wanted him to.

We don't have a back we can use to exploit teams' defensive weaknesses like that.

Such a back also re-directs coverages and pulls a safety out of the box if the speed guy is flexed out.

Ganther had a nice day against the raiders.

But imagine if he was a 'burner' who could bust a few plays open and 'take it to the house' off any play.

That's the kind of back we need.

And there are guys like that in this draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 15, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Lately the Jints have been owning us and the Iggles have been owning them.

I think teams with speed give the Jints trouble.

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely Diesel

I dunno if I've ever mentioned it b4, but my middle name is facetious.

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Just look at how the raiders used McFadden.

They lined him up wide and then later, he's in the backfield getting yards off inside power plays.

He could probably return kicks if they wanted him to.

We don't have a back we can use to exploit teams' defensive weaknesses like that.

Such a back also re-directs coverages and pulls a safety out of the box if the speed guy is flexed out. -MistaMoe


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I see why you like Spiller a lot. He can do those things. What round do you see him going?

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Speed Kills...

There is one guy on our Offense that a team would have to game plan for and that is Moss.

Defensive and Special Teams coordinators get extra sleep and laugh at how we under utilize our one guy that can flip the field.

Problem is we need a “Moss” at RB and at KR/PR in order to ever cause a lack of sleep in any team preparing to play us.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

In order to mock, one must be opened to being mocked.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2009 10:12 PM |

It should be "In order to post, one must be opened up by muggers." Some of the most titulating posts have been those launched by the Ninja assassins. Numbchucks beating down numbnuts.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 15, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I dunno if I've ever mentioned it b4, but my middle name is facetious.

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 10:20 PM |

Just like you middle finger.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | December 15, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I see why you like Spiller a lot. He can do those things. What round do you see him going?

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 10:22 PM

After Spiller runs a sub 4.3 at the combine, he will go anywhere between picks 6-15 overall.

It's a copycat league and he is the closest thing to Chris Johnson.

You can file that away and reference it later because that is a fact.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh yea Moe,

Unless Holmgren is going to play QB for the Browns, I'd say it's a non-story. I'm hoping Synder changes his ways and actually keeps a staff(particularly this one) in place.

I can't think of any brand new coaches who won the SB in his first two years! Well there is Tomlin, but that's an exception and not the norm.

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know Spiller could run that fast.

Sub 4.3?

If he's that fast then he must be considered, but only if there is no Top Tackle available at our pick AND a good O-linemen can be had in the 2nd round.

I'd still like to trade down for additional picks though.

Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Balls. Just hit on 523 out 799 shots in Galaga for a measly 65.4%. I'm probably too stupid to play the game and am too inconsistent to be a high profile Galaga player. I'm taking myself outta the game!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 15, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Of the top 15 QBs by rating Camp is #14. His ratio of TDs/ints is by far the worst at 17/12. In years past this ratio would have been considered pretty good. The DB coverage penalty rules must have been tighted up considerably.

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In other words

"A boat that floats in water...can also sink in it"

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Posted by: Vicc | December 15, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

GREAT, give Devin more special teams reps and FINALLY PLAY MARKO MITCHELL!!!

Posted by: starpopper | December 15, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Let Thomas be a WR, and nothing else. Return man? Try Marcus Mason. He needs to earn a spot and this is a good place for him to earn it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 16, 2009 2:41 AM | Report abuse

pabrian, i can't agree with you on the support of randle el being a punt returner. in the rare event that he doesn't fair catch the ball, the moment he catches it, the jackson five's "dancin' machine" starts playing in his head and he starts his fuqqin lateral shuffle all the while, defenders are quickly closing in on him. we all know he's not the biggest guy on returns but as brian mitchell said "catch the ball and get your a-s-s straight up the field!" he tries all this juking and jiving for absolutely minimal or no gain. as a slot receiver he has a tendency to boogaloo shuffle after he catches instead of getting to the 1st down marker. i'd prefer him in the slot because he could actually be used much like wes welker but he isn't quite as fearless as welker. all in all, randle should've been taken off special teams 3 seasons ago. that's all danny smith's fault. if brian mitchell hadn't pissed snyder off, i think he would've been an outstanding special teams coach. chalk one up for snyder once again!!!

Posted by: charronegro1971 | December 16, 2009 4:23 AM | Report abuse

if brian mitchell hadn't pissed snyder off, i think he would've been an outstanding special teams coach. chalk one up for snyder once again!!!

Posted by: charronegro1971 | December 16, 2009 4:23 AM


You can blame Snyder for a lot of things, but this ain't one of 'em. Brian Mitchell is on record saying that he has NO interest whatsoever in coaching. I'm sure he's got some helpful pointers, but that's very different than being an effective coach.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 16, 2009 6:35 AM | Report abuse

You can blame Snyder for a lot of things,

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 16, 2009 6:35 AM

Right now, while Snyder counts his millions, they're meeting in Copenhagen to try to agree on how to stop the global warming that was caused by his greed.

Posted by: League-Source | December 16, 2009 6:57 AM | Report abuse

Right now, while Snyder counts his millions, they're meeting in Copenhagen to try to agree on how to stop the global warming that was caused by his greed.

Posted by: League-Source | December 16, 2009 6:57 AM |

I think he was also responsible for the economic slide thanks Dan now my house is'nt worth sh_t.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2009 7:15 AM | Report abuse

"I think Vinny and crew are just lazy as heck. While other teams are taking looks at players all week long, week in and week out during the season, you can hear the crickets chirping at Redskins complex.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 15, 2009 5:52 PM"

RSH,

Sorry man, that's just not true.

Vinny is also sitting around prepping for his radio show "Inside the Red Zone".

...the irony of that title still kills me...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | December 16, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

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