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Thomas is gaining maturity to match ability

Before the New Orleans Saints' late rally stunned the Redskins in Sunday's 33-30 overtime loss, I had planned to write a lot about the breakout performance of second-year wide receiver Devin Thomas.

Thomas set personal bests with seven receptions -- a 40-yarder among them -- for 100 yards and two touchdowns. On his 13-yard touchdown reception in the third quarter, he caught a short pass over the middle from quarterback Jason Campbell, made a nifty move to elude Saints defensive players and toed the sideline into the end zone.

Although Thomas, pass-catching tight end Fred Davis and backup wideout Malcolm Kelly have shown progress after struggling as rookies last season, Thomas's eye-opening outing was the biggest sign yet that things could be improving in the passing game because of the young guys. But Thomas's excitement about his individual play was tempered by the team's three-game losing streak and the fact that the Redskins squandered a 10-point, fourth-quarter lead against the Saints.

"You have to just deal with it because it's part of the game," Thomas said. "But right now it just seems like there's some jinx or curse against us to where we just can't finish even though we should win the game. We've got to find the right chemistry or the right mixture of guys."

It seems to be apparent that Thomas definitely should be in that mix moving forward. The starting flanker since early in the season, Thomas doesn't have great statistics (23 receptions, 287 yards, three touchdowns), but he clearly has gotten better as the season has progressed.

I have been among Thomas's biggest critics because of the lack of maturity he has often displayed since the Redskins selected him with their top pick in the 2008 draft.

Teammates also have privately expressed frustration with Thomas for his lack of dedication to studying the playbook and other aspects of preparation. But I haven't heard those criticisms in some time. In fact, he seems to have gotten "it," quarterback Jason Campbell said.

"You're seeing now what you thought Devin could do as soon as he just showed that maturity to approaching the game the right way," Campbell said. "Devin has all the ability and he is a guy who can make plays.

"Sometimes it takes guys a little time to figure out what they need to do to be successful in this league. I don't think anyone ever doubted Devin has the talent, but everyone in the NFL is talented. It takes more than that, which Devin understands now."

Thomas plans to keep it going. "I just want to do my job and do it as best as possible," he said. "I just want to feel confident in putting me in more situations to help us win the game."

By Jason Reid  |  December 7, 2009; 3:10 PM ET
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Comments

The refs stole yesterdays game...and that kicker

Posted by: dmlopez1 | December 7, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

The refs stole yesterdays game...and that kicker

Posted by: dmlopez1 | December 7, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

can we stop the "meteoric rise" talk about Gray? our highly ranked secondary(cause no one has to throw on us after the 1st quarter) can't cover, tackle, or catch. everybody bites on the double moves. we've been beat on 3rd or 4th and long all year. cornerbacks can't tackle quarterbacks and LL still can't wrap a single person. rogers couldn't catch crabs if they were already in his jock. intercept a fourth down pass 25 yards downfield? no one reminded them to just bat it down?

Posted by: stromi | December 7, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"Shaun Suisham is a consummate professional. And not that this matters in terms of his ability to perform at his job, but he's one of the nicest guys on the team as well.

Not that I had anything against Dave Rayner when he was brought in to challenge Suisham for the place-kicking job this summer, but Suisham had been very fair with me in my first two seasons covering the Redskins and I was kind of hoping he'd keep his job. He also impressed me with his determination in trying to rebound after a poor season in 2008"

VERSUS

"I have been among Thomas's biggest critics because of the lack of maturity he has often displayed since the Redskins selected him with their top pick in the 2008 draft.

Teammates also have privately expressed frustration with Thomas for his lack of dedication to studying the playbook and other aspects of preparation. But I haven't heard those criticisms in some time"

Thats called Suisham gives me quotes, and Devin ignores me.....


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The refs stole yesterdays game...and that kicker

Posted by: dmlopez1 | December 7, 2009 3:20 PM

Not so sure there was a game left to be stolen after Landry, Barnes, and Moore let the air out of it.

Posted by: League-Source | December 7, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Most teams would have found ways to use players like DT, MK and FD in their rookie year. Even if you started DT at kick returner last year, but get some use out of his play making ability.

Sorry, but I don't buy this maturity argument. If that is the case, then I guess Marko Mitchel also is not showing the maturity to get on the field more. Please.

This coaching staff need to find ways to use their young players. Given the chance, both Davis and Thomas have shown they are capable.

Too bad JC was not able to hit him in stride on the route down the right sideline. If DT doesn't have to slow down for that pass, easy TD.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Very proud of Devin. He's a serious threat, hope this becomes a weekly deal. Sharper eventually had to start rolling over to him. Bodes well for Santana's opportunities going forward.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis post coming next?? Takes at least two to tackle him. Hope he's earned Zorn's trust!

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

curz, good point regarding Marko....hopefully they're taking the "no giggling" seriously.....what a joke...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Devin was that dude yesterday.

I wonder if Kelly aka 'Brother Malcolm' has any trade value.

I'd like to see Kelly and Mitchell starting next year, with 'tana in the slot.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 7, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Meant to say Thomas starting with Marko...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 7, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Curzon, Devin said he would have scored if he didn't trip. I think leading him much further would have put it at risk for a Sharper pick, so I'm fine with playing it safer there.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Can we just take ARE out of the game yet? When we have three wide put 89 in the slot and put 11 and 12 on the outside. Kelly has shown the ability to go the the deep ball from JC. If you notice when he hits Kelly on those go routes he puts air under b/c he knows Kelly is gonna win the jump ball, and when he throws that ball to tana he zips it because he knows his only option is to let tana run by the guy to get it. Besides, seasons over, lets get them young boys some incentive to be starters next year. And for the love of god dont get ride of JC, him and the young guys seem to be developing chemistry, no sense in staring from square one...again

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | December 7, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

red, no dice on trading MK, they've just started to tap DT's potential, they need to do the same with MK....don't trade him until we actually use the guy, and see what he can do....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Not so sure there was a game left to be stolen after Landry, Barnes, and Moore let the air out of it.

Posted by: League-Source | December 7, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Was Barnes out of position? I thought he was where he was supposed to be and tried to fall back as soon as he got the call from the sideline. It was a horrible punt and it hit him but was it really something he did?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 7, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

gtstang9t3 totally agree with you. Keep JC and use the draft to get better o lineman. Show ARE the door and put Moss in the slot.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I've always liked the big WRs that little DBs struggle to bring down. Nice to see Thomas 'getting it' and I think they are a good fit for Campbell.

What really surprised me was how good the Skins offense looked against a defense that had locked down Tom Brady. Which makes me wonder abut how good the defense we faced was, at least on that day.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

barnes didn't do anything wrong, he tried to get out of the way, but the punt landed on him.....its like a double move...nothing you can do about it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Curzon, Devin said he would have scored if he didn't trip. I think leading him much further would have put it at risk for a Sharper pick, so I'm fine with playing it safer there.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 3:40 PM

Watched the game and DVR'd too. Watching that play, DT had to slow down and turn to his left. If the ball hits him in stride then he does not trip IMO. Sharper was not anywhere near being able to intercept that pass. Watch the play.

Glad they made the play, but it looked to me that JC was late on a few throws, including the INT.

JC had a nice day, just wish he would hit his receivers in stride more.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Agree on Barnes. He wasn't anywhere he shouldn't have been. Totally fluke play.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 7, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Not so sure there was a game left to be stolen after Landry, Barnes, and Moore let the air out of it.

Posted by: League-Source | December 7, 2009 3:26 PM

Why doesn't Danny Smith teach his punt return unit to run while looking at the punt? If only Barnes would have done that he would have been able to get out of the way. That play is on Danny Smith for not teaching proper technique.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Watched the game and DVR'd too.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 3:51 PM

You re-watched it already. I'm still too salty to do that yet.

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Bean, but you've got Thomas coming on looking like the clear starter... then you got Santana still... Marko needs playing time... Kelly needs reps.... You got Davis & Cooley...

I like weapons to, but there is only one football, and they can't throw it every play on offense.

I don't see nothing wrong with putting either Cooley or Kelly on the trading block. Cooley is worth as high as a 3rd, and Kelly might could get a fifth.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 7, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Watched the game and DVR'd too. Watching that play, DT had to slow down and turn to his left. If the ball hits him in stride then he does not trip IMO. Sharper was not anywhere near being able to intercept that pass. Watch the play.
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if you say so. I was at the game, and sharper would have had some picks if Jason had been more aggressive on the sidelines with several throws. Maybe not that play. I live in NY, so can't dvr the games unfortunately.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

TWISI, it was a great game (and should be replayed by NFLN) and besides a couple of plays to end each half (shanked punt that hit barnes/moore's int and shankham and the JC int) Skins would have won that game.

Heartbreaking loss, but not one I can't enjoy watching (outside of the ref calls).

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Forgot about ARE as well...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 7, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

red, if anything, I say dump ARE, but KEEP everyone else...and here is what you do, you use them all, get the ball to each of these guys, sure their catches will go down but isn't a more fresh Cooley, a more effective Cooley?? Same with Davis/DT/MK/MM/SM....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

2008 Draft

Rd Overall Name 2008 Grade 2009 Grade
2 34 Devin Thomas WR....D........B
2 48 Fred Davis TE............D........B
2 51 Malcolm Kelly WR......F........D
3 96 Chad Rinehart G.......F .......D
4 124 Justin Tryon CB.......F........C
6 168 Durant Brooks P.......F........F
6 180 Kareem Moore S.......C........C
6 186 Colt Brennan QB......C........C
7 242 Rob Jackson DE.......C........C
7 249 Chris Horton S..........A........B

I know you need to wait 2-3 years to adequately judge a draft, but this is how I would grade the 2008 haul.

As far as the 5 guys drafted in the 6th-7th rd, extra credit given if they either contributed last year or have managed to make the 53 man roster.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Would not mind having DT and MM on the edges w/MK in the slot. Davis and Yoder at TE. Find out if these players can play to determine if Cooley or Moss are able to be traded.

ARE needs to be cut.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't Danny Smith teach his punt return unit to run while looking at the punt? If only Barnes would have done that he would have been able to get out of the way. That play is on Danny Smith for not teaching proper technique.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 3:57 PM

So "proper technique" on punt coverage is running down field while looking up at the ball?

Posted by: mack1 | December 7, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't Danny Smith teach his punt return unit to run while looking at the punt? If only Barnes would have done that he would have been able to get out of the way. That play is on Danny Smith for not teaching proper technique.

Posted by: Curzon417

If the player is looking at the punt, he won't be able to block anyone.

That was just bad luck -- don't think it was on the coaches or players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

So "proper technique" on punt coverage is running down field while looking up at the ball?

Posted by: mack1 | December 7, 2009 4:07 PM

Please mack1, some sarcasm at LS for his call on Barnes. Barnes did nothing wrong but LS can't let it go.

Like JReid, he must get some kind of info from Shankham.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, please see my 4:09 post.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

red, if anything, I say dump ARE, but KEEP everyone else...and here is what you do, you use them all, get the ball to each of these guys, sure their catches will go down but isn't a more fresh Cooley, a more effective Cooley?? Same with Davis/DT/MK/MM/SM....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Agree about keeping all except for ARE.

In the past defenses really only had to key on Portis, Cooley, and Moss. If all these young guys continue to develop it will open things up again for the offense.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 7, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV I agree on the idea of shopping Cooley, but a 3rd pick for Cooley? That seems a bit low to me. He's a 2x pro bowler, a young match up problem, and a top 5 TE. I'd take a 2nd round in 2011 increase future options in the draft.

Posted by: TWISI | December 7, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I guess this will cool off any talk about Grilliams.

His vaunted D yielded 30 points to the previously anemic Redskins offense.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Too bad JC was not able to hit him in stride on the route down the right sideline. If DT doesn't have to slow down for that pass, easy TD.

Posted by: Curzon417

Too bad DT stumbled along the sideline. He would have run it in if he didn't get tripped by the white lines.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Whoever is making coaching decisions in the redzone with the game on the line is sabotoging the team by settling for field goals. The play calling was designed to settle for field goals on the last drives of the Rams, Cowboys, Eagles & Saints games. The Rams game was almost lost by settling for a FG. As long as the offensive coaches lose their nerve when the game is on the line, the skins will continue to play well enough to "lose"

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 7, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

As soon as Suisham misses the FG in Dallas - you know the final score, can see it etched in granite, and the day goes south.

As soon as Philly gets the 2pt conversion - the final score is practically tattooed on your forearm and you miss the exit and start fighting with your wife.

And when Suisam misses the chip shot FG (you swore you wouldn't pay attention this week) you know in your BONES they lose in overtime by 3 and turn off the computer.

This doesn't happen to teams that have been put together and managed and coached effectively. Good for them for coming close again . . . how's that working out for you? For me, it SUCKS.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 7, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"Although Thomas, pass-catching tight end Fred Davis and backup wideout Malcolm Kelly have shown progress after struggling as rookies last season"

Does anyone else find this funny...really, they struggled as rookies?? Wow...thats NEVER happened....first time for everything I guess....thats just like a double move...nothing you can do about it...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

My bad Curzon417.

Posted by: mack1 | December 7, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Too bad DT stumbled along the sideline. He would have run it in if he didn't get tripped by the white lines.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 4:15 PM

I know you're a JC backer and that's fine. But if DT does not have to slow down and turn inside for that catch (read being hit on stride) he does not fall down.

JC almost never hits his receivers on stride.

JC had a good game and I think he needs to be tendered (if uncapped 2010) and kept next year. But I need to see more before I say sign him to big money.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Did you ever notice how Zornby's hair looks like the back of a porcupine with all them quills sticking out? Dude should get some gunk and plaster his hair to his head. It would improve his on-field decision making immensely since he would not lose his train of thought being derailed by spiky hair sending it shooting out into the ether.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Why would you blow this team up completely when we finally have some YOUNG talent showing that they can play. FINALLY, we have some hungry players rather than high priced FA's who have already gotten paid.

If you blow it up, then the next excuse will be "they need time to gel".

I say get younger and faster at the following positions:

QB- Collins needs to go; If you bring JC back, you gotta bring in someone who can step in and start and possibly turn the team over to.

WR/KR- ARE needs to go; We need an absolute "burner" who has the potential to take it to the house every time he touches the ball.

RB- To me, this will be where Synder/Cerrato will be tested. He's definitely on the decline as you have some young players on the come. We need youth, speed and power.

O-Line- I wouldn't be so quick to get rid of some of these guys.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Curzon,

Darren Sharper makes a play on that ball if Thomas doesn't slow down or is lead down field.

He may not be that close at the time of the catch but he had coverage down field.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 7, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

If we can spread the ball around to all of them, the Offense will be more effective all around...then they can stop focusing on just Cooley and Moss, it would nice to see some more seam routes or TE post with how quick and tall Davis is.

F it, I say see what Moss and Cooley can get for us, keep the youngsters and see if there is an older better ARE out there to work with the youngsters, worked with Nawlins.

Second rounder or even a third rounder for Cooley sounds pretty good to me right about now...I love Cooley, but if he has value and Davis/ Yoder is playing well, why cant he be expendable...same with Moss.

Maturity BS is so stupid, your going to tell me that Moss is mature when he pouts when DT11 gets the TD call? What has Marko done to be immature?

Good Bye Zorn!

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 7, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Most teams value the unknown commodity that a draft pick represents rather than trading for a proven player with a resume of success.

I'd trade Cooley tomorrow for a 2010 3rd. Tony Gonzalez has set the trade value for a TE and even @ TG's age, Cooley doesn't compare. I like Cooley but he is more in the range of a top 10-15 TE in the league.

Here is ten guys ahead of him: Dallas Clark, Jason Witten, Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, Vernon Davis, Kellen Winslow, Brent Celek, Heath Miller, Greg Olsen, & Jeremy Shockey.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

It's good to see Campbell has shaken off that funk he went into midseason around the KC/TB games.

No surprise that he looks legit when his offensive line plays well and his receivers step up outside of the usual suspects (Moss and Cooley).

Sherm Lewis has worked wonders with his gameplans.

Devin Thomas has finally stepped into his own as a legit starting WR in this league.

Watching this game, New Orleans lives off of unorthodox throws and the receivers making adjustments in the air. I've always tried to put my finger on the difference between this offense and the offenses run by Brady and Manning in their record-setting years, and I think what makes the difference is how unusually imprecise the Saints are on offense. And don't get me wrong, that's not a bad thing, because it makes them so unpredictable. A couple times (and many more on the season) WRs were well covered, only to be purposefully underthrown with the expectation of making an adjustment on the ball. This is something that Campbell and these WRs need to incorporate into their repertoire. Everything seems to need to be perfectly precise in this offense, and New Orleans is putting on a clinic this season for why it doesn't necessarily have to be.

Posted by: psps23 | December 7, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I know this is a blog and all....but does anyone else have a problem with JReid 'wishing' Swiss HAm stays just because he likes him??

And if he outwardly feels like that to this one player, how far does it go? And how many players does he have this feeling towards? Or oppositte felings? And how do those feelings go into his writing articles?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 7, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

So how is everyone feeling about Cerrato's draft picks now???

I think he should feel just a little vindication. just a LITTLE

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 7, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I know you're a JC backer and that's fine. But if DT does not have to slow down and turn inside for that catch (read being hit on stride) he does not fall down.

JC almost never hits his receivers on stride.

JC had a good game and I think he needs to be tendered (if uncapped 2010) and kept next year. But I need to see more before I say sign him to big money.

Posted by: Curzon417

Yeah, you know I've never wavered from my JC support. DT scores if he doesn't stumble. I thought it was a good pass put between the zone. Even the staunchest JC critics must admit that he was very accurate throwing the deep ball yesterday.

I would agree that he shouldn't be paid elite money yet. I've said all along that he will be here for at least two more years.

The reasons we lost yesterday: LL, Sellers, a good play by Meacham, conservative play calling inside the 10 again instead of going for a TD, and THAT IDIOT KICKER!

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

JC had a good game and I think he needs to be tendered (if uncapped 2010) and kept next year. But I need to see more before I say sign him to big money.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The whole point of keeping JC around is that he doesn't require big money. He'll be offered a lower guarenteed incentive laden deal. No, he may not hit his receivers in stride all the time but the money and draft pick we save can be used somehwere else. I'd rather have a team that has a good running game and good passing game than 1 with a great passing game and poor running game. Pure passing teams are too easy to shut down. Look at the Pats agianst the Giants and the Cards last year. You need to be able to run too.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 7, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts...

1) We can talk all day about how much JC has improved, but he has yet to lead this team on a game winning drive. I cannot give him a frachise QB contract...a modest tender yes...but not big money.

2) Zorn should be fired...He only has played these young guys because he's had to. These guys were put on the shelf behind higher paid, lesser producing players.

3) We always talk about getting young guys on the cheap through the draft. We now have some young decent (not great) talent on the O-line...now you wanna blow it up so other teams may reap all of our hard work we put into BMW and Heyer.

4) The Redskins do not need an overhaul, but upgrades at certain positions.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

trading cooley, is short-sighted....so you trade cooley, and suddenly Davis gets hurt...now your starting TE is Yoder....so what did you gain?? You went from a position of strength, to a definitive weakness......

You don't trade a position of strength..you UTILIZE IT....You throw the ball 10 times a game to FD/CC and let the LB/S wear themselves out trying to tackle those guys...just like RB used to be a position of strength, until JZ refused to play LB, and portis got worn to a nub....

trading cooley is just foolish....don't trade him, USE HIM...make two TE's a integral part of your offense...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Curzon,

Darren Sharper makes a play on that ball if Thomas doesn't slow down or is lead down field.

He may not be that close at the time of the catch but he had coverage down field.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 7, 2009 4:30 PM |

Watching it on DVR right now. Sharper is only a factor because DT had to slow down. Here is a link. play is at the 2:11 mark.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009120608/2009/REG13/saints@redskins#tab:watch

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Here is ten guys ahead of him: Dallas Clark, Jason Witten, Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, Vernon Davis, Kellen Winslow, Brent Celek, Heath Miller, Greg Olsen, & Jeremy Shockey.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse


Are all these guys ahead of Cooley on the waiting list at Applebee's?

Cuz they all sure as heck aren't ahead of him when it comes to proven talent as an NFL TE...

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he should not have stumbled but not getting a TD there is on JC's throw.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Here is ten guys ahead of him: Dallas Clark, Jason Witten, Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, Vernon Davis, Kellen Winslow, Brent Celek, Heath Miller, Greg Olsen, & Jeremy Shockey.
Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Whooo, how quickly we forget Cooley! I like the guy, but think some skins fans overrate him. That said, he's easily Top10 if you ask me. I'd take him over shockey, todays Gonzalez, Vernon, Kellen, celek and maybe more. But if we could get a high pick for him, seeya. But really, cooley can stay, they just need to involve Fred, which they had refused before their hand was forced.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

QB- Collins needs to go; If you bring JC back, you gotta bring in someone who can step in and start and possibly turn the team over to.

Posted by: rickyroge

You constantly say "bring in someone else to replace JC" but never offer up a name. Is it a rookie? FA? WHO?

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Until yesterday everyone had left this team for dead.

It was good to see them play some good football. Hard to see them come so close to a major upset.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 7, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

do you think the offense looks good with sherm calling the plays bc no one has his tendencies down yet? like when zorn started out 6-2

Posted by: follybeach | December 7, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I like the idea of using them both, however I like the idea of getting a 3rd rounder this year, better. I personally cant fault Yoder as a back up or a starter if someone gets hurt, he scores td's when thrown too and he blocks well.

If we could get a starting G or OT in the 3rd round for Cooley, I would take that every day or vice versa for Davis, I dont care, but we are going to have to be creative to get more depth at all positions.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 7, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Here is ten guys ahead of him: Dallas Clark, Jason Witten, Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, Vernon Davis, Kellen Winslow, Brent Celek, Heath Miller, Greg Olsen, & Jeremy Shockey.


Posted by: Diesel44

Vernon Davis, Kellen Winslow, Brent Celek, Heath Miller, Greg Olsen, & Jeremy Shockey are not better than Cooley. Vernon Davis is finally doing something this year and the others can't compete with Cooley's 2 Pro Bowls.

Another classic case of us appreciating other team's players instead of our own.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

do you think the offense looks good with sherm calling the plays bc no one has his tendencies down yet? like when zorn started out 6-2

Posted by: follybeach | December 7, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse


When Zorn went 6-2, it was because he was still using Joe Gibbs' running plays.

Once teams figured that out, and Portis wore down, and teams stacked the line, and Zorn actually had to implement his own ideas/plays/schemes in the passing game...well, we all know what happened at that point...

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The best part was watching the D get after Brees (going Voodoo rag doll on him).

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 7, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Watch the throw to Moss on the right sideline, also under thrown. If not, another TD.

Happy w/how JC played, but he could have done better.

Just sayin

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

2) Zorn should be fired...He only has played these young guys because he's had to. These guys were put on the shelf behind higher paid, lesser producing players.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 4:39 PM |

Plus you can chalk up Moore, Barn, Suis and Sell to bad luck but some of it is the result of subconscious not having a focused, disciplined att, which has to be laid at the foots of the HC Zornopotamus.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

The refs stole yesterdays game...and that kicker

Posted by: dmlopez1 | December 7, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse


...and those 400+ yards that Brees tacked on our secondary's hindquarters...

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Wait, I take that back, the best part was watching the Offense move the ball.

I forgot what that looked like in maroon and black.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 7, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"but we are going to have to be creative to get more depth at all positions"

you're contradicting yourself, since cooley went down, its been proven they have good depth at TE...until you trade cooley, they TE becomes a position of need....draft OL, but keep the depth at TE...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts...

1) We can talk all day about how much JC has improved, but he has yet to lead this team on a game winning drive. I cannot give him a frachise QB contract...a modest tender yes...but not big money.

2) Zorn should be fired...He only has played these young guys because he's had to. These guys were put on the shelf behind higher paid, lesser producing players.

3) We always talk about getting young guys on the cheap through the draft. We now have some young decent (not great) talent on the O-line...now you wanna blow it up so other teams may reap all of our hard work we put into BMW and Heyer.

4) The Redskins do not need an overhaul, but upgrades at certain positions.

Posted by: rickyroge

According the Fox JC has 7 4th Quarter drives. It was JC that got them inside the 10 with a minute and a half left to ice the game too.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I would like to know how many plays Zorn called yesterday, he sounded like the DT11 td pass across the middle was his call during his press conference, unless someone heard otherwise.

Still wondering why we dont throw any corner patterns or fades when we are in the Redzone, you could go either way if you played MK12 or MM84 on each side, or maybe a bootleg with both crossing...I would love to have seen another bootleg run by JC into the endzone at the end of the quarter

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 7, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Enough of the hitting DT in stride talk, DT took some steps and then tripped. Jason looked great yesterday, I mean what else can you do, throw for 350+ yds and 3 TD's is fine for me.

The key is that he did not get sacked yesterday, and with time he was shredding it. The young recievers are good.

I swear you guys on here expect way too much. If the QB isn't 40/40 with 500 yds and 7 TD's then he had an awful game.

He had a couple drives where he single handedly took us down the field.

Blame the kicker......this is 100% his fault. I would have been afraid to walk back into the locker room if I was him.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 7, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

You don't trade a position of strength..you UTILIZE IT....You throw the ball 10 times a game to FD/CC and let the LB/S wear themselves out trying to tackle those guys...just like RB used to be a position of strength, until JZ refused to play LB, and portis got worn to a nub....

trading cooley is just foolish....don't trade him, USE HIM...make two TE's a integral part of your offense...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Exactly, its like we have a fear of having roster depth!

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I would like to know how many plays Zorn called yesterday, he sounded like the DT11 td pass across the middle was his call during his press conference, unless someone heard otherwise.

=======================

Agree. Thought he sounded like the kid who won the science project. All proud of himself.

Should have called that play at the end of the game when he had the chance.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

trading cooley is just foolish....don't trade him, USE HIM...make two TE's a integral part of your offense...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 7, 2009 4:39 PM |

You needs to be flex. If trade offer good at crit point in draft mebbe do trade.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Greg

No contradiction, we have depth at TE with Cooley, Davis, Yoder...trade Cooley and we will still have depth, Sellars can play the TE position or we can get a younger, cheaper TE to move in. I understand where you are coming from, like I said, I just would rather have a higher pick to get other positions of need.

Not sure if would matter if Vinny is still here, probably draft another bust LB, but who knows if these guys are really bust or Zorn is too much of a control freak to let them play...

Not to mention that I think Davis has the potential to be better than Cooley and dont want to see him rot next year on the bench when Cooley is out there running around for 5 yard gains.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 7, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Thanks h8er I agree.
But too many peeps are out to place the blame.

Why? Give it a rest.


Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 7, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Enough of the hitting DT in stride talk, DT took some steps and then tripped. Jason looked great yesterday, I mean what else can you do, throw for 350+ yds and 3 TD's is fine for me.

=========================

Watch the video on the link I posted earlier. Two TDs not made because the ball was under thrown.

I thought JC played fine, but was late with some throws including the INT. If he is not late there, the way the Skins were playing, who knows...instead he is late and the pass is intercepted.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"7 242 Rob Jackson DE"


The forgotten one.

He made a couple of nice plays yesterday.

Jackson, Orakpo, Jarmon, and Carter: that's a nice quartet of ends--three young'ns and a superb vet.

And speaking of that vet, can I say what hasn't said.

Andre Carter belongs in the Pro Bowl.

Yes I said that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

instead he is late and the pass is intercepted.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 4:55 PM

I dont know if it is being late with the throw or staring down the receiver so it would not matter if throw was perfect, if they know you are going there, it will be easier to defend.

The INT by Samuels, looked to be the same thing, JC staring down the WR and the DB stepping in front of it.

It was a Loss nonetheless, but it was good to see some of these younger players play well and have fun.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 7, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know M_ZENDEJAS_email_ADD??

Posted by: MARTY_S_EMAIL_ADD | December 7, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter belongs in the Pro Bowl.

Yes I said that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 4:57 PM

As long as AH is playing next to him...AH has helped him out more than any other player on this Defense.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 7, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

_stumped-

"Until yesterday, everyone had left this team for dead."

This bloggas' opinions actually shifted after the falcons' game.

The falcons lit the skins up, but the team came out after the half, and went after the redbirds.

I don't care if we win again this year.

I do care that the offense continues to improve and the young players continue to produce.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Watching it on DVR right now. Sharper is only a factor because DT had to slow down. Here is a link. play is at the 2:11 mark.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009120608/2009/REG13/saints@redskins#tab:watch

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Look at the angle Sharper has origninally. The angle he is taking is to the spot Thomas would have been if he had continued to run full speed.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 7, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

...and those 400+ yards that Brees tacked on our secondary's hindquarters...

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2009 4:48 PM |

Skins DBs = swiss cheese

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if we win again this year.

I do care that the offense continues to improve and the young players continue to produce.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 5:02 PM

AMEN!

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 7, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

JC's deep throw to Moss was the one I thought could have been better.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 7, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

PPStr8, no way Sharper catches DT down the sideline if DT does not have to slow down. The best view is the replay and you could see that Sharper would be looking like LL on that play.

The reason is that the TE was running up the hash and kept Sharper there long enough for that play to work.

Again, JC played a good game. All I said was too bad he does not hit his receivers in stride more often. Not hating on JC.

IMO, Zorn and Shankham lost this game, not JC. What JC did not do is win the game. First because Zorn did not trust him too and 2nd because he threw the INT.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

When Zorn went 6-2, it was because he was still using Joe Gibbs' running plays.

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2009 4:45 PM |

How he do dat? Z bring in stump. Gibbs and Saun gone. Who diagram plays? Port? Hah!

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

curzon

"...I thought JC played fine, but was late with some throws including the INT."

We gotta stop analyzing Campbell like we're English majors and he's a book nobody reads anymore.

Dude's play has trended upward over the past five games.

He's survived a beating by making throws and getting up play after play.

Yesterday, without a running game, he played exceptionally.

And it's okay to acknowledge that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if we win again this year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 5:02 PM |

And I care that we don't win again this year.

3-13 = draft Okung

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday, without a running game, he played exceptionally.

And it's okay to acknowledge that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 5:11 PM

If you look as some of my post from today, I did in fact acknowledge that.

I made a comment regarding DT and got called on it.

Would I like better play from our QB on every play? Yes I would.

But I have also stated that he should be tendered and kept for next year. If there is a cap next year then JC has the upper hand and may not want to come back.

Again, not hating on JC, but am not wrong in my observation.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, surprisingly enough, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Part 1

The past 3 weeks have been enough to drive a Skins fan insane. All had similar finishes. A Redskins drive that underachieved, followed by a tying or go ahead drive by the other team followed by a failed Skins drive at the end of the 4th quarter.

The Skins have played well enough to win, leading well into the 4th quarter in all 3 games. So let's dig into that a bit.

First, the underachieving drives. Against dallas, the drive stalled on 3 straight rushing plays. Versus philly, the drive stalled with 2 rushes and 1 incomplete pass. Against the Saints, the drive again stalled on 3 straight rushes. On those 9 plays, 8 of which were runs, the Skins totaled 13 yards. The Skins clearly decided to run clock and take the ball out of the hands of the QB. Even though the QB had been effective and put the team in a good position to get more than a FG attempt. The strategy can be debated, but its clear what the strategy was.

Of course, the FG attempts were missed 2 of the 3 attempts, which left the Skins vulnerable to a comeback. And come back the other teams did.

The defensive meltdowns. The Saints managed over 100 yards of offense in the final 2 minutes of regulation. philly moved the ball for 156 yards on their last 2 drives in the 4th quarter. On the 8 play dallas TD drive, only the incomplete pass on the first play went for less than 4 yards. In the 3 games, the Skins gave up 64 points in regulation. 25 of those points came in the final 5 minutes of the 4th quarter. Stated another way, in 165 minutes (the first 55 minutes of each game), opposing teams scored 39 points -- roughly 0.24 points per minute. In the last 5 minutes of these 3 games, the defense gave up 25 points or 1.67 points per minute. That is 7 times worse!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES Part 2

And yet, even with the underachieving drive and the defensive meltdown, in all 3 games, our offense had the ball with enough time to put game-changing points on the board. A FG would have won 2 games and tied the third. And all 3 drives ended within 4 plays. Two INTs and a 4 and done. These failures are tied to Jason Campbell. In the critical drive, Campbell has simply been bad. Prior to the critical drive situations in these 3 games, Campbell had thrown 70 completions in 105 attempts for roughly 800 yards and 2 picks. Quality stuff. In the critical drive, Campbell is 6 of 11 for 59 yards and 2 picks. Yuck. Campbell had done good things late in games in 2008, he has regressed in a very important area.

Now a cynic might suggest that Zorn calls the plays in the last two minutes, and the sound of Zorn's voice in Campbell's headset is so upsetting that Campbell melts down. It's as good as any other theory and its tempting to run with that.

But perhaps what is most obvious is this. The Skins played 3 teams with a combined record of 28-8 -- and led all these games late in the 4th quarter. It tends to validate Vinny Cerrato's assessment that this team has playoff talent, especially as some of the younger players he drafted have performed. Which causes tremendous anxiety, because one would expect a major shake-up to an organization that put a 3-9 product on the field. And yet, the recent string of good games shows the roster is competitive. Which begs the question, are the key people (exec VP, HC and QB) in this drama known as DEBACLE '09 ® taking credit for what is happening or trying to distance themselves from it?

And that is a wrap on this weeks' earlier than usual edition of ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, once again, brought to us by the fine people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

When Zorn went 6-2, it was because he was still using Joe Gibbs' running plays.

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2009 4:45 PM |

How he do dat? Z bring in stump. Gibbs and Saun gone. Who diagram plays? Port? Hah!

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse


He do dat cuz all dem playas already knows it. Huh!

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_redskins?Rookie-Coach-Zorn-Takes-Redskins-Mantle-=1&blockID=12580&tagID=94


Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"PPStr8, no way Sharper catches DT down the sideline if DT does not have to slow down."

Agree to disagree.

I think Sharper has the angle on him. I think running full speed they both would arrive around the 15yd line at the same time.

Either way I think Campbell has played pretty well the past few weeks and deserves to be around next year. 5 weeks ago I don't think I would have said the same.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 7, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday, without a running game, he played exceptionally.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 5:11 PM |

You doofapotamus. Dud threw int at gut check time.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Reid you have been one of Thomas' biggest critics as you said. Why? Because you r a j erk.

I wish I could smear 11's performance in your face and every other p rick critical know nothing that isn't doing any thing to help this team

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I thought JC 17 played well yesterday. My biggest concern is the repeating trend that he is unable to lead that "LAST POSSESSION OF THE GAME - GAME ON THE LINE, drive for the winning FG." Again this week, we failed to even get near scoring position.

Until he takes that next step, he will never be an elite QB.

Posted by: edvar | December 7, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Either way I think Campbell has played pretty well the past few weeks and deserves to be around next year. 5 weeks ago I don't think I would have said the same.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 7, 2009 5:20 PM

Not disagreeing with this at all.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

as for the hitting Thomas in stride argument -- we scored a TD on that drive -- it didn't impact the outcome one bit.

If this is a comment on Campbell's deep throw ability, OK. I'd like a perfect throw hitting the player in stride. However, slightly underthrown ball can be caught since the WR can slow up a bit. A slightly overthrow is going to be incomplete. It was a good pass, and possibly a TD if Thomas doesn't stumble over the yard line.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if we win again this year.
There is a CowPies game coming up.
After they get cleated by NO next week, we'll have a chance to kick their sorry CowPie cowchips up and down the field and out of their precious little playoff spot.
Someone might be able to do the calculus and figure out how many draft slots it will cost, but whatever the cost it WILL BE WORTH IT.

Posted by: daggar | December 7, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Diesel44

Vernon Davis, Kellen Winslow, Brent Celek, Heath Miller, Greg Olsen, & Jeremy Shockey are not better than Cooley. Vernon Davis is finally doing something this year and the others can't compete with Cooley's 2 Pro Bowls.

Another classic case of us appreciating other team's players instead of our own.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 4:45 PM

I appreciate him but I'm also realistic. This roster is not a healthy CC47 away from being a factor.

This team is 3-9 and nobody is above being traded, if the right value comes back in return.

I'm saying that he's worth more to this team then say a 4th rd pick. I'd take a 3rd but that won't happen for a guy going into his 7th year, his contract, and how teams value draft picks.

The top 10 list is debatable as is your evaluation on the actual talent on this roster

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe people are nitpicking JC's play. He played well yesterday - period end of sentence. Nothing he did yesterday cost the skins the game and had they won no one would be talking about any throws he missed or had picked.

Shameless plug: I predicted in May that DT would lead the team in TDs and that Davis would have more TDs than Cooley.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 7, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Daggar, you are the man.

F DALLAS!

Posted by: edvar | December 7, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

If this is a comment on Campbell's deep throw ability, OK. I'd like a perfect throw hitting the player in stride. However, slightly underthrown ball can be caught since the WR can slow up a bit. A slightly overthrow is going to be incomplete. It was a good pass, and possibly a TD if Thomas doesn't stumble over the yard line.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2009 5:24 PM

What it was was an observation on DT and that play. Wish JC hit his WR in stride more, but he is throwing catch-able balls, so can't complain too much.

DT did stumble and the play was over. Like you said, still got the TD.

Still think that the JC supporters need to stop taking it personal if there is a negative comment made about JC.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Let me chime in on JC.

The only reason you keep JC is because you have too many other needs and there are no sure things at QB coming out of the draft. No keepers in FA either.

In an uncapped year, you can tender JC and not give up big $$ to keep him here. A capped year is a different story and makes the Skins FO make a decision on what they want to do.

JC is not a winner and will never take a team to a SB. Of course this is my opinion, but what is anyone else posting but their opinion?

LL has a better chance then JC to be successful on another team because they would more appropriately use him at SS.

JC is a good safe QB or back-up. Call me a hater if you want, but JC would not be one of the 5 QBs I would pick to start for my team. If he is not in the top 5 why would you want him?

Having said that, JC had a good game yesterday and did not lose the game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

He do dat cuz all dem playas already knows it. Huh!

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_redskins?Rookie-Coach-Zorn-Takes-Redskins-Mantle-=1&blockID=12580&tagID=94

Posted by: p1funk | December 7, 2009 5:19 PM |

What kind of cred can your refer have when it have this sentence?

"If nothing else, the offense should be more prolific because the Gibbs-Saunders tension over play-calling is a thing of the past, with Zorn now undisputedly in charge -- and relishing the task with a can-do attitude that applies to everything he does."

Dude not in charge and if anything, pathetic not prolific. Hah!

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I've been defending the sophomores from day 1, I'm so glad DT showed us all what he can do.

I wish more journalists would do their job instead of being judgemental coach/dad blow hards

And I wish less fans would latch on to this tabloid style crap journalism

Fred Davis missed the first day of practice, alright I get it who f'in cares, but it takes a year and a half for a guy to live it down. Really irritating. If I wanted to read a tabloid like a dramatic baby I would

This is football not dr phil or the inquirer

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I see JC going to Pittsburgh or Cincy to be a decent backup to their oft-injured top ten QBs over there at the end of the year- and eventually winning a championship...But not with the Skins..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

And don't expect to see LL removed from the FS position. Moore is coming along, but LL will be staying at FS.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Well, I hope to hell you're dead wrong. We must have a decent FS and LANDRY ain't it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 7, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

JC is a good safe QB or back-up. Call me a hater if you want, but JC would not be one of the 5 QBs I would pick to start for my team. If he is not in the top 5 why would you want him?

Having said that, JC had a good game yesterday and did not lose the game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

there are more than 5 teams that could legitimately win the super bowl this year. If their qb isn't on your list, should they quit now?

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Let me start by saying this:
JC is average and steady enough to win us some games

BUT!!!!!!

Is there a drive or moment that defines his career? Has he willed us to victory?

Let's take Eli Manning...not a worldbeater, but did you see the Super Bowl pass to David Tyree...

THE COVERAGE BROKE DOWN...HE HAD NOWHERE TO GO...HE WAS VIRTUALLY SACKED AND WHAT DOES HE DO....HE MADE A PLAY THAT DEFINED HIS CAREER. Yes it was lucky, fluky, etc.

BUT

JC has not had that moment yet. He may get it but until he does, I'd proceed with caution.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Well, I hope to hell you're dead wrong. We must have a decent FS and LANDRY ain't it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 7, 2009 5:48 PM

Posted that when I was listening to Zorn's presser.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

This is football not dr phil or the inquirer

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 5:44 PM |

Speaking of inq, I hear Tiger girfy count is 6 and rising.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

there are more than 5 teams that could legitimately win the super bowl this year. If their qb isn't on your list, should they quit now?

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 5:50 PM

Nice try at attempting to put words in my mouth. What I said is:

JC would not be one of the 5 QBs I would pick to start for my team. If he is not in the top 5 why would you want him?

Never said that there were only 5 QB that could win the SB this year.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

From what I seen, I wouldn't let any of these current O-lineman go.

These guys have been in the fire and I'm sure they will be better for it, only to be traded or cut for some more unproven "talent".

I'd say draft a RT and G, and groom Edwin Williams at Center and hold fast.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

This is football not dr phil or the inquirer

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 5:44 PM |

Speaking of inq, I hear Tiger girfy count is 6 and rising.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 5:52 PM |

A pie for every port!

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you Curzon. I would not START my team with an average QB. Franchise, game changer QB's don't come along often, the problem is we've got nothing behnd Campbell. He knows they ain't puttin' Todd Collins in.

If Campbell had some young upstart behind him, then I'd bet he'd play with a little more umph!

but he has played better!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Dude, I was just reading ESPN and saw a comment that I had to post by a 'Girls fan...

Being a Cowboys fan is like being married to a woman that was an absolut freak 15 years ago. She gave you some amazing loving, made all your friends jealous.. Fast forward to now, your life no longer rocks your world. In fact, she doesn't rock much of anything anymore. But even worse, she keeps TELLING you about all the love making you are about to get. Dresses up in some fancy lingerie (Jerry World..). and then still doesn't give you any.

Posted by: TDawg1 | December 7, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I see JC starting here in DC next year, all we have to do iz match an offer.

He's 7th in comp% and the half the guys ahead of him are HOFers

He's 6th in 1st down %, these ARE elite numbers.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Being a Cowboys fan is like being married to a woman that was an absolut freak 15 years ago. She gave you some amazing loving, made all your friends jealous.. Fast forward to now, your life no longer rocks your world. In fact, she doesn't rock much of anything anymore. But even worse, she keeps TELLING you about all the love making you are about to get. Dresses up in some fancy lingerie (Jerry World..). and then still doesn't give you any.

Posted by: TDawg1 | December 7, 2009 5:59 PM |

Tiger's wifey?

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Sic, I am all for keeping JC until the opportunity to get our "franchise" QB is found (not in the 2010 draft!) though not for big $$. JC will help us win some games and with help get us into the playoffs.

I would love to be wrong about him and watch him and our young crop of receivers develop with him and take us all the way. Like Moe today, I have eaten my share of crow when I have been wrong and would gladly eat some more if I am wrong (which I may be since this is only my opinion based on observation).

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Nice try at attempting to put words in my mouth. What I said is:

JC would not be one of the 5 QBs I would pick to start for my team. If he is not in the top 5 why would you want him?

Never said that there were only 5 QB that could win the SB this year.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Not trying to put words in your mouth at all. But it's very hard to say before the fact which qbs will be top 5 in the league based on college performance. The ones who are top 5 with NFL experience aren't available (except cutler!!), so they're not relevant. My point is you can contend for a sb with a not top 5, but good qb, and it's looking like we have a good QB.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Remember Mark Rypien, league MVP, was a good QB with a stellar line and a great receiving corps...

Posted by: TDawg1 | December 7, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I see JC starting here in DC next year, all we have to do iz match an offer.

He's 7th in comp% and the half the guys ahead of him are HOFers

He's 6th in 1st down %, these ARE elite numbers.


Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse


Impressive...but at some point you have to throw the stats out the window and will your team to victory.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Campbells been steering this boat waiting for some help and finally the red shirts are stepping up.

You know who tried to blame Campbell? Danny and Vinny.

Any of you who blame Campbell are agreeing with DAn Snyder. I'm assuming you don't like snyder but you agree with him on Campbell?

He's 15th in yds and rating, 7th in comp%, 6th in first down% and we know about the line andrew injuries to portis and cooley

Blaming JC = thinking like Snyder

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

You know pabrian2003, you sure post A LOT of stats for JC 17, yet I never see you post his W/L record. You know - the ONLY ONE that matters...

Funny about that.

Posted by: edvar | December 7, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I am lovin me some Jason Campbell now. And let the record reflect, that for the most part, I have for 1-2 years. Go Jason! But man does he take his sweet time comin round. But yeah, the support. I get it.

Is Suisham gonna be axed? That's what Lavar thinks. (I don't think I can listen to Jason's monotone anymore on the report. That's brutal.)

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 7, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Not trying to put words in your mouth at all. But it's very hard to say before the fact which qbs will be top 5 in the league based on college performance. The ones who are top 5 with NFL experience aren't available (except cutler!!), so they're not relevant. My point is you can contend for a sb with a not top 5, but good qb, and it's looking like we have a good QB.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 6:07 PM

Yes, I know that those 5 QBs I would pick first are not available.

My guess is that you know what I mean yet just want to argue.

How I feel about JC is how I feel about JC. Again, since he is a Redskin, I really hope I am wrong.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Get your Indonesian Skinhead on!!!

http://www.myspace.com/fulltimeskins

Big Al needs one of the band's shirts..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Campbell called suisham last night telling him to keep his chin up.

Seriously, that's a generous move, considering suishams missed field goal robbed Jason of his game-winning-will-the-team drive that everyone criticizes him for not having, but would have led him to beat brees and the undefeated saints yesterday.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Pabrian...

What about that pick in overtime?

You can't make that mistake, especially when you haven't won enough games to excuse it away.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

ricky, I disagree you have to identify who you can win with and who you can't

Campbell isn't going to suddenly turn into Brett favre, but we won the show with rypien and we watched dilfer win it.

Campbell is a solid QB with some good years ahead of him. Now with 11 breaking out there is a chance for the WR Corp and the QB to grow together.

Its a team sport, if you can get P Manning or Favre in their prime of course you do it, but we can't Campbell has steadily improved in a climate not suited to improvement

And Collins will probably retire and Colts been hurt twice with 0 reg season play.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Curzon, I hope you're wrong too. Would be nice to have a long term answer at QB.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

the pick in OT is a huge mistake, so was the kareem Moore play (I think he was down), the sellars fumble ( also down IMO), the Suisam miss, landry getting burnt twice, smooty dropping a pick

Win as a team lose as a team

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Colts been hurt twice with 0 reg season play.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 6:19 PM |

Colt has bee hurt once as a pro. 1st hip injury was in college.

And of course there have been no players hurt in college and then again in camp.

Make a case for JC if you want, but don't stretch things to make your point.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

What about that pick in overtime?

You can't make that mistake, especially when you haven't won enough games to excuse it away.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse


Speaking of mistakes, it was in the 4th quarter, not overtime.

We all make 'em, but 17 played more than well enough to win yesterday. If we're going to be critical, CUT SUISHAM.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 7, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

and like adamcr just posted JC led us to victory and Suisam missed a gimme

I would not cut suisam either that's a snyder move that we've proven doesn't help

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

so colt gets hurt in college and the pros

Impressive

Edvar, Sonny had a losing record and is in the HOF

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Actually Gibbs 2.0 was a part time Skin , too, manging his NASCAR team at the same time..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

and like adamcr just posted JC led us to victory and Suisam missed a gimme

I would not cut suisam either that's a snyder move that we've proven doesn't help

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 6:29 PM

Not a game winning drive. That was for a 10 pt lead.

He had two game winning drive opportunites. 0-2
1st- threw int
2nd- checked down to caveman

I'm for keeping him, only because there isn't anyone better in FA and I don't want to waste a pick on a QB early.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I would not cut suisam either that's a snyder move that we've proven doesn't help

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 6:29 PM

No way you can justify keeping the idiot kicker.

1. Least accurate kicker in the league last yr.
2. Kickoffs are terrible
3. Could have sealed the cowboys and saints game and missed
4. He sucks

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

d44-it wasn't a game winning drive ONLY because Suisham missed

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Better the devil you know vs. the devil you dont.

Keep JC17, with all the stuff that has swirled around him, he has remained professional. He has gotten better each and every game. Not many QBs hit a guy in stride every play. I saw him hit Moss a few weeks back on a perfect pass.

He can do it, and has done it. He gives a chance to win every weekend. The loss is not on Campbell.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 7, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

how may kickers and punters do we have to use before we realize that they are the least important positions in the game?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

least important position in the game?

sigh

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 7, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

sellars fumble is on the booth, or on sellars, not on Campbell

D44 putting it on JC gets a c'mon man and a, your a snydrrato clone

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

We should be able to draft a good kicker in the 4th round...

Posted by: WRBD | December 7, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I should of said Vinny can...

Posted by: WRBD | December 7, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

this blog is ridiculous. hopefully we lose every game for the rest of the year, draft new o-lineman and linebackers and possibly a corner. jason campbell sucks, but who are we going to replace him with the make the skins better? and don't come back at me with stats, i don't care about stats, jason campbell threw the worst pick ever yesterday, IN THE MOST CLUTCH MOMENT OF THE GAME. what a joke.

Posted by: BMACattack | December 7, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Tebow

Posted by: WRBD | December 7, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

d44-it wasn't a game winning drive

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 6:44 PM

He did not get it done no surprise.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

They're gonna call that Ndomakong Suh dude "KONG", after getting like five sacks against Texas and winning a zillion awards...THAT'S the dude Snyder should spend 100 mill on, the maintenance on Albert is worse then dating a downtown DC J.A.P. with a Space Shuttle, yeesh..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse


d44-it wasn't a game winning drive

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 6:44 PM

He did not get it done no surprise.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 7:05 PM

Two things that equal a game winning drive.
1. Team is losing.
2. Score is tied.

Being up 7 and settling for a FG because of Zorn is not a game winning drive.

Sellers fumbled (doesn't matter if it was a bad call) and that's not JC's fault. Just wish he didn't revert back to captain checkdown after playaction and having all day to throw.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

ho moe say what?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 7, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of who was the goat or who made mistakes or did not win the game yesterday, watching that game pumped me up to Redskins football like I have not been pumped the win streak early last year.

The Skins offense has been playing good football. They look more confident and relaxed over the last 4.5 games.

Looking forward to more good games over the next 4 weeks. And will be rooting for them to win.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

So El Tigre's loyal wife told the cops that he had been drinking all day and that he was on Ambien and Vyke-odin (the moral equivalent of heroin)..Neighbors found him unconscious beside the road covered with a blanket, beside two iron golf clubs..The FHP has re-opened their investigation (thanks, honey)..Nike's bribe and coverup machine is in high gear..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I'd much rather lose to the Saints than the Lions (never thought I'd utter words such as this).

Bring back the drop kick.

Which reminds me of an old song: Drop Kick Me Jesus through the Goal Posts of Life.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 7, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

They're gonna call that Ndomakong Suh dude "KONG

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 7:05 PM |

He just a boy named Suh, that all.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

You have to look at the season as a whole after 16 games.

Yesterday was exciting football, still a loss, but the offense actually scored 30... But that's the first time they scored 30 in 2 years.

I still believe the right thing to do is fire Jim Zorn after the season (and Vinny).

This team DOES have playoff talent on it, but it won't be maximized by Zorn's nervous, fretting, play-not-to-lose philosophy.

If they keep JC, I'd like to see the next coach revert to a Gibbs-style offense with a heavy dose of running, play action pass and deeper throws to make the best use of Campbell's arm strength.

I don't like the WCO, and this "version" of it (if you can call it that) does not seem to create any RHYTHM for the offensive players to get into.

That's my two cents.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

So El Tigre's loyal wife told the cops that he had been drinking all day and that he was on Ambien and Vyke-odin (the moral equivalent of heroin)..Neighbors found him unconscious beside the road covered with a blanket, beside two iron golf clubs..The FHP has re-opened their investigation (thanks, honey)..Nike's bribe and coverup machine is in high gear..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 7:36 PM |

The first match of year goin be real zoo - mischievous youngsters running around chanting:

Tiger, Tiger,
Burning bright;
How many babes
You goin bone tonight?

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Mistah Kong, SUH!!

That viking beetch going to cut it off with an old razor while he's passed out on Vyke-odin..Then put it in her trophy case..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

If they keep JC, I'd like to see the next coach revert to a Gibbs-style offense with a heavy dose of running, play action pass and deeper throws to make the best use of Campbell's arm strength.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 7, 2009 7:44 PM |

That's what Saints were doing. Skinz WRs bit hard on play action. And joke is Saints don't have much of a running game. But Brees do good sell job.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I can only imagine that all the golf announcers are being handed phrases to avoid.

"Tiger's drive is crashing into the trees"
"Tiger's got a hot putter"
"Tiger stuck that one into a woman in the gallery"

etc...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Two things that equal a game winning drive.
1. Team is losing.
2. Score is tied.

Being up 7 and settling for a FG because of Zorn is not a game winning drive.

Sellers fumbled (doesn't matter if it was a bad call) and that's not JC's fault. Just wish he didn't revert back to captain checkdown after playaction and having all day to throw.

Posted by: Diesel44

It's amazing how we continue to nit pick JC's performance yesterday. Give the dude his props. We continue to forget this is the best QB we've had in 15 years (OK the one Brad Johnson year. He's not Manning or Brees so get over it.

I made this analogy a week ago regarding Brees in San Diego. Everyone said Brees wasn't a winner, he's too short, doesn't read defenses well enough. San Diego was so convinced that he was a bum that they used their top pick to take Manning/Rivers.

They finally surrounded Brees with talent in San Diego and they started winning. I say this because I see the same thing happening with JC. The talent is developing and he's looking better and better. Remember, this is Bree's 9th year and I believe he has started since the middle of his rookie year.

The right system will get you a successful QB. I could only imagine if Brees was in DC for the first 3-4 years of his career as a starter, we would have run him out town quickly.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

That's what Saints were doing. Skinz WRs bit hard on play action. And joke is Saints don't have much of a running game. But Brees do good sell job.

Posted by: ElevatorAl

The Saints are a good running team. I know Brees gets the pub, but I believe they are ranked in the top 10.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I liked yesterday's offense. I could get used to watching some exciting football. I'm not a big fan of run, run, run, keep it close and hope to win at the end. Shanahan's team will be exciting like yesterday's game.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 7, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

That viking beetch going to cut it off with an old razor while he's passed out on Vyke-odin..Then put it in her trophy case..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 7:52 PM |

Jesus. "John Wayne Bobbit" without happy ending. Instead ending in trophy case.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

The Saints are a good running team. I know Brees gets the pub, but I believe they are ranked in the top 10.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 7:58 PM |

You right. But Skinz held to 55 yds. They wasn't goin nowhere so no need bite on play action.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

You gotta love the eternally underdawg Saints, though..Yeah, talk about your jinxed mojos and embarassing franchises- they were the joint, alongside the Cubs..I'll root for 'em, New Orleans is like old DC, funky, free and fresh, with plenty of black people to infuse rythym to the tired old stale white businessmen, right??

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I can only imagine that all the golf announcers are being handed phrases to avoid.

"Tiger's drive is crashing into the trees"
"Tiger's got a hot putter"
"Tiger stuck that one into a woman in the gallery"

etc...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 7, 2009 7:53 PM |

How about

"Tiger's putts in the hole."

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

You gotta love the eternally underdawg Saints, though..Yeah, talk about your jinxed mojos and embarassing franchises- they were the joint, alongside the Cubs..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 8:14 PM |

If Saints succeed in spit of owner there hope for Skinz.

Posted by: ElevatorAl | December 7, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Many on this blog would love a chance to spit on the Skins owner.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that Superdome during Katrina, where people were dying, getting murdered and raped, " WELCOME TO THE SUPERDOME, HOME OF YOUR NEW ORLEEEANS SAINTS!!!" guns firing at choppers overhead, people rotting dead in the street outside, stores pillaged,mayhems of mercs...gnarly, dude..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Maybe interesting... Mike Martz more or less blames the Saints' last double-move TD on Smoot more so than LL. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-the-coaches/09000d5d814cc475/The-Coaches-Saints-chalk-talk

I still think Landry can't bite that hard in that situation.

Posted by: closer44 | December 7, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"...he (Campbell) should be tendered and kept for next year. If there is a cap next year then JC has the upper hand and may not want to come back."


So when do you tender him?

Me, I play it safe and sign him before the season ends.

Get him in the house asap and you get him cheap.

Carlos Rogers is the one I'd let hit the open market.

And if he's gone, well, that's playing time for Tyron, Westbrook, some drafted guy, and Barnes to fight over.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Curzon417:

You spit on the owner and I'll kick him in groin. Snyder is totally out of his element in owing an NFL team. The guy needs to gather some talented "football people" around him to run this franchise. He still has time to save face, but time-is-a-running-out. I'm with you that JC is in need of better accuracy...also, I would like to see him roll (designed roll) once in a while.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 7, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"...he (Campbell) should be tendered and kept for next year. If there is a cap next year then JC has the upper hand and may not want to come back."


So when do you tender him?

Me, I play it safe and sign him before the season ends.

Get him in the house asap and you get him cheap.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 8:45 PM

What happens when JC's agent says no to a contract until after the end of the season?

I hear what you are saying, but both sides need to want to deal and after last offseason I can't see JC's camp wanting to accommodate the FO.

JC is in the driver's seat until an uncapped year is official.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Curzon417:

You spit on the owner and I'll kick him in groin. Snyder is totally out of his element in owing an NFL team. The guy needs to gather some talented "football people" around him to run this franchise. He still has time to save face, but time-is-a-running-out. I'm with you that JC is in need of better accuracy...also, I would like to see him roll (designed roll) once in a while.

Posted by: smokeybear2

Please, Please, Please stop with the JC is inaacurate crap. The dude is 6th in the league in completion percentage. Now, of course he misses a few but what QB doesn't? I swear we heard someone say that before and everyone bit.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Agree smokeybear, you have a mobile QB and don't design more roll out plays or roll the pocket to his right.

And at 6'5" why has there not been a QB sneak in short yardage situations?

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

dcwun, a list of approved topics will help us help you.

Thanks.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Disappointing loss; most facets covered already. LL is a clown that doen't make me laugh. Soup's numbers were better. However, the game announcers mentioned repeatedly that NO's top three corners did not play yesterday. Guess that's why Soup(17-31, as a starter) was getting away w/ staring down read one or two most of the day (the usual) and getting away w/ it. Moss was wide open 10-20 yards past Soup's pick throw at the end, just like he's been open for five years and not getting the ball at the right time. The excuses around the losing change by the week, but the QB that wins 35% of his starts doesn't. He's been the common thread of losing since he was handed the job. The excuses around the team losing have changed as long as Vinny's been here too, but he's been stealing checks for ten years. 5-15 in the last 20....No more excuse and lose, more step up and win. Winning teams play players that win games as much as possible at any position from the highest paid to the lowest paid. I'm sure there's a QB out there that could win more than 35% of started games.

Posted by: Realness1 | December 7, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

dcwun:

I didn't say JC couldn't hit an open receiver to save his mother's life, just saying his accuracy needs work. Also, it should be taken into consideration that most of JC's throws are high percentage, safe throws...contributing to in large degree to his completion percentage.

I'm not a JC hater. I think he can be really good behind a better line and if he rolls more...he seems like the type of dude that gets "cold" and shanks--keep him moving and in rhythm.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 7, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

jason campbell is not clutch. he had a chance to put away the game yesterday. what did he do? throw a crappy interception, not even like a bad luck interception, a horrible throw interception. still, the skins should keep him and still try to develop him. also, the wco works, you need a good o-line in order to run it though, skins don't have that currently, and did not have it even when thomas and samuels were healthy, not because they suck, but because they were old. we got crushed by the gints in the first game of the season, and that was when we were healthy. so bloggers, please stop saying jc is inaccurate, it is not true, he just is not clutch. please stop saying that this year is lost because of injuries, we were bad to begin with. the ownership and fo create a lackadaisical atmosphere for these players. in order for the redskins to ever be a potential force in the nfl, it starts with ownership, jim zorn just got caught in the middle.

Posted by: BMACattack | December 7, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

"jason campbell is not clutch. he had a chance to put away the game yesterday. what did he do?"

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Drove them down the field for a game clinching 23-yard FG that went wide right. I'm not saying he's great, just answering your question.

Posted by: closer44 | December 7, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Feel sorry for that Minnesota linebacker last night. After that hit from his own player, his leg reminded me of a helicopter blade flaying in the air before his body came to a stop. Ouch.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 7, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

JC is in the driver's seat until an uncapped year is official.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 8:53 PM |

Camp has looked better recent because of improved play call and WR play. But he is still inconsistent, prone to brain farts (int at end of game) so Skinz should not major invest in him. Mebbe 2 yrs with raise and if another team makes better offer then sayonara bubbie.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | December 7, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

LL Not So Cool Jay, those smokes never tasted so bad, DON'T BITE SO QUICK, FINISH THE TACKLE,KNOW WHEN TO WRAP UP OR LOWER THE BOOM..The monster play burns against you are killing us..

JC I can't make my mind up about- he's just not consistent enough, but has moments brimming with perfection..He's a smashmouth qb, not a WC..If he had a decent smashmouth O-line, a runner like Ingram , and the current set of receivers, Sherman or Shanahan as OC, he could be dope..D. Thomas I want to see bust the deep in-route like Meacham did us yesterday to send the game into overtime..He's great on the sidelines routes, as is Davis, but I want to see SPEED KILLS for about 70 yards down the middle..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

D. Thomas I want to see bust the deep in-route like Meacham did us yesterday to send the game into overtime..He's great on the sidelines routes, as is Davis, but I want to see SPEED KILLS for about 70 yards down the middle..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 9:25 PM |

He good on returns also. Skinz need better ST coach.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | December 7, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

curzon

"...and after last offseason I can't see JC's camp wanting to accommodate the FO. JC is in the driver's seat until an uncapped year is official."

Right on, bro'.

The skins are about to learn that the NFL is a business.

And they are also about to learn that like a pissed and cheated on wife, karma is a b!tch.

Soup's agent will respond to the FO's contract offer while wearing a Matt Sanchez So Cal trojan jersey.

He'll do a media conference call while wearing Jay Cutler broncos' jersey.

And when the Danny and Vinny try to patch things up with a no-hard-feelings dinner, Soup will look over at Albert Haynesworth's $48 million platter and say, "I'll eat what he's having."

"And you guys can have the plate of crow."

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 7, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I hadn't heard about that and just looked it up--man that was gruesome, hoping he has a speedy recovery. It was weird, though. It was like he barely got clipped by his own guy. Damn.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 7, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

That pretty much sums it up MistaMoe.

Like this season, oh well...

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Ravens missing Ed Reed big time..Reed would be chief or king of the village back in the day..

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

If JC stays, there will be some screaming from the mountaintops.

If JC goes, there will be people screaming from the mountaintops.

I have no problem if he stays, but I'd bring in somebody behind him.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Bad as that injury was, Henderson could be ready for training camp.

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Doctor: Don't be surprised if Vikings' E.J. Henderson is back by training camp

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_13946019?nclick_check=1

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

HEISMAN Time

Pure fantasy(?): pick the guy you'd hope to become a redskin from this list:


Tim Tebow

Colt McCoy

Mark Ingram

Toby Gerhart

Ndamukong Suh

Moe says none of the above.

I'm a CJ Spiller man.

Suh would be awesome playing alongside Prince Al.

Is Ingram all that or is that great o-line at 'Bama that great?

McCoy is indeed intriguing--not!!!!!

Tebow will make money as a motivational speaker and tv media sports guy.

Gerhart would be the closet choice.

I'd call him Riggo 2.0--because if the skins take a lineman in round 1, he or Dwyer would be the best choice in round 2.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

JC may or may not be the QB next year. Either way, I think we can all agree that he has earned himself a lot of jack the last 3 games and he has a ton to play for down the stretch.

He's also not going to give us a hometown deal. His agent is going to look at the deal Matt Cassell received and say that's where we will start.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,

No way I would have given JC a long term deal at the beginning of the season.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Tim Tebow - no way, no how

Colt McCoy - same as tebow

Mark Ingram - if we had a better run blocking OL

Toby Gerhart - if spiller and Dwyer are gone and is available in the 4th.

Ndamukong Suh - Yes. Would be hard pressed to take Okung over Suh if both were available.

Would only take Spiller if Okung is already gone.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Curz, link isn't working, what's the source? That would be frickin amazing.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 7, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Moe-

Suh: will be gone.
Ingram: not a top 10 guy
McCoy: no thanks
Gerhart: we have a team full of 4.6 40 guys
Tebow: some team is going to make Shuler type mistake, not us
Spiller: YES

Two guys not on your list
Okung: Lions will draft him
Berry: Yes, next Ed Reed

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

JC has nothing to bargain with except a few statistically good games.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

JC may or may not be the QB next year. Either way, I think we can all agree that he has earned himself a lot of jack the last 3 games and he has a ton to play for down the stretch.

He's also not going to give us a hometown deal. His agent is going to look at the deal Matt Cassell received and say that's where we will start.


Posted by: Diesel44

I see you've changed regarding JC over the last few weeks. You are correct about where they will start. I see the Skins having to give up a little more than they planned. They'll have to cough up a little extra "make up" money.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Curz, link isn't working, what's the source? That would be frickin amazing.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 7, 2009 10:09 PM

Read it first at PFT (link below) which has a direct link to the article I tried to link to.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/07/ej-henderson-could-be-running-in-two-months/

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

JC has nothing to bargain with except a few statistically good games.

Posted by: rickyroge

What do all players in the NFL have to bargain with? Stats are everything in the NFL. JC playing through the circus that surrounded him this year gives him even more props with other NFL front offices.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

rickroge

"No way I would have given JC a long term deal at the beginning of the season."

"JC has nothing to bargain with except a few statistically good games."

Trudat to all of that.

But doncha like how it's starting to play out like a movie?

You know: the young gunslinger no one has faith end shows some signs of life and forces the alleged 'smart people' to make some cold business decisions.

Now is the time for the skins' FO to be on the top of its game.

After all: the skins could sign him to a great deal for both sides, and he could continue to tease and fail with greatness.

They could not sign him, he goes to, say, Carolina, and benefits from a running game and great offensive line.

Look at how the bucs let Gradowski go, he heads to the raiders and looks sharp.

At some point, the skins FO must make a decision.

And it's gonna be a lil interesting to seehow it all works out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Right on, bro'.

The skins are about to learn that the NFL is a business.

And they are also about to learn that like a pissed and cheated on wife, karma is a b!tch.

Soup's agent will respond to the FO's contract offer while wearing a Matt Sanchez So Cal trojan jersey.

He'll do a media conference call while wearing Jay Cutler broncos' jersey.

And when the Danny and Vinny try to patch things up with a no-hard-feelings dinner, Soup will look over at Albert Haynesworth's $48 million platter and say, "I'll eat what he's having."

"And you guys can have the plate of crow."

Posted by: MistaMoe

Hillarious and so so true.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I see you've changed regarding JC over the last few weeks. You are correct about where they will start. I see the Skins having to give up a little more than they planned. They'll have to cough up a little extra "make up" money.

Posted by: dcwun | December 7, 2009 10:11 PM

He's played markedly better and I'm a realist. There isn't anyone better in FA and I don't want to waste a high pick on a QB. JC isn't in the top 10 as far as things wrong with this team.

As far as him being a top 10 QB...no, but I'd like to as wrong about him as I was about DT.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

By Rich Tandler
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Curious things, habits. People themselves never knew they had them.
--Agatha Christie

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Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

dcwun...

How in the hell can you go to the bargaining table with the stats you trotted out?

You'd have to include the picks too, bruh!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

thanks, that's pretty cool, hope it works out like that. Makes me wonder what Nick Johnson's break was like. That seemed like it took forever to get better.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 7, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Is JC a leader or a manager?

Can this man put a team on his back at his own 5 yard line and lead them down the field for a touchdown trailing by 4 with a minute thirty and 1 timeout?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44

"There isn't anyone better in FA and I don't want to waste a high pick on a QB. JC isn't in the top 10 as far as things wrong with this team."

And there you go.

You know what you have with him.

Why burn cash on a draftee or FA who might not pan out?

He's a devil you know--why place hope on a dude you don't know?

Sign Campbell to the best deal you can get, patch things up, and quietly demand him to stand out in front and represent the team as a leader off the field.

If he wants 'star money,' well, stars sell jerseys and own media spotlight.

And that's a lot easier to do when you win games.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe...

I can live with that.

Also, I don't think Campbell can get cute either. I don't think there are many teams where he can go and be the clear #1 starter so he's gotta be smart too.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 7, 2009 10:31 PM

Agreed! Now lets get some speed on this roster and maybe we won't have to settle for FGs.

Just once I'd like to have a have a 1-5 play drive for a TD. If not Spiller in the 1st than McCluster from Ole Miss in the 2nd.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Also, I don't think Campbell can get cute either. I don't think there are many teams where he can go and be the clear #1 starter so he's gotta be smart too.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 10:36 PM

Best case scenario for the Skins (because that is what matters to my in the football world) is an uncapped year that gives the Skins the upper-hand. At that point he can be tendered and Skins have right of first refusal.

A capped year gives JC the upper-hand unless the Skins Franchise him, which would be a huge mistake IMO.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

'Skins will check out four kickers on Tuesday
Posted by Mike Florio on December 7, 2009 10:36 PM ET
Earlier today, Adam Schefter of ESPN reported that the Redskins would be bringing in multiple kickers for a look-see this week, after Shaun Suisham missed a 23-yarder that likely would have clinched a win over the unbeaten Saints.

Schefter had the name of one contender -- Graham Gano. Per Jason La Canfora of NFL Network, the other three are Shane Andrus, Nick Novak, and Mike Nugent.

Presumably, one of them will get the job and Suisham will get the shoe.

We suggest a spelling bee-style contest with the candidates kicking 23-yard field goals until three of them miss.

Of course, that might take a while. Most kickers, after all, never miss a 23-yard field goal.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Diesel...

We need an absolute burner at KR/WR! ...a kid with a 4.1 or 4.2 speed.

The interesting decision to be made is with Portis.

This is where the FO can show some balls...we all know that a healthy Portis is no longer a threat to take it to the house.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

What does it mean Curzon if they franchise him in a capped year?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

It's the salary they would have to pay JC for one year. I would not give him big $$ until like you and others have pointed out, that he can put the team on his back and win games for us.

The mistake would be financial.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Spiller is Chris Johnson with size and return abilities that Johnson could only dream of. He is a threat everytime he touches the ball.

I'd like to get of the Portis business and if there is an uncapped year then the decision is easy.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 7, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

What are you guys' thoughts on this patchwork O-line?

Seems like we may have a few keepers...so do we cast them off at let them be quality depth for someone else or should we draft RT and G and stand down?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Doc Walker made a good point today. We finally have what looks like a team coming together.

Do you blow that up?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 7, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Wonder why JLC did not give that scoop to his boy Reid...

Posted by: Skins930 | December 7, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

thomas is a numb nutz,even a blind squirrel can find a accorn sometime.it was really great when he peacocked around after 1 catch yelling I cant be stopped!!.wait till you actually win something to brag about how great u are

Posted by: DLESMonday | December 7, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

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WaPo just got off the phone w/Jasno.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 7, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

"Spiller is Chris Johnson with size and return abilities that Johnson could only dream of. He is a threat everytime he touches the ball."

So is McCluster, and he's just now blossoming without too much damage wear and tear, late first round/early 2nd, the numbers on the 40 and speed numbers for Spiller and McCluster are going to be outrageous, McCluster is sick quick lateral, packs a Portis punch:

Posted by: frak | December 7, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

thomas is a numb nutz,even a blind squirrel can find a accorn sometime.it was really great when he peacocked around after 1 catch yelling I cant be stopped!!.wait till you actually win something to brag about how great u are

Posted by: DLESMonday | December 7, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse


Niether Thomas, Davis, or Kelly were receivers were second round material. I still get mad when I think about this. What a freakin' joke!!!

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 8, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

I would not cut suisam either that's a snyder move that we've proven doesn't help

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 7, 2009 6:29 PM

BINGO!

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 8, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Every time I look at any Redskins comment section, someone is cutting down Campbell. The reason is, every time the skins lose, people remember the missed throw, or the sack he shouldn't have taken. But, ALL QBs have those issues. Other QBs miss throws and fumble and throw INTs. But they win because they have a better team around them. JC is the most underrated QB in the league. He is 7th in the league in completion percentage. His passer rating was better than the opposing QB's in all but 2 games this year. Translation, he played better than almost every QB he has faced. All that with the worst OL and a poor running game. Its unfair to point out that he threw an INT at the end of the game because if Suisham had made the kick, he wouldn't have needed to throw that pass. Don't expect your QB to have to win the game twice.

Campbell will get lots of interest when his contract is up. It only takes one team to have a solid interest in him to drive his price up. If I were JC, I'd leave to get away from you hypercritical fans. The Panther's fans would love him from day one.

Posted by: jelo1 | December 8, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

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