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What lies ahead for Landry after a tough season?

The worst season of safety LaRon Landry's three-year career has ended.

Landry did not practice this week after he suffered what Coach Jim Zorn has described as a "mild concussion." Landry, who will miss the first game of his NFL career, is among the players who will not make the trip to San Diego for Sunday's season finale against the Chargers.


In 15 games, Landry was credited with 90 tackles, including 78 unassisted. He had one sack and one interception, broke up six passes and forced two fumbles. Although Landry was credited with 25 more tackles than he had in the 2008 season, his tackling was suspect throughout the season and he appeared to have regressed in coverage.

At the beginning of the season, there were questions about whether Landry was better suited to playing strong safety (the position for which the Redskins drafted him) or free (the position to which he moved after the death of Sean Taylor). But with the expected overhaul of the staff after the hiring of a new head coach (presumably Mike Shanahan, whom many in the organization believe will be introduced in a Redskins Park news conference Tuesday), is Landry part of the solution moving forward?

Clearly, Landry possesses talent, which is why the Redskins selected him sixth overall out of LSU in the 2007 draft. With Taylor and Landry, the Redskins envisioned having one of the league's top safety tandems for a decade, and they're confident they would have had Taylor lived. Last season, Landry told me he often wondered about what they could have accomplished together. This season, Landry did not emerge as the consistent force the Redskins hoped he would become. Not even close.

Landry was aware of criticism from the media and fans, "but you can't worry about that because unless you watch the film, you really don't know what's going on," Landry said recently. "People think they know what happens [on big plays], but you don't know if somebody [else] missed an assignment or whatever.

"You know, I'm just going to keep going out there and trying to make plays however I can. The coaches call it, and no matter what's called, you just have to go try to do your job and make it work. That's just what it comes down to. That's all you can do."

Whenever players say, "no matter what's called," that always seems like a subtle shot at a coach's scheme. While recently expressing his frustration about defensive coordinator Greg Blache's disciplined scheme, defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth said Redskins safeties have to "make a million checks before the ball is snapped. Guys are sitting there thinking instead of reacting. Guys are sitting there thinking instead of playing.

"When you're sitting there thinking about what you're going to do when you're trying to run, you don't go as fast. When it's natural and it comes to you, you do it. You know? It's instinct. You know what I mean? What they want us to do is think and be robots. This is just ridiculous."

In many conversations with Landry over three seasons, he always has been supportive of Blache, secondary coach Jerry Gray and safeties coach Steve Jackson, often saying, "They put us in the right position. It's up to us to make the plays."

But some in the organization have told me Landry might benefit most from a change in direction on defense. The Redskins paid Landry a $2.27 million roster bonus this season. He has a base salary of $1,267,500 next season and a cap number of a little more than $5 million (if there is a salary cap in place for the 2010 season).

Despite Landry's poor performance, I expect him to be on the team next season. The reality is that owner Daniel Snyder has a lot invested in him and the Redskins have bigger roster concerns at quarterback, tackle, cornerback and guard. But a new defensive staff must find a way to help Landry regain the promise he showed in his rookie season or the Redskins soon will have another major hole to fill.

By Jason Reid  |  January 2, 2010; 11:52 AM ET
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Should the Redskins bring LaRon Landry back next season? YES

What lies ahead for Landry after a tough season? AN OFFSEASON OF SELF REFLECTION, FILM STUDY, LEARNING THE FUNDAMENTALS, AND A NEW COACHING STAFF THAT WILL PLAY HIM AT SS

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"One coach whose future is uncertain is Joe Bugel...will the curmudgeonly coach retire or continue his career?"


I hate to go there, but if the position you've been hired to coach has digressed over the course of your tenure, how is your returning even a question?

If you go back to when he returned with St Joe thru this weekend, the redskin offensive line has been miserable.

Folks blame Vinny for not drafting linemen.

But when St Joe was running things, he didn't bring in any young offensive linemen either.

Why?: he and Buges believed the 1980s style of training up undrafted, second tier players into starting linemen was the way of doing things.

But the league has changed as defensive linemen are as athletic as H-backs.

Plus, teams rotate players so no 300 pound defensive tackle gets worn down from a pounding running attack.

And you can't block them with undrafted, old, and round 7 guys year after year.

You must advocate drafting top players for the offensive line just as you do for any other position in the modern NFL.

That change in thinking occured in the early 2000s.

All of this is not Joe Bugel's fault.

But it's a change in talent acquisition philosophy he, Joe Gibbs, and Vinny Cerrato obviously didn't embrace.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"But some in the organization have told me Landry might benefit most from a change in direction on defense."


Well, I don't know anyone in the organization.

But what I saw in the raiders' game was an All Pro strong safety in LaRon Landry.

Sure, he can be beaten if he has to cover in space.

But he's better playing close to the line.

He's better if he has the flat and underneath routes to cover.

The thing is, what becomes of C Horton, R Dougty, K Moore, and C Rogers next season?

We have too many safeties and a cornerback playing out of position.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

My sports car does a lousy job in the dirt, sand and snow! I'm junking it!

Posted by: mack1 | January 2, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

LL no longer a football player, more like a show horse. I've never seen a defender bounce off or whiff opponents like this dude.

Posted by: bhoang888 | January 2, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

If Landry was playing for another team (never mind in this scenario he'd probably be awesome) and this former #6 pick was released and we needed a safety you'd all be like OMG sign Landry we need a safety this guy was a beast in college blah blah blah

He has too much upside and we have too many other needs and have invested too much to not give him another shot under a new regime.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 2, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

My guess is they will bring in a Free Safety as a FA target.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 2, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Further, Carlos Rogers needs to be worked with under a new regime - similar situation, not as much upside but a lot invested. Besides, a bad season is the best training and I think we need to see how he comes out of this. And spray some damn stick-um on his hands.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 2, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I refuse to believe our #9 1st round pick in 2005, and our #6 1st round pick in 2007 both need to be cut because they suck.

I don't think I can handle believing that at this point.

We have to work with them. We must keep them.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 2, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

It would be insane to give up on LL at this point, as would it be most players under 27 on the team. Lets see what the new regime can do with these young players before running them outta town based on this steaming pile of season.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Landry is a knucklehead pure and simple. We don't need knuckleheads. We need smart guys - not knuckleheads. Same with Deangelo Hall. He might be a bigger knucklehead than Landry. We gotta cut Hall and Landry and put in anybody. I mean anybody.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 2, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"LL no longer a football player, more like a show horse. I've never seen a defender bounce off or whiff opponents like this dude."


True.

But he should be playing closer to the line of scrimmage.

A different philosophy might also have him blitzing more to stuff the run and pass.

He obviously isn't fluid enough to cover.

But he was drafted with the idea that he and Sean Taylor would provide stellar play.

But with that one dynamic piece missing, we can't be sure if the other one, Landry, is completely broken.

Pair Landry with Dougty/Rogers and you'll get better safety play.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The whole premise of this piece is stupid and asinine. Of course you keep LL.

Redskins have 5 draft picks and it looks like the UFA pool is going to be greatly reduced. First and foremost, fix the Oline which means using the first two picks there as far as I'm concerned... then get a RB, SAM backer and a FS depending on what is laying around and available in rds 4,5 and 7...and make do with the rest for 2010.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 2, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"but you can't worry about that because unless you watch the film, you really don't know what's going on," Landry said recently. "People think they know what happens [on big plays], but you don't know if somebody [else] missed an assignment or whatever."


I don't have to watch film to know that running out of control and throwing your body at a ball carrier with your head down and missing by 4 yards is a bad play.

If LL would stop doing that, I'd accept a few blown assignments in coverage.

Hopefully we can find a FS in the off season and Landry can move back to his natural position.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 2, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

skinsfaninKaneohe

"Redskins have 5 draft picks and it looks like the UFA pool is going to be greatly reduced."


Again: trade a future pick to get more picks this year.

Uncapped means a lot of older, dyed in the wool dudes will and should be sent packing.

There might be 10 new redskins next year (hopefully).

Let's use a future pick to get more players of value out of the upcoming draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I've grown tired of LL dancing around after stopping a running back for a 9 yard gain. With that being said, if we bring in a true FS and move LL closer to the line, he might regain some of his early form.

Maybe both of wrists were broken this year and we didn't know about it? That might explain his lousy tackling.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 2, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

If Landry can improve on his coverage and quit celebrating his "big hit" after a converted 3rd and long for a first down, then keep him. HE gives up too many big plays. I don't need to watch film to see that he's getting burned!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | January 2, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Maybe using him as an Alvin Walton type 4th linebacker on running downs?

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 2, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

LL has to much talent to throw away, something we are alittle short on. He would be better at SS and also not playing so far off the damn ball. Skins defensive backfield plays so far opff the ball that there are flying up out of control when they support the run. LL problems come from playing out of natural position and coaching/system

Posted by: Tappahannock | January 2, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The consensus around the League is that Landry is ProBowl caliber at strong safety and marginal at best at the other position.

He's just not that versatile. He can't play CB or LB, either, and he doesn't punt. But he's a heck of a run supporter and he generally does a good job taking on bigger, stronger receivers who make it into the secondary.

There are a couple terrific free safeties in the upcoming draft who it's likely the Skins won't have a chance to select, given their abundant other needs. Eric Berry is one, Taylor Mays another. Berry in particular might be as good the departed Sean Taylor.

But if the team doesn't pick an o-tackle, you'll be able to hear the howling all the way to Houston.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 2, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I hear what you are saying re dumping salary. BUT, I think its paramount in importance to break the cycle of mortgaging future picks. I suppose you are making the case that trading future picks will be worth more this year as the Redskins may have a better record when the picks are used.

I'd let Samuels(retiring), Thomas, ARE and Betts hit the street and eat the cap hit in this uncapped year. Everybody else competes for starting jobs unless their position was targeted for upgrading (both OTs primarily and hoefully). Tender JC and CR. I'd bring CP back, and let him go if its not there and make do with a committee of youngsters. Ganther is a hard runner who won't break one absent everything going perfect on the play. Somebody like McCluster gonna be available in the 4th? If so, get him and then you can lose CP, too. I'd take what i could get for CP (4th? 5th?), and ARE(5th? 6th?). Some team may view them as a piece to take them over the top. I'd keep all future picks though.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 2, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

How about our next coach putting in a rule - no celebrating unless it is a stop for a loss or a interception

Posted by: Tappahannock | January 2, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I heard (read) it on here before...Landry hasn't been the same since Marion Barber ran his arse over last year on an open-field, one-on-one situation. I agree.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | January 2, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Again: trade a future pick to get more picks this year.

Why? We are not going to Super Bowl next year. If we can trade an RFA for a pick do that. Draft well this year and next. Maybe we get into the playoffs then/

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 2, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The consensus around the League is that Landry is ProBowl caliber at strong safety and marginal at best at the other position.

But if the team doesn't pick an o-tackle, you'll be able to hear the howling all the way to Houston.

Posted by: Samson151


I think we should trade him then for more players or draft picks. We have young safeties and we need many bodies. We are not one or two players away from being a strong contender.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 2, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I hate to go there, but if the position you've been hired to coach has digressed over the course of your tenure, how is your returning even a question? --MISTAMOE

AS the lawyers say, facts not in evidence. Pundits from a mile away have NO idea how bad the line might have been without Bugel coaching them up. --THECORK


Folks blame Vinny for not drafting linemen.

But when St Joe was running things, he didn't bring in any young offensive linemen either.--MISTAMOE

Gibbs was NEVER a good personnel guy. Bobby B. handled that. Gibbs the personnel guy was as clueless as Vinny--THECORK

Why?: he and Buges believed the 1980s style of training up undrafted, second tier players into starting linemen was the way of doing things.-MISTAMOE

Says who? Buges? Where did he say that? Sources, please. The Hogs were ALWAYS a combination of top draft picks, low picks, UFAs and traded for vets. (Mark May #1, Joe Jacobi, UFA, Mark Shlereth, vet, for instance)---THE CORK

Plus, teams rotate players so no 300 pound defensive tackle gets worn down from a pounding running attack.

And you can't block them with undrafted, old, and round 7 guys year after year--MISTAMOE

True that, but it's been Snyder and Vinny setting the table and ruining the OLINE. No intelligent observer can blame Bugel for them.--THECORK

You must advocate drafting top players for the offensive line just as you do for any other position in the modern NFL.--MISTAMOE

And you know he hasn't been doing that, how? in truth, Bugel shouldn't HAVE TO do that. A smart GM--something the team has lacked since Snyder bought it--knows that instinctively. Bobby B. did. Let's hope Bruce A. does.--THECORK

Posted by: TheCork | January 2, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Landry sees the opponent's backs and receivers the way I see my ex. We know there will be a collision, but we do our best to minimize it.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | January 2, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Again: trade a future pick to get more picks this year.

Why? We are not going to Super Bowl next year. If we can trade an RFA for a pick do that. Draft well this year and next. Maybe we get into the playoffs then/

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 2, 2010 1:53 PM

Correct.

I would trade our 2010 5th overall pick and collect a mid to late 1st, 2nd and 4th. Tender JC and CR and see if anyone calls.

Rebuilding takes time and it's virtually impossible to rebuild by trading 1st's for 2nd's. Stay the course..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Can we stop putting an emphasis on LL's celebration routine. It really has nothing to do with his play, or you all liking him or not. If LL was an all pro FS and still celebrated in such a manner it wouldn't be such a big deal to you guys. The real issue is getting him to play with better technique, and improve his understanding of the game. Hopefully, the new DC will provide a way for improved play on that side of the ball.

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

It is ridiculous for anyone to say get rid of Landry. Landry just needs to play at his natural position of SS. With the right coaching and the restressing of tackling fundamentals and the emphasis of getting benched if he doesn't stop whiffing on tackles, etc., Laron Landry will be alright.

Posted by: 72Redskins | January 2, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

TWISI:
No one can get him to play better, but him. He's scared. Until he overcomes his fear, he'll be a middle-of-the-pack safety.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | January 2, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Cotton Bowl Prospects

Oklahoma State
******Russell Okung OT 6'8" 299 1 pos rating
Dez Bryant WR 6'2" 217 1 pos rating (suspended)
Perrish Cox CB 6'0" 192 3 pos rating (suspended)
Andrew Lewis OG 6'4" 294 13 pos rating
Zac Robinson QB 6'2" 202 16 pos rating
Patrick Lavine OLB 6'3" 221 27 pos rating
Keith Toston RB 6'0" 206 33 pos rating
Swanson Miller DT 6'3" 296 48 pos rating

Ole Miss
Greg Hardy DE 6'4" 261 6 pos rating
Jevan Snead QB 6'3" 215 5 pos rating
******Dexter McCluster RB 5'7½" 163 11 pos rating...love this kid
******John Jerry OG 6'5" 352 7 pos rating
Kendrick Lewis S 5'11⅛" 197 12 pos rating
Shay Hodge WR 6'0" 204 25 pos rating
Joshua Shene PK 5'8" 170 3 pos raing
Daverin Geralds OC 6'0" 304 22 pos rating

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

How about our next coach putting in a rule - no celebrating unless it is a stop for a loss or a interception

Posted by: Tappahannock | January 2, 2010 1:48 PM


How about this: No celebrating until we've won the game? And, even then, not with the stupid Gator Ade bucket.

Posted by: League-Source | January 2, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I say keep LL. To get rid of people do to a bad season is just dumb. Let Samuels retire, drop R. Thomas and ARE, and moved Heyer to a backup role. Do not trade Cooley, but use him in a 2 TE set with Davis. Draft a tackle with the 1st rnd pick, but don't reach due to need. Okung is the only one worth the 5 pick to me.The safety out of Tenn in the 1st and then a 2nd rnd tackle makes sense. Try to get a vet in FA at tackle, and move Levi to Rt tackle if you get Okung.

Posted by: dolemite1 | January 2, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"How about this: No celebrating until we've won the game? And, even then, not with the stupid Gator Ade bucket.

Posted by: League-Source"

Do android football players dream of electric Lombardi Trophies?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

smokeybear2 I don't know if I buy what you're saying completely. What's the point of a position coach? Yes, LL has to put in work in film study,etc., but schemes, the techniques taught, etc plays a role as well. What' I 'm saying is that maybe what they asked LL to do under Blache, is to LL strengths. He certainly wasn't drafted to be a FS, but that is what they asked of him.

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

You must advocate drafting top players for the offensive line just as you do for any other position in the modern NFL.--MISTAMOE

And you know he hasn't been doing that, how? in truth, Bugel shouldn't HAVE TO do that. A smart GM--something the team has lacked since Snyder bought it--knows that instinctively. Bobby B. did. Let's hope Bruce A. does.--THECORK


Posted by: TheCork | January 2, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse
I understand what you are saying, Corky. There is no proof that blame lies with Buges. But I do feel that Moe has some legitimate points here, and SOME blame must go to Buges. It does seem that the philosophy is to not use high draft picks on OL. That has to change, should have changed last year but didn't. Our #1 pick must be used to replace Samuels, who has been great for what? 10 or 11 years. Let's get a #1 OT!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 2, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"How about this: No celebrating until we've won the game? And, even then, not with the stupid Gator Ade bucket.

Posted by: League-Source"

Speaking of Gatorade buckets...

How about the Gators dumping a bucket of ice cold Gatorade on Urban Meyer.

He's taking a leave of absence due to a heart condition, what a bunch geniuses.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

You must advocate drafting top players for the offensive line just as you do for any other position in the modern NFL.--MISTAMOE

And you know he hasn't been doing that, how? in truth, Bugel shouldn't HAVE TO do that. A smart GM--something the team has lacked since Snyder bought it--knows that instinctively. Bobby B. did. Let's hope Bruce A. does.--THECORK


Posted by: TheCork | January 2, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse
I understand what you are saying, Corky. There is no proof that blame lies with Buges. But I do feel that Moe has some legitimate points here, and SOME blame must go to Buges. It does seem that the philosophy is to not use high draft picks on OL. That has to change, should have changed last year but didn't. Our #1 pick must be used to replace Samuels, who has been great for what? 10 or 11 years. Let's get a #1 OT!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 2, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Do android football players dream of electric Lombardi Trophies?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2010 2:21 PM

Good one, CL! Two days ago this would have been your best post of 2009. Now you've set the bar so high for 2010 that you may as well just stop posting and rest on your laurels.

Posted by: League-Source | January 2, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

TRADE

LL30 is likely one of the few Skins that will fetch something on the trade market and we can recoup some picks.

He's not a FS.

The dropoff between LL30 and Horton is minimal if anything. Frnakly, I think they have equal talent as NFL players, except that Landry, as a #6 pick, comes with more "hype".

As a SS Horton can make all the plays that Landry does, and we likely won't have to give Horton a king's ransom when it comes time for him to get paid.

Posted by: p1funk | January 2, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Repost, from the "Gibbs didn't keep up with the evolution of the game..." idea.

Hmm. That's not my reading of St. Joe; the team he inherited was a disaster of Spurrierian proportions, awful defense, no skill at RB, QB, or WR. But With Samuels, Jansen, Thomas, Raymer, and some potential in Dockery, the foundations of an elite o-line were in place.
The o-line raw materials were there, but otherwise the cupboards were bare. They went on a spending spree before 2004 to fix the defense, got Portis for a second rounder (they had to throw in the last year of Champ's contract as a sweetener, but if you think of it as Portis for a second, it's not all crazy -- god knows people Up Here are trying to get a second for him today), Brunell, struggled offensively but were in almost every game. 2005 further improvements, the playoff run, and then the big decision. I think St. Joe looked at the 2006 season, thought that he had too much on his plate (head coach, run the offense, act as GM. Looking back, I wish he'd had chosen to keep running the offense, he had a plan and the personnel he needed -- my feeling is that Cooley would be in the discussion for best H-back ever, and maybe they get some decent performance out of Brunell for one more year. But I can understand that Gibbs was in a position where the challenges of managing a team and FO was probably newer and more interesting than running an offense. And so, Al Saunders came, and with him the H-back went away, BLloyd's fingertips arrived, and JC started down his path of confusion.

Posted by: daggar | January 2, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Take some time to fill out the following questionarre regarding LL30 and Horton:


Should the Skins continue to have LL30 play at FS?


What is the drop off in talent/ability, generally speaking, between Horton and LL30 at the SS position?


How do Horton and Landry compare regarding the following:

*play-making abilities around the line of scrimmage?

*coverage skills?

*coachability?

*sound fundamentals (tackling, executing schemes)?

*developmental potential as an NFL player?


Which player is more likely to demand a bigger contract from the Skins when it is time to "get paid"?

Posted by: p1funk | January 2, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

p1funk the way you describe LL, I don't see what trade value you can get for him. He's not a game changing safety, and as you describe, his play on the field is no better than a couple of undrafted FA. Why would a team trade for LL and carry such a high salary? My hunch is that the market for LL is much more limited than what most here think. LL has more value to the Skins because of his draft status. Any team the skins may try to broker a deal for LL will use this in the negotiations and low ball the Skins.

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

some possible trade down scenarios are:

#1 Wash & NE
Send 1st and 7th for 1st, 2nd & 2nd

We would end up with 27th, 38th, 43rd & 44th picks

That would be a great dream, can't see NE going for it though.
=======================================
#2 Wash & SF
Send 1st for 1st, 2nd & 6th

We would end up with 11th, 38th, 47th picks.

This seems more reasonable. SF still ends up with two 1st round picks
========================================
#3 Wash & Sea
We swap 5th for 7th and get Seattle's 4th, 5th and 6th round picks

Get us a lot of lower picks. Helps fill out roster if we make wholesale changes.
=========================================

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 2, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

p1funk the way you describe LL, I don't see what trade value you can get for him. He's not a game changing safety, and as you describe, his play on the field is no better than a couple of undrafted FA. Why would a team trade for LL and carry such a high salary? My hunch is that the market for LL is much more limited than what most here think. LL has more value to the Skins because of his draft status. Any team the skins may try to broker a deal for LL will use this in the negotiations and low ball the Skins.

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse


Because I think alot of teams will look at the raw ability and say "We can coach him up."

Much like what we see in the NBA with young 7-footers that don't pan out on one team.

There's always another team around the corner that says "We'll work with him".

Landry did have 90 tackles this season, and he was a Pro Bowl alternate last year, so the talent is there and people know that.

The issue isn;t so much that Landry is a bum (though his game has holes in it). The issue for the Skins is that we just so happened to find a real gem in Chris Horton, which makes a talented development project like Landry a little more expendable.

Posted by: p1funk | January 2, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

theCork

Thanks for the clumsy surgical attempt to disprove my argument that J Buges has failed in his second go round as redskins offensive line coach.

Thing is, you fail as the line is a mess, and Buges has coached it for well over 6 years now.

If he was your stock broker, lawyer, real estate agent, carpenter, hooker, you'd say, "Hey, what you did before, well it ain't so hot no more."

Real fans hold him, Joe Bugel, just as accountable as they hold Dan Snyder, Jim Zorn, Vinny Cerrato, Greg Blache, and Joe Gibbs for the mess this team is in.

There are no sacred cows when a team is 4-12 and it's worst unit is coached by a guy we all know and love.

And I mean no disrespect to Buges.

It's just that the league's philosophy has changed to where offensive linemen are athletic, not drive blocking maulers.

Buges' linemen don't screen block or trade off stunting blitzers all that well.

You can blame Vinny and Joe Gibbs all you want--and thanks for certifying the other points I make in that post--but anyone with standards walks out when he doesn't get solid material to work with.

If Buges was left with dregs to coach as you say, perhaps it's because he sat in too many meetings suggesting he can put lipstick on pigs and turn them into Hawgs.

J Buges has had his day.

He is a fine man.

But it's time to let go of him and the 1980s.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

can someone please tell me just when this season will end ?

Posted by: joevick | January 2, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

If you have been watching the games the past two years, you will notice that the team runs a lot of zone blocking running plays.

The power or drive blocking schemes are only used on a few plays.

I pretty sure Buges knows how to teach both techniques.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 2, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

can someone please tell me just when this season will end ?

Posted by: joevick | January 2, 2010 3:38 PM

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For the Redskins, around 7pm EST tomorrow

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 2, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

From your Cotton Bowl list:

Oklahoma State

Russell Okung OT 6'8" 299 1 pos rating

Dez Bryant WR 6'2" 217 1 pos rating (suspended)

Perrish Cox CB 6'0" 192 3 pos rating (suspended)

Patrick Lavine OLB 6'3" 221 27 pos rating

Ole Miss:

Dexter McCluster RB 5'7½" 163 11 pos rating

John Jerry OG 6'5" 352 7 pos rating

Daverin Geralds OC 6'0" 304 22 pos rating

I'd re-sign L Jones, draft Okung, and start him at right tackle.

I also like the Pouncey kid from UF that plays center. I don't think he's leaving school, though.

McCluster is a no brainer signing for the redskins--but it won't happen.

The skins need a speed back, but without the picks, it's a luxury situation for the team.

And Dez Bryant: it would take a serious pair of balls for the skins to snag this guy, but he is a stud in every regard.

Bryant is going to tear up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

noonefromtampa

"The power or drive blocking schemes are only used on a few plays."

Yes, I saw the successive zone blocking plays at the end of the saints game.

Thing is, it's the backs lacking 'zip' that fail the stretch play.

The line's drive blocking is fine. If there was a passing game, the skins would kill teams.

But it can not pass block: we all know that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

p1funk I think if you can get a fair deal for LL, the Skins have to consider it. No one on this team is exempt from being trade bait IMO. However, as far as Horton goes, I don't think we should crown him yet as the next solid starter at the SS position that will be the starter for the next 4-5 years. Let's remember that Horton was benched earlier this year, on a team that reluctantly benches its starters. Horton missed his fair share of tackles this year as well, and my guess his benching had to do more with him being out of position than anything else. It could be the sophomore slump, but when O'Hallaran called LL and Horton out as players who routinely so up late just before practice it wasn't surprising to me that Horton ended up on the bench, and LL regressed in his play. Hopefully, a new direction will cause Horton to handle his business more in the manner as he did his rookie year, and a revitalized LL.

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

My dream draft is Okung & Iupati with our first two picks

The o-line could then be

Okung-Dockery-Rabach-Iupati-Jones

with E.Williams, B.Williams, Rinehart, Heyer as backups

That would be a major upgrade over what we started this year with

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 2, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Landry is just another product of Vinny and Danny's star system. All show and no go.

LL should drive his Lamborghini out of Redskin Park and keep on going. His crap should be boxed up and Fedexed (cheaper) to his next destination.

The guy can't tackle, can't cover and doesn't cause any turnovers. Even 34 yr old Darren Sharper is better than his sorry ass.

Posted by: knight1977 | January 2, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Redskins just might win tomarrow. Chargers have nothing to play for and will sit Rivers for most of the game. What does that do to our draft situation?

Posted by: diamond_jim | January 2, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

What lies ahead for Landry after a tough season? AN OFFSEASON OF SELF REFLECTION, FILM STUDY, LEARNING THE FUNDAMENTALS, AND A NEW COACHING STAFF THAT WILL PLAY HIM AT SS

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 12:27 PM

exactly. plus learning not to nod your head like a bobble-head after every half decent play.

he can be good if used properly and not let to forget fundamentals. obviously not a very bright student of the game. oh well, they cannot all be London Fletcher.

Posted by: greatteamdan | January 2, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

My dream draft is Okung & Iupati with our first two picks

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 2, 2010 4:07 PM

I'd buy my 5 yr old both jerseys.

Although I just saw Ok St. run behind Okung on 4th and goal from the 1 and get stufffed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Landry says that unless we watch game film we dumb fans don't understand that it could be someone else blowing a coverage, missing a tackle........ you get his drift:
It's not him, it's SOMEONE ELSE!

A comment above said it so perfectly that Laron is a "showhorse'who simply looks the part and makes an occaisonal big hit that appears over and over on Sports Center or the NFL Network. Oh, I must have not seen the Giant's Jacobs steamroll Landry last year....it was just my imagination I suppose.

The fact is that from day one he was a "POSER" who did nothing but pick his spots for big hits and then proceed to have the media proclaim that he was an All Pro ready to happen without really even watching that game tape Laron says will excuse him for biting on double move after double move after not wrapping up a back or reciever after launching his body, eyes closed at an offensive player missing him entirely. Please, spare me. That Cat is "all world" only in his own mind. Can anyone say Roy Williams? (you know, that other guy who went to pro bowels for big hits that really could'nt cover me, as Flip just said about our illustrious Wiz big 3)

Landry will fade into obscurity just like Williams has. Both are/were no heart pretenders, you know, the one's we are ALL sick of watching, TIRED of hearing about and pissed off that they get headlines while TRUE BALLERS like Ladell Betts get forgotten in this current sickness we call Professional Sports.

Oh, by the way, good riddance Gilbert! take the other two with you and the rest of the overrated and overpaid Wiz and Skins.

Hello Shanahan and a big thanks of appreciation for Flip..... finally a DC Coach with balls enough to say what we have all said or been thinking for many, many years!

Happy New Year!

Posted by: jshavatt | January 2, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"Although I just saw Ok St. run behind Okung on 4th and goal from the 1 and get stufffed."

I think that's why the best thing to do is wait until after you see the Senior Bowl to pass serious judgements about the offensive linemen.

If you have the NFL Network, you can see the linemen practice drills against the defenders.

That's when you see if they can really play.

Last year, Caldwell, Oher, Loadholt, Ayers, Wood, Maualga, L English, and Macho Harris all impressed at those practices.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2010 5:12 PM

Just an observation. I wouldn't hesitate to draft him based on 1 play.

The combine is must see TV.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

It's the OL stupid! It's not the coaching staff.

Give Zorn an OL and see what happens - the offense will score lots of points - the defense won't tire out in the second half, and the Redskins will be super bowl contenders.

Go Skins!

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 2, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

It's the OL stupid! It's not the coaching staff.

Give Zorn an OL and see what happens - the offense will score lots of points - the defense won't tire out in the second half, and the Redskins will be super bowl contenders.

Go Skins!

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 2, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I said in a previous post that the Redskins lack smart players. Landry is NOT a smart, intelligent player. He hurls himself around like an unguided missile hoping to hit his target, often missing. Like other knucklehead Redskins, he celebrates a tackle on one play then gives up a big play the next. The Skins probably can't afford to send his ass packing because of bigger needs but the new coach needs to get this guy focused, disciplined, and playing with better fundamentals. If I'm the new coaching staff, I'd tell my team to quit the silly, juvenile prancing around until after they win a game. It looks so dumb to be high-fiving and juking around when you're down 3 touchdowns. Lets get this miserable season over with already.

Posted by: jfoster13 | January 2, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I think JR's piece is really mindless pot-stirring. Of course LL will be back. He's young, coachable, inexpensive ($1.27M), fast, etc. He's not perfect nor was he worth the #6 pick (esp with AP going #7), but he's here.

Posted by: chris_zz | January 2, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

It's the OL stupid! It's not the coaching staff.

Give Zorn an OL and see what happens - the offense will score lots of points - the defense won't tire out in the second half, and the Redskins will be super bowl contenders.

Go Skins!

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the offense does not score points when zorn calls plays...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 2, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Sherm Lewis called the plays...skins scored points and looked decent. Vinny fired..Zorn took over play calling....12pts...then zero points...skins looked awful.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | January 2, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

My crystal ball shows me Jason Campbell will be playing in Oakland next year.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 2, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

On a college football note, the whole bowl game issue annoys.

The Division 1 season ending is anti-climatic.

These are the remaining games:

Alamo San Antonio Michigan State vs. Texas Tech Jan. 2

Fiesta U. of Phoenix Stadium Boise State vs. TCU Jan. 4

Orange Miami Iowa vs. Georgia Tech Jan. 5 8 p.m. Fox

GMAC Mobile Central Michigan vs. Troy Jan. 6 7 p.m.

BCS title Pasadena Texas vs. Alabama Jan. 7 8 p.m. ABC


Not a 'must see' game there.

The alleged National Championship game will be a 'Bama beatdown.

These final games would serve the fans better as playoff games.

The winner of UF v. Ohio State game playing the winner of 'Bama v. Texas might make a highly watched National Championship game.

Unless, of course, you really want to see Troy play Central Michigan.

Whoever they are.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Sherm Lewis called the plays...skins scored points and looked decent. Vinny fired..Zorn took over play calling....12pts...then zero points...skins looked awful.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | January 2, 2010 6:16 PM

I have no way of being sure (other than the results) but I'm convinced that Zorn was calling more than just the plays in the redzone and inside of 2 mins. I'd guess more than 50%.

Either way the whole staff is GONZO in 2 days.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

My crystal ball shows me Jason Campbell will be playing in Oakland next year.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 2, 2010 6:21 PM

Does your ball say what pick(s) the Raiders gave up for Campbell.

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Nobody's untradeable, but nobody on the Redskins has shown so brightly that other teams are queued up with 1st rounders to compete for their rights.
The trouble with a top ten overall pick is that you should expect the player to deliver a pro-bowl type performance all the time, and in those prime 2-4 years after "figuring it out" should merit HOF-discussion.
That doesn't describe LL at this point.
I'm part of the minority (apparently) that expects him to stay at FS, unless the defense gets a complete change. Somebody Up Here somewhere suggested that Orapko was the type of transitional player that can allow you to swing to a 3-4. If that happens, maybe LL changes his role.
But as it stands, we can play a cover-1 with him at FS, and the kind of speed that that requires doesn't exist elsewhere on the team, and only rarely in the league.
It shows you the path that ST was on, once he 'got it'.

Posted by: daggar | January 2, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

"Sherm Lewis called the plays...skins scored points and looked decent. Vinny fired..Zorn took over play calling....12pts...then zero points...skins looked awful."

I missed this: Zorn took over playcalling once Ol' Bug Eyes got the axe?

And that explains the difference in scoring and play?

Talk about Clueless Moe!

Sh!t: fire Zorn, have a manniquin placed on the sideline, and let Sherm call plays again.

And if there's a need to toss the challenge flag, we'll let Jerry Gray come forward and decide if he wants to tell the truth about what the team wants to do.

And if there's a question from the media, Greg Blache will be instructed not to answer it, and then to send the reporter home from trying to do his job.

I'm glad we're here to clear up any confusion fans might have as to why their favorite 4-12 team is so confusing.

And clueless.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"My crystal ball shows me Jason Campbell will be playing in Oakland next year."


I think the Minnesota Vikings have the best situation for Mr. Campbell.

They have Tavaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels waiting behind B Favre--and he might not return.

Too, the vikes have a young team on the brink of excellence, and might gamble with future picks to acquire Campbell to pla behind their fine o-line.

If I'm B Allen, I'd initiate the move.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Landry will be back and he will play better. I don't buy that his problems are all related to the scheme that Blache runs. He played better the year prior in the same scheme. This has more to do with what is going on in Landry's head. Remember that Landry started out the season with not attending OTA's and without calling his coach. This speaks volumes about a player that isn't happy with his situation. At the end of the season Bruce Allen - and maybe mike Shanahan - need to sit down with Landry and figure out where to pin him on the map. Then, they should move on from there, but I am betting he stays, and he plays better next year...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 2, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Are there drinking games in place for the final Jim Zorn show? Any vague reference to being employed for longer than 72hrs - drink!

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 2, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Should the Redskins bring LaRon Landry back next season?

Only if they want another losing season like this one. If you bring back the same bunch of losers you can only expect more of the same.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 2, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Everybody’s favorite Florio....

“Then there's the reality that Tebow seems to be the kind of guy who can be molded into a better quarterback, a guy who'll respond to coaching aimed at making him the best possible player he can be.

So while it's easy to pick apart things that he will concern folks at the next level, the reality is that Tebow is a proven winner, an obvious leader of men, and he capped one of the greatest careers in college football history by putting up even bigger numbers than Vince Young four years ago.

In other words, if the Jaguars want Tebow, the Jaguars are gonna have to trade up to get him.”


We'll be your huckleberry. 5th pick to the jags for their 1st(12-15), 2nd, 4th.

1. Spiller
2. OT Baluga/Black/Capers
2. OG Iupati /Render/Johnson
4. Best player avail
4. BPA
5. BPA
7. BPA

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 let's hope the Jags are that stupid.

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Landry isn't worth warm spit in the position he's playing and all he wants to do is show off his prowess when he does finally manage to knock somebody to the ground. You certainly don't see him flexing his muscles when he whiffs on a tackle do you? Sorry but hopefully the next head coach will either show LL the proper way to play his position or the door whichever comes first. My choice would be the door.

Posted by: bullwinkle1 | January 2, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 let's hope the Jags are that stupid.

Posted by: TWISI | January 2, 2010 7:35 PM

Just throwing it out there. I don't see it, I see him more in the 3rd round range, but teams have made worse choices.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Chris Morris , the center for the raiders in a trade for JC and maybe a 3-4th round pick too. We need to pick up a QB. I think we could draft a young QB and pick up a veteran or go with TC. Charlie batch is good, Byron Letwich etc until the young guy is ready. This is a lunti-year rebuild.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 2, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

lunti= multi, after a few cocktails! sorry 'bout that.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 2, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

The problem all along has been that Landry is out of position at free safety. Put him up near the line at strong safety and then get someone decent to replace him out in center field, as they say.

LaRon is being blocked at SS by Reed Doughty and Chris Horton, and neither one of those guys starts on a championship team. Let them play back-up and move LaRon to his natural position.

Posted by: drischord | January 2, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

the offense does not score points when zorn calls plays...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 2, 2010 6:00 PM


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Sherm Lewis called the plays...skins scored points and looked decent. Vinny fired..Zorn took over play calling....12pts...then zero points...skins looked awful.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | January 2, 2010 6:16 PM


I dunno if you two saw the 'Casserly Video' from our MNF debacle against the Iggles, but under Zorn's play-calling Campbell kept missing open WR's. Now if Campbell completes those passes...?

I think our late offensive success was due to Campbell finally running a system vs learning it.

That's why i want to keep Zorn and keep Campbell; in the same system i think our offense will begin to click.

Posted by: Vicc | January 2, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

That's why i want to keep Zorn and keep Campbell; in the same system i think our offense will begin to click.

Posted by: Vicc | January 2, 2010 9:26 PM
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I don't think Campbell has been playing in Zorn's system. He's been playing in a system that consists of a string of compromises all in the effort to make Campbell more effective with the players he has around him. This includes an offensive line giving him little time to throw. I think Zorn's original blueprint for the offense has re-emerged since Vinny has gone and it either doesn't work for Campbell or doesn't work period - you make the call.

No ill wishes to Zorn but I long to see him go. I think he's been the wrong answer since the start and the team is definitely moving in the wrong direction.

As for Campbell, I think the team should tender him an offer and jump on any trade offers that potentially come up. If no offers come up, then they at least have an interim quarterback on the roster.

Someone also spoke like Collins will have a future with the team. Gang, if Shanahan comes in, Todd Collins is the absolute wrong quarterback for his system. Hopefully, the team will ease him out to pasture in an early retirement with no hubbub.

Colt Brennan, on the other hand, will get a long look by Shanahan and crew. There are some similarities between he and Jake Plummer - another QB under Shanahan. Incidentally, Plummer still has not officially retired. Although Tampa still holds his rights, if Shanahan could talk Plummer back into playing, then Tampa would relinquish those rights for some very low picks.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 2, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I think the Minnesota Vikings have the best situation for Mr. Campbell.

They have Tavaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels waiting behind B Favre--and he might not return.

Too, the vikes have a young team on the brink of excellence, and might gamble with future picks to acquire Campbell to pla behind their fine o-line.

If I'm B Allen, I'd initiate the move.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse
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Certainly would open up an opportunity for another over-the-hill veteran to come to Washington to finish out his career making a gazillion bucks.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 2, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

If he can be traded for multiple picks including a second, I say "no" to next year, trade him. If no second at a minimum bring him back, and have him play his original position, SS. The problem is we have CHRIS HORTON, REED DOUGHTY, and LENDY HOLMES at SS plus BYRON WESTBROOK could play it in a pinch. Too many SS's. He cannot play FS. In any event, we must have a high draftee like ERIC BERRY or a RFA like NICK COLLINS, but we can't give up our second for his rights. Rock - hard place.

BTW, WIZ blow a win down at the GLOCK CENTER.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 2, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

"......Plummer.......for some very low picks."

NO,NO,NO to trading picks of ANY KIND. We want to be net gainers as players exodus D.C. niot the other 'way 'round.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 2, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Plummer's smokin dope and chuggin beers in the mountains, he is not gonna be playing for anybody.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 2, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead,

That's coo.

And I'm not convinced Zorn can be a good head coach yet, but he's only been doing it for 2 years.

What killz me da most is it's da same mofos criticizing Snyder for da coaching carousel calling for Zorns head!

Posted by: Vicc | January 2, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

The trouble with a top ten overall pick is that you should expect the player to deliver a pro-bowl type performance all the time, and in those prime 2-4 years after "figuring it out" should merit HOF-discussion.

Posted by: daggar | January 2, 2010 7:03 PM

Right, and I expect Santa Claus to bring me a new BWM every year. What percentage of top ten picks meet these expectations? I'd be surprised if it's even a third of them.

Posted by: League-Source | January 2, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

That's why i want to keep Zorn and keep Campbell; in the same system i think our offense will begin to click.

Posted by: Vicc | January 2, 2010 9:26 PM

NO! Comments like this should lead to a 2 day suspension or at the very least weekly drug testing.

Campbell...YES
Zorn.......NO, he is in the discussion as one of the worst HCs of all-time.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Right, and I expect Santa Claus to bring me a new BWM every year. What percentage of top ten picks meet these expectations? I'd be surprised if it's even a third of them.

Posted by: League-Source | January 2, 2010 10:13 PM

BWM: Big White Male?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Not a 'must see' game there.

The alleged National Championship game will be a 'Bama beatdown.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 2, 2010 6:50 PM

Well you're obviously not an alumnus of any of these 14 or so schools.

Moe, there is not a "must see" game in college football. Ever. Period.

Posted by: League-Source | January 2, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Well you're obviously not an alumnus of any of these 14 or so schools.

Moe, there is not a "must see" game in college football. Ever. Period.

Posted by: League-Source | January 2, 2010 10:19 PM

Or a degenerate gambler...

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

My New Years wish list:
New GM says that we will see who wants to be a REDSKIN by who shows up for all pre-season conditioning and meetings. All pre-season training cammps will be for "ALL" players, no exceptions. QB's and RCVR's are expected to work out on their own as much as possible. There will be no personnel excused to work out in south Florida or Arizona or anywhere else. Now if you will excuse me I have some telephone calls to make.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 2, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

ONLY PLAY LANDRY AT SS - NEVER AT FS AGAIN!
HE IS A GOOD SS.

Posted by: PinotNoir | January 2, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Plummer's smokin dope and chuggin beers in the mountains, he is not gonna be playing for anybody.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 2, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Is he going Unaplummer style, or did he rent a cabin with Todd Marinovich?

You could get him for two low picks though - tooth and guitar.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 2, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Plummer's smokin dope and chuggin beers in the mountains, he is not gonna be playing for anybody.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 2, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Sucks to be him...

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Why do the Texas Tech lineman look so square? Esp. the o-linemen

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 2, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

It's absurd that he is playing free safety. He has a great knack for getting to the QB. The team needs him at SS, playing close to the line of scrimmage. The need to make a decision at QB, RB, and address the O-line. On D, they must get a FS so they can move Landry back where he belongs.

Posted by: pauljr11211 | January 2, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

did y'all see that both the norfolk and richmond fox affilates are opting not to air the skins game. i can't say i blame them, but that is another dire warning sign in how badly snyder has damaged the skins brand.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

cL, those FOX affiliates... did they swap in a better game, or did they dump fubbal altogether?

If they swapped in a better game, I say more power to 'em... would that every station had the freedom to do that, for the benefit of its viewers. Especially in week 17 when there are some obvious dogs on the calendar (WAS @ SD).

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 2, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

noone, I'm not watching the game, but I'm guessing the math is (short + fat) x (preposterously unflattering uniforms) = square football players.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 2, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

re: Laron Landry.

I watched this kid dominate college football as a SS. He was a sideline to sideline guy playing in the box and wreaking havoc on the QB and anyone within 10 yards of the line. This is why he was drafted with the 6th pick, ahead of guys like AP.

I don't condone his behavior but he's not use to failure. He is playing in a position that doesn’t play to his strengths. He was the best blitzing SS in college and in his first year the skins bar none. He can and will be a pro bowler at strong safety. This is more of an indictment of Blache’s scheme and coaching mentality than Landry. Say what you will about his performance on a poorly coached team, but I will only say that his talents have been wasted since the tragedy of 21.

RIP 21
F Blache

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

nate, swapping out to other game. like i said, i understand it but 5/10/15/20/25/35 years ago that would have been unthinkable. really shows how abused the franchised has been under snyder. The skins were the souths team and still have a wide reaching fanvase down the southeast corridor. Richmond and norfolk are basically home field.

so sad.....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 2, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

All Landry needs, is to be properly taught to play the pro game.

He,(Landry) needs to learn amongst other things is not to try turning every play into a highlight reel hit.

Just make a smart sound tackle!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dashriprock | January 3, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya, cL, and like you I lament (at least a little bit) the demise of the Redskins as the ruling franchise of the American South. But even 5 years ago there weren't as many entertainment options available to people as there are now. Those teevee stations down there are businesses.

I'm sure there are some diehard masochists in those markets who want to see WAS @ SD, but those masochists are SOL tomorrow. And that's not really a problem for me.

Given how much we lament the hammerlock a few media companies and the NFL itself has on viewing rights to these games, on some level I applaud those stations for making a call that actually seems to have their viewing audiences' best interests in mind.

Sure, those stations are looking out for their best business interests above all else, but this seems like one of those rare, happy moments when the bottom line is served by doing "the right thing," which in this case means showing a football game that's worth watching.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 3, 2010 1:23 AM | Report abuse

LL Scared?? LMAO. How can a guy that writes suicide mission on his chest before every game be scared. if he was scared why would he be the only safety in the league willing to go high on brandon jacobs?? Get taylor mays and all our safety issues will be resolved. laron can play strong while taylor mays roams around

Posted by: js_812288 | January 3, 2010 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Plummer's smokin dope and chuggin beers in the mountains, he is not gonna be playing for anybody.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 2, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Sucks to be him...

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 2, 2010 11:12 PM
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On line it says he is heavily involved in handball, of all things. Doesn't sound like he's wasting away. Besides, smokin' dope and chuggin' beers might actually help Jason Campbell be a better QB.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 3, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

who in the hett would want batch or leftwich they both suck compared to jc.

Posted by: rls1041 | January 3, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps his less than stellar performance will inspire "Dirty30" to dedicate himself to the off season program. As we all know his previous work ethic (this seasons cameo appearance on the last day of OTA's) is pathetic. It's probably his last opportunity to live up to his advertised potential (KB: Man's Biggest Burden)!

Posted by: Spanglerg | January 3, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Bring in LL.s brother and let them play together. we need to draft Tim Tebow and get us a couple of good young o lineman

Posted by: bert3 | January 3, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

the survey is absolutely stupid. landry is still under his rookie contract so of course he'll return. under the new coaching staff, we can expect him to be moved to strong safety and probaby move chris horton to free safety. with a new coach coming in, we'll more than likely see an entirely new staff hired as well. i respect bugel but i'll never understand why he didn't have a more personal discussion w/ snyder/cerrato to bring in younger o linemen to conform w/ today's nfl. bugel and gibbs have always shown a loyalty to the more veteran players even when they were wearing down. gray definitely needs to go. he hasn't coached up the defensive back any this season. i hope the new db coach will expect more from our corners and safeties next season. blache really needs to pack his bags and retire. his bend but don't break zone scheme (the same one g williams uses) doesn't allow the d line to get the pressure needed to frustrate qb's. it doesn't matter that we're ranked in the top 10 every season if our defense doesn't make game changing plays like stopping drives and creating quick 3 and outs or even forcing turnovers. i want a defensive coach that'll demand excellence from his players and to play 75 mins of football (even when 60 mins is played, i'd like for the players to have that aggressive edge). i think snyder will be less involved now that allen is in control of player personnel. marty confirmed that cerrato cared more to stay in snyder's ear to influence football decisions than actually building a solid team. anyhow, after today, our headaches and heartaches will go away w/ the zorn regime.

Posted by: charronegro1971 | January 3, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of players making plays they should make (like, you know, tackling someone) and celebrating. I don't care if it's a "new breed" of player -- it sucks, and it's awful to watch. Landry should learn to tackle first, instead of throwing his body at someone like he was in the WWF - totally undisciplined. He may have worlds of talent, but he should take a hint from the play of Doughty and Horton, who aren't perfect but who don't preen after a routine play, and who seem to play their asses off constantly.

Posted by: sparky0488 | January 3, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

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