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Who Will Be the 53rd Player?

Now that I've weighed in on the roster in advance of Saturday's deadline, I think it's important to note there's a chance the Redskins' 53rd player might currently be with another team.

In initially analyzing the roster, I couldn't come up with a 53rd player I felt strongly about. After talking to people in the organization, I floated the possibility of rookie linebacker Darrel Young filling that slot.

I also pointed out that I was not as confident in that pick as I was in wide receiver Marko Mitchell being a lock to make the team. The Redskins could wait to see who is cut elsewhere and try to sign someone from that pool.

Another possibility is running back Anthony Alridge, who missed considerable time after injuring his toe early in camp. I thought he had fallen too far behind after sitting out the first two preseason games, and I'm not sure the team will carry four running backs.

But Coach Jim Zorn and offensive coordinator Sherman Smith are interested in having a change-of-pace back, and Vinny Cerrato is among Alridge's fans, I've been told. Alridge helped himself by gaining 49 yards on nine carries against the New England Patriots. With another strong performance at Jacksonville, Alridge could add to his case to make the team.

Whatever the Redskins decide to do with the final spot, I don't think it's going to make or break a Super Bowl drive..

By Jason Reid  |  September 2, 2009; 1:00 PM ET
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Its been said often lately. It would be nice for them too let Betts and maybe Cartwright go and move with Aldridge and Marcus Mason. The skins get old to fast because they refuse to go with younger better players.

Posted by: funbot | September 2, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Its been said often lately. It would be nice for them too let Betts and maybe Cartwright go and move with Aldridge and Marcus Mason. The skins get old to fast because they refuse to go with younger better players.

Posted by: funbot | September 2, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I finally got you on one 4th. lol

skinswest no question about it. They are a hot mess and I am sure a lot of players want out of there right now.

Posted by: jm220 | September 2, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins are only going to keep 3 backs, I think Rock should be let go so a spot can be freed up for Marcus Mason. I know folks have said he is lacking in the special teams department but he can be coached up in that area. On the flip side, Rock (as much as I love the guy) can't offer the type of explosiveness that Mason can offer. Mason can be a true change-of-pace back that neither Rock or Betts can be.

Posted by: dc43_wiz_fan | September 2, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I am thinking they should keep Alridge. He looked good last week. How many years are we going give Mason a chance to prove himself?

Posted by: jm220 | September 2, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I am thinking they should keep Alridge. He looked good last week. How many years are we going give Mason a chance to prove himself?

Posted by: jm220 | September 2, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Clinton still has breakaway speed, but you need WRs blocking down field for RB's to turn 20 yard gainers(which Clinton led in the NFL) into TDs. Plus the defense keys on Portis!

Posted by: Vicc's Vapo Rub.

I agree he still has break away speed. I never said he didn't dude. What I do contend is that he has a particularly chronic attitude problem. If you think I am negative check out his comments about his coach, about his O-line, about Riggins ... about playing and "taking care of numero uno and his family".

Portis needs to go. He should have been gone awhile ago, but he is "chick crack" for ol' Danny boy. And in today's NFL you need at least 2 backs. Sans one that whines about lack of playing time and then doesn't produce when his number is called!? Last eight games, 3.2 yds per carry, 2 TDs. He has more breakaway speed than Riggins ever had. And not every line Riggins ran behind were the Hogs. I don't buy his excuses.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

ummm Marcus Mason?? i just hate betts as the third down back and goal line...he always gets tripped up, stuffed or something not good. Skins need to pick up that boy Mason..hes a stud and would be a great compliment to portis..

Posted by: mrhney03 | September 2, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Question:

With Andre Smith out has anyone heard if the Bengals are making a move to bring back Levi Jones?

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Peter King's 2009 final record prediction is out: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/09/01/main/index.html?bcnn=yes

I cannot stand this guy. Has the Skins at 6-10 after upgrading a team that went 8-8 last year, and has the Bears in the Super Bowl. Naturally he has a hard on for his hometown Pats at 13-3.

Posted by: SEJerome | September 2, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

And that's why you don't keep Alridge or Mason. Its highly likely they aren't going to have any sort of impact for the special teams. They will languish on the inactive list while Portis whines about not getting enough carries.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why the Skins can't just keep 5 rbs. The ability of several players to play 2 positions (BO, CW, JB) Should open up a roster or two. I'm pretty sure the skins will not cut Betts or Rock this year but things could change 1 year from now. Mason and Alridge (One of the fastest guys I've ever seen on a football field) would certainly be that change of pace back we desperately need and we should not pass up this opportunity for the future. Find a way to keep both Mason and Alridge. You hear that ZORN? Make it happen.

Posted by: gcoles32 | September 2, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

As I mentioned on the previous thread, Vinny strongly hinted on 980 this morning that they will keep 4 RBs. He stated they would love to keep 25 on Offense, 25 on Defense, and 3 special teams.

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 2, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I cannot stand this guy. Has the Skins at 6-10

He is being generous guy. You forget, Danny and Vinny "upgraded" the team. Look what happened last year when they "upgraded" the wide receiver corps. I think "4-12" is probably going to end up being right.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

When Portis first came up he was more of a home run threat. But under Gibbs he had to bulk up for the grind it out type of running he liked to do.

You have to like AA and the potential for that kind of speed. I also like Dorsey and would like to see him return punts. Unlike ARE he looks like he knows what he's doing back there.

That said, I think Rock is under appreciated. His KO returns are consistently to the 30 or thereabouts. He makes good decisions and runs north/south.

It seems like the Pats use four RBs every game on a consistant basis.

Posted by: skinfanman | September 2, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

let portis go. he's got a big head but can't produce.

Posted by: capsfan2007 | September 2, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

It would appear with all the talk about him being the 3rd down back that Betts has his spot. I don't think its best for us offensively but what do I know. That being said, you have Rock, Mason and Alridge competing for the final 2 spots. I like Mason personally. Unless there is a big surprise, I'd say ROCK CP BETTS and either Mason or Alridge will be kept. I wouldnt be totally surprised if they Rock go to make room for them both tho.

Posted by: scottmando | September 2, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why the Skins can't just keep 5 rbs.

They are. In Zorn's scheme Davis and especially Cooley are lining up more in the backfield. He is WC so he will be accenting the short passing game ... thankfully ... given that you can't rely on Portis.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

yikes....time to go get some work done....way too unintelligent up in here, apologies to anyone not named periculum, and capsfan2007.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Some of you have really lost it. You want to let go of the one person that has been productive year in and year out on offense. That idea is almost worse than anything the Dan and Vinny comes up with.

Posted by: jm220 | September 2, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

It's frightening how badly otherwise smart people so badly misunderstand this situation. The Redskins did not get caught by the Post and then took action...that is nonsense. The Redskins caught the employees, then took action and dealt with the employees, and THEN the Post found out about it and wrote a slanted story. The Post article does not mention how they found out, which is par for the course. The insiders know the rules of how the game is played and the readers are left in the dark.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

how do you know that's the order of events? do you really believe it was during routine audit? if it was routine, why didnt they catch it the year before? did you notice who else was on this byline? JLAC. when did he leave the post? a while ago, which suggests that the post has been working on this story for a long time.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 2, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Peter King's 2009 final record prediction is out: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/09/01/main/index.html?bcnn=yes

I cannot stand this guy. Has the Skins at 6-10 after upgrading a team that went 8-8 last year, and has the Bears in the Super Bowl. Naturally he has a hard on for his hometown Pats at 13-3.

Posted by: SEJerome | September 2, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse


PK is a donkey like none other. He texts players/execs that he knows for a couple of quotes, talks about coffee, and does zero research/analysis.

It's not just that the Skins upgraded, but if you look at our schedule, there is no way a rational person pegs us at only 6 wins.

We play games against Detroit, St. Louis, Denver, Tampa Bay, and KC - all franchises in Year 1 of rebuilding with new coached.

We play Oakland, 'nuff said.

That's 6 wins right there without even considering our divisional schedule (we will NOT go 0-6 in the division).

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

As I mentioned on the previous thread, Vinny strongly hinted on 980 this morning that they will keep 4 RBs. He stated they would love to keep 25 on Offense, 25 on Defense, and 3 special teams.

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 2, 2009 1:29 PM

Hmmm. 25 on O.
3 at QB.
5 at WR.
3 at TE.
4 at RB.
10 on the OL?
Or is it 9 at OL plus 1 at FB?

If the 4 at RB does not include Sellers, then we have Portis, Betts, Rock and Aldrige/Dorsey/Mason.

Posted by: skinfanman | September 2, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"I agree he still has break away speed. I never said he didn't dude."

Ok, I'll say it then.

Dude has no speed anymore. He used to be able to get to the outside, but now he gets caught in the backfield by DE's.

He also looks fat and out of shape.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 2, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

yikes....time to go get some work done....way too unintelligent up in here, apologies to anyone not named periculum, and capsfan2007.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009

The after effects of bean boy's diet getting a little too toxic ... his exhaust is lethal

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Aldridge looked good last week but at 175lbs I'm not sure he'd last. I'd rather they kept Mason or if Rob Jackson is on the bubble keep him.

Posted by: skinswest | September 2, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Mike & Mike picked the Skins to go 8-8 and be at the bottom of the NFC East - as has EVERY sports media outlet.

And then they picked the Jets to go 10-6 - huh????

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 2, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"How many years are we going give Mason a chance to prove himself?"

Well we're on zero right now, but if he's lucky, he may get his first one coming up.

Posted by: psps23 | September 2, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I think I'd be looking for some OL. Might as well be proactive about it.

The running game probably won't produce much this year given how terrible it was in the last eight games last year. Its the short passing game that will be the key for Zorn to keep his job. I think he'll make sure he has that covered. Looks like Mssr. Betts who has had a great off season and camp will be a big part of that.

Sorry bean boy but your hero is going to be "non sequitor", "captain donzel", etc. this coming year.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Aldridge looked good last week but at 175lbs I'm not sure he'd last. I'd rather they kept Mason or if Rob Jackson is on the bubble keep him.

Posted by: skinswest | September 2, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse


I think we can afford to lose a DE from this roster considering we have a dozen.

What we need is a veteran backup tackle.

I hope we wait for cuts and pick one up.

If we keep 4Rbs at the expense of some veteran Oline depth WE WILL REGRET IT.

They are already talking about Chris Samuels likely not being able to go a full 16 games this year (surprised?).

How are we feeling about a starting tackle tandem of Heyer and Bridges?

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Well we're on zero right now, but if he's lucky, he may get his first one coming up.

Posted by: psps23

I must of missed something psp because this is not his first year trying out with the team.

Posted by: jm220 | September 2, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

SEJerome... why did you post that? Now I'm angry. 6-10? I'm no Homer but I can't see them doing worse than 8-8 again.

I'm also not big on Betts as a 3rd down back. If this is their way of giving him more reps, they clearly haven't looked at his productivity within the 5 yard line. Any time there is a line on the field he needs to get past, he gets stuffed.

Posted by: Dorf | September 2, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

We can be insulted, and we will probably have the last laugh, but based on WHAT team history would anyone pick the 'Skins to go better than 8-8?

From the outside looking in, it's the same old merry-go-round, with just different names and faces.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 2, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

when are the final roster cuts due?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 2, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

U fools raggin' on CPo - Your contentions don't make sense. You don't offer anything to back up your point of view other than your own opinion. We've heard you, now drop it or make a point (or don't, you'll just get ITA'd).

You don't like the guy personally. So. What. I do. So. What.

If he ends up going under 1K and misses 4 plus games, then you've got all the humble pie to serve. But until then, there isn't much propping your tired argument up.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Come on, I never get why people care so much about predictions by espn, mike and mike, SI, whatever... when are they ever right anyway??? mike and mike are both idiots.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 2, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Peter King is on that dope. The Dolphins at 8-8? B-More at 9-7? I don't take him seriously. Even if you go through the Skins schedule conservatively there is no way they should finish the season less than 8-8 or 9-7. They play the AFC West and Detroit and the Lou, as well as a depleted Tampa Bay at home. While they could get seven wins right there, if you put it at 5 or six plus two division wins out of 6 and a win against Carolina, ATL or Nawlins then you arrive at 8.

Did anyone have Zona in the Super Bowl last year? Anyone have the Dolphins winning the East? In the words of teh greatest coach in teh history of the NFL, the immortal Herm Edwards "That is why you play the game". At least I think he said it. There isn't a whole lot he hasn't said. "Will head coach for pastry" is another one I believe.

Posted by: lavararrington | September 2, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

SEJerome... why did you post that? Now I'm angry. 6-10? I'm no Homer but I can't see them doing worse than 8-8 again.

No OL. So, little to no offense. Attempts will be made to "force" the running game to make owner DM Snyder happy (Portis happy). Short passing game may work if it is allowed to be their primary 1st and 2nd down strategy. Not with whiny Portis and Snidley the owner. Wide receivers look to be much, much better this year.
Tight end position awesome.

Great DL, lots of depth. Much poorer defensive backfield. They are already getting torched. You rush the passer, you blitz you get beaten by the bomb. They needed to keep Shawn Springs. Line backing is going to take some time to get better post Marcus Washington. There will be some break away runs. Lots of tight ends putting up big numbers against this team.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

with all the versatility on the team, there is no reason not to keep more running backs. (LA, JB, BO, CW). I do think that the 53rd man on this team matters, if it is a change of pace back. Every successful rushing attack in the league uses more than 1 back. We need to follow suit. If they stupidly choose not to keep Mason/Alridge/Dorsey, then the 53rd spot wont matter because the last guy will be a reserve LB that will never dress.

Posted by: brian58 | September 2, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1- Sept 5

Posted by: rachel216 | September 2, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

John D, wtSJK?!

How can you add perhaps the best defensive player in the league to a top 4 D and NOT get better?!?

AND the 2nd year players are improving?!

That's not the same old m-g-r. That's a marked improvement.

10-6, Playoffs.

[IF's being injuries - btw, the same for any post-season hopeful.]

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

humble pie to serve. But until then, there isn't much propping your tired argument up.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009

Last year, last 8 games. Clinton Portis 3.2 yds per carry, 2 TDs. That's enough to "prop up" any argument.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Portis needs to go. He should have been gone awhile ago...

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Congrats, Periculum. That is officially the stupidest thing anyone has said on this blog since......you, i guess -- When you were trying to explain what a "Mike" DEFENSIVE TACKLE is -- which doesn't exist. But you defended your point vehemently anyways. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | September 2, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Barno, What speed do you set your blender on to so thoroughly combine righteous indignation with thick-headed naivety?

Posted by: mack1 | September 2, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Much poorer defensive backfield. They are already getting torched. You rush the passer, you blitz you get beaten by the bomb. They needed to keep Shawn Springs.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

?!?!?

And who did they get torched by? They got torched by Randy Moss in one game.

That's like griping at a pitcher who gave up a hit to Albert Pujols

Randy Moss is officially uncoverable.

They needed to keep Springs? Why? To give him $8mill for playing half a season? do you seriously think Springs can cover Randy moss?

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1- Sept 5

Posted by: rachel21

Thank you

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 2, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Don't cut Marko!

Remember when we cut Keenan McCardell, who went on to play for 17 years in this league.

Do not repeat that mistake!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | September 2, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

when are the final roster cuts due?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 2, 2009 1:44 PM

Sept. 5th

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Last year, last 8 games. Clinton Portis 3.2 yds per carry, 2 TDs. That's enough to "prop up" any argument.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, that was all Clinton's fault.

Dude was 4th in the league in rushing last year...wth??

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"I must of missed something psp because this is not his first year trying out with the team.

Posted by: jm220"

And every year he's proven that he's clearly in the upper echelon of preseason players.

What he hasn't had is any chance to prove that he can carry it over to the regular season with the Skins. So, right now, he's on year zero, possibly transitioning to year 1.

The only thing Mason has proved is that he hasn't failed at any task the Redskins have provided him. He may be unproven, but that's far from disproven.

Posted by: psps23 | September 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Peri - NO OL?! Where do you GET this stuff?!! It's not the BEST OL, but it's better than last year's 6-2 OL & if they stay healthy (big IF) they'll be even more successful.

Springs was only there half the time, so a full time guy who's even half as good will be the same value. Our guys are more than half as good. i.e. we've improved there, too.

Srsly, banana leaf is not a good substitute. Stop the Salvia!

Believe it or not I agree on the need to cover TEs better. They have the tools, just need to use them right.

PK=pastrycoarch

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse


Alridge v. Mason

"Alridge helped himself by gaining 49 yards on nine carries against the New England Patriots..."

Alridge v. Mason

Which is which?

Scatback v. change o' pace back?

Darren Sproles, 2.0

Same player, two different packages.

Thing is, the offense needs a guy who if given a yard of space can turn it in to field flipping big gain.

I'll take either one.

But we can't 2.4 yards and a cloud of dust anymore.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

And please stop citing the Portis stats from the last 8 games of 2008. The rest of us realized the O-line and lack of passing production (stemming, yet again, from the O-line) were the problems. You missed that when you were looking for the non-existent Mike DT on the field. Assigning blame to a great RB for not being able to break multiple tackles on his way back to the line of scrimmage every play is a simplistic, child-like way to look at football.

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | September 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1- No prob. To be even more specific, it's September 5th, 4pm.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 2, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

And please stop citing the Portis stats from the last 8 games of 2008. The rest of us realized the O-line and lack of passing production (stemming, yet again, from the O-line) were the problems.

Sorry I don't happen to agree with your "childlike" hero worship from the "mike" linebacker position dude.

No excuses when you ask for the ball. He knew the line, he knew he was hurt. NO EXCUSES.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

They needed to keep Shawn Springs.

Yeah keep a man at the price of his contract that was always hurt here and now hurt with the Pats.

Posted by: jm220 | September 2, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Save time. Cut Clinton Portis now. The problem is you get hammered on the salary cap.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The 53rd player doesn't MATTER. PERIOD.

That's the person who will be relesed within the 1st 3/4 weeks for someone better. Or the Skins may like someone cut from another team next week, and that man will be gone at that earlier time....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

And peri =- that stat is irrelevant due to the fact it came in a season where he ALREADY KILLED IT... and was coming off injury (happens to the best *ehmBRADY*ehm) AND was run into a wall behind a carp line. Yes, I said it, CARP! by a newb coarch who didn't know SJK from shinola. His stats last year were fine. Really good, even.

Are you really going to blame the WHOLE TEAM's inability to score on the injured RB?!

He was 4th in the league last year. who dropps the #4 back?!? 2 more and then ITA. lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeah keep a man at the price of his contract that was always hurt here and now hurt with the Pats.

Posted by: jm220 | September 2, 2009

Yeah, ain't it interesting that a team that is likely headed for the superbowl, one with perennially one of the best defenses around snapped the guy up almost immediately? Nah, they are idiots even with their 11-3 records aren't they?

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse


Who is #53 will be decided Thursday and will likely depend on an injury.

Posted by: TheCork | September 2, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

The Buccanneers released guard/center Sean Mahan to make room on the roster. The move is somewhat surprising, if only because Mahan has started 52 games in the league and the team re-acquired him via trade from Pittsburgh last year.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"The 53rd player doesn't MATTER. PERIOD.

That's the person who will be relesed within the 1st 3/4 weeks for someone better."

Not necessarily true. The 53rd player last year was Alfred Fincher, who played himself on the roster in the final game of the preseason. The guy who got cut for something better was Leigh Torrence, who actually started the season 4th on the depth chart for his position, ahead of Justin Tryon. The first guy to get cut is not always who you think.

Posted by: psps23 | September 2, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, you blew your argument with the Springs comment. Let's see how he does for New England... if he makes it on the field.

Posted by: Dorf | September 2, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Are you really going to blame the WHOLE TEAM's inability to score on the injured RB?!

When he asks for the ball. WHINES to the press when he doesn't get it. Knowing the situation? YES.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

my issue with coverong Randy Moss ... Hall can't handle him 1 on 1 -- adn few if any can. So where was LL? He looks really uncomfortable at FS

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 2, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna wade into the Portis must go arena for a second...

Ok, here's what we know:

1. Portis has produced at all pro levels recently
2. Portis has produced at practice squad levels recently
3. Portis is getting old as far as RBs are concerned.
4. Portis is paid well as far as RBs go
5. RB is of less immediate concern than, say, OL, WR, and QB right now (not to mention D)

So all things considered, do I support running him out of town? No.
But do I engage in Portis worship? No.
What has he done that makes him untouchable? Sure, I love him putting Kiawanuka on his tookus, but until they start a YouTube bowl, I gotta keep things in perspective.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 2, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

4thfloor

"That's the person (53rd player) who will be relesed within the 1st 3/4 weeks for someone better..."


That's why scanning the cutwire is going to be interesting.

I'm quite sure some big name or vet players might be availiable, not because they can't play, but because some team wants to 'go in another direction'.

Hopefully, some vet o-linemen gets cut and wanders into ours.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Who was the 53rd poster?


Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | September 2, 2009 1:57 PM

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 2, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

No excuses when you ask for the ball. He knew the line, he knew he was hurt. NO EXCUSES.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Are you suggesting that Portis should have sat out if he knew the line was so terrible last year?? I think everyone was aware (including Portis, Campbell, & Zorn) and just went ahead trying to do their job to the best of their ability. Whether or not you like his off-field candor, Portis does everything he can to help the Skins win everytime he's on the field. Last year was no exception. His line fell apart with Samuel's injury and Jansen's ageing (and scarce quality depth). Not his fault.

Why again, do you think we should have gotten rid of Portis "a long time ago"?

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | September 2, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Peri?! one more... even with the OVERUSE of the bold...

how is carrying an injured CB helping anything for the Patz. They lost their division to the Phins... THE PHINS last year. U really see them going 11-3 (what other 2 games?!) again? mebbe. but somehow I don't think it's Springs winning it for them...

The $$ argument is valid, though I believe incorrect. That's another discussion.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Are you suggesting that Portis should have sat out if he knew the line was so terrible last year??

No, he should not have asked for the ball, not criticized his coach to the press, nor his offensive line. Maybe act like he was part of a team?

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Then go troll around on the Pats blog. You make JLC look like the Richard Simmons with that negativity.

You look forward to their losses and lack of success so you can say I Told You So. Real big of you.

Posted by: Dorf | September 2, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

@DikShuttle,

We'll see what happens in New England. I suspect they will use Springs to cover the best receivers they go against. I suspect he will be there when they are in the playoffs and if they are lucky, the superbowl.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, ain't it interesting that a team that is likely headed for the superbowl, one with perennially one of the best defenses around snapped the guy up almost immediately? Nah, they are idiots even with their 11-3 records aren't they?

Posted by: periculum

Don't even know why I am even bothering answering you because you really have a problem reading and understanding what it is that you reading. Is Springs getting paid by the Pats what he would have gotten paid for the Skins to keep him? NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! That's enough of me spending my energy on you.

Posted by: jm220 | September 2, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

This post has been hijacked by Priest Holmes alter ego....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Dik, Agreed! but from the outside looking in, I think the "pundits" aren't going to give the Redskins any credit any more for winning the offseason.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 2, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

People, Marcus had a very good game against New England FIRST TEAM defense and scored a touchdown and made a key block to spring a QB run for a touch down on a Former All Pro Defense of End ( Seymour ). Last year when Marcus ran for the Preseason rushing crown against the 3 & 4 string defenses you all cried that he can't do it against the 1st String and he did it the other night. When he injured his Ribs late in the game he was on his way to putting on a rushing clinic against New England's 3rd & 4th stringers but he got hurt on a 9 yard run. So now Aldridge make some runs late in the game against the guys that will be cut on Friday, now he is the next best thing.... Make up your minds and go with it. Marcus will make the team unless he have brain farts in the game like he did last year in the final preseason game against the Jags..... This year he is ready and matured a great deal...... He will make that final spot.....

Posted by: thebanker21 | September 2, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Then go troll around on the Pats blog. You make JLC look like the Richard Simmons with that negativity.

Still not even close to being as negative as your hero Portis. Why would a silly troglodyte troll like you want to be on this blog? Dorf the Dork? Sheesh you leave yourself open dude.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

No, he should not have asked for the ball, not criticized his coach to the press, nor his offensive line. Maybe act like he was part of a team?

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Periculum,

Give us an update on the MIKE PUNTER competition. You lost any and all credibility with the MIKE DT argument. Now you just come of as a bitter old man.

Why does it seem like you would not be a good team player in anything?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 2, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Ok, you've acheived ITA. Congratulations.

So it is personal, then. It's a personality thing. Whatever. At least he had the gumption to call out Coarch Gump on his failures. If Zorn had done things correctly, it wouldn't even have been an issue. And before you aks, yes, I blame the slide on 1) Zorn's reaction to 2) injury and adversity.

...but like I said, we're ITA now. so. pipe. smoke it. w/your Salvia.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The only thing Mason has proved is that he hasn't failed at any task the Redskins have provided him.

Posted by: psps23 | September 2, 2009 1:57 PM

I'd offer the alternative. This is his 3rd preseason with the team, and he hasn't locked up a spot on the roster. Why? Because of special teams.
That's the 'task' at which he's failed...that 'task' is his ticket to the 53, and he's yet to punch that ticket.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 2, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The 53rd player doesn't MATTER. PERIOD.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2009 2:02 PM

I'm going to pretend you didn't say that. Last year's 53rd man was ... Leigh Torrence.

But seriously (isn't it always serious up here?), every guy on the 53 man roster is both the 53rd man and a "lock." Bubble schmubble. You take the field with the girl(s) you brang with ya to the dance, such as

Posted by: dcsween | September 2, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Is Springs getting paid by the Pats what he would have gotten paid for the Skins to keep him? NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Foolish Rabbit. Some players (Portis, Brandon Lloyd excluded) are actually interested in getting to the playoffs, maybe the Superbowl. Springs seems to be that sort of player, so perhaps he would accept the lower salary to go to a better managed winning team. See Champ Bailey's comments about Snidley Owl for additional corroboration dude.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

ita time guys....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Pats are only paying Springs 2 million, as opposed to the near 8 mill he was getting with the skins. Oh and he’s already hurt and missing games…….he might be there when they make the playoffs, but that hinges upon Brady’s health, not Springs……and I will eat my hat if Springs plays in all 16 reg season games…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 2, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Give us an update on the MIKE PUNTER competition. You lost any and all credibility with the MIKE DT argument. Now you just come of as a bitter old man.

Okay how about your MIKE beanie baby plush toy of Clinton Portis? I'm sure it gives you lots of comfort while you suck your thumb wallygator?

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Srry JohnD, missed the change in perspective!

& Peri - not ITA'd on Springs. Aside from the following point, you very well could be right. I don't think so, but you could be.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Peri-
The fact that you have to shift your argument and do a complete 180 from "he underproduced in the last 8 games" (citing his stats) to "he whined last year" -- shows that you are backpedaling and reaching. I'll take that as a sign that you don't have a real argument. And really, how could you? Like him or not, Portis is arguably our best player on the field. The Skins have plenty of issues with their roster (as do most teams) but I don't think our Pro-Bowl running back is one of them.

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | September 2, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

ita time guys....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2009

Eat beans the musical fruit. When you have no intelligent response ... you ita? Sheesh you are so darned predictable bean boy.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Save time. Cut Clinton Portis now. The problem is you get hammered on the salary cap.

Posted by: periculum |

Dumb comments disguised by crafty font changes are still dumb comments. I'd rather have Vinny C. as GM for life than have you making personnel moves for one day. Your ideas are disposable and your negative vibe is downright dooshey. You must be sponsored by Massengil.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 2, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Peri,

You are officially in irrational FIRE_JIM_ZORN mode.

So far we need to cut Clinton Portis b/c he asked for the ball last year and finished 4th in the league in rushing despite an injured Oline and crappy passing game down the stretch.

Next, we should have kept Shawn Springs. Only a couple posts later, you inform us (no doubt through your telepathic abilities) that Springs wanted to leave to go to a better managed franchise...well that would make it hard for the Skins to actually keep him, wouldn't it.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

If the team can finally be one of those that wins every game it should on paper there is no reason for it to do worse then 10 wins and probably get up to 12. If the team can batch the easy wins like we did 2-3 times last year then who knows.
Its that simple.
Win the games you should and you will go far.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 2, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to argue Portis should be cut because he's the best halfback this team has. However, saying he was fourth in the league last year is VERY misleading. Yes, he was fourth in the league in rushing yards, but what I care about is yards per carry. He ranked 23rd there!! Part of that was a depleted o-line. Part of that was poor blocking by tiny receivers on the edge (I think Mitchell can help there). Part of that was the lack of the passing game. Part of that was concervative play-calling. And part of that was Portis' lack of breakaway speed. When a wide receiver (Thomas) has a longer carry than your running backs, there is either a problem. EVERYBODY on the offense/coaching staff can receive blame for the lack of production, especially during the late-season slide. Just please get off the "He was fourth in the league" stuff. Show me a better average per carry before you want me to believe he's still an elite back.

Posted by: jjd72079 | September 2, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

The fact that you have to shift your argument and do a complete 180 from "he underproduced in the last 8 games" (citing his stats) to "he whined last year" --

He did both. That's the crux of it. We'll see how he does this year. You may see a game or two or three ... enough for him to beat Riggins eventually. But to help this team win? I don't see it.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

At least FJZ gave us videos.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 2, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Al, but our hallmark is to LOOSE the ones we should win... lmao.

arrrgh RAMS arrrrgh

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Springs wanted to leave to go to a better managed franchise...well that would make it hard for the Skins to actually keep him, wouldn't it.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009

Dude, would that be so far-fetched, so hard to believe? Bailey did it!? Sheesh ...

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Just catching up on posts but here's my take:

1) Mike and Mike 8-8 pick...when I heard their analysis, there was no analysis. You could tell they did no homework. It is what it is...and you pick the JETS to go 10-6?????

2) Skins would be foolish to cut Marko Mitchell. I could understand if he lit it up against 3rd stringers, but he has done well with the 1st team.

3) Snyder needs to call his staff into a meeting with a round table, get a baseball bat and if you saw UNTOUCHABLES, you know the rest.

Back to work for me!

Posted by: rickyroge | September 2, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Rick not picking on you but the only reason Snyder would do that is if he figured out who leaked the story.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 2, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that Jason Reid is being smug yet again in this piece. Goes out of his way not to mention Marcus Mason, even though he knows full well that he is well ahead of Alridge and every Redskins fan knows this. Yes, we get it Jason Reid...you don't think Mason will make the team...we get it. But to pretend as if Alridge might make the team over Mason is utter lunacy.

Jason La Canfora would be proud.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

Posted by: Dorf | September 2, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Seems like today has more around the theme, out with the old, in with the new!!

If only the new guys were sure to prove as good as the old guys.

Folks seem only to happy to dump Betts for Mason, Cartwright for Alridge, even Clinton Portis goes out the window with the trash because he's almost thirty!!

Good thinkin', guys. Doesn't matter if the team we put on the field against NY isn't as good as the team we put on the field at the end of last season. It's younger!! Give the guy a chance!!! How's he gonna get better if he never gets on the field because some 29 year old doesn't know it's time for him to quit and get to work carryin' hod?

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

bSJK, jjd,

It's an entirely valid stat esp. when you consider the downturn in the second half.

I still fail to see, even with the situational complaints, you can sit there and fully disparage arguably the best player on your squad.

Unless it's a personality thing. Just come out and say it. It makes so much more sense than hiding behind the excuses you are now.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Dorf- I'd add a "...Just Wow."

Posted by: 4-12 | September 2, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"Dude, would that be so far-fetched, so hard to believe? Bailey did it!? Sheesh ... Posted by: periculum"

I bet Champ's happy now...

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Portis sucks! He's a cancer that will plague this team again this year.

Posted by: richard_cranium | September 2, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Springs wanted to leave to go to a better managed franchise...well that would make it hard for the Skins to actually keep him, wouldn't it.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009

Dude, would that be so far-fetched, so hard to believe? Bailey did it!? Sheesh ...

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse


You are missing my point.

You initiated this discussion by saying that the Skins should have kept Springs.

Several posts later you throw out this line that Springs wanted to leave.

You can't have it both ways.

Either Springs wanted to stay and the Skins blew it by not re-signing him or Springs wanted to leave and could have done nothing to keep him.

You are confused if you are trying to argue both points...at least be consistent with your nonsense.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not going to argue Portis should be cut because he's the best halfback this team has. However, saying he was fourth in the league last year is VERY misleading. Yes, he was fourth in the league in rushing yards, but what I care about is yards per carry. He ranked 23rd there!! Part of that was a depleted o-line. Part of that was poor blocking by tiny receivers on the edge (I think Mitchell can help there). Part of that was the lack of the passing game. Part of that was concervative play-calling. And part of that was Portis' lack of breakaway speed. When a wide receiver (Thomas) has a longer carry than your running backs, there is either a problem. EVERYBODY on the offense/coaching staff can receive blame for the lack of production, especially during the late-season slide. Just please get off the "He was fourth in the league" stuff. Show me a better average per carry before you want me to believe he's still an elite back.Posted by: jjd72079"

Always dangerous to overemphasize one stat vs all others.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

To all the people saying we need to cut Clinton Portis, stop wasting space on the page. He may have been 23rd or whatever in YPC, but how many people above him are 3rd down backs getting non-first down yards.

I want to see Mason and Aldridge AT LEAST on the practice squad. I don't really care if they make the actual team, but if Portis or Betts gets dinged up, bring in Mason. If Rock goes down, bring in Aldrige.

Posted by: dshockey | September 2, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins really want to win this year they should make some hard choices now. Let Randel El Go, Betts Go and Cartwright and keep these young guys with talent and play them. We need to keep a lot of back up OL cause the best ones we have are injury prone so we need to cut in other spots. We should also let Robert Thomas go from the LB core. There are players there to let go and keep some of these young guys for once!!!

Posted by: funbot | September 2, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Just wow.

Gadzooks.

Egads.

Carumba.

Posted by: Dorf | September 2, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

For everyone complaining about Portis, look at Denver's backfield after they got rid of him.

What other running back could the skins bring in to replace Portis?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 2, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

my issue with coverong Randy Moss ... Hall can't handle him 1 on 1 -- adn few if any can. So where was LL? He looks really uncomfortable at FS

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 2, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse


I'm sure in a regular season game, we do a much better job scheming against Moss.

DHall's coverage was actually good on that Moss TD. He didn't get burned by the double-move and made up the ground. It was simply a perfectly executed route/throw.

After the Pats game, one of my comments was that LL30 has looked a step slow on many plays. Not sure if it's just me...

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

When Art Bell retired a few years ago, I guess he took up blogging under the screen name "Barno1"

Posted by: 4-12 | September 2, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

pfunk,

yeah, I think that whole setup was 1) to see what our boys could do against the best and 2) to scare the crap outta 'em.

I think it worked on both counts.

The 2 drives following we not nearly as successful, were they?

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I just... wow... I go away for a little while and come back to find periculum's brain train has leaped off the track and is barreling full speed towards Cloudcuckootown by way of Irrational Argumentation Junction...

peri, buddy, cool it down. I'm not entirely sure what set you off about Clinton Portis -- aside from his ongoing refusal to transmogrify into Priest Holmes -- but I think things might have gotten a wee bit out of hand. Take a deep breath, then another... have a slug of whiskey... whatever it takes. There's a long season ahead, we can't have you blowing out a carpal tunnel on this non-issue today...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 2, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

U'all realize that you are arguing with periculum right?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Okay Periculum, what do you like about this team? Tell us your ideal replacement back. Offer us some constructive, logical alternatives to this awful team's problems and quit the name calling (sniff sniff) and maybe people with take you seriously.

Posted by: Dorf | September 2, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Also, you can't make the argument that Portis doesn't get enough yards per carry but he gets a lot of overall yards. His yards per carry declined greatly with the decline of the O-line.

The first 11 games Portis averaged 4.9 YPC!
Last 5 games he averaged 2.8 YPC!!

Do I think Portis got worse the last 5 games. No. I think the team did.

Posted by: dshockey | September 2, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Either Springs wanted to stay and the Skins blew it by not re-signing him or Springs wanted to leave and could have done nothing to keep him.

You are confused if you are trying to argue both points...at least be consistent with your nonsense.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009

Uhhh, it looks so simple a brain dead termite could understand it dude. Let's see Springs is unwilling to renegotiate his contract. Wants to be paid what was originally stipulated to play for Snidely's Circus. He likes the defensive coach, some of his team mates. But knows they will likely never win anything of consequence. It is also kind of his home town.

So, GM Danny releases him. A consistently winning team inquires about his services. Convinces him that his skills fit in with what they are doing. Probably mentions that he isn't getting any younger and the potential playoffs he might miss by not signing? Fait Accompli.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

There's so much stupid in here it should be illegal. Portis had no offensvie line in 3 of those games and played against 3 top 5 run defenses in 3 games. In the two remaining he shredded Seattle for 143 yards and averaged 4.5 YPC against the cowboys. He only got 68 yards but Marion Barber had the ball the whole time so he really didn't get a chance. If you give Portis just one offensive tackle and a respectable pass threat he'll dominate. Also keep in mind how many games Portis ran the clock out for us last year. His YPC suffers when the other team knows he's running every single play. Portis is one of the best running backs in the league. He has the best vision of any back out there. He has just enough speed to get to the second level. He won't break one but he'll pick up that first down. He'll stone a pass rusher with the best of them. He can catch. He can throw a TD. He's probably the best all around back outside of Brian Westbrook. The guys that want to get rid of him should go back to watching soccer or some sport they actually understand.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 2, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

That's it- RI is now illegal.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 2, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that Jason Reid is being smug yet again in this piece. Goes out of his way not to mention Marcus Mason, even though he knows full well that he is well ahead of Alridge and every Redskins fan knows this. Yes, we get it Jason Reid...you don't think Mason will make the team...we get it. But to pretend as if Alridge might make the team over Mason is utter lunacy.

Jason La Canfora would be proud.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Uh, maybe the reason Reid is reporting that Aldridge will make the team over Mason is because that's what his sources in the organization are telling him is true. And maybe it's a good idea!

Posted by: dc-nc | September 2, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"He's probably the best all around back outside of Brian Westbrook."

Smoke another one dude- that is hilarious

Posted by: richard_cranium | September 2, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Okay Periculum, what do you like about this team? Tell us your ideal replacement back. Offer us some constructive, logical alternatives to this awful team's problems and quit the name calling (sniff sniff) and maybe people with take you seriously.

Posted by: Dorf | September 2, 2009


Let's see ...

1. I really like the wide receivers. Some expected, some unexpected. Devin Thomas falling off ... expected. Marko will make a big difference I think.

2. I really like the tight end situation with Cooley and Davis.

3. I like the defensive line. Even without AH.

4. I like the upside potential the linebacking has. Just not sure how long it will take to realize it.

5. Great safeties.

6. Improved special teams if the coaches aren't overruled in who they decide should stay.

_______________________________________________

Alternatives to Portis? To the offensive line?

There aren't really any ... except to change over completely to west coast and use the short pass instead of the run. Heyer's strength is pass blocking. If he ends up at left tackle due to injury?

Draft OL and a running back next year. Please. And yes, draft yet another corner back.

Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

The first 11 games Portis averaged 4.9 YPC!
Last 5 games he averaged 2.8 YPC!!

Do I think Portis got worse the last 5 games. No. I think the team did.

Posted by: dshockey | September 2, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse


Not just that, but the Skins got predictable as the season went on.

The team got "outed" at being one-dimensional: having an effective run game and zero passing game.

As the season wore on, teams just crowded the box and dared the Skins to throw the ball effectively...we did not rise to the occasion.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

This new radio station has been talking about Redskins Scalping Faux Pas for like 5/6 hours now. Can we move forward? talk about tomm game and final 53?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Thank you.

Posted by: Dorf | September 2, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I have the Skins winning at least 10 games. Maybe more. See what you guys think.

at NY Giants - L
St. Louis - W
at Detroit - W
Tampa Bay - W
at Carolina - L
Kansas City - W
Philadelphia - L
at Atlanta - L
Denver - W
at Dallas - L
at Philadelphia - W
New Orleans - W
at Oakland - W
NY Giants - W
Dallas - W
at San Diego - L

Posted by: TheJury | September 2, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

DC-NC
I have heard many people have sources that say that Aldridge is gonna be the one on the team as he is Vinnys guy.

Just thats what I am hearing on the talkers.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 2, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Barno, non-nonconformist, unsticking it to the man!

You hate the thought of your beloved team not loving you back. Toughen up Barno. It's football.

Posted by: mack1 | September 2, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Don't sweat Barno. His hard on for the WaPo is the size of the wash monument. He even kept up the "good fight" during Sean Taylor death. He is either still upset about Watergate or a young nubile copy editor of Style refuses to respond to his E-Harmony email. Either way his agenda is obvious. But loves our skins!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Uhhh, it looks so simple a brain dead termite could understand it dude. Let's see Springs is unwilling to renegotiate his contract. Wants to be paid what was originally stipulated to play for Snidely's Circus. He likes the defensive coach, some of his team mates. But knows they will likely never win anything of consequence. It is also kind of his home town.

So, GM Danny releases him. A consistently winning team inquires about his services. Convinces him that his skills fit in with what they are doing. Probably mentions that he isn't getting any younger and the potential playoffs he might miss by not signing? Fait Accompli.


Posted by: periculum | September 2, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse


Fine.

So all you are basically saying is that we should have continued to pay him $8 million a season for his services, given his injury history and age.

I disagree.

Anyone else out there agree with Peri?

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, Jury, I'm going to take issue with that New Orleans win. Their passing game is sick. I think Drew Brees probably has wet dreams about facing Justin Tryon.

Posted by: dc-nc | September 2, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I still wanna know who the 53rd poster was

Posted by: connskins | September 2, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 2, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

beep beep. unless you're Periculum

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | September 2, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Fine.

So all you are basically saying is that we should have continued to pay him $8 million a season for his services, given his injury history and age.

I disagree.

Anyone else out there agree with Peri?

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse


No.

I don't think anyone will agree that we should cut one of the best running backs in the league and continue to overpay Springs.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 2, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

This new radio station has been talking about Redskins Scalping Faux Pas for like 5/6 hours now. Can we move forward? talk about tomm game and final 53?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse


Isn't that the station with BMitch and LaVar?

I'm waiting for the debut of the Antonio Pierce & Derrick Frost show featuring Charley Casserly...

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Smoke another one dude- that is hilarious

Posted by: richard_cranium | September 2, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse


Name a better one.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17-

re: "Name a better one."

Here's 3- can't wait to hear the argument that Portis is better then any of them. Opposing defenses do not worry about Portis.

1. Adrian Peterson, Minnesota
2. Michael Turner, Atlanta
3. DeAngelo Williams, Carolina

Posted by: richard_cranium | September 2, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The fan love for Mason is kind of funny. He's not a special teams player AND he has trouble picking up the blitz when he's in the backfield. Oh and at best he'd be the 3rd string RB. As Danny Smith said "Why do you suppose he's been on 3 NFL teams and never taken a snap?" I get it that he's a very nice runner with great vision according to Brian Mitchell, but if you aren't good at ST and can't pick up the blitz then your running ability is kind of moot.

Alridge at least offers blazing speed and the possibility of upgrading the punt and KO returns and coverage teams.

Posted by: thinker11 | September 2, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Who is this periculum guy and why is anyone listening to him. He obviously has no real knowledge of football and doesn't really love the redskins or he would stop bagging on them before the first snap of the season.
Get rid of Portis? The only true All-Pro level performer on the team, makes great sense. I suppose you think we should start Colt Brennen too?
If defenses weren't scared of Portis, we wouldn't constantly face 7 and 8 man fronts. If our line could have continued to protect and open holes JC would have an extension and Portis would have run for 1800 yards.
BTW, most yards in the NFL since 2001, CP. Give the guy a break and let him do his job and maybe the rest of us should get back to ours, assuming you have one.

Posted by: AcePhoenix77 | September 2, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The fan love for Mason is kind of funny. He's not a special teams player AND he has trouble picking up the blitz when he's in the backfield. Oh and at best he'd be the 3rd string RB. As Danny Smith said "Why do you suppose he's been on 3 NFL teams and never taken a snap?" I get it that he's a very nice runner with great vision according to Brian Mitchell, but if you aren't good at ST and can't pick up the blitz then your running ability is kind of moot.

Alridge at least offers blazing speed and the possibility of upgrading the punt and KO returns and coverage teams.

Posted by: thinker11 | September 2, 2009 3:26 PM

Thinker11, the kid is having the wash from last year hit him this year about the blocking. Review the tapes from the past three Preseason games and he has done a good job blocking. Did he give up a sack? no.... Did he get the QB hit? no..... People are now just jocking on last year information. If he was so bad why did he enter with the first team goal line and back up CP when Betts was available when they are playing against a Super Bowl contender defense. The media don't know jack....

Posted by: thebanker21 | September 2, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

banker21,

He was on the goaline because he is a good runner and the team wanted to see what he could do. I don't dispute that. The quote I used was from the Skins ST coach not the media. If he was a good ST player, I would guess that the ST coach would have stuck up for him not buried him. I wouldn't trust Danny Smith to say who's a better runner but I would guess that he's in a better position than anyone on this board to say whether he's a coveted ST player. Your 3rd or 4th RB HAS to be a ST stud because otherwise what's the point? And I don't imagine politics has anything to do with it because ST is mostly the 2nd stringers anyway. If he was a great gunner or a good returner I would bet the ranch that he would be on the team no questions asked.

As far as blocking in the backfield, I don't think he's being graded on whether he gave up a hit or a sack but his technique and whether he made the correct read and went after the correct player. From what I've read it is the Skins coaches that have said that he made several mistakes in blocking. Even on the JC run for a TD Mason was advantaged by the fact that the Dlineman gave up the outside edge with his inside rush and Mason sealed him for long enough for JC to get around the corner. Not a mistake by Mason but it was a mistake by the defensive player that Mason took advantage of. Portis may be the best RB in the NFL at picking up blitzes - he simply blows up his guy - and that is a tough standard to meet. But as Danny Smith said - If he's so great why have the Skins, Ravens and Jets never played him a down and cut him multiple times?

Posted by: thinker11 | September 2, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Now I agree with a lot of these comments but we all must wake up and realize who we are fans of THE REDSKINS. We all know that unfortunately Betts will not be cut and we will have to deal with another year of lack of production from him. Also we must come to the conclusion that Alridge is their man and he always has been. Its obviously they feel like he has great speed and even made a bold statement by comparing him to Darren Sproles. So lets all not be naive and just think about the skins over the last few years they never go with the right person for this offense hopefully they prove me wrong this year.

Posted by: Tom_square | September 2, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Don't sweat Barno. His hard on is the size of the wash monument.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 2, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

thanks for noticing Chrissy.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Here's 3- can't wait to hear the argument that Portis is better then any of them. Opposing defenses do not worry about Portis.

1. Adrian Peterson, Minnesota
2. Michael Turner, Atlanta
3. DeAngelo Williams, Carolina


Posted by: richard_cranium | September 2, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

You really don't understand the term all around back do you? I'm referring to RBs that can block, catch out of the backfield, and run. You just sorted by rushing yards.

Ap is by far the best downhill runner in the league and that's about all he does. He can not block, or catch out of the backfield and he fumbles a lot.

Turner looked really good last year but he really is playing against weak competition. He had the most attempts in the NFL and only averaged a little ahead of Cp. He has issues blocking as well. He does not catch out of the backfield either.

Deangelo can't block or catch out of the backfield either.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

As far as blocking in the backfield, I don't think he's being graded on whether he gave up a hit or a sack but his technique and whether he made the correct read and went after the correct player. From what I've read it is the Skins coaches that have said that he made several mistakes in blocking. Even on the JC run for a TD Mason was advantaged by the fact that the Dlineman gave up the outside edge with his inside rush and Mason sealed him for long enough for JC to get around the corner. Not a mistake by Mason but it was a mistake by the defensive player that Mason took advantage of. Portis may be the best RB in the NFL at picking up blitzes - he simply blows up his guy - and that is a tough standard to meet. But as Danny Smith said - If he's so great why have the Skins, Ravens and Jets never played him a down and cut him multiple times?

Posted by: thinker11

I don't think there is any answer to that question Think11, but to state thee obvious he is a pretty good back no question. I will say this, I was an intern for CSN and at the games the guy looked amazing; even in camp. I remember Clinton Portis, gave the guy respect and see he believe he would be a pretty good back in the league after an afternoon practice. But Thinker11 I agree that this guy is no special teams guy, but he fights for every inch and runs harder than any running back on the team excluding Portis. The best Scenario is for them to put Alridge on the practice squad, cut Cartwright and get rid of betts next year because their obviously planning on keeping one of the veteran backs.

Posted by: Tom_square | September 2, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh yea and keep mason

Posted by: Tom_square | September 2, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

As much as I think we need a younger change of pace type back I think Rock should stay at #3 for a time who is a big offensive ? a the skins special teams can play a important role an besides the player behind CP and LB would et vey little time any way.

Posted by: Deadfish | September 2, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Keep Mason and/or Aldridge, I'd like to be done with the same ole same ole and keep both.

As far as someone concerned about Aldridge being 175, if Sproles can do it, Aldridge can too, remember he's not going to take a pounding from 20+ carries a game, at the most maybe 10?, plus this guy has heart, and runs not only fast, but HARD. Has great vision and elusiveness. We haven't had someone like him in a long time.

For the longest time all we've had was slow and steady, character, "core Redskin", great locker room guy, hard offseason worker,etc.etc.. That's all well and good, but for many seasons now it hasn't won us many ballgames.

Portis, Betts, Cartwright= same ole same ole. Who the hell is going to fear that trio? Nobody.

Like other teams we need to get younger and faster. This team plays the "loyalty" card too much.

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 2, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

This team plays the "loyalty" card too much.

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 2, 2009 6:12 PM

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Jon Jansen begs to differ.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 2, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

ummm Marcus Mason?? i just hate betts as the third down back and goal line...he always gets tripped up, stuffed or something not good. Skins need to pick up that boy Mason..hes a stud and would be a great compliment to portis..

Posted by: mrhney03 | September 2, 2009 1:24 PM
Weighing in on the RB issue. The thing I like about Mason is his explosiveness to the hole. He's the surest short yardage back we've had since Terry Allen, somebody you can count on to punch it in from the one or two. As much as I still like Betts as a back up to Portis, he just doesn't do this nor is he anything special as a 3rd down back. If Aldrige or Dorsey (wish they would throw more to them to evaluate their 3rd down back potential) can be counted on to equal Rock in returning kicks, I'd agree we could let him go, as long as we wont lose anything on coverage. We CANNOT afford to lose anything on our coverage teams.

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 2, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

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