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Why Zorn Prefers to Limit the Shotgun

After a Week 1 loss to the New York Giants last season, quarterback Jason Campbell said he was more comfortable working in the shotgun.

Coach Jim Zorn permitted Campbell to operate out of the formation probably more than Zorn preferred because the shotgun eliminates many options on offense. "I think he plays well in the 'gun," Zorn said of Campbell. "He's a tall guy. It's immediate pass protection right at the snap.

"We are more in the 'gun, even on second down now, than we ever have been. And Jason is comfortable."

On the other hand, you can't operate in the 'gun exclusively and run a West Coast offense. Even a modified West Coast offense, Zorn said.

"Not if we want to be deceptive with draws. Not if we want to be deceptive on third downs to run the ball, either."

By Jason Reid  |  September 16, 2009; 8:15 PM ET
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First to say the Skins cover this weekend...

Posted by: saltine182 | September 16, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

please dont tell me im first

Posted by: jasonbrown20 | September 16, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

First to say let's use Machine Gun Kelly more.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

FIRST to say Zorn is too committed to his "system" to tailor it to his "talent".

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 16, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

"Not if we want to be deceptive with draws. Not if we want to be deceptive on third downs to run the ball, either." Zorn

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Yeah, the skins are pretty deceptive right now. All of us fans were deceived after preseason.

This team is set up to run an offense like the Pats run more so than a WCO at this point. I say run an offense that fits your players instead of trying to fit a round peg into a square hole.

And, I do not think that the Pats have trouble running the ball.

Use the shotgun already!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 16, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

First to say the Skins cover this weekend...

Posted by: saltine182
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What's the spread, cracker?

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES

Once again, in 2009, brought to you by the fine purple people at Yahoo!

Oh what a conundrum we are in. So, how does this team move forward? Simple. From now to whenever the BYE is, throw the ball 40+ times a game. Campbell's got 3 receivers he knows and 1 new guy who needs the work. Line Jason up in the shotgun. A lot. This WCO offense designed by Zorn doesn't look like much, so look at what works with our talent.

We play a bunch of modest defenses and if Campbell is going to take the proverbial next step, this is the window of opportunity. Its also step up time for Malcolm Kelly and Stephon Heyer.

Throw 40 times vs the jints or iggles and you better have the primo-ist medical plan there is. But throw 40 times vs the Rams and Lions and you might get 6 TDs.

Heck, 15-20 times a game, my only RB would be Sellers, in there for pass protection. Campbell isn't overly mistake prone, so I don't worry much about a huge jump in INTs.

The next several games are an opportunity for the defense to shine brightly. I'm talking radioactive brightly. Vinny didn't use a single pick on an offensive player until round 7 of the draft, plus he gave one of the richest contracts ever to Albert. Success in 2009 was always going to be about defense.

So, you say, what about our identity as a running team? Yeah well, give it a rest. At least until November.

Our formula for success? Pass from the shotgun, keep a back in to protect Campbell, let the defense dominate and keep Portis fresh for the stretch run.

And that's it for this week's ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES brought to you by Yahoo! finest.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 16, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

West Coast offense, so that is what it is.

Posted by: jmy999 | September 16, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, agree, the next two, perhaps three games line up to be the preseason that the Skins 1st stringers never had.

They need to show marked improvement over the next two - three weeks or the last three quarters will be looooong.

This is also Zorn's time to show that his is not what most on RI think he is!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 16, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I'm so glad we signed that former Giants QB, Andre. He really helped us figure out how to shut down their O didn't he? On the other hand, what if he showed us and that was the best we could do? Ughh!!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 16, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Could I be on a more different page than Jim Zorn?

Zorn wants options, I want what works. Greg Blache needs to pull Zorn aside and TELL Zorn to start looking at what works, not what he'd would like to work.

Zorn's best coaching in 2008 came between week 1 and week 2 when he adapted his play selection to the talent. He darn well better do that in 2009 or he won't have the option of doing it in 2010.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 16, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Ah Coach Zorn? You'll be in the shotgun most of these games because you are behind unless you do something to get some blocking for Campbell. That is why he is "more comfortable" now isn't it?

Put Davis in at tight end. The guy supposedly is a huge blocker, at least he was in college. Alternate Cooley and ARE if necessary. In point-of-fact maybe you should be alternating all the receivers including Moss? Clearly something needs to be done?

If you want the guy under center you've got to be able to block for him.

Posted by: periculum | September 16, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Xorn,

You are not deceptive with anything, give it up. Just call plays "in your face style" You do not, I repeat do not fool anyone with your playcalling whether in the shotgun or the shotglass!!

"Coach Jim Zorn permitted Campbell to operate out of the formation probably more than Zorn preferred because the shotgun eliminates many options on offense"

Xorn, what options are you referring to exactly? Are taking your medications? Have you seen Redskins offense sine midseason last year?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 16, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

What other head coach sits down with the media every day and talks about his strategy going into the next game? No wonder opponents have our number.

The best trickeration for the remainder of the season would be to engage in some non-speak like Gibbs used to do.

The more he talks, the more he becomes a facsimile of a coach.

Posted by: Xlnt | September 16, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

A tip of the helmet to the best Illinois Nazi ever to grace the screen. Henry Gibson, from your Laugh-In days til the end, you were fun to watch.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 16, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

You're saying he's just faxing in the games?

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

to be deceptive you have to be able to do some basic things well. If you can run the ball and have a legitimate passing game then deception works.....until then deception is just desperation and that's the way it looks right now!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 16, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

The more he talks the goofier he appears and less and less like someone who should be a head football coach......maybe a head Sherpa or head pot smoker but when he talks you don't get the same warm fuzzies about him being a football guy or a leader of men like say a Mike Tomlin.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 16, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Run. I notice the operative word with ZORN is run. "...draws..., ...third down RUNS..." It's enough to give a fan the "runs."

When the blockers are getting long in the tooth and are not particularly adept at run-blocking, and the backs are all heavy-legged and aging, who wants to hear run? I thought the rules changes over the past decade were designed to open up the game for the pass. I thought CERRATO drafted three receivers and a guard last year because he considered it important. Of course, look who he got. Maybe there's a significant reason behind ZORN's dogged determination to stick with the - RUN.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 16, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

The more he talks the goofier he appears... maybe a head Sherpa or head pot smoker...

Posted by: zjfr2
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So he's WCO without the O.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

This ain't no WCO....It's more of a Spread offense...

Look at NE and Seattle....

Spread is the new WCO....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 16, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

The moment he strings together a 12-4 season, his goofiness won't be an issue.

Just win, baby.

Posted by: daggar | September 16, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

What's the spread, cracker?

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 8:20 PM

It opened at Skins -10, not sure where it is now. Home field advantage isn't getting as much love league wide, def. not for the Skins, I think we were 4-4 last year.

Take a look at the Rams defense and other than Atogwe, Long, Carriker, possibly Tiniasoumouiaioa, and a washed up Leanord Little, I don't see too much.

Good thing is their offense might be in worse shape. O-line could be frisky though. I don't think Jason Smith is starting, could be wrong, but they've invested there atleast with Alex Barron, Jason Brown, Smith, and Richie Incognito.

Posted by: saltine182 | September 16, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

No OC. No WCO.
HC in training preaches MEDIUM. MEDIUM does not win games at this level.

Hate to say this but 7-9 looking very optimistic (sp?) right now.

I hope that I am completely wrong.

GO SKINS

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | September 16, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

The moment he strings together a 12-4 season, his goofiness won't be an issue.

Just win, baby.

Posted by: daggar | September 16, 2009 9:00 PM |

Welcome, first time poster. You're obviously new around here or you would never have written this. 12-4 season? RI's take: "He would have gone 14-2 if he wasn't so goofy."

Please post again, soon, first time poster. We're always glad to get a "fresh" viewpoint up here.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 16, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

His draws are not deceptive. Come on jz, stop kidding yourself!

Posted by: AdamCr | September 16, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

"Not if we want to be deceptive with draws. Not if we want to be deceptive on third downs to run the ball, either."

Yea, deceptive running the ball on third down, since that worked out so well for us in Game 1.

3rd and 8, we'll run the ball left. Even though we gained 2 combine yards on first and second, since we're not in the shotgun, we will deceive them. Brilliant!!!

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | September 16, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

This is my first post since the regular season, and I wasn't surprised we lost, I didn't pencil in a win on my schedule for this game, that said:

Do we have to always run to the left?

After Portis's 34 yard run(he probably would have scored on that a couple of years ago)the trick play w/ARE was a dumb momentum killer play.

We need to rotate and use all of our WR's, just like the Giants did and USE them.

Did Orakpo play in the game Sunday?(I think he may have got one tackle?)

Of course, JC needs to make quicker and better decisions.

Sure wish we had a change of pace back, use Mason some.(say what you will, but Portis looks to be on the downside, and Betts is well, average).

The DB's need to play closer to the line of scrimmage and tackle better.

This was the first game against one of the best, no need to get out of shape, we can rebound this week come out and bust the Rams in the mouth and be 1-1 around 4 something Sunday afternoon. COME ON SKINS MAN UP AND GET IT DONE.

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 16, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

The Smarter Stats thing on the League says Clinton Portis led the NFL with 38 draws last season (I think he means out of the shotgun).

But the Redskins didn't rank among the 5 most effective teams at it.

http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/smarterstats/2009/09/smarter-stats-covering-the-spread-shotgun.html

-- Keith

Posted by: KeithMcMillan | September 16, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Jus got news that Kanye West interrupted Patrick Swayze's funeral to proclaim Michael Jacksons funeral the best of the year..

Posted by: Vicc | September 16, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Jus got news that Kanye West interrupted Patrick Swayze's funeral to proclaim Michael Jacksons funeral the best of the year..

Posted by: Vicc | September 16, 2009 9:42 PM

LOL

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 16, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

WHY I HATE MIKE TIRRICO:

When they continously talk about Brady coming back from his knee injury, they keep saying in their broadcast that it has been '53 weeks since he has played'. CONTINOUSLY. It's coming back to me watching NFL Replay....WHY NOT JUST SAY ONE YEAR?!?!??! WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE SOOOOOO FREAKIN EXACT?!?!?

I hate geeks. And Torrico is one of them...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 16, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Um, the Eagles run the west coast and I see McNabb in the gun plenty. F Zorn. He is starting to sound more and more arrogant about his system like Gregg Williams. Except he hasn't accomplished anything. I will jam my system down your throat, victories be damned. Moron.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 16, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Jus got news that Kanye West interrupted Patrick Swayze's funeral to proclaim Michael Jacksons funeral the best of the year..

Posted by: Vicc | September 16, 2009 9:42 PM

YOU LIE!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 16, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Other teams use 3 RB's in the game, 5 receivers in the game, can't we do the same?

Why can't Devin Thomas who has speed(Rock doesn't)return some kicks? Can we find an up the field punt returner?

This team has some youth but JZ refuses to use it, it's too much of the same ole same ole for me, and probably to the delight of other teams. Also like others of you have said, this coach seems determined to have players fit HIS wco, or whatever the hel# it is, instead of refining a system to fit the talent(youth) that he has.

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 16, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Other teams use 3 RB's in the game, 5 receivers in the game, can't we do the same?

Why can't Devin Thomas who has speed(Rock doesn't)return some kicks? Can we find an up the field punt returner?

This team has some youth but JZ refuses to use it, it's too much of the same ole same ole for me, and probably to the delight of other teams. Also like others of you have said, this coach seems determined to have players fit HIS wco, or whatever the hel# it is, instead of refining a system to fit the talent(youth) that he has.

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 16, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Jus got news that Kanye West interrupted Patrick Swayze's funeral to proclaim Michael Jacksons funeral the best of the year..

Posted by: Vicc | September 16, 2009 9:42 PM

Sorry Vicc, that was on everyone's facebook news feeds all day long.

Moving on

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | September 16, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I am confused. Is it me or does he contracdict himself a lot. Is he against amking his players comforatable or planning for their current talents? KBTrizz - shout out!
I hope he is saying is will establish a power version of the WCO with stong physical running backs and Big Receivers?
Is Zorn establishing an Identity?
I will go higher than 10 points on the spread. I will go 13 and that is all. Spags know too many of the tendencies of the skins and Zorn. Skins have to be prepared to win.

Posted by: zariah | September 16, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

m1ke3i6,

Sorry. Not everyone, including myself owns a facebook account. I sign up today..(insert: Happy Gilmore farting noise while giving you a thumbs down)

Posted by: Vicc | September 16, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

The wide receiver screen to Moss down near the goal line was about as dumb a play as could have been called, in my opinion.

I had forgot about that.

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 16, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Spags know too many of the tendencies of the skins and Zorn.
Posted by: zariah | September 16, 2009 9:52 PM


So did Andre Woodson... excellent pickup by Cerrato. How quickly is he shuttled out of here?

Posted by: saltine182 | September 16, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, 72, that call was brutal... I hate that WR screen when we run it with 60 yards of "open field" in front of us, so I was incensed to see it called down in that close... no room, no friggin' chance. Ugh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 16, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Kidding Vicc, sorry meant to sound more sarcastic..... my b bosss

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | September 16, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

To tell you the truth, I don't want to see one wide receiver screen at all this week, throw the dam ball down the field to Malcom Kelly and Devin Thomas and Marko Mitchell can we use these young players and see what they can do? Run Mason some. They can't develop and progress and gain confidence if they are not involved in the game and used. We have more offensive players other than Portis, Cooley, Moss, and ARE.

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 16, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for looking into this Jason, but I still want to know why in the heck Zorn didn't use it when he emptied the backfield?

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 16, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Should be obvious both CAMPBELL and ZORN are feeling the heat, and playing not to lose. It's like the "nickel" defense, it sucks the big weenie.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 16, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

72,

I think you must have forgot the 3rd and 8 play that SOUPS check off to a run to the right.....

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 16, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

WHY I HATE MIKE TIRRICO:

When they continously talk about Brady coming back from his knee injury, they keep saying in their broadcast that it has been '53 weeks since he has played'. CONTINOUSLY. It's coming back to me watching NFL Replay....WHY NOT JUST SAY ONE YEAR?!?!??! WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE SOOOOOO FREAKIN EXACT?!?!?

I hate geeks. And Torrico is one of them...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 16, 2009 9:48 PM


It's Tirico. Not Tirrico. Or Torrico.

=D

Posted by: freakzilla | September 16, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

To tell you the truth, I don't want to see one wide receiver screen at all this week, throw the dam ball down the field to Malcom Kelly and Devin Thomas and Marko Mitchell can we use these young players and see what they can do? Run Mason some. They can't develop and progress and gain confidence if they are not involved in the game and used. We have more offensive players other than Portis, Cooley, Moss, and ARE.

Posted by: 72Redskins

I agree Talbert we need to get younger everywhere because in every game it seems we are the slower team on both sides of the ball. The only trouble is are these young guys bustin' it to get open?

Posted by: joeboggs | September 16, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Pocket awareness,is absent in Jason's game.I believe he may be destined for clipboredome due to that one absent trait in his game.

Posted by: mark65 | September 16, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

The wide receiver screen to Moss down near the goal line was about as dumb a play as could have been called, in my opinion.

I had forgot about that.

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 16, 2009 9:57 PM

YES YES YES who the f calls that play in that position?????

Posted by: toohoes | September 16, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Pocket awareness,is absent in Jason's game.I believe he may be destined for clipboredome due to that one absent trait in his game.

Posted by: mark65 | September 16, 2009 10:40 PM |

J.C. is lacking pressence big time, It's hard to watch him even when he does step up he throws a 4 yard pass to the middle of the field, FRUSTRATING!

Posted by: joeboggs | September 16, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Having seen one rookie -- with real talent -- disappear for large segments of last week's game (yes, I mean you Brian), I hesitate to put the Kelly-Mitchell-Mason triumvirate into action.
One at a time, occasional reps, see if they can figure out what game speed really is.

Posted by: daggar | September 16, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

The QB is more comfortable in the "shotgun" formation, but the Coach doesn't like the shotgun...wait..doesn't that make the QB unfit for the Coach's system?? Obviously the QB hasn't, or won't, adapt to the Coach, and the Coach won't adapt his system to fit the QB, so...Oh, never mind. I need one of those air-sickness bags.

Posted by: scmonty1 | September 16, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

4th, hatin' on Mike Tirico? Man, what did Wonder Bread ever do to you?

I don't really get the whole analysis of announcers thing. Frank Herzog was great because of "Touchdown, Washington Redskins". Beyond that, if you get down+distance right most of the time (or just occasionally if you're Mike Patrick), then you're good to go.

Sorry, Bryant Gumbel did not make it over even that low threshold.

Posted by: daggar | September 16, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zen is a great head coach.

He just needs time to develop.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 16, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

If we lose to the rams I may jump off that bridge that Blache referred to last sunday.

Posted by: mark65 | September 16, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Chase Daniel had functional mobility,this is something that cant be coached.We may regret not signing this guy one day.

Posted by: mark65 | September 16, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by 4thFloor 118 minutes 27 seconds ago...

WHY I HATE MIKE TIRRICO:

When they continously talk about Brady coming back from his knee injury, they keep saying in their broadcast that it has been '53 weeks since he has played'. CONTINOUSLY. It's coming back to me watching NFL Replay....WHY NOT JUST SAY ONE YEAR?!?!??! WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE SOOOOOO FREAKIN EXACT?!?!?

I hate geeks. And Torrico is one of them...

-------------------------------------------

I'm sure you not going to admit this, but Dude, you need to get laid quick, cause you're 2 frickin uptight.

Posted by: akjproductions | September 16, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

1. The media thinks Zorn is a stand up guy, telling them the truth.

2. Zorn told the media the option play to ARE was a solid call

3. Zorn told the media he doesn't like using the shotgun too much, even though it has been our most productive formation (and it was in last year's opener as well).

I don't mind if Zorn is playing with the media. Bit if he really believes that the ARE call was smart and that he's using the shotgun too much, then just fire him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 16, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Hated the ARE option play call.

Had less issue with the Moss screen pass. Getting the ball into the hands of your quickest player near the goal line is worth doing. It didn't work because the jints simply defensed that well.

Of note, the Skins seemed to break (or avoid) very few tackles all game. ARE, in his 30+ yard play that got us 1st and goal, had 1 guy to beat in the open field and was tackled. In contrast, the jints WR broke 3 tackles along the sidelines, 2 of which were mediocre efforts (Smoot, Hall -- Carter's diving attempt was a good effort).

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 17, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Of course, look who he got. Maybe there's a significant reason behind ZORN's dogged determination to stick with the - RUN.

Finally, finally getting down to the nitty gritty are we? West Coast is not about running on first and second down now is it? So, why we ask is Zorn doing that? CLINTON PORTIS, HIGHEST PAID, BIGGEST PRIMADONNA AND IN OWNER'S SPECIAL CREW.

Biggest mistake Gibbs ever made: getting Clinton Portis in exchange for Champ Bailey. And they even gave Denver draft picks!!!

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Having seen one rookie -- with real talent -- disappear for large segments of last week's game (yes, I mean you Brian), I hesitate to put the Kelly-Mitchell-Mason triumvirate into action.

The Bills did it. Look at their offensive line! And they should have won that game, and would have if not for franchise QB Tom Brady. So, what's up with this team? If a team is run like a nightmare from a dilbert comic strip ... well what do you expect?

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Zorn==Dilbert.
TheDanny==Dilbert's Boss.

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Jim Zen is a great head coach.

He just needs time to develop.

Posted by: Chia_Pet
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do you want a "developing" pilot fly your plane?
yes and no. If he has the right strategy, time may be needed to excel. Xorn has strategy issues. I hope he fixes it soon

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 17, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

do you want a "developing" pilot fly your plane?
yes and no. If he has the right strategy, time may be needed to excel. Xorn has strategy issues. I hope he fixes it soon

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 17, 2009

But you often have a "rookie surgeon" [called surgical fellows/] doing operations under the guidance of their professor and chief of surgery?

Zorn has Blache, Bugel and others.

Instead think about what would happen to you if you had a medical insurance executive or operative in the operating room with you? Eh?

That would be Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato. In other words: Snyderato.

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Would like to see the following starting line-up against the Rams Sunday:


DT CS DD CR RT SH CC MK MM


CP
JC


I think this would give the Rams some trouble. And I would find a way to keep MMason active to get some playing time.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 17, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

I like that, Curzon. It's insane, but I like it.

The Rams will be flabbergasted when we snap the ball to Clinton and he hands off to Soup.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 17, 2009 1:17 AM | Report abuse

lol nate. I was thinking shotgun with CP to the left of JC, Just did not come out quite the same once I hit submit.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 17, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Campbell's last year in DC? 12:33PM ET

The Washington Redskins gave just about everything they've got to try and land another starting QB this offseason. They were heavily involved in the Jay Cutler discussions, and tried to trade up to draft Mark Sanchez.

Still, Jason Campbell entered training camp ready for a big season, to prove the Redskins brass wrong and possibly to audition for a new team in 2010.

While Week One didn't go so well, NFL Insider Adam Schefter urges caution to 'Skins fans who are already calling for Campbell's ouster. He does remind us that "he has a lot on the line this year -- it's the last year of his contract. So if Campbell doesn't get it done this year, you'll get your wish next year -- for sure."

It's not like the free agent pool is brimming with talent, either.

Matt Mosley:

Campbell's not looking back

"I think Campbell needs to stop paying attention to what folks are saying about him and the team. The only way he can change the conversation is to go out and dominate all the bad teams coming up on the schedule."

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2009 1:28 AM | Report abuse

It pains me to say it but we have a dumb team. SOS,I'm tired of seeing poor clock management, burning timeouts only to come out with a negative play after calling it. something as simple as clock mgmt is still a major issue since Gibbs II era. Need to start all over.

Posted by: bhoang888 | September 17, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Under the heading of guys we should and could have drafted instead.

Promotion for Oher? 8:44AM ET Michael Oher

After "kicking some serious hind parts" on Sunday, according to the Baltimore Sun's Mike Preston, rookie offensive lineman Michael Oher might soon be moved from right tackle to left tackle for the Baltimore Ravens.

Mentioning that Oher "has some of the quickest feet I've ever seen from an offensive lineman," Preston indicates that the team might make the move if current left tackle Jared Gaither continues to struggle.

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2009 1:31 AM | Report abuse

After breaking down film of both teams, Scouts Inc. offers 10 things to watch in this week's Rams-Redskins matchup.

Prediction: Redskins 27, Rams 16

1. Finding Santana Moss: Where was the Redskins' No. 1 wide receiver in last week's loss to the New York Giants as he was held to two receptions for six yards? On tape it looks as if they were trying to get him on too many vertical routes. In theory that is good because of his speed, but this offensive line is struggling in pass protection. Look for the Redskins to get him the ball this week on a few bubble screens early to allow him to get the ball in his hands and make a play.

2. Pressure QB Marc Bulger: Washington spent a lot of money this offseason upgrading its defensive front, but against the Giants the Redskins had only one sack and two QB hits. Bulger has taken a lot of hits over the past few years and Seattle rattled him in Week 1. If the Redskins can't get there with four (as they couldn't last week), they will have to bring blitz pressure early.

3. Rams screen game: Even though the Rams were able to get Steven Jackson some solid touches in the run game last week (16 carries for 67 yards), he had zero receptions. Jackson is an excellent player in space and the Redskins do not tackle well in the open field. Look for the Rams to get the ball to Jackson via the screen and or swing passes to increase their best playmaker's touches.

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse

4. Rams blitz pressures: New coach Steve Spagnuolo brought the same defense he ran in New York with him, which means a lot of exotic blitzes. Spagnuolo also knows QB Jason Campbell well from his days with the Giants, so he knows how to get him rattled. Look for the Rams to mix up their inside and outside blitz pressures this week in an attempt to confuse Campbell, who is still struggling in the Redskins' West Coast offense.

5. Matchup to watch: St Louis MLB James Laurinaitis vs. Washington RB Clinton Portis: Laurinaitis led all rookies with 15 tackles last week. He shows very good speed and range and did a much better job in Week 1 of taking on and getting off blockers. Portis makes the Washington offense go. They need to get him going early to set up their play-action passing game, but that will be tough with Laurinaitis shadowing him all over the field.

6. TE Chris Cooley needs a solid day: With the Rams going to more of an attacking style of defense, they were vulnerable last week in coverage, especially trying to lock down Seattle TE John Carlson, who had a huge day. Cooley is a versatile TE who can move all over the field, so look for the Redskins to give the Rams a good dose of Cooley aligned in different spots along the field and in motion.

7. Washington run blitzes: St. Louis surprisingly threw the ball quite a bit on first down last week and had too many incompletions putting them in second and 10. They will run the ball early this week, but look for Washington to counter by run-blitzing to stack up Jackson in the hole.

8. Play-action sets up Avery: The Rams must be able to run the ball early to set up play action. Play action is an effective tool within the offense that allows them to get the ball to WR Donnie Avery in the vertical passing game. That can't happen if Jackson is not effective early in the game.

9. Atowege's versatility: Oshiomogho Atogwe is one of the best young safeties in the NFL whom people don't talk about. He has great quickness, speed and range. More important, they can move him all over the field. Look for him to continue to have a big impact as he gets acclimated to Spagnuolo's defensive system.

Matchup to watch: Washington MLB London Fletcher vs. Jackson: Fletcher is coming off an 18-tackle game last week. While he is excellent against the run, he does struggle at times in coverage, and this is where the Rams will looked to create a mismatch in this matchup.

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2009 1:39 AM | Report abuse

How I See It: NFC East Stock Watch
September 15, 2009

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

ยป NFC Stock Watch: East

Falling
Haynesworth


1. Albert Haynesworth, Redskins DT:

Sorry, but when you make $41 million guaranteed, one tackle for a loss doesn't cut it. Haynesworth is supposed to be a disruptive force in the middle of the defense but for the most part, Giants guard Rich Seubert did a nice job on him. I just kept watching Haynesworth limp off the field. Not a great debut.

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2009 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Something to digest when you awaken ... night all.

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2009 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Just to recap. VERY FIRST week at a position that is often difficult to master, for a ranked, playoff contender: Oher does extremely well at right tackle.

Where was Brian Orapko, the beast?

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2009 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Nothing more deceptive than running the ball on 3rd and 8, in your own territory.

Good Point. We'd never want to give up that element of surprise. OK, I'm sold on this. I really behind this.

I mean, why give up the sneaky 3rd down draw, just to improve your stupid passing game and pass protection?

See, that's why YOU'RE not Head Coach! You probably have your priorities reversed.

I'm worried we might actually have a Genius for a Head Coach.

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 17, 2009 2:26 AM | Report abuse


"Coach Jim Zorn permitted Campbell to operate out of the formation probably more than Zorn preferred because the shotgun eliminates many options on offense." --RI The Mayor

Yeah, it's RUINED the offense of New England and the Colts.

Posted by: TheCork | September 17, 2009 2:58 AM | Report abuse

Throw 40 times vs the jints or iggles and you better have the primo-ist medical plan there is. But throw 40 times vs the Rams and Lions and you might get 6 TDs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 16, 2009 8:21 PM


6 TDs? In one game or the two combined?

I'd take a 3-0 win at this point...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 17, 2009 5:21 AM | Report abuse

Just to recap. VERY FIRST week at a position that is often difficult to master, for a ranked, playoff contender: Oher does extremely well at right tackle.

Where was Brian Orapko, the beast?

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2009 1:48 AM


Orakpo was playing in a two point stance off the line of scrimmage. Which everyone but T_E knows isn't where he's best utilized. He may get LB down pat, but he won't have the same impact there that he would at DE.

In my mind, Orakpo or Oher would have fit nicely. I would have been happy with either pick. If used properly, I think Orakpo will be the better player though.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 17, 2009 5:48 AM | Report abuse

Why Zorn Prefers to Limit the Shotgun

By Jason Reid | September 16, 2009; 8:15 PM ET


Because he wants to be back in Seattle as a QB coach.

Next question...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 17, 2009 5:58 AM | Report abuse

Damn, I'm bored...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 17, 2009 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Good morning Brown sorry your bored.

The Pats run out of shotgun all the time, it can be done.

Zorn needs to stop worrying about his WCO, and play to the strengths of his players or it's by by time.

We should kill the Rams and Lions not just beat them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 17, 2009 6:26 AM | Report abuse

The O has so many problems that blaming just JC or JZ is naive. Cooley won't run away from anyone. Moss is slower as is CP. ARE did look better in the slot, but he didn't run away from anyone either, was caught from behind. Betts, molasses comes to mind, DT, MK, and MM are unknown as thay can't seem to get a ball thrown to them or get on the field. Team speed is pathetically slow. JC must learn to throw into tight coverag, it is that way in the big boy league. JZ must know he has to adapt his system or he's gone. The end reault of all this si another year of mediocrity for us fans.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 17, 2009 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Flounder. It's all good.

But you're right, Zorn is making excuses. There are teams all throughout the NFL that run the shotgun and do it well. And believe it or not, you CAN run draw plays out of that formation.

Ultimately, that's why I think Zorn is done. He comes across as rigid and unable to adjust to what defenses are doing. I'm always leery of a coach that tries to run "his system" whether it's working or not and doesn't cater what he does and how he does it to the personnel he has. Some up here don't give Mike Tomlin his props, but dude came from a Tampa-2 background and didn't change the Steelers' 3-4 scheme just because it wasn't "his system". Sometimes "system" gets you unemployed in a hurry.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 17, 2009 6:37 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 17, 2009 6:43 AM | Report abuse

Cooley won't run away from anyone. Moss is slower as is CP. ARE did look better in the slot, but he didn't run away from anyone either, was caught from behind. Betts, molasses comes to mind, DT, MK, and MM are unknown as thay can't seem to get a ball thrown to them or get on the field. Team speed is pathetically slow.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 17, 2009 6:37 AM


Dude, what are you even talking about? Moss slow? That's ridiculous. Even still, the fastest guys doesn't equate to the best. I'll take a guy that can get open over a guy that runs a 4.2 40 every day of the week and twice on Sunday. By your logic, Darrius Heyward-Bey is better than Marques Colston and we both know that's not true.

This team needs a steady and dependable line. Then go from there.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 17, 2009 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Zorn def needs to adapt his offense. This is the team he has and they look better with a hurry-up or in the gun. Optimistically the skins the have great personnel to run the spread. Put Davis in to block and have Cooley/ARE in the slot with Moss and Thomas/Kelly out wide. Assuming Thomas/Kelly/Davis are good enough to be on an NFL field. I wonder about their ability to run from the gun, Portis just seems so happy to get downhill, they need a change of pace back like Sproles, rather than Betts who brings alot of the same things that Portis does. But lookin at the schedule they can should go 4-1 to 5-0 against their upcoming sched if they can score 21-24 pts a game

Posted by: mCowans | September 17, 2009 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Coach Zeron has already dumbed down the O-feces playbook too much to account for JC's obvious shortcomings... including an demonstrated inability to read defenses, check down to secondary receivers, throw with any degree of accuracy for more than 10 yards, manage the clock, audible into a more advantageous play call, hang onto to the football, avoid tripping over his own linemen, finding a comfort zone within the pocket, avoiding onrushing defensive linemen, etc., etc., ad nauseum. If Zeron really wants to run the offensive schemes he envisions -- he needs to bench this worthless excuse for a QB and get someone out there who knows how to play some football.

Posted by: Vic1 | September 17, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

"Yeah, the skins are pretty deceptive right now. All of us fans were deceived after preseason.This team is set up to run an offense like the Pats run more so than a WCO at this point. Annd, I do not think that the Pats have trouble running the ball.Use the shotgun already!!Posted by: Curzon417"

Not sure I understand the point. They do use the shotgun. That's what the article is about. Zorn is just pointing out that it actually limits them offensively.

That's the reason the shotgun formation fell out of favor in the 60's after a brief time in the spotlight. You pretty much have to pass, which eliminates guesswork for the defense. An exception is some variant like the Wildcat, where you use a dual-threat at quarterback.

The Pats succeed because of their personnel more than playcalling. They execute beautifully.



Posted by: Samson151 | September 17, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"Coach Zeron has already dumbed down the O-feces playbook too much to account for JC's obvious shortcomings... including an demonstrated inability to read defenses, check down to secondary receivers, throw with any degree of accuracy for more than 10 yards, manage the clock, audible into a more advantageous play call, hang onto to the football, avoid tripping over his own linemen, finding a comfort zone within the pocket, avoiding onrushing defensive linemen, etc., etc., ad nauseum"

I don't see this point, either. Campbell uses a lot of the playbook, certainly in comparison with QBs like Flacco and Matt Ryan. He had a problem with pass pro last season that led them to avoid deep routes for lack of time, but that seems to have been rectified, at least a bit.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 17, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"Even still, the fastest guys doesn't equate to the best. I'll take a guy that can get open over a guy that runs a 4.2 40 every day of the week and twice on Sunday. By your logic, Darrius Heyward-Bey is better than Marques Colston and we both know that's not true. posted by brownwood"

This is a good argument. Speed alone is mainly a threat; once the defense realizes you can't hang onto the ball, it's not worth much. When you get a receiver who's fast and catches the ball -- like Randy Moss -- it's just devastating to the defense.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 17, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Jason,
Thanks for looking into this, but it still doesn't answer why he didn't use the gun with an empty backfield. How much more limiting can it be with no running backs?

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 17, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

WE should all make t shirts for the redksins offense and called them 3 AND OUT!!!! Zorn is a bum i said that last year and he hasnt changed my mind yet. he is out of his league as head coach he dont game plan well , bad clock managemnet, Bad personnel on the field at times, Stick to his play script when u down 2 touchdown that all equals disater

Posted by: chinngy23 | September 17, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Week 1 looked like the second half of 08. Frustrating to say the least. They were 6-2 at the halfway point and looking at least playoff worthy.
What the hell has happened!!!
They look lethargic. Zorn can't possibly open up the playbook correctly and use our weapons. We motor right down the field in the fourth quarter in the hurry up. How about trying that before garbage time.
Like most others here I bleed for this franchise but we are far from the perennial contenders we used to be.
If this team could just start scoring 28-35 points per game they are capable of and Campbell not give the opponents a quick 6 we would look a whole lot better.

Posted by: rredimarker72 | September 17, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

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