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Zorn Addresses His Job Security

I figured Coach Jim Zorn would face questions about the pressure on him as the season begins Sunday against the New York Giants at Giants Stadium.

At this point, anything less than a playoff appearance would figure to be a bad thing for Zorn's job security, given the buzz around the league that has owner Daniel Snyder eager to replace Zorn with former Denver Broncos Coach Mike Shanahan. [For more, see Barry Svrluga's story on Zorn.]

With that backdrop, Zorn was asked about the pressure that accompanies his position during a recent group interview session with reporters at Redskins Park.

"I don't necessarily have a statement to make about the pressure part of it," Zorn said. "We risk it all every single game, so I'm more excited than feeling pressure with going into the second season. This is what we've prepared for. Now we get to go express it all."

Zorn handled the question about as well as any second-year coach in his situation could. We all know about the Redskins' 2-6 second-half slide, 8-8 finish and another failure to make the playoffs. But for a guy who had never been a coordinator in the NFL until the Redskins hired him and was a rookie head coach, Zorn handled many things well.

Of course, no one is perfect. Zorn made mistakes in dealing with some veteran players, but the guy is open to learning and improving. While, obviously, it's Snyder's team and he can hire and fire whomever he wants, Zorn doesn't deserve to have all this stuff swirling as he tries to get the offense going.

I'm sure some of you out there may feel as if Snyder has been treated unfairly because he hasn't said anything about Zorn's status. But the handwriting is on the wall and Zorn knows how to read.

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By Jason Reid  |  September 12, 2009; 6:45 AM ET
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Comments

More interested in being the best than the first.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 12, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

don't worry you are still the best

Posted by: stivic | September 12, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Enough with the tri-annual coaching changes.

Let Zorn serve out his contract and hold him to one standard: gradual offensive production that equals winning.

F hope, let's keep Zorn alive.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 12, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

I do like his attitude this year and like that he is tied to JC, I think it gives both of them some common bond and let the play do the talking. my only fear is that during the season, if we go down by a few or up by a few that Zorn and JC start to channel their inner Gibbs and get conservative.... or we go down by 10 and JC just starts gunning because everytime we sputter he starts thinking I gotta win to save my job and get a contract.

If JZ and the skins don't go to at least to the 2nd rd of playoffs, we are out a coach, a QB and either way the roster gets sliced.. new qb, new coach, more line, cut some old guys like griffin, ARE, etc and we are in a worse place than this preseason..

I guess we will get a glimpse in less than 36 hours

Posted by: stivic | September 12, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Tom Boswell (who makes me wish I had a last name that lent itself to a cool nickname like Boz)

--Cindy Boren

What's wrong with Bore? Oh, yeah.

Well, Dauphine, he probably wishes he were known as the Dauphin.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 7:37 AM | Report abuse

"If JZ and the skins don't go to at least to the 2nd rd of playoffs, we are out a coach, a QB and either way the roster gets sliced..."


I feelya, bro'.

Thing is, you have to hope some wise ol' head steps into the arena and tells ownership that no matter what, let Zorn work this thing out.

This fanbase has seen too many changes.

Let's get one coach, one offense that works, and move with it for a few seasons.

The quarterback--Campbell--is the only piece that can or should be changed in the event of failure.

And this year, it's up to him to realize that where failure is not an option, unemployment or free agency is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 12, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Nice to see the Mayor with an early morning saturday post!

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 12, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

"Hello, Job Security!"
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 12, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

MayorReid: "...and as I was saying, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and another thing, blahration, blah reform, blahfanbase, blahtwitter, blah, blah, blah,..."

Moe: "LIAR!!!...you all LIE!!!"

(INSERT image of a highly agitated Moe seated at the center of a mass of clueless bloggas and football starved redskins fans. A moment later, the Redskin Blog Owner and TheCork are seen escorting Moe out of the blog. Peace returns to the forum.)

MayorReid (clearing his throat): "...and as I was saying, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and another thing, blahration, blah reform, blahfanbase, blahtwitter, blah, blah, blah,..."

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 12, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is going to learn that if you dance with the devil you are bound to be burned, and that's the scenario he entered when he joined the Redskins. This fickle owner has no interest in building over the long term and Zorn took the job knowing the owner's "win now" edict, yet, on the other hand, knowing it would take years to put all of his WCO components in place.

I don't believe this coach has what it takes to get the Redskins to the Superbowl this year and therefore I think he's gone after the seasn. I think Zorn will ultimately be a good coach but I think his big chance in Washington is coming to an end. His starting roster has talent, but there are some depth issues that should have everyone concerned. The team is an injury away from being in a bad situation. There is no plug and play replacement if Samuels goes down, the drop off in talent if Landry goes down means the defense will have to totally change its scheme, and people can say Ladell Betts is a solid running back but, should Clinton Portis go down for an extended period of time, the team really doesn't have a back with Portis' skills.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 12, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

(INSERT image of a highly agitated Moe seated at the center of a mass of clueless bloggas and football starved redskins fans. A moment later, the Redskin Blog Owner and TheCork are seen escorting Moe out of the blog. Peace returns to the forum.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 12, 2009 7:55 AM |

(INSERT image of Katie Couric running film of agitated Moe being dragged from blog, "In another illustration of the disgraceful state of our public discourse, a confused and wild-eyed MistaMoe was led today in handcuffs from RI and is being held without bail in the WaPo dungeon. He was heard to mutter 'Who elected him Mayor? Huh? Who?' MrsMoe refuses to stand by her man and has filed for divorce.")

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

As far as I'm concerned, all of this buzz about JZ being replaced if we don't make the playoffs is pure speculation and there hasn't been anything I've heard from ownership that suggests he is on that short of a leash. Granted Snyder isn't or hasn't been the epitome of patience with his head coaches in the past but hey, 8-8 your first year as a head coach in this division ain't bad, even if we did collapse after a 6-2 start..lets just see what happens this year before we start talking about who the next coach could be and yada yada yada....I see a surprisingly good season this year if we stay healthy...and if we don't stay healthy, how is that JZ's fault? Let the guy do his job without all this stupid pressure because it can't be helpful to the team. I haven't seen any gross mistakes on JZ's part yet...sure you can question his play calling from time to time but tell me what head coach isn't second guessed from time to time. I loved hearing that Gibbs was coming back from Nascar to coach the team again but honestly getting plays called and being decisive has been way better under JZ's watch. This is year 2. Lets see what happens and give the guy a chance to succeed before we assume he's not going to be good. Does anybody remember back when a certain coach in NE was considered a retread? I would say time was all he needed to silence his critics....lets give JZ that opportunity.

Posted by: scottmando | September 12, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 12, 2009 8:13 AM

Thanks for the head-slap reality. All of a sudden, I feel nauseous. Not!

I am so looking forward to seeing Haynesworth stomp over the Giants. This year may not be about the Redskins' offense but their defense.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 12, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

"MistaMoe was led today in handcuffs from RI and is being held without bail in the WaPo dungeon."

...and the dungeon not that bad a place, especially the 3am waterboarding sessions where they try to get me to admit that baseball is boring....

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 12, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

baseball is boring....

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 12, 2009 8:38 AM |

Baseball, always boring. MistaMoe, never boring. Except when he talks about baseball and baseball's boredom germs infect him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 12, 2009 8:38 AM

(INSERT image of the Mayor saying, "Waterboarding? MistaMoe, you LIE!!!")

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 12, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

On defense, no one is talking about Phillip Daniels, a potential difference maker on this defense. It is true the success of this defense have to go through Albert Haynesworth; very true, Albert will be Albert, then Phillip Daniels should enjoy one on one. Everybody knows about Orakpo's 500lbs bench pressing, but quite a few pay attention to Phillip Daniels bench pressing 600lbs and squatting over 700lbs. Folks, offensive coaches will not game plan for Phillip Daniels, they have enough to think about with Albert and Orakpo , however Daniels will be a pleasant surprise. As I have predicted so many times and always right, e.g on Marko Mitchell making the team even before he played in his first pre-season game, on Colt throwing several interceptions even before he actually did, e.t.c, I will once again predict Skins victory over the Giants on Sunday, also, I'm predicting this defense would rack over 40 sacks this year.

Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | September 12, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Danny you gotta give the guy another year no matter what. But if not....

BEST CASE SCENARIO Coaching Staff 2010-11:

Head Coach: Wilford Brimley
O. Staff: The Golden Girls
Special Teams: That PC Guy
D. Coord.: Sec. Alexander Haig
D. Line: Wilford Brimley, Jr.
Secondary: That Bud Light Tailgate Guy
Clipboard: M. Night Shamlayan

Posted by: ElYeah | September 12, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I think that as long as the we don't see a collapse like last year at the end and the team is competitive and even if we finish 7-9 8-8, then Zorn should get 1 more year. However captain impatient in the big office will probably be on the phone to Shanahan if the skins don’t beat the giants.

Posted by: Deadfish | September 12, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

A Zorn job security post on the eve of Game 1...nice.

For our next low blow, the Post is going to do a multi-part series on how badly the franchise treats its fanbase...oh, wait a minute...

Posted by: p1funk | September 12, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I think that as long as the we don't see a collapse like last year at the end and the team is competitive and even if we finish 7-9 8-8, then Zorn should get 1 more year.

Posted by: Deadfish | September 12, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse


One more year to do what?

Try and make a playoff run with Todd Collins or Colt brennan?

If Skins finish 7-9 or 8-8, Zorn is done b/c JC is in a contract year and would never be re-signed. No way FO gives Zorn one extra year to start again from scratch with a new QB.

Posted by: p1funk | September 12, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

A Zorn job security post on the eve of Game 1...nice.

For our next low blow, the Post is going to do a multi-part series on how badly the franchise treats its fanbase...oh, wait a minute...

Posted by: p1funk | September 12, 2009 9:16 AM


I agree, this is the problem w/ the long time between end of pre-season and the start of the season people run out of stuff to write about. And people who comment here (including myself) need to to get a little more of a life.

Posted by: Deadfish | September 12, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

About job security. I'm not sure Dan Snyder and Cerrato haven't matured a little since the Shottenheimer, Spurrier days. Im certainly more immpressed with what Cerrato has done the last couple years and I think Dan has realized the error of his ways. Time will only tell though. Hopefully we have a good season and make a nice run so this is just a moot point.

Posted by: crzyvgs | September 12, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins should stop letting the other teams dictate what they do. Have the attitude that they are going to win no matter what the other team can and cannot do. In the glory days of Riggo every team in the nfl new that they had to stop Riggo but they could not stop him. The current team needs to get that swagger back!The Redskins need a o-line like they had back then, and then they can dictate whats going to happen. Teams like the Giants know that they are going to win when they play the Redskins! The Cowboys of the 90`s new they could beat the Redskins every time that they played them. The Redskins should stop telling the media what thier going to do and just go do it and then talk to the media! I cannot stand to hear someone telling the media that when they played for a different team that they knew that they would beat the Redskins every time that they played them. The Redskins NEED THAT SWAGGER BACK! Put some FIRE under that pregame speach! Make the halftime adjustments and things could be much better. Impose your will! STOP letting the media scare you!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | September 12, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Not saying they will, just saying a coach should get more than 2 years to do the job, especially if you have a oline that is injured and old, and a diva RB, and a QB that may be over-whelmed by 7 systems in 7 years

Posted by: Deadfish | September 12, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Offensive clipboard: Brian Mitchell

Posted by: ElYeah | September 12, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

The Danny can't resist trying to woo the likes of Shannahan ,Gruden, Holmgren and Cower. The names are just to big for him to ignore. Hark is that the hum of redskin one engines I hear!

Posted by: DG28 | September 12, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

The Danny can't resist trying to woo the likes of Shannahan ,Gruden, Holmgren and Cower. The names are just to big for him to ignore. Hark is that the hum of redskin one engines I hear!

Posted by: DG28 | September 12, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Hark is that the hum of redskin one engines I hear!

Posted by: DG28 | September 12, 2009 9:42 AM

No. You're hearing things again. Adjust your meds.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

off the subject:

ESPN has a list of the top 20 rookies to watch in the NFL. You would think that Arakpo would be on this list but he is not. I hope Arakpo sees this list and uses this as extra motivation to make ESPN look very stupid.

Posted by: pennstate1 | September 12, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

off the subject:

ESPN has a list of the top 20 rookies to watch in the NFL. You would think that Arakpo would be on this list but he is not. I hope Arakpo sees this list and uses this as extra motivation to make ESPN look very stupid.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/preview09/news/story?id=4446568

Posted by: pennstate1 | September 12, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

OK all you Snyder is impatient with coaches, why don't you idiots tell me who he was impatient with.

He started with Norv who should have been fired 3 years before Snyder baught the team.

Then he hired Marty he gave all control away, well after a year he decided he didn't like that. I would not say that was impatience stupid maybe but not impatient.

Spurrier comes in next and quits after two years, he was not fired. But to bring in Gibbs everyone on here would have fired Spurrier.

Then Gibbs who quit after 4 years.

Zorn is in his second year, who knows what will happen.

Where is this impatience with coaches you speak of, you idiots act like we have a new coach every year.

Please have some actual stats or knowledge before coming on here, because otherwise you look like fools.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 12, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Please have some actual stats or knowledge before coming on here, because otherwise you look like fools.

I thought that was the point?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 12, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

you look like fools.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 12, 2009 10:45 AM

You say that like it's a bad thing. If you can't look like a fool on RI, then where can you look like a fool?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Vexed50 Your Absolutely Right!!!!! WE NEED OUR SWAGGER!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jiza32 | September 12, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

TE,

True that, I just get mad when people come on here barking all this sh_t but have no actual knowledge of what they speak.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 12, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully Zorn will not have to answer job security questions for the remainder of the season. I do not understand how anyone could work effectively under a constant cloud of controversy the way he and Jason Campbell have too. It wouldn't be long before I would get sick and tired of answering those type questions, espically on the eve of the season opener. In the words of Greg Blache, quote; I dont mind intelligent, well thought out questions, but the same old bull over and over gets old quick unquote; Let's talk about how we're going to win some football games.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | September 12, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"ESPN has a list of the top 20 rookies to watch in the NFL. You would think that Arakpo would be on this list but he is not. I hope Arakpo sees this list and uses this as extra motivation to make ESPN look very stupid."

So Arakpo isn't on the list but is Orakpo?

(jk...but seriously that is insane. He will be huge this year.)

Posted by: chrislarry | September 12, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

hey pennstate.. maybe the reason you dont see his name is because its spelled
Orakpo...
On Monday I am throwing out all the PennState Resumes on my desk.. thanks for helping me thin things out....
++++++++++++++++++

off the subject:

ESPN has a list of the top 20 rookies to watch in the NFL. You would think that Arakpo would be on this list but he is not. I hope Arakpo sees this list and uses this as extra motivation to make ESPN look very stupid.

Posted by: pennstate1 | September 12, 2009 10:36 AM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Zorn needs to tell reporters who ask any questions about job security, to kis hiw white azz.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 12, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

TE,

True that, I just get mad when people come on here barking all this sh_t but have no actual knowledge of what they speak.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 12, 2009 11:02 AM

Funny and true. It's called 'blind arrogance'.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 12, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21,
You know what? Never mind...

Posted by: mack1 | September 12, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"ESPN has a list of the top 20 rookies to watch in the NFL. You would think that Arakpo would be on this list but he is not. I hope Arakpo sees this list and uses this as extra motivation to make ESPN look very stupid."

Who is the Arakpo guy? I sure hope he play along the offensive line.

Posted by: dcwun | September 12, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

hey pennstate.. maybe the reason you dont see his name is because its spelled
Orakpo...
On Monday I am throwing out all the PennState Resumes on my desk.. thanks for helping me thin things out....


Throwing out resumes? You mean there are jobs available somewhere?

Posted by: dcwun | September 12, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Zorn's job security status was pretty much evident by the Dan's budget allocation..

Here's a wire tap from Dan's office last March..

Snyder: "Hey Blache.. here is 230 Million dollars for Free Agents and the Draft.. Good luck.. lets make the Defense number one"

(Zorn walks in as Blache walks out)

Snyder: "Hey John..",

Zorn responds: "uh its Jim, Mr Snyder"..

Snyder: "Oh my bad".. "So Tim, here is 8 million dollars to pick up Dockery off the waiver wire... I know, I know.. he led the Bills last year in sacks allowed, but we think Buges can coach him up again. I know in 08 we scored less points than the 0-16 Lions.. but, I think this 8 million for Dockery will put us over the top....Besides we have 150,000 unsold Dockery jerseys from the 2005 inventory we need to move..
Regarding draft picks.. my consultant suggested I hold onto all of 2010 picks and not sign any long term Offensive Contracts or extensions.. ".

Zorn: "Thanks Mr. Snyder..and thank you for my first Head Coaching job.. Can I unpack my boxes now? Its been a year?".

Snyder: "uh...Tim..hang on to that thought.. opps.. I just got a tweet from Shan....uh I mean my consultant... need some alone time.. do you mind..?"..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

OK all you Snyder is impatient with coaches, why don't you idiots tell me who he was impatient with.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 12, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse


Norv Turner
Marty Schottenheimer
Al Saunders

Posted by: p1funk | September 12, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Please have some actual stats or knowledge before coming on here, because otherwise you look like fools.

Posted by: Flounder21
________________________

Actual knowledge? I've always based everything I say and do on fake knowledge, so this is troubling...

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 12, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

FROM THE FLY-PAPER ON THE WALL:

Well I figure Mr. SNYDER gave ZORN some offensive tools last year, forgetting the most basic one to be successful, o-line. Oh wait, yes, there was that third-rounder, what's his name....RINEHART. What a beast. And three, that's THREE receivers, blockers (DAVIS), so DANO could go all out on rebuilding the defense this year, trusting that the great "offensive genius" JIM ZORN could assemble the old with the new, and put a powerhouse offense on the field while the defense was finding its new legs this season.

I mean he WAS the offensive coordinator, and hired to recharge the offense, no? No pressure JIM. Just produce.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 12, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

off the subject:

ESPN has a list of the top 20 rookies to watch in the NFL. You would think that Arakpo would be on this list but he is not. I hope Arakpo sees this list and uses this as extra motivation to make ESPN look very stupid.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
OFF THE SUBJECT, AGAIN!

Jeremy Green must have a picture of some ESPN Execitive pleasuring himself with a farm animal. Really, guys who hav'nt signed yet, overweight OT who can't get on the field. P L E A S E........

Posted by: Spanglerg | September 12, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Founder21:

So should the guys that maintain and clear the locker room be here? I mean they do hear things. That's actual knowledge, no? Or should we limit blogs to the coaches and players? Maybe game officials, or the ones who write and post these articles for the blogs. Wouldn't that eliminate YOU? Or are you the one individual here privy to real knowledge." Dude, you're too old to do a reprise of "Animal House."

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 12, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Hey Spanglerg..
PETA called, they want to talk to you...
++++++++++++++++++++++
Jeremy Green must have a picture of some ESPN Execitive pleasuring himself with a farm animal.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

check out the latest coverage here

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/main

Posted by: nattylite88 | September 12, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

it's simple: line play will determine the outcome. The Skins Oline makes Justin Tuck look like Reggie White every time they play. Plus w/ it being the first game in NY, look for a lot of procedure penalties. Buges better have coached the Dirtbags up, and they better bring it.

Also take a look at this stat from 08' regarding Eli Manning:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=5526&sYear=2008

Yes, his only 300+ yard throwing game last year came vs. the Redskins w/o Plaxico. So the Giants feel comfortable running and passing vs. the Skins D. The only that has changed is hopefully the Skins Dline w/ Haynesworth and Orakpo can get pressure on Eli, who's proven that he's a bad decision maker with pressure in his face.

BUT the good part about the Skins O tomorrow is that 2 of the Giants CB's have hamstring issues (Aaron Ross is out, Kevin Dockery is ?'nable). That means that J C will throw early and often to loosen up the safeties to where ARE and Cooley can get big gainers in the middle of the field. Corey Webster is avg, but no one can guard Santana; + I like MKelly and Devin vs. man-to-man coverage, esp. w/ Santana drawing safety attention.

No matter who has the early lead, they will grind out the ball w/ the running game.

SO, whoever gets ahead early will win the game with ball possession. The Skins have the opportunity to do it just as much as the Giants do, but forget about it if the Skins get down early because the Giants pass rush will be too much for the Skins OLine to handle...

Posted by: bernard_thompson | September 12, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

it's simple: line play will determine the outcome. The Skins Oline makes Justin Tuck look like Reggie White every time they play. Plus w/ it being the first game in NY, look for a lot of procedure penalties. Buges better have coached the Dirtbags up, and they better bring it.

Also take a look at this stat from 08' regarding Eli Manning:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=5526&sYear=2008

Yes, his only 300+ yard throwing game last year came vs. the Redskins w/o Plaxico. So the Giants feel comfortable running and passing vs. the Skins D. The only that has changed is hopefully the Skins Dline w/ Haynesworth and Orakpo can get pressure on Eli, who's proven that he's a bad decision maker with pressure in his face.

BUT the good part about the Skins O tomorrow is that 2 of the Giants CB's have hamstring issues (Aaron Ross is out, Kevin Dockery is ?'nable). That means that J C will throw early and often to loosen up the safeties to where ARE and Cooley can get big gainers in the middle of the field. Corey Webster is avg, but no one can guard Santana; + I like MKelly and Devin vs. man-to-man coverage, esp. w/ Santana drawing safety attention.

No matter who has the early lead, they will grind out the ball w/ the running game.

SO, whoever gets ahead early will win the game with ball possession. The Skins have the opportunity to do it just as much as the Giants do, but forget about it if the Skins get down early because the Giants pass rush will be too much for the Skins OLine to handle...

Posted by: bernard_thompson | September 12, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

it's simple: line play will determine the outcome. The Skins Oline makes Justin Tuck look like Reggie White every time they play. Plus w/ it being the first game in NY, look for a lot of procedure penalties. Buges better have coached the Dirtbags up, and they better bring it.

Also take a look at this stat from 08' regarding Eli Manning:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=5526&sYear=2008

Yes, his only 300+ yard throwing game last year came vs. the Redskins w/o Plaxico. So the Giants feel comfortable running and passing vs. the Skins D. The only that has changed is hopefully the Skins Dline w/ Haynesworth and Orakpo can get pressure on Eli, who's proven that he's a bad decision maker with pressure in his face.

BUT the good part about the Skins O tomorrow is that 2 of the Giants CB's have hamstring issues (Aaron Ross is out, Kevin Dockery is ?'nable). That means that J C will throw early and often to loosen up the safeties to where ARE and Cooley can get big gainers in the middle of the field. Corey Webster is avg, but no one can guard Santana; + I like MKelly and Devin vs. man-to-man coverage, esp. w/ Santana drawing safety attention.

No matter who has the early lead, they will grind out the ball w/ the running game.

SO, whoever gets ahead early will win the game with ball possession. The Skins have the opportunity to do it just as much as the Giants do, but forget about it if the Skins get down early because the Giants pass rush will be too much for the Skins OLine to handle...

Posted by: bernard_thompson | September 12, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

flound, whats up, how did the softball coaching go? Good to have you posting.

Talking about JZ's job security, to quote cl, is straight tart at this point. If they fire him after this year, thats just the essence of stupidity. Can't develop any continuity if the offense/defense/players keep constantly changing.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 12, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I think a coach should and can be judged fairly quickly, if they have a decent talent level throughout the team and no units that are "incompetent" and therefore make other strengths irrelevant.

For instance, if the O-line can really be exploited by opponents this year, then we can't really say Zorn should have made the playoffs on the strength/competence of the D, QB, WR's, RB's, etc. In the NFL, it's all about the weak link. Even a killer D, which the Skins may well have, will get tired & ineffective by at least the 4th quarter if the O-line isn't enabling them to stay off the field to a reasonable extent (plus the QB won't have time to make reads, WR's won't have time to separate, holes won't be there for RB's, etc).

For me, if the Skins O-line does OK this year and we don't make the playoffs, then we need to seriously consider replacing him.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 12, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Founder21:

So should the guys that maintain and clear the locker room be here? I mean they do hear things. That's actual knowledge, no? Or should we limit blogs to the coaches and players? Maybe game officials, or the ones who write and post these articles for the blogs. Wouldn't that eliminate YOU? Or are you the one individual here privy to real knowledge." Dude, you're too old to do a reprise of "Animal House."

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 12, 2009 11:53 AM |

I have facts to back up what I'm saying, I don't mind people speculating on stuff. But when you come on here and say Snyder is impatient with coaches, where is the proof.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 12, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

flound, whats up, how did the softball coaching go? Good to have you posting.

Talking about JZ's job security, to quote cl, is straight tart at this point. If they fire him after this year, thats just the essence of stupidity. Can't develop any continuity if the offense/defense/players keep constantly changing.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 12, 2009 12:03 PM |

It went great we had an excellent year, already started the new year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 12, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I am on record as being, well....how should I say this...not horny for zorny....

BUTT lets see how it plays out, if the season ends ugly then the obviously the coaching talk will start then, if you deny that will happen than you are also prolly holding on to that Enron stock just knowing it will bounce back.

Butt season's going to be boffo, so it doesnt matter!!!!!!

This is why sports rulz, wee will see with Ws & Ls.

Table the coaching talk till its time.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 12, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

OK all you Snyder is impatient with coaches, why don't you idiots tell me who he was impatient with.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 12, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse


Norv Turner
Marty Schottenheimer
Al Saunders

Posted by: p1funk | September 12, 2009 11:41 AM |

p1,

Norv Turner was a horrible coach, he should of been out of here way before Snyder got here. Snyder showed patience by giving him as long as he did.

Al Saunders was never a head coach, and incase you missed the games his offense was terrible here.

I discussed Marty that was not impatience that was he wanted the control back. I also said that was a stupid move.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 12, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

CL,

How's the baby doing?

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 12, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Good flound good! Thx! don't be such a stranger!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 12, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

flound, good to hear the coaching went well, good to have you back posting also...

cl, agreed the coaching talk will happen, however I'm going on record that the more the team changes coach's, the more time they'll waste, the more new systems they'll have to put into play, the more 'rebuilding' they'll have to do, its just an endless cycle...they can't keep changing coach's and expect to win on a consistent basis.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 12, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

CL,

I'm always lerking and reading everything, just got a little tired of some of the haters on here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 12, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

BG: I am pro-continuity as well, even not being a big Zorn fan. But if we go 6-10 and 5/6 big names sitting out there....well the smart money says bet a change.

But since its week 1 and i AM psyched up...who cares b/c 11-5 and no coaching talk except "of the year"!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 12, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait it's been a long time coming, I hope they go out there and play hard and kick some Giants azz.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 12, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

screw tomorrow's game..
I'm looking forward to 2010 and free agents swimming in uncapped Snyder money.

Redskins Park will the Dubai of the NFL.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm going on record that the more the team changes coach's, the more time they'll waste, the more new systems they'll have to put into play, the more 'rebuilding' they'll have to do, its just an endless cycle...they can't keep changing coach's and expect to win on a consistent basis.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 12, 2009 12:20 PM

Continuity is a result of good coaching. Good coaching isn't a result of continuity. We need to get the right coach, and then there will be continuity.

We had lots of continuity with Norv Turner, and it led to nothing but more of the same.

Zorn may be the right guy, and we'll have a good idea at the end of the season. If he coaches again the way he did in the second half of last season -- boring and predictable -- I'd welcome a change.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

well said TE

Posted by: chrislarry | September 12, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

ummmm Gibbs comes back without the cap in 2010.. ala Gibbs v 1.0 with Cooke's unlimited budget.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

someone obviously signed in as te, cuz that post makes WAY too much sense for him....the other thing is WAY too many words are spelled correctly...that ain't him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 12, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Continuity is a result of good coaching. Good coaching isn't a result of continuity. We need to get the right coach, and then there will be continuity.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 12:31 PM

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Incontinence.. is a result of old coaches..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

flounder, nice to see you on here again bringing it w/passion.

cL keeping it real. w/u on zorn and what this weekend is about!

greg, where's the link?

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

beantown.. Texas is a scarin me..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

snagm, sox didn't play last night, which Texas prolly did, so I'm not worried yet...dice looks like a wash for the year...waste of money....

curz, pft started blocking me, saying I'm causing way too many people to log on for the reports I give, causing their servers to crash...not fair I tell you...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 12, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

beantown,

It turds out that when you blog in Firefox there is a spill checker that tills you when you half a misspelled word. See? No misspelled works here.

It doesn't tell you when you have a bad idea. Chris Larry does that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Dice K = The Fat Toad

Posted by: chrislarry | September 12, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

YA! YA YA! his name is ORAKPO...MY BAD:)

Posted by: pennstate1 | September 12, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

thats bs.. you're making them money as they get paid for rotating Ad impressions..
I did look up the Samuels knee draining. It was true but, not between every play...haha

btw got tix for fenway in 2 weeks (Tor)..
should freeze the barnicles off.

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curz, pft started blocking me, saying I'm causing way too many people to log on for the reports I give, causing their servers to crash...not fair I tell you...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 12, 2009 12:44 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

cant help but think of his name when I change my kids diapers.. just too easy..
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YA! YA YA! his name is ORAKPO...MY BAD:)

Posted by: pennstate1 | September 12, 2009 12:49 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

te, thats more like the te that we've known to grow and loathe, er love....not that there's anything wrong with that....

cl, dice=irabu, yeah, haha, you might be onto something there...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 12, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

p1,

Norv Turner was a horrible coach, he should of been out of here way before Snyder got here. Snyder showed patience by giving him as long as he did.

Al Saunders was never a head coach, and incase you missed the games his offense was terrible here.

I discussed Marty that was not impatience that was he wanted the control back. I also said that was a stupid move.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 12, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse


Re: Norv

Snyder fired Norv Turner half-way through his first season as owner while the Skins were still in a playoff hunt. If that is not an impatient knee-jerk decision, I don't know what is. Just b/c you think the old ownership kept Norv around for too long, that has no bearing on Snyder's patience, which is the topic of our discussion.

Re: Marty
Ok, so what we have on our hands here is a "patient" bungling nincompoop who cared more about "control" than about letting the team/francise develop into a contender...as long as we are clear.

Re: Al Saunders
Al Saunders was a coach; he wasn't the "head" coach, but he was an "associate" head coach who was installing a new offense. Snyder had every opportunity to allow Saunders to stick around and develop JC in a proven offensive system. But he blew it up the first chance he got. Yes, that offense looked bad - of course JC had barely a year to learn it and the plug got pulled by an IMPATIENT owner.

Posted by: p1funk | September 12, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

27 hours until we have real game issues to fight about!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 12, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

You're assuming the fighting will wait until after the game is over? Um yeah.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 12, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

and you know there will be fighting.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I like Jim Zorn, but these are the facts:

Miami Dolphins
2007 1-15
2008 11-5
(made the playoffs with 1st yr head coach Tony Sparano)

Atlanta Falcons
2007 4-12
2008 11-5
(made the playoffs with 1st yr head coach Mike Smith and rookie QB)

Baltimore Ravens
2007 5-11
2008 11-5
(made the playoffs with 1st yr head coach John Harbaugh and rookie QB)

Washington Redskins
2007 9-7
2008 8-8
(didn't make the playoffs with 1st yr head coach Jim Zorn)

Now you all remember that game from Sesame Street when you were a kid - one of these things is not like the other.

Posted by: RITCA | September 12, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

However to Zorn's defense, REAL NFL GM's were "buying the groceries" for those Head Coaches and Teams..(ie Parcells)..
Not ego driven wannabe GM's that have never visited a college campus. Only phone calls to agents.. Big difference.
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I like Jim Zorn, but these are the facts:

Miami Dolphins
2007 1-15
2008 11-5
(made the playoffs with 1st yr head coach Tony Sparano)

Atlanta Falcons
2007 4-12
2008 11-5
(made the playoffs with 1st yr head coach Mike Smith and rookie QB)

Baltimore Ravens
2007 5-11
2008 11-5
(made the playoffs with 1st yr head coach John Harbaugh and rookie QB)

Washington Redskins
2007 9-7
2008 8-8
(didn't make the playoffs with 1st yr head coach Jim Zorn)

Now you all remember that game from Sesame Street when you were a kid - one of these things is not like the other.

Posted by: RITCA | September 12, 2009 1:12 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"You're assuming the fighting will wait until after the game is over? Um yeah.

Posted by: chasgiffen"

no i am not, 4pm game...kickoff in roughly 27 hours...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 12, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Need some more:

New Orleans Saints
2005 3-13
2006 10-6 (made playoffs with new coach Sean Payton)
2007 7-9
2008 8-8

Chicago Bears
2003 7-9
2004 5-11 (with new coach Lovie Smith)
2005 11-5 (made playoffs)
2006 13-3 (went to Superbowl)

Arizona Cardinals
2006 5-11
2007 8-8 (with new coach Ken Whisenhunt)
2008 9-7 (went to Superbowl)

Zorn needs to show improvement this year (i.e no late season fade, no predictability) to earn a 3rd season.

Posted by: RITCA | September 12, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Sup everyone?

I thought I'd come through and make a weekend non-gameday appearance, since you know it's my blog now, right chasgiffen?

Thanks.

Carry on...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 12, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

this place is gonna be a zoo on Monday no matter what happens. win, and it will be guys making super bowl plans, lose and it will be fire the coach, start collins,etc.....I suspect that if they lose there will be a sguru sighting up here....

snagm, look at the last 2-3 drafts from the skins, they've done well, hopefully we'll see some huge improvement this year....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 12, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

However to Zorn's defense, REAL NFL GM's were "buying the groceries" for those Head Coaches and Teams..(ie Parcells)..
Not ego driven wannabe GM's that have never visited a college campus. Only phone calls to agents.. Big difference.
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Well I think it also has something to do with the conference that those other teams play in. Not too many of them would be successful in the NFC East. More importantly though is winning the games that they should win. We can't have more Cincinnati and St. Louis games this year.

Posted by: RITCA | September 12, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

yeah, you may be right ref the Drafts..... but, the venting and spewing makes a f-ugly rainy cold day in Boston more palatable...

psyched they're televising Skins/Gints on Fox network up here... sick of Pats..
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snagm, look at the last 2-3 drafts from the skins, they've done well, hopefully we'll see some huge improvement this year....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 12, 2009 1:26 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

We all know the problem with the Skins is not the players or coaches but with that impatient little "wanna make a splash" elevator shoes shrimp of an owner, Snyder. Damn it, we need an owner with class, someone who can restore the Redskins to its old traditions.

Posted by: getitritegov | September 12, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Re: Norv

Snyder fired Norv Turner half-way through his first season as owner while the Skins were still in a playoff hunt. If that is not an impatient knee-jerk decision, I don't know what is. Just b/c you think the old ownership kept Norv around for too long, that has no bearing on Snyder's patience, which is the topic of our discussion.

Re: Marty
Ok, so what we have on our hands here is a "patient" bungling nincompoop who cared more about "control" than about letting the team/francise develop into a contender...as long as we are clear.

Re: Al Saunders
Al Saunders was a coach; he wasn't the "head" coach, but he was an "associate" head coach who was installing a new offense. Snyder had every opportunity to allow Saunders to stick around and develop JC in a proven offensive system. But he blew it up the first chance he got. Yes, that offense looked bad - of course JC had barely a year to learn it and the plug got pulled by an IMPATIENT owner.


The Marty firing was impatience but thats it when it comes to Snyder's coaching firings. He's fired one head coach in the last 8 years. He fired Saunders after 2 years. Saunders has since been hired and fired by the Rams and is now merely a consultant for the Ravens.

Posted by: dg4eva | September 12, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"We all know the problem with the Skins is not the players or coaches but with that impatient little "wanna make a splash" elevator shoes shrimp of an owner, Snyder. Damn it, we need an owner with class, someone who can restore the Redskins to its old traditions.

Posted by: getitritegov

I don't really disagree, but it ain't changing. Like hoping for a million bucks to just instantly populate my bank account...

So I will as a swap take an upgrade in our O-Tackle depth....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 12, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

cant see Snyder ever selling the team..
Due to the antitrust exemption, he has a gold mine.. The whole friggn NFL is a gold mine for that matter..
I am surprised the recent Redskins in-house ticket scalping incident didnt get some members of the House and Senate up in arms about the exemption they have bestowed upon the NFL.
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We all know the problem with the Skins is not the players or coaches but with that impatient little "wanna make a splash" elevator shoes shrimp of an owner, Snyder. Damn it, we need an owner with class, someone who can restore the Redskins to its old traditions.

Posted by: getitritegov | September 12, 2009 1:37 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Re: Norv

Snyder fired Norv Turner half-way through his first season as owner while the Skins were still in a playoff hunt. If that is not an impatient knee-jerk decision, I don't know what is. Just b/c you think the old ownership kept Norv around for too long, that has no bearing on Snyder's patience, which is the topic of our discussion.

Posted by: p1funk | September 12, 2009 12:59 PM |

I'm calling bs on this. Norv was head coach for nearly seven years. He had a record of 49-59-1. He made one playoff appearance and he lost that game. When he was fired his record was 7-6. Not exactly the middle of the season, and not close to the playoffs, either.

So what do you think would a "patient" Snyder have done? Buy the team, ignore Norv's previous record, and give him three years to prove himself?

Norv's clock didn't start the day Snyder bought the team. It started when he reported to work, and Cooke and Snyder gave him enough patience to hang himself.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The more I hear this "writing on the wall" issue about Zorn's future, the more I'm tempted to disagree. The media and everyone else has dismissed this thing as though Zorn is already halfway out the door. I don't think so anymore. In fact, if he goes at least 8 - 8 I see him coming back. Of course, a lot of that hinges on Campbell. But if JC improves from last year, that'll largely reflect Zorn's coaching as well as familiarity in the WC system, which we've hear over and over again about it taking 2-3 yrs (maybe more). Bottom line: if the o line is what ends up holding this team back--again--offensively, then I see Zorn coming back, and possibly JC too. Sure, it sounds crazy but I think it's much more feasible than everyone is giving it for.
Oh, and Matt Mosley for ESPN is predicting JC will have a great game against the vagiants:
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Jason Campbell is going to play really well against the Giants on Sunday: OK, there I said it. He's done an amazing job of staying focused through a lot of offseason adversity. And it helps that the Giants are banged up in the secondary. Someone named Bruce Johnson may see a lot of time at the nickel spot. If that's the case, look for Campbell to put up some nice numbers. I think Terrell Thomas could struggle with Malcolm Kelly. I really do. Let's keep an eye on that matchup.

Posted by: pgugino | September 12, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Like hoping for a million bucks to just instantly populate my bank account...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 12, 2009 1:41 PM

CL, send me your bank account number. My friend Imjunwi in Nigeria will get that money in there by the end of the day.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I am surprised the recent Redskins in-house ticket scalping incident didnt get some members of the House and Senate up in arms about the exemption they have bestowed upon the NFL.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 1:47 PM

We have a war in Afghanistan, a financial crisis, a runaway deficit, a health reform shabingus, and you expect them to put that on the back burner because of ticket scalping?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

No facts or stats are neccessary to state the obvious, a coach should not have to answer questions about his joy security to anyone except for those who hired him. It has to be awkward for Zorn though he tries hard not to show it.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | September 12, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

We have a war in Afghanistan, a financial crisis, a runaway deficit, a health reform shabingus, and you expect them to put that on the back burner because of ticket scalping?

Posted by: talent_evaluator
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No doubt everyone will want to blame the GOP for the ticket scalping also.

Posted by: RITCA | September 12, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"given the buzz around the league that has owner Daniel Snyder eager to replace Zorn with former Denver Broncos Coach Mike Shanahan"

This is crap. The buzz around the league involving the skins is completely fabricated by this blog AND the wapo. Hey, here is some real football knowledge for you. Signing a hall of fame head coach without a labor agreement present is STUPID. People have a boner for Mike Shanahan who won ONE super bowl in like 20 years, give me a break. I hate Dan Snyder just as much as the next guy, but JC, LET'S PLAY SOME GAMES FIRST BEFORE WE SPECULATE THE HEAD COACHING JOB. Mayor, you disappoint me sir.

Posted by: BMACattack | September 12, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

a coach should not have to answer questions about his joy security to anyone except for those who hired him.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | September 12, 2009 2:17 PM

Joy security's a different matter. I think he should answer questions from his wife on that one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

People have a boner for Mike Shanahan who won ONE super bowl in like 20 years, give me a break.

Posted by: BMACattack | September 12, 2009 2:22 PM

I agree. I think Jon Gruden makes much more sense for the 'Skins. You with me on that?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"given the buzz around the league that has owner Daniel Snyder eager to replace Zorn with former Denver Broncos Coach Mike Shanahan"

Only one way to prove the validity of this statement. Greg, can you please check PFT to verify this please? No link required.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Curzon,

That one is so easy even I can do it, WITH the link:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/12/theismann-says-zorn-isnt-under-the-gun/

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

People have a boner for Mike Shanahan who won ONE super bowl in like 20 years, give me a break.

Posted by: BMACattack | September 12, 2009 2:22 PM

I agree. I think Jon Gruden makes much more sense for the 'Skins. You with me on that?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Not at all. I am a Zorn fan, all the way. Gruden's in the same boat as Shanahan. He won 1 super bowl with my man Brad Johnson. What else did he do? Draft Chris Simms? Come on now. Zron is a good fit. Jason Cambpell needs to stop being a moron and throw the ball faster. Watching the tape of Justin Tuck sacking Campbell on the first play from scrimmage last year WAS ALL CAMBPELL'S FAULT. But, I am crazy and want to stick with 17 as the starting qb too, just because he's what we've got.

Posted by: BMACattack | September 12, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

T_E, although the Post pays you for the comments you post here, Greg needs to transfer some bonus points your way for your quick response to squash this ridiculous rumor that is distracting us hamsters from what is really important- beating the ginas!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

hey..we're talking US politics here.. Since when did they ever have the right priority??
Besides there are many Skins fans in the House and Senate.. I am sure they are not all fans of Snyder's biz practices.
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I am surprised the recent Redskins in-house ticket scalping incident didnt get some members of the House and Senate up in arms about the exemption they have bestowed upon the NFL.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 1:47 PM

We have a war in Afghanistan, a financial crisis, a runaway deficit, a health reform shabingus, and you expect them to put that on the back burner because of ticket scalping?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 2:03 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 12, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

You gotta be kidding me? Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell both deserve support from Redskin fans. These people are the ones that will go the distance this year anyway. Let them have their chance! Changes happen every year anyway, let them play it out. I think they are doing their level best to be successful and there so many factors that go into winning, many of them out of the control of these people or anyone on the team. Let them work and watch what happens. Be optimistic, maybe we will pleasantly surprised.

Posted by: hotwirehenry | September 12, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm calling bs on this. Norv was head coach for nearly seven years. He had a record of 49-59-1. He made one playoff appearance and he lost that game. When he was fired his record was 7-6. Not exactly the middle of the season, and not close to the playoffs, either.

So what do you think would a "patient" Snyder have done? Buy the team, ignore Norv's previous record, and give him three years to prove himself?

Norv's clock didn't start the day Snyder bought the team. It started when he reported to work, and Cooke and Snyder gave him enough patience to hang himself.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse


actually, I misspoke when I said Snyder fired Turner half-way through his first season as owner.

Snyder bought the team in May '99, right before that season.

In 1999, Turner and Co. delivered an NFC East title and went to the playoffs, then in 2000 with the Skins still in the playoff hunt, Snyder blew his lid after a loss to the Giants and fired Norv.

Even better!

And you call ME "bs" for calling out Snyder's impatience! HA!

I'd respond, but it's not worth asking someone to "look" when they are blind.

Posted by: p1funk | September 12, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

When he was fired his record was 7-6. Not exactly the middle of the season, and not close to the playoffs, either.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse


Actually you are wrong on this point.

The 2 wild cards in the NFC that season were Tampa Bay and St. Louis, both with 10-6 records.

The Skins had already beaten both of those teams straight up that season and would have held a tie-breaker had they won out with a 7-6 record to finish 10-6...

...unfortunately Terry Robiskie went 1-2 down the stretch...

Posted by: p1funk | September 12, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Here is snyder's biggest obsticles as a owner, he's not patient he doesn't undestand the consequences of his actions in this business when he makes changes he also wants to be in the playoffs every year you can;t do that unless you are dominant team such as the steelers, also he doesn't undestand that just as easily you got to 12-4 you can get to 4-12 with couple of injuries, now if he wants the Redskins to be dominant team that means it's gonna take time and careful building from the ground up also the media is playing a very large role in all of this now let's talk about Jason Campbell for a minute Snyder wants a franchise QB it takes time for a QB to become franchised QB, in my opinion the difference between Eli manning and Jason Cambell is that Eli stayed in one system and flourished from rookie to forth year he didn't look as a franchise QB with Cambell he had to learn so many different systems that he's head was spinning and he improved a lot in areas such as completion percentage td/int ratio and trust me if he doesn't get a extension from here he's gonna get it from somewehere else and flourish.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | September 12, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

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One time, there was this person who kept posting the same web page over and over, all day everyday..I told him he couldn't keep it up and that eventually he'd stop wasting his own time. Turns out I was right about that idiot.

Strange though, cuz you're kinda doing the same thing just at a reasonable pace. That jerk I reference earlier would never respond to or engage in a convo with his fellow bloggers either; Strange though, cuz you're kinda doing the same thing..?

Posted by: Vicc | September 12, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

... if the O-line can really be exploited by opponents this year, then we can't really say Zorn should have made the playoffs on the strength/competence of the D, QB, WR's, RB's, etc. In the NFL, it's all about the weak link. Even a killer D, which the Skins may well have, will get tired & ineffective by at least the 4th quarter if the O-line isn't enabling them to stay off the field to a reasonable extent (plus the QB won't have time to make reads, WR's won't have time to separate, holes won't be there for RB's, etc).

For me, if the Skins O-line does OK this year and we don't make the playoffs, then we need to seriously consider replacing him.

Posted by: chasgiffen

terrific comment

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 12, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Curzon417 | September 12, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

If the OL struggles this year and the Skins struggle as a result, where does the blame go?

Option 1: Blame the players. Then its a front office issue for bringing in the wrong group. But I'm guessing Danny doesn't point the finger at Exec VP of Losing at Racquetball.

Option 2: Blame the OL coach. Blame Joe Bugel? No one will buy that one.

Option 3: Blame the HC. He didn't get the most out the talent he had and there are about 5 guys with SB rings that Danny can call to replace him with.

Yeah ... its option 3.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 12, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

People have a boner for Mike Shanahan who won ONE super bowl in like 20 years, give me a break.

Posted by: BMACattack | September 12, 2009 2:22 PM

I agree. I think Jon Gruden makes much more sense for the 'Skins. You with me on that?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 2:26 PM
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Having lived thru the Jon Gruden show here in Tampa, I would not want him at all coaching the Skins. He ran the Bucs into the ground. A lot of the players hated him. He was very dishonest with the players and would flat out lie to the media about situations. If you think the media relations between WaPo and Skins are bad. Imagine that relationship with every media outlet in town. Gruden wouldn't last more than two years in DC.

Posted by: noone_from_tampa | September 12, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

2 of the Giants top corners are doubtful to be in the lineup tomorrow. I hope that means we see a lot of 3, 4 and 5 receiver sets to exploit this matchup and see what Campbell, Kelly and Thomas got. GO SKINS

Posted by: lavararrington | September 12, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

2 of the Giants top corners are doubtful to be in the lineup tomorrow. I hope that means we see a lot of 3, 4 and 5 receiver sets to exploit this matchup and see what Campbell, Kelly and Thomas got. GO SKINS

Posted by: lavararrington


Maybe our young WR's can gain some confidence and do well Sunday, and on through the season.
Confidence and leadership are two qualities I think JC lacks. Can't wait for tomorrow! HTTR!!!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 12, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"I hate Dan Snyder just as much as the next guy. . . ."

Posted by: BMACattack | September 12, 2009 2:22 PM |

Goes without saying, BMACattack, but it's a relief to know we're all on the same page, whatever we think about Zorn, the hot seat, etc.

Posted by: farstriker | September 12, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

noone,

Thanks for that perspective. That doesn't sound good.

He won a Super Bowl in Tampa and Warren Sapp credited him for turning around a lax operation under Tony Dungy. I haven't followed him, at all, so have no idea with how he'd fit here, but do think that if the 'Skins change again after this season (and I hope they won't) that it would be nice to see someone tougher than Gibbs or Zorn.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I thought Shanahan won two Super Bowls? Not that it matters as I think it would be a mistake to go down that path. Holmgren & Shanahan are too old to start over. Coaching is a younger man's game. Maybe not Morris or Kiffin young, but lets skip the Medicare crowd please.

Posted by: will_ga | September 12, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

will_ga--

I don't think it much matters. Some coach will emerge as the "hot coach" this year. Maybe it will be Zorn. But if Zorn is the cold coach, then we'll be chasing the hot coach.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 12, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Since the first game is tomorrow, Zorn, Dan, Vinny, JC & the rest have my undying support for at least one day. Will reevaluate on Monday.

Honestly tho, think how bleak everything looked after our first game last year. The offense was anemic & we had a coach who appeared to think it was possible to score a nine point touchdown. A week later and all was right with the world. Win or lose, this game won't tell us how the season will end but it will keep RI hopping Monday & I'm looking forward to it.

Posted by: will_ga | September 12, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

i cant wait to get rid of this moran,maybe he can win a 'um'saying contest,or do more fashion shows about the proper training camp uniys for some other team,cause ill bet when he gets kicked out he will NEVER get a another hc job.a 56yr old w/a flat top who likes to drive fast in his hood and be medium, hip hip hoo rah

Posted by: DLESMonday | September 12, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

This incompetent organization thinks you can put any bunch of guys on the field and then it's up to the head coach. Buges is still telling them that he can take any "big ol' tough guy" and make him a solid NFL lineman. They think that Bill Belichek could take this rag tag bunch to the Super Bowl. Snyder and Cerrato redefine incompetence and arrogance.

Zorn does not stand a chance of taking this team to the playoffs.

Posted by: hz9604 | September 13, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

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