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Zorn has high praise for Ryan

Apparently, Coach Jim Zorn thinks highly of Atlanta Falcons second-year quarterback Matt Ryan.

"I think he's playing with confidence for a young guy. He really has a great feel for anticipating throws. His efficiency is outstanding," Zorn said today at Redskins Park. "You can really see his competitiveness. He is very competitive and very much into the game and knows what he is doing on the line of scrimmage. I think for a young guy to be able to handle as much as you have to as a QB, he's doing all of those things right."

Ryan has completed 59.7 percent of his passes for 1,649 yards with 12 touchdowns and nine interceptions. He has an 82.4 quarterback rating.

As a rookie last season, Ryan completed 61.1 percent of his passes for 3,440 yards with 16 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. He finished with an 87.7 rating.

"You can just see him concentrate. It's not in a big rah-rah fashion but it's in the tempo of his game. I see him getting up, getting back, throwing, making decisions.  He's communicating to players," Zorn said. "He's communicating where people need to be and how they need to get there. Those are the things I see. I have seen a TV copy of the Monday night game, I watched it, and he is on the sideline communicating with people. He is very much focused on the game plan."

By Jason Reid  |  November 6, 2009; 5:08 PM ET
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Comments

Has zorn ever said anything close to this about JC?

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 6, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep Watch out Jason Look out for that Bus Zorn is Driving

Posted by: GreatOne1 | November 6, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

why would he say anything like that about JC? Nothing to praise.

Posted by: swalker5 | November 6, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Wasting away again in Lo-lo-looserville.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 6, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

No. I just think that the people have spoken on JC and the front office. but hear are the facts. Vinny needs to clean out his office. Danny needs to have a meeting with the yankee front office. we need to over haul the o line. trade CP while we still can. fire the coaching staff. i think that zorn could be a good coach but the guy need to pick his staff bring in guys who can help him. then throw out his version off the WCO either that or make him the QB coach and start freash.

Posted by: MGDMaster21 | November 6, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Before Sunday we should trade Jason Campbell for Matt Ryan and then have Ryan play left tackle.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | November 6, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Before Sunday we should trade Jason Campbell for Matt Ryan and then have Ryan play left tackle.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | November 6, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I was going to say the first 10 words, but the rest is even better. Todd Collins as TE and ARE can be the QB. I mean hell he's fast enough to outrun DEs while throwing.

Posted by: Keiser | November 6, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

No. I just think that the people have spoken on JC and the front office. but hear are the facts. Vinny needs to clean out his office. Danny needs to have a meeting with the yankee front office. we need to over haul the o line. trade CP while we still can. fire the coaching staff. i think that zorn could be a good coach but the guy need to pick his staff bring in guys who can help him. then throw out his version off the WCO either that or make him the QB coach and start freash.

Posted by: MGDMaster21 | November 6, 2009 5:23 PM

I'd love to trade Portis however with his contract and diminished skill set there would be nobody calling for him. I'd throw in a 6th rd pick and give him away to get rid of his contract.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 6, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"He really has a great feel for anticipating throws. His efficiency is outstanding," Zorn said.


Again: accuracy can not be taught and there is no system that enables it.

Let's draft a gy who's an efficient college quarterback that's had a ton of time on the field to prove he has what Zorn sees it Matty Ice: ability.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 6, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

1. There has been no ATTEMPT to go to a spread offense, nothing, they just do the same thing over and over and expect things to change.

2. JC is EXPONENTIALLY better out of the gun, not to mention the added time he gets, so why run the gun all game long??

this is where jz to me, is stubborn, and its to his own peril.....

fine, its not working here, but for your next employer, what is he seeing?? Zero adaptations, zero adjustments, zero creativity....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

jeez Greg, I find myself agreeing with you again this week.

I think there is a subtly involved in all this.

First Vinny sold Danny on the WCO. In part, its what Vinny wanted, but I'd bet that a major part was that Vinny wanted his stamp on this team. He started doing that no more than half a nanosecond after Joe Gibbs left the building.

The WCO decision led to Zorn. If Zorn runs an offense that looks like a Gibbs/Saunders offense, Vinny looks like a fool and Zorn is out of his element.

Last season, Zorn started with the WCO, but modified it a bunch after the embarrassing opening game loss to the jints. His changes fit the players better. And it worked. Until the OL collapsed.

Then came the offseason ...

Behind closed doors, I'd bet that Vinny and probably Zorn said that the WCO wasn't fully implemented -- and that was a major reason for the bad second half of 2008, not just the OL issue.

I think they both staked their reputations on the WCO to Danny. 2009 has been a case of 'make the WCO work or die trying'.

Pretty clear which way that one is going.

Its all over except for assessing blame. Snyder alone has that call. Me, I'd blame Vinny and Zorn, not Campbell. But I know how important my opinion is to the guy in charge.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Its all over except for assessing blame. Snyder alone has that call. Me, I'd blame Vinny and Zorn, not Campbell. But I know how important my opinion is to the guy in charge.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2009 5:22 PM

Agree Zeke. Both Vinny and Zorn IMO have to shoulder the blame.

Although JC is not a top level QB, he was definitely put in a position to fail by not using him in a "system" that utilizes his strengths better. Though this is true of many of the players on this team.

Let's just hope that this monumental failure will see both of them out the door.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 6, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Does Soup ever talk to anybody on the sidelines during the game? (besides the great Gazooo)

Posted by: edvar | November 6, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

All I know is last season Ryan stepped into a team that was 5-7 the previous year.. had the whole Micheal Vick distraction, new HC, new system and as a ROOKIE let the team to the playoffs.. Campbell walked into the camp of a 9-7 playoff team.. no off field distractions.. yeah he had a new head coach and system too. but he was a 4 year veteran.. and the Skins went 8-8, no playoffs. Zorn is praising Ryan because Ryan is a MUCH BETTER QB!!! Zorn must be thinking how unlucky he is saddled with Campbell..

Posted by: sovine08 | November 6, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

ryan is lucky he didn't have zorn to screw him up.

Posted by: jmy999 | November 6, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

We may have actually seen a turning point in the maturation process of Mr. SNYDER. The realization may have actually dawned on DANO that he is NOT God's gift to the NFL and WASHINGTON REDSKINS. If RIGGO pushes him over the precipice of truth into a nirvana of self-examination, great!!!!!! And let's have more of it.
Posted by: glawrence007 | November 6, 2009 5:47 PM

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 6, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

jason campbell: "hey coach what's the game plan?"
jim zorn: *explains gameplan including pie charts and venn diagrams*
jason campbell: "why don't you call more shotgun"
jim zorn: *slaps hand to forehead and breaths a deep sigh*
jason cambpell: "can we use more shotgun, that's the only way i can make a throw"
jim zorn: "man i really wish we got jay cutler"

Posted by: BMACattack | November 6, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Gawd... Zorn is such an assbag.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 6, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

ryan is lucky he didn't have zorn to screw him up.

Posted by: jmy999


True True True...Zorn messed this all up and he and Vinsanity will be History at season's end

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 6, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Of course, Zoron the Moron also offers similar praise for JC17 -- which only goes to show me the coach is clueless when it comes to evaluating such talent (or lack thereof).

Posted by: Vic1 | November 6, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is such an assbag.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

True True True.....Zorn's an assbag

Posted by: jcnjcnj | November 6, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

can someone start a list of all the things that this team has done wrong with personnel moves over the past 10 years. that would circumvent a lot of this stuff.

Posted by: nick87 | November 6, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

It's called the "Redskins Insider" blog, from 2006-2009, during Jason La Canfora's reign of terror.

Posted by: Barno1 | November 6, 2009 4:50 PM
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Get the sand out of your vag1na, you d0uche. Oh boo-hoo, a reporter isn't telling the fans about the 1 or 2 postive things that go on over at the dysfunctional Redskins Park. I'm gonna blame the media for it. Oh boo-hoo. Tell us how Vinny dresses up as Santa on Xmas or how Synder flies players families around on Redskin 1. Oh boo-hoo, the Post just hates the 'Skins, just hates 'em.

You know what though Barno? You can dress up a turd all you want with positive news but it's still a turd.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 6, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Here's my analysis of Snyder...

Snyder took over this team at a very young age and had been successful in every other business venture. Don't discount that he was a fan which jades his ability to make sound judgements.

He has money to spend and sees the Redskins as his "toy"...away from his real business. As many young, powerful rich people do, they fire anyone they deem as threatening...enter Marty Schottenheimer. Like a true FAN Snyder wants to see bog points on the board so he hires Steve Spurrier to bring his "high powered" offense to the pros, but never has built the personnel and talent to do it.

Gibbs comes back and he gets high marks for bringing Gibbs back into the fold, but wait...Gibbs nor Cerrato have been good with personnel, so once again, a mediocre period.

Now in fairness to Snyder, there was none of this outrage when we were one Carlos Rogers INT away from the NFC Champioship. Snyder didn't have a "dark heart", or was a "fu*khead" etc. EVERYONE was on the bandwagon.

The team is losing now and people think that the more names they call Snyder the more he will take notice. That will only cause him to dig his heels in more, because he's always been the underdog and used to people hating him cause he's young and rich. He will only take notice from NFL people that begin to clown him. The more "fans" pile on, the more I dig in my heels.

I think Snyder will turn, not because of all the piling on, but because of the embarrasment coming from his cronies...not because of SICWIDIT, VIC, JM220, CHRISLARRY, etc.

Snyder will be forever damned if he does....damned if he doesn, because he doesn't talk. I think he needs to call a press conference at the end of the season and lay out his plan for his football team, who he will get to oversee it, and then fade to black.

You'll find my analysis to be accurate!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 6, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

One of the names thrown out to replace Vinny as GM is M Brown of the Skins. I think this would be a very smart move.

How about Doug Williams as GM? What thinketh the great minds of RI?


**Currently the director of professional scouting for the Buccaneers - he was promoted to that position in February - Williams understands talent, and how to inspire players; he has done it through his time in the NFL and the two years he spent with the defunct USFL.**

http://www.jocklife.net/news/nfl/washington-redskins-should-hire-doug-williams-general-manager-30034

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 6, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Zornball on Matt Ryan: "I think he's playing with confidence for a young guy. He really has a great feel for anticipating throws. His efficiency is outstanding," Zorn said today at Redskins Park. "You can really see his competitiveness. He is very competitive and very much into the game and knows what he is doing on the line of scrimmage. I think for a young guy to be able to handle as much as you have to as a QB, he's doing all of those things right."

So as the dance winds down, Z is doing his level best to get his last kicks in before he departs the scene. The above quote is a thinly (very) veiled jibe at Campbell. Earlier he said he occasionally makes play calls even though Vinny had told him that was Sherm's job. Will be interesting to see what other kicks the dude musters before he is history. Can Port-o-let be waiting in the on-deck circle for a Z jibe?

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | November 6, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

oh Barno1,
We lost to the Chiefs. Remember what you said before that game? Do you still think we will make the playoffs? Oh Barno1!!!!!

Posted by: hessone | November 6, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Does Soup ever talk to anybody on the sidelines during the game? (besides the great Gazooo)

Posted by: edvar | November 6, 2009 5:36 PM |

No he doesn't. The good ones chat up their OL and WRs on the sidelines to keep them motivated.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | November 6, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Does Soup ever talk to anybody on the sidelines during the game? (besides the great Gazooo)

Posted by: edvar | November 6, 2009 5:36 PM |

No he doesn't. The good ones chat up their OL and WRs on the sidelines to keep them motivated.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | November 6, 2009 7:11 PM

Watching Drew Brees pump up his team before each game I can't help thinking- There is a leader. Wish we had one.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 6, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Last season, Zorn started with the WCO, but modified it a bunch after the embarrassing opening game loss to the jints. His changes fit the players better. And it worked. Until the OL collapsed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2009 5:34 PM |

In the first half of 2008 Zorn used the Gibbs O out of necessity. He was the only coach on the team that knew the WCO - too many Gibbs holdovers. So he had to use Jansen at RT for run blocking and once the rest of the league figured out what he was doing (no WCO) they shut down Portis and Moss and that was it. The OL sucked from the get-go in 2008 (at least at pass protection) although it did get worse with the injury to Randy Thomas.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | November 6, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I just heard on radio that Marko is going to be active this sunday. Can someone either confirm or deny this?

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead

Here's what Zorn said earlier today:

"Yesterday I said I wanted to get Marko involved in our pass receiving game and he would be starting Sunday. That is patently false. Thomas will be starting Sunday unless someone else does, but I don't know. Whether or not Marko is involved in the pass receiving game remains certain however, but he will not catch the first pass thrown Sinday. Keep in mind he is working very hard during practice and will be involved in receiving, although not necessarily for the Redskins nor on Sunday. This might change, depending on circumstances."

Posted by: TheCork | November 6, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I just heard on radio that Marko is going to be active this sunday. Can someone either confirm or deny this?

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead

Here's what Zorn said earlier today:

"Yesterday I said I wanted to get Marko involved in our pass receiving game and he would be starting Sunday. That is patently false. Thomas will be starting Sunday unless someone else does, but I don't know. Whether or not Marko is involved in the pass receiving game remains certain however, but he will not catch the first pass thrown Sinday. Keep in mind he is working very hard during practice and will be involved in receiving, although not necessarily for the Redskins nor on Sunday. This might change, depending on circumstances."

Posted by: TheCork | November 6, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"Yesterday I said I wanted to get Marko involved in our pass receiving game and he would be starting Sunday. That is patently false. Thomas will be starting Sunday unless someone else does, but I don't know. Whether or not Marko is involved in the pass receiving game remains certain however, but he will not catch the first pass thrown Sinday. Keep in mind he is working very hard during practice and will be involved in receiving, although not necessarily for the Redskins nor on Sunday. This might change, depending on circumstances."

wtf does this even mean?!? now I've heard "coach speak" but I have no idea what the above is.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 6, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: hessone | November 6, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse


Reading RI these days encourages me to paraphrase a comment sometimes made about critics.

"RI bloggers come down after the battle and shoot the wounded."

Not everyone, of course, but if the foo shi-ats

Posted by: TheCork | November 6, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

The problem Cork is that RI bloggers only have blanks. Or maybe that's a good thing after the last two days...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 6, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Kelly got 5 weeks to demonstrate he deserved the starting WR job -- and failed. Kelly should be #5 WR and not dressing for games. Thomas should get 5 games to earn that job. If he fails, Marko gets his shot for the rest of 2009.

The important thing about dropping Kelly to the '#5 WR and don't bother dressing for the game' slot is that it lights a huge fire under Thomas and Mitchell.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

who cares what Zorn says? He also said ARE wasn't returning punts any more. Loser.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | November 6, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

The redskins need a new RB to replace/back Portis,in the next draft they should try to nabb the RB from Alabama-J.INGRAM

Posted by: BEE5N2002 | November 6, 2009 4:06 PM |

Man what is wrong which you? After all the trash talk on this blog about bamas you want the Skins to go and blow their #1 pick on one of those dudes? Sheesh.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | November 6, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Yeah...Kelly got 5 weeks of JC17 staring @ Moss and Cooley and settling for the throw short of the first on 3rd down. JC17 would go quarters w/o even looking his way. Unfortunately we can't take a mulligan for the 2008 draft but to be fair, we could have drafted Jackson and Royal and they would look like busts. I also bet 82 and 31 would still have their jobs in that scenario as well.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 6, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

wtf does this even mean?!? now I've heard "coach speak" but I have no idea what the above is.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 6, 2009 7:35 PM |

It is the babbling of someone with bipolar disorder.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | November 6, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Watching Drew Brees pump up his team before each game I can't help thinking- There is a leader. Wish we had one.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 6, 2009 7:17 PM


Agreed, but there's more. Did you see in the Monday night game where NO's center got hurt, and Brees immediately headed to the sideline and started taking snaps from the backup center? It was a heads-up move and demonstrated an awareness that I just never see out of Campbell.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 6, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: freakzilla | November 6, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

"Joey T says Riggo was out of line"

The battle of the Titans! Who's got the biggest mouth?

Posted by: edvar | November 6, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat -- I'm going to try to whip you this week in FF. Thanks for sitting out Adrian Peterson -- it gives me a chance!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Ricky--Actually there is an article in the Post today that brings up similar points to what you said. It compared Snyder to George Steinbrenner, who finally stopped meddling after the Yankees endured two decades worth of mediocrity.

Posted by: jiacinto | November 6, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

gee that means we still have 10 more years of mediocrity... screw the skins, let's go caps!!!

Posted by: joek443 | November 6, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

All I have to say......it takes time to rebuild a team.

And if you didn't think teh REDSKINS didn't start the rebuilding process in 2008....you are blind.

It takes more than a year to rebuild your DL & OL....

The DL was addressed this year.....the OL is next year.

It will be interesting to see what kind of players Thomas, Kelly, & Davis will be if a Redskins QB actually had time to throw to them much less made quicker decisions.

Now the question I wonder....if it is an uncapped year and with the # of crappy FA QBs out there.....Do you keep Campbell for another year or do you give Colt Brennan / Resign Chase Daniel to see what they got?

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | November 7, 2009 2:44 AM | Report abuse

" Did you see in the Monday night game where NO's center got hurt, and Brees immediately headed to the sideline and started taking snaps from the backup center? It was a heads-up move and demonstrated an awareness that I just never see out of Campbell.Posted by: freakzilla"

If your point is that Campbell is not as good a QB as Brees, who'd argue with that? He's also not as good as Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, or Ben Roethlisberger. Or Sonny Jurgenson, or Johnny Unitas.

Jason Campbell is an average NFL QB of the cautious, game-manager type. Plenty of those guys go to the playoffs on better teams than the Skins have put on the field.

The numbers suggest that if you put Jason on a team with a better line, he'd do you proud. Not in terms of TD passes, but in terms of few mistakes or turnovers.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 7, 2009 6:57 AM | Report abuse

"Do you keep Campbell for another year or do you give Colt Brennan / Resign Chase Daniel to see what they got?Posted by: GoonieGooGoo"

My guess is that the coaches believe that Jason isn't the problem and that Colt or Chase would do no better, and quite likely a lot worse. I'm thinking that if they thought Jason was the problem, they'd go with Collins in the short run.

Looks like the Skins are going to get a really high draft choice this year. Maybe in the top three. With Bradford having medical issues, I wonder if they'll go for a tackle, like Okung.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 7, 2009 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Dunno how many of you saw that Tennessee victory, but the reasoning behind starting Vince Young is that he's able to avoid the rush and complete enough short passes to move the chains and let the running game -- the Titans' real strength -- get out from under the defense. Probably hard for Vince to curb his natural impulse to throw downfield, but essential, because he'll turn it over. He's just not a very accurate passer at this point. I hate to say it, but he does remind me of Vick, though nowhere near as fast.

Watching that game with Young at QB, it's almost like looking at a Wildcat with a running back taking the snaps. Not quite, but almost.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 7, 2009 7:08 AM | Report abuse

By the way, this year's draft crop has at least two OTs who would have been drafted high last season -- Russell Okung of Okla State and Trent Williams of Okla U. Brian Bulaga of Iowa is one of those converted TE types -- they're a little harder to scout.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 7, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

My guess is that the coaches believe that Jason isn't the problem and that Colt or Chase would do no better, and quite likely a lot worse. I'm thinking that if they thought Jason was the problem, they'd go with Collins in the short run.

Looks like the Skins are going to get a really high draft choice this year. Maybe in the top three. With Bradford having medical issues, I wonder if they'll go for a tackle, like Okung.

Posted by: Samson151
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I see it as Zorn stuck his neck out to keep Campbell around and he will keep him in there to try to justify it. I think, however, that Collins is only marginally better and both QB's are gone after the season. If they are smart - and that is a mighty big "if" - they will draft offensive linemen next year and try to make do with either Brennan or a low cost QB.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 7, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

My guess is that the coaches believe that Jason isn't the problem and that Colt or Chase would do no better, and quite likely a lot worse. I'm thinking that if they thought Jason was the problem, they'd go with Collins in the short run.

Looks like the Skins are going to get a really high draft choice this year. Maybe in the top three. With Bradford having medical issues, I wonder if they'll go for a tackle, like Okung.

Posted by: Samson151
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I see it as Zorn stuck his neck out to keep Campbell around and he will keep him in there to try to justify it. I think, however, that Collins is only marginally better and both QB's are gone after the season. If they are smart - and that is a mighty big "if" - they will draft offensive linemen next year and try to make do with either Brennan or a low cost QB.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 7, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse


I see it as none of this crap matters.

They have to roll with who they have and JC still gives them at least an equal chance to win as Todd Collins and definitely a better chance than Colt.

Playing a backup at this point is irrelevant. None of our backups are winning anymore games for us, and the Skins are going to draft a new QB next year.

This whole project is a dead-man walking.

Everyone is just gutting out the long walk to the chair...

Posted by: p1funk | November 7, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Watching Drew Brees pump up his team before each game I can't help thinking- There is a leader. Wish we had one.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 6, 2009 7:17 PM


Agreed, but there's more. Did you see in the Monday night game where NO's center got hurt, and Brees immediately headed to the sideline and started taking snaps from the backup center? It was a heads-up move and demonstrated an awareness that I just never see out of Campbell.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 6, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse


Pumping up team? Taking practice snaps w/ backup center?

I'd be satisfied with a guy who can simply read defenses and go through his progressions.

Posted by: p1funk | November 7, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse

p1funk,
Thanks for spreading your rosey optimism this fine Sat. morning. I am with you that this season has very little to get excited about, but I would like to see Collins in there for a complete game just to see if it does make a difference. I disagree that drafting a QB next season should be a priority unless in some miraculous way they were able to address the offensive line through free agency. As I said, I think that would be a miracle, so draft the guys to protect the QB or otherwise you're just getting a multi-million dollar tackling dummy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 7, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

p1funk,
Thanks for spreading your rosey optimism this fine Sat. morning. I am with you that this season has very little to get excited about, but I would like to see Collins in there for a complete game just to see if it does make a difference. I disagree that drafting a QB next season should be a priority unless in some miraculous way they were able to address the offensive line through free agency. As I said, I think that would be a miracle, so draft the guys to protect the QB or otherwise you're just getting a multi-million dollar tackling dummy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 7, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse


Sorry for the doom & gloom.

When your WaPo headline is telling you about a mass-killing, and then you click the Sports tab for some "respite" only to be reminded of everything going on w/Skins, it's hard to generate good vibes.

Anyhow, I don't think our priority should be to draft a QB, I'm just saying that we are going to do that.

As far as Collins, goes. My feeling is "whatever". Start him. Don't start him. It doesn't make a difference to me. He's not gonna win games for us in this offense. When he took over Al Saunders offense it was a different story b/c he'd had about 10 years practicing it.

In this offense, he's just a weak-armed backup trying not to get killed by a pass rush.

Seriously, he had an entire half against the woeful Chiefs to show us something - anything. And he didn't. I didn't see quicker decision-making, and I didn't see him spreading the ball around effectively.

Why should we expect him to do any better against the better teams coming up on our schedule?

Posted by: p1funk | November 7, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Its all over except for assessing blame. Snyder alone has that call. Me, I'd blame Vinny and Zorn, not Campbell. But I know how important my opinion is to the guy in charge.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2009 5:22 PM

Your opinion might not resonate with Danny but it appears to be right on the money.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 7, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

And if you didn't think teh REDSKINS didn't start the rebuilding process in 2008....you are blind.

It takes more than a year to rebuild your DL & OL....

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | November 7, 2009 2:44 AM | Report abuse


If you think the Skins are in a "rebuilding" process, then you are deaf.

Vinny said it himself plain as day - he believes he constructed a playoff roster.

You don't "rebuild" with playoff roster.

Posted by: p1funk | November 7, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

If your point is that Campbell is not as good a QB as Brees, who'd argue with that? He's also not as good as Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, or Ben Roethlisberger. Or Sonny Jurgenson, or Johnny Unitas.

Jason Campbell is an average NFL QB of the cautious, game-manager type. Plenty of those guys go to the playoffs on better teams than the Skins have put on the field.

The numbers suggest that if you put Jason on a team with a better line, he'd do you proud. Not in terms of TD passes, but in terms of few mistakes or turnovers.

Posted by: Samson151

The point was about JC's lack of leadership skills. Not many (if any) QBs out there as good as Brees, but what is most impressive about Brees is how he leads his team. He gets them motivated. He does more than just think about playing the game, he is the leader and shows it.

Not only is JC not a leader, but IMO, the game has not slowed down for him. To me, it seems like his mind is in slow motion mode once he leaves the huddle. JC is a career backup on a non-WCO team IMO.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Its all over except for assessing blame. Snyder alone has that call. Me, I'd blame Vinny and Zorn, not Campbell. But I know how important my opinion is to the guy in charge.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2009 5:22 PM

Your opinion might not resonate with Danny but it appears to be right on the money.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 7, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse
I've been so depressed for a month now about the Skins. I've been reading, but not many comments. But it seems like we are getting a little more sanity back on RI. I agree with both of you, and I agree with pfunk1 and RSH also.

JC is not the problem. He is a good NFL QB, and can generate wins if he has some protection. The problem is with the OL, and that is a problem for VC. He should have drafted a top OL or acquired one in FA. He didn't! And I think JZ is a problem also. He is a good man, but does not seem to be able to adjust to the players. Unfortunately, I think he is in over his head.

We're not going to get rid of DS. But Boswell's article was dead on. DS needs to hire a GM and step back, run the marketing of the team, but leave football decisions to a professional.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 7, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | November 7, 2009 10:14 AM

Gotta disagree with you on this. JC is indecisive and lost out on the field. What other QB would have done the pump and go to Moss then throw to another receiver. JC set the play up perfectly then throws behind ARE instead of sticking with Moss on that play? This was not about the lack of blocking but poor QB play.

And your talking about what Collins did not show in one half of play against the Chiefs? JC has had seven games and has shown zero QB ability unless the other team goes to a prevent defense and the game is over for the most part.

I certainly don't think that Collins is the answer at QB, but I would rather see a QB out there that shows some football intelligence even if he has a weak arm.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Not only is JC not a leader, but IMO, the game has not slowed down for him. To me, it seems like his mind is in slow motion mode once he leaves the huddle. JC is a career backup on a non-WCO team IMO.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse
You may be right about JC, Curz, but I think we have to focus on OL this next year with our emphasis on either FA or our top pick in draft.

JC can be serviceable, and we can win with him if we protect him. If the league and union don't have a new contract, JC will be a restricted FA. I think we should offer him a minimum contract, while we shore up our OT's. Then he can be either a starter or a good back-up.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 7, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

fredie, I hope that the Skins do NOT draft a QB in this draft. OL should be the priority in this draft and hopefully a RB (though not in the 1st rd.

QB should be left for the 2011 draft. Build this thing right, from the lines out.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Football is a funny game. The less you have on your plate, the less you have to concentrate your efforts.

At the QB position your plate is much fuller than other positions, so you have to concentrate more.

Jim Zorn does not allow Campbell the full responsibility that his position calls for. If you listened closely when Gruden commentated the Redskins game, Gruden was flabergasted that Campbell was not allowed to make on the field adjustments to the Defense.

Zorn has been hell bent on executing the play called irregardless to how the defense lines up.

The best QB's audible and adjust constantly. Campbell isn't allowed free reign to do this.

Consequently, if Zorn just want the called play to be executed and the defense is clicking, adjustments/checkdowns once the play starts is only going to be marginally successful.

Thus, your O-line and your entire Offense looks bad because the Defense has figured out what you are doing before the play starts.

Great/Good defenses depend on anticipating what the Offense is doing.

This is a key to good defense, but if your offensive schemes and adjustments are so bad like the Redskins, then any ole' defense can stop you and make you look bad.

There is no way that we can just have piss poor no talent offensive players that is the cause of our offensive woes.

It is offensive gameplanning and coaching.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 7, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

certainly don't think that Collins is the answer at QB, but I would rather see a QB out there that shows some football intelligence even if he has a weak arm.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse


Again. My response is "whatever". Put Collins out there. Maybe when it's all said and done he'll make a couple more heads-up plays than JC, who knows? I still don't think we're winning any more games with Collins as opposed to JC.

But I don't really buy into the notion that Collins is more "intelligent" than JC. I think that tag was put on Collins b/c of what he showed in Saunders' offense. But was it an issue of "intelligence" or "familiarity"?

Collins had about 10 years working in/studying Saunders offense, so he could run it with a blind-fold.

In one half of football against the atrocious Chiefs Collins stat line was:

6/14 - 75 yards.

Keep in mind that 42 of those yards came on that one pass to Moss where they caught the Chiefs snoozing.

What is it that reasonably leads you to believe that Collins is more capable or intelligent in this offense than Campbell?

Posted by: p1funk | November 7, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

So the three headed play calling system gets the play in faster and they are able to get out of the huddle faster. How could that be faster than zorn calling the plays, especially if zorn uses a script that he does not deviates from.

Another example of zorn's incompetence.

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Lewis called the Redskins' passing plays from the coaches' booth using a color- and number-coded system because he is not yet familiar with the terminology of Zorn's West Coast offense. Lewis also decided whether to pass or run on each play. If he wanted to run, he told Smith on the sideline and Smith made the call.

Smith had never been so extensively involved in calling plays.

"It was cool," he said.

Smith relayed all the play calls from the sideline to quarterback Jason Campbell, who used a wristband to translate Lewis' calls into terminology he and his teammates have used since last season.

Campbell's wristband contained the entire offense.

"It was pretty cool because the play gets in a lot faster and we could get in and out of the huddle a lot faster," Campbell said. "It's like a book. You can flip the page."

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2009/112009/11072009/506171

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | November 7, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

It's my wager that JC17 wants no part of the Skins after this year.

I fully expect to see him walk and go to some new team where he might be able to compete for another starting job.

You can imagine how he feels about Snyder. And now he's started talking about how its preferable when they play on the road b/c they get to escape all the "negativity" associated w/ FedEx.

Sounds like the man has soured on D.C...not that I could blame him...

Posted by: p1funk | November 7, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

What is it that reasonably leads you to believe that Collins is more capable or intelligent in this offense than Campbell?

Posted by: p1funk | November 7, 2009 11:19 AM

Just the evidence that my eyes provide. From what my eyes are telling me, JC does not know where he wants to go with the ball before the snap. It appears that he cannot read what the D is going to do, so he very seldom has a plan.

You're right, it could be familiarity with a system that he was in for over ten years, but even so, he seemed to be able to "read" the defenses better than JC does.

I will admit to not ever watching coaches tape to verify my position, but who on here does?

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Just the evidence that my eyes provide. From what my eyes are telling me, JC does not know where he wants to go with the ball before the snap. It appears that he cannot read what the D is going to do, so he very seldom has a plan.

You're right, it could be familiarity with a system that he was in for over ten years, but even so, he seemed to be able to "read" the defenses better than JC does.

I will admit to not ever watching coaches tape to verify my position, but who on here does?

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse


I agree with you that JC often looks overwhelmed out there. But that doesn't mean Collins is going to be better. I empathize with the desire to see someone, anyone, other than JC try to run things. But when Collins got his chance against the Chiefs he was just as incompetent as JC.

Posted by: p1funk | November 7, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2009/112009/11072009/506171

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2009 11:20 AM |

MITCHELL MAY GET CALL

Rookie wide receiver Marko Mitchell said yesterday that he expects to be active for Sunday's game.

The Redskins' offense is in desperate need of some production from a receiver other than Santana Moss, and Mitchell could get the opportunity to provide some after being inactive for the last five games. As the Redskins' fifth receiver, his playing time on offense will be limited, but he expects to be involved in specific packages in certain areas of the field.

"If it happens," he said, "I'm going to try to make a play."


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It's about frigging time that Mitchell will get playing time. IMO Sherm Lewis wants to get his best athletes on the field in the red zone, regardless of their experience. That attitude is refreshingly different from Zorn's tired "he's still learning" b.s. Hopefully Zorn doesn't muck it up by making Mitchell inactive this week again.

Posted by: TWISI | November 7, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Any thoughts on Mike Sherman as the next HC? He was successful in Green Bay where he was both GM and HC. I always liked his physically run game. He knows the WCO as well, and knows the types of players he'd want to make it successful. I'm not sure Sherman would want to leave College Station to come to the internal and external madness that surrounds the skins.

Posted by: TWISI | November 7, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

beeb beeb for two dudes 4 qtrs.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 7, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

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