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Zorn on Snyder, Team Unity and Identity

More media members than usual attended Coach Jim Zorn's Monday news conference at Redskins Park, which was about what you'd expect. National reporters tend to pop up in bad times, and these are difficult days for Zorn after Washington's embarrassing 19-14 loss to the Detroit Lions at Ford Field in which the Lions ended a losing streak at 19 games. The heat around Zorn increased after the Redskins' 9-7 victory over the St. Louis Rams in Week 2, and the situation, obviously, has reached a boiling point.

Predictably, Zorn was asked about his most recent conversations with owner Daniel Snyder, whether he feared losing the team and a variety of questions about the team's problems. Zorn handled them well - remaining "medium" throughout the 12-minute session.

Zorn anticipates spending significant time with Snyder this week. "Having a loss, and trying to get out of there [Detroit], and all the press, we haven't spent a lot time," he said. "I'll be spending a lot of time with him as we go along this week."

As of Monday, Snyder had not addressed Zorn's job status or that of the coaching staff with Zorn, according to league sources. Much of the speculation about Zorn is based on how Snyder has operated in the past, but this coaching situation is unlike others that have occurred in Ashburn.

In addition to calling the plays, Zorn also is heavily involved in coordinating the offense and working with quarterback Jason Campbell. If Snyder made a coaching change in Week 4, he would have to fill several jobs just in replacing Zorn. Of course, it could be done, but that's a tall order.

Another element in the situation is Zorn's ability to command respect among players. Tight end Chris Cooley and wide receiver Antwaan Randle El said they are totally behind Zorn, and other players publicly and privately expressed support for Zorn on Sunday night and today at the complex.

The team is unified, Zorn said.

"I would be really surprised" if he "lost" the locker room, Zorn said. "I think we have excellent men in that locker room. I think that we have great captains. They handle a lot of that stuff.

"I think our captains are doing a wonderful job keeping our guys together. And just really keeping the positive things that are coming out of the game and just trying to alleviate some of those negative things."

Cornerback Carlos Rogers said the Redskins lack an identity on offense and defense. Zorn disagrees.

"We lost a game," Zorn said. "After a big loss like that ... there's a lot of things that go on through guys' minds. It is a thought. I don't have that thought."

By Jason Reid  |  September 28, 2009; 1:41 PM ET
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My problem with this team is our Defense. We claim to be one of the better defenses, but we can't stop people and get them off of the field. Our offense needs reps to get better, and they rarely have the ball. How are they ever going to get better? I don't see defenses like the ravens having these issues. If our defense was truly as good as we think they are, we could win these type of games.
The same thing happened in the Giants game, but everyone wants to solely blame the offense.

Posted by: Redskins001 | September 28, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

new qb.....blache will play the cb's even FURTHER off the LOS, and wont blitz once....pissed off about this defense....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I agree the defense hasn't been anywhere near as dynamic as advertised but let me point out that it hasn't given up 20 points this season. (Giants don't count cause of the 7 points on the Osi strip) We had a top 5 defense last year and did nothing. We have an above average one this year with the potential to get better, but DEFENSE IS NOT THE PROBLEM WITH THIS TEAM when you can't resemble a legit offense you can not win, its that simple.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 28, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 28, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

We lost a game," Zorn said. "After a big loss like that ... there's a lot of things that go on through guys' minds. It is a thought. I don't have that thought."

do you have any thoughts?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 28, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Let me ask the RI--

How many successful NFL coaches out there don't provide motivation, or play "psychological games" with their teams?

Zorn was quoted on another blog as saying he didn't have to "yell" at guys, or "play games" to get them to play better.

Geezus... this situation calls for a master motivator, not Mr. Stay Medium. Zman acts like he's on the hated Norv Turner's staff.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 28, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the Bucs benching Leftwich is a godsend. He kills the Redskins.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 28, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse


I can't get mad at the forth and 1 call, because you guys were mad at the three FG display against the Rams and I think that Zorn let that get in his head when he called the play. I do question why he wouldn't and many coaches do this, call a bootleg play to the other side of the field, It is almost impossible to defend this play because the motion of the defense is going to the left and if your QB is going to the right unless you have a LB or DE stay home, you should be able to walk into the endzone. But hey that's my 2cents.

Posted by: mudd94 | September 28, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

If The Legend of Zorno disagrees with Rogers' assessment that the offense and defense lack an identity, then why the F doesn't Zorn come out and clearly state, in words, what our identity is?!

I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore!

Posted by: jgarrisn | September 28, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

We have an above average one this year with the potential to get better, but DEFENSE IS NOT THE PROBLEM WITH THIS TEAM when you can't resemble a legit offense you can not win, its that simple.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 28, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

How can you say that? A rookie QB engineered 4 scoring drives of 80+ yards. A legit defense? Cloaked in failure.....

Posted by: ksquare | September 28, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ksquare | September 28, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Last year and years before I saw the defense flying around, violently throwing their bodies to make tackles or to disrupt plays. This year it doesn't seem that way, almost like they're playing not to get hurt. Something has changed!

Posted by: isonic1 | September 28, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

zj, did you watch that 3-game vet matt stafford SHRED this team yesterday. blache should have brought the house..over, and over, and over, and over, until Matt was waving a white flag from getting pummelled.......we sat back and let them punch us in the mouth, and did nothing......appalling...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

RITCA, We are basement dwellers b/c all the teams you mentioned don't look at themselves as contenders year in and year out like the skins
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I'm sure you were singing this same tune last year when we started out 6-2 (beating Arizona, New Orleans, Dallas, and Philadelphia) in four straight weeks.

Posted by: RITCA | September 28, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I agree the defense hasn't been anywhere near as dynamic as advertised but let me point out that it hasn't given up 20 points this season. (Giants don't count cause of the 7 points on the Osi strip) We had a top 5 defense last year and did nothing. We have an above average one this year with the potential to get better, but DEFENSE IS NOT THE PROBLEM WITH THIS TEAM when you can't resemble a legit offense you can not win, its that simple.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 28, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Let me point out that it hasn't given up 20 points because it let's the other team gain 3-5 yards whenever it wants. We don't take the other team off the field. They'll only score 19 points yet they'll control the time of possession by almost 20 minutes. We only had the ball a third of the game. It's not that the defense is giving up big plays, it's that the defense is giving up a whole lot of small plays.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 28, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The case of the Jolly Cabbie.

There was once this Jolly Cabie who was given a nice car to drive, but he could never find his destination without getting lost and crashing his car.
"It wasn't my fault" the JC would say "I am new at this job".
The boss understood and he found him a good man to teach the JC how to find his way without incidents. But no much improvement was seeing.
"It wasn't my fault" the JC would say "I have a new coach"
The boss understood and he found a specialist to assist the new coach and concentrate only on the JC method of driving. But the JC kept on getting lost.
"It wasn't my fault" the JC would say "I have a new coach with a new system and the car is not good".
The boss understood and he bought a new car and with it he brought a legendary hall-of-fame driver with all his mechanics to help the JC learn to find his destination without major problems. But the JC kept on getting lost.
"It wasn't my fault" the JC would say "I have a new car and now a new coach with new mechanics and a new system".
The boss understood so he pleaded with everyone to have patience and give the JC time to adjust. But the JC kept on crashing the car.
"It wasn't my fault" the JC would say "I can't drive a car that restricts the way I drive, the wheels are bad"
The boss understood so he got him a new coach, new mechanics, new wheels and pleaded with everyone to have patience. But the JC kept on getting lost and crashing the car.
"It wasn't my fault" the JC would say "I have new wheels, a new coach with new mechanics and a new system but the engine is now faltering".
The boss understood so he got him a new engine. But the JC kept on getting lost and crashing the car.

Everyone blamed the boss for being a mean person who meddled with the JC and never let the JC learn how to drive his car without getting lost and crashing.
The boss didn't know what to do. He had changed everything but the JC, after all he was such a good Jolly Cabbie.

Moral of the story? Look out for the JC.


Posted by: hock1 | September 28, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

DC's O was 2-10 on third down. That's the main reason the D was on the field so much. Doc Walker said Cooley was open all day, yet he only had three catches. More blitzing by Blatche would've been nice too.

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

No its this simple: The whole team sucks. Its broken from every possible vantage point. Stop the he said she said about various aspects. They all suck.

Once you accept that, its easier and you can drop the agita of all the "if only..." and focus on this:

What mutha humper is going to stand up and say it starts with me, lets rebuild after the fire! One good catch, a good drive, tackling with fundamentals, puting somebody on their azz, playing with passion, pride in your job, taking blame.......

This is a grab your nuts and take a stand moment. It's game 4. SOMEBODY has got to be willing to lay it on the line and say follow me!

One heart, one mind, can't lose! (ok I stole that From Friday Night Lights....)

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Going for it on 4th&goal was fine, but running left like WE ALWAYS DO maybe wasnt the best play call though we should have scored the td.

Whiny Mike Sellers didnt touch a single Lions player on that run. Great lead blocking Mr.ProBowl!

Posted by: divi3 | September 28, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

and before anyone states the obvious....(i.e. look how the Skins finished last year)...we didn't know that at 6-2. We were all talking MVP for Campbell and Portis and planning our Super Bowl trips.
As much as this loss sucked, as much as the "state of the Redskins" sucks, we can right this ship without a mutiny.

Posted by: RITCA | September 28, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Zorn anticipates spending significant time with Snyder this week. "Having a loss, and trying to get out of there [Detroit], and all the press, we haven't spent a lot time," he said. "I'll be spending a lot of time with him as we go along this week."

Yeah... The HC spending valuable hours with the owner who knows nothing about football instead of game-planning and preparing... Yep, that's a great idea...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 28, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I can't get mad at the forth and 1 call, because you guys were mad at the three FG display against the Rams and I think that Zorn let that get in his head when he called the play. I do question why he wouldn't and many coaches do this, call a bootleg play to the other side of the field, It is almost impossible to defend this play because the motion of the defense is going to the left and if your QB is going to the right unless you have a LB or DE stay home, you should be able to walk into the endzone. But hey that's my 2cents.

Posted by: mudd94 | September 28, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse


I have to say that I totally agree with you. I was saying to take the three points to put the points on the board, but I didn't hate going for it on 4th down, but the call to run left was the worst play calling that I had seen in a long time. I thought running a bootleg right, play action, would have been a great call, but zorny just likes to run it to the left.... and everyone knows it....

Posted by: PanteraCFH | September 28, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Coat,
If parcells gets tired of the Miami project, we've got an even bigger challenge for him.
Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 28, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Parcell's team 0-3?
Posted by: will_ga | September 28, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Yes we are. Against Atlanta (away), Indy (home) and San Diego (away). No basement dwellers there as all 3 were playoff teams last year and may all be again this year....

Hi Greg, I'm good work-wise, grumpy team-wise. I despair of the Fins secondary as they apparently went to the DeAngelo Hall school of cover cornering. :-) Someone needs to tell them that they don't have to provide an escort for the receiver all the way to the end zone, they could actually tackle him if they want!

By the way, all that guff about your defense being tired on that long Lions drive yesterday? Trying asking the 84-play Indy defense about being tired on the field and then review how they played against the high-powered Arizona offense 6 days (and several thousand miles) later!

Too many excuses, not enough accountability.

Posted by: Redcoat | September 28, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Redcoat | September 28, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Our defense is the #1 problem with this team. We can't have an offensive identity or any cohesion without being able to put a few drives together per quarter.

Who lets the Lions score a 99 yard drive with a rookie QB? Our defense, that's it. And it was the first quarter after a 10 play drive from the Skins...where's the excuses about being tired, blah blah blah?

Zorn doesn't need to go, Blache does. He is a horrible D coordinator.

Posted by: Section104 | September 28, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

and what kind of crap call was the last play of the game? Does zorn think that lateral BS had any chance of working? Seriously?

Throw the dam* ball into the endzone

Posted by: divi3 | September 28, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

If you watch the replay of the 4th-and-1 play, Samuels absolutely creamed the Lions D-Line, blocking down and knocking 2 or 3 guys over. The problem is that the Skins had Dockery pulling out and running around Samuels to block out on the DE and LB.

DUM DUM PLAY!!!!!!!!!

JUST BLOCK STRAIGHT AHEAD!!!!!!

On 4th-and-1, there's not enough time to be pulling and running around. The guys want to get it done, give them a chance. Straight ahead blocking would've smoked the Lions D.

Zorn needs to just get out of the way and let the guys play.

Why doesn't he let Sherman, the Offensive Coordinator, call the plays and just be the head coach for once? It could not be worse!!@!!!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | September 28, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The number #1 problem: Everything.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn doesn't need to go, Blache does. He is a horrible D coordinator.

Posted by: Section104"

That's just nuts. The defense is the ONLY reason this team wont be 0-16. The offense has scored 20 pts ONE TIME in the last 12 games or something.

That is pure, unadulterated CRAP.

Posted by: divi3 | September 28, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Vinny of course needs to be fired, but when you have Orakpo, a pass rush specialist, getting burned b/c he's trying to cover Pettigrew in man coverage--that's 100% on Blache. Shameful misuse of a defense and it came to a head yesterday. Blache, like Zorn, is just too vanilla to call plays.

More on Zorn: In his press conference a reporter asked him about the last play of the game. The scary part: he said that was a designed dump-off play to get big yards, and that's why JC didn't throw the end-zone hailmary.

Posted by: pgugino | September 28, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

For everyone saying that Zorn is predictable, I sure as hell didn't expect that fourth and goal call. My mental conversation went something like this.

Brain: Ooooh, going for it...

Brain: Risky...

Brain: Well, he definitely won't run wide left again. Not after doing that last week and it not working.

[pause]

Brain: OH MY GOD, HE DID THE SAME EXACT THING AS LAST WEEK AND GOT THE SAME EXACT FAILURE!!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE HE DID THAT TWO WEEKS IN A ROW!!!!

Fist: *strikes ottoman*

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 28, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think that Lions game helped them find their identity; on offense they're a team that can't run the ball and needs to pass to move the chains (which isn't necessarily a bad thing if guys would stop being lazy and throw some downfield blocks); on defense they're a team that gives a nice cushion so opponents can dink and dunk their way down the field, and then they cram the middle and hope to hold them to a field goal. That's been their defensive identity for years and I don't see it changing.

Posted by: mmeixler | September 28, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

oh, and on that 99yd drive Zorno gave the Lions another down instead of making them kick a 50yd field goal...somehow managing to ruin the defense as well as the offense in this one.

Posted by: divi3 | September 28, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Team needs leadership..Favre would've helped this team, but he stated clearly that there would be no way he'd play for the ForeSkins under Snyder..The best hope for this team is that 2010 remains a capless year, and Snyder tries to buy a championship, forking out millions...Otherwise, the only circumcision that will prove effective, will be severing the owner..

Posted by: frak | September 28, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

DC's O was 2-10 on third down. That's the main reason the D was on the field so much. Doc Walker said Cooley was open all day, yet he only had three catches. More blitzing by Blatche would've been nice too.

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

No, the reason the defense was on the field is because they couldn't stop the Lions on third down. They drove ~90 yards on 3 different drives and chewed up 22 minutes of the clock. We only had 3 possesions in the first half. You can't hang that on the Skins offense. If it really was the Skins offense then we would have had more than 10 possesions the entire game and more than 23 minutes time of possesion.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 28, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

DC's O was 2-10 on third down. That's the main reason the D was on the field so much. Doc Walker said Cooley was open all day, yet he only had three catches. More blitzing by Blatche would've been nice too.

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 1:59 PM

That doesnt excuse the long drives which featured the Lions getting every third down. If Stafford was any kind of accurate they would have scored at least two more tocuhdowns. Bryant Johnson owned Carlos yesterday. Every third down he was open on a slant. The Skins gambled that Stafford could not beat us with anybody but Calvin Johnson and lost.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | September 28, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Like me, Snyder's Jewish and today's Yom Kippur. If he's going to do something on Zorn this week I'd say he's waiting until sundown when the holiday ends.

Posted by: rawk | September 28, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

JohnnyRyde, it really is that bad, isn't it? And we're not even getting paid million$ as a defensive coordinator to stop him.

Posted by: pgugino | September 28, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I just stood up, took pride in my job, grabbed my nutz, said follow me, and put my boss on his azz.

Hope it works, cL. Hope it works.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 28, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Otherwise, the only circumcision that will prove effective, will be severing the owner..

Posted by: frak | September 28, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

While true, I belive it should be a briss, no?

Posted by: ksquare | September 28, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"If it really was the Skins offense then we would have had more than 10 possesions the entire game and more than 23 minutes time of possesion."

How many points did we score? Plenty of blame to go around yesterday, but when your offense NEVER scores 3tds...they are the main culprit. And will continue to be until we are losing games 37-32

Posted by: divi3 | September 28, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

To be the team that potentially helps Detroit and Tampa gets their first wins in back-to-back weeks... I mean, what a spirit of philanthropy. It just warms my heart.

But it shouldn't stop with Tampa, oh no, we should continue providing this service if Carolina and Kansas City remain winless when we meet.

We can't go back in time and lose the Rams game, people, but we CAN pay it forward.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 28, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

How many points did we score? Plenty of blame to go around yesterday, but when your offense NEVER scores 3tds...they are the main culprit. And will continue to be until we are losing games 37-32

Posted by: divi3 | September 28, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

You can't score if you don't have the ball.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 28, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Our running game is terrible, but I do think the passing game is getting better week to week. We need to trade Portis. His unwillingness to practice does not help the team. Sure he's got talent, but that's not enough. He needs to be willing to work.

And our defense isn't aggressive. They sit back and try to prevent the big play rather than dictating the pace of the game. If Zorn goes I hope they bring in someone in the mold of Singletary or Rex Ryan who'll demand some accountability.

Posted by: mmeixler | September 28, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

The answer to our problems is that we need continuity and consistency. Which means a real GM, a football man. We shoud have drafted the heir apparent to Portis two years ago, like the Eagles did with Westbrook (McCoy) and the Ravens did with McGahee (Rice). Someone with the ability to draft quality young O-linemen instead of 3 receivers in the same round who we never look for in patterns. Someone who wouldn't hire a coach who commits major strategic and play-calling gaffes that costs your team points and victories.

How can Zorn not throw into the end zone four times in a row at the end? Why does Campbell disappear at times with mental lapses - dropping the ball, throwing to the wrong receiver. On one key third down on a drive at midfield, Campbell threw behind a double-covered Moss, and El was crossing the other way all alone and might have even scored. Also, on the 4th and goal on the opening drive, the naked bootleg was wide open. If Campbell fakes that handoff to Portis, Campbell walks in. No creativity. This sucks.

Posted by: quinn3 | September 28, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

If it really was the Skins offense then we would have had more than 10 possesions the entire game and more than 23 minutes time of possesion.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 28, 2009 2:08 PM

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If you convert more than 20% of 3rd downs, the offense stays on the field longer and has more TOP.

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Doc Walker just said a couple of interesting things.

1) The offensive play calling has to be less of a dictatorship.

2) The defensive play calling is being affected because the offense can't score points. Blache has to call a conservative game the team can't afford to give up quick scores.

Posted by: TWISI | September 28, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Nice 4-12! Its starts with YOU!

(All game long me and my buddies kept from crying by laughing out azzes off by stating 'The Season Starts Now' after every play)

Snyder is culturally jewish but religously scientologist right. Or am I assuming that b/c of Cruise Cabal?

Maybe Zorns engrams are unharmonious

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

4-12....you might want to grab a box for your things.....oh and update your resume too...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

This team doesn't suck, just Zorn and Campbell. Don't throw it to the open receiver, throw it into the double coverage!!

Don't throw it to the guy who's open now, wait 2 seconds and throw it to the check-down guy who's double covered and 10 yards short of the 1st-down marker!

Zorn and Campbell are both too gun shy to be effective anymore. Zorn is trying to call the safe plays and Campbell is only throwing to Cooley and Moss when it counts, even if they are double covered. Zorn and Campbell need to get out of town ASAP!!!!!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | September 28, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

Let 2010 be uncapped....

Cut everyone older than 27 or 28 or who has a huge cap hit.

Keep Horton, Cooley, Kelly, Thomas, JC, Reed, ALbert, Jarmon, Rocky, Marco, Orakpo.

Trade anyone who we can get a draft pick for.

Sign as many draft picks as possible.

The remaining holes: sign young free agents to frontloaded contracts.

Isn't this our only chance of not having a repeat performance for the next 10 years?

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 28, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

And, oh yeah, start over with a new coach, D coord, and GM.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 28, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Mmeixler

Even if the brass agreed to trade Portis, Who is going to take a diva running back who may be on the decline and is a serious cap hit?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | September 28, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Palpable bitterness Nate?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 28, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I've said it from Day 1 -- Greg Blache is an overrated def coordinator. He has no inventiveness at all and plays a contain defense that isn't predicated on causing turnovers because they don't swarm or pressure. Its a mentality that is very different from his predecessor Gregg Williams.

Carlos Rodgers is right - this team lacks an identity. Frankly at this point, I'd say our defensive woes eclipse our offense. At least our offense can move the ball. We may lack some depth on the O-line (Thanks Vinny!) but overall our offensive philosophy is still an aggressive one. Defensively we play far below our capabilities.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 28, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

If you convert more than 20% of 3rd downs, the offense stays on the field longer and has more TOP.

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

If you let the other team run 3 8 minute drives in the first half you lose TOP.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 28, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

King, the long drives were annoying and unacceptable.

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

We need to trade Portis. His unwillingness to practice does not help the team. Sure he's got talent, but that's not enough.

Who would trade for Portis? He has a huge contract and little ability left to offer. and a primadonna act to boot. Don't think anybody else in the NFL is that stupid.

Posted by: ksquare | September 28, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I find adding palpable bitters to my post-loss cocktail is refreshing and mixes well with my detached irony and supressed rage.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just me but I don't feel like arguing about who's to blame for the loss yesterday. It wasn't the offense or the defense or the coaches or Vinny or Danny, it was ALL OF THEM.

This team sucks.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 28, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

For the love of god, please stop trying to absolve Jason Campbell..."oh...he's the least of their problems...or...it's the playcalling...this kid has all the tools"

If the team SUCKS, Jason Campbell sucks. I have been a Campbell apologist, but this guy doesn't have it. We keep saying..."well if he just had a line...now that it's his sencond season in the same system, he'll light it up"

SHUT UP ALREADY!

NOBODY WANTED JASON CAMPBELL IN THE OFFSEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When was the last time, he put this team on his back and let them on a winning scoring drive?

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: rickyroge | September 28, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

We lost a game says Zorn.
We have lost 2 of 3 games.

Posted by: jmy999 | September 28, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

JohnnyRyde, it really is that bad, isn't it? And we're not even getting paid million$ as a defensive coordinator to stop him.

Posted by: pgugino | September 28, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Someone (sorry, forget who) posted yesterday saying that they were sitting at a bar and guessed the plays before the snap. The guy claimed to have gotten about 70% right and that if he, watching on TV could do that, a good defensive coordinator could have done much better without breaking a sweat.

Now, granted, this is the Internet and the guy could have been blowing smoke... but it's well within the realm of possibilities that their defensive coordinator could have studied film and been hitting a good 85% average on knowing what we were doing before we did it...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 28, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh, just realized you meant the Skins PLAYERS, not the fans. Oops. Looks like I got some 'splainin' to do...

Posted by: 4-12 | September 28, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

If you let the other team run 3 8 minute drives in the first half you lose TOP.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 28, 2009 2:16 PM

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And the second half???

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Team's identity:

Offense: Can't run the ball, can't convert 3rd downs.

Defense: Bend but don't break.

Overall result: Medium

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 28, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn doesn't need to go, Blache does. He is a horrible D coordinator.

Posted by: Section104"

That's just nuts. The defense is the ONLY reason this team wont be 0-16. The offense has scored 20 pts ONE TIME in the last 12 games or something.

That is pure, unadulterated CRAP.

Posted by: divi3

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I'm with section on this one. Sure the Defense is the reason we won 8 games last year, but if you look at the trend so far this year, they're getting worse. Offense is getting better. Defense should NOT be getting worse with the talent we added, yet they are? Reason: Coaching. Offense somehow getting better despite no new aquisitions... Readson(cringe) must be coaching. Not that I'm thrilled with our O. I'm just saying I think our weak/strong sides of the ball are in the process of switching, and by the end of the season our O will be better than our D. Based on that, I'd fire Blache before Zorn.

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Until Snyder leaves the team alone, we can expect the same results. The guy knows nothing more about football than you and I. The only difference is he is filthy rich. If the Cooke's could have kept the team, we would be so much better off.

Posted by: Redskins001 | September 28, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

And the second half???

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

We scored 2 TDs in the second half.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 28, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

it's well within the realm of possibilities that their defensive coordinator could have studied film and been hitting a good 85% average on knowing what we were doing before we did it...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 28, 2009 2:20 PM

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Jansen said that he gave the Lions all the info he could to help them win.

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm not defending the defense, that's funny, but I am saying the problems with this team are the same as they have been for a decade, our offense sucks.....the defense played badly yesterday, I'm not arguing, but is there a chance that the #1 overall pick with a superstar at WR might be decent? to say he's a 3 game vet and shouldn't be good ignores that he is a talented football player and was the top overall selection this year for reason.

I'm just saying in the list of problems with this team the defense is low on the totem poll. We had the ball plenty yesterday and ought to be able to muster more than 7 points while the game matters. JC got a 128 yards and TD in the garbage time yesterday to once again make his overall numbers look great. What they don't show is he flat out dropped two balls killing drives, should have had two more picks than he did, he got lucky his arm was hit on one cause he was throwing deep into triple coverage and followed it up by throwing a pick six that didn't happen thanks to Anthony Henry's CR22 imitation. All of that ignores the fact we had 3 rushing yards in the first half against DfreakingTroit and got dominated at the point of attack.

A defense that if its coach wasn't a bonehead and assuming 51 yard field goal would have been made would have only allowed 16 points isn't really all that troubling to me.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 28, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Just trying to think of this shabingus of a young season in a new and more positive way... what if we could see each game as an opportunity to spread joy and, yes, love among our opponents and their fans? What if we as Redskins Nation could offer ourselves up every week as a sacrificial lamb to make the world a better place, one loss at a time?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 28, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

We need to trade Portis. His unwillingness to practice does not help the team. Sure he's got talent, but that's not enough.

Who would trade for Portis? He has a huge contract and little ability left to offer. and a primadonna act to boot. Don't think anybody else in the NFL is that stupid.

Posted by: ksquare | September 28, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse


I agree Portis is overrated. When has he ever one a game for us, when we needed! The offensive problems are because we do not have a superstar player.

Posted by: Redskins001 | September 28, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"And the second half???

Posted by: Realness1"

The defense actually held the Lions to low TOP drives. The result? *GASP* -- we scored 14 points (for those having trouble with elementary math, that's a 28 ppg extrapolation).

OH MY GOD!!! A CORRELATION!!! WHAT A REVELATION!!! THE DEFENSE ACTUALLY GIVES THE BALL BACK TO THE OFFENSE, AND THE OFFENSE SCORES!!! WHAT A SHOCKER!!! WHO'D HAVE THUNK IT?!?!

Excuse my outburst. It seems as if capital letters makes the points more valid.

Posted by: psps23 | September 28, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Based on that, I'd fire Blache before Zorn.

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I think what irritates me the most about Blache and Zorn is their insistence on being conservative. Blache runs a vanilla defense -- and I don't really think that can be disputed when a rookie QB like Stafford suddenly resembles a 10 year vet -- and the offense is utterly predictable. If it was me, and plenty of people have said this, why not let it all hang out? Blache and Zorn have to know that unless things change their time is coming, so if you're gonna go down, go down swinging...

Posted by: mattylight | September 28, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

word....etrod....word...I have been saying that since 4:15 yesterday.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Just trying to think of this shabingus of a young season in a new and more positive way... what if we could see each game as an opportunity to spread joy and, yes, love among our opponents and their fans? What if we as Redskins Nation could offer ourselves up every week as a sacrificial lamb to make the world a better place, one loss at a time?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 28, 2009 2:25 PM

I like it Nate. And yesterday's headline can be:
"Washington Bails Out Detroit...Again"

Posted by: 4-12 | September 28, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

There is, and has always been, one problem and one problem only and that problem is Little Danny Snyder

Posted by: nativedc | September 28, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

can someone please knee nate in the crotch......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

...Nate, tell the truth, you're just thinking about a high first round pick, right?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 28, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

More media members than usual attended Coach Jim Zorn's Monday news conference at Redskins Park, which was about what you'd expect. National reporters tend to pop up in bad times, and these are difficult days for Zorn after Washington's embarrassing 19-14 loss to the Detroit Lions at Ford Field in which the Lions ended a losing streak at 19 games....by JReid

Now let me preface the following bit of sarcasm by saying I have always been a big supporter of JLC and his work while here.

But I have to ask. Did he show up, and if so was he wearing a crown, and if so how big of a pimp walk did he do coming into the interview?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

2-10 on 3rd downs....

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

SNYDER SELL OUR TEAM! maybe we just need to post this simple message on every message board until he realizes the problem is himself.

Posted by: Redskins001 | September 28, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I agree Portis is overrated. When has he ever one a game for us, when we needed! The offensive problems are because we do not have a superstar player.

Posted by: Redskins001 | September 28, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. Among the top teams in the league, which offensive player on the Skins is elite? Not a one....sans Cooley.

Saying your TE is your most dynamic offensive weapon is not going to get it done.

Posted by: ksquare | September 28, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

What if we as Redskins Nation could offer ourselves up every week as a sacrificial lamb to make the world a better place, one loss at a time?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 28, 2009 2:25 PM

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The Lambskins?

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

""Washington Bails Out Detroit...Again"

Posted by: 4-12

That was actually a headline on The Sporting News Website.....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

PS -- dude, Zman had to open up the offense down 2 scores.

Had they converted third downs in the first half, they would have kept the ball longer. A tautology, but still true.

The basic problem is a lack of scoring. The defense is limiting points, ranking with the best in the league in that category.

They should have drafted Oher, not Orakpo. The argument I made in April is still valid:

The NFL awards victory to the team that scores the most points in a game.

And 14 PPG is not going to cut it.


Posted by: dpc2003 | September 28, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of JLC here is where he just ranked us in his power ranking...

31. Washington — Saw the Motown loss coming. Lucky not to be 0-3 right now amid suspect talent evaluation.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I think what irritates me the most about Blache and Zorn is their insistence on being conservative. Blache runs a vanilla defense -- and I don't really think that can be disputed when a rookie QB like Stafford suddenly resembles a 10 year vet -- and the offense is utterly predictable. If it was me, and plenty of people have said this, why not let it all hang out? Blache and Zorn have to know that unless things change their time is coming, so if you're gonna go down, go down swinging...

Posted by: mattylight
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I second that, and I think we've actually seen Zorn respond. Everyone said after game 1 "We need to pass more", and we did. And then in game 2, we said "Be less predictable in your play calling patterns... and pass even MORE", and Zorn did that. To mixed results, but it seems like he's being less conservative every week on offense.

Defense is another story - WAY too conservative, not enough pressure, not enough disguise. Blache telegraphs where our defenders will be every. single. play. Peyton would put up 60 points on our D.

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Why are we blathering about Jim Zorn? He's only been here for 19 games. A loss like this has become commonplace since Jack Kent Cooke died.

There are 2 endemic problems with this team:

1. Snyder
2. Vinny

Since (alas), we can't get rid of #1, we'll have to settle for firing #2 and getting a REAL GM in here as soon as possible. Let that guy decide what to do with the coach!

Posted by: drischord | September 28, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Hi Nate! In that spirit of bonhomie that you mention, could you please retrospectively bench JC in our fantasy matchup please?

Otherwise I'll have to cheer the Panters on tonight and that makes me mad.

Posted by: Redcoat | September 28, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

D'oh. Beaten to the punch(line) by TSN.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 28, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Last year and years before I saw the defense flying around, violently throwing their bodies to make tackles or to disrupt plays. This year it doesn't seem that way, almost like they're playing not to get hurt. Something has changed!

Posted by: isonic1 | September 28, 2009 1:55 PM |
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I think the late Sean Taylor had a lot to do with that.

When other defensive players watch a man like ST play as if he didn't care about getting injured while trying to injure/intimidate offensive players, it motivated them to follow suit.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

but Coat look who the Panthers are playing.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 28, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

In the midst of our angst, college football is here to make us smile. Sign seen on tv during college gameday show from Penn ST:

http://deadspin.com/5368777/its-like-the-wheres-waldo-of-obscene-signs

Posted by: will_ga | September 28, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"Peyton would put up 60 points on our D.

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 2:34 PM"

No one has put up 20pts on the D this season (nyc got a defensive td). How many times has the offense scored 20?

The offense is one of the NFLs very worst in the red zone, yet players like Cooley, Moss, and Portis continually talk about how great they really are if only a few things went differently. Delusional

Posted by: divi3 | September 28, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

For the love of god, please stop trying to absolve Jason Campbell..."oh...he's the least of their problems...or...it's the playcalling...this kid has all the tools"

If the team SUCKS, Jason Campbell sucks. I have been a Campbell apologist, but this guy doesn't have it. We keep saying..."well if he just had a line...now that it's his sencond season in the same system, he'll light it up"

SHUT UP ALREADY!

NOBODY WANTED JASON CAMPBELL IN THE OFFSEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When was the last time, he put this team on his back and let them on a winning scoring drive?

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: rickyroge | September 28, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse


So, let me get this right. If Cutler or Sanchez were playing qb for the skins yesterday they would have won? JC could have definitely played better but is he the reason we lost ? No,he is not. We arent going to confuse JC with Elway but he is making progress every week. Its not his fault that veterans like Cooley and Moss are running routes short of the marker. He has thrown into double coverage a few times, but that is a step up from last season when he wouldnt dare. Im obviously a JC supporter, but I cant see how someone who is not can place the Skins' misfortunes this season on him.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | September 28, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

It's not every player on D either. There are guys who are giving maximum effort.

Horton, Fletcher, Doughty, and Haynesworth.

Huge contract notwithstanding, I was impressed that Big Al returned to play in that game yesterday. I don't believe I've ever seen an NFL player taken off the field on wheels and return to the same game.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"Its time to storm the castle, Im talking full on coup style. Sound the alarms signal the milita its time to act. The acts that have transpired for far to long under Snyder must be stopped. Grab your pitch forks and lanterns and head on down to the palace near the river with all the missing trees. Take actions do not stand for these injustices anymore. We all know who the problem and its starts with one man... he must be stopped at all costs!"

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No, not at all costs. There is a much simpler solution a BOYCOTT. It's easy and highly effective. Wearing paper bags or black tee shirtsto the game is incredibly stupid. You go to the game, you've been had! I mean really had. Snyder is no P.T. Barnum.

The goal of a boycott should be nothing less than to force Snyder to sell the team. If you signed one of those multi-yar season ticket deals, sorry.

Posted by: Pepper5 | September 28, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The pitchfork and latern were getting me lots of strange looks on the metro this mornin...

Posted by: Stu27 | September 28, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

So far Haynesworth is worth the money, props on that acquisition.

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"Huge contract notwithstanding, I was impressed that Big Al returned to play in that game yesterday. I don't believe I've ever seen an NFL player taken off the field on wheels and return to the same game."

They were saying the same thing on 980 this morning, except with the opposite meaning. As in, if he returned to play he didnt really need to be carted off. Insinuating something negative about Fat Al.

Posted by: divi3 | September 28, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"I can't put a finger on anything. No one in here is going to be able to," Cooley said. "Fortunately, as a player, I'm not the person who has to put a finger on anything. I can just show up here and I can just continue to work hard and "TRY TO DO MY JOB."

This is the main problem. If these players are still TRYING TO DO MY JOB, then it is no hope. Its like on the job training, are these guys training or playing. For all of the money these guys make, they should be doing there job, not TRYING. I mean if your paid like a pro bowler then show up and play like one perhaps. Not saying COOLEY is the problem but to me this describes so many of the Redskins players.

How did Haynesworth get hurt falling on himself. I don't care what no one says, a player making $100 mil IS SUPERMAN, Dammit play like it. His fat ass was suppose to get right up after that sack and instill some fire into that defense that he is viewed as a leader of. That was his moment and his fat ass just laid there cause he fell on himself, HOW DO THE SKINS KEEP DOING THIS TO THEMSELVES. But not to blame anyone there are a number of players in this mold. Portis and DHALL top the list though.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | September 28, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

We arent going to confuse JC with Elway but he is making progress every week.
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Really? After 5 years in the league he's "making progress every week?" That's good to know!

Perhaps after a full decade in the NFL, he'll be able to effect a game-winning drive.

Dare to dream.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I love a good authority bashing action, any time...any time. But, do you really think that a boycott is going to solve anything? Sure, after 10 years of bad press and non-fan love, Danny's going to look out at the stadium with a few more empty seats and say "Oh my stars! I've been doing this all wrong! Let me call Bill Parcells and let him run the team"

Ain't....gonnna....happen.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 28, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

At least our cheerleaders are still hottest in the NFL

Skins got 99 problems, but a b!tch ain't one

Posted by: jgarrisn | September 28, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Nationals will win the MLB Championship before the skins win the Lombardi trophy.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

No one has put up 20pts on the D this season (nyc got a defensive td). How many times has the offense scored 20?


Posted by: divi3 | September 28, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Divi,

No one is disputing that the offense needs work, but the defense was horrible yesterday, and hasn't played up to par yet this season. Let's be honest, when you sign DHall and AH to huge contracts and draft Orakpo you expect the defense to be elite, not just good. Look beyond the numbers -- the D has underachieved thus far.

Posted by: mattylight | September 28, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I used to love Portis and then some a**hole here posted about how he runs like he's looking for a good place to fall down. Now I see it every time. It's sad to watch when you can really see it.

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Simply put, Snyder HAS to fire Zorn. There is an old saying the nice guys finish last -- and Zorn is quite a nice guy and is living up to that saying in many respects. I don't see this team getting any better -- they have only gotten worse since last year, and this is after outspending every team in the league in free agency. The Redskins have one of the highest player payrolls in the league and exactly what has it gotten them -- nothing. This team can't play well enough to make the playoffs, or win the NFC East, or even be competitive in the conference. And now it appears, this team isn't even good enough to win games against the worst teams in the league. Supposedly this team has talent, supposedly Jason Campbell is a good QB, supposedly Clinton Portis is not past his prime, supposedly they have a good corp of wide receivers, supposedly they have a great defense that added D'Angelo Hall and Haynesworth, supposedly, supposedly, supposedly. But in reality they can't beat the Lions, they barely beat the Rams, and didn't look competitive against the Giants. That reality would place the Redskins near the bottom of the NFL.

Something has to change. I am a Jim Zorn fan, but I am a bigger Redskins fan. He HAS to go -- and he's not the only one.

Posted by: blackmanhl | September 28, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Its like on the job training, are these guys training or playing."

Skins had the easiest camp in the NFL this year, supposedly in an effort to "save" the players for the season.

Coincidence they dont appear ready to play from the opening gun?

Posted by: divi3 | September 28, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn has to just say fsjk it (or in his case gosh darnit) and have JC come out throwing all over. Use the shotgun and hurryup. Pass to set up the run. Barring a drastic turn around he’s going to sink with JC anyway. May as well go down swinging. If he can’t trust JC to do it then make the switch to Collins. Either way they need a spark in the worst way (Capt Obvious I know).

Posted by: skinswest | September 28, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"I don't care what no one says, a player making $100 mil IS SUPERMAN"

hopefully al never breaks a bone, or heaven forbid, has something like a compound fracture....cuz, he can't be coming off the field, just cuz the bone is coming out of the skin....fill that hole with some 1,000 dollar bills, and play on....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Rachel216, why are the Ravens so much better on offense this year?

RT Michael Oher 23 years old 2009 1st round
RG Chris Chester 26 years old 2006 2nd round
C Matt Birk 33 years old Free agent
David Hale 26 years old 2008 4th round
LG Ben Grubs 25 years old 2007 1st round
LT Jared Gaither 23 years old 2007 UDFA
(same college as Heyer)

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Support the Redskins!

FROM HOME !!!!!!!!!!!

BOYCOTT FEDEX !!!!!!!!


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Posted by: oldnova | September 28, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Nationals will win the MLB Championship before the skins win the Lombardi trophy.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Can Strassburg hit the deep post route?

Posted by: skinswest | September 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"Let's be honest, when you sign DHall and AH to huge contracts and draft Orakpo you expect the defense to be elite, not just good. Look beyond the numbers -- the D has underachieved thus far."

Why add those guys to the league's #4 ranked defense when it's the offense that is perennially the dregs of the NFL?

Because the problems start with ownership and management, not coaching (though clearly issues there too)

Posted by: divi3 | September 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Does your computer have a setting that requires you to type only in Bold or Italics?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 28, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

So far Haynesworth is worth the money, props on that acquisition.

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009

So far Ravens fans are laughing their heinies off at guys like you? They have 2 1st round picks on their offensive line. TWO. Both easily acquired by the Redskins instead? Instead we get Haynesworth and Hall? Two guys who seem unable to fit in the 4-3 defensive scheme of Greg Blache? Horse hockey dude!!! Look at the record? Look at the outlook? The Ravens are 3-0.

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I love a good authority bashing action, any time...any time. But, do you really think that a boycott is going to solve anything? Sure, after 10 years of bad press and non-fan love, Danny's going to look out at the stadium with a few more empty seats and say "Oh my stars! I've been doing this all wrong! Let me call Bill Parcells and let him run the team"

Ain't....gonnna....happen.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 28, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Pitchforks: 2 Boycott: 1

Posted by: Stu27 | September 28, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Does your computer have a setting that requires you to type only in Bold or Italics?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 28, 2009

How's that superduper AVERAGE back Portis doing eh? Any sparkling accolades to share about your hero ... bah what a loser...

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

LT Jared Gaither 23 years old 2007 UDFA

Actually Peri, he was a supplemental draft pick, not that is really matters b/c he's still ten times better than Heyer.

Posted by: forever8-8 | September 28, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

@periculum - Signing Big Al and drafting O-linemen aren't mutually exclusive. I was just talking about Haynes.

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Pitchforks Marching on Potomac?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 28, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Defense . . . offense . . . both need to have major adjustments made. On defense they play too conservative. This might be because of the offense being unable to score. In those situations you do not want to give up the big play. But, I look at the Jets and the way Buddy Ryan's son is bringing it in the Meadowlands. That Jet team has a defense that rips you apart. They are aggressive, mean and downright nasty. The Jets do not have as much talent at this Reskins defense. Maybe they should stop playing read and react and dictate to the offense a little.

As for the offense the big problem is Zorn. He needs to step back as offensive coordinator. He does not call a good fluid game. It is always all over the place. The concepts are good he just has a bad feel for calling a game. Hey, a lot of GREAT coaches have other people call plays. He needs to give up the play calling. There is no balance to what he does. The run is an afterthought and it seems he is always trying to pass the ball every play. Let someone else call the plays.

Finally, did we really expect anything more? Zorn has never been a coordinator before he got this job. He never had to deal with the team dynamics as a coach. The problem is the only way he can learn is by making mistakes. These mistakes will happen for at least another year as he learns. I guess Team Snyder has to ask themselves are they willing to wait. Hey, they are the people that picked a guy who never had these responsibilities. What did they expect? It was not going to be easy.

Posted by: zman1 | September 28, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

strange how a team with a strong o-line, that consistently drafts olinemen is doing well, and can punch it in... is there a lesson here? not that that will help the skins win sunday, i bet they draft a qb with the 1st round pick next year anyway and he gets unti pummeled until he is declared a bust.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | September 28, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Can Strassburg hit the deep post route?

Posted by: skinswest | September 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

No but I am going to guess Plush/Morgan would be a better running back then Portis at this point. And Demetri Young could probably be a good blocker.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS INTRODUCE NEW PREGAME ROUTINE

Hoping to break the dismal spell of a two-game losing streak, Redskins Head Coach Jim Zorn and his staff will put in a new series of plays for the pre-game warm ups this Sunday at FEDEX Field.

Recognizing that playing Metallica during practices before their last home game only got them 9 points at home against the hapless St Louis Rams -- and relentlessly playing Minnie Ripperton's "Loving You" during team practices only got them a measly 14 points against the even-worse Detroit Lions -- Zorn has decided that he needed to switch things up a bit and do something to build better team cohesion.

So when the Redskins take the field on Sunday against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the offensive team will congregate at the 20 yard line and start line dancing to "I Will Survive" by Gloria Gaynor -- the 1980s hit about an abused housewife who vows to fight on with her miserable life despite being hopelessly old, fat and ugly.

When asked for a comment, star running back Clinton Portis said he would just prefer to let his dancing do the talking -- but then pulled himself out of practice, claiming that his ankles are tired, sore and swollen.

Meanwhile, Redskin defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth says he'll be taking it easy this week -- at least until he hears a little more MC Hammer... "Can't Touch This."

Posted by: Vic1 | September 28, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

everyone has it wrong we need 1 thing and 1 thing only a real running back that would open up the flood gates for our recievers if teams new they had to put 8 in the box cause there was a real threat at running back i said we shoulda traded portis 2 years ago or even this past off season while he had value to another team but by the end of this season no one will want him and we will get no return from another investment way to go VIN-DOG

Posted by: all_this_bs | September 28, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

@periculum - Signing Big Al and drafting O-linemen aren't mutually exclusive. I was just talking about Haynes.

To quote DC Greg Blache: "we had defensive tackles last year" unquote. We need Offensive tackles first, then guards. The Eagles and Giants addressed this. The damned Ravens make it a habit to draft 1 -2 lineman in almost every single draft! And the Skins force guys with really serious, almost life threatening injuries to go out and ??? They did not need Orapko. They did not need Haynesworth. They needed to keep Springs and Hall and DRAFT OHER damn it!

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I agree the defense hasn't been anywhere near as dynamic as advertised but let me point out that it hasn't given up 20 points this season.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 28, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Lions Offense - This defense = "L" and 19 is damn near equal to 20 so give me a break. Call it like you see it, someone need to be held accountable for this. I hate excuses for these guys. These are some of the richest athletes in the game so call them LAIM MF'ers out.

I can't even make any money of this team unless they are favored heavily and I take the opposing team plus points. Because if the skins ever when it will only be by 1,2,3.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | September 28, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Maybe someone can answer this one about the Defense:

I see a lot of (good) teams at least pretend to blitz almost every single play. They bring their linebackers up really close to the line, and if it's not actually a blitz they run back into coverage as soon as the ball is snapped. This creates confusion for the O-line on every single play. Are they blitzing??? I DON'T KNOW!

Skins Defense on the other hand, either plays their LB's back, or shows them blitz and does so. Why not implement this incredibly simple maneuver to disguise your scheme somewhat.

Is there some problem with doing that, which I don't see?

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Does your computer have a setting that requires you to type only in Bold or Italics?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 28, 2009

How's that superduper AVERAGE back Portis doing eh? Any sparkling accolades to share about your hero ... bah what a loser...

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey thanks for asking. Yea Portis isn't having a great year, would your Hero Riggo be having a great year with this line or the amount of carries Portis is getting?

I doubt it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 28, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

the problem isn't just the O, or the D. It is a both. Both sides seem to lack intensity yesterday (all year for that matter) There are a few players who bring it, but there are too many just collecting checks. Detroit ran for over 100yards!!! and not having enough push to get one foot on 4th and goal when you where called out on that all week... there should have been som fire, a different level... the detroit d-line should have been picking themselves up in the parking lot, instead they were in the backfield.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | September 28, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

@periculum: The point is, we could have drafted O-lineman like you said, and still gotten Haynesworth. If you were talking about free agency that's different, but you were talking about the draft, we didn't use a draft pick on Haynesworth so... you're not making sense to me.

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think needs to happen...
1) Trade Landry (hopefully for a 2nd) I still think he can pull a pick that high
2) Try to trade Portis for 3rd rounder. If not, keep him
3) Draft OL in the first round
4) Draft OL and OLB in the second round
5) Draft LaGarrett Blount from Oregon (the running back who cold cocked the boy from Boise State)
6) Blitz Blitz Blitz Blitz

Posted by: ronjon629 | September 28, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

PORTIS HASNT BEEN A REAL BACK IN 2 YEARS

Posted by: all_this_bs | September 28, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

oh, and is it strange that the skins have been losing more now that they have d-hall? I mean maybe he brought the loser mentality with him from atl, and oakland... he is soft-off 12 yards off the ball on a 3rd and 3. if blanche wants to get off the field, press with the corners and blitz the $&^* out of the QB, the recievers won't be able (at least not cleanly) and the QB will have 2 seconds to throw... give him 4 with a weak blitz and you the d says on thte field.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | September 28, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

John Thompson on Zorn:

We can't keep changing. If Georgetown wasn't patient with me, I would have been fired early. I was under .500 my first year. I was .500 my second year. It wasn't until the third year I started winning. It takes time to get it right.

---------------------------------------------

The one I'd say is that it seems that this team is playing worse now, than earlier in Zorn's tenure. I'm starting to get medium with the whole situation, but I need some sign of improvement soon.

Posted by: TWISI | September 28, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

YEAH LAST YEAR HE HAD ALOTA YARDS BUT HE IS NO REAL THREAT TO BREAK ONE EVER

Posted by: all_this_bs | September 28, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I hope we cut everyone this offseason except for (Davis,Cooley, Rinehart, Orakpo, Horton) everyone else as far as I'm concerned can go. Then we hire a GM and start all over.
Personally, I want Parcells to come to Washington and slap Dan snyder/Cerrato, then clean house and get some good young talent in DC. We need a Parcels make over more than any team in the league

Posted by: ljhartnett24 | September 28, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Ledell Betts!

Posted by: nativedc | September 28, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

You can't score if you don't have the ball.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 |

The Skins can't score when the HAVE the ball!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone please explain why our corners play so far off of the ball? In theory what is this supposed to accomplish because it doesn't make any sense and it appears very easy for offenses to adjust to.
I watch a lot of football I don't see any other teams doing this.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | September 28, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

For all you Campbell bashers out there. You get upset when the Skins win and he doesn't throw a touchdown, then you get upset when they lose and he throws two. You claim that he is the problem because he doesn't put up numbers and then when he does, they aren't enough. He isn't decisive until he is calling his own plays and leading the team down the field to score, but it was against the prevent defense. The quarterback is not the problem with the team. There are some people on this board who refuse to see that. They even make up little stories about cab drivers.

Posted by: ronjon629 | September 28, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

5) Draft LaGarrett Blount from Oregon (the running back who cold cocked the boy from Boise State)

Epic Fail. No need for that idiot on this team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Zorn anticipates spending significant time with Snyder this week. "Having a loss, and trying to get out of there [Detroit], and all the press, we haven't spent a lot time," he said. "I'll be spending a lot of time with him as we go along this week."

There is the problem, Why is Zorn hanging out with Snyder in the first place, the owner should be anywhere but with Zorn.
Message to Snyder: stay out of the way! Go to 6 flags and enjoy the rides

Posted by: connskins | September 28, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Does your computer have a setting that requires you to type only in Bold or Italics?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 28, 2009

How's that superduper AVERAGE back Portis doing eh? Any sparkling accolades to share about your hero ... bah what a loser...

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey thanks for asking. Yea Portis isn't having a great year, would your Hero Riggo be having a great year with this line or the amount of carries Portis is getting?

I doubt it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 28, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Exaclty, the guys got a 4 yd average this year and we give him the ball 12 times against the Lions. You people are sick for hattin on CP. Find another team that dosent have a good backup and only gives their starting rb 12 touches.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 28, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

all running backs are average when they have no holes to run in, all look great when the holes are huge. see-(Shawn Alexander)when Hutchinson left to minn. and jones started getting hurt... he sucked, and they still don't have a great beack in Seattle... minn. on the other hand, they have that guy, oh what's his name, been tearing it up the last couple of years... A. Peterson something or other

Posted by: Burrasta1 | September 28, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is frutier than a truckload of oranges. His lack of practice in training camp and in the regular season (and Zorn letting him get away with it) is a perfect example of one of the problems with this team.

Getting rid of Marty S. is in the "Top 5" Dan Snyder F ups.

Posted by: richard_cranium | September 28, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Zorn needs to spend more time with Snyder, like Custer needed more Indians.

Honestly why is he wasting time with Danny boy. If he had the answers he would have taken credit for them long ago.

And therein lies the problem.

Posted by: georgepappas | September 28, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Since 1969(Lombardi era-albeit 1yr), for the past 40 yrs, I have so looked forward to this time of year, not for Fant.Football or wkly pools, but to see my beloved Skins play. Since the "Danny/Vinny Boy Show" began, this team has been run into the Ground!!! A True Disgrace to ALL similar loyal Skins fans.

Many good points here, & too many to comment on. The REAL problem, as it is with ALL successful franchises Begins @ the top. Mr. Wilbon's article Sun. morn. prior to this Debacle, about Dysfunctional Wisdom is so appropriate & to the point. Every Inane and incredulous decision by "Danny Boy" is chronicled there, & ALL Skins fans Need to pay attention. My point to that is Who in their right mind(that even Has one!) would bring someone w/Only QB's coaching experience up TWO rungs on the ladder to Head coach & EXPECT success?!?!?! THAT Right There Says it ALL!!!!

No offense to ZMan, as he's done the best he can, given his bkgrd. JC is also doing his best, given this is only his 2nd yr since HIGH School w/the same system in place 2 yrs in a row. This team, as duly noted by several others, Along w/it's Loyal, season ticket holding/back of the tailgating lot fans will Only be served once the "Owner Circumcision" is complete, including the Butt kissing Moron of a GM, who Insists on running what once was one of the most respected NFL franchises into it's own grave.

I've pretty much given up all hope, even after FORTY YEARS of unbridled loyalty, but the ONLY way they can possibly turn this season around is to do as one poster noted & just PUNCH EVERYONE ELSE IN THE FACE & play SmashMouth Football w/a Sense of Skins Pride that USED to be there!!!

No quick/easy fixes here, as Zorn will need to be kept the rest of the season to give "The Danny" the credit he so longingly seeks.

Zman's not the answer, nor is Blah-blah Blache & his defensive blunderous schemes as well.

Sny-Ratto's Gotta Go, & Then we will have Some semblance of hope again.........

Posted by: XSkinsFAN | September 28, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

bean

We need some idiots, fools, crazies or something on this team. He is a load at RB and was projected as a 1st round talent before this year started. Plus, he hates to lose. DHall seems like he is getting frustrated. Noone else seems willing to do anything other than tote the company line

Posted by: ronjon629 | September 28, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

too many good guys on the team, not enough rip off your head and crap down your neck guys

Posted by: Burrasta1 | September 28, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

5) Draft LaGarrett Blount from Oregon (the running back who cold cocked the boy from Boise State)

Epic Fail. No need for that idiot on this team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I don't know Bean. I am all for somone talking trash to me because there is no doubt I talk trash. However, once you put your hangs on me than you got to take what comes next.

Posted by: jm220 | September 28, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

see, and there's the problem - this team plays JUST well enough to be in the game - no one flying around, no one making that drive stopping play, no coaching or play calling to put some one in the position to make a great play. No drive, no motivation. They show up, and play just well enough to stay in the game.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 28, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Rodney Harrison: "It's many problems dealing with the Washington Redskins. One problem in particular is Jason Campbell, the quarterback. I don't know what they see in this guy. To me, he's a backup quarterback that's been elevated to a starter. He's a guy that's unpredictable. He's inconsistent. He's not a guy that defensive players look at and fear."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

rj, again, no thanks...how many yards did he say he was gonna run for, versus how many yards did he actually run for?? Skins have bigger needs than this idiot...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Just my 2 cents on the 4th and 1 call...when was the last time this team ran a QB sneak? Not that we have a 6-5 235lb QB or anything. I'm not second guessing the decision, just the play call.

Posted by: JCNKY | September 28, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

OH MY GOD!!! A CORRELATION!!! WHAT A REVELATION!!! THE DEFENSE ACTUALLY GIVES THE BALL BACK TO THE OFFENSE, AND THE OFFENSE SCORES!!! WHAT A SHOCKER!!! WHO'D HAVE THUNK IT?!?!

Excuse my outburst. It seems as if capital letters makes the points more valid.

Posted by: psps23

So why didn't the offense score when they did have the ball in the first half?

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: siessmack | September 28, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Adrian Peterson ran for something like 7 yards against the 49ers last year. One game does not a running back make.

Posted by: ronjon629 | September 28, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

rodney harrison is a fool if there is one thing DA SOUP is its CONSISTENT

Posted by: all_this_bs | September 28, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

If only we could flush Dan Synder and Vinny Cerrato down the toilet like the turds they are.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

too many good guys on the team, not enough rip off your head and crap down your neck guys

Posted by: Burrasta1 | September 28, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Too many average players in my opinion. Nice, mean, soft-spoken, in-your-face...whatever. The Skins have too many average players, thus the same old stuff every season.

Posted by: mattylight | September 28, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The story about Six Flags opening in Nigeria really illustrates one of Dan Snyder's blindspots (whether he was involved in the decision or not, now that they're in bankruptcy not sure if he's actively involved). He always sees things in the best-case scenario, as if everything that is possible is probable.

It's not a bad characteristic, especially for an entrepreneur selling the vision of a new company. But it's not great for running a business. The Nigeria move sounds appealing in some regards, 140 million people, growing middle class... hey, if it works out, it could be a good location. But the political instability there (among other factors) makes the decision extremely risky.

Redskins personnel moves are similar. Hey, as long as we don't have injuries to the O-Line, everyon plays to their full potential, if we add this one piece to the puzzle... yada yada. But it's stupidly risky if you believe everything "probable" will work out the way you expect. You have to expect that not everyone will play better than they did the year before, guys will get hurt, etc. Risk management! Maybe build some depth, maybe leave some salary cap flexibility... be prepared for a few things to go wrong before you put all your eggs in one ($100 million) basket.

Posted by: beatkal | September 28, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

DA SOUP may not put this team on his back and single handly take them to the promise land but most nfl qb's cant but he will keep you in the game and not blow it 4 you which is enuff if any body else on the team wants to get fired up and make a dam play

Posted by: all_this_bs | September 28, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I want winners.

I want someone who will deliver a forceful speech like that to this team. They don't need to be told that "they're making progress" and that "they're close" or the "better team." They need to get their butts kicked. They need to be told that their effort was unprofessional and unacceptable on sunday. Commit to being better, or get the he!! out of the locker room. I want winners.

Posted by: brian58 | September 28, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Vic1, your headline and story posts are hilarious, almost credible and the only good things I've seen coming out of the debacle yesterday. Keep up the good work. You should write for the Onion, but just in case you can't, could you play right guard or be an offensive coordinator?

Posted by: boothintexas | September 28, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins defense is 6th in points allowed.

The Redskins offense is 29th in points scored.

Any guess who is dead last? The Rams - the only team the Redskins have beaten this year - who are averaging 8 points per game.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins problem won't go away unless and until Snyder sells the team which is unlikely. No competent coach or general manager in his right mind will come to work for Snyder. That's why he's stuck with Zorn as his coach who certainly wasn't his first, second, or third choice. Cower, Billick, Gruden, Dungy, Shanahan, Nolan, Holmgren -- does anyone think these guys will come to work for Synder? Not a chance. Does anyone think Snyder can attract a young, bright, talented up and coming GM to make sound personnel decisions unlike Vinny the Clown? Do you think a guy like Parcells would ever agree to work for this organization? The best Snyder will ever be able to do is a guy like Zorn or some desperate second- or third-level NFL coach or unemployed college guy to coach his team. Ralph Friedgen has NFL assistant coaching experience and will soon be out of a job at Maryland. That would be about all Snyder could get. This isn't about offense or defense or special teams or X's and O's. It's not about the players. It's not about consistently stupid sideline coaching decisions. It's about quality coaching from the head coach down and no quality coach will work for this guy. Therefore, the Redskins will continue to be somewhere between terrible and mediocre at best. It's sad but it's a fact. If you want to change the Redskins, start by changing ownership. Until that happens -- when pigs fly -- this team and organization will continue to stink it up on Sundays.

Posted by: POPS1 | September 28, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

the pats routinely go for it on 4th down with a qb sneak, brady goes with a quick count before the defense is set....that need to happen more often....


jm, do you remember M. Westbrook??

blount=westbrook we've been there done that...no need to repeat it...we know the end result....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

LT Jared Gaither 23 years old 2007 UDFA
(same college as Heyer)

Posted by: periculum

Peri, wasn't Gaither a supplemental draft pick?

Your point about the line is well made, depressing for us fans, but well made.

Posted by: Predator48 | September 28, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

i dont understand the point periculum

Posted by: all_this_bs | September 28, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

i dont understand the point periculum

Posted by: all_this_bs | September 28, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21: I could counter what Harrison said, with the things Phil Simms, Troy Aikman, Brian Billick have said about JC talent level. JC hasn't been the main reason this team is losing, it's greater than that. You've mentioned that JC isn't the solution to this team' problem. Neither is CP, Moss, Cooley, Sellers, Rak, Haynesworth, Los, Rocky, Champ, Arrington, Samuels, Blache, Gibbs 2, Marty S, Norval..get it?

Posted by: TWISI | September 28, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

At this point I'm just glad that I'm young enough to outlive Snyder.

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Our Team's Ratings

Ratings (based on CURRENT level of play, NOT potential):
Above Average
Average
Poor


QB- Campbell: Poor
RB- Portis: Average
WR- Moss: Above Average
WR- Kelly: Poor
WR- RandelEl: Poor
TE- Cooley: Above Average
LT- Samuels: Average
LG- Dockery: Poor
C- Raeback: Average
RG- ???????: Poor
RT- Heyer: Poor

DE- Daniels: Poor
DT- Griffin: Above Average
DT- Haynesworth: Above Average
DE- Carter: Poor
LB- Orakpo: Poor
LB- Fletcher: Above Average
LB- McIntosh: Average
CB- Rogers: Poor
CB- Hall: Average
SS- Horton: Average
FS- Landry: Average

P- Smith: Above Average
K- Suisham: Poor

PR- ARE: Poor
KR- Cartwright: Poor

HC- Zorn: Poor
DC- Blache: Average
OC- Smith: Poor

Owner- Snyder: Poor
GM- Cerrato: Piss Poor


Based on these simple rankings, it's time to blow this thing up and keep only the following players:

Moss
Cooley
Griffin
Haynesworth
Fletcher
Hunter Smith
Keep Orakpo, but only as a DE

Posted by: jgarrisn | September 28, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers and DeAngelo Hall have not played that well this season, but they are right in noting that the team lacks an identity and doesn't have a sense of urgency out on the football field.

Zorn needs to find a way to get Kelly, Davis and Thomas more involved in the offense.

That is the only real salvation to be had on that side of the ball.

Moss is going to continue to draw double coverage and with Portis' heel injury he is not likely to break any long runs in the comnig weeks.

Either Zorn starts to depend on his younger players and they in turn produce or things are going to get very ugly.

As in 1-6 or 1-7 ugly.

While the team has struggled at times in recent years the club has been in that 6-10 to 10-6 range each season.

The reality of a 3-13 type campaign is one that is beginning to be a possibility as Zorn and Blache struggle to engage this team.

Posted by: leopard09 | September 28, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

How many years until the Redskins commit to rebuilding? One? Two? Need a new GM, a real HC, a better quarterback and a youth movement on the offensive line. Cut this whole friggin team, blow it up, close up shop, go to hell, f-ing die.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 28, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Someone (4th?) posted this earlier today on a different thread and thought it should be posted again for anyone who missed it:

http://realredskins.com/2009/09/mentally-soft.html

"
Rich Tandler's Real Redskins Rotating Header Image
Mentally soft
Sep 28th, 2009
by Rich Tandler.
Does Zorn have the right stuff?

Does Zorn have the right stuff?

The Washington Redskins do not lack talent. Individually, they have as much size and speed and ability as any other NFL team. They are better in some areas and worse in others but they don’t lack good football players.

The team does not lack physical toughness. We saw Albert Haynesworth barely being able to walk back onto the field just after halftime. He went back into the lineup. They have both take and dealt out some hard hits in their three games this year.

What this team lacks is mental toughness.

When the going got tough, these guys didn’t circle the wagons, they folded their tents.

After a week of essentially having their collective manhood challenged by their fans and by media near and far, the Redskins went out and proved all of the critics right."

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Tough game yesterday obviously.

I was one of those that was screaming for Zorn to go for it on 4th and 1 instead of kicking a field goal. I was suprised that it was not Betts or Sellers battling their way into the endzone. Looked to me like Portis driopped to the ground pretty quickly.

Portis was a grat pick up back in 2005 or so, but the more I watch the tougher it is to think that he has that "it" that makes him a premier running back in this league.

There is no way they should have won that game the way they played, but the PI call that gave the lions first and goal from the one was garbage.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I think Randel-El has been doing really good as the #3 receiver... He's made some fantastic catches so far this season. Look at the catch that was initially ruled out of bounds and then over turned on replay. Great catch.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 28, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

For those of you crying about TOP, here is another quote from the Tandler article. The offense continues to not get it done.

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"In the first half, the Redskins had the ball with a chance to cut into the Lions’ 7-0 lead. A third down pass from Jason Campbell to Santana Moss came up less than a yard shy of a first down. On Washington’s next possession with the score a very manageable 10-0 Chris Cooley runs his third-down pattern just short of the sticks. That’s not smart football.

In the second half after the Redskins had pulled to with 13-7 on their first possession, they had four possessions to take the lead. The first ended in an interception, the second stalled when Campbell fumbled and recovered for a loss of eight. The third crumbled when a holding penalty negated a Devin Thomas reception at the Detroit 34. The final chance ended meekly when Campbell went to Santana Moss for two yards on fourth and five."

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Neither is CP, Moss, Cooley, Sellers, Rak, Haynesworth, Los, Rocky, Champ, Arrington, Samuels, Blache, Gibbs 2, Marty S, Norval..get it?

Posted by: TWISI | September 28, 2009 3:30 PM |
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None of those guys play QB.

This is a quarterback's league, and has been for a couple of decades now. The league completely rewrote the rule book to protect QBs, to assist QBs (the handcuffs on defensive backs). The league wants bombs, big scoring and spectacular catches. And they've done all they can to enable QBs to accomplish that.

JC isn't even mediocre.

Why in heck any 'fan' would be satisfied with a "game manager" QB is a mystery to me.

All the peeps that have a Bromance with JC invariably point to his game stats (they ignore the fact that he's 17-22, and 3-8 going back to the freefall which started midway through last season.

Well, you could do the same thing for Mark Brunell when he was here. Game stats usually looked nice, he protected the football, he didn't make many errors.

Yep. And he didn't win much when he was here either.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

You know what would solve this consistent lack of offensive production year after year? Dan Snyder:

INVEST IN A GODDAMN OFFENSIVE LINE. STOP THROWING YOUR MONEY AT "BIG" NAMES; THEY ARE JUST APPENDAGES. THE HEART OF THE OFFENSE IS THE DAMN HOG.

Every team in this league that is able to contend year after year is successful because they have a solid offensive line. Joe Flacco was a mediocre QB last year (80.3). But you know what? He had solid protection and so far this year Flacco is 101.4.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I got to disagree with some of your ratings, your drinking the Madden juice on some of those numbers. I am going to use a A-F system.. I am giving a hint, we have no A's on this team.

QB- Campbell: C+
RB- Portis: D+
WR- Moss: B-
WR- Kelly: D-
WR- RandelEl: C
TE- Cooley: A-
LT- Samuels: B-
LG- Dockery: C
C- Raeback: C
RG- Rehinheart: C-
RT- Heyer: D+

DE- Daniels: F
DT- Griffin: C+
DT- Haynesworth: B-
DE- Carter: D-
LB- Orakpo: C-
LB- Fletcher: B+
LB- McIntosh: C
CB- Rogers: C+
CB- Hall: C-
SS- Horton: C
FS- Landry: D+

P- Smith: A+
K- Suisham: B

PR- ARE: F+
KR- Cartwright: D

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Redskins defense is 32nd in the league in 3rd down conversion percentage.

Redskins offense is tied for 9th in first downs earned.

Redskins offense is 4th overall in first downs earned via the pass.

Redskins offense is 24th overall in first downs earned via the run.

Redskins rank 10th overall in passing offense (yards).

Redskins rank 24th overall in rushing offense (yards).

Redskins are tied for 18th overall in passing TDs (3 total).

Redskins are 32nd in rushing TDs (0 total).

Posted by: psps23 | September 28, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

None of those guys play QB.


Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 3:42 PM


I knew you wouldn't get it.

Posted by: TWISI | September 28, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

OMG, the ONLY Funny thing after all this, & a great way to end it was something a Pats(of all teams- Go figgahh!!!) fan/friend said to me after conveying to her my frustrations along w/MILLIONS of other Skins fans...

"Hey, if all else fails, just do like we did - CHEAT"!!!!!!!! ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!!!!

Posted by: XSkinsFAN | September 28, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"I knew you wouldn't get it.

Posted by: TWISI"

Shocker...

Posted by: psps23 | September 28, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to listen to Zorn's press conference, if you haven't already. Zorn is in complete denial about the state of this team and where it's headed.

Posted by: pgugino | September 28, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

@ MrRedskin21

Yeah. JC is mediocre. In the NFC, he's only:

3rd in yards per game
2nd in completion percentage
3rd in total passing yards
2nd in passing first downs
1st in passing first down percentage

and 9th in the NFL in passer rating. I guess JC is responsible for the horrible offensive line blocking that we've had. No wonder why Clinton only had 42 rushing yards yesterday: Jason wasn't blocking after handing the ball off. What was he thinking?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

we're screwed. Campbell is still a pothead again, while our backup QBs are: a midget, colt "WAC" brennan, and a cocktail

Posted by: prescrunk | September 28, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

JC17 is not the problem. I admit he is "average" at best, but he cannot keep the things that are really problems from happening.

JC cant keep Haynesworth from jumping offsides, or Hall from being largely ineffective. The stats prove it.

He has better than average passing stats, but the ineffective running game limits what he can do. I said it last week, give portis a rest and start Aldridge. See if there is any spark left in him.

Most of the problems have surprisingly been on the defensive side of the ball. We gave up way too many big plays to the lions offense. But thats football. It is week 4 and they have nowhere to go but up.

At some point soon (me hopes) Zorn will take the training wheels off anf let some of the furture get their feet wet.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Redskins defense is 32nd in the league in 3rd down conversion percentage.

Redskins offense is tied for 9th in first downs earned.

Redskins offense is 4th overall in first downs earned via the pass.

Redskins offense is 24th overall in first downs earned via the run.

Redskins rank 10th overall in passing offense (yards).

Redskins rank 24th overall in rushing offense (yards).

Redskins are tied for 18th overall in passing TDs (3 total).

Redskins are 32nd in rushing TDs (0 total).

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Yep.

And when the league starts scoring games based on categorical statistics instead of POINTS, you'll have a case.

Until then, the reality:

The Redskins defense is 6th in points allowed (16.3 points per game).

The Redskins offense is 29th in points scored (13.3 points per game).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Everyone needs to listen to Zorn's press conference, if you haven't already. Zorn is in complete denial about the state of this team and where it's headed.

Posted by: pgugino

Plus he showed no (zero, zip, nil) emotion. Did not look like a leader to me.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

How did the great Redskin teams of the past win? Strong running game and tough defense. Smashmouth football! Control the clock and the ball and you will win more often than not. Impose your will on the other team. They may know what's coming, but can they stop it? The west coast offense that has been implemented, with all the trick and cutesy playcalling, is not the type of football that this team was built for, its not the type of football that wins the NFC east and it never will be. This isn't the NFC west where that type of play can win over a weak division year in and year out. The Skins need to go back to their roots. If Snyder was really a hard core fan back in the day, he would understand this. For the rest of this year(maybe forever) we will have to sleep in the bed that was made for us. Which will be agonizing and frustrating to say the least. However when this dreadful year comes to an end, we need to bring in a GM and a coach that knows what Redsins football was, is, and always will be. Smashmouth!!! Which means no Shannahan, no Gruden, no Holmgren. I woudn't be opposed to bringing Martyball back to D.C.(he had started turning it around after Norv Turner decimated our once proud franchise) but i don't see that happening cause I doubt Snyder would give him full control like he did for Gibbs. He woudn't be my first choice anyway. How about Russ Grimm coaching under a structured front office with a GM who will work with him to get this team back to the hard nosed team they once were. I for one can only hope that this owner will see the light. If he learned anything from Joe Gibbs, like he said he did in that press conference for Joes retirement, he will make the neccessary changes, but I am doubting he has learned anything in his long and sickening run as owner of this team and it's quite possible he never will. F Snyder! U SUCK! If you love this team at all, you will let it go.

Posted by: kbourgault2000 | September 28, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Plus he showed no (zero, zip, nil) emotion. Did not look like a leader to me.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Did Zorn take any responsibility for the loss? Or was this another case of sound strategy and poor execution in his opinion?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 28, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Smith left yesterday's game with 6:56 remaining in the 3rd quarter. He ended up with 101 yards on 16 carries.

So in 2 and a half quarters this guy goes for 100+ yards on Greg Blache's vaunted defense? Why isn't this a bigger story?

JC wasn't missing tackles. Soup didn't fail to stop Stafford on 3rd downs. #17 wasn't fair catching punts all day like a wussy.

Here's what we know JC cannot do:

Throw a good fade pass
Slide
Lose the Mississippi accent

Other than that he's pretty legit so don't tell me how Todd Collins would have this offense cooking with grease especially with Zorn calling half back options on 3rd down.

Posted by: elfreako | September 28, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

we're screwed. Campbell is still a pothead again, while our backup QBs are: a midget, colt "WAC" brennan, and a cocktail

Posted by: prescrunk | September 28, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

WTF? Campb is not a pothead...

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

O'Hallaron getting into it on LAvar's show...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

O'Hallaron getting into it on LAvar's show...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 3:54 PM

What's being said?

Posted by: TWISI | September 28, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

For the love of god, please stop trying to absolve Jason Campbell..."oh...he's the least of their problems...or...it's the playcalling...this kid has all the tools"

If the team SUCKS, Jason Campbell sucks. I have been a Campbell apologist, but this guy doesn't have it. We keep saying..."well if he just had a line...now that it's his sencond season in the same system, he'll light it up"

SHUT UP ALREADY!

NOBODY WANTED JASON CAMPBELL IN THE OFFSEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When was the last time, he put this team on his back and let them on a winning scoring drive?

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: rickyroge | September 28, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

You. Are. An idiot. If we had a list of our biggest problems, Campbell wouldn't even crack the top 10.

Please go follow another sport because you clearly don't know jack about football.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 28, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I posted this somewhere else.

Second round 2008 NFL Draft
Pick Number
34 Washington Redskins (from Oakland through Atlanta) Devin Thomas Wide receiver Michigan State

39 San Francisco 49ers Chilo Rachal Offensive guard USC
San Francisco 49ers

Rachal was drafted 39th overall by the San Francisco 49ers in the 2008 NFL Draft; he was signed to a four-year deal.[6]

Rachal started the last 6 games of the 2008 season.
San Francisco 49ers 2 and 1
48 Washington Redskins (from Houston through Atlanta) Fred Davis Tight end USC

51 Washington Redskins Malcolm Kelly Wide receiver Oklahoma

59 Indianapolis Colts Mike Pollak Center Arizona State
Pollak was drafted by the Colts in the second round of the 2008 NFL Draft. The Colts moved Pollak to guard and as a rookie he started 13 of 13 games.
Indianapolis Colts 3and 0

Third round
83 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jeremy Zuttah Offensive guard Rutgers

Zuttah was drafted by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the third round (83rd overall) of the 2008 NFL Draft. He signed a multi-year contract with the team on July 22. starting left guard
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 0 and 3

96 Washington Redskins Chad Rinehart * Offensive tackle Northern Iowa

2007 Supplemental Draft, Round 5, 2007

Gaither, Jared
PositionTackle

Experience3 years

Height6-9

Weight330

CollegeMaryland

High SchoolEleanor Roosevelt (MD)

HometownWhite Plains, Maryland

Birthdate3/18/1986
Baltimore Ravens 3 and 0

The Redskins will only go as far as their line will take them. In the 1960's they could not win with Sonny J., Bobby M, and Charlie T. it was only when they addressed their line problems that they started wining. The Hogs took them to four super bowls. I do not think Campbell is worse than Mark Ripen or Doug Williams when he played for the Redskins.
Portis is as good a running back as we have had. Their is one lineman who might start for the last four Redskins teams that went to the supper bowl an he is 32.

Posted by: Oldtimer42 | September 28, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"And when the league starts scoring games based on categorical statistics instead of POINTS, you'll have a case."

You're right. Ignore the tangible categorical statistics. The offense can't score points because the running game is respectively ranked 24th, 24th, and 32nd in the league in 1st down conversions, yards, and TDs, so the obvious solution is bench the quarterback. Spot on.

Posted by: psps23 | September 28, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is not in denial...what is he supposed to say?

"Gosh guys youre right we suck terribly and Im not sure I should be doing this"

get real.

Zorn is probably the reason there arent a bunch of fractures (visibly) in the locker room. I think the players understand, rightfully so, that the execution is lacking. That is a function of the coach I agree, but as men they have to have the priode to go out and take it.

The team has like ten captains, they should be the ones screaming in the players faces. But who gets to do it? None of the franchise guys are stepping up. Someone at some point has got to call the baby ugle; Im just dont think it should be the coach of the team.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

@ MrRedskin21

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that we had NO RUSHING game. You can't control the clock by passing. Why do you think the Pats lost to the Jets 2 Sundays ago? Brady through the ball 50 times and they had no rushing game.

You can't run the ball into the end zone unless you have a good offensive line, which we clearly lack. Portis may have something to do with it but our offensive line is porous and weak.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

6) Blitz Blitz Blitz Blitz

Posted by: ronjon629 | September 28, 2009

Blache shouldn't have to blitz should he? Isn't that why Danny went out and got you turkeys your damned beasts? What is Haynesworth, Orapko, and then the lost a draft pick for Jarmon? Beast? Why do you need to blitz eh? Why? And now you are blaming them for thinking like you? Sheesh.

They need OL OL OL defensive backs and a real running back. They did not need "beasts" on defense. They had plenty. Now, even with the "beasts" they still have to BLITZ!!!??? Its not like they finished last in the NFL last year. Although god knows given the way they have been performing that looks like a possibility!

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

There are many problems with this team on both sides of the ball. But the biggest thing that stands out to me is coaching.

The product that the Skins put on the field is disgusting. No passion, discipline, unity or guts. No fire.

Regardless of the lack of talent, qb, or whatever, this team is not prepared to play on Sundays. That my friends is coaching!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

did anyone ever read 'watership down' by richard adams? there's a line in there, that just about sums up the woe of the redskins (i'm paraphrasing here):

"zorn, o zorn! all dead! zorn!"

Posted by: ramses2000 | September 28, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

WTF? Campb is not a pothead...

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 3:54 PM

sure? he looks pretty stoned out there... lmao at the Post headline today

Posted by: prescrunk | September 28, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

@ MrRedskin21

Yeah. JC is mediocre. In the NFC, he's only:

3rd in yards per game
2nd in completion percentage
3rd in total passing yards
2nd in passing first downs
1st in passing first down percentage

and 9th in the NFL in passer rating. I guess JC is responsible for the horrible offensive line blocking that we've had. No wonder why Clinton only had 42 rushing yards yesterday: Jason wasn't blocking after handing the ball off. What was he thinking?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 3:49 PM

Huh? Whaaa? WTF?!?!? JC IS Average. Av-er-age.

The Play Calling was horrible. Zorn never stuck with the run/CP/OLine once this year. In 3 MoFo Games. Portis had 3 carries in the 1st half in Detriot. And he Zorn calls 75% of his runs behind Sameuls.

And Campbell get all his stats in Mop p Duty. This is why Denver didn't want him!

Kyle Orton has less than HALF of Campbell's stats, but a 3-0 record. Do you think Campbell would have had the same record with Denver?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

from the watership down lapine dictionary:

Zorn: Destroyed, murdered. Denotes a catastrophe.

ugh.

Posted by: ramses2000 | September 28, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21 wants to find that one knight in shiny armor to ride in and save the day.

Posted by: TWISI | September 28, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Did Zorn take any responsibility for the loss? Or was this another case of sound strategy and poor execution in his opinion?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

First thing he did was blame it on the D.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

QB- Campbell: C+
RB- Portis: D+
WR- Moss: B-
WR- Kelly: D-
WR- RandelEl: C
TE- Cooley: A-
LT- Samuels: B-
LG- Dockery: C
C- Raeback: C
RG- Rehinheart: C-
RT- Heyer: D+

DE- Daniels: F
DT- Griffin: C+
DT- Haynesworth: B-
DE- Carter: D-
LB- Orakpo: C-
LB- Fletcher: B+
LB- McIntosh: C
CB- Rogers: C+
CB- Hall: C-
SS- Horton: C
FS- Landry: D+

P- Smith: A+
K- Suisham: B

PR- ARE: F+
KR- Cartwright: D

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I'll play:

QB- Campbell: C (C means average, that's what he is)
RB- Portis: B (I still believe with a decent line Portis is an above average back in this league, we don't have a decent line so we don't know)
WR- Moss: B-
WR- Kelly: D-
WR- RandelEl: B+ (as a slot receiver ARE leads all WR not named Moss and until Sunday he led them all, been very effective as a #3, which is all he ever was)
TE- Cooley: A-
LT- Samuels: B (used to be an A, still good)
LG- Dockery: B (has been very solid)
C- Raeback: C
RG- Rehinheart: C-
RT- Heyer: D+

DE- Daniels: D
DT- Griffin: C+
DT- Haynesworth: B-
DE- Carter: B (only person who has gotten consistent pressure all season)
LB- Orakpo: C-
LB- Fletcher: B+
LB- McIntosh: B
CB- Rogers: C-
CB- Hall: C-
SS- Horton: B- (made some big plays so far, bad call on the interference)
FS- Landry: D (disappointing for any starting safety, much less a top 5 pick)

P- Smith: A+
K- Suisham: A has been perfect so far

PR- ARE: F+
KR- Cartwright: D


Units:
Offense F
Defence C+
Teams A (solid on both coverage units, punting has been spectacular, havent missed a kick all year, returns have been average, but a fake fg for a TD pushes them to A status)

Coaching F

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 28, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

4th, whats being said....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Keep Orakpo, but only as a DE

Posted by: jgarrisn | September 28, 2009

You guys are so ... well numb? Weren't you watching 'your beast' can't stop the run. Get that through the beer laden brains now ... he cannot stop the run and apparently he is still learning to cover pass receivers. sheesh ... he may be a good, even great linebacker but its going to take some time ... clearly.

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

You're right. Ignore the tangible categorical statistics. The offense can't score points because the running game is respectively ranked 24th, 24th, and 32nd in the league in 1st down conversions, yards, and TDs, so the obvious solution is bench the quarterback. Spot on.

Posted by: psps23 | September 28, 2009 3:56 PM |
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Well, you and I can agree on this much psps23: Zorn is not running the ball enough.

Only 12 carries for Portis in a game where we weren't being blown out = bad game plan.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

You're right. Ignore the tangible categorical statistics. The offense can't score points because the running game is respectively ranked 24th, 24th, and 32nd in the league in 1st down conversions, yards, and TDs, so the obvious solution is bench the quarterback. Spot on.

Posted by: psps23

perfectly stated. Is it agreed that the poor production of Portis is because of the O-Line. The O-Line has a lot of bad pressy by everyone...but I see Campbell having pretty good time to throw the ball back there.

The biggest difference I see in Portis than from years past is the fact that he no longer seems to fight through contact on a consistent basis. He is almost like a lego man out there; one hand touches him and he collapses to the ground.

Is he still hungry? You know Betts is, so why not make a change and see what happens. Portis will pout but he will come back looking to make a statement. eithr way, the productivity goes up, or we prove that he is done.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Did Zorn take any responsibility for the loss? Or was this another case of sound strategy and poor execution in his opinion?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

First thing he did was blame it on the D.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks. I had a feeling Jim Zorn would find blame somewhere. While there is plenty to go around after yesterday, I was just wondering if he would take some himself.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 28, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

What's being said?

Posted by: TWISI | September 28, 2009 3:56 PM

Sorry.....Short Term Memory. But O'Hall was basically saying that from LFB and DHAll's comments, there are alot of slackers on the team. And Zorn's conference differed from what DHall and CR22 said in their interviews.

He also said, when stuff gets bad, the dirty laundry starts to come out. And then Landry and Horton's names were brought up......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

The loss to the Lions WAS on the defense.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

what's up with the cp hate?last yr cp ran for 1487 yds,200 more yds than he had the yr before. i dunno how nearly 1500 yds stacks up against the rest of the "real running backs" in the league but i'd guess he's close to the top. he had 12 carries yesterday. lay off him and ask blache why the d doesn't blitz, why they give a 10 yd cushion on 3rd downs, why they let Stafford embarrass them yesterday. without the performance of Stafford, i don't think the skins got outplayed or outmanuevered. blache challenged the rookie to beat him and he did.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Just shows you can make stats say anything you wish.., if they are accurate.
Skins are next to last in points scored... And yesterday they were 2 for 10 in 3rd down conversions. Big reason the D was sucking wind by the 2nd quarter..

Most of the yardage by JC yesterday and last week were prevent D yardage.. The opposing team leaves the middle open and gives up the passes to run out the clock, including JC's TD throw to Rock, at the end.. Examine the completions last week and yesterday and you'll see nearly half were
in a prevent D.. Any 3rd string QB can make those.
JC is a big part of the problem (ref Boswell's stat, ranked 205 out of 210 NFL QBs). But, he would be a serviceable strong armed QB if he had anywhere near an NFL caliber OLine.

He's Rypien without the Hogs.
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@ MrRedskin21

Yeah. JC is mediocre. In the NFC, he's only:

3rd in yards per game
2nd in completion percentage
3rd in total passing yards
2nd in passing first downs
1st in passing first down percentage

and 9th in the NFL in passer rating. I guess JC is responsible for the horrible offensive line blocking that we've had. No wonder why Clinton only had 42 rushing yards yesterday: Jason wasn't blocking after handing the ball off. What was he thinking?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 3:49 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

ramses, wow on the "Watership Down" reference... I was just thinking about that book the other day, though it's been so long since I read it I didn't tumble to the zorn thing. Great work.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 28, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

GO CAPS!!! jk

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

There is a lot wrong with this franchise... more than I care to try and list as some have attempted. The real problem is the owner, plain and simple. We now have the reputation of being a team that you go to if you want to make a lot of money, not if you want to win championships. Greg Williams had this defense firing on all cylinders and already had NFL head coaching experience. Synder snuffed him in order to bring in a guy with no coordinator or head-coaching experience at all. Play calling, clock management, and overall game-planning are seriously lacking under Zorn, but I don't support making changes after 3 weeks... even if it feels like this season is already lost.

P.S. I would take the University of Tennessee's coaching staff over the Redskins coaching staff on any day of the week.

Posted by: bleed-burgundy-n-gold | September 28, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

As much as it is humiliating to be a Skins' fan today... I could no longer hold back on LaVar Arrington and his sports radio show... anyone else agree with this article?!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/262940-lavar-arrington-from-redskin-has-been-to-washingtons-biggest-critic

Posted by: moneymike | September 28, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I absolutely do not hate Protis. But he seems uninspired (the only word I can think of) out there.

Someone has to call a players only meeting and just get it all out there. Which player would have the leadership and clout to make that meeting happen. I would say Fletcher

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah. JC is mediocre. In the NFC, he's only:

3rd in yards per game
2nd in completion percentage
3rd in total passing yards
2nd in passing first downs
1st in passing first down percentage

and 9th in the NFL in passer rating. I guess JC is responsible for the horrible offensive line blocking that we've had. No wonder why Clinton only had 42 rushing yards yesterday: Jason wasn't blocking after handing the ball off. What was he thinking?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 3:49 PM
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I find it interesting that whenever you post selective, self-serving stats, you neglect to post the only stat that matters: Post JC's W-L stats as a starter.

17-22 = not even mediocre.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

fletch, daniels, griff, Samuels, rally the troops boys....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

And Campbell get all his stats in Mop p Duty. This is why Denver didn't want him!

Kyle Orton has less than HALF of Campbell's stats, but a 3-0 record. Do you think Campbell would have had the same record with Denver?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

mop up duty? u think a team with a 19 game losing streak trots out the prevent defense at the beginning of the third q or something. moss scored in the third q, cartwright in the middle of the 4th. watch the game.

and if it's all bout w's and l's why'd the hometown fans boo the home team after a win. which is it the w-l record or the stats? cuz we tried to trade JC for cutler's stats eventhough they had the same record.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

@ 4thFloor

Of course JC isn't a superstar, but he is not the focus of the troubles of this team. We have no running game. Period. I do believe JC would be 3-0 in Denver. Kyle Orton is terrible. But Orton has better protection than JC. Denver has a better running game than us. They have 2 RBs with more rushing yards than Clinton.

Other teams have done better than us with even worse quarterbacks because of OL PROTECTION. Remember the 2006 Chicago Bears that went to the Super Bowl? Rex Grossman had a whopping 73.9 rating and still started every game. They had a solid running attack that year (also a little guy name Adrian Peterson).

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Zorn anticipates spending significant time with Snyder this week. "Having a loss, and trying to get out of there [Detroit], and all the press, we haven't spent a lot time," he said. "I'll be spending a lot of time with him as we go along this week."

---RI on theWAPO

What possible good can come from this?

Will Zorn have new reponsibilities like, drumming up new ideas for merchandise to be sold through the Redskins store?

I might feel a tiny twinge of optimism if Snyder said "I won't be interfering with football operations this week."

Posted by: TheCork | September 28, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS WILL NEVER BE ANYTHING AS LONG AS DAN SNYDER IS THE OWNER OF THIS TEAM, AND HIS SIDE-KICK VINNY CERRATO

Posted by: tdhibble | September 28, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

4th, thanks...ugh, landry needs to shut his yap, and start earning his spot as a top 10 draft pick.....no excuses, playing out of position or not, he's got not excuses for all the missed tackles.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

This is going to sound ridiculuos, but some of you out there can find this stat.

No SJK...what is the record for the Skins whenever Tom Cruise is at the game. I swaer to God it will make you shake.

Look up the actual record and the points scored for and against. We need to keep that midget freakshow away from the games. (Cruise not Snyder)

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that whenever you post selective, self-serving stats, you neglect to post the only stat that matters: Post JC's W-L stats as a starter.

17-22 = not even mediocre.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse
I find it interesting that whenever you post selective, self-serving stats, you neglect to post the only stat that matters: Post JC's W-L stats as a starter.

17-22 = not even mediocre.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse
i think that's the whole team's record over the past 39 JC starts. is the record overall that much better. are we not under 500 as a team for the past 7 yrs or so? i luv football season, everyone knows everything about pro football(including me)

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I know this is old news, but Zorn is not to blame. The person who hired him as a head coach when he wasn't even a coordinator in the NFL before is to blame. Yes, Danny Boy is the ONLY person to blame. Unfortunately, you can't fire the owner.

Posted by: jwash4472 | September 28, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

What possible good can come from this?

Posted by: TheCork |

How 'bout: I want you to give up the game planning and play calling duties?

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS WILL NEVER BE ANYTHING AS LONG AS DAN SNYDER IS THE OWNER OF THIS TEAM, AND HIS SIDE-KICK VINNY CERRATO

Posted by: tdhibble |

They will still be the most profitable sports team in the US.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

looking back on the NFL.com play by play.. Ref JC.. He Reads once and throws to that WR regardless if they are in first down range. A completion in FRONT of the stick on 3rd down that does not move the sticks (happened quite abit yesterday and last week), JC still gets credit for the yardage and completion. And it looks great on his personal stats. But, the team ends up with a terrible 3rd down conversion rate.. (ie 2 for 10).
JC doesnt seem to think about the overall objective on 3rd down. Which is to find the WR that will get the first down. Its seems he just wants to get the ball out, regardless..
+++++++++++++++++++++++++


@ MrRedskin21

Yeah. JC is mediocre. In the NFC, he's only:

3rd in yards per game
2nd in completion percentage
3rd in total passing yards
2nd in passing first downs
1st in passing first down percentage

and 9th in the NFL in passer rating. I guess JC is responsible for the horrible offensive line blocking that we've had. No wonder why Clinton only had 42 rushing yards yesterday: Jason wasn't blocking after handing the ball off. What was he thinking?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 3:49 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I know this is old news, but Zorn is not to blame. The person who hired him as a head coach when he wasn't even a coordinator in the NFL before is to blame. Yes, Danny Boy is the ONLY person to blame. Unfortunately, you can't fire the owner.

Posted by: jwash4472 | September 28, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Try using this logic in the real world. It doesn't work that way. Next time you mess up at work or don't meet your goals, blame the person who hired you. See how far you get.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 28, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I see the blame game has begun. NO reason in throwing any of it at JC cause we should already be used to the crap we're getting out him. I simply think this team barring a miracle turn around this season is heading for off-season implosion. Which it needs desperately. Along with a few moves on the player front. Its would be best to fire not only Zorn, but Blache and their entire coaching staffs. I mean when you think about it. It is their teachings and philosophies that the player have been asked to carry out on the field. We need either a Gm or a coach capable of doing both Gm and head-coaching duties. A whole new coaching staff that will imput the systems without cross referncing the old systems from previous coaches. THat's it in a nutshell. FIRE ZORN, BLACHE and the ENTIRE coaching staff. HIRE NEW GM and/or GM COACH. Basicall take all personnel power from SNYDERRATO!!!!

Posted by: cee_212002 | September 28, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

It's sad to see delusional people arguing over and over again about JC17...I haven't heard one person say he's great, that he is a superstar on the same level as Brady, Manning, Big Ben, etc. But he isn't the problem. He's an above average QB...good but not great. Problem is, above average QB's need a solid team around them to win consistently, and JC doesn't have that. So the blame gets pinned on him.

Posted by: mattylight | September 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

CheyenneWY, did you attend Francis Scott Key Jr. High? If so, during what years?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

17-22 = not even mediocre.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September
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And Jay Cutler is 19-21....what's your point? Everyone says that Cutler is a much better QB.

Posted by: RITCA | September 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

lilhollywood10- But it does matter a lot. A QB will always be judged by his win-loss record. Yeah, the 17-22 record is the entire team's record, but he was the quarterback and the LEADER of a 17-22 team. Not very good!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 28, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

why not both?
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Look up the actual record and the points scored for and against. We need to keep that midget freakshow away from the games. (Cruise not Snyder)

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 4:17 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

@ MrRedskin21

I'm sorry. I forget, as you have so aptly illustrated, that a football team exclusively depends in the performance of the quarterback. I won't be self-serving and let you neglect the fact that we still have no rushing game and we have had a terrible O-line in the 2000s. I'll let you ignore the fact that our defense gave up almost 400 yards to the 0-19 Lions. I'll let you ignore the fact that the defense gave up 4 long drives.

Your analysis is as bad as Snyder's personnel decisions.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

And Jay Cutler is 19-21....
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And he was coached by Shanahan....hmmmm

Posted by: RITCA | September 28, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

maybe if LL30 wasn't 30 yds behind the cbs every play he could make a play in the passing game. do you ever see a ball thrown anywhere around him? do you often see him checking a wr like he did with CJ? most of the time i see him running up from outta the screen to try to make a play.he's taken some bad angles and is not ST21, but he wasn't brought here to be that either. he was supposed to be in horton's spot. the responsibilities are different. that's why u see horton making plays.LL really is the safety valve, the last line of d. blache puts him 20-25yds deep almost every play.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I got tossed from Key in 1989. Ended up at a private school in Forestville.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

McNamara? I went to Key also but quite a few years prior.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 28, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry. I forget, as you have so aptly illustrated, that a football team exclusively depends in the performance of the quarterback. I won't be self-serving and let you neglect the fact that we still have no rushing game and we have had a terrible O-line in the 2000s. I'll let you ignore the fact that our defense gave up almost 400 yards to the 0-19 Lions. I'll let you ignore the fact that the defense gave up 4 long drives.

Your analysis is as bad as Snyder's personnel decisions.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 4:24 PM |
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Look, if you want to spend your energy defending Jason Campbell, knock yourself out. It's still a free country.

I backed him from his draft day until this season. I'm done making excuses for him. He's a loser.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

WE NEED COWHER!!! He'll bring toughness, discipline, intensity, dedication, work ethic, and what most of the our players need; a pair of brass Cajones!!!

Posted by: cee_212002 | September 28, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Meant Mt. Calvary?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 28, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

mop up duty? u think a team with a 19 game losing streak trots out the prevent defense at the beginning of the third q or something. moss scored in the third q, cartwright in the middle of the 4th. watch the game.

and if it's all bout w's and l's why'd the hometown fans boo the home team after a win. which is it the w-l record or the stats? cuz we tried to trade JC for cutler's stats eventhough they had the same record.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 4:13 PM


This is what happens in Redskins close losses: We are ALWAYS DOWN by 2 scores. JC17 does a hurry up for 100% completion and TD. We get the ball back ALWAYS with 30secs to 1 minute left. NEver enough time to score.

JC17's stats improve and the score 'appears' closer.

The team was booed last week because they stunk it up like yesterday. LAst week was the precursor. The fans are ahead of the curve.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

close. Mt Calvary...couldnt afford McNamara so I went to Suitland and finished up in 94 (on time I might add!)

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

17-22 = not even mediocre.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September
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And Jay Cutler is 19-21....what's your point? Everyone says that Cutler is a much better QB.

Posted by: RITCA | September 28, 2009 4:23 PM |
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No, what's YOUR point?

Show me where you have to reason to believe I think Jay Cutler is any good? Or Mike Shanahan for that matter?

You JC Tools are getting so desperate you're inventing other people's arguments for them...lol

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

So with an owner with the heart of the true fan, that more times than not doesn't equate to a good thing. Let's remember, Snyder isn't much of a blue collar guy like the rest of the owners in the league. He never had a grass roots way of growing businesses. Snyder would always make profitable businesses and sell them off to make a quick profit. A failed business model? No. An ethical means of getting to the top? No. Did he still make a buck? Yes. But at the expense of others. That's how this man is running this team. Snyder should take the lead of owners like Steve Bisciotti who stuck with one model company and grew with it. Has Snyder? Most definitely not. The fan base that resides in Washington, lives and breathes the burgundy and gold. But at the cost that Snyder is running this team, from having a VP of football operations that held a title no better than Lou Holt's clipboard guy or San Francisco's front office Secretary, what has he really done for the football team? Other than draft the late Sean Taylor, nothing whatsoever. It's getting tiring to root for a team that doesn't have a clue from the front office downward. it's tiring to see teams like New York Jets & Giants, San Francisco, the Houston Texans, progress. While Washington regresses and only regresses even more. As a fan it hurts to have your limits tested by idiotic moves by the front office, but ultimately when will the limit be too much? Soon Fedex field will be half empty, but Snyder probably saw this coming.

Posted by: DCSportsFanRegardless726 | September 28, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

@ MrRedskin21

Our beloved Hall of Famer Sonny Jurgensen had a career record 69-73-7. I guess that means he's a terrible QB and doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I know we're all supposed to be slitting our wrists or donning our cement shoes right now, but can anyone else not wait for the Cowboys to be 0-2 at Jerry World tonight? Our team may suck monkey nuts, but at least we'll have the Cowboys with us in the NFC East basement.

Go Panthers!

Posted by: PDiddy | September 28, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

And Jay Cutler is 19-21

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That is a good point. The only thing I would say is that last year Denver's offense produced 23.1 PPG, and their defense gave up 28 PPG.

The Skins produced 16.6 PPG and the defense gave up 18.5 PPG

I think Cutler's record would be much better if not for the Bronco's defense giving up 28 points per game... (second worst last year.)

Posted by: rachel216 | September 28, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

@ 4thFloor

Of course JC isn't a superstar, but he is not the focus of the troubles of this team. We have no running game. Period. I do believe JC would be 3-0 in Denver. Kyle Orton is terrible. But Orton has better protection than JC. Denver has a better running game than us. They have 2 RBs with more rushing yards than Clinton.

Other teams have done better than us with even worse quarterbacks because of OL PROTECTION. Remember the 2006 Chicago Bears that went to the Super Bowl? Rex Grossman had a whopping 73.9 rating and still started every game. They had a solid running attack that year (also a little guy name Adrian Peterson).

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 4:13 PM

DUDE...HAVE YOU NOT WATCHED DENVER's GAMES LAST YEAR? ALL THEY DID WAS PASS THE BALL CUZ THEY OLINE SUCKED MISREABLY!

They didn't have any 1,000 yard RBs last year. They didn't turnover the OLine. It's the same OLine that couldn't block last year that is blocking this year.

And Kyle Orton is managing the team! Josh Daniels made the correct choice for his team.........And Cutler was running for his life last year...

Re: Chicago - They went to the superbowl inspite of Grossman. They had GREAT STs (Hester) and Defense......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"PFT has learned that the Washington Redskins are in preliminary discussions with the Denver Bronco's to trade Ladell Betts, and a 2010 Second Round pick to them in exchange for Brandon Marshall. It is believed that the Redskins would then extend the contract of Marshall. Stay tuned"

What the heck......this sucks

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I agree fo rthe most part, but I think we shpuld ackowledge that Snyder/Cerrato have gotten better over the years.

I just wish it had not taken so long. Haynesworth was a good edition and Hall was the only viable option. They picked up Horton late and he is a stud. orakpo will be a stud.

If Landry was in the same aip code as his CBs he could be a stud.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

WE NEED COWHER!!! He'll bring toughness, discipline, intensity, dedication, work ethic, and what most of the our players need; a pair of brass Cajones!!!

Posted by: cee_212002 | September 28, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

(1) Cowher has been waiting for the Carolina job to open up and, this offseason, he'll get his wish.

(2) Cowher was in Pittsburgh almost 20 years before he finally won a SuperBowl. Do you think Snyder would have that kind of patience with him?

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 28, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Now beantown makes me look like a dope.

I would hope that PFT is incorrect on this?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow...still with the he said/she said of blame. When you lose to a team on an 18 game skid....and look horrendous doing it. It is everyone's fault. They all suck. No one is defensible. Anyone arguing anything else is simply bruising their fingertips.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

>>> "Snyder would always make profitable businesses and sell them off to make a quick profit. A failed business model? No. An ethical means of getting to the top? No. Did he still make a buck? Yes."

I have to take exception to this. I hate Dan Snyder, like many of you here. But spinning up profitable businesses and selling them off to go pursue your next bigger, better endeavor is as American as apple pie. There is nothing unethical about it. Unethical is when you cheat, lie, steal, etc.

Posted by: PDiddy | September 28, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

@ MrRedskin21

Our beloved Hall of Famer Sonny Jurgensen had a career record 69-73-7. I guess that means he's a terrible QB and doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 4:35 PM |
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Good one!

Now toss me some stats on Bobby Layne or Sid Luckman.

If Jurgensen plays in today's NFL (motto: QBs Are Our Most Precious Commodity), he doesn't make the HOF.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

@ MrRedskin21

Hall of Famer Warren Moon:

105-108 record

Marc Bulger was a good QB when he had the personnel. Now, the Rams are terrible and he is terrible.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"I'm with section on this one. Sure the Defense is the reason we won 8 games last year, but if you look at the trend so far this year, they're getting worse. Offense is getting better."

What evidence is there that the offense is getting better? They still cant run the ball. PERIOD. 0 rush yards in the 1st half. Count em.

Offense is regressing and that is squarely on Zorn, not Blache. He is so bent on having a pass first offense that the O Line and position players aren't conditioned to run the ball anymore.

Posted by: jboogie1 | September 28, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1... *shaking head*

You ALWAYS get me... and then I see who posted and then I pretend I never read it.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 28, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

no idea what you guys are talking about....can you believe this trade?? hello!!! this is BLloyd all over again.....dangit!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I think that if anything unifies this club behind Zorn, it'll be the barrage of criticism in the media and by the fans. So maybe there's some value in it after all.

Firing the coach early in the season is always a risk. You could get lucky like the 49ers did with Singletary (and I'm not sure how well that will turn out in the end), or you could see your team go into the tank for the rest of the year. The only interim possibility is Blache, and the defense ain't playin' that well at the moment. You're certainly not going to convince a big name coach to come in at this point (unless Dan can make Gibbs feel guilty enough.)

Once the Danster decided to keep Zorn after last season, the die was cast.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 28, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

You. Are. An idiot. If we had a list of our biggest problems, Campbell wouldn't even crack the top 10.

Please go follow another sport because you clearly don't know jack about football.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 28, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Haha, I had him at #9 on my list but I didn't include management.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 28, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I think we're going high drama over results here.

Let's triage the team's ills.

1) Organization-no clear talent acquisiton plan.

2) Lack of direction. Is the team in build mode (no RE-build, but build-ING) or is it patching holes for "right now"?

3) Overpaying for name/"draw" players and over-rewarding loyal players at the expense of team improvement.

4) Conditioning-too many muscle and joint related issues. Lack of endurance even amongst younger players.

5) Lack of control. I'm not suggesting media blackout, but limit contact with media to mandatory doses until the team improves, and even then keep time low. Stop airing laundry where everyone can see.


Okay, how to fix this. FIgure out we're building...not challenging for a title today.

A) Move V. Cerrato from player personnel to Cap Guru and an OPs position.

B) Drive to Annapolis and BEG, BORROW, BRIBE, and STEAL (whatever is necessary) to get Ron Wolf to be our GM for 1 season while he trains the new, young GM of the future.

Mr. Wolf will help choose a coach and together they will choose a new direction for the team and assess the roster accordingly.

C) Having a direction will eliminate the need to find "Impact Name Players" and allow the team to focus on raising talent from within, trading aging vets (instead of trading FOR them) and filling the holes with "B Tier" free agents at reasonable prices...similar to the NE Pats' (and glory years' Reskins') model.

D) Okay, this one, I don't have a 100% firm grip on the solution. I'd suggest more work in the pool, and lots of endurance conditioning instead of maxing out on weights. Try more PiYo/walking laps in pool, water aerobics, etc...less (but still some) weights.

E) Once the new coach and GM have the roster under control and molded in their image, it will be easier to have the players work to keep their "secrets" to their success.

Not rocket science, and yes, I know... many of us have pointed pieces of this out. I just wanted a nice neat outline in one place.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | September 28, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21...

Just wondering -- we know you think JC sucks, but my question is do you think he is the root of our problems, or are you just saying he's a bad QB?

Posted by: mattylight | September 28, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1- It's funny how when I try to look for info on this "rumor" I can't find anything!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 28, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Wrong cL. I'm sorry, but I haven't seen CP nor the OLine do anything terribly wrong.

I still see JC throwing to Santana like he's 6'5" and the announcers calling it a 'dropped ball' when it's over his head. And I don't see any fluidity in the Offensive play calling.

Everyone is saying we don't have the talent.

Well....We have the talent, but we have no chemistry.

And the Defense isn't gelin currently. Frome the Safeties down to the DTs......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Actual headline now on PFT: "Zorn says Albert has a strained butt"

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 28, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

And Jay Cutler is 19-21

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That is a good point. The only thing I would say is that last year Denver's offense produced 23.1 PPG, and their defense gave up 28 PPG.

The Skins produced 16.6 PPG and the defense gave up 18.5 PPG

I think Cutler's record would be much better if not for the Bronco's defense giving up 28 points per game... (second worst last year.)

Posted by: rachel216

Yeah, and JC's record would be much better if he had Denver's WRs and O-Line.

Posted by: dcwun | September 28, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

@ MrRedskin21

Dan Fouts only had a .500 winning percentage. My point is, for every QB with a winning record, I can easily bring up a Hall of Famer with a losing record.

And Sonny isn't that old. He played under Coach Allen. He played against Terry Bradshaw.

Quarterbacks only become valuable behind a good O-line. They're too often under-recognized and fans take them for granted.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

try hitting refresh....thats weird.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Our Team's Ratings

Ratings (based on CURRENT level of play, NOT potential):
Above Average
Average
Poor


QB- Campbell: Poor
RB- Portis: Average
WR- Moss: Above Average
WR- Kelly: Poor
WR- RandelEl: Poor
TE- Cooley: Above Average
LT- Samuels: Average
LG- Dockery: Poor
C- Raeback: Average
RG- ???????: Poor
RT- Heyer: Poor

DE- Daniels: Poor
DT- Griffin: Above Average
DT- Haynesworth: Above Average
DE- Carter: Poor
LB- Orakpo: Poor
LB- Fletcher: Above Average
LB- McIntosh: Average
CB- Rogers: Poor
CB- Hall: Average
SS- Horton: Average
FS- Landry: Average

P- Smith: Above Average
K- Suisham: Poor

PR- ARE: Poor
KR- Cartwright: Poor

HC- Zorn: Poor
DC- Blache: Average
OC- Smith: Poor

Owner- Snyder: Poor
GM- Cerrato: Piss Poor


Based on these simple rankings, it's time to blow this thing up and keep only the following players:

Moss
Cooley
Griffin
Haynesworth
Fletcher
Hunter Smith
Keep Orakpo, but only as a DE
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This is assanine. Have you never heard of comparing apples to apples. I'm not sure who's worse off, you for the time you put into it, or me for the time I lost actually reading it.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 28, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

You cite Moon and Bulger.

OK.

You're right, Bulger WAS a good QB with some talent around him.

Same goes for Moon.

They key verb being WAS. Those guys were actually good - for long or short periods of time.

JC is a NEVER BEEN.

After five years.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Zorn was a quarterback's coach given the head job of this team. Hindsight is easy, but this one had bad decision written all over it then. The Laurel and Hardy of the NFL. "Well Stanley, this is another fine mess you've gotten me into." Thank you Dan and Vinnie.
I will always be a Skins fan, but this season is over. Thank God for what I believe to be a great basketball and hockey year in the making.

Posted by: coastallp74 | September 28, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

hey lilhollywood10 (geez does that mean there is 9 of you?)...

dont know what game you were watching.. Or, maybe you really are JC's Momma who could be blinded by the facts and the truth..

It WAS a prevent D when Cartwright scored. It was not midway through the 4th Qtr. There was only 2 minutes 43 seconds left in the game. And it was a two possession game at that time. Skins needed two TDs to win.. So, just like the week before, Jason racked up huge stats because the other team left the middle open for completions which would run out the clock. Actually the Lions did this two times.. Once on the Cartwright score and prevent D again at the last 40 seconds of the game when the Skins got the ball back and the Lions gave JC anything he wanted to complete as long as it wasnt a TD (a FG was worthless).
Look at the play by play.. Like the week before, a huge chunk of JC's stats are in prevent D scenarios.

lilhollywood..to help your fact checking accuracy, visit..

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009092702/2009/REG3/redskins@lions#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay
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lilhollywood10 wrote"
mop up duty? u think a team with a 19 game losing streak trots out the prevent defense at the beginning of the third q or something. moss scored in the third q, cartwright in the middle of the 4th. watch the game.

and if it's all bout w's and l's why'd the hometown fans boo the home team after a win. which is it the w-l record or the stats? cuz we tried to trade JC for cutler's stats eventhough they had the same record.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 4:13 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Same goes for Fouts.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Blaming Zorn (exclusively) is like blaming the lookout on the Titanic. Who's the captain of this ship? Fire Vinny, get Danny out of the front office, and get a real GM to run the show. Arguing for any change LESS than this is dangerous, because it will buy these clowns more time. If you truly love the Skins, and want them to build a real team, as Baltimore has done, as Atlanta has done, then you gotta pour some kerosene on this season and let it burn, baby. Only abject humiliation will get Danny to change his ways.

Let's start talking about which GM or up-and-coming GM could be a possibility. Again, the talk on the blogs helped steer Danny away from Fassel, so these discussions can affect things.

The irony is the GM is, obviously, not a salary-capped position. Danny coukld pay $10 million for the very best on Earth. But for all the credit he gets from some fans for spending money, he doesn't spend it on the most important position on the team.

Stay mediocre.

Posted by: minorthread | September 28, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I can NOT believe Zorn still has his job. Fire he and Blache and promote Bugel until the season's over at which time they can hire a competent GM. Let the rebuilding begin AGAIN. This season is over. He will be fired during the bye week.

Posted by: tdpillo123 | September 28, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

4th

I dont understand why you are so impressed with McDaniels and the Broncos. They have played Cincy, Cleveland and Oakland. If not for an act of god they would be 2-1.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | September 28, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

DUDE...HAVE YOU NOT WATCHED DENVER's GAMES LAST YEAR? ALL THEY DID WAS PASS THE BALL CUZ THEY OLINE SUCKED MISREABLY!

They didn't have any 1,000 yard RBs last year. They didn't turnover the OLine. It's the same OLine that couldn't block last year that is blocking this year.


You're either not watching, not paying attention or you are most certainly a fool and an insufferable one at that. DUDE the REDSKINS HAD THE OLDEST MOST INFIRM LINE IN THE NFL when they started the season! NOT DENVER, Washington!?

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

@ MrRedskin21

You can't be "BEEN" if you never "HAD". Let's be honest, the 'Skins, with the exception of Portis and Cooley, never had good talent. Moon and Bulger had the talent to win division titles. We haven't won the division since 1999 and we certainly haven't had the talent to do it in the 2000s.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Try using this logic in the real world. It doesn't work that way. Next time you mess up at work or don't meet your goals, blame the person who hired you. See how far you get.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 28, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

When I served in the Navy each individual was held accountable for their own actions, but the Captain of the ship was overall responsible for what happened on the ship. It is often the same in the corporate world when CEOs are shown the door when the fail to meet the fiscal goals (though they are usually given a 24kt gold parachute). Zorn hasn't blamed Synder, we the fans have... and we don't work for Synder. Therefor for us to say that Synder is to blame plays no part in your misdirected analogy. Everyone knows the problem with this team starts with the ownership, unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a plausible solution to this problem.

Posted by: bleed-burgundy-n-gold | September 28, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm sitting here watching highlights of the NFL games from yesterday and it seems that every team is making plays,attacking the endzone and scoring points. WTF is Zorn's offensive philosophy? Is it to use 3 plays to obtain a 1st down (one first down at a time). With 12 seconds left in the Vikings game, Farve threw a TD (IN THE ENDZONE). On the skins last play of the game, they threw a Fu&%$%^ hook and ladder. Again WTF is Zorn's philosophy?????????????????

Posted by: pennstate1 | September 28, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

@ MrRedskin21

Our beloved Hall of Famer Sonny Jurgensen had a career record 69-73-7. I guess that means he's a terrible QB and doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

sonny played on some of the worst teams in the NFL in the eagles and skins of the 60's. despite that, he was first in passing yards for most of the 60's and retired w/ the 3rd most passing yards in nfl history. he threw for 32 td's in a 14 games season. in a 16 game season, that would be good for 9th best all time. the comparison is laughable.

but it's besides the point because campbell clearly isnt the problem with this team.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 28, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I personally believe that this team blows.

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | September 28, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I think there has to be a logical progression in this thing with Zorn. There are first steps that need to be taken, ie.e play calling duties will go to someone else. Something along those lines. If they fire Zorn now, it feeds into the theory that Snyder is an impetuous 9wner, and then we cant attract anyone else.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Redskins confirming the Redskins plane has touched down in Denver, but it is NOT Redskins related - it is being used (borrowed) for business. Hmmm.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 28, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

This is what happens in Redskins close losses: We are ALWAYS DOWN by 2 scores. JC17 does a hurry up for 100% completion and TD. We get the ball back ALWAYS with 30secs to 1 minute left. NEver enough time to score.

JC17's stats improve and the score 'appears' closer.

The team was booed last week because they stunk it up like yesterday. LAst week was the precursor. The fans are ahead of the curve.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

with such a great D how are we always down 2 scores? why has our d spotted points to each of our past 3 opponents in the 1st quarter? it'd be nice to shut out the other team in the first half rather for once.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I know we're all supposed to be slitting our wrists or donning our cement shoes right now, but can anyone else not wait for the Cowboys to be 0-2 at Jerry World tonight? Our team may suck monkey nuts, but at least we'll have the Cowboys with us in the NFC East basement.

Go Panthers!

Posted by: PDiddy | September 28, 2009 4:35 PM

True. Nothing like having your rival's house burn down to make you feel better about your what's left of you own house.

Posted by: skinswest | September 28, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

4th

I dont understand why you are so impressed with McDaniels and the Broncos. They have played Cincy, Cleveland and Oakland. If not for an act of god they would be 2-1.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | September 28, 2009 4:54 PM

And we have played NYG, Detriot, and and St. Louis. And we are 1-2. Ans ahould be 0-3 (Horton saved us against St. Louis).

What was your point? Oh, JC?

So, JC17 has played simialr oppennents and has a worse record. And McDaniels didn't want him.

I am not impressed with McDaniels at all. But, they are 3-0. AND, they had the opportunity to get JC17 and they didn't want him.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

@ dcsportsfan1

Believe me, I wasn't comparing JC to Sonny. I was just illustrating that a QB's win record isn't the best indicator of his abilities. Clearly, Sonny's win percentage did not illustrate his skills. While I don't think JC is as good as Sonny, I don't think JC's win record necessarily reflects his skills either.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Bean - whered you see that?

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 28, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins Organization and Philosophy is HIV Positive, and about to have Full Blown AIDS, Does anyone, anyone have the cure?????????????????????????????????????????????????

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | September 28, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I thought McDaniel's was an idiot for the way he handled the Cutler fiasco but I have to admit that he has his team playing hard. They seem to have bought into whatever he's coaching. Can't say the same for the way the skins have played.

That fluke Cincy win in week one doesn't look so bad now that they've beaten GB at home and the Steelers.

Posted by: skinswest | September 28, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Is it worth starting todd Collins and see what happens?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

with such a great D how are we always down 2 scores? why has our d spotted points to each of our past 3 opponents in the 1st quarter? it'd be nice to shut out the other team in the first half rather for once.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 5:09 PM

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=ALL&tabSeq=2&role=TM&statisticCategory=SCORING&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-n=1

If we scored more, it wouldn't be a problem.

#3 Dallas @ 32.5
#4 Philly @ 31.3
#7 NYG @ 26.7
#29 Skins @ 13.3

Mind you all of this is Per Game. Out defense hasn't allowed ANY of these avereaegs YTD so far!

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: bleed-burgundy-n-gold | September 28, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The person I was responding to was stating that Zorn shared no blame because he did not infact hire himself. At the end of the day I agree the blame rests with Snyder. But to say Jim Zorn shares no blame is ignoring the facts. There are so many statements in your post I disagree with I could write a thesis paper.

Also please save the lecture about life experiences. I'm not 10 and your not the only one with experience in the world.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 28, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The thing is that JC isn't playing bad. That's the issue with replacing him. you have to find someone better than him that's available. Collins is terrible in this system. He wasn't even good against second team defenses in the preseason. The biggest problem facing this offense is the run game or lack thereof. The defense can't get anybody off the field either. Fix those two problems first then worry about JC.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 28, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse
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Its so easy to blame the QB cause he's the face of the franchise, but Paskinsfan has said it best. Football, unlike other team sports, is most like an orchestra. The whole is the sum of its parts. The defense was horribly yesterday, the running game atrocious. In order for an offense to be successful (unless your qb's name is Peyton, Tom, or Drew) the O-Line, running game, and passing attack have to move in concert. When your lead runner is getting 42 yards against the Lions, you have a problem.
I'm not sure why this is so hard for people on the boards to understand.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 28, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Blaming Zorn (exclusively) is like blaming the lookout on the Titanic. Who's the captain of this ship? Fire Vinny, get Danny out of the front office, and get a real GM to run the show. Arguing for any change LESS than this is dangerous, because it will buy these clowns more time. If you truly love the Skins, and want them to build a real team, as Baltimore has done, as Atlanta has done, then you gotta pour some kerosene on this season and let it burn, baby. Only abject humiliation will get Danny to change his ways.

Let's start talking about which GM or up-and-coming GM could be a possibility. Again, the talk on the blogs helped steer Danny away from Fassel, so these discussions can affect things.

The irony is the GM is, obviously, not a salary-capped position. Danny coukld pay $10 million for the very best on Earth. But for all the credit he gets from some fans for spending money, he doesn't spend it on the most important position on the team.

Stay mediocre.

Posted by: minorthread | September 28, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Great post... totally agree, but I don't think any quality GM will come to work for Synder and Synder won't give enough control to a young up and coming GM. We now have an owner that gets his name into the same sentence as Al Davis and Jerry Jones by the sports world... nuff said.

Posted by: bleed-burgundy-n-gold | September 28, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Is it worth starting todd Collins and see what happens?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I honestly don't see how JC17 is the problem, but at this point it doesn't matter. I mean if you just wanted to like do some hands on troubleshooting of this problem you would but, to be honest when has Todd Collins ever Thrown for 340yds. not knocking him, I just don't see JC17 as the problem.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | September 28, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Adrian Peterson was unable to run against the Lions but they still beat them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Zorn says Albert has a strained butt
Posted by Mike Florio on September 28, 2009 4:30 PM ET
When Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth took a cart ride in the first half of Sunday's loss to the Lions, it didn't look good. Especially when he draped a towel completely over his head, like a guy who was doing a perp walk.

But Haynesworth returned, and it was called a hip injury.

Technically, it was a butt injury.

"He actually has a strained glut," Zorn said of Haynesworth, in comments distributed by the team. "It's high up on his hip I think he's going to be fine."

So, basically, the guy who has from time to time been a pain in the ass now has a pain in the ass.

Seems about right.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 28, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

True dat 4th..

12 of JC's 27 total completions, yesterday, were with 5 minutes left in the game and the Lions were in a prevent D, knowing the Skins had to score twice (19-7).
You'll see the same late stats in the Rams game..
On paper it makes JC look like an average NFL QB..But, if you look at his stats when the game counts.. He is at the bottom. Look at all the incompletes (overthrows) when the passes are normally defended..

The more you research..the more he appears to be a fraud behind some misleading stats.

Count em..
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009092702/2009/REG3/redskins@lions#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay

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This is what happens in Redskins close losses: We are ALWAYS DOWN by 2 scores. JC17 does a hurry up for 100% completion and TD. We get the ball back ALWAYS with 30secs to 1 minute left. NEver enough time to score.

JC17's stats improve and the score 'appears' closer.

The team was booed last week because they stunk it up like yesterday. LAst week was the precursor. The fans are ahead of the curve.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 4:32 PM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS TEAM?

99% of us on these boards are common fans who feel hopless in their role in trying to get this team on track. But there is something we can do - but it takes a Village to fight an Idiot...we all need to be a part of this.

Stop buying ANYTHING redskins based...if you already spent $ on tickets you have evey right to go to the game but avoid the concession stands like the plague. BUY NOTHING....Send a message until the ownership gets their sh!t together they get no more of our money.

This is not an easy thing to pull off but the dedication of redskin fans makes it possible. Join together and send this dipsh1t owner a message. He gets no more of our $$$ until he proves he knows what to do with it.

Posted by: marksmen | September 28, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

with such a great D how are we always down 2 scores? why has our d spotted points to each of our past 3 opponents in the 1st quarter? it'd be nice to shut out the other team in the first half rather for once.

Posted by: lilhollywood10

This is an idiotic statement. Are you saying that the Offense does not get the ball in the first half? Why are they not scoring points when they have the ball? Why are they not helping the D by converting 3rd downs and putting the D in a position to be up by two scores going into the 2nd half?

The D may not be playing as we expected, but don't act like the O is not getting the ball or opportunities in the first half.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

with such a great D how are we always down 2 scores? why has our d spotted points to each of our past 3 opponents in the 1st quarter? it'd be nice to shut out the other team in the first half rather for once.

Posted by: lilhollywood10

Yes, the defense has been pretty bad but the team is always down because the offense CANNOT score touchdowns. All you can ask from the defense is for them to give you a chance to win the game, at some point the offense must step up and help the team. The game was 13-7 for almost the entire 4th quarter but the offense just could not do anything. No defense is going to shut out a team every single quarter. The defense, as bad as it was, only gave up 19 points and if we had a functional offense, we should've been able to score 3 touchdowns.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 28, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Going to work in DC this morning was great!
Skins lost to the lowly Lions & The Steelers were beat up by the Bengals with some fool named Ochocinco for a name. Now all you Cowboy haters will talk trash about how we lost last week against the Giants in our $1.3B stadium, but I'll put you in your place real quick...we can score where you can not. Simply put...Change your team name to the Washington Donkeys named after the largest jackass of all.... Dan "The Dumbass" Snyder. Josh Johnson (who?) is going to light you up next week at Manure Field since the Skins play like $#@&! LOL!!!

Posted by: Witten82 | September 28, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

lilhollywood10- If you haven't noticed yet, the NFL is all about scoring points. If you can't score in this league you're pretty much screwed.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 28, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I love how greg comes out with his PFT rumor just before quitting time to stir the pot.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Mind you all of this is Per Game. Out defense hasn't allowed ANY of these avereaegs YTD so far!

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

we only played on of those teams and they didn't have to reach their avg to beat us. ppg are great stats and all but u can win a game 2-0,3-0,7-0. so our offense is only good for 1 or 2 tds per game. all that means is the d has to play out of their minds until the o catches up. i know a lot of us don't like the O or JC, but have yall seen the passion from the Defense?they are going through the motions. we will see their intensity and effort drop off as long as folks ignore their shortcomings. look at the defenses of the 3-0 teams in the nfl how does our defense stack up to them (we know our O doesn't).

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

witten82,

Go f_ck yourself, and come back on here tomorrow after your team loses tonight.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of hearing that Zorn was only a QB coach and has never been a OC. John Harburgh was a special teams/defensive backs coach prior to becoming the coach of the UNDEFEATED Ravens. Zorn is too (Norv Turner) soft and his team is a direct reflection of him.

Posted by: pennstate1 | September 28, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

This JC stuff is getting old. You don't need a super star QB to win. JC is a good QB and he's not to blame for this mess. Really, how many superstar QBs are in the league right now, maybe three? It's the coaching and team around him on both sides of the ball that must be better. Hell, when I think about it, we have 3 championships and we've never had a bonafide super star at QB.

Posted by: dcwun | September 28, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

15600_sknfan

I agree. I dont think JC17 is the blame for all of the team woes. I think the decision making has to imporve. More than a couple of times yesterday he threw into double coverage. And I remember clearly on one play he threw into triple coverage. If the Lions defense has better hands, he easily throws four interceptions.

That said, the protection is not there as it should be. It is not terrible, but it is not great. Campbell is decent for what he has around him.

I was wondering if the folks that are throwing JC17 under the bus, whether they felt that starting Collins would be a viable alternative.

I think Campbell is an average QB...but with our defensive (except for yesterday) that is all we NEED. We would obviously like more but what can you do.

What were Dilfers stats the year the Ravens won the superbowl. He was not lighting it up out there. he made enough plays to keep them in the game and the Defense took care of the rest. I think that is the model that the front office ius trying to follow but have been unsuccessful up to this point.

Keep Zorn...keep Campbell...have the players keep the players accountable.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The good news is that Matt Millen isn't our GM now - because he would trade JC for Vince Young...

Posted by: ssh1549 | September 28, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Its US the FANS, we have to change.

We are the ones who come into every season with these expectations. What would Snyder do if he thought the people who cared about his team, just stopped and waited for him to do something and stopped caring, worrying, spending, hoping, wishing, cheering, booing, Blogging. What if all of this stopped until he does something?

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | September 28, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

witten82,

Go f_ck yourself, and come back on here tomorrow after your team loses tonight.

Posted by: Flounder21

You heard the man Witten82. F-off.

Posted by: dcwun | September 28, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the defense has been pretty bad but the team is always down because the offense CANNOT score touchdowns.
Posted by: rachel216 | September 28, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

since when did not scoring a td give the other team points. just because u don't score doesn't mean they have to. do any of us remember when bmore had no offenst at all and was just punishing people with the D. i'm talkin' bout the first ravens crew with the goose and sam adams on the line. they kept the scores low, regardless of how many points Dilfer scored or jamal lewis ran for. i'm telling you if u keep the other team from scoring they can't win the game (see the season pener vs. the Giants last year)

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

PFT has learned that the Washington Redskins are in preliminary discussions with the Denver Bronco's to trade Ladell Betts, and a 2010 Second Round pick to them in exchange for Brandon Marshall. It is believed that the Redskins would then extend the contract of Marshall. Stay tuned"

What the heck......this sucks
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This is BS but if it was true, Zorn wouldn't play Brandon until he knows every play in the playbook(next year) When brandon does play, he'll catch a bunch of 5 yard passes and will blocked for Cooley.

Posted by: pennstate1 | September 28, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

The game was 13-7 for almost the entire 4th quarter but the offense just could not do anything.

Posted by: rachel216

It would have remained that way if the Ref had not anticipated the contact with Horton. Even if the receiver was by himself the ball would have sailed out of bounds. That was a third down play, but instead of punting, they got first and goal from the one.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Rachel, nice post at 5:24p

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad that the last Redskins home game I went to, Jack Kent Cooke was still the owner.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I'll say it again: The NFL is all about SCORING! SCORING POINTS!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 28, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

LANDRY BLOWS!!! Keep Horton, he actually makes plays, trade LL30 for picks and pick up Taylor Mays out of USC next year.

From Wikipedia:

"Mays said he's modeled his game after the late Sean Taylor, who starred at the University of Miami and with the Washington Redskins before being shot to death by an intruder at his home a year ago.

"He's been my favorite player," Mays said. "I look up to (former USC safety) Ronnie Lott, too. That's what's special being in this program, living up to the safeties here."

Full article http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?id=3745225§ion=ncf

Posted by: whittier_redskins | September 28, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

all u todd collins fans, when was the last time todd collins threw a td in an NFL game? he's a joke and anyone who's callin fer collins is a bigger joke

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

There are only 4 teams in the league that have given up less points per game then us.

NYJ
NYG
Colts
Seahawks

There are only 4 teams in the league that have scored less points then us.

Raiders
Browns
Rams
Panthers they have only played two games so this could change.

But your right Hollywood it's the defenses fault we should shut everyone out.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

It would have remained that way if the Ref had not anticipated the contact with Horton. Even if the receiver was by himself the ball would have sailed out of bounds. That was a third down play, but instead of punting, they got first and goal from the one.
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That was a horrible call, but not an excuse for us to lose the game.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 28, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, Witten, it's way too freakin' early for anyone following the Arlington Cowboys to be talking any kind of smack this year. Your team WILL fall apart this year, and the difference between the Cowboys and the 'Skins is thus - When "America's Team" falls flat on their ass, everybody cares, because with the exception of their misguided fan base, everyone loves it when the Cowboys implode.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 28, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

lilhollywood, are you serious? So it's your position that the D has to play lights out to compensate for the woeful offense? You do realize the Skins don't have anything resembling the 2000 Ravens D?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 28, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Witten82 | September 28, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse


Yee-haw! Hey dere, Brandine, how bout dem 'Boys?! We's lookin' great what wit dat Rony Homo throwin' the ball to de guys what be wearin' da diffrint coler' jersey!

Oooh, wook at all dem purty pichures up on dat dere big tee vee. Who needs playoff wins when we ca' watc Jerry Jones pick his nose on dat big scareen!

Throw another possum on de grill, it Mondayy nigh'!

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 28, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Who says you cant learn tings from rehab...

Zorn desperately needs to exert control over this team. Whether it is a system of fines or maybe bench a markee player (Portis?)

I sadi it before, I would like to see what kind of spark Aldridge would be to the run game. Is he more capable of avoiding contact? Can he maintain his balance when the first contact is made?

It seems like when Portis is about to get touched he falls forward...why not try to break a tackle?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

hollywood,

To say we should be as good as that Ravens defense is a joke and makes you look like a idiot.

The Ravens defense this year has given up more points then us, but there offense has scored way more points that why they are 3-0.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

That should have said the Ravens defense of 2000 sorry.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: whittier_redskins | September 28, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Curzon417

lilhollywood10- Sorry you didn't get what I'm saying... what I'm saying is the team is down because the offense can't score touchdowns to keep up with the other team. You need to get over the fact that we don't have a SHUTDOWN D, and we need to score points. What you want is for the D to pitch a shutout every single game so all the offense has to do is score 1 TD, well let me tell you now: That's never going to happen. You need to score points to win in this league.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 28, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

kingtutts...

absolutely. I should have put that in there. With the talent on our roster, the score should not have been that close. I did like the fact that it looked like we took more shots downfield.

In time, the rythym will get there and we will start hitting a few of those. it only takes one for JC17 to get some confidence back. His confidence had to be shaken earl;ier in the year and I think his mind is telling him to play not to lose.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Da Mayor - I'd love to hear more about what the players are saying besides sticking up for Zorn. Is anyone manning up and saying enough is enough or are excuses and head scratching continuing?

Theorertically we aren't put to a 'real' test for 3 more weeks so while I'll be delighted with a win against TB, Panthers and KC not a single one of those teams is a contender right now. On paper we should be able to handle them each and every one.

So if we go 2-1 let's say how does that impact the mentality of the team. Do they get back into swagger mode? Do we become blind to what happened the last two weeks? Especially if we win the way we did against STL?
Yes a W is a W but at some point W's against hapless bottom feeders isn't going to get you far.

Posted by: sfskin | September 28, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

15600_sknfan

I agree. I dont think JC17 is the blame for all of the team woes. I think the decision making has to imporve. More than a couple of times yesterday he threw into double coverage. And I remember clearly on one play he threw into triple coverage. If the Lions defense has better hands, he easily throws four interceptions.

That said, the protection is not there as it should be. It is not terrible, but it is not great. Campbell is decent for what he has around him.

I was wondering if the folks that are throwing JC17 under the bus, whether they felt that starting Collins would be a viable alternative.

I think Campbell is an average QB...but with our defensive (except for yesterday) that is all we NEED. We would obviously like more but what can you do.

What were Dilfers stats the year the Ravens won the superbowl. He was not lighting it up out there. he made enough plays to keep them in the game and the Defense took care of the rest. I think that is the model that the front office ius trying to follow but have been unsuccessful up to this point.

Keep Zorn...keep Campbell...have the players keep the players accountable.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya, but I think we have a long way to go before we can even begin to take on that kind of Identity. As easy as it sounds you BALTIMORE WAS DOMINATING TEAMS THAT YEAR I mean there Defense was scoring.

I think holding JC to a QB that simply manages the game would be an insult to is God Gifted Talent. I mean he is the prototypical NFL QB - 6"5' with a string arm. If all we wanted was a QB to manage the game then Todd Ball it is, he is certainly more knowledgeable about the game then JC. But we want a Pro Bowl QB at least thats what I think the Plan for JC17 is.
I was wondering if the folks that are throwing JC17 under the bus, whether they felt that starting Collins would be a viable alternative.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | September 28, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

zorn is a premier a--hole as a coach his stupid play calling is the big reason washington does not score in the red zone..he try's to get fancy instead of throwing some fade patterns or spreading everyone out and running the football MAN ON MAN IDIOT!! stop running always to the left side of the line. make heyer and rinehart in practice get on the sled and practice more at basic run blocking strategy and run at times to the right in the games even if not for many yards at least teams will not load up on the left side knowing that this knuckle-head coach will run in that direction.blache needs to GO immediately get rid on MOST of the defensive players who are past thirty(except fletcher,and maybe daniels put him at dt he is too slow to play de).

Posted by: wathu19 | September 28, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

100 Million and gets hurt sacking the QB. He didn't even fall on his Butt. Someone must have kicked him in his AZZ on the way down cause he fell on his BIG Stomach.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | September 28, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Collins was rated number one in the NFL when he last played, 18 months ago (higher than Brady. Won NFL player of month going undefeated in the regular season as a Skin.

He beat NYG in NJ in a must win for the Gints (who went on to win the SB), throwing for twice the yardage as Eli.
Beat the Cowboys too when they had to win.

He went 4-0 and bailed out the skins when they were in a 0-4 losing streak, including the come from behind to beat the Bears after Campbell was injured.

It took him 4 games to be just one completion short of equaling JC's total output in 12 games for passes completed over 40 yards.

All this with the same personnel that JC was taking the Skins to last place.

The only reason JC never had to compete for his job was that Snyder gave up two Firsts (one to Denver and one that was used to select him) and a 3rd and a 4th plus a huge signing bonus.


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all u todd collins fans, when was the last time todd collins threw a td in an NFL game? he's a joke and anyone who's callin fer collins is a bigger joke

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 5:35 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Is it Zorn's fault that Portis dives three yards before getting near the goal line?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Marksmen-I couldn't agree with you more! You have a greedy owner that does nothing more than...

#1 increase the cost of tickets and beer each year for a piss poor performance.

#2 sues a church located on the stadium grounds for parking revenue on Sundays

#3 sues the fans for not being able to come up with the cash for ticket packages (since he knows nobody else will support a losing team)

#4 cuts down hundreds of trees in a state park and pays the fine with YOUR money in order to view the Potomac from his crib

#5 continues to bring in over the hill players which continue to flop over and over again (ie. Stubby, Dan Wilkinson, Bruce Smith, Deion, Jason Taylor, and let us not forget your $100 Million Man (Fat Albert which has been laying on his arse twice now in 3 games)

My entire family are Redskin fans, however I jumped ship a long time ago because of Snyder's greed. As long as you continue to support his greedy ways, you will continue to be on the short end of the stick...period!

Posted by: Witten82 | September 28, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Sherman Smith needs to start calling the plays. Now.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 28, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

all u todd collins fans, when was the last time todd collins threw a td in an NFL game? he's a joke and anyone who's callin fer collins is a bigger joke

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 5:35 PM |
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You posted this yesterday too.

Tell your Uncle Jason that as much as his detractors wish otherwise, he WILL be starting this week against Tampa, so there's no need to start crying just yet.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | September 28, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Without a better option at RB, it will not get any better. Here in Cheyenne, I have to go to a sports bar to watch the games and of course the Skins game will have no sound.

But it didnt take long to realize that when JC17 threw the ball, no matter who it was towo, it seemed like there were two or three lions standing there waiting. its because they do not respect our run and everyone plays us back.

Who on the roster is going to break off a 50 yd touchdown run...no one at this point.
We picked up the "change-of-pace" back but have failed to use him.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Witten,

You junped ship from being a Skins fan to a Cowboys fan? Then you were never a skins fan to begin with.

That being said, I can't argue with any of the points you wrote on why Snyder is a d@ck.

Posted by: Moose33 | September 28, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Last year are defense was 4th we only gave up 18.5 points per game.

Our offense however could only score 16.6 points per game.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has lost the team that is obvious. They look unorganized and there is nothing but chaos on this team. Having said that it still starts at the top. Danny needs to realize that he needs to hire an exceptional GM and fire Vinny. No more excuses their plan has failed time and time again. Fans are tired of the losing and average football. Time to demand excellence! This will be painful but I will not purchase season tickets until changes are made. I'm asking my fellow ticket holders to do the same. We can't keep giving Dan Snyder our money so he can go and waste it away. Danny hire a GM fire Danny and stay the f out of the way!

Posted by: bigjofc | September 28, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Is it worth starting todd Collins and see what happens?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 5:15 PM |
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Yes.

If nothing else, we'll find out if HE can run Zorn's playbook and get the offense 21+ points per game on a steady basis.

If he does, then all the JC groupies will have to find another excuse as to why JC isn't getting it done.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Good call Moose,

no way a true former skins fan decides to follow the cowboys.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Collins was rated number one in the NFL when he last played, 18 months ago (higher than Brady. Won NFL player of month going undefeated in the regular season as a Skin.

He beat NYG in NJ in a must win for the Gints (who went on to win the SB), throwing for twice the yardage as Eli.
Beat the Cowboys too when they had to win.

He went 4-0 and bailed out the skins when they were in a 0-4 losing streak, including the come from behind to beat the Bears after Campbell was injured.

It took him 4 games to be just one completion short of equaling JC's total output in 12 games for passes completed over 40 yards.

All this with the same personnel that JC was taking the Skins to last place.

The only reason JC never had to compete for his job was that Snyder gave up two Firsts (one to Denver and one that was used to select him) and a 3rd and a 4th plus a huge signing bonus.


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all u todd collins fans, when was the last time todd collins threw a td in an NFL game? he's a joke and anyone who's callin fer collins is a bigger joke

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 28, 2009 5:35 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse
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hahahahahahaha
He followed Al Saunders around and was in his offense for something like 5 years before that. He was Trent Green's backup in KC I believe. he's a system qb. That whole argument is bum logic.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 28, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

The only way Witten catches any TDs tonight is if he gets traded to the Panthers now.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

ThinkingMan, what no moaning just constructive thoughts. What I do not understand, is from this fans view, why the ownership does not game the system. With the Redskins revenue stream. They could hire fifty or more of the best scouts around the league. And start building the way Bobby Beathard did finding better free agents and low round picks. Scouts do not count against the cap. They also need much better NFL personnel evaluation. What teams have less injuries that the Redskins? What are they doing?

The problem with Dan Synder is he is not a fan he is a showman. Always going for the big splash. Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Albert Haynesworth are examples.

We have known for years that their were offensive line problems but have not addressed them. Chris Samuels is 32 and coming off surgery, Casey Rabach is 32, the only offensive lineman in his prime is Derrick Dockery.

We drafted two Wide receivers in the second round last year but neither of them have had much impact. Fred Davis was a luxury we could not afford with the OL needs. Clinton Portis is 28 and Ladell Betts is thirty on the down side of their careers as running backs.


We know that we need a linebacker, London Fletcher is 34 and Rocky McIntosh has had how many knee operations. Cornelius Griffin will be 33 in a couple of months, Phillip Daniels is 36 at least we have some replacements on the team.

Posted by: Oldtimer42 | September 28, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Is it worth starting todd Collins and see what happens?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 5:15 PM |
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Yes.

If nothing else, we'll find out if HE can run Zorn's playbook and get the offense 21+ points per game on a steady basis.

If he does, then all the JC groupies will have to find another excuse as to why JC isn't getting it done.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, Do you really believe TC will lead us to a Super Bowl. This is the question you have to ask. If not JC then you may as well go with someone young. TC is done after this year if he plays. What is he 49 yrs old?

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | September 28, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

The 2000 Ravens offense averaged 20.8 points per game.

They also averaged 313 yards per game.

Thats better then the Skins last season and this season.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

DC's O is is ranked 18th in the NFL on 3rd down conversions at 38%, thanks in part to 20% yesterday. Sonny's career TD% is 6. Soupy's is 3.1. Collins is 3.5; 4.8 when he led DC to the 2007 playoffs. Any team should want to play a QB that can read a defense and throw the ball to the open man on time; except this one apparently.

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The only reason JC never had to compete for his job was that Snyder gave up two Firsts (one to Denver and one that was used to select him) and a 3rd and a 4th plus a huge signing bonus.


You would be wrong here Gibbs gave all that up for JC he was in chage.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, you are delusional. Dirty 30 is a straight player, who is out of position. As a SS he would be Pro Bowl bound, no questions asked....instead he is put into a finesse slot that is not his game.

You can say that ST21 was able to do it, but we all know ST21 was a once in a generation athlete and football talent. Its not even right to compare LL to ST21 ever...

They need to get a FS in place and let LL make plays!

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LANDRY BLOWS!!! Keep Horton, he actually makes plays, trade LL30 for picks and pick up Taylor Mays out of USC next year.

From Wikipedia:

"Mays said he's modeled his game after the late Sean Taylor, who starred at the University of Miami and with the Washington Redskins before being shot to death by an intruder at his home a year ago.

"He's been my favorite player," Mays said. "I look up to (former USC safety) Ronnie Lott, too. That's what's special being in this program, living up to the safeties here."

Full article http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?id=3745225§ion=ncf

Posted by: whittier_redskins | September 28, 2009 5:35 PM |

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | September 28, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

My entire family are Redskin fans, however I jumped ship a long time ago because of Snyder's greed. As long as you continue to support his greedy ways, you will continue to be on the short end of the stick...period!

Posted by: Witten82
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That's so frickin' stupid. Leaving the Skins (Dan Snyder) for the Cowboys (Jerry Jones) because of Snyder's greed? That's like saying "I started doing heroin because the cocaine was killing me." Why don't you check out how happy the Cowboy fans are with Jerry's greed at the link below.

http://www.disgustedbyjerry.com/

Posted by: RITCA | September 28, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, Do you really believe TC will lead us to a Super Bowl. This is the question you have to ask. If not JC then you may as well go with someone young. TC is done after this year if he plays. What is he 49 yrs old?

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | September 28, 2009 6:05 PM |
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Super Bowl????

At this point I'm sure the team would settle for winning A game.

You want to hate on Collins while defending JC. That's not transparent or anything, eh?

JC must have most of his family, college buddies, neighbors and Facebook friends on this board to defend him day and night.

Res Ipsa Loquitur.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Moose-

I had season tickets when JKC was the owner and went to countless games at RFK when the hogs & the posse were legit. However, as soon as Snyder took your team over I knew it was the beginning of the end and gave up my tickets. Guess what...I was right! In order to go to a game at FedEx at 1PM, you better leave at 9AM or earlier or good luck seeing the opening kickoff. Even if you do get there early... guess what, you can't tailgate where you want because Danny Boy wants more loot from you. Who in the hell has a designated tailgate section at a stadium? To make matters worse...you can't walk to FedEx from Landover Mall because you'll be charged with trespassing on stadium grounds. Can you see why I jumped ship now????? I refuse to give that Donkey any of my money. Snyder would have to pay me to attend a game and even then I would say "piss off"! As long as you continue to attend games, he's making more and more money. I would really like to see what happens if you all decide to boycott. It would be very interesting.

Posted by: Witten82 | September 28, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

this would be a more entertaining trade if Vinny gives up the First Round pick in 2010 for Marshall.
Denver acquired Marshall in the 2006 Draft using a 4th round pick given to them from the Skins that Vinny traded to Denver (along with a 1st and 3rd, too) so the Skins could move up in the 2005 Draft to select Jason Campbell..
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beany wrote..

PFT has learned that the Washington Redskins are in preliminary discussions with the Denver Bronco's to trade Ladell Betts, and a 2010 Second Round pick to them in exchange for Brandon Marshall. It is believed that the Redskins would then extend the contract of Marshall. Stay tuned"

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, Do you really believe TC will lead us to a Super Bowl. This is the question you have to ask. If not JC then you may as well go with someone young. TC is done after this year if he plays. What is he 49 yrs old?

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | September 28, 2009 6:05 PM |
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Super Bowl????

At this point I'm sure the team would settle for winning A game.

You want to hate on Collins while defending JC. That's not transparent or anything, eh?

JC must have most of his family, college buddies, neighbors and Facebook friends on this board to defend him day and night.

Res Ipsa Loquitur.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

No, just using a little logic. It is a question posed to you.... If you can't say yes then please get TC off your tongue. TC will not last a whole season, he can only give us a few games, this is why they will not bench Campbell for him. All I'm saying is if not JC then you might as well call it a season and go get the next would be Franchise QB. NOT COLLINS.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | September 28, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

No, just using a little logic. It is a question posed to you.... If you can't say yes then please get TC off your tongue. TC will not last a whole season, he can only give us a few games, this is why they will not bench Campbell for him. All I'm saying is if not JC then you might as well call it a season and go get the next would be Franchise QB. NOT COLLINS.

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Read for content, Einstein. The question was:

Is it worth starting todd Collins and see what happens?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 5:15 PM |
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Yes.

If nothing else, we'll find out if HE can run Zorn's playbook and get the offense 21+ points per game on a steady basis.

If he does, then all the JC groupies will have to find another excuse as to why JC isn't getting it done.
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Where do you read "Super Bowl" or "franchise QB" in that post?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Campbell, Zorn, and Snyder all need to resign ASAP. The defense gave up 19 points yesterday and was on the field all game beacuse the offense couldn't do anything again.

Posted by: sjp879 | September 28, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

You're right Flounder...
But when Gibbs wisely resigned, the investment remained and became Snyder's.. So, Jason plays.. Plus, Zorny was hired specifically to raise the value of JC's investment.. Zorn was considered top 5 in QB coaching.

Poor Danny, 31 other GMs wouldnt give him a 3rd round pick for JC, last march.

They must know something...
Skins are S3rd from last in points scored (total NFL).. and league worst in 3rd down conversions.
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The only reason JC never had to compete for his job was that Snyder gave up two Firsts (one to Denver and one that was used to select him) and a 3rd and a 4th plus a huge signing bonus.


You would be wrong here Gibbs gave all that up for JC he was in chage.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 6:07 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Did JC call that retarded hook&ladder play to the end the game?

Posted by: divi3 | September 28, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

As long as the skins keep suing season ticket holders who have fallen on hard times, the Football Gods will show them no mercy.

Also, having a starting QB with an IQ of 74 probably doesn't help either. Rumor has it that Zorn spent 4 minutes in the 2nd half reading 'Goodnight Moon' to Campbell over his headset.

"Goodnight clocks."
"Goodnight socks."
"Goodnight season."

Posted by: zippyspeed | September 28, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

What happened to the Redskins?? Two incompetents ruined the team. Dan Snyder and Vinny "the buffoon" Cerrato. How is it that Baltimore, the Colts, SF, and others continue to do the research and choose great draft picks, while "Vinny", with Danny's concurrence, obtains Haynesworth, Hall, Campbell, and others?? We need to draft young studs and mold them into Redskins. For the good of a great franchise, Snyder needs to stop abusing us with fees and cost increases, fire "the buffoon", and resign as owner, selling the team to somebody who truly cares about the team, and our great fanbase. Dan and Vinny, pack your ------- bags and leave!!

Posted by: BillGA1 | September 28, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

If JC were white he'd be benched. Not meant to be a racist remark, but I believe there is a little political correctness going on here. At the minimal JC should have had to compete for his position. Apparently there will be no changes so expect more of the same crappy football.

Posted by: theBozyn | September 28, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

It is NOt Zorn...It is Snyder. Just look at how many coaches: Shotenheimer; Robisky; Turner; Spurrier; Gibbs; Zorn? Come on now. It is time for Snyder to sell the team and let's get it going.

Start a petition for SNYDER TO FIRE HIMSELF and SELL!

Posted by: scottpapex | September 28, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Campbell, Zorn, and Snyder all need to resign ASAP. The defense gave up 19 points yesterday and was on the field all game beacuse the offense couldn't do anything again.

Posted by: sjp879

Wrong. It wasn't the offense that gave up first half drives of 90,80, and 70 yards. They don't get off the field on 3rd downs, that's why they are on the field so much.

Posted by: dcwun | September 28, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't get all the hype about this defense. They have mediocre corners who play 50 yards off the receiver, a safety who thinks he's a guided missile, a rookie linebacker who's lost in coverage, another linebacker who's still a question mark, several journeymen defensive linemen and Fat Albert. This isn't exactly the steel curtain ...

Posted by: randysbailin | September 28, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

FIRE VINNY! FIRE VINNY! FIRE VINNY!

Replace him with a real GM who wouldn't flunk out of 9th grade. Let THAT guy decide what to do with the coaching staff.

Posted by: drischord | September 28, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

If JC were white he'd be benched. Not meant to be a racist remark, but I believe there is a little political correctness going on here

Say Whaaaat?!?!? They tried to trade him in the offseason. theBoyzn-you are ignorant. Race has nothing to do with Campbell starting... pure ignorance

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 28, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

If JC were white he'd be benched. Not meant to be a racist remark, but I believe there is a little political correctness going on here

Say Whaaaat?!?!? They tried to trade for other quartebacks in the offseason. theBoyzn-you are ignorant. Race has nothing to do with Campbell starting... pure ignorance

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 28, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

For all you Campbell bashers out there. You get upset when the Skins win and he doesn't throw a touchdown, then you get upset when they lose and he throws two. You claim that he is the problem because he doesn't put up numbers and then when he does, they aren't enough. He isn't decisive until he is calling his own plays and leading the team down the field to score, but it was against the prevent defense. The quarterback is not the problem with the team. There are some people on this board who refuse to see that. They even make up little stories about cab drivers.

Posted by: ronjon629 | September 28, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Some people are just morons man. Not to mention the QB they wish they had, JC is having a better year. He is 9th among all QB's furthermore they neglect to take into account the QB they wish they had seem to have a more complete line in front of them. But some people are in their comfort zone when they complain. Now there is a lot to be angry about (Defense, Run game, Playcalling etc..) But JC is not one of them.

Posted by: gcoles32 | September 28, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I agree with everyone who says the problem
is Snyder and Cerrato because it is. Let us remember.
-Constantly drafting safeties with top ten picks (S.taylor and L.Landry).
-Constantly trading precious 2nd rounders, that is, when they aren't drafting wide receivers
-A refusal to use high picks on linemen, particularly, O-linemen
-Hiring coaches that don't know how to use players- Why is Orakpo playing strongside linebacker?, why not bench Andre "I don't get no sacks" Carter. Why is Ladell Betts, an absolute nobody, still on this team? He is pure garbage. For that matter why is Portis "I'll play hard when I wanna" still on this team? ...and Phillip Daniels...and Renaldo Wynn....and Antoine Randle El?

Look, no one is perfect, but I would have taken Adrian Peterson over Laron Landry-ALL DAY!!!
We should have learned from the Michael Westbrook debacle that drafting BIG receivers for an offense does not mean diddly if the guy can't play. Desean Jackson, drafted behind Kelly and Thomas, is better than the both of them combined, but he wasn't a BIG receiver so of course the Skins ignored him. What's more the Eagle run a West Coast offense as well, but they drafted the best receiver not the biggest. And then Snyder and Cerrato turn around and drafted ANOTHER one, Marko Mitchell. Priceless.


Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 28, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

"For everyone saying that Zorn is predictable, I sure as hell didn't expect that fourth and goal call. My mental conversation went something like this.

Brain: Ooooh, going for it...

Brain: Risky...

Brain: Well, he definitely won't run wide left again. Not after doing that last week and it not working.

[pause]

Brain: OH MY GOD, HE DID THE SAME EXACT THING AS LAST WEEK AND GOT THE SAME EXACT FAILURE!!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE HE DID THAT TWO WEEKS IN A ROW!!!!

Fist: *strikes ottoman*"


Yeah, well one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and consistently failing yet expecting different results each time.

Posted by: therev1 | September 28, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

After years of constantly being subjected to disappointment, bad decisions, bad draft picks,bad contracts, overpriced tickets and overall Mediocrity, I am deciding to sell my loyalty to the Washington Redskins for the rest of the 2009- 2010 NFL season. I will sell my "fan-ship" and support any of 30 teams.. Notice, I didn't say 31, because, I under no circumstances will I ever root for the Dallas Cowboys.

Danny Snyder. . . . you can NOT buy a championship.

Posted by: Robbnitafl | September 28, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Monday Night Countdown is reporting that Snyder's private plane is in Denver about 20 minutes from Mike Shanahan's house.....

Posted by: Davo61 | September 28, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

All the peeps that have a Bromance with JC invariably point to his game stats (they ignore the fact that he's 17-22, and 3-8 going back to the freefall which started midway through last season.

Well, you could do the same thing for Mark Brunell when he was here. Game stats usually looked nice, he protected the football, he didn't make many errors.

Yep. And he didn't win much when he was here either.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Since you brought it up Jay Cutler's win loss record 19-23 (in a weaker divison than the NFC East) But I guess he is still the Great QB that most of you Claim you would rather have. JC is the #9 rated passer in the NFL and he is average, Jay Cutler #10 and he is GREAT...LOL, some of you guys are simply Amazing with your logic.

Posted by: gcoles32 | September 28, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

How long has it been since the skins drafted an Offensive lineman?
Was it Chris Samuels.
Bobby Beathard realized the importance of a great offensive line they made mediocre QB's and runningbacks look like super stars. The only thing that has remained the same throughout Dan Snyders ownership is Vinny Cerrato. Until he is gone the skins will never get anywhere.

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan1 | September 28, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

"..."I think our captains are doing a wonderful job keeping our guys together. And just really keeping the positive things that are coming out of the game and just trying to alleviate some of those negative things."

Wow..The sports version of Obama. I didn't see nor even read nor hear of any "togetherness" or "positive things" with the exception of Santana's passing TD. It looked like Keystones Kops out-takes. The only positive thing I can think of is that the bottom may have been reached and we only have up to go. Somebody better nt up, relight a few belly fires, and start executing the basics.

Posted by: MDDem1 | September 28, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Looks like no one wants to tell the Emperior that he's not wearing any clothes...well I'll do it; we need a new QB--it's as simple as that!

Posted by: Beingsensible | September 28, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Zorn says, "I'll be spending a lot of time with him [owner Snyder] as we go along this week."

That's your problem right there, Redskins fans. Seems to be something in the local water. I believe it afflicts the Baltimore Orioles as well.

Owners know how to get rich. This does not qualify them to manage professional sports teams on a day-to-day basis.

What's wrong with the Redskins is that they're a Dan Snyder ego trip. He doesn't love the game, he loves the thought of himself winning yet one more laurel.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | September 28, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Talk radio today was full of negatives about how bad Skin's defense was, the ineptness of our offense, and the believe of most of the players and coaches that they are an outstanding team.

Folks, we should support the team through thick or thin, whether it has a 16-0 or 0-16 record. At times like these, the team and the players need us to support them and encourage them to be proactive. Some of the so called radio analyst's claiming themselve to be die hard fans (we know who they are)are whining more then my ten year old. Grow up men, support your team and try to create some positive for the team. Try talking about how Moss had a great day. How we managed to get most of the recieving core involved in the game , how our punting game was great....come on and support your team not for it's owner but because we love our Skins....to my radio analyst friends "glass is half full and not half emptyas they claim it to be, it is not about getting your ratings up but about supporting your local team".....

Posted by: maz3 | September 28, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

The person I was responding to was stating that Zorn shared no blame because he did not infact hire himself. At the end of the day I agree the blame rests with Snyder. But to say Jim Zorn shares no blame is ignoring the facts. There are so many statements in your post I disagree with I could write a thesis paper.

Also please save the lecture about life experiences. I'm not 10 and your not the only one with experience in the world.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 28, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I didn't talk to you like you were 10, but you responded like you are 5. I agree Zorn is awful and is to blame for poor play-calling, clock management, and lack of a game plan. But Synder put this joker in charge when he had Greg Williams already on staff and having spent time under Joe Gibbs to boot... Williams had the defense firing on all cylinders and already had NFL head-coaching on his resume... logic still stands, if you don't like Zorn's coaching then it's Synder's fault because he hired him. In my company manager's are accountable for the hirings they make and those hirings directly reflect on their managerial skills... same thing should be said for Synder. The only thing Synder ever has handled in a first-class way was the passing of ST21 and we can probably thank Gibbs for that too.

Posted by: bleed-burgundy-n-gold | September 28, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

As far as the Orioles go, at least they have a bona fide GM.

Posted by: cannontl | September 28, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Go PANTHERS!!!! Kill them COWGIRLS!!!!!!!

Posted by: bleed-burgundy-n-gold | September 28, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

There are many problems with this team, but the most glaring is the front office. The dynamic duo are a f'ing joke. VC had to pull the coaches together to figure out why the team went 2-6 in the second half of the season last year. Are you kidding me? Does he watch the games? This team is old on both sides of the line and lacks depth. Our coaching staff can't call plays inside the 20 and it handcuffs our QB. Run left everytime there is a short yardage play? How about play action left and a pass or bootleg. Our D is completely overrated. Last year's ranking was a fluke. Our front four get no pressure on the opposing QB and Blache plays our corners 15 yards off LOS. Only 2 or 3 players of our front 7 start for other teams in the league. Special teams are horrible. Why is Randle El still returning punts? Don't they realize he sucks? Skins better win the next couple games, because they are looking at another 2-6 finish. I boo the coaching staff and the front office. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Posted by: afiorillo | September 28, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Performance evaluation of any jobs is based on progress. Don't care who is the owner or GM, Zorn and his coaching staff have made no progress in one and a half years (i.e., almost the same players and some additional new players). Time for Zorn and the entire coaching staff to be fired.

Posted by: inva | September 28, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

My take on the team, is that they are going nowhere fast. No one on the team seems to have any pride nor passion to be playing as a Washington Redskins. No one.

The owner treats the team as a fantasy football team, and that hasnt worked yet. Whereas the Patriots built through the draft and have won 3 superbowls. Yes, they've done some free agency too, but majority was via draft.

Right now, the defense cant defend, cant tackle, cant catch interceptions (carlos rogers, i'm talking about you). Landry is doing nothing more than going for a big hit. Big hits dont count, didnt you get that memo Mr. Landry? You want to be on highlight reels? Well, you are, but only because the WRs make you MISS when trying to knock them out instead of tackling them. Secondary is missing tackles left and right. Doughtry and Horton, to me, are the few bright spots on the Defense.

The offense, is well, offensive inside the 10 yard line. Really offensive. Campbell has no deep ball timing, or throws into double/triple coverage. Portis hasnt had room to run. But c'mon, 4th and goal, from the ONE YARD LINE???? RUN IT UP THE MIDDLE, JUMP OVER THE LINE!!!!

Coaching staff, I don't know what to say about them, other than bring on the next regime. Zorn isn't doing the job. Whoever is supposed to teach the basics for tackling and catching on the defense, isn't.

But what really hurts the team the most, as I mentioned already, is that *NO ONE HAS PRIDE NOR PASSION TO PLAY AS A REDSKINS!!!* The last player who did was Darryl Green. Hell, I don't think the owner has the passion either.

I've been a fan for 21 years, and yes, I'll support them still for years to come. But they're awful right now. There's no denying that.

Posted by: jeremiahowen | September 28, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

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This is assanine. Have you never heard of comparing apples to apples. I'm not sure who's worse off, you for the time you put into it, or me for the time I lost actually reading it.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 28, 2009 ------------------------------------------

Ok, Captain DipSh!t, how would YOU quickly rank our starters?

And don't give me some tired out cliche regarding 'apples and oragnes' or some other general BS that small minded jackasses like you fall back on when they are trying to feel big by tearing someone else down.

Posted by: jgarrisn | September 28, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

jeremiahowen, agree with you 100%

Posted by: jgarrisn | September 28, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rodgers brings up an interesting point about the identity. Especially on offense. The fact that Moss had his biggest game ever when he was a non factor prior says something. Gibbs in his return gave me the impression that he did well with a stacked team. They could grind it out in a running attack or go deep in the passing. But nothing seemed to work in pass protection, all the pre snap movement in the world to keep them off balance and still the recievers weren't off to the races. Zorn has gone pass heavy in short to mid range passes. Then in Detroit he got Moss involved even if it took 2 backs to help out on the right side of the line.

Campbell definitly had a better game then Stafford. You could argue the differance might have been the running game. You might be right, but I think they need to pull it all together, at the same time. Zorn has been a bit of an extremist. A Jihadist of a coach. Possibly succumbing to the whim of the media. Moss ran up and nearly all the way back down the field with the ball during play. The sports writers got exactly what the asked for. It's kind of impressive in it's own way. The Geni in the bottle. But you only get 3 wishes before Snyder ships him UPS bottle and all.

I don't know if I like the direction. I'd prefer a RB that can get at least 5 yards a carry. A first down every other play. But you need an overpowering line to do it. But what if Portis and Sellers could leave the back field and roam the 1st down marker? What if Betts and Fred Davis only need a chip block before doing the same. Zorn may be new fangled but I don't think he's that bad. Maybe if he reels it back in a bit. Utilize a kicker on 4th, bring surprise back in to the trick play, and mellow out his extreme ways; who knows? But maybe he would need to avoid the media to do it. Take a cue from Hansey. Could they do the same with Cerrato? Snyder?

Posted by: chavez66 | September 28, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I think what irritates me the most about Blache and Zorn is their insistence on being conservative. Blache runs a vanilla defense -- and I don't really think that can be disputed when a rookie QB like Stafford suddenly resembles a 10 year vet -- and the offense is utterly predictable. If it was me, and plenty of people have said this, why not let it all hang out? Blache and Zorn have to know that unless things change their time is coming, so if you're gonna go down, go down swinging...

Posted by: mattylight | September 28, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

You know why Zorn and Blache wont go down swinging because of their big ego's. Their ego's are so big they will not admit that

Posted by: ksaul79 | September 28, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

You know why Zorn and Blache wont go down swinging because of their big ego's. Their ego's are so big they will not admit that their system and philosophies stink. So we will have to put up with watching this garbage until they are fired.

Posted by: ksaul79 | September 28, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

This nugget of wisdom is one of many similar from Cindy Boren's chat today:

Alexandria, Va.: Maybe I'm just not as sports savvy as your other writers/readers, but I fail to see how this is Dan Snyder's fault.

To you and other people who say this year after year ("at least Snyder spends money and wants to win") you are right - you don't know what you're talking about. Putting together a team with high profile off-season moves (Haynesworth, and Archuletta, and Taylor, and...) is a very different approach to what consistently competitive NFL franchises do. Snyder came in here 10 years ago thinking he knew better. He still hasn't learned, maybe never will. So if Snyder himself can't learn I guess it shouldn't be so maddening to hear fans defend Snyder... but I can't help it.

Posted by: rfjh1 | September 28, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I hope that the danny and vinny are happy with what they hath wrought - ever since the reign of the danny began the football gods have taken no mercy on our once powerful and prideful team; and it seems they never will. this is only the latest and to this point most galling example but it is surely not the last. prepare yourselves my friends for it will be a long time until our team stands tall again. for I don't foresee the danny's reign ending anytime soon. it has been and continues to be so very painful to witness these events.

Posted by: gibbshogs | September 28, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21-anything to say about tonight's performance? I think not! I really didn't think there was a bigger Donkey than Snyder, however YOU take precedence. Enjoy the rest of your horrific season.

Posted by: Witten82 | September 29, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

The 'skins have tumbled from the NFL elite to a mere shadow of football professionalism under the ownership and management of Dan Snyder and his group of incompetents. To have flopped around as they have under Mr. Snyder is, to long time Redskin fans, is unacceptable. The focus of this team now seems to have been reduced to fleecing the loyal fans of as many $ as possible while providing a marginal product featuring some over rated and over paid "performers"... some of whom won't even practice during the week.
This is a farce and the Fedex fans are getting an expensive royal
shafting by a snake oil salesman. If you will demand a product worthy of the heritage of the Burgundy and Gold by NOT SUPPORTING this greaseball owner and his minions, yyou might make an impact.
Doesn't anyone out there remember the days of Jack Kent Cooke when there was a camaraderie between the owner, GM, coaches, players and fans?
Please remember, STUFF runs downhill... all problems start at the top. Get a new top, the problem begins there!!!

Posted by: ncolis | September 29, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

ncolis-

finally...somebody hits the nail on the head. Thank you!

Posted by: Witten82 | September 29, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

campbell is not any good, collins is our only chance. he led us to the playoff 2 years ago!!! hey media, do you remember that?

Posted by: cavalieri10 | September 29, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I think the problem with the Redskins starts at the top with Daniel Snyder. We all know that Daniel Snyder wants to make his money by selling someone's jersey (ie. Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, now Haynesworth) and there is nothing wrong with that, but don't you want to get a return on your investment? (And honestly he is) One problem is that he will not cut ties with Vinny Cerrato. Daniel Snyder needs someone to tell him "No, we're not going after that free agent." or "No, we are not spending all of that money on one person when I can get Joe Shmoe and Joe Blow or less." Dan needs to understand when you win games, stay in the playoffs and make Super Bowl appearances, the jersey's fly off of the shelf. Ask Philly. Just look around the league at all of the newer owners and see what they are doing. (Atlanta and Minnesota) He's going to have to blow the whole thing up and start over.

Another problem that I think is that Vinny Cerrato will have to be fired because he has been in on all of these terrible decisions (Spurrier, Haynesworth, DeAngelo Hall, etc) Remember, they initially hired Zorn as the offensive coordinator and then as the coach. But he's still coaching with a lot of leftover Joe Gibbs stuff (and if memory serves me correctly, they couldn't score on offense with JG either) Bugle, Blatche and others. He didn't get a chance to pick his own coaches. Everything was set in place for him and he hasn't had a chance to put his stamp on the team. I wonder if CP26 or Moss or even his type of player. I wonder even if he wanted to if he could fire a coach. Dan needs to hire a real, official GM. Raid the Eagles, Patriots (if anyone there is left) Colts, Steelers, Ravens or Giants and get someone to run the team (salaries, salary cap, draft, free agency)

As I mentioned before I feel as though Zorn should get a lot of the blame, but he has to be able to put his stamp on the team. He should get the blame from the standpoint that the team is not largely disciplined. Why should you have to tell Moss not to throw punches and fight people. Last year, Moss celebrates in a loss to the Bengals that got the Skins a penalty. That shouldn't be tolerated. Every time the Skins play the Giants, the Giants set Cooley up to strip the ball because they know he will not go down easily. So two people hold him up and two more come in and try to strip the ball. Why do you have to tell professional players to hold the ball when being gang tackled? Why do you have to tell Ladell Betts to get out of bounds with five minutes left? Ladell, Cooley and Moss will fumble at the most inopportune time. Go to Tom Coughlin's School Of Stop Fumbling. This all falls on Zorn and should be addressed in the meantime. If I were Zorn I wouldn't even let them celebrate until we are well above five hundred.

Just my thoughts

Posted by: tryumpfant | September 29, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

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