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Zorn Opts to Push on for Perfection

Washington (2-2) has lost to the Detroit Lions, defeated the St. Louis Rams (0-4) by only two points and struggled to defeat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers by three points. After Sunday's victory over Tampa Bay, quarterback Jason Campbell essentially said the Redskins might not have many aesthetically pleasing victories this season.

"I'm not going to accept that possibility. I'm just going to keep pushing," Coach Jim Zorn said. "It's my responsibility. I feel like I'm the one it's reflecting on as well. It's reflecting on all of us, but I'm the focal point and it should reflect on me. I'm not going to be happy with that and we're going to keep pushing.

"I understand what he's saying, though. It's just been something that we're going to continue to push toward. We demand perfection out here during practice, but you really do have to take ... you have to look at what's being given during a game and that's hard to take. It really is. I still want that perfection in a game as well."

By Jason Reid  |  October 5, 2009; 4:00 PM ET
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from the great bill simmons and his nfl column last week. he found this article on hiring zorn over pants dropping hall of famer mike singletary

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2008/02/11/jim-zorn-to-the-redskins-probably-the-worst-nfl-hire-of-all-time/


Posted by: SmokeyBandit | October 5, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

good

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice to see a few solid drives put together. The multiple drives in the third quarter was nice. Hopefully it can be followed up with a full game solid offensive drives effort.

Posted by: funbot | October 5, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Smokey, old news, old story, old link. Plus Kawakami is inaccurate on the facts b/c Zorn never left football and didn't get the Seattle job b/c based on being a pal of Hasselbeck.

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Not only is Betts worth a first round pick, he's worth a GUARANTEED top ten pick, where the team that trades for Betts trades the Redskins a first round pick that MUST be one of the top ten picks. If the team that receives Betts does not draft in the top ten as a result of finish order, that team must obtain a top ten pick and assign it to the Redskins.

No?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 5, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice to see a few solid drives put together. The multiple drives in the third quarter was nice. Hopefully it can be followed up with a full game solid offensive drives effort.

Posted by: funbot | October 5, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see a good first half to match a good second half. We haven't had a good first half yet.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

My fantasy world moves this week:

Cut BMW, Rock, and Mason

Trade Betts a 4th and a ham sandwich to anyone looking for running back depth for a RG.

Sign Levi Jones, Chris Henry, and Jeff Garcia.

Give JC till the bye week to get going after he doesn't and we still suck on offense give Garcia the second half of the season. After he proves like he has everywhere else that he is a pretty solid QB keep him for next season and spend next draft on a gamebreaker at running back and the rest oline.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The Mayor (if that IS your real position), any word from the calls around to the agents about who's left on the pickings pile at punter?

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

is Zorn as confused as he speaks?? I read his quotes and I feel like the AFLAC duck shaking his head in the commercial with Yogi Berra in the Barber shop...

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"I understand what he's saying, though. It's just been something that we're going to continue to push toward. We demand perfection out here during practice, but you really do have to take ... you have to look at what's being given during a game and that's hard to take. It really is. I still want that perfection in a game as well."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 5, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Thats kind of a slap to the face of Betts no? Why do we have him as a back-up if we refuse to let him back-up.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 5, 2009 3:57 PM

I think he'd be about a $3 million cap hit to NOT be here this year (Speaking of said cap, just a shade under 10% of it this year belongs to one Jon Jansen and one Receiver, The).

Posted by: 4-12 | October 5, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, me likey how you thinkey.... good plan albeit fantasy..
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Cut BMW, Rock, and Mason

Trade Betts a 4th and a ham sandwich to anyone looking for running back depth for a RG.

Sign Levi Jones, Chris Henry, and Jeff Garcia.

Give JC till the bye week to get going after he doesn't and we still suck on offense give Garcia the second half of the season. After he proves like he has everywhere else that he is a pretty solid QB keep him for next season and spend next draft on a gamebreaker at running back and the rest oline.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 4:12 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 5, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Punter question ... is Todd Sauerbrun even allowed to punt in the NFL or is he on The Commissioner's "No You Di'int" list?

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Mothercluckin' Brandon Lloyd is still on their books?

Jeeze!

Worse trade of all-time.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

yikes...corny zorny....just zikes...this guy just ain't a head football coach...you all know it too....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 5, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

from the great bill simmons and his nfl column last week. he found this article on hiring zorn over pants dropping hall of famer mike singletary

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2008/02/11/jim-zorn-to-the-redskins-probably-the-worst-nfl-hire-of-all-time/


Posted by: SmokeyBandit | October 5, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse


Bill Simmons is an idiot.

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Sign Levi Jones, Chris Henry, and Jeff Garcia.

Give JC till the bye week to get going after he doesn't and we still suck on offense give Garcia the second half of the season. After he proves like he has everywhere else that he is a pretty solid QB keep him for next season and spend next draft on a gamebreaker at running back and the rest oline.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Green Bay just worked him out and said he's about as mobile as a suspension bridge. They may go with a practice squad guy over him. I guess he still thinks he's a left tackle and wants to be paid like one.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Bill Simmons is an idiot.

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Why because he writes things that you don't like?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 5, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Green Bay just worked him out and said he's about as mobile as a suspension bridge. They may go with a practice squad guy over him. I guess he still thinks he's a left tackle and wants to be paid like one.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like he'd fit in well here. Plenty of overpaid underacheivers on this team.

So, there is not one, even two guys on a practice squad in N.E. Indy or Pittsburgh worth signing? Finding that hard to believe.

Posted by: ksquare | October 5, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

well, not at all to dismiss the idea, but has it gotten this bad, that we are wondering who PIT and NE have on their practice squad?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 5, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, its just wonderful to see that Zorn now realizes that what happens on the field is his responsibility.


ps Redskins fans should all hope that the NFLPA and the League fail to get a deal done... Redskins need 2010 to be uncapped to purge the roster of any and all "can't cut because of the cap implications" guys that are preventing them from making needed roster improvements.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 5, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

So, there is not one, even two guys on a practice squad in N.E. Indy or Pittsburgh worth signing? Finding that hard to believe.

Posted by: ksquare | October 5, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

That's the problem. We don't need a practice squad guy. Heyer is better than a practice squad guy. We need a starter. Tauscher worked out with Kansas City but I guess it didn't go well since they didn't sign him. Maybe SanFran can trade us Tony Pashos for something.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I like the move to bring in Henry, no risk, lots of upside, bigger guy, with wheels....

as far as JZ goes, how about getting tons more productivity out of your offense, instead of focusing on being perfect

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

tru dat..kaneohe..
bummer if you're a small market team, though.
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ps Redskins fans should all hope that the NFLPA and the League fail to get a deal done... Redskins need 2010 to be uncapped to purge the roster of any and all "can't cut because of the cap implications" guys that are preventing them from making needed roster improvements.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 5, 2009 4:32 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 5, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Bill Simmons is an idiot.

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Why because he writes things that you don't like?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 5, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

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Maybe its because he's "The Sports Guy" that knows NOTHING about sports.

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I also would like to point out we played a banged up Portis in a meaningless game and gave him 25 carries. All but guaranteeing he will breakdown sooner rather than later and he was largely ineffective. He fell down on his own on a key 3rd down late he still lacks explosiveness at best now he is a get what's there guy who doesn't fumble. Mason 1 carry nice little shimmy and gets 9 yards doesn't get another carry all game. Would it kill these guys to see what Mason or Alridge can do in extended work especially when CP is banged up and could obviously use the rest and be saved for tougher division games......well I guess ever game is tough right now but still....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Well Zorn always says the season is four quarters and after four gmaes, the first quarter is over and the Skins are 2 - 2.

Grading on an A - F scale, where do you put the beloved Burgundy and Gold?

C- for me

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 5, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"We demand perfection..." Maybe Zorn is a wee bit tone-deaf about what his QB needs to hear... I'm in the camp that believes Soup has been over-coached since he arrived, clubbed on a regular basis by Gibbs and now Zorn with the notion that he should avoid mistakes over all else.

Maybe I'm completely wrong on this, but it seems to me Zorn should say something along the lines of "Look, aspiring for 'perfection' in this league is ludicrous, okay? I want Jason to know that I trust him to run this offense and make plays, no matter what situation we're in, and I know that includes making mistakes sometimes. I want him to loosen up, not tighten up, and feel good about what he's doing out there."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 5, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Maybe its because he's "The Sports Guy" that knows NOTHING about sports.

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse


compared to your infinite knowledge of sports?

If you go into his articles expecting a detailed or deep look into sports than you are the idiot.

Don't hate on the man out of your own jealousy or because he writes something that you disagree with.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 5, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Grading on an A - F scale, where do you put the beloved Burgundy and Gold?

C- for me

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 5, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

F+, they weren't competitive against the only good team they played, they weren't really competitive against a team that had lost 19 in a row and they were waaaaay to competitive at home against two of the 4 worst teams in the league (Cleveland and Oakland being the others). They weekly make bonehead coaching decisions and they are one oline injury away from not winning another game this season.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

D Minus and fading......

Defense has regressed from last year.

Offense hasn't improved

Special teams are mediocre.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

JReid can we get some news from lets say Danny Smith on Why Randle El is out there on punt returns.

Everytime he cathes the ball he looks like a little kid at a baseball game that just caught a fould ball, (look guys I caught it)

Posted by: GreatOne1 | October 5, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

F Perfection....

How about competency?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 5, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

D Minus and fading......

Defense has regressed from last year.

Offense hasn't improved

Special teams are mediocre.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Bean, this is like bizarro day, its starting to scare me how much we're vibing. It may have taken you a while to get here but at least you're willing to finally call a spade a spade with these guys. I must give you credit for that and if you keep it up I may just let you out of our Bradshaw bet :)

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

C- for me

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 5, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

would give them D or D-

week 1: C-
week 2: C-
week 3: F
week 4: C

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 5, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

So, there is not one, even two guys on a practice squad in N.E. Indy or Pittsburgh worth signing? Finding that hard to believe.

Posted by: ksquare | October 5, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

That's the problem. We don't need a practice squad guy. Heyer is better than a practice squad guy. We need a starter. Tauscher worked out with Kansas City but I guess it didn't go well since they didn't sign him. Maybe SanFran can trade us Tony Pashos for something.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Agreed PA....but at this point who's giving up a starting OL? Aside from a dearth of RB's, what do the Skins have, they would even want?

I suggested those teams p/squads because they continuously build depth on their lines through the draft. Gotta be some nuggets in there somewhere...no?

Posted by: ksquare | October 5, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who want to see Zorn fired, here’s an interesting stat: Zorn is tied as the winningest Redskins coach since Joe Gibbs’ first tenure w/ the team. Coaches and winning percentages are below for the doubting Thomases.
Zorn .500
Schottenheimer .500
Gibbs II .469
Turner .450
Spurrier .375
Robiskie .333
Pettibon .250

Posted by: MrMerkin | October 5, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

D+ for me

Coaching:

The defense was not playing aggresive enough and not getting stops on third down.

The red zone offensive play calling was about as bad as it could get.

Alridge needs some 2nd half carries.

The special teams need Devin Thomas to return kicks and punts.

Players:

Campbell has made a bunch of bonehead mistakes.

Portis is out of shape and injured yet he is still playing.

Malcolm Kelly needs to get open and fight for the ball if it ever comes his way.

Landry, Hall, and Smoot all need to tackle better.

Stephon Heyer is not an NFL caliber tackle.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

zj, its frightening me.....it really is....I can't tell if this is real or not....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe its because he's "The Sports Guy" that knows NOTHING about sports.

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 4:37

Yeah, the guy just gets A-List people on his podcasts which get 200k downloads, written a N.Y. times best selling book about baseball, releasing a book about basketball which is receiving critical acclaim and endorsed by any authority out there, and is the most featured writer on the most visited sports website in the world.

Simmons doesn't know anything. You're right.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 5, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Don't hate on the man out of your own jealousy or because he writes something that you disagree with.
Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 5, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

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Funny, sounds like YOU'RE hating because I wrote something you disagree with.....hmmmmm

How's that work? ....or is this out of your own jealousy?

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

C minus.

The team is 2-2 despite its awful, awful play. I think it will be very difficult for this team to maintain this winning percentage and finish 8-8, let alone any better than that. I was teetering on a "D" grade, but there's a chance the offense could somehow get its act together and perform on a consistent basis, which I think would have an ameliorative effect on the defense.

I would love to be proven wrong about the tough road ahead, but the way they've played against bottom-feeders, I see this as team finishing 6-10, 7-9... ugh.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 5, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Maybe its because he's "The Sports Guy" that knows NOTHING about sports.

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 4:37

Yeah, the guy just gets A-List people on his podcasts which get 200k downloads, written a N.Y. times best selling book about baseball, releasing a book about basketball which is receiving critical acclaim and endorsed by any authority out there, and is the most featured writer on the most visited sports website in the world.

Simmons doesn't know anything. You're right.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 5, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse


He's a season ticket holder for the Los Angeles Clippers!! Enough said!

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who want to see Zorn fired, here’s an interesting stat: Zorn is tied as the winningest Redskins coach since Joe Gibbs’ first tenure w/ the team. Coaches and winning percentages are below for the doubting Thomases.
Zorn .500
Schottenheimer .500
Gibbs II .469
Turner .450
Spurrier .375
Robiskie .333
Pettibon .250
Posted by: MrMerkin | October 5, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

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Zorn is taking this staying "Medium" thing way too seriously :)

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"We demand perfection..." Maybe Zorn is a wee bit tone-deaf about what his QB needs to hear... I'm in the camp that believes Soup has been over-coached since he arrived, clubbed on a regular basis by Gibbs and now Zorn with the notion that he should avoid mistakes over all else.

Maybe I'm completely wrong on this, but it seems to me Zorn should say something along the lines of "Look, aspiring for 'perfection' in this league is ludicrous, okay? I want Jason to know that I trust him to run this offense and make plays, no matter what situation we're in, and I know that includes making mistakes sometimes. I want him to loosen up, not tighten up, and feel good about what he's doing out there."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 5, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse


Bravo, bravo, bravo, post of the decade!!!

Zorn needs to get the hell out of Campbell's ear all damn game long. Criminey, JC can't even warm up pre- game with out Zorny whispering sweet nothings.

JC should tweak his helmet receiver, shrug his shoulders to indicate he cant hear, and call his own plays for a series, LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 5, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I bumped them up a bit becasue they did find ways to win ugly games, that mayber they were outplayed in. They have won both games at home and have showed flashes of promise.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 5, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Funny, sounds like YOU'RE hating because I wrote something you disagree with.....hmmmmm

How's that work? ....or is this out of your own jealousy?

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

No, I'm disagreeing with you because you wrote Bill Simmons is an 'idiot' that 'knows nothing about sports'. You don't have any evidence to support either statement. You post that like you are some type of authority on sports, who thinks that they should be employed at ESPN, that is why I asked if you were jealous.

I guess your 2 statements are supported by the fact that he continues to be employed by ESPN or has written 2 successful books.

quit trying to flip my words ahole. My post has nothing to do with jealousy.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 5, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the guy just gets A-List people on his podcasts which get 200k downloads, written a N.Y. times best selling book about baseball, releasing a book about basketball which is receiving critical acclaim and endorsed by any authority out there, and is the most featured writer on the most visited sports website in the world.

Simmons doesn't know anything. You're right.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 5, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse


Bill Simmons is terrible. His podcasts are pathetic - dude has the voice of a 14-year old AV club geek. He's whiny and rambling. Same with his columns.

He's just popular because he's a Boston sports fan enamored with Boston sports in an era when Boston sports teams just happen to be very good.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | October 5, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"I guess your 2 statements are supported by the fact that he continues to be employed by ESPN or has written 2 successful books"

I really don't know who Bill Simmons is, so I don't have a dog in this fight, however, these are not qualifications that I would particularly look to as being definitive as to his value as a person, much less a sportscaster.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 5, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Not surprising, flimboy and the cracker, are patting each other on the back.

What I tell you, cracker? You're just one of those pathetic twits that comes up here to get "oh yes, 'so and so', you're right" or the "yep atta boy, saltine" post.

Why don't you and flimfücĸ go and ride a ride a bike or something.

Have fun dissin', I won't be up here to read it so do what you do.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey RedDMV,

You get 3rd rounder for Betts yet? Keep on it.

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

We demand perfection..." Maybe Zorn is a wee bit tone-deaf about what his QB needs to hear... I'm in the camp that believes Soup has been over-coached since he arrived, clubbed on a regular basis by Gibbs and now Zorn with the notion that he should avoid mistakes over all else.

Maybe I'm completely wrong on this, but it seems to me Zorn should say something along the lines of "Look, aspiring for 'perfection' in this league is ludicrous, okay? I want Jason to know that I trust him to run this offense and make plays, no matter what situation we're in, and I know that includes making mistakes sometimes. I want him to loosen up, not tighten up, and feel good about what he's doing out there."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 5, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse


Bravo, bravo, bravo, post of the decade!!!

Zorn needs to get the hell out of Campbell's ear all damn game long. Criminey, JC can't even warm up pre- game with out Zorny whispering sweet nothings.

JC should tweak his helmet receiver, shrug his shoulders to indicate he cant hear, and call his own plays for a series, LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 5, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Completely agreed on the ridiculousness of demanding perfection in the NFL and every instance I've heard of Campbell calling his own plays, supposedly, he has done well. I'm not giving Zorn a pass in my current hatred of JC, I think he is a horrible coach who when it comes to his football intelligence versus his competition I believe Zorn is bringing a knife to a gun fight on a weekly basis. However, JC's performances have been dreadful for 75 to 80% of each game. He makes just enough plays during that other 20-25% that makes everyone think there's a chance he could be the guy, but after 5 years 3.5 of which he has started its safe to say he's not the answer and won't be regardless of the coaching.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I really don't know who Bill Simmons is, so I don't have a dog in this fight, however, these are not qualifications that I would particularly look to as being definitive as to his value as a person, much less a sportscaster.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 5, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Yea.

Sorry to you and anyone else that had to read that(except for flimboy).

It just pisses me off when people(flimboy) just write someone(media member) off as an idiot or a 'know nothing' just because they post an article that doesn't worship the redskins.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 5, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

How about that, RedDMV is insulting people again.

ZJFR2 - just so I'm clear - you're saying that Jeff Garcia, who will be 40 in February and couldn't even make the team as a BACKUP to JaMarcus Russel and Kevin Colb, be our STARTER next year?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 5, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Jack, I wasn't suggesting Soup isn't his own worst enemy... as I've said up here, I'm disappointed that he hasn't stepped up the way I expected he would.

I was commenting above about how Zorn seems to be exacerbating Campbell's issues... and how Zorn seems willfully oblivious to the effect his blather about "perfection" could have on his QB.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 5, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

It just pisses me off when people(flimboy) just write someone(media member) off as an idiot or a 'know nothing' just because they post an article that doesn't worship the redskins.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 5, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Just for you.

Rick Reilly is an idiot. Kornheiser? the same. Wilbon? the same.
Sorry I can't stand "sports" people that spent their life as the the "last person" picked for any sport they ever played.

They know NOTHING about sports.

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

from the great bill simmons and his nfl column last week. he found this article on hiring zorn over pants dropping hall of famer mike singletary

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2008/02/11/jim-zorn-to-the-redskins-probably-the-worst-nfl-hire-of-all-time/


Posted by: SmokeyBandit | October 5, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse


Bill Simmons is an idiot.

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse


agreed

Posted by: BMACattack | October 5, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Nice convo about Bill Simmons. That has to be #1 on the Top Ten Ways to Kill a Blog Thread.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 5, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Nice to hear Doughty is excelling, but let's get real: The defense will be best if LaRon Landry returns to the strong safety position and we get a new free safety.

LaRon is very good at FS. But if you returned him to strong safety, the position he was drafted to play before the Sean Taylor tragedy, you could be looking at a perennial candidate for defensive player of the year.

Posted by: drischord

Disagree. Through adept drafting and personnel evaluation, the 'skins have four good safeties, all STRONG safeties. Since he's the only one who plays FS effectively, LaRon gets to do that.

Switching him with Reed, Chris or Kareem just weakens the defense.

Posted by: TheCork | October 5, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"Ex-Titans RB to Try Out with Redskins
Former Tennessee Titans running back Chris Henry is scheduled to work out for the Redskins on Tuesday, a league source said."
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Don't read too much into this guys. My source (he works at Best Buy) said that Haynesworth's wife threw all of his clothes on the front lawn of his house in TB and he asked permission to take a day of this week to handle his domestic issues because it's supposed to rain there Friday. The team decided they needed him to practice so they asked Chris Henry to drive his stuff up here in a U-Haul.

Posted by: isnadd | October 5, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Damn, that's a good update, isnadd. I'd also like to add that it shows someone at Redskin's Park is thinking, in that they are killing two birds with one stone by having Henry help AH move his stuff up to D.C. while trying out.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 5, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

from the great bill simmons and his nfl column last week. he found this article on hiring zorn over pants dropping hall of famer mike singletary

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2008/02/11/jim-zorn-to-the-redskins-probably-the-worst-nfl-hire-of-all-time/

Posted by: SmokeyBandit | October 5, 2009 4:08 PM |

This is the same d-bag that butchers a bunch of "facts" last year in an article. I emailed him about it and he gave me some BS that were disproved with some minor googling. He's not worth reading and less worth believing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

No need to diss Red. Typing obscenities and insulting people only works for children.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 5, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Grades don't mean SJK in the real world.

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 5, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Disagree. Through adept drafting and personnel evaluation, the 'skins have four good safeties, all STRONG safeties. Since he's the only one who plays FS effectively, LaRon gets to do that.

Switching him with Reed, Chris or Kareem just weakens the defense.

Posted by: TheCork | October 5, 2009 5:24 PM |

I thought Kareem Moore was a FS but I couldn't find anything to back that up. I'm pretty sure I'm right though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Campbell and Zorn try a few more timing passes to the WRs.

Yesterday there were only 7 pass attempts to WRs; with the remaining 15 going to TEs and RBs.

Getting a little tired of watching Campbell take too long to make a decision and mess up the timing with the receivers. Seems like he's always a second too late. By now he should be able to execute the basic west coast offense pass -- three steps; throw -- not three steps; pat; pat; throw. The Skins need to make a change at QB SOON if this is going to be a chronic problem...

Garcia is available and he'd probably be be a better QB option than either Campbell or Collins.

Posted by: siris | October 5, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

You are correct Moore is a FS. Doughty can play either safety position and appears to have taken some of Moore's playing time away.

Posted by: siris | October 5, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Activate Marko.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 5, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

In an article before the season, Boswell stated that the next time he saw JC hit a receiver in stride would be the first time...

He's right, but I don't know what this means about JC - are the plays not being called, or does he just presume that he can't get that kind of throw done, and ignore the option when the play is on?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 5, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

On the Kawakami columnar thingy:

a. the coaching search after Gibbs quit was a slow-motion train wreck, a very public shabingus that stretched over how every many agonizing weeks; the search itself was an embarrassment.

2. nobody, but nobody, thought Zorn was qualified for the job. he looked like the last man standing after Snyder finally turned Grilliams down and then all the other qualified candidates turned Snyder down.

f. Zorn hasn't looked like an NFL head coach much of the time since that hire. In fact, he's looked like kind of a joke a lot of the time. A very medium joke, eliciting a nervous chuckle at times but not much in the way of actual mirth.

So the Kawakami piece, to me, looks like a guy taking a far-outside look at that ridiculous coaching search, through the lens of his one brief past conversation with Zorn, and on that wobbly foundation somehow coming up with a prescient take on Zorn as head coach.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 5, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Activate Marko.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 5, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Agreed.

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

If we could get Kareem Moore in there at free safety and somehow get Ryan Clark back at strong safety, that would be totally awesome. How many ham sandwiches do we have available?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 5, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm against being medium. I hate medium. Medium is for losers. Medium is how Ned Beatty goes camping. Medium is only 5 cents cheaper than large, by God. Why not go large? Whoever thought medium was for winners was educated in Mississippi.

I'M AGAINST MEDIUM!!!!

[Groucho Marx]
I don't know what they have to say,
It makes no difference anyway,
Whatever it is, I'm against it.
No matter what it is or who commenced it,
I'm against it.

Your proposition may be good,
But let's have one thing understood,
Whatever it is, I'm against it.
And even when you've changed it or condensed it,
I'm against it.

I'm opposed to it,
On general principle, I'm opposed to it.

[Chorus]
He's opposed to it.
In fact, indeed, that he's opposed to it!

[Groucho]
For months before my son was born,
I used to yell from night to morn,
Whatever it is, I'm against it.
And I've kept yelling since I first commenced it,
I'm against it!

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 5, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

If we could get Kareem Moore in there at free safety and somehow get Ryan Clark back at strong safety, that would be totally awesome. How many ham sandwiches do we have available?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 5, 2009 5:49 PM |

We could trade Landry for at least 3.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

JohnD, do you think Boz was watching the two TD passes last game? I believe that JC hit both Cooley and Moss "in stride".

F! MEDIUM! Let's get FIRED UP!

I did notice that the Dallas Dumasses had exactly the same record as the Skins. Even worse than our predicament, is having maybe the most talented team in the league and being 2-2, not having won a playoff game in 12 long years... hehehehe...

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 5, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking about Garcia yesterday (not in that way) and I was wondering with Brennan out if he would make a good back up should Campbell get hurt/benched or whatever.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 5, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I think Chad Rhinehart did pretty good yesterday.

Orakpo and Jarmon looked good.

Liked Tryon on the blitz and sack. We need to see more of that.

Doughty and Rock Mac along with Fletcher were consistently good.

Portis looked his best all year, wish he could keep his balance though. He's a tough SOB if nothing else.

Can we PLEASE get someone other than Rock to return kicks, and ARE to return punts?

Can we see A.Aldridge in a game to see what he can do? What was the point in resigning him if your not going to play him? We need a change of pace back with his speed and explosiveness!! I don't get it! Use the guy!!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 5, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Garcia would be a great pickup, in my opinion.

Very good QB, extremely competitive and would certainly push JC for the starting job.

He also appears to be a world-class a*hole who can't stick with a team despite his obvious talent.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 5, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I watched the Denver/Dallas game yesterday and It was nice watching another QB other than my own struggle. Romo looked pretty awful out there.

The knock on JC17 is that he has trouble hitting the deep route, well after watching Romo yesterday, he was overthrowing people in the flat and the slot.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 5, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Why not go large? Whoever thought medium was for winners was educated in Mississippi.


I can assure you no one goes medium in Mississippi. Its all fried, all large, all the time.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 5, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Did you see KM on the run to the right when Doughty got KO'ed by the TE? He was blocked from behind, as he was breaking down to make the tackle.

Good FS is moving forward on that play into the hole, not waiting for the back. ST would have knocked the RB into the Monday night game.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 5, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The Marx Brothers in "Horse Feathers"... Nice one.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 5, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

NEWS FLASH: Jeff Garcia was photographed in D.C. just last night.

http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php?p=124276&more=1&page=14

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Kaneohe -- well that's a lifestyle choice, isn't it? Mississippi schools make Oklahoma's look like Oxford -- England, not Eli's alma mater.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 5, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Nice Pull! I love that song, and it's apropos these days.

How about "Lydia, the Tattooed Lady"?

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 5, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I got this from a real insider. When Zorn came back for an interview for the HC position, he was asked if he was familiar with the West Coast Offense scheme.

His answer was sure, what coast?

From this Snyder and Cerrato thought he answered in the affirmative for West Coast.

Zorn got hired and guess what, we now have the What Coast Offense which is exactly what it looks like, What Coast?

Posted by: pjente | October 5, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Men, there're more:
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33181518/ns/sports-other_sports/

Maybe -- be still my beating heart -- Stacey Dales?

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 5, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

JC step up? yeah, whatever football is a team sport ask Tom Brady,Peyton Manning,Drew Brees, etc. Who does JC have to throw to? one real wideout,(Moss)a tight end of pro bowl caliber maybe an O-line that has maybe two legitimate nfl caliber performers, a supposed head coach who is anything but,do any of you realize this kid(Campbell) is being coached by a man who has no business coaching in this league and then he has to hear about a so called legend(Jurgensen)call for him being replaced wait,did"Jurgy" ever win anything hold on a minute this just in Sonny never won not one nfl title, not one division title, nothing,nada,zilch, Sonny had Bobby Mitchell,Charley Taylor, and the late Jerry Smith to help him into the HOF who does Campbell have? Zorn should give Marko Mitchell a shot what does he have to lose? but if he does that would make Cerrato look bad because Vinny drafted Kelly and Thomas better known as Kid and Play, these two goofballs are a joke; plain and simple. JC is a good player he needs help and a coach who has got a clue if i were Snyder i'd be looking to bring in Tony Dungy,who do you think got Peyton to the next level.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 5, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Imagine these could'ves from the last few drafts:

Soup --- could've picked Aaron Rogers.
Landry --- could've picked Adrian Peterson.
DThomas AND Fred Davis --- could've picked DeSean Jackson.

Rogers at QB, Peterson at RB, and Jackson at WR.....

Posted by: ksquare | October 5, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if they win 2-0 with a safety on the last play of overtime...AS LONG AS THEY WIN... It doesn't matter if they beat the bucs 48-3 somebody would be on here saying "so what they should have beaten them they still suck!" You can't satisfy everyone. Ya they lost to the lions, got news for ya that won't be the only game they win. It doesn't matter what they do someone is going to complain. They have problems, but you know what? The
Skins won and the Cowgirls lost so today is a beautiful Monday!!! Hail to ' em

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | October 5, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Damn right!!!

Good to get a win at home.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 5, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Garcia is better than Jason Campbell...

Maybe The Oline looks better since Garcia can get the ball out faster...

Maybe Garcia might throw to another receiver other than Cooley, Moss and Randle El...

...I'm just saying...could he be worse?

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

13. Washington Redskins
Tim Tebow, QB, Florida

All it takes is for one team to fall in love with the chosen one. No owner develops crushes like Daniel Snyder, who will take Tebow 10 picks too early. Tebow doesn't necessarily fit the mold of a Jim Zorn quarterback, but there could be a new coach in Washington by draft day if the Redskins end up slotted at No. 13.


Speaking of mocks and previous drafts.... This may have been put up here already, sorry if that's the case.
Check this out from SI.com. This wasn't a joke either. Ridiculous.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 5, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey filchris, Garcia looks a lot like Carrot top on ROIDS.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 5, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

13. Washington Redskins
Tim Tebow, QB, Florida

All it takes is for one team to fall in love with the chosen one. No owner develops crushes like Daniel Snyder, who will take Tebow 10 picks too early. Tebow doesn't necessarily fit the mold of a Jim Zorn quarterback, but there could be a new coach in Washington by draft day if the Redskins end up slotted at No. 13.


Speaking of mocks and previous drafts.... This may have been put up here already, sorry if that's the case.
Check this out from SI.com. This wasn't a joke either. Ridiculous.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 5, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

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I can't hate on Tebow because he is exactly the type of LEADER the Skins need.

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I can't hate on Tebow because he is exactly the type of LEADER the Skins need.

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 6:58 PM |

I gotta agree. ESPN interviewed a bunch of college coaches that have coached in the NFL and they all said that they thought he would be a great NFL QB. Great leader, proven winner.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey filchris, Garcia looks a lot like Carrot top on ROIDS.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 5, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

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I know it looks like Carrot top but it's really Jeff Garcia dressing up as Kathy Griffin for Halloween.

http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php?p=124276&more=1&page=14


Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Best post of the day. dcsween. "The referee's head was wide open." Hilarious!

Posted by: VegasJim | October 5, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me the ONLY smart thing Vinny & Co have done this past off season is NOT signing JC to a long term contract....

Posted by: byThorbyOdin | October 5, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Man. Carrot Top is one ugly dude.

Looks like he got hit in the face with a wet rag traveling 100 MPH!

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me the ONLY smart thing Vinny & Co have done this past off season is NOT signing JC to a long term contract....

Posted by: byThorbyOdin | October 5, 2009 7:15 PM |

I don't know. Signing Dockery and picking Marko and Jarmon seem pretty smart. Haynesworth wasn't bad just overpriced. Cutting Jansen was pretty smart although his backup is just a younger version of him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

"We strive for perfection, and on the way we shall attain excellence" - Vince Lombardi. Nothing wrong with that.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Studs and Duds: Week 4 review
By: John Keim

Studs

TE Chris Cooley » His run blocking in the second half was much better, after he missed a few blocks in the first. Still needs work, but in this game, for the final two quarters, he helped. But his ability to slide to the open area on the fourth down play kept alive a touchdown drive. The play was designed to hit Santana Moss, who was covered by half of Tampa’s defense. Cooley then caught a touchdown pass.

SS Reed Doughty » His recognition of plays is outstanding as is, for the most part, his open-field tackling. He provides energy for the defense when he’s on the field. He finished tied for the team-high in tackles with nine.

CB Justin Tryon » An excellent job in the slot. His blitzes worked well, too. He’s a good one to blitz because of his quickness – he’s the Redskins’ quickest corner. That’s why it helps to have him cover in the slot. The blitzes were well-designed, too, with the end and tackle on his side running stunts to occupy the tackle. It freed up Tryon.

CB DeAngelo Hall » His interception helped turn the game around. Just a nice read. Josh Johnson gave away his intentions early and Hall pounced. That’s a confident playmaker. He never hesitated when he made the read. It would be nice to see him stop shoulder tackling downfield, but that’s another matter.

RB Clinton Portis » You can argue that he should have, or could have, had more. I would agree. Portis does not threaten defenses beyond 10-yard runs anymore. However, he had to fight hard for his 98 yards Sunday. A couple times the holes weren’t big and he still managed four or five yards. It helped.

WR Santana Moss » Caught just two passes and wasn't open much of the game. But he ran an excellent double move to fool not only the corner, but the safety. Again, the lone explosive player on the offense.

DC Greg Blache » Nice to see some aggressiveness. Nice to see them fool a young quarterback, too. They ran a number of stunts, used three-man lines with Brian Orakpo rushing as a standup linebacker in those situations and they had linemen dropping into zones.

QB Jason Campbell (third quarter only) » He made plays with his legs and had good vision on the fourth-down pass to Cooley. Also made a nice throw to Cooley for the score and to Santana Moss for the touchdown. His runs helped produce first downs. He played less mechanical in the third.

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Duds

TE Todd Yoder » Doesn’t play much anymore, but he did a poor job in extra point protection, allowing Ronde Barber to get wide and block the kick. Yoder needed to make an effort to at least bump him off stride.

TE Fred Davis » His run blocking remains suspect. On one play, he kept his head down and the end tossed him aside and made a tackle for a loss.

QB Jason Campbell (every other quarter) » Love how he responded but man he really struggled. He made bad decisions, stared down receivers and made tough throws. He’s lucky the Redskins were even in a position where he could rally them in the second half. Even in the second half he made some ugly throws (the INT on the pass to Moss). He gutted out the win, which is nice. But he put the Redskins in a hole with his play. They’re fortunate it was the Bucs and not a good team they were playing.

WR Malcolm Kelly » Aqib Talib had great position on the throw to him and Campbell should have led him more and put the ball more to the outside. Still, Kelly just wasn’t getting open. The Bucs did a good job jamming him at the line.

CB Carlos Rogers » He made some nice plays and made an excellent read on the dropped interception. But he has to make that play. If the Redskins had lost the game (if Mike Nugent could make field goals), then Rogers’ drop would have been a bigger deal this week, an example of another missed opportunity.

WR Antwaan Randle El » Just never got open. Credit the Bucs with taking away a lot of what he does, but he only had one pass thrown his way.

DT Albert Haynesworth » Maybe he was hurting because of his hip, glute or whatever. Maybe he shouldn’t have been playing. If that’s the case, we give him a lot of credit. But he had a minor impact. Though he applied a little pressure at times, we also saw him not give a ton of effort on other plays.

LT Chris Samuels » We grade him on a different standard and he did not play to a Pro Bowl level Sunday. Got pushed back too much. How much is the knee bothering him? Did he lose too much weight in the offseason? Gotta wonder after Sunday. He’s played better this year. We expect bad games from Stephon Heyer (who played better after the first two series) and inconsistent ones from Derrick Dockery (which is what he delivered Sunday). But Samuels has to be stronger for this offense to produce

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Man. Carrot Top is one ugly dude.

Looks like he got hit in the face with a wet rag traveling 100 MPH!

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 7:17 PM

I believe you mean a hot bag of nickels. Here's another laugher for ya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx1GBx9pUGo&feature=related

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

2. nobody, but nobody, thought Zorn was qualified for the job. he looked like the last man standing after Snyder finally turned Grilliams down and then all the other qualified candidates turned Snyder down.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 5, 2009 5:46 PM |

Truth be told butt boy nobody knew anything about how Zorn would do as a HC when he was picked, that turdball Kawawawa included. It was a bolt out of the blue, just like Andy Reid, another one of Holmie's talented assisstants, when he was a position coach who was made Eagle HC. And we all know how that turned out, don't we.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT's POLL OF THE WEEK...

Here's what I would do...

1) Keep Zorn if the Skins finish .500 or better. Not convinced his offense can't work with a more skilled QB.

2) Cut ties with JC.

3) Draft a Guard, Tackle, Center, RB and MLB

4) In uncapped year have a fire sale...dump ARE, Griffin, Daniels, Wynn, Betts, Cartwright

poll question

a) Nah Sic, you're way off.
b) some of it makes sense
c) You're dead on
d) You're worse than Vinny

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

WE COULD HAVE DRAFTED "ADRIAN PETERSON" INSTEAD OF LANDRY 2 YEARS AGO!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

TEBOW WON'T EVEN BE A NFL QB=HE IS STRICTLY A COLLEGE STYLE QB. GO FOR OKLAHOMA'S QB INSTEAD...

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

But Samuels has to be stronger for this offense to produce ...

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009

'We grade him'? I think I was talking about DRAFTING a TACKLE instead of an extra defensive BEAST who wasn't going to be able to replace MWash ... at least not in his first year and probably would never play defensive end unless he learned to stop the run.

And because of Samuel's injuries I felt he should be moved to right tackle to extend his career as has been done with other tackles of his ilk like Joe Jacoby.

I didn't think he would last the year at left tackle. Now we're in the season. Do you?

Samuels dropped from the 1st to 3rd ranked left tackle to 10th ranked. Have to assume that he continues to fall.

They really NEEDED TO DRAFT at LEAST 5-6 offensive lineman. Why didn't they? No, don't blame Cerrato. Doubtless he would have drafted 1 to 3. Its the Tragic Number of Pro Football: GM Daniel M. Snyder.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Studs and Duds: Week 4 review
By: John Keim

Good analysis.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

stay classy Eldrano...stay classy

Posted by: chrislarry | October 5, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

TEBOW WON'T EVEN BE A NFL QB=HE IS STRICTLY A COLLEGE STYLE QB. GO FOR OKLAHOMA'S QB INSTEAD...

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Oklahoma QB is so good you don't know his name?!

If you don't know his NAME than how can you know his GAME?!

Posted by: filmchis | October 5, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

13. Washington Redskins
Tim Tebow, QB, Florida

Man Snyder must be one of these posters? I am almost sure of it or he must read and believe every numbskull word?

DRAFT The very best OT. Then .. DRAFT ANOTHER. Then draft a C/G. THEN draft another T/G ... get it? sheesh no wonder ...

If you draft a great line it will make Colt all-pro if you get rid of Campbell.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who want to see Zorn fired, here’s an interesting stat: Zorn is tied as the winningest Redskins coach since Joe Gibbs’ first tenure w/ the team.

Posted by: MrMerkin | October 5, 2009 4:54 PM |

Thanks for nothing, Mr. Irrelevant. In case you didn't know, It's a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world out there.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

If you draft a great line it will make Colt all-pro if you get rid of Campbell.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 7:44 PM |

Utter nonsense.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

SAM BRADFORD YOU DUNCE!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

"We strive for perfection, and on the way we shall attain excellence" - Vince Lombardi. Nothing wrong with that. Does DC want to win now or play PC games now?

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

"Oklahoma QB is so good you don't know his name?"


His name is Sam Bradford.

A guy who looks very, very NFL ready from day one is Jake Locker, Washington Huskies.

In fact, Locker is the kind of athletic, touch passing guy who'd thrive in Zorn's system.

That is, if he's still around.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

If you draft a great line it will make Colt all-pro if you get rid of Campbell.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 7:44 PM |

Utter nonsense.
Posted by: ElDrano

Peri-you got it right! The drain cleaner hasn't got a clue!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

"I can't hate on Tebow because he is exactly the type of LEADER the Skins need..."


You have to ask yourself if Tim Tebow is Vince Young or Matt Ryan.

One is a runner who played quarterback, the other a college quarterback who didn't have to run to be successful.

Thing is, you have to look at what Tebow did at UF and remember he played in the biggest games and won--sometimes via the sheer force of his own will.

The singular issue for the skins picking a quarterback--if that is what is going to happen--is accuracy and game managment.

Both Tebow and Jake Locker excel in that regard.

I like Locker.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Just heard Tom Jackson just say of AP (all-day), 'he hits the hole and runs past at least the first contact'. Portis has been good for us, but he no longer can hit the hole (mainly due to the o-line), and rarely runs past the first contact. We really should be running the young guys more.

Posted by: HokieSkin | October 5, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

stay classy Eldrano...stay classy

Posted by: chrislarry | October 5, 2009 7:42 PM |

Hey buddy if you want classy enroll at DeVry.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"For those of you who want to see Zorn fired,..."


Fired....?

Naw!

Zorn needs an offensive coordinator.

Zorn should put Campbell on an 8-game leash and sub-in Collins if the erratic passing game continues to underwhelm.

Zorn should sit Portis down and play the healthy guys--Mason, Betts--plain and simple.

Zorn should craft formations without Moss and Cooley and Randle El, and put the young'ns on the field and make them earn their paychecks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

In fact, Locker is the kind of athletic, touch passing guy who'd thrive in Zorn's system.

That is, if he's still around.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 7:53 PM

Best in the draft if it were so for DC.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Both Tebow and Jake Locker excel in that regard.

Regard? Yep, they need a Re-Guard - Tackle or two. Lots of NFL QB's looking for work after next season I bet.

Tebow or Locker? No Mo, its got to be Russel Okung or Trent Williams.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

why draft all o line men that would make too much sense.

Posted by: mudman220 | October 5, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

The singular issue for the skins picking a quarterback--if that is what is going to happen--is accuracy and game managment.

Both Tebow and Jake Locker excel in that regard.

I like Locker.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 7:59 PM |

I've got to say I think the Skins have no business drafting ANY skill players above the third round.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Both Tebow and Jake Locker excel in that regard.

I like Locker.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 7:59 PM |

I didn't know that Locker was showing up on anybody's QB radar. I missed the ND/Wash game. I was going to watch and then something came up. Tebow is not a good passer, at least by NFL standards. His throws don't have any mustard on them. They hang up there like a birthday balloon.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Kelly and Thomas didn't seem to ever get open. I would have liked to see Kelly fight a little harder for the ball. It looked to me that the DB outplayed him for the ball on the interception -- maybe the DB saw something on tape.

If Kelly and Thomas are getting jammed at the line, why don't we put them in motion? Is Zorn putting them in position to make plays? Is it the play calling or the players?

Other than Horton, I'm starting to wonder if that draft class will ever pan out. I still hope to see Marko Mitchell activated and hope he isn't cut to sign a punter.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | October 5, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

periculum

"Tebow or Locker? No Mo, its got to be Russel Okung or Trent Williams."

Well, what you propose means the team decides to re-sign Campbell, and supports him with beef upfront.

But do you think the DanMan wants another year of Soup he already doesn't want to eat.

Naw!!!: Campbell's a goner.

But if that's the plan, good tackles can be had in rounds 2 and 3.

So I'd draft the speedy CJ Spiller--Clemson, to replace Portis, return kicks, and out of the backfield.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I like Okung, Williams, Charles Brown, Mike Johnson, Assamoah, Estes ...

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

So I'd draft the speedy CJ Spiller--Clemson, to replace Portis, return kicks, and out of the backfield.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 8:13 PM |

I am now convinced that you are CJ Spiller's brther/father/neighbor/teacher/landlord.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Mo, this team went to the NFL championship game with a guy considered to be the absolute worst quarterback, starter or backup in the NFL. And that's a quote from Jimmy Johnson himself. They fleeced Al Davis into giving them Jim Lachey for him. Who do you think made the better deal eh?

It doesn't matter who the quarterback is (just look at the Ravens) if you have the right kind of line.

Yes a young running back like spiller would be nice and if they had an extra #1 he might make sense. But they don't. They need OL NOW.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I've got to say I think the Skins have no business drafting ANY skill players above the third round.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 8:11 PM

Colt after Collins?

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

amen Peri...

It's been discussed a zillion times, but everything starts with the oline. Do we really think Soups is worse than Mark Rypien?

Posted by: HokieSkin | October 5, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

"I've got to say I think the Skins have no business drafting ANY skill players above the third round."

Why?

Look at those 'up from the bottom' teams in the NFC that've vaulted over the skins in the past few years--what was the first thing they added?: a dynamnic offensive star.

Falcons--Matt Ryan, Micheal Turner
Vikes--Adrian Petersen, Percy Harvin
Jints--Eli Manning, Anquan Boldin
Cards--Larry Fitzgerald
Niners--Frank Gore
Saints--Reggie Bush, Drew Brees

Point is?: upfront talent in blocking can be had in rounds 2-3-4 or via free agency.

But that 1st pick--in trade or draft--has to be speed and versitility at the skill position.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I am convinced that MistaMoe == Daniel Snyder? Dude they need a 1st and 2nd round tackle. Heyer isn't going to cut it as a starter. They don't need spiller. They can get by with Alridge, Betts, and even Henry if he signs. And Portis will still be there because of his contract. TACKLE say it slowly Mo, the Redskins need a 1st round TACKLE, a Jim Lachey, a Chris Samuels. Shake your head yes ... that's right nod up and down now.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who the quarterback is (just look at the Ravens) if you have the right kind of line.

Yes a young running back like spiller would be nice and if they had an extra #1 he might make sense. But they don't. They need OL NOW.

Posted by: periculum

you point out the exception rather than the rule IMHO.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Why?

Look at those 'up from the bottom' teams in the NFC that've vaulted over the skins in the past few years--what was the first thing they added?: a dynamnic offensive star.

Falcons--Matt Ryan, Micheal Turner
Vikes--Adrian Petersen, Percy Harvin
Jints--Eli Manning, Anquan Boldin
Cards--Larry Fitzgerald
Niners--Frank Gore
Saints--Reggie Bush, Drew Brees

Point is?: upfront talent in blocking can be had in rounds 2-3-4 or via free agency.

But that 1st pick--in trade or draft--has to be speed and versitility at the skill position.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 8:22 PM |

Because our history of high round skill position picks isn't very good.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Love it.

Romo didn't know it was fourth down?
Posted by Mike Florio on October 5, 2009 7:28 PM ET
Maybe Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo's inability to bust through the glass ceiling against which his career is repeatedly bumping comes not from a lack of desire or work ethic.

Maybe he's just not smart enough to be a high-level NFL quarterback.

The first piece of evidence that's causing us to explore this theory comes from Sunday's loss to the Broncos. Per Clarence Hill of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Romo possibly didn't realize that it was fourth down when it was, you know, fourth down in the closing seconds of the seven-point loss to the Broncos.

Hill points to video from KDFW, which shows Romo telling his linemen to get up and then flashing three fingers to an official. Romo then "screams and walks off the field" after hearing the response.

Romo's error is being identified as a possible explanation for his otherwise inexplicable decision to throw the ball twice to receiver Sam Hurd while he was being covered by Denver cornerback Champ Bailey.

So what happened? Possibly, the spike that Romo used to kill the clock on second down didn't register for him.

Regardless, of all the people in the stadium in position to know the down and distance information, the one person who must know it is the quarterback of the team in possession of the ball.

Even if it was a temporary release of brain gas, the fact remains that franchise quarterbacks don't make that mistake. Ever.

And so, until he proves otherwise, Romo won't be regarded as a franchise quarterback by us.

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

"I am now convinced that you are CJ Spiller's brother/father/neighbor/teacher/landlord."


Do some research.

Before the last draft, the player I hoped the skins would 'screw up' and draft was Percy Harvin.

Folks howled and bragged the skins would draft Andre Smith or Micheal Oher.

Well, we see what happened with that.

And Mr. Gator Harvin is killing for the vikes in ways that Orakpo has not for the skins.

Harvin has star written all over him.

Watch Percy Harvin tonite and ask yourself, "Could the redskins use a speed guy who can 'bust the field' open and scare defenses?"

Yes.

And CJ Spiller is a speed guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Uh Moe?
Falcons : Sam Baker
Parcell's Dolphins : Jake Long
Ravens: Michael Oher

Tom Bradey was not a 1st round draft pick for the Patriots. If anything Parcell's and the Ravens often follow the reverse strategy. They draft the skill players in rounds 3-5. Uhmmm who wins the NFL championship games and the Superbowls? The teams that draft the glam toolsy skill players (Jimmy Bowden - like?) or the teams that draft lineman, defensive/offensive, defensive backs and linebackers? Don't take too long looking it up MistaMoe.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

today's NFL is more wide open Offense than the grind it out days of yester-year. Get an accurate fast throwing QB, and speed across the entire team. The rules favor the O more than ever. It isn't really that hard to figure. We are aging and old at too many positions and simply too average at others to compete. I am not pacified by an average team as it seems so many are on RI? Glad I'm too far away to be bothered with season tickets.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe == Snyderato

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

1992
1. Desmond Howard, WR, Michigan

1994
1. Heath Shuler, QB, Tennessee

1995
1. Michael Westbrook, WR, Colorado

2001
1. Rod Gardner, WR, Clemson

2002
1. Patrick Ramsey, QB, Tulane

2003
2. Taylor Jacobs, WR, Florida - 44th overall

2005
1. Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn (25th overall)

2008
2 34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State
2 48 Fred Davis TE USC
2 51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma

Obviously this list is just from 1990 on. There were some good picks before that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Start Collins this week and have Soup rest his ankle. Make playoffs, etc.... Locker, 2 OL's, and fill holes next year, but what are the picks we have for '10?

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe

I'm with you unless you're in line for an elite player on the OL like Jake Long. Other than a top three pick, I can see the reasoning behind someone like Spiller. Late first or early second,you can get some talented OL players.

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

And CJ Spiller is a speed guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 8:27 PM |

Hey man, I like Spiller, just not as much as you seem to. Your man crush is duly noted...Mr. Spiller.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis is open a lot and rarely gets the ball.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

"MistaMoe == Snyderato"


Sir, that's quite an insult.

But you can't point to an outstanding offensive skill player taken with the skins 1st pick since, well, Jason Campbell: that was St Joe.

Before that, the player was Chris Samuels.

Why don't you blame Snyderato for that?

I'm waiting....

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"Hey buddy if you want classy enroll at DeVry.

Posted by: ElDrano"

Does this even make sense?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 5, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

TWISI, I have always thought that Romo was far too dumb to be a starter.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Skins 2009 record: 5-11

Teams they will beat:
Chiefs
Raiders
Cowboys

SAD I KNOW!

Posted by: hanimal03 | October 5, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

But you can't point to an outstanding offensive skill player taken with the skins 1st pick since, well, Jason Campbell: that was St Joe.

Before that, the player was Chris Samuels.

Why don't you blame Snyderato for that?

I'm waiting....

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 8:36 PM

Okay, we need a definition of "skill player." I am under the impression on offense it's QB and WR. Maybe RB too but not as much. Defense...CB.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

twisi

"Late first or early second,you can get some talented OL players."

This reads like notes from a sane man.

Smart teams take a dynamic star with the 1st round pick--if he's there.

Beyond that, they slurp up tackles, guards, centers, defensive tackles, and linebackers with picks 2-3-4.

The skins have wasted picks on tight ends, wide receivers, safeties, punters, and poorly thought out trades.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Let's go Packers.

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Before that, the player was Chris Samuels.
Why don't you blame Snyderato for that?

Samuel's was a great pick. He was the best OT for many years running. He was Casserly's choice not Snyderato's

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

twisi

"Late first or early second,you can get some talented OL players."


This reads like notes from a sane man.

Smart teams take a dynamic star with the 1st round pick--if he's there.

Beyond that, they slurp up tackles, guards, centers, defensive tackles, and linebackers with picks 2-3-4.

The skins have wasted picks on tight ends, wide receivers, safeties, punters, and poorly thought out trades.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 8:41 PM |

yep

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

We have already run out of time to address the O line, and for that we shall suffer this year. We cannot make that mistake next year.

We must start the process of building an entire new line. (yes entire, Dockery is not exactly blowing people away this time around either...but he ok for now)It will be a 2-3 year project, so it should have s started last April. GAWD! If we had just used ONE pick...

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather see us take the best tacke on the board in the first then take whose left out of spiller, best, royster, and dwyer in the second. We can get a guard or center in the 4th round.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Yes, mistamoe 0==0 snyderato

THEY picked Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis all skill players all top ranked at their position in that draft year? They also picked Taylor Jacobs and Gibran Hamdan. They picked guys like Cliff Russel and Patrick Ramsay.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

If we had a competent GM, picking skill players in the first round would be pretty exciting.

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Last great first rounder was #28-Mr Green!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

it all boils down to is it easier to draft or acquire 5 guys on the O-line or a really good QB?
Patience is a commodity too often lost on the NFL these days, but I have to say the Skins have given JC plenty.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

If we had a competent GM, picking skill players in the first round would be pretty exciting.

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 8:47 PM |

Thats a big if we won't see for a looooooong time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

They need TWO tackles at this point ... unless BMW suddenly finds himself after a year of work with the practice squad etc. I would still draft two tackle/guards and then the best center/guard.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

What are you'll thoughts on Eric Berry. the skins have invested so much iin their secondary, but I think this dude is going to be special.

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Last great first rounder was #28-Mr Green!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 8:47 PM |

He was a great player but the LAST great first rounder was Sean Taylor. Before him -- Chris Samuels.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 5, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

We have sooo many needs. We don't have to commit the first pick for LT if there is a better value on the board (I mean game-changer...) But we do have to commit to begin addressing it on the first day...

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

we'll win the offseason again, just wait and see....

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Last great first rounder was #28-Mr Green!
Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009

Champ Bailey followed by Samuels. Snyderato's circus chased Champ Bailey out of town.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Patience is a commodity too often lost on the NFL these days, but I have to say the Skins have given JC plenty.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 8:48 PM

That is, aside from trying to flush him down the toilet last year to get a real QB.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 5, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Focus people, we were talking about skill positions.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

You know whose a FA. Ryan Clarke,,just saying...

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

He was a great player but the LAST great first rounder was Sean Taylor. Before him -- Chris Samuels.

Agreed! And Taylor was Grilliams call not Snyderato's. Taylor, Bailey and Samuels in that order.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

They need TWO tackles at this point ... unless BMW suddenly finds himself after a year of work with the practice squad etc. I would still draft two tackle/guards and then the best center/guard.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Take a tackle in the first round next year and start him immediately at right tackle. Take another tackle in the first round in 2011 and get him ready to take over for chris samuels. Samuels still has a few years left. That way you are building a line with 2 elite tackles.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

is the game being streamed?

Posted by: dealer1 | October 5, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I like Locker.
Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 7:59 PM

Locker gets more impressive each time I see him. CJ Spiller can fly but he's surrounded by crap in orange so its hard to tell how good he might be. We do need oline help tho or neither would be effective.

Having said that, we'll probably trade the farm for Eric Berry.

Posted by: will_ga | October 5, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

to get a real QB. Who is a real QB to you TE? Maybe a better question is, who is worse than JC as a starting QB in the NFL? The only stats that matter are W's and L's.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

That is, aside from trying to flush him down the toilet last year to get a real QB.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 5, 2009

Get a ***REAL LINE*** and you could win with ARE at quarterback! That's what the Ravens had been doing until they drafted a QB last year.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

peri

"They need TWO tackles at this point..."


And if those tackles become Jim Molinaro or Micheal Moore, please stand up and take credit for it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

give it a rest peri! they haven't won it all except for the aberration year with Dilfer.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Taylor was Grilliams call not Snyderato's. Taylor, Bailey and Samuels in that order.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 8:55 PM

It was actually Gibbs' call. He had to choose between Kellen Williams, Jr. (the Chosen One) and Sean Taylor. Lots of folk were surprised when he chose Taylor. No doubt, Williams had strong input.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 5, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

We have sooo many needs. We don't have to commit the first pick for LT if there is a better value on the board (I mean game-changer...) But we do have to commit to begin addressing it on the first day...

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

What would you do if taylor mays is still on the board?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

to get a real QB. Who is a real QB to you TE? Maybe a better question is, who is worse than JC as a starting QB in the NFL? The only stats that matter are W's and L's.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 8:57 PM |

Shut up. Don't you get tired of the same point?

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Take a tackle in the first round next year and start him immediately at right tackle. Take another tackle in the first round in 2011 and get him ready to take over for chris samuels. Samuels still has a few years left.

Good approach and should have been done THIS YEAR!!? I rather doubt that the stalwart Mr. Samuel's will last all 16 games this year. If you had moved him to right tackle he might indeed have had a at least 2 - 3 left in him. Now, I am not so sure. Look at Jansen ...

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

twisi don't you get tired of slurping JC's jock?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

so mistakes made by snyder/gibbs/cerrato: HUGE!!! it'll take 10 years to get over these mistakes plus the loss of ST.

1. letting go champ
2. letting go ap
c. (not only) drafting jc (but giving up 3 picks for him)
4. letting go ryan clark

mistakes snyder/cerrato made:
1. drafting 3 WR when they shoulda been building the lines
2. hiring zorn
3. trading picks for jason taylor
4. not drafting a running back in the top 3 rounds

Posted by: dealer1 | October 5, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

It was actually Gibbs' call. He had to choose between Kellen Williams, Jr. (the Chosen One) and Sean Taylor. Lots of folk were surprised when he chose Taylor. No doubt, Williams had strong input.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 5, 2009 8:59 PM |

Kellen WINSLOW jr. was pissed about it too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

And if those tackles become Jim Molinaro or Micheal Moore, please stand up and take credit for it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009

Or Chad Rinehart? No SnyderatoMoe, these are picks 3-7 WHERE YOU CLAIM good lineman can be found!? That's on you SnidleyMoe.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

twisi don't you get tired of slurping JC's jock?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 9:02 PM


You're an idiot. You think the skins OL is playing well, so you get no respect here. You azz.

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

peri

"THEY picked Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis all skill players all top ranked at their position in that draft year?"

Remind me which guy was a 1st round pick again.

They over-reached, plain and simple.

Kelly was the only player worth selecting at the spot where he was taken: and so far he sucks.

(Something is wrong when your 'big receiver'--Kelly-- can't catch a 'fade' route, no matter how well-thrown the ball is.)

And as for their drafting linemen, well, remember, they traded or made a move with the falcons who took Baker while we took Davis.

What a waste.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

It was actually Gibbs' call. He had to choose between Kellen Williams, Jr.

Grilliams WAS pretty assertive TE? Did you see what Michael's said about him? Someone who would not get a long with Snyder? Wonder why? ~laughing ironically~

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

"For those of you who want to see Zorn fired,..."

Fired....?

Naw!

Zorn needs an offensive coordinator.

Zorn should put Campbell on an 8-game leash and sub-in Collins if the erratic passing game continues to underwhelm.

Zorn should sit Portis down and play the healthy guys--Mason, Betts--plain and simple.

Zorn should craft formations without Moss and Cooley and Randle El, and put the young'ns on the field and make them earn their paychecks.


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse


One of the best posts! My beef with Zorn is that he doesn't play our young players. Zorn doesn't plan for em'. Campbell doesn't throw to em'. Snyder should really exercise some patience here. JC is not this franchise's QB.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

to get a real QB. Who is a real QB to you TE? Maybe a better question is, who is worse than JC as a starting QB in the NFL? The only stats that matter are W's and L's.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 8:57 PM |

You know, it doesn't really matter what it is to me. To Dan Snyder is was Cutler and Sanchez.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 5, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

scary twisi..

u think i care what some of u here think? u hold yourself in much too high a level of esteem.
The O-line is pass blocking fine for a smart qb that can make reads and throws. I do think they are a bit soft for run blocking though. Nice name calling though, show's your superior intellect.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Remind me which guy was a 1st round pick again.

Patrick Ramsey

The rest they usually traded for glitzy, glam players who never panned out.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

You know, it doesn't really matter what it is to me. To Dan Snyder is was Cutler and Sanchez.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

TE walking the fence? Not like you at all.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Soup 8 sacks - SF's Shawn Hill 13 sacks, yet 3-1 and beat the Rams 35-0 yesterday.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe...

How much longer must we hear about how JC doesn't have time to throw? Agreed, this O-line is average at best, but Campbell holds the ball too long, locks in on receivers, and is slow to make reads.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

TE walking the fence? Not like you at all.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009

He finds it hard to agree with me. Although it isn't me its plain ordinary common sense ...

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

peri

"Or Chad Rinehart?"

Or Derrick Dockery, 3rd round--ooops, I forgot: this selection violates your theory that team Snyderato fails to draft offensive linemen with high picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

scary twisi..

u think i care what some of u here think? u hold yourself in much too high a level of esteem.
The O-line is pass blocking fine for a smart qb that can make reads and throws. I do think they are a bit soft for run blocking though. Nice name calling though, show's your superior intellect.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 9:07 PM | Repo

Really, did you notice the starting RT getting lift off his feet and thrown back onto the AB. Did you notice the combo block between the G/C split which resulted in a sack. What about the QB hitting his 5 step and having to move up in the pocket. Do you watch any other game. Do you see what a professional OL looks like? No all you do is cream on yourself over the idea having a savior ride in at QB. idiot.

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

BTW they went to a max protection scheme for the majority of the second half because of the pass pro issues. idiot.

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

"campbell can get confused, and if you get confused, you can't play QB.They need another back to take the load off portis and betts aint that guy." unknown nfc coach qouted in SI's fantasy issue.

Posted by: hcic55 | October 5, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

slickrickyroge

"How much longer must we hear about how JC doesn't have time to throw?"

I read an interview today in a doctor's office where Big Ben, Matt Ryan, Tony Romo, Carson Palmer all said the same thing: no quarterback today has time to throw.

The blitzing is too intense and comes at all angles.

Campbell would do well to make plays regardless of the blocking.

The stillers excelled last year with what was a mediocre o-line.

The difference?: the dude tossing the rock made quick decisions, was a solid game manager, was accurate all over the field, and had play making receivers.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Soup 8 sacks - SF's Shawn Hill 13 sacks, yet 3-1 and beat the Rams 35-0 yesterday.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009

A lot of that was Singletary's defense. They scored or set up most of the scores. Recovering 2 fumbles and an INT for a score. Hill threw 2 TDs with no INTs. This reminds me. Why aren't you blaming those "beasts" we have that purportedly have far more talent than SF's losers?

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

unknown nfc coach qouted in SI's fantasy issue.

Posted by: hcic55 | October 5, 2009 9:18 PM

Unknown coach? Sounds like Jason LaCanfora. Definitely unknown.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 5, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

The difference?: the dude tossing the rock made quick decisions, was a solid game manager, was accurate all over the field, and had play making receivers.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 9:18 PM |

That's a good point. plus they are a running team which helps take a little pressure of the QB and WR's.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Got to agree with Periculum, take as many O lineman as possible, 1st and 2nd round. I got to give him credit, he was harping (almost obsessively so) before the season began on how they should of gotten Oher instead of Orakpo. I felt they could of traded back up into the first round to get Oher, if they really thought this was a playoff team this yr.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 5, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Soup 8 sacks - SF's Shawn Hill 13 sacks, yet 3-1 and beat the Rams 35-0 yesterday.

Posted by: Realness1

Good point. Everyone is always talking about how JC has no recievers and no talent around him... I wonder who San Fran's recievers are...

Posted by: rachel216 | October 5, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

SI's fantasy issue.

Posted by: hcic55 | October 5, 2009 9:18 PM

That's the ones with the supermodels with hard nipples in swim suits, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 5, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

realness1

"Soup 8 sacks - SF's Shawn Hill 13 sacks, yet 3-1 and beat the Rams 35-0 yesterday."


Re-Boot or patch job?

The niners spent time in sal cap purgatory, have totally re-built, over come the Alex Smith f-up, and now are a rising NFC team.

Is this a possible future for Team Snyderato?

Should be, if you ask me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels round 1 pick 3
Walter Jones round 1 pick 6
Joe Thomas round 1 pick 3
Jonathan Ogden round 1 pick 4
Orlando Pace round 1 pick 1
Willie Roaf round 1 pick 8

Take a first round tackle.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Good point. Everyone is always talking about how JC has no recievers and no talent around him... I wonder who San Fran's recievers are ...

Maybe it was a terrible game by ex-Raven's QB Boller and his receivers? I think it was the defensive guys who caused and recovered those 2 fumbles and ran the INT back for a TD.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels round 1 pick 3 Walter Jones round 1 pick 6 Joe Thomas round 1 pick 3 Jonathan Ogden round 1 pick 4 Orlando Pace round 1 pick 1 Willie Roaf round 1 pick 8

Jake Long, Michael Oher, Jim Lachey

The Ravens consistently win because they ensure that they draft quality lineman in the first three rounds consistently (both for defense and offense).

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

This is a DAMN good game: I'm out.

peace--HTTR!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

KELLEN WINSLOW.

freaking soldier.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 5, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

PERI (before I go)

"The Ravens consistently win because they ensure that they draft quality lineman in the first three rounds consistently (both for defense and offense)."


Wasn't this La Canfora's last post?

Not that I disagree, mind you....

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

1992 1. Desmond Howard, WR, Michigan

1994
1. Heath Shuler, QB, Tennessee

1995
1. Michael Westbrook, WR, Colorado

2001
1. Rod Gardner, WR, Clemson

2002
1. Patrick Ramsey, QB, Tulane

2003
2. Taylor Jacobs, WR, Florida - 44th overall

2005
1. Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn (25th overall)

2008
2 34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State
2 48 Fred Davis TE USC
2 51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma

2009 Brian Orapko DE ???

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

calm down twissy!

I hope you are good at untangling knots. Your panties seem to be bunched so as to make your writing a snarled mess!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Soup 8 sacks - SF's Shawn Hill 13 sacks, yet 3-1 and beat the Rams 35-0 yesterday.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Read the box score.

S. McKillop Fumble recovery for a td.
S.Hill 13 yard pass to Vernon Davis
P. Willis 23 yard INT return for a TD
S. Hill 24 yard pass for TD
R. McDonald 11 yard fumble return

They got 21 ponts off the defense. Their offense only score 2 TDs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Peri the line unquestionably should have and must be taken care of through the draft. But win today!

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

calm down twissy! It took you 10 mins. to come up with that. Loser.

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

p. willis is BEAST!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 5, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

gallery round 1 pick2
bmw round 1 pick 4
levi round 1 pick 10
mandarich round 1 pick 2
there are busts at every position just drafting a T in the 1st is no guarantee. take best player in the first then focus on postitions. we passed on merriman and ware cuz we wanted a corner(los) and passed on AP cuz we had portis and wanted landry

Posted by: hcic55 | October 5, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

They got 21 ponts off the defense. Their offense only score 2 TDs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009

And I believe the defense helped set those up too. Reminds me again. Where the f*() are those "beasts" everyone was so "ravenous" about before the season? Where are they? How is it that Singletary can do what he did to the Rams (albeit with Boller in at QB imagine him instead of JC!!? ) and we can't? Is that on Blache as he wants everyone to believe? Or is it????

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

twisi don't you get tired of slurping JC's jock?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 9:02 PM

You're an idiot. You think the skins OL is playing well, so you get no respect here. You azz.

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 9:04 PM |

Skintillating repartee. Wish there were more of it on RI.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

They got 21 ponts off the defense. Their offense only score 2 TDs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 9:32 PM

How many TD's did DC get vs. the Rams?

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

twisi don't you get tired of slurping JC's jock?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 9:02 PM

You're an idiot. You think the skins OL is playing well, so you get no respect here. You azz.

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 9:04 PM |

Skintillating repartee. Wish there were more of it on RI.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 9:38 PM |

Ok, here goes, FU El Doosho. Sorry, couldn't help it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Brett Favre is still soooo good...

Posted by: rachel216 | October 5, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

gallery round 1 pick 2

The jury should still be out on Gallery. He plays guard now but its likely he would make a great left tackle say for Mike Singletary. He plays for Al Davis remember? Kind of like playing for ... well ... Daniel M. Snyder.

Nevertheless hcic55 you are right. And that's why teams like the Raven's and Patriots make it habit to draft OL, if they look good, in every single draft. It seems to have worked.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

How many TD's did DC get vs. the Rams?

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

You gonna blame that on JC? That was all zorn and his run left 10 times in a row.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Moe, patch job if applied properly.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

true peri, but the steelers use the best available irregardless of position and current roster and that works for them too. I also think getting anything other then some oline in this coming draft and giving them a year to gel would be ruinous.

Posted by: hcic55 | October 5, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching the Vikes and the Packs! Yo! Adrian Peterson's in the house! Watching these guys play makes me embarrassed to be a Skins fan...:-) Where's are the Riggos out there??

Posted by: rusty6 | October 5, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

We have sooo many needs. We don't have to commit the first pick for LT if there is a better value on the board (I mean game-changer...) But we do have to commit to begin addressing it on the first day...

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

What would you do if taylor mays is still on the board?

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Draft Him. We should have three picks on day one. I'm looking for game changers and O linemen. That guy is awesome.

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

For all you JC apologists (am I am a recovering one)

Please give me 3 reasons why JC should get an extension....

crickets....crickets...crickets!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Trade Portis, ARE, Rogers, Betts, Andre Carter, Todd Yoder, Smoot, and Rock for the best draft picks next year. The 2010 draft is going to be loaded with stars like the 83 draft!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"Hey buddy if you want classy enroll at DeVry.

Posted by: ElDrano"

Does this even make sense?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 5, 2009 8:37 PM |

To you it wouldn't. Thats why DeVry is the scool for you. They teach learning for dummies. Heh, heh.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

How many TD's did DC get vs. the Rams?

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

You gonna blame that on JC? That was all zorn and his run left 10 times in a row.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Realness...be real...Zorn's got issues too, but c'mon man...is JC a franchise QB? Doesn't JC hold the ball too long? Doesn't he lock in on Moss and Cooley?

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

WE COULD HAVE DRAFTED "ADRIAN PETERSON" INSTEAD OF LANDRY 2 YEARS AGO!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

For all you JC apologists (am I am a recovering one)

Please give me 3 reasons why JC should get an extension....

crickets....crickets...crickets!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

1. He is cheap. We can continue to get more talent added to the roster since we don't have to pay our QB 10-15 million a year.

2. We don't have to use a top draft pick on a QB. We can use our pick on a position of extreme need like offensive tackle.

3. We can win with him as long as we surround him with talent. He can give us 2 TDs a game. If we get a running game that can give us 1 TD a game we are a playoff team.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Please give me 3 reasons why JC should get an extension ...

I'm sure he will be happy to leave this travesty and circus as much as you are to get rid of him. Just like Champ.

Good luck finding anyone that won't believe this team isn't the Oakland Raiders East.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

hey drain cleaner----you can't even spell SCHOOL!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

WE COULD HAVE DRAFTED "ADRIAN PETERSON" INSTEAD OF LANDRY 2 YEARS AGO!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 9:55 PM |

The dead horse is properly beaten.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

twisi don't you get tired of slurping JC's jock?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 5, 2009 9:02 PM

You're an idiot. You think the skins OL is playing well, so you get no respect here. You azz.

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 9:04 PM |

Skintillating repartee. Wish there were more of it on RI.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 9:38 PM |

Ok, here goes, FU El Doosho. Sorry, couldn't help it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 9:40 PM |

Hey, it beats having to scroll through the MistaHoe/Curriculum shti.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

WE COULD HAVE DRAFTED "ADRIAN PETERSON" INSTEAD OF LANDRY 2 YEARS AGO!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009

Portis and the owner are BFF's. Peterson would have languished and rotted on the bench. He belongs exactly where he landed.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Trade Portis, ARE, Rogers, Betts, Andre Carter, Todd Yoder, Smoot, and Rock for the best draft picks next year. The 2010 draft is going to be loaded with stars like the 83 draft!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Ok... for that group I'll give you a 7th rounder, three buttons and a Snickers bar.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

How many TD's did DC get vs. the Rams?

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

You gonna blame that on JC? That was all zorn and his run left 10 times in a row.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 9:42 PM

S. Hill (UMD) 2 TD's; J. Campbell (Aub) 0.... That is all....

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Can we BAN the drain cleaner?

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

4. He gets better every year. If we give him 2 more years in this system then he should be pretty good right about the time our young offensive line, pass catchers from the 2006 draft class, and new RB mature. We could effectively have everyone hit their prime at the same time.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey, it beats having to scroll through the MistaHoe/Curriculum shti.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 9:57 PM

Get it right it's perineum. At least he puts all his crap in bold letters so it's easier to scroll right past. That dude is straight tardo.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Trade Portis, ARE, Rogers, Betts, Andre Carter, Todd Yoder, Smoot, and Rock for the best draft picks next year. The 2010 draft is going to be loaded with stars like the 83 draft!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Ok... for that group I'll give you a 7th rounder, three buttons and a Snickers bar.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 9:58 PM |

I'll up the ante 1 ham sandwich and a quack.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

periculum...

That's not a reason!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

S. Hill (UMD) 2 TD's; J. Campbell (Aub) 0.... That is all....

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

That's not all. He only had 4 passes in the red zone. 2 were dropped and 1 should have been replayed since ARE got mugged before the ball got their. He threw 1 pass away. You can't blame that on him. He can't score if he deosn't have the ball.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

hey drain cleaner----you can't even spell SCHOOL!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 5, 2009 9:57 PM |

And you can. Congrats. Devry is the scool for you also. Be sure to enroll in the "Satire of For Dummies" course. It should improve your blogging skills on RI a Brazillion %.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

The solution to all this is really quite simple: The light mysteriously goes on in Danny boy's head. He fires my cousin Vinny and gets a real GM, then removes himself from all football operations. The new GM hires a good hungry young coach from the available pool of assistants in the league and then goes about rebuilding the O line and certain skill positions such as RB, QB, Corner, etc...)

Looking like 2-3 years.

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

The solution to all this is really quite simple: The light mysteriously goes on in Danny boy's head. He fires my cousin Vinny and gets a real GM, then removes himself from all football operations. The new GM hires a good hungry young coach from the available pool of assistants in the league and then goes about rebuilding the O line and certain skill positions such as RB, QB, Corner, etc...)

Looking like 2-3 years.

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 10:03 PM

2-3 years? Are you on crack? It's gonna take ten times that long for the light to mysteriously go on.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Realness...be real...Zorn's got issues too, but c'mon man...is JC a franchise QB? Doesn't JC hold the ball too long? Doesn't he lock in on Moss and Cooley?

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 9:54 PM

No, yes and yes. Zorn's issues stem from a QB that can't read a defense as well as the backup and it has cost DC games for four years. I'm not okay w/ that.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

rachel, #4 isn't THAT good...we're just used to seeing jc play...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 5, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Ok...Gruden is having a lovefest over Brett Favre....

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

The new GM hires a good hungry young coach from the available pool of assistants in the league and then goes about rebuilding the O line and certain skill positions such as RB, QB, Corner, etc...)

Looking like 2-3 years.

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 10:03 PM |

Like mebbe what Denver did?

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

PERI: The reason why the Ravens are consistent winners is because of Ozzie Newsome who is one of the best Gm's on the planet he played the game at a high level and knows that games are won and lost in the "pits" on both sides of the ball say what you want about JC but the difference in JC and Flacco,Hill, and other young QB'S is their coaching and line play period end of story.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 5, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Ok...Gruden is having a lovefest over Brett Favre....

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 10:08 PM |

Someone had to take over for John "Turducken" Madden.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey RI,

I'm pulling back to back nights again..any1 feel like arguing?

MistaMoe: where've you been? You've been slacking and I have to be the one to call you out. You're not one of the negative nancies--aka (insert: political party and they know who they are)--here.

In fact you suggest ways to improve the team all the time instead of constant complaining.

Posted by: Vicc | October 5, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

2-3 years? Are you on crack? It's gonna take ten times that long for the light to mysteriously go on.

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You should look up what "mysteriously" means. If it did not happen mysteriously - it would take decades. It's all just a dream anyway...

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

2-3 years? Are you on crack? It's gonna take ten times that long for the light to mysteriously go on.

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You should look up what "mysteriously" means. If it did not happen mysteriously - it would take decades. It's all just a dream anyway...

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 10:13 PM |

Thanks for clearing that up. I don't think I could have gotten it without your help.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Get it right it's perineum. At least he puts all his crap in bold letters so it's easier to scroll right past. That dude is straight tardo.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 10:01 PM |

Not only is there scintillating repartee on RI but you also learn stuff as well:

Definition of Perineum: The area between the anus and the scrotum in the male anatomy

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Dude, you know I'm kidding.

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Dude, you know I'm kidding.

Posted by: edvar | October 5, 2009 10:20 PM |

So am I man, I'm being a sarcastic a$$.

Get it right it's perineum. At least he puts all his crap in bold letters so it's easier to scroll right past. That dude is straight tardo.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 10:01 PM |

Not only is there scintillating repartee on RI but you also learn stuff as well:

Definition of Perineum: The area between the anus and the scrotum in the male anatomy

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 10:18 PM |

So was I wrong?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Minnesota looks really tough this year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

So was I wrong?

Posted by: scampbell1975


No you weren't.

*chuckle*

Not this time. Well done.

Posted by: Vicc | October 5, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

guess they were 1 player away

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 5, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Brett Farve is an excellent Qb.

Posted by: Vicc | October 5, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

The line for Sunday is (-4) Carolina.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

"After [garcia] proves like he has everywhere else that he is a pretty solid QB keep him for next season"

that must be why he is on a different team every season, because he is so solid.

Posted by: divi3 | October 5, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I always support the head coach, he has a job to do, with what he has. But this O-line is maybe the worst line we have ever had since the 60s. Mark Rypen was an average QB at best. Joe Gibbs collected QBs that could throw the ball 80 yards down field. The 91" O-line gave Ryp an average of 4.5 seconds to throw the ball (or more) that's how we won games run, run, run some more then play action Deeeeeeeeep. JC is a great deep ball thrower.(Gibbs drafted him for this) not very smart. slow to read the field and does not have any where near 4.5 seconds on most downs and the D we are seeing do not respect our running game. We NEED a new O-line and will continue to be mediocre at best until that happens. Zorn and JC are NOT the main problem. there not great yet and they could be, but not with this O-line.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | October 5, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Funny, the commentators love it when Green Bay goes for it on 4th and goal.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Definition of Perineum: The area between the anus and the scrotum in the male anatomy
Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 10:18 PM

So was I wrong?
Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009

Coming from a guy who's handle means the sludge they scrape off the sides of White Plains holding tanks? Quite the compliment.

ScrambledEggsForBrains1975: it takes one to know one now doesn't it?

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Anybody hear that? Sounds like mosquitos or turd hitting the floor.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Anybody hear that? Sounds like mosquitos or turd hitting the floor.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009

Ol' Scramblybrains1975 he start with Port, 2 or 3 quart; he drank ol' Dranod; then puked (errr blogged) some more; Blogging RI 2 weeks on Wayamine, don't mix too good with CowPie wine.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

PERI: The reason why the Ravens are consistent winners is because of Ozzie Newsome who is one of the best Gm's on the planet he played the game at a high level and knows that games are won and lost in the "pits" on both sides of the ball say what you want about JC but the difference in JC and Flacco,Hill, and other young QB'S is their coaching and line play period end of story.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 5, 2009

True Dat. Its too bad scramblybrains1975, vicc, eldrano (probably all work for redskins.com) believe that changing out Campbell and Zorn is the answer to everything. But you are most certainly completely right.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

seeing the viks play this well takes me back to the 1988 glory daze

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 5, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

There's a stinkin' taint in here that can't read...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

At least he puts all his crap in bold letters so it's easier to scroll right past. That dude is straight tardo.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Based on this thread, its apparent you don't scroll past ... now do you moron? ~chuckle~

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

True Dat. Its too bad scramblybrains1975, vicc, eldrano (probably all work for redskins.com) believe that changing out Campbell and Zorn is the answer to everything. But you are most certainly completely right.
Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 11:09 PM |

This is the reason I don't cut you any slack and have been ignoring you for the past 2 months. You straight up lie. I've been one of the biggest Zorn and Campbell apologists for a long time and have always laid the blame at the feet of the front office. Only recently have I begun to question THE WHOLE TEAM but you just keep ignoring everyone's post and continue to post your uneducated, unresearched, and unintelligent crap and people will continue to ignore your retarded a$$. Now, back to the ITA bin for you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

At least he puts all his crap in bold letters so it's easier to scroll right past. That dude is straight tardo.

Posted by: scampbell1975

I guess that proves your the moron since I was responding to someone elses post ABOUT you. I see reading comprehension isn't your strong point.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

You straight up lie. I've been one of the biggest Zorn and Campbell apologists for a long time and have always laid the blame at the feet of the front office.

At least he puts all his crap in bold letters so it's easier to scroll right past. That dude is straight tardo.

Nope, just trying to prove what a complete and utter hypocrite you are. Saying that you ignore my posts, that I'm a 'tardo' 'perineum. Dude I didn't start the name calling you did. And so, shut the clap-trap otherwise, I feel you give me free license to say whatever comes to mind ... like comparing you to snyderato.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I guess that proves your the moron since I was responding to someone elses post ABOUT you. I see reading comprehension isn't your strong point.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009

Thought I was relegated to the ITA bin? Sheesh its like dealing with a 2 year old suffering from AD/HD. Sheesh ...

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Yous till don't get it do you loser. You don't even read the posts you just make garbage up that half the time doesn't make sense. Your an idiot and a moron that should have been killed at birth. I'm sure your parents are so proud of the incredible intellect that you have become that your Dad wishes he had choked your mom just a little harder while shooting it in her a**

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Thought I was relegated to the ITA bin? Sheesh its like dealing with a 2 year old suffering from AD/HD. Sheesh ...
Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 11:22 PM |

You got it buddy, back you go.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Yous till don't get it do you loser. You don't even read the posts you just make garbage up that half the time doesn't make sense. Your an idiot and a moron that should have been killed at birth. I'm sure your parents are so proud of the incredible intellect that you have become that your Dad wishes he had choked your mom just a little harder while shooting it in her a**

Read the above post. And your juvenile attempt at name calling. Its non-sequitor, makes no sense, and worst its incredibly boring ... why would anyone want to read the posts of someone who wrote the above? Think about it.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

You got it buddy, back you go.
Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 5, 2009

Thank you Mr. Gary Fitzgerald.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Egads... what an evening up here.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 5, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Alex Barron may be getting benched in St. Louis....

Skins need to at least send a feeler out there. He becomes a UFA next year I think (too lazy to look it up), so the Rams may just get their money's worth out of him and hold on, but if the price is right, that is a former top pick in his mid-late 20's.

Not saying we do it, but hopefully we can get some info about if the Rams are shopping him and if so, what the price is.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 6, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

wow, tracee hamilton's analogies are painful

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 6, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

the losses are easier to watch?
mental note, never waste time on her column

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 6, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

An excerpt from John Corcoran’s new REDSKIN COLUMN:

“The Endless Reign of Pope Danny the Inept”

“It has been a dozen years of renewed hopes and crushed expectations under the reign of Pope Danny the Inept. Entire dynasties have risen and fallen in other cities while the Skins have grown roots in Mediocrityville. When fan morale caromed off rock bottom, false hopes were briefly raised with the occasional wild card berth, or the return of a beloved coach, or multiple single position draft picks to assure success, or the signing of the latest overachieving underperformer or fading near great.

“But then the Great Coach returned to NASCAR, the Superstars kerplopped back to Earth, and the three receivers the ‘skins took in the second round last year caught a combined total of one pass for minus one yard against the lowly Bucs.”

Read it all at: http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2009 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Okay I am looking at the schedule right now and I have a hard time seeing us breaking .500

I have for the record:

we are 2-2 right now..

I have losses to: Panthers (in a close one), Broncos, at Dallas, and at Philly, at Raiders, Vs Giants, and at Chargers...With the Falcons game a toss up I can't predict that puts us at barely 7-9 or 6-10 :/

Does anyone see us winning more games than that? (and its looking iffy that we beat the Saints at home for that matter.

Posted by: Veretax | October 6, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

BlazerGuy234 or whatever your name is I appreciate your insight although warped your entitled to your opinion.

Let me ask you this if Collins is inserted into the lineup as the starting QB what will he do when he is under duress or rushed? Is he going to scrample ? If you recall the playoff game when he played and Seattle pressured , hurried and sacked him all game. He didn't have the arm stregth to throw long.

Campbell is not the major issue on offense althogh he stunk it up against Tampa. First off the offense line is very soft starting with the center Rabach he continually gets pushed around, then we have Rhinehart who is still young and unknown. Heyer is still young and needs to improve on his run blocking. This unit cannot run or really pass block.

The offensive line is a personnel issue that was not addressed adequaely this off season.

Next the 2nd year wideouts and tight end. For whatever reason this trifecta cannot get open, in Davises case he cannot block either but I will go back to the play calling. Zorn must try and adapt to these players strengths before teams just totally take Moss andn Cooley out of the offense. Sometime a coach focuses too much on do it my way instead of trying something halfway that meets his need and the strength of the player to help the team.

In regards to the running game , Portis runs hard, he blocks and has awareness. Betts should be on the bench and more carries need to go to Mason and Aldridge.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | October 6, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

ElDrano quoted me that Zorn is tied as the winningest coach since Joe Gibbs 1.0 and then added, "Thanks for nothing, Mr. Irrelevant. In case you didn't know, It's a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world out there."

But Zorn IS doing it lately, Mr. Irreverent.

Posted by: MrMerkin | October 6, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

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