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Zorn pondered an earlier QB move

Coach Jim Zorn said he made the decision late in the second quarter to bench starter Jason Campbell in favor of backup Todd Collins after halftime of Sunday's 14-6 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Several players, however, indicated Zorn seemed eager to make the move earlier in the game. In fact, Zorn, players said, first mentioned the possibility of making a change in the first quarter.

"As far as the change of benching Jason in the second half, obviously that didn't work. So that's not the change you need," said cornerback DeAngelo Hall, who was not among the players who said Zorn expressed his desire to make a change earlier in the game. "I think if I was the guy, I would've left Jason in. ... I don't think that was the right move. Coach made that move. Ain't nothing I can do about it. He made that move, he had to live with it."

By Jason Reid  |  October 19, 2009; 5:15 PM ET
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Comments

F Jim Zorn sideways...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

... not for this alone, but for everything... terrific guy or whatever, a hero in these parts, but good grief he needs to strap the money to his chest and bail out of this airplane like D.B. Cooper, disappearing into the Northwest like a ghost.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

We need to hire the Sham-Wow/Slap Chop guy. I dunno why but I'm sure he'd somehow be able to pitch it to us that the 'Skins are still a-okay.

Of course, if Billy Mays is still stuck in Purgatory with Bea Arthur, DJ AM, Jack-O, Walter Cronkite, Ed McMahon, than I say we go with the O-Dog and get Mays.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Either way he does have to live with it.

I really think Zorn would have tried Collins earlier if he thought it would make a difference. So, starting him in the second half yesterday shows Zorn is in dire straits.

He's desperate.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | October 19, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Campbell looked rattled all game. The line did a good job for the majority of the first half. JC seemed to anticipate pressure before it came. He did the same thing the week before.

If he starts against the Eagles, I don't expect that to change.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | October 19, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

WHO THE SJK CARES WHAT DHALL THINKS ABOUT THE OFFENSE?!?!?

IS THIS THE BEST Y'ALL CAN DO?

Similar to Zorn's offense.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Only thing DeAngelo can do is not tackle slow quarterbacks.

Plus DeAngelo's appearance on MTV's Cribs sucked.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"The line did a good job for the majority of the first half."

Posted by: MylesMonroe | October 19, 2009 5:21 PM


Not in the game I watched. Line was terrible all through the first half.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | October 19, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Poop - You missed it. DHall had a nice tackle on Cassel for like a 2/3 yard gain.

His shoulders was sqaured and he drove on him. When they reached contact....Cassel stopped moving forward.

He learned his lesson...for the moment....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Why is Zorn talking to players abut benching Campbell in the 1st quarter?

Make that call if and when you think that call needs to be made. Joe Gibbs benched Ramsey after 1 quarter of the opening game because he felt Brunell would be better.

Talking to other players about benching the QB during the game is like spreading gossip and does nothing but distract.

Every day that goes by, I lose more respect for Zorn as a coach.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm staying "apathetic"

Posted by: 4-12 | October 19, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Poop - You missed it. DHall had a nice tackle on Cassel for like a 2/3 yard gain.

His shoulders was sqaured and he drove on him. When they reached contact....Cassel stopped moving forward.

He learned his lesson...for the moment....

Posted by: 4thFloor

You noticed that one, too!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Why is the QB position so sancrosanct that even when a guy is playing poorly a coach can't try the back up, who is also a professional football player, without worrying that the starter is now scarred for life?

Posted by: Dchpacer | October 19, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad Zoron benched JC. We all saw the difference that move made in the game. He's desperate and until the O-Line is overhauled, we'll continue to STINK.

Start JC and let us get the 2-3 winnable games left on the schedule. Go Sherm!

Posted by: dcwun | October 19, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

and nice of Hall to say Zorn 'has to live with it'. I guess when your money is guaranteed, its someone else's problem if things go badly. Way to put the "ME' in team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

From another thread:

As some have already mentioned, since next year may be an uncapped year, the Skins could cut a lot of aging veterans and get a head start on rebuilding. Snyder would have to pay whatever guaranteed money was due, but there would not be a cap for it to count against.

This could be a little bit of a silver lining for the Skins, but we need a real GM to start acquiring the new talent for this team and put a team together.

Posted by: cannontl | October 19, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Why is the QB position so sancrosanct that even when a guy is playing poorly a coach can't try the back up, who is also a professional football player, without worrying that the starter is now scarred for life?

Posted by: Dchpacer

Well, Zorn did it and I'm sure we noticed the difference in the way the offense performed.

Posted by: dcwun | October 19, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

What did playing Collins accomplish? Is Vinnie thinking about keeping him around as a development project? Maybe he's the Skins quarterback of the future?

Posted by: osiuerer | October 19, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

D Hall also had a fairly bad outing ... as did Rogers. The entire team was serving crap sandwiches all around. Portis shoulda/coulda turned that long one into a TD but for Sellers getting tired.

The team lost b/c they were nervous going in, demoralized or whatever, and nobody did anything to turn the team around. They were all waiting for someone else to. You could feel the losing in the air, even as they came out of the tunnel.

Posted by: dcsween | October 19, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, Zorn did it and I'm sure we noticed the difference in the way the offense performed.

Posted by: dcwun

Yeah I notice that they still sucked. 6-14 for Collins but I am sure those that hate JC will come up for a reason for Collins poor performance. As I stated before it is not going to matter who you put back there. The line suck and the QB will suck due to that fact.

Posted by: jm220 | October 19, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Poop - You missed it. DHall had a nice tackle on Cassel for like a 2/3 yard gain.

His shoulders was sqaured and he drove on him. When they reached contact....Cassel stopped moving forward.

He learned his lesson...for the moment....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 5:27 PM

Conceded, better at tackling QBs ... but horrible at getting burned in coverage.

Posted by: dcsween | October 19, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Why in the damn hell doesn't Deangelo Hall shut his trap. Who in the hell made this mediocre loud mouth player who gets beat, who can't tackle and who happens to be around an interception the spokesman for the team. Not just the Delhomme play that he couldn't make but other plays that we all clearly see he did not make. The Falcons didn't want him and the terrible Raiders didn't want him but lousy players like him are signed by Cerrato and Snyder. When you can make plays half as good as Champ Bailey then you can talk. Otherwise keep your trap shut.

Posted by: getitritegov | October 19, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

And if I hear anyone in the Skins organization use the word "spark" again ... I'm going to ... I'm gonna ... I'll become downright apathetic.

Posted by: dcsween | October 19, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

And if I hear anyone in the Skins organization use the word "spark" again ... I'm going to ... I'm gonna ... I'll become downright apathetic.

Posted by: dcsween | October 19, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

You could feel the losing in the air, even as they came out of the tunnel.

Posted by: dcsween | October 19, 2009 5:43 PM

But how was the 'free' food and beer, courtesy of Barno?

Posted by: 4-12 | October 19, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

LOL at Wilbon using the deck chairs on the Titanic line. He must have been talking to hamsters.

RedDMV - I guess that means that expression really has jumped the shark.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 19, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

When he pondered the decision, had he perhaps consulted with a higher authority? It has only been obliquely referenced in an early Mike Wise column that Jim Zorn negotiated his own HC contract (without a lawyer) with Snyder. No doubt after one of those marathon sessions at Mr. S’s house. The thing that no reporter has delved into is, contractually, what is Zorn’s effective authority? It hasn’t been an issue until now. Could he have stuck with JC if he wanted to? Does Jim Zorn have the authority to override the new play caller during the game? I remember that Norval and Snyder had big issues over Jeff George’s playing time and Norval won, because it was explicitly stipulated in his contract. That is of course, until NT was fired, and recall that Snyder inherited that contract when he purchased the team. The point has been made that Jim Zorn has been undermined by recent decisions by the front office. JZ may have to accept all of this with a smile because he naïvely signed a weak contract. It would seem that his contract might be the indicator if JZ was ever actually the head coach of this outfit or just a figurehead of Vinny and Mr. S. Would you ever negotiate a contract with Dan Snyder without a hired professional to look it over?

Posted by: DailyOm | October 19, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

the great d-hall, locker room hero... strange enough he usually plays so far off his man that he is indeed in the locker room. remember his comments about mora ... i would say this is the sequel but i think this is the third or forth time he has spouted off about a coach(kiffin, petrino, mora)

Posted by: Burrasta1 | October 19, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

D-hall coach killer!!!

Posted by: Burrasta1 | October 19, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

onceded, better at tackling QBs ... but horrible at getting burned in coverage.

Posted by: dcsween | October 19, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse


Scratching my head trying to figure out where/when DHall got "burned"...

Folks around here have a habit of serving up DHall like he's some kind of big-time liability in coverage.

Yet can you point to one "big play" he's given up or one time he got badly burned after taking a risk?

Has he even conceded a TD this season to someone he wsa responsible for covering?

Posted by: p1funk | October 19, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I notice that they still sucked. 6-14 for Collins but I am sure those that hate JC will come up for a reason for Collins poor performance. As I stated before it is not going to matter who you put back there. The line suck and the QB will suck due to that fact.

Posted by: jm220

You are right. I'm waiting for the support for TC to start when most knew what would happen to him playing behind that line.

Posted by: dcwun | October 19, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I also have another point. Why in the hell is Heyer still a starter?

Posted by: jm220 | October 19, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what game you were watching, guys, but Todd Collins is the TRUTH. He's so cerebral, and he sees the field so well, and he has that lightning-fast release, he has the perfect combination of great wisdom (from 26 years in the league) and great health (from not actually playing too much)... he's nothing less than a superhero wearing a Skins uniform!

And I think you saw every single bit of that on display yesterday in the second half.

Wait, what happened? Huh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I just thank God that George Allen is not alive to see this mess.
And thank God that this team is not in the NFL...oh wait..they are in the NFL...damn..we are screwed.

Posted by: scholls3 | October 19, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

So I'm curious what people think about next year's draft possibilities. Only Redskin fans start looking to next years' draft so early in the season, but that's another can of worms. Considering if things continue this way for the rest of the season, we'll probably have a Top 5 pick and most likely won't be able to trade out for more picks. Campbell's gone and Samuels and Thomas probably are too. Do you go the route of finding a potential franchise QB like Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, etc or try and get a left tackle to potential anchor your line for the next 10 years? Personally I go the second route, as I don't care how good a QB is, if no one can block for him, he won't do jack. Anybody feel like putting in their two cents? anybody know how the best prospects at tackle are for next draft?

Posted by: DCinSD | October 19, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins? I thought it was Tom Jarrett at QB.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 19, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey, thanks loseable type. That little 'funny' I was trying to make won't work like that.

Oh well.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 19, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

So I'm curious what people think about next year's draft possibilities. Only Redskin fans start looking to next years' draft so early in the season, but that's another can of worms. Considering if things continue this way for the rest of the season, we'll probably have a Top 5 pick and most likely won't be able to trade out for more picks. Campbell's gone and Samuels and Thomas probably are too. Do you go the route of finding a potential franchise QB like Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, etc or try and get a left tackle to potential anchor your line for the next 10 years? Personally I go the second route, as I don't care how good a QB is, if no one can block for him, he won't do jack. Anybody feel like putting in their two cents? anybody know how the best prospects at tackle are for next draft?

Posted by: DCinSD | October 19, 2009 6:05 PM

I'd probably go OT as well. What sucks is there's 6-7 teams that look like they could finish worse than the skins pushing the pick back to #7 or 8 - still a high pick but not for the top QB/OT whoever they are.

Posted by: skinswest | October 19, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Was trying for a Warren Beatty, 'Heaven Can Wait' obscure reference. Eh.


Shabingus.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 19, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me why we didn't try a FG before the half? I know it would have been 54 yards, but not impossible. Better odds than trying a Hail Mary.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

No where to go but up? Philly losing to da Raiders was pretty frickin disastrous. Could be two titanics striking each other in the night.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

If you can build an offense around a guy who throws like Edward Scissorhands, we're going to be playing a hell of alot of defense.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Quote from Couples' Retreat: (a clear parody of fantasy Island):

"My password is Ass-tastic, that's right ass-tastic? yes, spelled a-s-s tastic."

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

If you can build an offense around a guy who throws like Edward Scissorhands, we're going to be playing a hell of alot of defense.

See Jay Schroeder, an almost MLB level catcher trying to play QB. Arm but no fundamentals, no footwork, and sloppy mentally not really always there. And Joe Gibbs won. He was the starting QB almost right up to the playoffs and division title. Then came Doug Williams to finish it off.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

If the coach had any wits or courage, he'd keep Campbell on the bench. But both appear to be inextricably linked to each other... sort of like Dan and Vinny.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 19, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Here is why this is the worst of the worst in my 25 years of fandom . . . we could win on Monday against Philly and I won't be excited.
I'll think it's a fluke, that Philly had a bad night, that our D got some lucky pick sixes etc. and no Kool Aid not a drop or even a whiff of Eau d'Kool Aid.

This is how bad it is . . .I am more depressed and demoralized than when we brought in (shudder) Jeff George . . .the horror . . .the horror. . .

So on the bright side I'm hoping those who go to the game on Monday will do all kinds of things like wear bags on their heads for national TV and maybe the FO will finally finally finally FINALLY get it. Fans direct your anger to the FO as much and as often as possible but stay classy DC.

I presume everyone has noticed how hallway at Ashburn is littered with the corpses of all those being thrown under the bus right now.

Posted by: sfskin | October 19, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Eagles lost LT Jason Peters. Don't tell me that didn't have any effect on their loss to the Raiders.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

DCinSD -- I would not take a QB next year. Too many other problems. If the Redskins have a chance, I would have them take Taylor Mays, FS from USC

That gets Landry back to SS as he belongs.

It puts a potential HOF'er at saftey for the next 10+ years, and solidifies the defense.

Next 2 years OT and LB.

4 years from now pick the QB

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 19, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Can not explain the no field goal except that Suisham doesn't have the leg on a cold day.

Let's stop the Sam Bradford talk, that dude is fragile!! Go with a couple big country linemen as a start. They can probably get Campbell on the cheap and we have too many RBs and WRs as it is already.

Posted by: mrlowery1 | October 19, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I too thought we should try the FG at the end of the half. Seemed like a higher percentage play than a hail mary.

...and Heyer is still starting because we have no one behind him. Imagine if that joke gets hurt, then what?

Posted by: edvar | October 19, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

From Sportsbog on Burgundy Revolution
- the whole post is hilarious but this is my favorite:


Then there was the e-mail I got from Ryan, who reminded me of those signs at FedEx that encourage fans to text 78247 for assistance. Sitting in the very last row of section 418, Ryan and his friends decided to text for assistance.


Redskins: 2:24:21 PM, WHAT CAN WE ASSIST YOU WITH TODAY?

Ryan: 2:25:26 PM, WE NEED AN OFFENSE ASAP. TELL DAN

Redskins: 2:31:17 PM, TRY TO ENJOY THE GAME

Posted by: sfskin | October 19, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Quote from Zorn's ooress conf: :The seriousness of the decision to do this is that we lose cohesiveness in our team. Now where's the cohesiveness in six points a game? See what I mean? So I'm hoping this is a positive."

I will not miss your uninspired play calling or ineptitusde with game mgmt, but I will surely miss your amusing, mystifying butchery of logic and the English language. Faretheewell, Zornbo.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 19, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

The Blake man pitches to Sarge, The Sargester bumps into his own man. It's a fumble! FUMBLAYA! Sargie "Fumblina" Wilkerson fumbles the ball!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

The rally monkey's out in Anaheim....F THE YANKEES

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 19, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn: Me fail English? That's unpossible.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

If the coach had any wits or courage, he'd keep Campbell on the bench. But both appear to be inextricably linked to each other... sort of like Dan and Vinny.

Posted by: Vic1
Yeah Collins really showed how great he is with 3-14.

dcp Have you lost your damn mind? Saftey!!! Are you sure you are not Vinny?

Posted by: jm220 | October 19, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Losing infects everyone up here, 4-12. Keep up the good fight.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

now the only other monkey's out of their cages are danny-boy and vinny

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think that D-Hall should not be worrying about who's playing QB and concentrate on covering somebody on third down? How many third and longs is he going to play 15 yds. off the receiver and give up a catch for a first down! Shut up and earn some of that guaranteed money... and why is this even worth quoting on R.I.?

Posted by: delskinsfan | October 19, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

So I'm curious what people think about next year's draft possibilities. Only Redskin fans start looking to next years' draft so early in the season, but that's another can of worms. Considering if things continue this way for the rest of the season, we'll probably have a Top 5 pick and most likely won't be able to trade out for more picks. Campbell's gone and Samuels and Thomas probably are too. Do you go the route of finding a potential franchise QB like Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, etc or try and get a left tackle to potential anchor your line for the next 10 years? Personally I go the second route, as I don't care how good a QB is, if no one can block for him, he won't do jack. Anybody feel like putting in their two cents? anybody know how the best prospects at tackle are for next draft?

Posted by: DCinSD | October 19, 2009 6:05 PM

I'd probably go OT as well. What sucks is there's 6-7 teams that look like they could finish worse than the skins pushing the pick back to #7 or 8 - still a high pick but not for the top QB/OT whoever they are.

Posted by: skinswest | October 19, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

As long as we're in the Top 10, I suspect we could get a taker for a trade. Pickup a late 1st and a 2nd or 1st/3rd/4th picks. Of course, this assumes we have competent GM in place by next April. Unless/until Danny emasculates Vinny as he has Zorny, that isn't likely to happen.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 19, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh, forgot to ask... how was the punter?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Let's stop the Sam Bradford talk, that dude is fragile!! Go with a couple big country linemen as a start. They can probably get Campbell on the cheap and we have too many RBs and WRs as it is already.

Posted by: mrlowery1 | October 19, 2009 6:25 PM

I wonder whether Bradford stays for his senior year now that this year looks like a waste. Can't say that many of the other QB's excite me that much as a top ten pick. I'd go with a left tackle first as well. If not available then a stud SLB or DB.

Posted by: skinswest | October 19, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

now the only other monkey's out of their cages are danny-boy and vinny

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I serve em up, you knock em down...priceless

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 19, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

DailyOm | October 19, 2009 5:48 PM |

This is the first time I've seen the Zorn is a sock-puppet theory so clearly stated. I must say if accepted the theory explains so much.

With the possible exception of Gibbs, haven't all of Snyder's coaches been sock-puppets?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | October 19, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

If the coach had any wits or courage, he'd keep Campbell on the bench. But both appear to be inextricably linked to each other... sort of like Dan and Vinny.

Posted by: Vic1 |

Sure, I mean we all saw how well that worked in the 2nd half.

Posted by: dcwun | October 19, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

As long as we're in the Top 10, I suspect we could get a taker for a trade. Pickup a late 1st and a 2nd or 1st/3rd/4th picks. Of course, this assumes we have competent GM in place by next April. Unless/until Danny emasculates Vinny as he has Zorny, that isn't likely to happen.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 19, 2009 6:35 PM

I'd be for that too but every year they keep saying it's harder and harder to trade down because those top 10 picks cost so much. I'd also want a GM who could put those picks to good use.

Posted by: skinswest | October 19, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

No player, coach or team with Little Prick Danny is going to be successful. While JC has had some less than great performances, I would like to see him play behind a decent offensive line.

As far as Zorn, he can probably only use about 10% of his playbook because it's always 2 and 10, then 3rd and 8. When the defense knows the Redskins have to pass it's unlikely they'll make the first down because all he has time for is a one step drop.

Dan Snyder set JC and Zorn up to fail so he can go after a big name coach to fill the seats for two or three more years while he claims a rebuilding process is going on.

When that ultimately fails the episode will repeat. LPD doesn't want a winner, just our money.

Posted by: knight1977 | October 19, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

OK, I guess you don't have to go OT with the first pick, but at least 2 of our first 4 choices should address the offensive line IMO. Otherwise I'd go LB, RB and CB/FS. Please trade down!!!

As for D-Hall - what a turd. Give your man another 5 yds cushion, softy

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 19, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

The punter punted well. . . got more yards the offense I'm guessing.

DHall should be in the weight room bulking up his upper body so he can make some better tackles.

Posted by: sfskin | October 19, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I also have another point. Why in the hell is Heyer still a starter?

Posted by: jm220 | October 19, 2009 5:58 PM

All those young, depth guys they've drafted in the past few years are still develo...what's that?.. Oh.
Nevermind.

[Breathing in...apathy apathy apathy...Breathing out]

Posted by: 4-12 | October 19, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree with everyone who says QB should be secondary to other positions, but I'm not sure about Mays as FS. While I do think Landry needs to go back to playing near the line, I just can't see justifying yet another 1st round pick on DBs when we have such a crying need at OL. Still, playing devil's advocate, there are some who say that a franchise QB is extremely rare and can do wonders for your team-look at Ryan in ATL and Flacco in B-More. Just food for thought.

Posted by: DCinSD | October 19, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Why is the QB position so sancrosanct that even when a guy is playing poorly a coach can't try the back up, who is also a professional football player, without worrying that the starter is now scarred for life?

Posted by: Dchpacer | October 19, 2009 5:33 PM |
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It isn't.

I personally don't give a flying f*ck about Jason Campbell's "feelings" or Jim Zorn's "feelings" or Todd Collins "feelings" or Clinton Portis' "feelings."

All of them are being paid a lot of frigging money - i.e., more than anyone on this blog earns, including the beat writer - to play a kid's game on Sundays.

They should all buck up or find another profession.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

i agree with DHall even though he needs to keep his mouth shut and just worry about the D but i do think TC is complete garbage and JC atleast has an arm even if the accuracy isnt there most of the time i still think the QB isnt the problem the coaching isnt the problem its VC the so called GM or whatever his title is and of course danny snyder might as well blame tom cruise also just for kicks

Posted by: skinsst21 | October 19, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Still, playing devil's advocate, there are some who say that a franchise QB is extremely rare and can do wonders for your team-look at Ryan in ATL and Flacco in B-More. Just food for thought.

Posted by: DCinSD | October 19, 2009 6:42 PM

There's definitely merit in that, I just don't know if this is the year for a franchise QB outside of potentially Bradford. I know some like Locker from UW but he it sounds like there's a lot of questions about him also.

Posted by: skinswest | October 19, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I will be taking some time off from the blogs except to continue to apologize and occasionally respond to comments that are addressed to me.

I still love the Redskins with all my heart, but I'm not okay right now.

Take care.


Posted by: Barno1 | October 18, 2009 4:20 PM

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Posted by: Barno1 | October 19, 2009 5:13 PM
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I guess for Barney, "taking some time off" from blogging means just going over to Terps Insider and posting there, hoping people here don't wise up to his ruse. So sad. He comes here and mouths off constantly how much Vinny and Danny are Gods among men than when the sh!t finally hits the fan he runs away (not really, just runs away to a different blog on WAPO) like a little baby.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

wow...good comment..


Not sure what game you were watching, guys, but Todd Collins is the TRUTH. He's so cerebral, and he sees the field so well, and he has that lightning-fast release, he has the perfect combination of great wisdom (from 26 years in the league) and great health (from not actually playing too much)... he's nothing less than a superhero wearing a Skins uniform!

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 19, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I have 3 Comments i would like to make. I haven't posted up here in a while, so I dont know if this has already been said...

1- You guys are going to disagree with me on thsi one, but i hate what is being done to Jason Campbell. This guy has all the tools we have wished for in a QB for the last 15 years. Sure he has been playing badly the last few weeks, but Collins clearly didn't do much better, and it is either a product of the O-line or the scheme. Campbell has great arm strength, he can make all the throws, he can make plays with his feet, and we have seen him take the team on his back and win games before (Dallas and NO last season). He has trouble making soem of the reads, but if Zorn wasn't so damn stubborn, he would adjust his scheme to the players he has. Campbell is a perfect QB for an offense that pounds the rock, and throws off play-action. He is so much mroe comfortable and in rhythim off of play action, and vertical routes are supposedly his strong suit. If he leaves here, i guarantee he will get snappd up by a team like carolina or miami or Minnesota, and while he may not be an all-pro, he will be a franchise QB

Posted by: DaFunBunch | October 19, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Well skins, the Bengals and Jets need a
D-lineman, do you still want to trade Montgomery?

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 19, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

2- We need to be much more aggressive in the pass game. We should just go balls 2 the wall, spread out in 3 WR, TE and HB and throw vertical seam routes all game with one guy running a check down. We leave 6 guys in to block, and really opebn the game up. Worst comes to worst, we throw a pick 3o yds downfield, which is further than most of our punts the last 2 weeks anyways, and more likely than not, we will start hitting big plays and opening up the running game. When we are on offense, we need to be on the offensive, attacking the D, not just trying to withstand what they are bringing at us. In my opinion, the root of the problem lies in the ultra defensive scheme we employ on offense.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | October 19, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

OK, I guess you don't have to go OT with the first pick, but at least 2 of our first 4 choices should address the offensive line IMO. Otherwise I'd go LB, RB and CB/FS. Please trade down!!!

As for D-Hall - what a turd. Give your man another 5 yds cushion, softy

Posted by: Notorious
WTF! Better go o-line with that 1st pick next year. And Oher looked very good against Jarred Allen yesterday.

Posted by: dcwun | October 19, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Don't put down D. Hall - he has more receptions than most of our receivers...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Still, playing devil's advocate, there are some who say that a franchise QB is extremely rare and can do wonders for your team-look at Ryan in ATL and Flacco in B-More. Just food for thought.

Posted by: DCinSD | October 19, 2009 6:42 PM

There's definitely merit in that, I just don't know if this is the year for a franchise QB outside of potentially Bradford. I know some like Locker from UW but he it sounds like there's a lot of questions about him also.

Posted by: skinswest

Check the O-lines of those teams to see how they've invested in O-lineman over the last 4 years.

Posted by: dcwun | October 19, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Since MeAngelo has so much love for Soup, maybe Hall can convince Campbell to pose as a tackling dummy on the sideline when Collins is playing QB. That way MeAngelo can both hug on his buddy Soup and practice tackling at the same time. Because one thing about Hall that can't be denied, he needs endless reps on the proper techniques for open field and sideline tackling.

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 19, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

We've seen enough of Jason Campbell to know this:

- He's slow with his releases and reads
- He has an arm that still can't find open deep receivers with regularity
- He's shell-shocked
- He's not a vocal leader
- He's making excuses for pressing against weak teams. What will his excuses be against good ones.

Whether going with Collins was the correct answer is ignoring it was the only answer to this chirade that we've got as a Redskin team. Campbell hasn't looked sharp all year and his offensive line was the best earlier and he looks unsettled. Obviously given the best choice we'd not have to resort to Collins as "the answer".

Jason Campbell seems to have the attitude that he DESERVES to be quarterback despite not playing like he SHOULD be the quarterback. He's perfect for Jim Zorn - a bland, characterless, uninspiring, medium person who can't bring us back from a deficit. We've seen enough of Campbell in enough systems to know he isn't the answer. So why are we even worried he's being yanked? It doesn't take a "hater" to see that Campbell is as over his head as his head coach is. I don't care if either Zorn or Campbell are "nice" human beings or love kittens and puppies. I want someone who will command the field, lift the team on his back, and ignore the past and challenge the future.

I hope Campbell is gone next year. I'm tired of his uninspiring play and his lack of productivity when we need him the most.

Posted by: laserwizard | October 19, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Check the O-lines of those teams to see how they've invested in O-lineman over the last 4 years.

Posted by: dcwun | October 19, 2009 7:03 PM |

Flacco was sacked like 6 times yesterday and hit about 15 and still put up 31 points.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh, forgot to ask... how was the punter?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 6:36 PM


Had one blocked. Gave KC the ball at the 50.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

This is the second week in a row we're hearing something from what players heard on the sidelines. Last week, it was the Mike Sellers-Clinton Portis pout-fest.

So question for these anonymous players that hear about all this stuff during games: How about getting your head into the game and stop loitering around coach, eavesdropping on his conversations with the staff? There's a thought. How about worring about why you can't block a man; why you can't tackle a man; why you can't run the ball; why you can't catch the ball?

I'm not saying this team is built to win; it isn't. But you players that sit there and put this stuff out in the press, you're like a bunch of six-year-olds. It's time to be men, not a bunch of little babies.

Posted by: ilovewilbon | October 19, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Bradford lovers: compare his performance last year (with a fortress of an oline) to this year(when said fortress now plays in the NFL for teams not named the redskins).

Just say no to Bradford.

New GM should: Blow out every body on offense with more than 4 years in the league not named Cooley or Moss. Trade them for picks if possible. If not, just cut them.

Draft olinemen. rinse. repeat. then repeat again. Trade or FA sign a SS LB.

Start the new linemen. Orakpo permanent DE.

Start Colt. He will either do well, or get killed. Either is fine for 2010. We'll probably suck again, but the cleansing will have actually begun.

Draft more linemen in 2011. Look at QBs if Colt got killed or is obviously not the real deal. Look at RBs if MM or AA not getting it done.

This, or a similar variation, is what needs to occur.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

And as for DeAngelo Hall and his words of wisdom lately, here's some for him:

Tackling isn't optional.

Press-man coverage isn't optional either.

Live up to your contract and shut your cake hole.

Posted by: ilovewilbon | October 19, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Just another reason why Zorn needs to go.

6 seconds before halftime. Skins at the KC 36.

What a team should do: Throw a quick out pattern. You either get 5 yards or its incomplete. This type of play takes 3-5 seconds. This play can work because defenses are more concerned about a team going for the end zone and usually play defenders deep. Whether the quick out is complete or not, you have 1 or 2 seconds left.

If its complete, you try a FG (49 yards), or if the pass was INC and the weather is too bad for a FG attempt, you try a play for the end zone.

36 yards does not need to be a Hail Mary with Campbell's arm. Run a set of deep patterns. By ordering up the lofted Hail Mary, defenders have plenty of time to run to the ball while its in the air.

But if you are going to do a Hail Mary, have your WRs run into the end zone. Thomas and Kelly were at the 4 yard line. Even if it was caught by Kelly or Thomas instead of picked, there would have been no TD.

Everything about that last few seconds was wrong. The approach, the play call and the play execution.

Just one small example of why Zorn deserves to go.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DCinSD | October 19, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I'd go OT. We don't currently have a left tackle. We just have a guy that gets pushed over by Mike Vrabel. I think that maybe JC could figure out this offense in another 2 years. If he does then we can save the pick we were going to use on a QB. If not then o friggen well we still take a QB later. We will never win with Heyer at left tackle but there is a snowballs chance in heck we can win with JC. In the second round I want a right tackle. We could probably get a center or a guard in the 4th. Then just go BPA with the rest of the picks. We should take the next 2 years and build a dominant offensive line. Then if JC still can't hit the broad side of a barn we take a "franchise" QB.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato -> retarted 2nd round 2008 draft
Cerrato -> retarted OL
Cerrato -> retarted HC
Cerrato -> the curb, with enthusiasm

Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Our beat writer scooped again!!!!!

Little Prick Danny tried to hire Shanahan and got the heisman ( a stiff arm)!!!

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/10/19/sources-mike-shanahan-turned-down-redskins-coaching-job/

Posted by: knight1977 | October 19, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato -> retarted 2nd round 2008 draft
Cerrato -> retarted OL
Cerrato -> retarted HC
Cerrato -> the curb, with enthusiasm

Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 7:19 PM

Cerrato = Retarded

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me why we didn't try a FG before the half? I know it would have been 54 yards, but not impossible. Better odds than trying a Hail Mary.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse
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Agreed. And the Hail Mary was thrown to the 3 yard line, not even into the end zone!?!?. Can someone explain that lame play? I guess our receivers didn't want to get shocked by breaking the force field barrier of the end zone.

Wouldn't it have been in keeping with this train wreck of a season if one of our receivers had caught the ball on the 3 and gotten tackled, versus catching the ball in the end zone for a TD?

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 19, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

3- We need to start leveraging some of the assets (player wise) on this team. We need to leave the Defense as is, they are a very strong unit and other than maybe a lineback/saftey, we are set there for 3-4 years. We have alot of good induividual playmakers on offense that clearly haven't meshed well together, whether it be the scheme or lack of blocking. There are only a few players who shouldn't be on the block in exchange for picks. These are Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Chris Cooley. If you can get a 2nd rounder for either Portis or Davis take it and run, otherwise keep them.

Moss is worth at least a 2nd round pick, and would make room for Mitchell/ the other two show us if they are able to do it or not

Campbell could garner at least a 3rd from Carolina/Miami/Cleveland, we play collins for the rest of this season and go from there.

Assuming Samuels is healthy, we send him to any team willing to offer a 1st, maybe more, as he only has a few years left and would be more valuable to a contending team.

Dockery would have some value, maybe 3rd-4th rounder and Rabach is a 4th-5th rounder. We could try to trade Heyer, but probably no takers. Betts has to be of some value, get rid of him, he doesn't do anything for us, not even step out of bounds.

Then, we rebuild the offense through this years draft. This is a very deep draft, and this is the year to break down the O and rebuild it. Of course, we have a new coach that could tailor the personel to his scheme.
Assuming we make most of the moves above, we would be left with
2 1sts, 2 2nds(depending on Davis/Portis) 1 3rd, 2-3 4ths 2 5ths 1 6th 1 7th

Posted by: DaFunBunch | October 19, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

We draft a QB with our 1st pick (or a defesive player maybe taylor mays if no QB is available), and samuels replacement with our 2nd 1st. Spend the 2nd roudners on another T and a G (and if portis is gone, use that pick to replace him, if davis is gone) with the 3rd, draft another G or a C. With the 4ths, draft a speed back who can return kicks/punts, a swing tackle and either a G or C. With the 5ths, get another interior lineman and draft a fast WR who has a good attitude and is willing to work on his routes (a la Mike Wallace of Pittsburgh). Use the next 3 picks to fill out the defense, special teams could benefit from some hungry, fast young depth LBs/CBs

Once we have this personell in place, the new coach can take a year to get the offense together, mind you we will still score around 7-17 ppg, so not even a change there, and in 2-3 yrs, when the defense is reaching its peak as a group, we should have a functioning offense with a good young QB, a line that has learned/played together for 2 yrs, WR's that have either proven themselves or their replacements and a young HB. We can sign a veteran or two as one year stopgaps to fill a hole and bring leadership to a young team (like the 49ers in the 90's or Zach Thomas, Junior Seau, Matt Millen). That is the way to fix this problem, and worst comes to worst, we have a good defense and an offense that doesnt move the ball in 3 years. Which is what we have now, so nothing to lose.
Feel free to pass this on to sr Cerratto and don Snyder, they are in a dark room waiting for a plan to create itself

Posted by: DaFunBunch | October 19, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Mr. DaFunBunch. I think you are a bit optimistic about what kind of draft picks our battered O men could fetch.

Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Assuming Samuels is healthy, we send him to any team willing to offer a 1st, maybe more, as he only has a few years left and would be more valuable to a contending team.


Posted by: DaFunBunch | October 19, 2009 7:21 PM

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Um........have you been following anything Redskins related? Samuels, healthy, in the same sentence?

hahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaa

Also, even if he was healthy who (other than Vinny-the-Clown) would offer 1st round pick for a 10-year vet tackle with a history of injuries. Pass me the bong dude.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Just another reason why Zorn needs to go.

6 seconds before halftime. Skins at the KC 36.

What a team should do: Throw a quick out pattern. You either get 5 yards or its incomplete. This type of play takes 3-5 seconds. This play can work because defenses are more concerned about a team going for the end zone and usually play defenders deep. Whether the quick out is complete or not, you have 1 or 2 seconds left.

If its complete, you try a FG (49 yards), or if the pass was INC and the weather is too bad for a FG attempt, you try a play for the end zone.

36 yards does not need to be a Hail Mary with Campbell's arm. Run a set of deep patterns. By ordering up the lofted Hail Mary, defenders have plenty of time to run to the ball while its in the air.

But if you are going to do a Hail Mary, have your WRs run into the end zone. Thomas and Kelly were at the 4 yard line. Even if it was caught by Kelly or Thomas instead of picked, there would have been no TD.

Everything about that last few seconds was wrong. The approach, the play call and the play execution.

Just one small example of why Zorn deserves to go.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse
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Excellent analysis, zcezcest1. You are 100% spot on with the quick out and take it from there based on wheter the pass was complete or incomplete. The Skins have no big picture stategies, nor can they make any tactical decisions on the fly during a game. Poor Zorn is so far over his head as an OC, and is completely clueless on how to prepare and motivate a team as a HC. Your example is just one of so many over the last 2 seasons where the Redskins don't recognize a situation and make optional decisions. Zorn looks like a deer in headlights. Stunned, dazed and confused.

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 19, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato = Retarded

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 7:20 PM |

Mebbe Snyder should have had Vinny take the Wonderlick test before he hired him. If they can do this for players they should also do it for management as well.

Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, this is what $23 million gets you, $nyder.

BTW, a little recollection for you, Little Danny: "We're proud that our search was diligent, thorough, and resulted in today's announcement," owner Dan Snyder said. "Jim's track record and reputation as a player, great teacher, and as a coach makes us confident that they will translate to success for the Redskins."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3238678

Posted by: nojunk4me | October 19, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

In the 2nd half, the Skins had 3 first downs. The long run by Portis and the long pass to Moss were 2 of the 3.

They had 5 possessions in the 4th quarter and had no first downs. Net yards in the 4th? ZERO.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Gasface, you put that very gently.

I agree that there is NFWIH we get the proposed draft picks for the players he named.

Snyder has earned and developed this 10 years in the making turd sandwich. It is going to take more than a year or a couple additions to eat and digest. Its best he takes a big bite sooner rather than later.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

In the 2nd half, the Skins had 3 first downs. The long run by Portis and the long pass to Moss were 2 of the 3.

They had 5 possessions in the 4th quarter and had no first downs. Net yards in the 4th? ZERO.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 7:31 PM |

Beating a dead horse?

Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Here's a list of potential free agent QB's next year...we're f-ed...

Top Quarterbacks

Age as of 9/1/09

Jason Campbell, Washington Redskins (27)
This is a make or break year for Jason Campbell, who was given another chance when the Redskins were unable to find an upgrade this offseason. Campbell has never stood out as a threat, but developed into a nice game manager in his second season starting. The 2009 season will mark his third as a starter and he’ll be expected to make the big jump. The Skins and Campbell will mostly likely want to wait until after the season to discuss a new deal that reflects his performance and likelihood to reach his potential. A young quarterback entering the market could become a headline in free agency, but he’ll need to boost his numbers to become a desirable long-term option rather than a stop-gap game manager.

Kyle Orton, Denver Broncos (26)
There’s no doubting that this will be Orton’s most important season of his short career. Moving from Chicago to Denver, Orton will finally be able to let himself go in an offense that will challenge and potentially reward him. With an open playbook and a talented stable of receivers to throw to, Orton should be able to improve on his 18 TD’s and his miserable 58.5 completion percentage. A great season could make Broncos fans forget about Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton a highly sought-after commodity.

Chad Pennington, Miami Dolphins (33)
A year after shocking the NFL by leading the Dolphins to a miracle turnaround, rumors have it that Chad’s playing his last season in a Dolphins uniform. The Dolphins really like 2nd-year pro Chad Henne as the future starter and have drafted Pat White as a probable back-up. This means that Pennington will need to use this season as an audition to prove he can still be a valuable asset on a playoff contender. He’s never had a rocket arm, but is very intelligent, completes a high percentage, and rarely turns the ball over. Teams interested in Chad’s services will likely have a position open for him and offer him a mid-level 2 year contract. Keep in mind though that the former 1st round selection has never stayed healthy enough to play consecutive 16-game seasons in his entire career.

Other Notable Free Agents:

Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (34)
Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams (28)
David Carr, New York Giants (30)
Kellen Clemens, New York Jets (26)
Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (32)
Jeff Garcia, Oakland Raiders (39)
Rex Grossman, Houston Texans (29)
Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints (30)
Tarvaris Jackson, Minnesota Vikings (26)
Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (36)
Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers (25) – Restricted FA
Patrick Ramsey, Tennessee Titans (30)
Brett Ratliff, Cleveland Browns (24) – Exclusive Rights FA
Troy Smith, Baltimore Ravens (25) – Restricted FA

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 19, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

...Would you ever negotiate a contract with Dan Snyder without a hired professional to look it over?

Posted by: DailyOm | October 19, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't negotiate a gym membership w/Dan $nyder w/o a lawyer (and someone with one of those car wash hoses to spray me down afterwards.)

Posted by: nojunk4me | October 19, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so we draft a QB with a top 5 pick...with no line (3 holes, 4 if you count Samuels) he's going to be running for his life like Carr back in Houston.


I will not get angry at any more games this season. I will sit quietly and watch every minute, but I will not waste anger on this team. It's not worth it.

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 19, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Here's a list of potential free agent QB's next year...we're f-ed...

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 19, 2009 7:36 PM |

There is a burgeoning list of legit QBs that will be available through the 2010 draft. That and 3-13 has to be our best hope.

Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

rich, you don't get it. We don't need a QB... this year or next. We need Olinemen, period.

Next year's QB is on the roster. His name is Colt. He is at worst a place holder. At best, he shocks the world and is the answer. It really doesn't matter which, and we'll never know absent new Olinemen.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Ramsey's dead...


Well cross him off then...


Major League for those of you too young to remember.

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 19, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I hope Campbell is gone next year. I'm tired of his uninspiring play and his lack of productivity when we need him the most.

Posted by: laserwizard

So would you like to see? Take your pick from the host of QBs that have started for this franchise over the past 15 years. We all talk about Little man Danny and his penchant for constant change, yet we scream for the same things that we criticize him for.

Posted by: dcwun | October 19, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so we draft a QB with a top 5 pick...with no line (3 holes, 4 if you count Samuels) he's going to be running for his life like Carr back in Houston.


I will not get angry at any more games this season. I will sit quietly and watch every minute, but I will not waste anger on this team. It's not worth it.

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 19, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I do get it, but does Snyder? You can't say that Campbell is back next year. He pulls the strings and we scream for Oline help. So I merely presented who is available as potential free agents and stated that if we drafted one with a top pick, we need 3-4 new, solid Olinemen to complement him and give him more than 2.3 seconds to read the D and make a solid throw.

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 19, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I hope Little Prick Danny's helicopter catches on fire and crashes in the Potomac River. Hopefully the pilot survives. LPD? Not so much...

Posted by: knight1977 | October 19, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

OK. Hire a real GM, re-build the O-line and let Colt play behind it next year.

Get rid of Collins AND Campbell. Collins because he's old and Campbell because he's "distraught," "shellshocked," pick your cliche.

Any objections?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I just want to know how a guy who just got here two weeks ago is gonna call the plays..I guess the proof is in the pudding regarding JZ's credentials as an offensive mastermind..All we heard when Al Saunders was here was how it was gonna take 2 years before we saw the results because of the however many thousand pase playbook...Sherm Lewis learned Zorns playbook good enough in 2 weeks to call the plays?? Whats it printed on? a dinner napkin??

Posted by: scottmando | October 19, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I am not taking up for Vinnie or Dan Synder, but the play calling was poor. After Portis had the 78 yard run, the next two plays Zorn called had a empty back field. Why would you leave no one in to help block on a pass? why not run ? remember the off line was already having problems.

Posted by: jc511 | October 19, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Broncos and Chargers gettin' chippy already, and it's still 40 minutes 'til kickoff.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so we draft a QB with a top 5 pick...with no line (3 holes, 4 if you count Samuels) he's going to be running for his life like Carr back in Houston.

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 19, 2009 7:44 PM |

The Falcons drafted Matt Ryan in 2008 and then used the 1st round pick they got from Vinny to draft a OT. But he was injured most of the year and yet ATL went to the playoffs with a OL of scrubs. The QB can make all the diff in the world in terms of how the OL looks. Take the Saints. Their PB LT Jamma Brown went down, some scrub took his place and the team is truckin right along as if nothing happened.

Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

You gotta feel bad for a man guaranteed to make 3 million next year in severence when 11% of the population is unemployed. 29% in Michigan. That being said, the only person who is at fault in this entire mess is Snyder. I heard the chants on Sunday, but there's a better chance of Bush being re-elected than Snyder selling the team. And that can't happen due to its unconstitutionality. We're f-ed...

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 19, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Collins lovers: Collins at QB in second half, Skins lead 6-3. Skins lose game. Collins expert reads and quick release result in a safety when he is sacked in the endzone. No hope.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 19, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

For every one Ryan or Flacco, there' ten Carr's or Harrington's.

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 19, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Broncos and Chargers gettin' chippy already, and it's still 40 minutes 'til kickoff.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 7:56 PM

Even other teams players are fed up with how sh!tty Vinny and Danny are.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Does the fact that Todd Collins couldn't get it done mean that Jason Campbell is no better than a career backup?

Posted by: Vicc | October 19, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

The Falcons drafted Matt Ryan in 2008 and then used the 1st round pick they got from Vinny to draft a OT. But he was injured most of the year and yet ATL went to the playoffs with a OL of scrubs. The QB can make all the diff in the world in terms of how the OL looks. Take the Saints. Their PB LT Jamma Brown went down, some scrub took his place and the team is truckin right along as if nothing happened.

Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 8:01 PM

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GasFace you've got to be kidding. The Falcon OL helped produce the second best rushing attack last year. It helped pave the waay for the second best rusher in terms of yards as well. It gave up the 5th fewest sacks as well. Ryan was helped by a dominate rushing attack, which the skins don't have, and effective pass protection, which the skins don't have. You may not have known their names, but that line was physical and cohesive, something the skins don't have. The new NFL model is to build the OL.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I think the best thing this team could do is start a steady stream of auditions for every position. I'd start dumping old guys as I found someone who looked like they had potential. Maybe the team will get lucky and find a some day starter for a position. I'd pillage any other team's developmental roster.

Who am I kidding? The only players that have come in for workouts have been courtesy interviews and punters. This used to be a way of life at Redskins park but there seems to be no plan to get better. You can't tell me there aren't still guys out there. Mike Williams was unemployed this time last year.

I don't understand this. Chris Samuels is likely done for the season and this will mean a roster spot opens when he goes on IR. Why isn't the team working guys out now? I don't care if it means converting some defensive tackle. There has to be someone: UFL, CFL, XFL - someone from somewhere should be given a shot and the Redskins should be trying to find that someone. OR, does Vinny stop working once the season starts? Do the scouts pack it in? Does everybody throw up their hands and say, "We've got the best talent we could find"? The Redskins may very well have the laziest front office in all of football if this is true.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 19, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Does the fact that Todd Collins couldn't get it done mean that Jason Campbell is no better than a career backup?

Posted by: Vicc | October 19, 2009 8:11 PM

hahahahahahahahahahaha

Zing!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

In this age of 'temporaryism', can we suck forever?

Posted by: Vicc | October 19, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Vinny has his radio show to prep for. Cut him some slack please.

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 19, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Does the fact that Todd Collins couldn't get it done mean that Jason Campbell is no better than a career backup?

Posted by: Vicc | October 19, 2009 8:11 PM

Nope. It could mean that the issue with offense is not JC. It also could mean that because JC isn't the problem, that by benching him, the HC further undermines what little confidence the offensive players have exhibited in his stead.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I am not taking up for Vinnie or Dan Synder, but the play calling was poor. After Portis had the 78 yard run, the next two plays Zorn called had a empty back field. Why would you leave no one in to help block on a pass? why not run ? remember the off line was already having problems.

Posted by: jc511 | October 19, 2009 7:54 PM |

That wasn't the problem TC got no pressure on those throws, the problem was running a fade to ARE.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

The media has thrived on uncomfortable moments of the Redskins situation lately.

It's like that show 'The Office'. Funny Show

Posted by: Vicc | October 19, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

who in FF is hoping things break their way on Monday Night?

Me. I've got a 1 point lead, and though my opponent isn't playing anyone and I am, they re-adjust scores from time to time and if I lost the point, I'd lose the tie breaker.

Tampa can beat Redcoat if he gets 40 points from Rivers and Moreno. A tall order, but not impossible. In the 13 games this weekend, 6 QBs and 5 RBs posted 20 or more points. Of those 11 guys, 6 posted 30 points or more.

4-12 can come back to beat Skulls if he make up a 17 point deficit with Brandon Marshall and Antonio Gates. He's got a pretty good chance on that.

Sween and SFSkin are separated by 2 points. Sween can win if LaDanian Tomlinson delivers, but its no sure thing. Tomlinson scored 1 FF point last week after sitting out the two weeks prior with an injury.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

It's funny, last summer people were saying Derrick Dockery wasn't much of an upgrade at guard. And now he's the best player on our OL. Okay, it's not funny at all.

Posted by: mack1 | October 19, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

The Falcons drafted Matt Ryan in 2008 and then used the 1st round pick they got from Vinny to draft a OT. But he was injured most of the year and yet ATL went to the playoffs with a OL of scrubs. The QB can make all the diff in the world in terms of how the OL looks. Take the Saints. Their PB LT Jamma Brown went down, some scrub took his place and the team is truckin right along as if nothing happened.

Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

You mean a scrub drafted in the 4th round that's been on the team for 2 years? That's not a scrub. We have an undrafted free agent and a guy that's been out of the league for a couple years. We are in no way close to a similar situation. The Falcons have a first round left tackle. We have Heyer. It's not the same. It's not even close.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

does any1 else feel like Casey Rabach is the worst starting C in the league? He's nothing but a stop-gap.

Posted by: Vicc | October 19, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

hey I have seen anklebiter teams that are more organized and are more well coached than the Redskins offense and that is no joke.
Some of the plays look poorly conceived and the play calling sequence is beyond understanding.
We all saw the play where the KC right defensive end beat Hyer to the inside, Betts to the outside and sacked Collins.
Sometimes these guys act like kids just starting to play that are afraid of contact. Which brings us to DHall who got burned and run-over a few more times yesterday. Like many of our players he needs to stop talking and start hitting.

Posted by: walshgraphics | October 19, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

In case anyone is wondering our line is horrible and the saints, falcons, and ravens all have great lines.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Why no thread on the news that Synder offered the job to M. Shanahanan?

I was hoping to vote on a poll on who will be the new coach of the Redskins.

Posted by: Vicc | October 19, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Mark Sanchez is tied with Carolina’s Jake Delhomme for the league lead in interceptions with 10, and his 56.7 quarterback rating is higher than only Oakland’s JaMarcus Russell and Cleveland’s Derek Anderson.

Information for those of you who think we'd be killing it this season if only Snyder had pulled the trigger on this draft pick QB trade.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

does any1 else feel like Casey Rabach is the worst starting C in the league? He's nothing but a stop-gap.

Posted by: Vicc | October 19, 2009 8:32 PM

He's the second best offensive lineman we've got now.

Posted by: mack1 | October 19, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

vinney must go!

deangelo hall had a reputation before the skis signed him, and so far he's lived up to the reputation.

On his advice on Zorn's decision on the quarterback switch saying "he has to live with his decision," No kidding!

And we as fans have to live you at cornerback!

Hey DeAngelo, You kcus!

Posted by: ccwbambam | October 19, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

You can't say that Campbell is back next year.

I can, I will. When Snyder hires me (after I wipe my face off), here's what I do:
(1) Tender JC at the first round level. Tell him I'm going to find a coach that can make him shine, and if it doesn't work out he'll be free to do whatever he needs to in 2011. (Yes, I know I'm not sure he's the answer, but look at the list of other possibilities!)
(2) Find that coach. Scour the ranks for either a college head coach or up-and-coming pro assistant OC that has shown success running a power running game with a less-than-elite QB. JC is talented enough to be in the league, just not in this offense. So we find an offense that he is suited for. My template for this -- and I'm safe in that this WILL NOT happen -- is Jim Harbaugh -- winner on the field, head coach moving up the ranks, actually got Stanford to beat USC.

Posted by: daggar | October 19, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

GasFace you've got to be kidding. The Falcon OL helped produce the second best rushing attack last year. It helped pave the waay for the second best rusher in terms of yards as well. It gave up the 5th fewest sacks as well. Ryan was helped by a dominate rushing attack, which the skins don't have, and effective pass protection, which the skins don't have. You may not have known their names, but that line was physical and cohesive, something the skins don't have. The new NFL model is to build the OL.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 8:12 PM |

You totally missed the point I was making. A good QB like Ryan or Brees makes everyone around him - RBs, OL - look good. A struggling QB makes everyone around him look bad. The opponent's DL licks their chops, pins their ears back and it's off to the races. ATL had a OL of scrubs last year and their O was good because of Ryan and the passing game he created. Most of their OL was undrafted. The Saints lose their PB LT and bring in a scrub replacement and Brees throws 5 TDs against a Giants DL that was supposed to be elite.

"The new NFL model is to build the OL." And every other part of the team as well. Having a standout OB is the key though. What the Saints and Falcons have proved is that when you have an elite QB you can "build" your OL with scrubs.

Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Just found this from an old Steinberg Chat:

Barno, Md.: What will the Campbell haters say when he makes the Pro Bowl this year? (notice I said "when" not "if")

A) I knew he had it in him

B) Big deal, it was just one season

C) He only made it because it was a weak year for QBs

D) I'd still rather have Cutler or Sanchez

Dan Steinberg: E) Brian Griese and Kordell Stewart were both Pro Bowl QBs.

Barno.....you're wrong about this.
=======================================

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahhahahhahahahhaa

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

"The new NFL model is to build the OL." And every other part of the team as well. Having a standout OB is the key though. What the Saints and Falcons have proved is that when you have an elite QB you can "build" your OL with scrubs.
Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 8:49 PM

So how do you relate it to the skins?

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Zorn needs to keep his quivering mouth shut.

AND, on top of his sideline gossip, he hasn't decided on a starting QB for Monday Night.

Why?

What else are you doing? Flip a Coin and GO WITH IT, YOU HIPPIE! You Seattle Puss! Get back to your medium State with your medium team and continue with your medium career.

Bye Bye.

Say hi to everyone down in Corpus Crispy for us!

Hip Hip... BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 19, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

So...who are good GM candidates? Starting to think Ceratto gets the boot after this season.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 19, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Than there's this:

Dan Steinberg: Hey Barno, by the way, good to hear from you. Been hoping you're well. Whatever you want to say about Barno--and lots of fans have said lots of uncomplimentary things--he says what he believes, and he doesn't back away no matter how dire things look........He has said, over and over, that he'd be shocked if these Skins don't win 10 games. I'm guessing the Samuels injury has him down, but he won't back away from what he's said. Give him credit for that.

Seems to contradict this:

I could not have been any more wrong. Please feel free to tee off on me, I deserve it.

I will be taking some time off from the blogs except to continue to apologize and occasionally respond to comments that are addressed to me.

I still love the Redskins with all my heart, but I'm not okay right now.

Take care.


Posted by: Barno1 | October 18, 2009 4:20 PM

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barney being exposed for what he his.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

My template for this -- and I'm safe in that this WILL NOT happen -- is Jim Harbaugh -- winner on the field, head coach moving up the ranks, actually got Stanford to beat USC.

Posted by: daggar | October 19, 2009 8:45 PM |

Just what the Skins need - another journeyman NFL QB as HC.

Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that seems like the good news.

Cerrato is looking gone, too.

If this is what it takes, then, so be it.

Let's TRY to support the players, though. We're about the only steady moral support they have left. Zorn has turned on Campbell, Cerrato has turned on Zorn... Fans have turned on Snyder.

It's like an episode of Survivor.

But the fans will always be here, whether we go to the games or not.

Oh, WTF am I talking about?

Bip Bip Boooray!

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 19, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

More Barno'isms:

Snyder has turned around this franchise, along with Gibbs and Cerrato. And I like the team we have assembled. No, I take that back...I LOVE the team we have assembled, and I am grateful for an owner that cares so much about his team that he is willing to do whatever it takes to win.

I don't buy into the garbage propaganda about Snyder like the thousands of sheep in this town who will buy whatever the media is selling.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 2, 2009 10:26 PM

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

What the Saints and Falcons have proved is that when you have an elite QB you can "build" your OL with scrubs.


Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

By scrubs do you mean 2nd - 5th round draft picks? The Saints have 4th, 5th, 5th, 4th, and 2nd rounders starting. The Falcons have 1st, 2nd, 7th, UFA, UFA. In contrast we have a UFA, 3rd, 3rd, 7th, 1st round bust that's been out of the league for a couple years. Our guys wouldn't make most other teams rosters. You are nuts if you think there's a QB in the world that's making those guys better.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Barno, sticking up for the little guy:

The Rooney Rule is illegal. It stands in direct violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibiting discrimination in the workplace. At some point, the NFL will get sued over it and the Rooney Rule will be challenged in court, and handily defeated. Mark my words.

Posted by: Barno1 | May 20, 2009 1:48 PM

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

love it. Rivers marches the Chargers thru the air down to the 4, then runs it 3 straight times and has to kick a FG. Is Norv channeling Zorn?

Then gets nailed for a KO return for a TD by Denver.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Just sit back, break out the bongs and stay medium. Alls well in the house.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | October 19, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

My issue with Barno has never been his unabashed boosterism or homerism. There's nothing wrong with it at all. When I was young and filled with virginal love for the burgundy and gold, I felt the same way. I even had posters of Art Monk on my wall and collected Redskins pennants that I arranged in a psychedelic spiral of affection all across my bedroom ceiling. They were my first love, and stuff.

No, my issue with Barno is the dripping sanctimony with which he confronts those who lack his passion and conviction. Rather than debate on the merits of an argument, he casts doubt about the loyalty of others, thus positioning his own loyalty as superior and, therefore, Barno, himself, as superior to the rest of us. The way he writes, it's not about him being right and you being wrong, it's all about him being better than you because his affection is so much more meaningful.

It's quite okay for Barno to be wrong about the Redskins. It's not okay for Barno to be a sanctimonious jerk.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 19, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm...a pass to a 6-5 Wr in the red zone...

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

No, my issue with Barno is the dripping sanctimony with which he confronts those who lack his passion and conviction. Rather than debate on the merits of an argument, he casts doubt about the loyalty of others, thus positioning his own loyalty as superior and, therefore, Barno, himself, as superior to the rest of us. The way he writes, it's not about him being right and you being wrong, it's all about him being better than you because his affection is so much more meaningful.

It's quite okay for Barno to be wrong about the Redskins. It's not okay for Barno to be a sanctimonious jerk.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 19, 2009 9:14 PM

Summed up PERFECTLY!!!!!!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm...a pass to a 6-5 Wr in the red zone...

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I was expecting a run left. Maybe they should ahve tried a fade to LT.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

...not okay for Barno to be a sanctimonious jerk.

Again with the rules! First you ask us to make sense, then not be sanctimonious jerks. It's the blogging version of the No Fun League!

Posted by: daggar | October 19, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, the first quarter has ended two of the FF games. I'm good and Sween has passed Butz.

Tampa needed 40 FF points and Rivers is doing his part, with 9, but Moreno hasn't gotten things going yet.

4-12 needs 17 from Brandon Marshall and Antonio Gates. So far, Gates has gotten 2, Marshall none.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

You are nuts if you think there's a QB in the world that's making those guys better.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 9:07 PM |

You missed my point entirely. I didn't say that you could build a OL that would click with an elite QB with just any old scrubs lying around. Perhaps I shouldn't be using the term "scrubs" because it sounds too perjorative. But if you have good talent evaluators and good coaches you can build a good OL that will click with an elite QB without having to use a bunch of high round draft picks.

Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

barney being exposed for what he his.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 8:56 PM |
-----------------------------------------

And here we have Danny Snyder and his Personnel Expert, Vinny Cerrato.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 19, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

And here we have Danny Snyder and his Personnel Expert, Vinny Cerrato.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 19, 2009 9:25 PM

Atleast Barno's got a smile on his face.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

WOW! What have I missed today...??? Barno getting ripped? The nerve of some people.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 19, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

You missed my point entirely. I didn't say that you could build a OL that would click with an elite QB with just any old scrubs lying around. Perhaps I shouldn't be using the term "scrubs" because it sounds too perjorative. But if you have good talent evaluators and good coaches you can build a good OL that will click with an elite QB without having to use a bunch of high round draft picks.

Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Typically elite left tackles need to be high first round picks. Right tackles should be second round. The guards and centers can usually be 4th-5th rounders. Sometimes UFAs work out but that is clearly an exception and not the rule. I would draft a high first round left tackle like russel okung and then try to get adam ulatoski in the second if I were vinny. Then we could take matt tennant in the 4th. Finally, move BMW to right guard. That would be my line for 2010.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight, little fast guys can return kicks for touchdowns? I thought you were supposed to fall down at the 23 yardline.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow poopy is on barno tonight like...well...stink on siht!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

RI,

So just for "poopy mcpoops and giggles", what does the play calling sound like on Monday Night.

Bingo- Jim, I want 3 WR's, 1 RB and none of the guys Vinny drafted.

Jim - Bingo, huh,...... huh,..... bingo, huh we don't have anyone here that Vinny didn't draft.... I mean, Bingo, we have 3 Undrafted Free Agents, should we run them..

Bingo- Jim, we are going to save that for the 2nd half...no wonder you have been stripped of your duties ( poopy mcpoop that "word" was for you )

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 19, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Sherm Lewis is going to make a difference one way or another on Monday night. He's using Zorn's playbook, he's radioing down on the field to Zorn and if Zorn developed a little headset malfunction, it would be all Zorn. Since this will be Zorn's last game, I think he should pull the old headset can-you-hear-me-now routine.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

This slow mo HD firing of Zorn is really something to see. Maybe danny will fire cerrato and zorn on national tv post game next Monday night.

That would be entertaining.

And appropriate.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey Redskins fans, if you're like me you're in a state of depression. The lowest of low for this team and no hope in sight. The antidote to depression?... a little humor. If you haven't seen this video that someone posted on YouTube, covering the Skins' misery over the past 10 years, you gotta view it. Sad but true and done w/ humor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyhU6kmoD8E&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: kdk2 | October 19, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

paskinsfan,
I like your proposed line next year. BMW would be a good RG IMO.

OT OT C/G > WR TE WR

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

RI,

Bingo - Jim, we are going to run the ball and run it down their throats...

Jim - Bingo, I told you we have 3 UFA's as our Lineman....I don't think we can run anything down anyone's throat...

Bingo - Jim, just call the play..

Jim - What play is that?

Bingo - You know the one where we run up the middle

REF - 5 yd penalty, delay of game!

Jim - Bingo, what play now?

Bingo - THE SAME PLAY!

Jim - But we didn't run one???

Bingo - Dand it Jim.

REF - 5 yd penalty, delay of game

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 19, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

kdk2, that caca is FUNNY. So damn true.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

As a life long Redskins fan, I've been holding out hope that things will turn around for this franchise. Unfortunately, I think I've come to realize that it's highly unlikely that that turnaround will occur. If it does, more power to the Skins. It's gotten to the point where I don't even feel like listening to the broadcast of the game on ESPN 980.

IMHO, this franchise needs to be blown up and rebuilt by a competent front office. Will anyone be willing to work and coach for Snyder? Doubtful. The Skins over the past 10 years, to me, are known as the franchise where you go to get paid, not to fulfill dreams of winning championships. This team over the past 10 years has been a team of mercenaries. Until that culture changes, the team will never win a championship.

For those of you that have season tickets or watch the train wreck every weekend on tv, here's hoping that something drastic occurs this offseason, for all of our sakes. Thankfully, I only have to watch the team when it's a nationally broadcasted game, like Monday night (ugh). There's no denying Snyder's business acumen as the Skins are one of the most valuable franchises in the NFL, but when it comes to football, the Skins are near the bottom with the Raiders.

Now, I know you all paid good money for those seats, but if you really want to hurt Snyder, hit his pockets and don't attend the games. He will certainly feel that more so than hearing a silly chant. You're still in his 90K seat stadium where you will no doubt purchase concessions of some sort and paid money to park. That's what matters to Snyder most, the almighty dollar, not championships. If that's the case, Schottenheimer would probably still be coach.

Posted by: JinxMan | October 19, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

KD,

Holy crap...... that is hilarious.... Damn, I could cry! Andre Lott.... Bauman... Sertz.....Manuel White..... AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME!!!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 19, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

2-14

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 19, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

downloading today's TK podcasts

Posted by: dealer1 | October 19, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Zorn - Bingo, so what do you want?

Bingo - uhh, I'm thinking this Monday night game is later then I remember them being.......

Zorn - sooooo, what is the play?

Bingo - Let Jason call it in the huddle

Zorn - But Todd is the QB.......

Bingo - Spread the formation... and let Brett make a play

Zorn - Brett who?

REF - 5 yd penalty, DELAY OF GAME

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 19, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

nothing short of vinny's head on a platter and danny to butt out like he did for 6 months with marty will make me trust this team. not 6-2 not 10-2...

F this ownership! and i called for brownbags and we saw it. THIS NEEDED TO HAPPEN!!! i hope it's enough and it doesn't come to blackouts if it needs to happen so be it. but i hope the twit learns his lesson from this. btw...anyone heard of a thingmajiggie for mervis diamonds to buy the skins thingie?

Posted by: dealer1 | October 19, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

B-I-N-G-O, B-I-N-g-O, B-i-n-g-o and Bingo was his name-o.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Skins draft next year had better be: OT, OT, OT/G, C/G, G, QB.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

that video was genuinely funny...lol...he's every fan...i hope.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 19, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20091019/COLUMNIST0202/910190338/Column++This+is+the+worst+Titans+team+ever

If misery indeed loves company, this is must reading for all Skins fans.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 19, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

peric, if they draft like that that would be something danny and vinny would do.

ohh we need OLinemen? ohh okay...ol, ol, ol, ol....

AND THEY WOULD ALL SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but people like lisa and greg would be like it's only year one...give em 3 or 4 years...lol :)))))))

Posted by: dealer1 | October 19, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

and i just love it how greg from boston is turning his nose on shany! wow!!! dude, ummmm skins hc right now couldn't get a job at springfield high as their hc or oc or noc

Posted by: dealer1 | October 19, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

dcp Have you lost your damn mind? Saftey!!! Are you sure you are not Vinny?

Posted by: jm220 | October 19, 2009,/i>

Actually he makes sense, without the sense of urgency associated with the OL ... due to years of neglect. drafting that safety ... yes. The problem on defense is still lack of turnovers ... even with dancing bear Haynesworth and OkayIcanRapKo. They still need a difference maker on defense. And that guy might just be it. QB? Yeah like look at Sanchez right now? It'll take 2 to 3 years for any newbie to be ready.

However, the problem is there is that sense of urgency associated with the OL, you have to draft OL highest, high and often. This team has no choice. No way around it. They need too many players both in terms of starters and depth on the OL.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

3 kick returns for TDs, 2 for Royal and 1 for Sproles. Turns out I have both of them on my FF ... bench

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

and please don't compare steve spurrier who was hamstrung by danny's love affair with ramsey, trung candidate...with this guy...
spurrier beat the patsies!!!!! spurrier outcoached bellichoke...spurrier has been an hc at the highest college level...the dude almost beat bama at bama with the cocks!!! the cocks!!! ugh!!! ignant ibtches!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 19, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

AND THEY WOULD ALL SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but people like lisa and greg would be like it's only year one...give em 3 or 4 years...lol :)))))))

Oher is already starting for the Ravens. They plan to move him to left tackle over Heyer's UMD team mate. The Skins could have drafted Oher instead of Orapko. Okay? He would have made a difference. Do you really believe that Orapko is more of a difference maker than Shawn Springs was? NO!!!

The only guy who made sense is dpc who thinks they should draft Taylor Mays. Yeah, if the OL had little in the way of decent starters, no depth ... yeah I can see that. Its QB that takes 2-3 years. Look at Sanchez. This fan base could never stomach it at this point. After Heath, Gus, Spurrier's Fla's Ramsey, and now Campbell. They have to sign a veteran.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

The bumper sticker on my car reads, "I Like Barno"

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Nothing is Sherm Lewis' past suggests he will be a successful play caller. He was stripped of play calling duties when he was the OC under Dennis Green. He was play caller for Brett Favre's worst season.

And this is the guy handpicked by Vinny?

If Vinny is still here after this season, he'd better make sure he keeps those incriminating photos of Snyder locked in a safe place.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

B-I-N-G-O, B-I-N-g-O, B-i-n-g-o and Bingo was his name-o.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 10:29 PM
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Are you talking about the movie Bingo about the dog and the kid? Where the dad is the kicker for the Broncos, than Packers and his kid and dog get kidnapped by gamblers so they'll force the dad to miss a kick against the Lions but the dog saves the day?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

The bumper sticker on my car reads, "I Like Barno"

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 10:50 PM

hahahahahahahah

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Ok guys, here's the film on the iggies.
In film room - Mike u got the cd, yeah, oh check out those moves as she slithers around the pole.
Coach. have you guys been studying your routes. Yeah. she sashays around the first table, between the next two, and sits on my lap. Got it coach. Who has the nachos?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | October 19, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I can see how they will speed up the play calls

B1 - baby bingo
B4 - next door
I22 - quack quack

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 19, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Sad but true and done w/ humor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyhU6kmoD8E&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: kdk2 | October 19, 2009 10:02 PM |
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IT'S NOT FUNNY!!!!

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 19, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Updated: October 19, 2009, 10:57 PM ET
Source: Campbell gets next start

Jason Campbell will get the start at quarterback this week for the Washington Redskins, a league source told ESPN.com's Matt Mosley on Monday.

The Redskins play a high-profile Monday night game against the Philadelphia Eagles on Oct. 26.

Head coach Jim Zorn, who was stripped of play-calling duties on Sunday, made it clear at his Monday news conference that he would make the decision on who would start at quarterback.

Zorn yanked Campbell at halftime of the 14-6 loss to the Chiefs and replaced him with Todd Collins, who hadn't played since the end of the 2007 season.

Zorn said Campbell was "a little late in hitting some things" and "inaccurate."

Zorn, a former NFL quarterback, is overseeing a team that hasn't scored more than 17 points in any game this season.

Sherman Lewis, who was recently brought in as a consultant, was given the play-calling duties on Monday.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Nothing is Sherm Lewis' past suggests he will be a successful play caller. He was stripped of play calling duties when he was the OC under Dennis Green. He was play caller for Brett Favre's worst season.

And this is the guy handpicked by Vinny?

If Vinny is still here after this season, he'd better make sure he keeps those incriminating photos of Snyder locked in a safe place.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse


Alan, he is here simply to call plays in an interim fashion so Danny can run Zorn after next Monday night. Zorn is already gone, Vinny is a walking corpse. They are both gone. I actually think Danny gets it now.

Embrace the suckiness. Its cleansing. Its needed. This is what needed to happen to convince Danny to get a real GM, a real coach to work with the real GM, and to stay the hell out of the kitchen.

This is also what needed to happen so the fan base will sit still long enough to let a true rebuild develop on offense. Colt(perhaps), MM, AA, Cooley, DT, MK, MM, and 4 Olinemen and 2 LBs presently playing in college are what will have us winning in 2011.


Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

JASON CAMPBELL WILL START AGAINST PHILLY

according to espn.com

Posted by: dealer1 | October 19, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

happiest person in ashburn is collins. and i'm really really happy for him. he does not deserve to go down with this ship ablazed...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 19, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Nothing is Sherm Lewis' past suggests he will be a successful play caller. He was stripped of play calling duties when he was the OC under Dennis Green. He was play caller for Brett Favre's worst season.

And this is the guy handpicked by Vinny?

If Vinny is still here after this season, he'd better make sure he keeps those incriminating photos of Snyder locked in a safe place.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 10:55 PM | Repo

I notgoing to defend the choice, but just for my own curiosity, I went back and looked at the stats of the offense for the "Brett Favre worst season". The Packers had a pretty good offensive team irregardless of Farve's performance. Food for thought. Also, I wonder when Lewis lost his job with the Vikings? When I look at their scoring output, they had some good games.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

It was reported that all CHIEFS playeers except cassel can be had for a trade. could we swap some offensive linemen?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | October 19, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

ARE for a ball boy if you ask me.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait until Vinny defends himself by saying "uhh, i got Jarmon!! i got Horton, too"

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

how much will be laughing exactly one week from now?

Posted by: kman2 | October 19, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

I actually think Danny gets it now.

Speculation. Spectacularly unsupported speculation.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 19, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

The new NFL model is to build the OL.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse
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Since when is this a new philosophy or model? I've heard this catch phrase a few times this week on this blog and I'd just like to point out that this philosophy has been around for a while. Just not in this town while Snyder has owned the team.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

does Norv Turner ever change?

and i was wrong about josh mcdaniels...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Good job Mayor McCheese, Use tackle troubled Hall to speak about this teams QB situation. JC - 0 points: TC - 6 points last game. That should be all.... Not to mention 60 rating for TC vs. 48 for your boy. If the ORG. doesn't want to win, then trade all in a fire sale and start Woodson.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 19, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Of course its speculation. Synthesizing the leaky type reports and comments, i don't think its a complete delusion.

We'll see. Like you, I can only really hope the insanity ends.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

from cnnsi.com:

Sources have confirmed that the Washington Redskins recently tried to hire Mike Shanahan to replace Jim Zorn and Shanahan declined. The sources would not rule out the possibility that Shanahan would reconsider in the offseason.

"Shanahan told the franchise there was little he could do in the middle of the season for them and that changing coaches during the season in the NFL rarely works,'' a Redskins management source told FanHouse. "Several people that Dan Snyder trusts have suggested, if he makes a move, he should turn it over to secondary coach Jerry Gray. That could still happen.

"We are trying to give Jim every chance to turn it around. The move to [bring in offensive consultant Sherm] Lewis is to take more off Jim's plate, especially the play-calling, because it is not working, and that is where Jim is spending much of his time. Now he can coach the entire team. Let's see where that gets us.''

Posted by: dealer1 | October 19, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Realness1 | October 19, 2009 11:29 PM
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Todd Collins is your final answer?

Please change your name to Fakeness1, in the interests of honest disclosure.

No, you can't ask a friend.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 19, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

McDaniel seemed like a huge idiot in Denver this offseason with the whole Cutler thing. The Broncos are a huge surprise to me.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

what has Shanahan done since Elway retired?

have you seen the Broncos lately?? they're undefeated with the new coach.

Hire a GM who knows what he's doing then everything else will fall into place. you don't need a BIG name coach, look at Atlanta and Denver!!!

Posted by: joek443 | October 19, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 19, 2009

The lightning will. Today Zorn compared and contrasted 17 & 15. 17: more mobile stronger arm. 15: Can read the D and distribute the ball on time. So, you back the million $ athlete w/ the 5 cent brain; I support the opposite. The best of what they have now. Smart over stupid, always.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 19, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

but who's going to pick the gm? you trust danny and vinny to pick a good gm?

Posted by: dealer1 | October 19, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

dealer...Snyder aint going anywhere, the only hope is that he is shamed into changing his ways and gets a real GM...faint hope maybe, but the only one none the less.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

sorry I wasn't clear earlier.. first fire Vinny then hire a GM

Posted by: joek443 | October 19, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

my answer hire dungy, cowher, holmgren to form an interview panel, advisors to find a gm....

i wouldn't mind dungy as the hc either...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 19, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

No That is the model period.
* See Joe Gibbs Edition I
* See The Hogs
* See Tre Johnson, Samuels, Jon Jensen on this line at the same time?
* I think we need the Maryland OL's we cut.
* Heyer is LT William RT deal with it. They are both younger and healthier than Jensen and Samuels(Thanks for the years both)

"The new NFL model is to build the OL." And every other part of the team as well. Having a standout OB is the key though. What the Saints and Falcons have proved is that when you have an elite QB you can "build" your OL with scrubs.
Posted by: GasFace | October 19, 2009 8:49 PM
So how do you relate it to the skins?
Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zariah | October 19, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Neither comeback proved successful, as 4-12 needed 17 FF points, but only got 11 from Gates and Marshall. Meanwhile, Tampa needed 40 to overcome Redcoat, but Rivers faded after a hot start and Moreno didn't do anything special.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

it'll be funny if shanahan accepts the girls job in midseason after declining danny

Posted by: dealer1 | October 19, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

no, that's a bad idea... NO MORE BIG NAME COACHES!!!

you hire a GM like Bill Polian then he'll find the next Gibbs, Homgren, Dungy or Parcells.

Posted by: joek443 | October 19, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh, this is terrific.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

and i was wrong about josh mcdaniels...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Your not the only one. Damn he's intense.....plus, he just looks like he knows what he's doing.

Posted by: k_square | October 20, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

sportscenter gonna talk zorn/skins in a few minutes...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Shanny's goin' to Dallas. Mark it down.

This is a good thing.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 20, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

eddie royal....dam

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Can anybody tell me why it is going to make any difference if Sherm is calling the plays but Zorn still says who plays?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 20, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I agree... the only big name coach that should even be considered is Bill Cowher if he's the choice of the new GM.

other than him, I wouldn't consider any of the other unemployed big name coaches

Posted by: joek443 | October 20, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Yet another season where we all pay because little Danny was never picked for either team.

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 20, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

easy mistake to make on JDaniels after what happened in Denver during the offseason. Many of us were fooled.

JD is NOT medium.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 20, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

as Sonny always says play-calling is vastly over-rated.. no play is designed to fail!! it's all about the execution.

Posted by: joek443 | October 20, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

There was one commentator I heard today that indicated that the play caller also must have say so on who plays.

Also another group indicated that Sherman is actually the OC now.

If any of this is true, then Zorn is actually bucking the system.

That being said they need to fire him now. As in right now and not next week.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 20, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

you don't have to look very far, just look at the Ravens.

if you have a competent GM, he'll find a coach like John Harbargh and draft a player like Joe Flacco.

Posted by: joek443 | October 20, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Hey I guess Dan Snyder, VC and all the smart fans were right, Marc Sanchez would have been a great move he would have brought the Skins to the Super bowl, 6 ints last night looked GREAT. Or maybe those intelligent fans that said Colt Brennan is the answer, who was terrible in pre-season and is a backup at best...LoL, oh wait maybe it is was those that said Chase Daniels is the Answer? oh wait it doesn't stop there, the latest one was the immobile career back up Todd Collins...I continue to shake my head at how much lack of knowledge some fans actually have . I used to think we had Smart football fans in D.C. but obviously Dan Snyder has brain washed many of you.

Here's an Idea...Fire Vinny! Hire a GM, or maybe we try build a football team the right way, build the Oline and actually give Jason Campbell a real chance.

Oh wait now some smart guys are asking for Tim Tebow...yeah he is the Answer now...hahaha it is just simply Amazing...

Posted by: gcoles32 | October 20, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 20, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Here's an Idea...Fire Vinny! Hire a GM, or maybe we try build a football team the right way, build the Oline and actually give Jason Campbell a real chance.

Wow! Thank God you showed up! Nobody mentioned that!

Doooooosh.

Posted by: k_square | October 20, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

That being said they need to fire him now. As in right now and not next week.

Have to agree. They shouldn't leave him twisting in the wind. Give the reins to Jerry Gray and make Sherm Lewis the OC if you must. Leave the man with some dignity.

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall is self centered. Just ask any Falcons fan...The only thing he contributes to the team is picks, becaus e he sure can not tackle(note boot leg right I put my hand on his shoulder but he did not fall down.

Posted by: gawnpostal | October 20, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Gasface: You totally missed the point I was making. A good QB like Ryan or Brees makes everyone around him - RBs, OL - look good. A struggling QB makes everyone around him look bad.

Clearly you've been hitting the bong or you don't watch football or haven't for very long now have you? Eh? Jay Schroeder gets traded to the Oakland Raiders for LT Jim Lachey. He goes from a team with the best offensive line in the NFL leading them to the playoffs 2 years running. Look at his record with the Raiders fool.

Johnny Unitas. Yes, Johnny U goes to the Chargers and within 2 games is replaced by Dan Fouts because the line is so poroous he can't even set up.

Charley Casserly dismantles the vaunted offensive line of the Redskins and look how many times Rypien fumbles the snap ... look at his record that year? He got taken out for the backup who looked even worst.

Want more recent examples: MATT CASSEL?? Who used to play for? New England and led them to the playoffs? What happened to him why can't he make everyone look better? Then there's Jay Cutler.

God what an idiot.

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

That being said I think He wants to win.

Posted by: gawnpostal | October 20, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Forget getting Cowher, Shanahan, Holmgren, or digging up Lombardi. No coach in his right mind will work under a system like the Redskins have. If they do come to DC, they will leave real quick. Washington suffers under the same problem Dallas and Oakland has...meddling owners.

Posted by: scholls3 | October 20, 2009 12:47 AM | Report abuse

the redskins are like a suckers' paradise. they sign these overpriced has-beens like there's no tomorrow...

gee, I wonder who keeps picking these players...

Posted by: joek443 | October 20, 2009 12:48 AM | Report abuse

That being said I think He wants to win.
Posted by: gawnpostal | October 20, 2009

I'll take nine games from Shawn Springs or Champ Bailey over 16 from D'Angelo Hall. Any day.

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

I do not know How to post your comment and then reply to what you are saying. Can you help me out.

Posted by: gawnpostal | October 20, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

David Carr, New York Giants (30)

Someone should give this former 1st rounder another chance ... many believe he has improved significantly.

Posted by: periculum | October 20, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

the first big move of the second Gibbs stint - trade Bailey for Portis.

that's the kinda move a coach would make.. no competent GM would ever make that sort of a trade.

Posted by: joek443 | October 20, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

I do not know How to post your comment and then reply to what you are saying. Can you help me out.

Posted by: gawnpostal | October 20, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Highlight. Copy. Paste.


Just watched the Zorn tear jerker. I'll give him this: he's willing to run through the figurative wall to help this team win. He is the kind of guy who would dive on the hand grenade to save his buddies.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

My thoughts... Hi I am Portis. I Do not have to barely come to training camp, I do not like to play in Pre season games, and um oh.. I think I am not going to practice to much either. Sounds like it's time to move on.

Posted by: gawnpostal | October 20, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

I woundn't give Zorn that much credit. Not that I believe he's a bad guy but what choice does he have now?

if he quits then he won't get the money. Merril Hodge made a comparion on espn earlier today... a similar thing happened to John Fox when he was a DC with the Raders... Fox just walked away from the job and gained more respect... he eventually got a second chance and got the HC job with the Panthers.

Posted by: joek443 | October 20, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

I've said it before and I'll keep repeating it:

Jim Zorn is a total class act. 100% class. Granted, he's an ineffective head coach, but anyone with an ounce of football knowledge knew that going in 2 years ago. This was a man who was on NO ONE'S offensive coordinator radar, much less head coaching radar.

What Dan Snyder is doing to Jim Zorn now is beyond reprehensible. It reeks of the vanilla ice cream incident; the plasma TV incident; the halftime Cowboys game incident.

Ignoring for a moment the wins and losses, the truly unforgivable thing about Dan Snyder is that he has no class, no self respect, and no respect for the people who work for him. The man is a grade A a-hole, and as much as it pains me to see the Redskins players, coaches, and fans suffer, it gives me nothing but warm fuzzies to see Dan Snyder exposed for the jerk that he is.

Every sports fan in America saw Jim Zorn on TV today and what we saw was an emasculated, broken man, all at the hands of a miniature poodle who lucked into money and thinks he has the intelligence to compete with men like Mr. Rooney and Bob Kraft.

The Good Book cautions us against taking pleasure in the misery of others, but I'm fairly certain there's an exception for Daniel Snyder.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 20, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

My thoughts... Hi I am Portis. I Do not have to barely come to training camp, I do not like to play in Pre season games, and um oh.. I think I am not going to practice to much either. Sounds like it's time to move on.

Did i do it right???

Posted by: gawnpostal | October 20, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Well Said Diddy!

I think we have to embrace this opportunity. This thing has to really crash and burn. It can't stay like this forever......can it?

F Snyder!

Posted by: k_square | October 20, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

I think we have to embrace this opportunity. This thing has to really crash and burn. It can't stay like this forever......can it?

F Snyder!

I 100% agree

Posted by: gawnpostal | October 20, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

On Shanahan, anyone else notice that the Broncos are better without him? Even with a QB that no one thought was even close to the guy he replaced.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 20, 2009 1:22 AM | Report abuse

who would of thunk at this time of night?

beeps

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 20, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Yeah and Jay Culter thought has not shown anything. How did a no name quarter back do so well.. Hmmm

Posted by: gawnpostal | October 20, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

ok diregard last statement. That did not make any sense. Too many beers

Posted by: gawnpostal | October 20, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

I do know this. If the skins do not show up to the Eagles game....,,,,,oh it's going to get way worse....way WAY...WAY worse

Posted by: gawnpostal | October 20, 2009 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is a class act...

Boo Hoo.

I was the only one saying that for a year. Now? I've seen too much. It's great to be a class act, but he's just not very smart, at least not about football.

And this whole crap with Collins and Campbell... I think his being stripped of play-calling was Instant Karma. He's being unfair to both, the longer he can't make up his measly mind.

Like I say, we should have fired him at "Maroon and Black."

Think about that. If you were going to mention your new team's colors, would you learn what they were? Or just don't say them?

I mean, the red lights were everywhere.

NO creativity
NO adaptation
NO WC Offense
NO Player development
NO balls
NO Inspiration

How can you say, with your puppy dog face, that you're trying to inspire your team to victory?

You look like somebody just banged your wife in front of you and you weren't sure if you should step in.

Have you seen the look on his face on the sideline?

It says: "We're in Deep Sh!t and I don't know WTF to do"

A head coach in the NFL should NEVER have that look on his face.

It's too many screw ups and not deciding who the QB is, is just one more, and believe me, it wont be the last.

Zorn is nice, feel sorry for him, he's got to go, the sooner the better, I don't even want him around the team or their friends...

Go WEST, young man.
Go install your "system" elsewhere, may I suggest Long Beach Central High School?

Good Luck!

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 20, 2009 1:46 AM | Report abuse

The thing is with Eagles fans they do not give a damn if their team is loosing they winning or whatever. They are going to dog the shi..t out of you. Get it togheter skins if not you are going to get hit in the mouth.. HARD>>>>

Posted by: gawnpostal | October 20, 2009 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Zorntastic

[Zorn-`ta-stik] adj.

1. "The state of being so gracious and, at the same time, inept, which causes those around you to declare you a "class act" while they want you to go as far away as possible... and then take 1 more long step away."

2. As in Football. "The opposite of Fantastic, a new low, a franchise destroying ineptitude and mismanagement."

Zorntastic.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 20, 2009 1:54 AM | Report abuse

* beep beep *
new post

gawnpostal, get your drunk ass over to the new thread... drunk blogging your guts out... brings a tear to my eye.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 1:57 AM | Report abuse

A good friend of mine once told two large Eagles fans to "sit down and shut up, you Philadelphia fagg!ts"

And they both did.

I thought for sure it was gonna be "on."

But the ones that come down, they're the ones with time, tickets, and money to travel, so don't worry too much. Rocky Balboa isn't coming down to visit.

Philadelphia fans are like anybody else, they just hate their own team more than most, but we're catching up to them.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 20, 2009 2:02 AM | Report abuse

You too, Thinker, get thee to the new thread.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 2:05 AM | Report abuse

sorry.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 20, 2009 2:06 AM | Report abuse

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