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Zorn Returns to Fair-Catch Play

Coach Jim Zorn spoke today with Mike Pereira, the NFL's vice president of officiating, about the Redskins' botched punt return in the fourth quarter that resulted in a turnover and led to the Carolina Panthers scoring the go-ahead touchdown in their 20-17 victory Sunday at Bank of America Stadium.

The play, on which punt returner Antwaan Randle El signaled for a fair catch, ended with the Panthers recovering the ball on the Redskins' 12-yard line after Byron Westbrook was blocked into Randle El and the ball hit Westbrook's foot.

"I read the paragraph in the rule book that talks about getting the opportunity to have a fair catch," Zorn said. "It was explained within that paragraph what the problem was.

"If you're an active blocker, and that's the key, or an active rusher, you can actually block that said player into the punt returner as long as there's activity going on, you can't just stand around and get pushed into him. But if you are blocking, and that receiver, even though he's made a fair catch, he can be pushed into."

Zorn challenged the call on the field.

"I could have saved the timeout," Zorn said. "But gosh, it was worth it for me to challenge that one. I mean, that was a key play in the game. I wasn't going to save a timeout for that. It was my duty, in my mind, to challenge that one."

By Jason Reid  |  October 12, 2009; 4:48 PM ET
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MISHEGOSS

Posted by: SkinsInSichuan | October 12, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey Zorn - isn't it your duty to know the rules of the game you moron? This team is unbelievable.

Posted by: MississippiSkinsFan | October 12, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Zorn knows ... that play was his job on the line.

Posted by: periculum | October 12, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I think instead of watching the game this week, I'm just going to take a dump on my coffee table and stare at it for 3 hours.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 12, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

It's still a terrible rule

Posted by: AdamCr | October 12, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

So why didn't Danny Smith have another hissy fit trying to stop Zorn from wasting a timeout? He's the special teams coach so you would think he would know the rules pretty well.

Posted by: will_ga | October 12, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey O-Etrod...

I'm in. I'll bring the beer...

Posted by: EpsteinsMothersDoctor | October 12, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

to think i was looking forward to the start of football season.

Posted by: ccwbambam | October 12, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

this is explanation is laughably absurd. First of all, hey Z man, ur the HEAD COACH. KNOW THE RULEBOOK. Even the announcers knew that an engaged blocker could be pushed into the returner and Z man can't figure it out until the day after? Then he says, "I could have saved the timeout, but gosh it sure was worth it because that was a key play" Just because it was a key play doesnt mean it was the wrong call dumbo. As Steinz pointed out yesterday, Z man throws away timeouts like theyre pennies and having timeouts at the end of the game would have given us a chance to win.

Posted by: mja712 | October 12, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"gosh"? Who talks like that?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn talks like that. Oh, and Jimmy Stewart did too, I think.

Posted by: --swb | October 12, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I personally believe that I look like a, uh, genius next to the, um, U.S. American Ashburn front office, like such as.

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | October 12, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

didnt I read somewhere that D. Smith is one of the top choices to replace Zorn if it is done midseason...and he doesnt know the rule and tell Zorn, dont Challenge??? So we are stupid from top to bottom and our players dont play hard unless they want large contracts...awesome recipe for success

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 12, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

traveshamockery!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | October 12, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I think instead of watching the game this week, I'm just going to take a dump on my coffee table and stare at it for 3 hours.
Posted by: Original_etrod | October 12, 2009 5:01 PM |

A big steaming pile of poop could most likely block better than our O-line. I bet if someone had crapped on Jake Delhomme he'd have gone down quicker than DHall trying to tackle him.

Posted by: will_ga | October 12, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

why am I even surprised, I hope not, but I think the Chiefs are going to beat us and that will be that.

I hope not, we win vs. Chiefs and play hard against the Eagles we can be 4-3 with a bye, we can hope.

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 12, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

zilla, I guess you're reading 'priapic' as turgid, tumescent. I read 'priapic' merely as 'phallic'.

And I was reaching to make a weak joke involving "hard" ...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 4:57 PM |

A truckload of V1agra was hijacked outside of Redskins Park. Nobody has any idea who is responsible but perpetrating such a dastardly deed surely would turn anyone into a hardened criminal.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

"I could have saved the timeout," Zorn said. "But gosh, it was worth it for me to challenge that one. I mean, that was a key play in the game. I wasn't going to save a timeout for that. It was my duty, in my mind, to challenge that one."

and that's why your an idiot and will be fired. I saw it on the second replay, and they had 2 minutes of ref discussion to look at it up top and realize it was a waste of a timeout. Does the rule suck....maybe....was it a big turning point play....sure....but don't burn the timeout for no reason you moron.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 12, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Samuels knew of his condition before this game the bottom line is that after taking that hit he had a "stinger" Samuels had pain throught his back and numbness/tingling to his extremities. Based on the comdition he already has and the reaction to a normal football collision I would say this could be the end or Samuels...

Posted by: BenchCampbell

If he TiVOed "60 Minutes" he could definitely retire. He's 30, has 40-50 years to live, and would probably prefer not to live it paralyzed or in a state of Dementia.

Anyone not moved by that piece. specially that HS kid and John Mackey's condition, has no emotions.

Posted by: TheCork | October 12, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I think instead of watching the game this week, I'm just going to take a dump on my coffee table and stare at it for 3 hours.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 12, 2009 5:01 PM


This is an interesting approach, but I won't be trying it myself. I'm obsessively protective of my coffee table. You can ask my wife.

It's pine. Very soft wood, you know.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

to think i was looking forward to the start of football season.

Posted by: ccwbambam

Rookie mistake bambam. As you know by now most deluded Redskin fans enjoy the offseason more than the actual season.

Posted by: TheCork | October 12, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

if we had a t.o. We could have called a t.o. After del homme ran for the first, and watched 1 more kneel down

Non-issue you might as well review that play it was close if it touched them first we win

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The big problem here is that Zorn is a dangerous combination of not that smart and stubborn.

He should've said, "I didn't know the rule. I shouldn't have challenged. It was my mistake and I won't let it happen again."

Instead we get a lot of blame-shifting and rationalizing. The fact that he was quoted saying the ref "recommended" he challenge is so laughably dumb that I feel sorry for the man. It's embarrassing that Zorn was allowed to utter those words and didn't get hammered by the press. I don't think the refs make suggestions to the coaches. "You know, Coach, I wasn't really paying attention on that last play. Maybe you should challenge my spot."

And just because it was a hugely important turning point in the game, does not mean it was a good idea to challenge the play. That's like saying it was big play and even though the video evidence was conclusive, I decided to challenge anyway just because the only way my team could possible overcome this turn of events is if, somehow, it magically never happened.

The reality was the ball hit Westbrook's foot. That was clear from the first replay. Zorn should know that all the "confusion" over whether a guy is being blocked etc is NOT reviewable under any circumstances. The idea that the ref's would "rehash," as he it put it, that determination was not possible. The man didn't know the punt rules, didn't ask the guy who does, and then he wasn't mentally strong enough to bite the bullet and recognize that there was nothing in the video that could possibly over turn the call on the field.

Posted by: garbageman | October 12, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I read the paragraph in the rule book that talks about getting the opportunity to have a fair catch," Zorn said. "It was explained within that paragraph what the problem was.--RI


Lack of attention to detail kills the Redskins.

In an interview on Redskin.com, D. Hall said in Atlanta they were COACHED to try to steer opponent's blockers into the fair catch receiver.

In Washington, the head coach is looking up the rule AFTER it happened.

Zorn is qualified as a QB coach. Unfortunately he's got three other full time jobs, Play caller, head coach, and trying to convince Snyder to let him survive another week.

Posted by: TheCork | October 12, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is so retarded on this one. What a horrible reason to challenge. If he knew the rules like he's supposed to know, he should've known that it touched Westbrook's leg and he was gonna lose the challenge. How could he say it was his duty??! Your duty is trying to help this team win and being smart about it. That means saving your timeouts!!!! That's why you had ZERO timeouts left with 8 minutes to go. He's horrible at challenges!! And what about the one where he wanted to challenge but the refs said it wouldn't matter cause it'd still be a first down!!! omg we have a moron as our head coach!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | October 12, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Too bad, since this team had 12-4 talent on the roster.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Since when? Where is this 12-4 talent you speak of?

Sorry Z...on offense, there is nobody--sans Cooley, that any top tier team would covet from this team.

They are a relection of their architect...poorly designed, poorly built, and leaking very quickly.

Posted by: ksquare

The 12-4 talent is mostly on the defensive side of the ball -- and is based on the opening day roster. The mgmt paid for an elite defense -- and given that this team was a top 5 defense in 2008, there was no reason not to expect an upgrade to that lofty ranking.

On offense, the team has good WRs in Moss and ARE, 2 Pro Bowl RBs in Sellers and Portis, another Pro Bowler in Cooley. Along the OL, the Skins had adequate talent, but the issue was always going to be durability, not talent. Our best OL is out and our starting RG is done for the year. Campbell, a frequent whipping boy, is somewhere around 10th in the NFL is passer rating. Given the OL he is playing behind, hard to get upset with that.

Yes, there are flaws. We have no #2 WR. But this team is also severely underachieving relative to its talent level.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

anytime you can sacrifice a t.o. To possibly change the outcome of a game, challenge.

Its like a t.o. Anyway

The t.o. Wouldn't have helped unless they used it before the punt to replace Westbrook

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

But yes, it is a HORRIBLE rule. One of the worst rules in the NFL. They need to change it.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 12, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I think instead of watching the game this week, I'm just going to take a dump on my coffee table and stare at it for 3 hours.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 12, 2009 5:01 PM |

Had a close encounter like Richard Dreyfuss?

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Zorn definitely is to blame for these mistakes but how can you fully blame a guy who hasn't even held an offensive coordinator job before, let alone a head coach position?

It all goes back to the crazies running the asylum. They put Zorn in this position and then to top it off, gave him inferior players (at least on offense) to work with. Talk about a death sentence, he never had a chance.

This organization is so F'ed up it's almost unfathomable.

Posted by: Moose33 | October 12, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

on the punt, Zorn could have asked the refs for the rule. He had the TV timeout to ask for an explanation, based on the feedback from his staff watching replays upstairs.

There really was no excuse for Zorn not to know the rule before throwing the flag. The refs are experts and if a coach asks, they explain. Still, Danny Smith should have known the rule.

bottom line, there was adequate time for determining whether a challenge should have been made

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm just waiting to see how someone can figure out a way to blame JC for this one too.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I knew that rule and I haven't been associated with any form of organized football since I played a little kid about 15 years ago. In fact, while watching the game my 18 month old niece completed her first full sentence when she said "Why is Zorn wasting a challenge and a timeout on this?" I was impressed.

Posted by: ChampKind | October 12, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"Gee willikers, I thought time outs had the same power as a handful of magic beans." - Zorn
I'm so sick of this dude and his ineptitude. Of course its not his fault, he was kind of ambushed into becoming the head coach.
Maybe running a two TE shotgun formation with keeping an extra TE in (Yoder) would help JC not get sacked 40 times next Sun. But I doubt Zorn will change ANYTHING.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 12, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Boycott or walk out. I am sorry to keep repeating myself and others, but this is the only way to send a message to $nyder. I understand people don't want to drive all the way to the stadium in traffic and then leave half way through the game. Well if you go to the game, please don't buy anything, or better yet, stay home. I will be staying home and eating my tickets. I have been sick of this for the last seven years. If there is going to be a walk out, I would gladly go and participate. Monday night against the Eagles would bring the ultimate exposure to our displeasure of this sorry ass team, run by a bunch of idiots. If they beat the Chiefs, so what, this team is going nowhere. How can you lose to three winless teams and score 9 points against the Rams at home.

Posted by: TheSmurfs | October 12, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Of note, getting pushed into your punt return guy can't be uncommon. It happened in the Colts/Titans game later in the day.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

focus people we didn't need a T.O. We needed a left tackle or a special teamer that can either block or get out of the way

Time outs? Really?

Westbrook got absolutely slammed into randle el. That is fundamentally bad football, play to the whistle or get ou of the way

Every player and coach did what was required to win until Westbrook got humiliated and ruined the game.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Campbell needs a personal protector. Where is Adam Archuleta when you need him?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Moose33- Definitely. Blame Synder WAYYYYYY more than Zorn. Synder offered him the job, obviously Zorn would accept it. But Zorn is way over his head and he doesn't know how to be a head coach, not his fault. Only Dan Synder would hire someone who has never had head coaching experience, let alone offensive coordinator experience and elevate him to the head coach position. Only our owner would do that..

Posted by: rachel216 | October 12, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"Along the OL, the Skins had adequate talent, but the issue was always going to be durability, not talent".

Adequate? None of the top teams rely upon adequate O Line talent. They have neither talent or depth.

For this offense, it starts and ends with the O Line. A great OL is what enabled the Skins to win Super Bowls with merely adequate QB's.

Probowl RB's? Sellers made it ONCE and now that looks like an aberration. Portis is done appearing or being named to any Probowl's.

Posted by: ksquare | October 12, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

here is something else that is not uncommon, STers knowing where the ball is and getting the heck out of the way OR finishing your blocking assingment(s)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

The 12-4 talent is mostly on the defensive side of the ball ... and given that this team was a top 5 defense in 2008 ... On offense, the team has good WRs in Moss and ARE, 2 Pro Bowl RBs in Sellers and Portis ... Campbell ... is somewhere around 10th in the NFL in passer rating.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 5:25 PM |

Hilarious.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Who cares how Zorn talks?

If he had some depth on the offensive line and could have executed a normal offensive game, the Redskins no doubt win the game.

It's Snyder and Cerrato who are making Zorn look bad and not owning up to it and letting him take the fall for this.

I agree with what Feinstein just said on Washington Post live, the best way we can send a message to Dan Snyder is to start boycotting the games.

Posted by: cannontl | October 12, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

When Coach talks, words he says when talking, the words talked, are always not most to easily to understand he means of what he talked. And seems that the call that he thought challenging would be of worth to challenge in fact, was, in fact, a call in fact correctly made by officials who are to maked calls on such. Zorn and Danny Smith did not know the rule to properly knowed if they should challenge the refs call; it seems legal perfectly to block an active blocker into the returner. It is bad such that neither coach knewed the call was OK as called by the people who make penalty calls during the games that are being played by men running fast.

It also to bad it is Snyderato not to know how to manage the people, process and things of to which needed to be successful in of the business. They hold our decades of fanning for the NFL team in Washington as hostages - they thinks, "thems of the fannings will keep giving money to us no matters if we convert the team into an embarrassment." This 40+ year season ticket holder is boycotting the games with running men and not of selling of my tickets so the bad men of danny and vinny can see more empty seats.

By the way, of course I do not write this way, but felt inspired to do so after reading too many non-sensical quotes from the Skins "braintrust." Danny and Vinny are pushing our loyalty to the limit. And for those like Larry Michaels who call us "haters" - it is quite OK for customers to voice their displeasure. After spending nearly $200,000 on tickets since the early 1960's, it's OK to share our thoughts...we've earned the right. A smart business keeps its pulse on customer feedback...satisfaction should be important to them, but it's clear that is not their priority.

Posted by: dougbalt | October 12, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, I should have made sure I and the players knew the rule so we wouldn't have that occur.

Or Gosh, I should have had a PR back there who would aggressively look to catch and run with the ball instead of FC every punt.

Or Gosh, I should have Danny Smith just rush 10 and go for the block on every punt since ARE is just gonna FC anyway. That way, none of my under coached players would risk touching the ball as they were needlessly blocking for a FC anyway.

Please Please Please Please Shanny stick to your guns and end up in Dallas.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 12, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

whose fault is it?

Snyder-rrato

Whose fault isn't it

Every single player and coach over the let decade

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"Williams, whom Gibbs intended as his eventual replacement as head coach, now runs the resurgent defense in New Orleans. Would he have made a good head coach? At this point, after nine losses in the last 13 Redskins games, perhaps the question is whether he could have made a worse one."

I can't believe I actually agree with something that Boswell wrote. All of the stability and sanity established by St. Joe has disappeared in a season and a half.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I love how people say a team has 12-4 talent as if saying that holds any water.

There is a salary cap, free agency, and parity scheduling. Every team has roughly the same talent.

The 13-3 titans are 0-5
the 12-4 panthers are 1-5
the bengals are what 3-1, or 4-1

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"Along the OL, the Skins had adequate talent, but the issue was always going to be durability, not talent".

Adequate? None of the top teams rely upon adequate O Line talent. They have neither talent or depth.

For this offense, it starts and ends with the O Line. A great OL is what enabled the Skins to win Super Bowls with merely adequate QB's.

Probowl RB's? Sellers made it ONCE and now that looks like an aberration. Portis is done appearing or being named to any Probowl's.

Posted by: ksquare

We're really not disagreeing much here. Our defense is talented enough to be #1 or at least close to it. Clearly, we're not close to our capability.

The OL talent level was good enough to have an average offense -- we had a good offense last year for half the season before they broke down. The problem was always going to be durability.

Top defense + average offense = 12 wins, or thereabouts. Just ask the jints, Steelers or Ravens from 2008.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Boycott or walk out. I am sorry to keep repeating myself and others, but this is the only way to send a message to $nyder. I understand people don't want to drive all the way to the stadium in traffic and then leave half way through the game. Well if you go to the game, please don't buy anything, or better yet, stay home. I will be staying home and eating my tickets. I have been sick of this for the last seven years. If there is going to be a walk out, I would gladly go and participate. Monday night against the Eagles would bring the ultimate exposure to our displeasure of this sorry ass team, run by a bunch of idiots. If they beat the Chiefs, so what, this team is going nowhere. How can you lose to three winless teams and score 9 points against the Rams at home.

Posted by: TheSmurfs

If you don't want the tickets, I'll take em! As pissed as I am I not a Skins fan becuase of Snyder.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

One word for the skins?


Orioles

That's who the skins have become.

Posted by: skinswest | October 12, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

If you don't want the tickets, I'll take em! As pissed as I am I not a Skins fan becuase of Snyder.

Posted by: dcwun

I was a fan of the Skins before he arrived and I'll be a fan of the Skins when he's gone. I can hate the FO, but I have to support my team.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I was a fan of the Skins before he arrived and I'll be a fan of the Skins when he's gone. I can hate the FO, but I have to support my team.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

You can support them without putting cash in Danny's pocket...

Posted by: Moose33 | October 12, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The OL talent level was good enough to have an average offense -- we had a good offense last year for half the season before they broke down. The problem was always going to be durability.

You're talking about last year? The O Line has been a problem for the last 6 years! The 2nd half of last season's collapse magnified this problem.

To not address this obvious problem, either through FA or the draft---when they finally had more than 3 picks for once---is a joke.

Durability is offset by depth.

Posted by: ksquare | October 12, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"But gosh, it was worth it for me to challenge that one. I mean, that was a key play in the game. I wasn't going to save a timeout for that. It was my duty, in my mind, to challenge that one."

By Jason Reid | October 12, 2009; 4:48 PM ET |

What a loser. The only play worth challenging is one where you win the challenge.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 12, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

As you know by now most deluded Redskin fans enjoy the offseason more than the actual season.

Posted by: TheCork | October 12, 2009 5:20 PM

Even Redskin Insider is more enjoyable in the offseason.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 12, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The only thing a boycott would accomplish is the los angeles redskins

Is that what you want?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't want Snyder to sell the team...I just want him to hire a quality GM...

The devil you know is always better than the one you don't.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Does the media ever seriously challenge Zorn? I remember them being way harsher to Gibbs. When he gave that explanation I expected someone to give him a harsh, incredulous explanation of how stupid his logic was. I guess Sonny is the only one willing to stir something up? Am I the only one enraged by the lack of tough questions?

Posted by: bmd5 | October 12, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

So I was listening to the LaVar show on the way home, and Rick Snider of the DC Examiner (who has covered the team since 1983) said that his "sources" on the team have John Gruden as the primary candidate on Snyder's short list. He also said it is believed that Gruden would be fine with the way the current FO structure. Food for thought.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Does the media ever seriously challenge Zorn? I remember them being way harsher to Gibbs. When he gave that explanation I expected someone to give him a harsh, incredulous explanation of how stupid his logic was. I guess Sonny is the only one willing to stir something up? Am I the only one enraged by the lack of tough questions?

Posted by: bmd5

I'm curious as to what tough questions you have in mind. Perhaps this one "Coach Zorn, don't you feel like Mr Snyder, the guy that pays your paycheck, should fire Mr Cerrato for not bringing in more quality offensive linemen in the trade, via trade and free agency?"

I mean, I'd love to have someone ask that question and have Zorn answer it with what he's thinking on the inside ... but what kind of answer would you expect?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge, "hire a quality GM..." and get the hell out of the way, and stay the hell out of the way.

The Squire famously got involved only to break ties between his coach and GM, like the Vice President in the Senate, only more footbally. (Though I guess Gerald Ford was sort of footbally, and he was the Vice President for a while.)

For a guy who claims to revere the Skins' glory years, there's another example of how poorly Snyder has done in working to recapture that glory.

Not that you have to (or can) do everything exactly the same, but good grief, you have an example of a terrifically effective owner right in front of the nose on your face in JKC -- just as you have an example of a super duper offensive line that dominated for a decade, turned over personnel when it needed to and was the cornerstone of three title teams, or, say, an example of a front office structure featuring a real general manager who knows what the hell he's doing -- and you just decide that, nope, I know better, I'm Dan freakin' Snyder, I built that billion-dollar business with my bare hands and one pair of hand-me-down suspenders, by golly, you can kiss my grits, I KNOW how to make a championship football team!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

There is a salary cap, free agency, and parity scheduling.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 5:44 PM

The first two are correct, but the third is wrong. Only two games per team are the result of your record the year before.

For instance, next year we play the NFC North and the AFC South teams. That's 8 games. Then the 6 divisional games. How we finish in our division will decide who we play in the NFC West and South.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 12, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Another loser whose SB win has long since lost its luster. Include Holm, Shan and Bill in that group. Dungy would be a good choice. But I doubt seriously if he would take the job. Ditto Cow.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Dre Bly, she so fly, doing his "Miss Thang" Deion strut in celebration of the Gay march Sunday in San Francisco..Or maybe it was the upcoming "Bi" week..hysteric..

Posted by: frak | October 12, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I was a fan of the Skins before he arrived and I'll be a fan of the Skins when he's gone. I can hate the FO, but I have to support my team.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

You can support them without putting cash in Danny's pocket...

Posted by: Moose33 |

It's about the team and not about Snyder. He's made some horrible decisions, but he does want to win. He doesn't know how yet, but he does want to. Despite his terrible decision making I can't compare him to a money grubbing owner like Donald Sterling of the Clippers who is ONLY concerned with showing a profit and rarely spends a dime. Snyder needs a football person not named Vinny to help this franchise.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Interesting on Gruden. He managed to take a team owned by Al Davis to the Super Bowl. Does/did the Raider have a GM or does Davis make most of the personnel decisions? (I know that he makes some of the wacky coaching decisions.)

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

in seriously looking at the front office, its not all bad. What is missing is a crucial check and balance. Specifically, a HC who can stand up for what this team needs. A strong HC with political clout would probably have gone with Orakpo as our top pick. But there would have been several OL picked in the subsequent rounds ... perhaps even a trade to get a higher pick. No doubt, there would have been many more OL picked in recent years. And Fred Davis would have never been selected because we didn't need to waste a #2 pick on a back-up TE.

Zorn has no clout and as a result, there is an absence of checks and balances -- that is a huge part of the problem.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I actually want Gruden or Cowher.

Gruden knows the WCO... if at all possible, I would want to keep the same scheme to remove the hurdle of having to restart AGAIN from jump street.... with an O'line that can run block and pass protect.

Leadership, game management, and proper play calling is what we lack in our current HC.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 12, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Nate...

To me Snyder is at a crossroads. He can take a look at this team over the years and see what he has...a below .500 club, and really do some consulting on how to fix it.

From what I can tell about Snyder ove rthe years, he always thinks he's one player away. There is so much wrong with the organization and the history or poor moves. Personnaly,I think Gibbs 2.0 damaged this organization more than people think.

I think you have to fire Zorn now...you know he's gonna do it later, but if you do it know, everyone's on notice that they're playing for the future.

I think Snyder would cede full control if he were to lure one of the top coaches out there.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Redskins football....its CRAP-TASTIC!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 12, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

So I was listening to the LaVar show on the way home, and Rick Snider of the DC Examiner (who has covered the team since 1983) said that his "sources" on the team have John Gruden as the primary candidate on Snyder's short list. He also said it is believed that Gruden would be fine with the way the current FO structure. Food for thought.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 6:02 PM


It doesn't matter who you bring in as head coach, if it results in keeping the status quo in the front office, it's going to yield the same result.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

suzannepdc from what Snider said, Davis is very hands on, to the point of showing the coach up. For example, one of the things former Raiders coaches would tell the media is that Davis knows football so well, that when the team is f-ing up, he'd call the coach in and review the game tapes with them.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

No one can save the Redskins, even good coach, the problem lies elsewhere. As Champ Bailey said before he was traded,
"How can you play football, when the owner treats it like fantasy football" That's why
Champ Bailey will be one of my favorite Skins player.

Posted by: madalao | October 12, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

saltine that is what parity scheduling is.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Washington Obamas Offer Stimulus Program to Underperforming Teams

Dateline: Washington, D.C.

After having spent near record dollars on a team that was aiming high in spirit, the Washington Obamas have instead offered a Stimulus Program to the NFL bottom feeders.

According to Czar Czar Bank, Vinnie Cerrato of the Washington Obamas has indicated that any winless team the Obamas play will be given their first victory. We feel we should give back to the community and our fans deserve no less than the lowest performance possible.

Asked why the Obamas didn't allow the Rams to win their first game, Czar Czar Bank noted that "we gave them every opportunity to seize the game and the refused our offer. We only scored field goals and all they had to do was to add one of their own."

According to the business model of the Obamas, the Kansas City Chiefs are truly needy of a victory and it is so unfair that the Obamas have two victories while the Chiefs have been denied their one for the year.

"We'll do whatever is possible to make sure the Obamas rise up to this occasion and give the Chiefs their victory!" said Czar Czar Bank. "I've built this team to be the Zenith of mediocrity and I think we are fulfilling our mission to bring misery to as many Obama fans as possible!"

There is no word yet if the Obamas will change their mascot to the Nobel Prize and if they'll change their team colors.

Posted by: laserwizard | October 12, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Nate es en fuego.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 12, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I think Snyder would cede full control if he were to lure one of the top coaches out there.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

**************************
I'm not so sure about that. I think Gibbs was a pretty amazing lure that Danny got, but he never gave him full reigns. Perhaps he has matured in the last few years, I can hope, but I am not that hopeful.

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

omg we have a moron as our head coach!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | October 12, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

You're only just figuring this out. I knew this a number of weeks ago; it's also why I haven't watched a single game after the Gints game - save my heart, adrenal glands, MIND, etc.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 12, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I think Snyder would cede full control if he were to lure one of the top coaches out there.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 6:13 PM

He did that with Marty, and was so anxious to "get back in" on the decision making, that he paid Marty $7.5 mil to go away.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 12, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who you bring in as head coach, if it results in keeping the status quo in the front office, it's going to yield the same result.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 6:15 PM

I feel the same way, but it'll be years before Snyder head down that road again. Gruden does have the experience in working with a hands on owner, he loves vet FA, and he's a good of a play caller.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

For instance, next year we play the NFC North and the AFC South teams. That's 8 games. Then the 6 divisional games. How we finish in our division will decide who we play in the NFC West and South.

Looks like we are drawing a tight bead on Tampa and St Louis again.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 12, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

2 games is parity scheduling?

The goal of parity scheduling would be for every team to have a .500 record. When in fact, the parity part of it accounts for 2 out of 16 games. The other 14 are known for years on end unless they reconfigure the divisions again or go to 18 game schedules.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 12, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Was just reviewing the Dan Snyder page on the Wikipedia to see if that delightful addition had been removed (sadly, it has), and I saw this:

"Snyder currently owns expansion rights to an Arena Football League team for the Washington, D.C. market, however no timetable have been announced for creating an AFL team there."


Well, there you go! We rename the Redskins the Washington Ringers, change leagues, and D-O-M-I-N-A-T-E!

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Does the media ever seriously challenge Zorn? I remember them being way harsher to Gibbs. When he gave that explanation I expected someone to give him a harsh, incredulous explanation of how stupid his logic was. I guess Sonny is the only one willing to stir something up? Am I the only one enraged by the lack of tough questions?

Posted by: bmd5 | October 12, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me bmd5? Whenever Gibbs did anything beyond stupid he admitted it. There was no controversy.

Not only that, but when every single media outlet is stating how Zorn doesn't have the goods, what controversy is there when Zorn proves that he's working with less than 1/2 of an amoeba's brain.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 12, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Suzanne,

He'd have too...The problem with Gibbs is that he was never good at personnel. That's why Bobby Bethard was there.

Snyder HAS to see that this team is dysfunctional from the top down.

I think if he brings in a HOF coach and runs him outta here in a year or two, then he truly is the Al Davis of the east.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

If it makes anyone feel any better, they are just as happy over at the Dallas Morning News. While it's not much, it's always good to see turmoil over there.

One of the first posts I read was wanting Cowher or Gruden, so I say that Jerry and Danny have a cage match for who gets first choice.

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I actually want Gruden or Cowher.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 12, 2009 6:12 PM |

Gru jams players up. His teams quit on him. Cow is going to take the Panter HC job. He will be able to walk to work.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Zorn does not know how to correct this sinking ship called the redskins because he has never been the captain of a ship. He is a QB coach and IMO 80%-90% of his time during practice is devoted to working with the QBs. Based on the QB play so far, he is not a very good QB coach either. So next week he will bring the same old unprepared players to FEDEX and will get the same old piss poor results. MEDIUM BS

Posted by: kingpenn1 | October 12, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Danny is a steaming pile...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I say that Jerry and Danny have a cage match for who gets first choice.

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2009 6:24 PM

They'll used the rich man's cage match: an auction.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 12, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Was just reviewing the Dan Snyder page on the Wikipedia to see if that delightful addition had been removed ...

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 6:20 PM |

Did you put it up? They have ways of tracking this back to the originator. If they are willing to sue grannies over luxury box contracts ...

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge, "hire a quality GM..." and get the hell out of the way, and stay the hell out of the way.

The Squire famously got involved only to break ties between his coach and GM, like the Vice President in the Senate, only more footbally. (Though I guess Gerald Ford was sort of footbally, and he was the Vice President for a while.)


Posted by: NateinthePDX

I recall the coach saying (I forget if it was Zorn or Gibbs) that after the game plan is prepared, they present it to Danny.

I can justify this because the owner should want to understand his business, and have insight into the way his coaches think and plan. Still, some part of me was left cold by the idea that Danny might think he was helpful in developing game strategy.

Of course ... if it was me as the owner, I'd be meddling all over the place ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Watching CSN's Redskins Nation on a slight DVR delay...

Wow, this is the most negative I've seen Larry Michael. Things really are bad, aren't they?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 12, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Did you put it up? They have ways of tracking this back to the originator. If they are willing to sue grannies over luxury box contracts ...

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 6:31 PM


No.

If I'd done it, it wouldn't have been riddled with punctuation and capitalization errors.

Unless, of course, I was trying to throw them off the scent.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

So next week he will bring the same old unprepared players to FEDEX and will get the same old piss poor results. MEDIUM BS

Posted by: kingpenn1 | October 12, 2009 6:29 PM |

Dude is resigned to his fate. Fretting about the "unfair" fair-catch play. Heh, heh.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Lets see, corners can't cover man to man, no real SS except maybe Landry whos playing FS, a rookie SS LB who was converted from DE, another iffy OLB, a "force" at DT that only plays 30% of the time, a 35 year old DE, now injured, the other DE that has only one or two good games a year, etc. etc. Yeah sure, this is a #1 defense or nearly so.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | October 12, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, in what universe are special teams players just standing around not actively blocking anyone?

So the moral is, if someone pushes you during a punt return, don't push back or the other team has carte blanche to do whatever they want??!!!

The problem there is the interperetation of the rule. The rule is meant to allow players to fair catch the ball without being interfered with. The refs used a technicality to cover themselves for not realizing what had happened.

IT IS CALLED A FAIR CATCH!! Bottom line, He was not given a fair opportunity to catch it.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | October 12, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

My other take on this situation was that Zorn was doomed from the start.

Zorn took this job with a QB he knows doesn't fit his system. The only reason I want to see Collins is to see how he can manage the system and use the personnel on this team.

I wonder if Collins would be able to find Kelly, Thomas, and Davis consistently.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

No sense haggling over one play that was called correctly by the officials. If you're going to fuss over play calling, why not review the dozens of dumb calls that Zoron the Moron had made since arriving here? The only call I want to hear from this clown is one to the airline ticket office to book the first available jet that'll get his sorry arse outta here!

Posted by: Vic1 | October 12, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

As a former skins fan (since 66) I left with the firing of Marty, came back with the hiring of Gibbs, and left again with the hiring of Zorn, I am LMAO.

People get what they rate and Dan Snyder is getting his. Don't believe what you read Gibbs left this organization because of Vinny and Dan and he left it in good shape.

Gregg Williams and the Saints are going to Cream the Redskins and Dan, Vinny and Zorn will be lucky if they get one more win this year.

There are only two ways the Redskins will win (no matter who coaches) 1) If Dan sells the team and 2) If Dan fires Vinny and hires someone like Bill Parcells and then gets completely out of football!

How sad.

Posted by: chargersix | October 12, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

JesusFreakKaren- i was being sarcastic.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 12, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it cost us the game, but that rule is very strange. It seems that if you take an active part in the play you can be slammed into the punt returner. However, if you just stand there with your thumb in your @ss, you get rewarded.

Posted by: webman2 | October 12, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Collins would be able to find Kelly, Thomas, and Davis consistently.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 6:38 PM |

It might be worth trying. The team is going to be blowed up and this might shed some light on whether they are worth keeping. I doubt it but you never know for sure.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Chargersix...

You sound like a "fair weather" fan.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

as much as i hate to admit this but the cowgirls 3rd running back is much better than the skins starting RB. so fuc$ing sad

Posted by: kingpenn1 | October 12, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

He's horrible at challenges!! And what about the one where he wanted to challenge but the refs said it wouldn't matter cause it'd still be a first down!!! omg we have a moron as our head coach!!!

Posted by: rachel216

OMG we have morons in the FO, the players, and the coach too... WTF! Of course it's all our fault for booing said players.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 12, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Chargersix...

You sound like a "fair weather" fan.

Posted by: rickyroge

He also sounds right unfortunately.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 12, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Chargersix...

You sound like a "fair weather" fan.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 6:47 PM


Second that.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 12, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I think instead of watching the game this week, I'm just going to take a dump on my coffee table and stare at it for 3 hours.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 12, 2009 5:01 PM

funniest post of the day.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 12, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

the redskins lost because they suck, not because the coach made the correct challenge...stupid blog donks

Posted by: BMACattack | October 12, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

"I'm curious as to what tough questions you have in mind. Perhaps this one "Coach Zorn, don't you feel like Mr Snyder, the guy that pays your paycheck, should fire Mr Cerrato for not bringing in more quality offensive linemen in the trade, via trade and free agency?"

I mean, I'd love to have someone ask that question and have Zorn answer it with what he's thinking on the inside ... but what kind of answer would you expect?"

Actually, a really tough question about his egregious disregard for timeouts game in and game out would be nice. Or maybe something challenging him for not knowing the rules perhaps?

I'm not excusing the front office; the offensive talent Zorn has been provided is terrible. But there are certain aspects of the game within his control that he seems to either not care about fixing, or is just so aloof that he's unable to do so.

I'm talking about asking tough questions, not just softballs and then reporting about how the guy is going to be fired b/c the front office structure sucks.

Posted by: bmd5 | October 12, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Well, 1965, it's totally unfair to put all the fault on the booing fans... don't forget the depredations of the vicious, nasty media.

On the punt return shabingus, I wasn't watching, but isn't there supposed to be a lot of shouting and so forth when fair catch is called? Specifically so the friendly dudes with their backs to the returner ease off and don't run into or get pushed into the returner? Like, to avoid this very thing that happened with Tryon? Isn't this one of the things you just do out there?

It's not like ARE doesn't have a metric ton of experience calling fair catches. He's as good a fair catch man as you'll ever find. He is to the fair catch what Todd Collins is to clipboard holding. If you had one fair catch to make, one punt that you absolutely did not want to be returned from the spot where it came down no matter what, you could not find a better person than ARE for that.

So was someone supposed to be shouting his head off that it was a fair catch and stay the hell back? Someone other than Danny Smith, I mean?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Collins would be able to find Kelly, Thomas, and Davis consistently.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 6:38 PM |

It might be worth trying. The team is going to be blowed up and this might shed some light on whether they are worth keeping. I doubt it but you never know for sure.

Posted by: FartezDudmore

Fix what's terribly broken and it isn't the QB. Collins would be on life support after one quarter if he played behind this line. I knew it would only be a matter of time before someone found a way to blame JC for the loss.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Got a chance to watch the TiVo on that Ravens-Cincy game -- the Ravens looked worse than I'd expected. Particularly Flacco. Take away that 48 yard Ray Rice TD, which was frankly all Rice's doing, and Flacco averaged 6.57 yards a reception, compared to Carson Palmer at 15.05 yards per. Add in two INTs and the fact that the only other TD was scored by Ed Reed and you have a very dismal performance in front of a rabid home crowd.

That's the first time I've seen the Ravens look really bad in quite a while (something Skins fans are regrettably accustomed to).

Posted by: Samson151 | October 12, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

as much as i hate to admit this but the cowgirls 3rd running back is much better than the skins starting RB. so fuc$ing sad
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Portis 72 carries.....281 yards (starter)
Choice 44 carries.....225 yards (3rd back)
Portis has 28 more carries 56 more yards than the 3rd string cowgirl RB. Why is Portis still the starter? Because Zorn does not have the balls to bench his slow,unproductive as$ and play Mason, Betts or Anthony Aldridge

Posted by: kingpenn1 | October 12, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

"t's not like ARE doesn't have a metric ton of experience calling fair catches. He's as good a fair catch man as you'll ever find. He is to the fair catch what Todd Collins is to clipboard holding. If you had one fair catch to make, one punt that you absolutely did not want to be returned from the spot where it came down no matter what, you could not find a better person than ARE for that."

Fair to say ARE leads the league in average per not-returned?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 12, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

keep drinking that snyder kool-aid and keep buying those tqacky jerseys etc... Keep going to the "fan appreciation days". He knows the fan base is loyal to a fault.
The free agents that want to get paid come here, have for a decade now. They put their paydays ahead of team. The coaches that would come here and continue under the current regime and set-up aren't any better. I'd take a big payday to put up with the moronic questions posed by the media too.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 12, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey Zoron, didn't you have your guys upstairs looking at whether the ball hit your guy first. This is just laughable. Ok, so Zoron explained the rule book to us and he was wrong.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 12, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

as much as i hate to admit this but the cowgirls 3rd running back is much better than the skins starting RB. so fuc$ing sad
=================
Portis 72 carries.....281 yards (starter)
Choice 44 carries.....225 yards (3rd back)
Portis has 28 more carries 56 more yards than the 3rd string cowgirl RB. Why is Portis still the starter? Because Zorn does not have the balls to bench his slow,unproductive as$ and play Mason, Betts or Anthony Aldridge

Posted by: kingpenn1

You are kidding right? Jim Brown could be the Skins RB and he'd only be slightly better than CP running behind this line.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

dcwun...

Our O-line is average at best when all healthy, but JC is not the answer. We couldn't get anyone to bite on a trade for him.

Jason Campbell is a marginal starting QB.

Also...Clinton Portis' best days are behind him.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

You are kidding right? Jim Brown could be the Skins RB and he'd only be slightly better than CP running behind this line.

Posted by: dcwun

how about Barry Sanders?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 12, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

You are kidding right? Jim Brown could be the Skins RB and he'd only be slightly better than CP running behind this line.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 7:12 PM
----it is what it is....the o line is bad but portis is slow and a quicker faster back will be much more effective than (running with his head to the ground) portis

Posted by: kingpenn1 | October 12, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Nate, re: yelling on punts, yes, there's supposed to be yelling.

You yell "Peter! Peter!" to tell your players to get out of the ball's vicinity.

Why "Peter," I don't know.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

yes, yelling on returns is common. I have wondered why all those calling for Zorns' head haven't been calling for Danny Smiths' or Blaches' as they all have been miserable if held to the same standard. Don't point to stats about the D when they gave up the lead to the previously winless Panthers, a 98-yard TD drive against the Lions etc.. Not like they've played anyone really strong except the Giants in week one.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 12, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

dcwun...

Our O-line is average at best when all healthy, but JC is not the answer. We couldn't get anyone to bite on a trade for him.

Jason Campbell is a marginal starting QB.

Also...Clinton Portis' best days are behind him.

Posted by: rickyroge
So, we blow it up and continue the search for a "franchise QB" next year. We've won championships with marginal QBs and JC is capable. The O-line is where it starts and ends. You have to put a QB in a position to be successful. Merril Hodge said it best that the playcalling of Zorn is terrible. WRs aren't getting open. Its easy to look at the QB but he's not the problem here. Is he great? NO, but he is capable of being as good as anyone we've had here in the last 25 years.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

You are kidding right? Jim Brown could be the Skins RB and he'd only be slightly better than CP running behind this line.

Posted by: dcwun

how about Barry Sanders?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan

Slightly better than Brown.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Collins would be able to find Kelly, Thomas, and Davis consistently.

Posted by: rickyroge

Campbell had 6 incomplete passes all day and one was the drop by Thomas. He's completing 2/3 of his throws. He's finding the open guys well enough.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Merril Hodge said it best that the playcalling of Zorn is terrible. WRs aren't getting open. Its easy to look at the QB but he's not the problem here. Is he great? NO, but he is capable of being as good as anyone we've had here in the last 25 years.

Posted by: dcwun |

Well, to give the other side, JC, who actaully plays on the team unlike Hoge said it's not the coaches play calling, rather it's the players failure to execute those plays. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 12, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

The defense has had us in every single game. Heck, without the defense yesterday, we score a whopping 3 points.

This defense plus even an average offense = 4-1 or 5-0.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

You are kidding right? Jim Brown could be the Skins RB and he'd only be slightly better than CP running behind this line.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 7:12 PM
----it is what it is....the o line is bad but portis is slow and a quicker faster back will be much more effective than (running with his head to the ground) portis

Posted by: kingpenn1

Adrian Peterson is going no where running behind that group of O-Lineman. Heyer getting blown 4 yards deep for the safety is that line in a nutshell.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I have wondered why all those calling for Zorns' head haven't been calling for Danny Smiths' or Blaches' as they all have been miserable if held to the same standard.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 12, 2009 7:23 PM |

Hey, they all suck and they all will be gone after the season is over. Don't waste your time quibbling over one head vs another.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"Peter! Peter!"

zilla, you're killing me with the d!ck jokes today.

Har de har har :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

snyders problem id he is a fan... He wants to win as badly if not worse than the rest of us. Just pay the bills Danny leave zorn as coach and try to talk holmgren into being yout GM he knows football and would work WITH zorn not against him

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | October 12, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

True Fart.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 12, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Well, to give the other side, JC, who actaully plays on the team unlike Hoge said it's not the coaches play calling, rather it's the players failure to execute those plays. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan

C'mon my man. What do you expect JC to say? Coaches are responsible for ensuring their players execute. 85% playcalling and 15% execution.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Adrian Peterson is going no where running behind that group of O-Lineman. Heyer getting blown 4 yards deep for the safety is that line in a nutshell.

Posted by: dcwun |
=========
update stats:....A. Peterson has 99 carries for 481 yards.....Clinton has 91 carries for 338 yards. Peterson has 8 more carries and 143 more yards than CP...shall we continue?????

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 12, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Adrian Peterson is going no where running behind that group of O-Lineman. Heyer getting blown 4 yards deep for the safety is that line in a nutshell.

Posted by: dcwun |
=========
update stats:....A. Peterson has 99 carries for 481 yards.....Clinton has 91 carries for 338 yards. Peterson has 8 more carries and 143 more yards than CP...shall we continue?????

Posted by: pennstate1

He has one of the best lines in football! Would he do this behind the Skins line was the question. You know what the answer is, heck no.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

By my count, Campbell dropped back 31 times.

Penalty on us 1
Penalty on them 1
Sack 5
QB Run 1
incomplete: 6
Complete: 17

6 of his 31 dropbacks, or roughly 20% of them, resulted in a loss, via sack or penalty. 18 times, roughly 60% resulted in completions or a defensive penalty. The other 20% were incomplete or a Campbell run.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pennstate1

He has one of the best lines in football! Would he do this behind the Skins line was the question. You know what the answer is, heck no.
Posted by: dcwun
====Adrian Peterson is going no where running behind that group of O-Lineman. Heyer getting blown 4 yards deep for the safety is that line in a nutshell.
Posted by: dcwun
=== Is this a contradiction or is this the "Redskin two step"

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 12, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

This defense plus even an average offense = 4-1 or 5-0.

Posted by: freakzilla

I agree, and the defense really isn't playing nearly as well as it can.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

"Well Gosh Golly Gee Guy's!"......I can't take it any more!!! I just can't F*&%ing take it......

Posted by: jjakubek | October 12, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

My take:

Marty Shott. should of never been fired and sent packing. At least each year we would be in contention for the playoffs.

Next year or better yet there will be no Zorn coaching our team after the bye. At least if we are gonna loose more games at least the players can learn the new Coaches offense this year. My take is we see either an internal Coach step up to the reins or SHANAHAN and Co. come in!

New Coach: What I'd like to see-

GRUDEN or,
SHANAHAN & Co.or,
Holmgren (Certainly not my first pick)
I do not think Bill COWHER will even sniff DC

Next year there will be "NO" JC throwing the football for the 'Skins - IMHO we will see either a trade for Michael Vick, "or get this", DONAVAN McNabb in a "BLOCKBUSTER" Trade! WE know how much SNYDER and VINNEY love these things/Trades - LOL - YES! Starnger things have happened but if we had either of them we would be winning - JC makes really slow and methodical choices on the field - Hell take FAVRE for instance, could he squeeze a few balls into Devin Thomas or Malcom Kkelly? I think SO! and they would look better than they do now!

That's my take now - I pay for Sunday Ticket every year to see my favorite team play here on the West Coast and will continue to. But I have yet to purchase anything for myself in the way of Redskins Products - that hurts man!

Will chime in more later!

Thanks,Matt (West Coast 'Skins Fan)

Posted by: madmatt94711 | October 12, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

He has one of the best lines in football! Would he do this behind the Skins line was the question. You know what the answer is, heck no.
Posted by: dcwun
====Adrian Peterson is going no where running behind that group of O-Lineman. Heyer getting blown 4 yards deep for the safety is that line in a nutshell.
Posted by: dcwun
=== Is this a contradiction or is this the "Redskin two step"

Posted by: pennstate1

No two step. You obviously didn't interpret the question correctly.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could have thrown a red flag when Vinny and Danny decided to hire Zorn.

Posted by: clark202 | October 12, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

10 mil is 10 mil Zorn is set.....we r f ed... but he is set as well as a dozen other non-combatants, on this team the NFL should file suit for fraud... this team is play acting and collecting.....snyder, cerratto... should be banished from FOOTBALL....4 ever.. so sad...so bad... they're dead... my beloved SKINS

Posted by: travmanf | October 12, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse


One last bit on Zorn's possible replacement. I'm going to throw out a dark horse Brian Billick. He wanted to interview for the job when Gibbs left. Also by my count he's done three redskins game over the last 2 years; which should give him insight to some of the personnel issues as he has had an opportunity to interview and research the team over the years. Now, he's not an offensive guru, but he's cheaper than the and would probably work under the current FO structure.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

After a bye week for Zeke, its time to return. This week, its short, but not sweet.

Some have accused this Redskins team of not having an identity. Not true.

The Gibbs 1.0 era is summarized by one iconic image --John Riggins steamrolling a helpless Miami defender on his way to the game clinching TD in the Super Bowl.

In the Dan Snyder era, the team's identity can also be summarized by one image. A less iconic image, but ironically, somewhat similar. It comes from this week's game vs Carolina. It is the image of aging QB Jake Delhomme carrying our high priced CB, DeAngelo Hall 6 yards, just enough to get the game clinching 1st down.

The Dan Snyder era, has an identity. And it is this: Our competitor with modest talent using grit and determination to beat our big money defender on the game's most crucial play.

Put that on a poster and hang it in front of Snyder's office. Because that IS the identity of the Dan Snyder era.

And that is this week's ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as usual, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

You can fire Zorn, you can fire JC, you can fire the whole phukin' o line, it won't matter one bit until Danny gets his stinkin' mitts outta the business of football. Danny massages Al Davis's taint.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Any way Danny boy could steal singletary? Man, I like the way he runs things!!!! The results are showing too!

Posted by: Lacantwrite | October 12, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Zorn never had a chance. Snyder didn't want this dude. Everyone had a fit over fossel so he went with zorn. Snyder really wanted a big name coach, but none of them were willing to coach this year........this is all apart of snyders plan. But he has got to get rid of vinny, and I think that will happen if a big name coach comes to town......we can only hope

Posted by: drumer1972 | October 12, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Reid,
Hello. Are you there? We already knew what Zorn said about the Westbrook footgate incident. Are you reporting or rehashing? Give us something new, please.

Posted by: getitritegov | October 12, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder, a know-it-all "I made a $billion" because I am smarter than you creepy critics" loser who apparently doesn't realize that he has become a national joke in the sports world. No doubt his motives in trying to make the Redskins a success were sincere but the glib egomania, access to other people's money, and tribal preferences and loyalties that made him a success in the business world haven't worked in the sports world. As one sportswriter noted, it is as if Snyder was playing the Redskins organization in a fantasy football pool. The Redskins are Snyder's toy as he lives out his Alice in Wonderland fantasies.

Snyder has ruined the Redskins organization and obviously is determined to continue to ride it further into the ground thinking he, personally, can fix it. I understand Snyder is a rather young fellow among major league sports owners. Considering what he has accomplished so far, can you imagine what he and the Redskins organization will be like when he is as old as Al Davis?

I became a Redskins fan in the 1950's when they had players like Eddie LeBaron, Joe Walton, and Don Bosseler. I cheered and moaned through weekly games (at that time each team had its own network if it one at all) as the picture on the tv from a far distant station snowed in and out, often as Johnny Unitas drove the Baltimore Colts to another late touchdown to beat us once again. I subsequently lived in Virginia for twenty years and watched, and rooted for, the Redskins every week through good and bad, and then experienced the joy of those fantastic Joe Gibbs years, never wavering in my loyalty.

I am wavering now, thank you Dan Snyder, but still hold on. I had to search to find an off-the-beaten-path sports bar where, if I get there before most others I can commandeer a large screen HDTV to watch the shell of a team perform today. If one goes to a mainstream sports bar expecting to see the Redskins game, one must be prepared to get a crick in their neck staring up at a 19" tv hanging from a distant part of the ceiling while the Sunday crowd watches the Steelers or Giants on the large wall screens.

Such is the status today of a Redskins team and a once proud organization. I don't like it but I can take losing. As a Skins' fan through thick and thin for so many years, I became had to learn to live with that. But, I can't take embarrassment, disrespect, and ridicule Dan Snyder and that is what we fans have to cope with now. Do everyone a favor. Hire someone to hire someone to hire someone (at least six degrees of separation required) who knows something about pro football, then come to the stadium on Sundays, sign the paychecks, then sit down and shut up. If you are lucky, in a few years people might start referring to you as something other than a clown and the Redskins could again be what we want them to be.

Posted by: Lazarus40 | October 12, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge
So, we blow it up and continue the search for a "franchise QB" next year. We've won championships with marginal QBs and JC is capable. The O-line is where it starts and ends. You have to put a QB in a position to be successful. Merril Hodge said it best that the playcalling of Zorn is terrible. WRs aren't getting open. Its easy to look at the QB but he's not the problem here. Is he great? NO, but he is capable of being as good as anyone we've had here in the last 25 years.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

dcwun...

I still challenge your theory...I have yet to hear one respectable NFL person say that Campbell is a starting QB. Jimmy Johnson said he wasn't championship material...other GM's say he's a backup at best. No...it's not all his fault.

JC apologists quote his stats, but what has he won? He can throw the ball, but doesn't make it happen on the field and it's a cross between a coach and a player in mismatched systems.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

We should have known the Zorn hire was going to be bad. Who could ever forget his "maroon and black" comment. Who takes a job and doesn't even know the new team's colors? Vinny and Snyder are collectively responsible for this disaster!

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Does the media ever seriously challenge Zorn? I remember them being way harsher to Gibbs. When he gave that explanation I expected someone to give him a harsh, incredulous explanation of how stupid his logic was. I guess Sonny is the only one willing to stir something up? Am I the only one enraged by the lack of tough questions?

Posted by: bmd5 | October 12, 2009 6:00 PM

Good question. My sense is that reporters love Zorn because he is so open with his answers, generous with his time, and he seems like a genuinely nice guy. I know Reid talks about that a lot, anyway. Seems like a lot of reporters feel that Zorn is a victim of circumstance in that he has been put into a no-win situation by Snyder and Ceratto...hard not to agree with that, in my opinion.

But that still shouldn't stop the tough questions when it comes to his questionable coaching calls, I agree.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 12, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Steve Young: Comb your hair, dude! Yeesh!

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

still challenge your theory...I have yet to hear one respectable NFL person say that Campbell is a starting QB. Jimmy Johnson said he wasn't championship material...other GM's say he's a backup at best. No...it's not all his fault.

JC apologists quote his stats, but what has he won? He can throw the ball, but doesn't make it happen on the field and it's a cross between a coach and a player in mismatched systems.

Posted by: rickyroge

I agree to a point that he's a bad fit in this West Coast garbage. As far as what has he won? His record is just as good as Jay Cutler's. O-Line is the issue. By no means am I saying Campbell is great but if Joe Montana was back there, he'd look average.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

It all come down to this, you ask a chef (Zorn) to make a five story wedding cake (Lombardi Trophy) but you only give him two eggs and a pound of sugar, hows that for a big cake huh?

Posted by: arbano1 | October 12, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

but if Joe Montana was back there, he'd look average.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009

And pretty much did in KC.
I am telling everyone now, that when Campbell leaves after this year if he happens to find his way to a team with a decent line, a good coach with a good system ... watch out. Gibbs knows quarterbacks. That was probably his greatest strength.

Posted by: periculum | October 12, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Is there a second audio program for Monday Night Football so I can get the game in English?

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I do feel bad for Zorn b/c I think he could be a decent coordinator... He can't be as aggressive as he wants b/c of the OLine. OF course yesterday he went with zero protection in the first half as he sees his job going bye bye and will try anything at this point.

SHANNAHAN GOT TO BE THE MAN!!!!!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 12, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Good point about the media...

They can throw softballs when they want to. They rip Snyder because he doesn't talk and his team stinks.

I don't think that Zorn is a victim...he took the job.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Fred davis never should have been picked shoulda been O-line woulda had a year under his belt and Davis could have been fumbling for someone else, or giggling in some one else's meetings

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | October 12, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I agree he took the job and so he is not a victim. But I think some in the media at least would say that he has less to work with than other coaches, especially in terms of front office organization.

Which is what Spags knew and why he turned down the job, I imagine.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 12, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

periculum...

Joe Gibbs only knows one type of QB...big, tall, big arm guys, and they all had All-pro O-lines in front of them...except

Jason Campbell

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

And pretty much did in KC.

I am telling everyone now, that when Campbell leaves after this year if he happens to find his way to a team with a decent line, a good coach with a good system ... watch out. Gibbs knows quarterbacks. That was probably his greatest strength.

Posted by: periculum | October 12, 2009

Yeah. Heath was a wunderkind.

I bought a Monk throwback a few years back to show my Redskins colors. Not interested in giving Snyder any more money.

I'm going to take a different tack from you all on the Zorn situation. He's a pretty new coach. We all knew it was going to take a while for him to get up to speed.
However, he has not been given the tools to do his job. Ever since the Giants' defensive line pretty much single-handedly won the superbowl a coupe years ago, the writing was on the wall: if you play in the NFL, you better have an o-line that can block. If you play in the same division as the Giants, that goes x2. It was plain as day to everybody. Football teams win and lose by their lines. End of story. Until the Redskins figure that out, we are cooked. We haven't had a decent offensive or defensive line in years. Years. Those chickens are roosting quite cozily, I'd say.

Still a fan. Still living in Minnesota. Still not wearing purple, but it's oh-so-tempting.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | October 12, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

just go in the corner and cry please. You sound pathetic, just get over it and quit dragging your ignorace out in public with you, save the fans some dignity ~

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | October 12, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers says Redskins blame "starts with the ownership"
Posted by Mike Florio on October 12, 2009 8:31 PM ET
For much of the decade during which Daniel Snyder has owned the Redskins, many fans and members of the media have blamed Snyder for the team's struggles.

Rarely, if ever, do any of the employees of the organization point a finger at Snyder.

Cornerback Carlos Rogers has done it.

His broader point? Everyone is to blame. The message? The first one to blame is the guy who has the keys.

"It not only starts with the players, coaches," Rogers said, per the Associated Press. "It starts with the ownership."

Wow.

In unrelated news, the Redskins are now accepting trade offers for Rogers.


Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I think Vinny thought this O-line would carry us through the season and then it would be addressed next season.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Someone finally grew some nuts...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Rogers knows he's on his way out... as much as he drives me crazy with dropping balls, the guy can cover. He won't be resigned. He will want more than DHALL and Snyder won't give it to him. This team is beyond disarray..... I still can't believe this is our Washington Redskins.... Maybe it is finally time to change the name and start with a whole new identity...

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 12, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

There are some in the media that may say good for Carlos Rogers...but I say NO!!!

He has singlehandedly cost us 3 - 4 games with his stone hands.

He may be right, but I'd cut his azz tomorrow.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Someone finally grew some nuts...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

...well I wish he could catch the ball with em'!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I am telling everyone now, that when Campbell leaves after this year if he happens to find his way to a team with a decent line, a good coach with a good system ... watch out. Gibbs knows quarterbacks. That was probably his greatest strength.

Posted by: periculum | October 12, 2009 8:39 PM |

petroleum - Gibbs 1.0 knew his QBs. Gibbs 2.0, not so much. Gibbs 2.0 unfortunately was a pale shadow of his former self. Time don't wait for no man and it had passed 2.0 by. And 1.0's greatest strength was his play calling. No opponent's DC could match moves with him.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

"Joe Gibbs only knows one type of QB...big, tall, big arm guys, and they all had All-pro O-lines in front of them...except

Jason Campbell"

stan humpfries

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to take a different tack from you all on the Zorn situation. He's a pretty new coach. We all knew it was going to take a while for him to get up to speed.
However, he has not been given the tools to do his job. Ever since the Giants' defensive line pretty much single-handedly won the superbowl a coupe years ago, the writing was on the wall: if you play in the NFL, you better have an o-line that can block. If you play in the same division as the Giants, that goes x2. It was plain as day to everybody. Football teams win and lose by their lines. End of story. Until the Redskins figure that out, we are cooked. We haven't had a decent offensive or defensive line in years. Years. Those chickens are roosting quite cozily, I'd say.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | October 12, 2009 9:04 PM


Yup. At the start of Sunday's game, I was remarking to my friend that if I had no experience at any level as head coach & offensive play caller, and you gave me a job doing it at the highest level, and you told me I'd be 10-10 after Week 4 of my second season, I would take it.

What did anyone expect? And what does anyone currently expect given our Swiss cheese offensive line?

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Where's Super-Fan-#1, Barno at?

He's been eerily silent since this weekend when both his beloved Terps and 'Skins got spanked around the football field.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 12, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers should be cut during a time when Fred Smoot is done and Kevin Barnes untested?

Write down the name of his replacement before you cut him.

If anything, his replacement might be named "Free Agent".

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"I think Vinny thought this O-line would carry us through the season and then it would be addressed next season.

Posted by: rickyroge"

yeah, which is why needs to get siht-canned

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

If anyone doubts the power of a great offensive line, watch Chad Henne manage the fins with plenty of time to pass.

Henne is going to be an excellent q-back by the season's end.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, Henne has pedigree, even if the f---er never did beat ohio state...

Posted by: daggar | October 12, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Someone finally grew some nuts...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

...well I wish he could catch the ball with em'!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 9:17 PM |

That was great! I actually laughed for a minute instead of being so pissed off I can't even stand it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

What did anyone expect? And what does anyone currently expect given our Swiss cheese offensive line?

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 9:19 PM |

Z might be an OK WCO guy but he does not have the right temperament to be a successful HC. He is too New Agey and FB is not a New Agey thang.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I thought there was some discussion over the summer that Zorno got to describe his priorities to Cerrato, and he claimed he didn't need elite Oline players.
I'd say he was wrong; but it's not the only thing he looks to be wrong about.

Posted by: daggar | October 12, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

"He is too New Agey and FB is not a New Agey thang"

i thought he was a reborn christian?...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

"Look at our draft needs already."

Don't mind if I do:

But Free Agency?: the best availiable tackle/center should be the '...big splashy move...'.

Jason Campbell?: re-sign to a big money signing bonus, but low ball deal with layers of incentives.

1st round--running back with blazing speed

2nd round--right tackle

3rd round--Jeremy Jarmon

4th round--left tackle

5th round--middle linebacker

6th round--center/guard

7th round--linebacker

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone is blaming Hall for the wrong thing. The problem wasn't the tackle, it was the fact that the QB was able to get that close before Hall tried. It was 3rd and 8. Hall had contain. There was no reason for him to go for the fake. If he had held contain he would have stopped the play for a loss. It was either a poor decision by him to follow the flow of the play, poor coaching for not reminding him to watch the bootleg or both.

Posted by: lifelongfan | October 12, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I think the NFL should sue Daniel Snyder for "over-owning" this once proud franchise. It's like a bad car accident...I know I shouldn't be on RI but I just can't seem to get away.. I keep waiting for an updated Post "Zorn expected to be fired tomorrow, Gibbs interim coach to be named"

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 12, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm SICWIDIT the GM...

Here's who I keep on offense...

Derrick Dockery
Stephon Heyer- too much invested; may not be starting material but is good in a pinch.
Chris Cooley-speaks for itself
Santana Moss-move to the slot
Malcom Kelly- still too early to cut bait
Devin Thomas- still too early to cut bait
Rabach- until I can draft his replacement

Here's who I would keep on defense-

Orakpo- as a FULL time DE!
Jarmon- looks like a keeper
Alexander- versatility
Golston
Haynesworth-A BEAST if I can have him stay on the field
Horton
Landry
Tryon- coming along
Barnes-?
Doughty- solid player, not great
McIntosh
Fletcher- until I can draft a replacement
Hall- yeah, we overpaid but he's always around the ball.


Rest of these bums can go!

All the Gibbsonians

Portis
Sellars
ARE
Cartwright
Rogers
Campbell
Collins

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Chiefs 37
Redskins 6

And it's not going to be as close as this looks.

Posted by: wizard5 | October 12, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I thought there was some discussion over the summer that Zorno got to describe his priorities to Cerrato, and he claimed he didn't need elite Oline players.

Posted by: daggar | October 12, 2009 9:31 PM |

He may not have needed elite OL players but he at least needed OL players who wouldn't get pushed into a different ZIP by elite DL players.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 12, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I dont think JC is to blame for the loss, but he sure didnt put us in a posistion to win either. The guy is damaged goods now, shellshocked from this terrible line. yesterday he avoided a 4 man rush, and had plenty of time, instead he's nervous as hell,judging by his flurried footwork, and throws incomplete. yeah he completes a good % of passes, but cant sustain drives.

Posted by: hcic55 | October 12, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe...

Not a bad analysis...you can be my Director of Player Personnel...

but

I damn sure wouldn't resign Campbell for nothing.

You're right though. Because we need two Tackles you can't have two rookies, so I'd draft one and sign one.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Leon Washington has so much speed.

It would be nice to have a back on our time like this next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Here's what Dan Snyder hath wrought: I've been switching over to hockey during MNF TV timeouts, to watch the Caps. (Who just lost in a shootout.)

Nothing against the Caps, but I've never followed hockey before in my life. I just want someone competent to root for.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

So, let's review the bidding...
1) fire the owner: compelling, but at least as unlikely as it is appropriate.
2) fire the team: cap or no cap, large-scale rebuilding is unlikely; see item 1. Besides, the defense is good enough for a couple more years (as long as Fletcher is healthy).
3) fire the coach: instead of 'staying medium', he's gotta 'git-er-done'. I'm betting that you can take off the 'git-er' from that statement.
4) fire the GM: if you all say so, fine, but imagine a world where Snyder is really the GM.

Posted by: daggar | October 12, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

ugh watching other NFL teams is depressing. It just re-enforces the fact that the Redskins aren't a good team. And you know what the difference is? Time to throw and holes to run through. Amazing what a few quality o-linemen will do for you.

Posted by: -swb | October 12, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I thought there was some discussion over the summer that Zorno got to describe his priorities to Cerrato, and he claimed he didn't need elite Oline players.

Posted by: daggar | October 12, 2009 9:31 PM

There was a miscommunication.

What Zorn said: "I don't need elite linemen."

What Vinny heard: "I need an elite defensive tackle."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 12, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

rickroge

"I damn sure wouldn't resign Campbell for nothing."


Campbell looked very good yesterday--when he had time to throw.

The audible to the slant on the side where the safety was up in the box was an excellent call on his part.

He kinda spread the ball around enough to convince me that Devin Thomas should play and Fred Davis and Malcolm Kelly should not.

In fact, I'd motivate Kelly by moving Mitchell in front of him just to see what Marko can do when the bullets are flying.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Watching MNF.

It's awkward how hard they are working the whole "Mark-Sanchez-is-Mexican-American" angle.

We get it already...Mark Sanchez is Mexican-American and there aren't many in the NFL. OK. You don't need to add Latin guitar to every commercial break...

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone is blaming Hall for the wrong thing. The problem wasn't the tackle, it was the fact that the QB was able to get that close before Hall tried. It was 3rd and 8. Hall had contain. There was no reason for him to go for the fake. If he had held contain he would have stopped the play for a loss. It was either a poor decision by him to follow the flow of the play, poor coaching for not reminding him to watch the bootleg or both.

Posted by: lifelongfan | October 12, 2009 9:34 PM |

Y'all are pickin' at the mutherphukin scab. We let a bush league offense with a sad excuse for a starting QB score a whole bunch of unanswered points. The damage was done before Hall even had a chance to blow that play. This team sucks. The sh!t starts at the top and rolls downhill. Danny is a beat a$$ loser.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,
Little confused about your draft priorities. You say RT with the 2nd and LT with the 4th. Are you planning to have a left-handed QB? I am not a draft expert but how many successful LTs have been drafted in the 4th? Seems to me LTs are usually 1st, sometimes 2nd.

Posted by: lifelongfan | October 12, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

The new pro league playing now, I believe they're the AFL, has some decent talent. The skins could do a lot worse for players--these guys are hungry for the opportunity.

Jim Fassel is actually coaching the Las Vegas Locomotives, and winning...but I guess he was not exciting enough to DS during the interview.

Posted by: wizard5 | October 12, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Campbell looked very good yesterday--when he had time to throw.

The audible to the slant on the side where the safety was up in the box was an excellent call on his part.

He kinda spread the ball around enough to convince me that Devin Thomas should play and Fred Davis and Malcolm Kelly should not.

In fact, I'd motivate Kelly by moving Mitchell in front of him just to see what Marko can do when the bullets are flying.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse


Moe,

Campbell has had time to throw for the first 4 games.

We saw the result of all that.

Now Campbell won't have time to throw. Bad just got worse.

Every drop back will be a jail break.

Here's to hoping for a shotgun formation on every offensive snap - at least JC17 will be able to see the trucks coming...

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe he continues to defend this challenge when everyone and their mother saw the ball hit a Burgundy sock. Zorn is a Clown. I'm talking of Bozo proportions.

Posted by: keino83 | October 12, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The only thing a boycott would accomplish is the los angeles redskins

Is that what you want?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

YES! That would be the only way to get rid of snyder, and the NFL would have a replacement in no time,ala the browns a few years back. Word is if the vikes dont get a new stadium they want out. I'd love to see AP in burgandy and gold

Posted by: hcic55 | October 12, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

4) fire the GM: if you all say so, fine, but imagine a world where Snyder is really the GM.

Posted by: daggar | October 12, 2009 9:41 PM |

We're livin' in that world. Snyder has his face so deep in Snyders lap that you can't seperate the 2. Snyderatto smokes poles.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

i am watching the jets and gruden just said they have four number one picks on the o line, sure makes sanchez look better, I am getting depressed with how bad the state of the redskins is right now.

does anybody know how many picks and what rounds the skins have in 10?

Posted by: stivic | October 12, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

*meant to say Cerrato has his face so deep...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone is blaming Hall for the wrong thing.

Posted by: lifelongfan | October 12, 2009 9:34 PM |


More like - anyone blaming Hall has been smoking the wrong thing.

After watching that game, you are really hung up on the DHall play??

Seriously?

The car got totaled and you're crapping your pants b/c you can't find a hub cap that rolled off...

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I like Joe Thiesmann's point...Everybody wants to declare Thomas and Kelly busts, but the don't play enough...

They keep gettin' taken out the game to keep ARE and Moss on the field.

Who knows what Kelly, Thomas and Moss could do if on the field consistently.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

So the Jets may be putting on a run-game clinic, but the WR screens don't work much for them either. But their RBs are really, really fast and their LG is pulling machine!

That's right, after all this, I'm still on the stupid screen. I have the feeling, it being a fast developing play, that we'll be seeing a lot more of it this Sunday.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 12, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

does anybody know how many picks and what rounds the skins have in 10?

Posted by: stivic | October 12, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

all but our 3rd rounder I believe.

Posted by: hcic55 | October 12, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

You don't need to add Latin guitar to every commercial break...

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 9:45 PM

They should add in some mariachis.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 12, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I have an idea that has not been tried but could work. Let's set up a company that will take $10 donations from fans. We hire our own consultant to come in to review the front office operations. Perhaps Bill Pollian, Bobby Beathard, or some other real GM. We then take the consulant's report to Snyder who implements its recommendation which will be to fire Cerrato and hire a real NFL GM.

You guys play fantasy football, this is a variation of that, but rather than on the field, it's in the front office.

Posted by: pjente | October 12, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

"Look at our draft needs already."


Don't mind if I do:

But Free Agency?: the best availiable tackle/center should be the '...big splashy move...'.

Jason Campbell?: re-sign to a big money signing bonus, but low ball deal with layers of incentives.

1st round--running back with blazing speed

2nd round--right tackle

3rd round--Jeremy Jarmon

4th round--left tackle

5th round--middle linebacker

6th round--center/guard

7th round--linebacker

Posted by: MistaMoe


Not bad except I would take a tackle in the first and an RB in the 2nd or 4th.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

You don't need to add Latin guitar to every commercial break...

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 9:45 PM

They should add in some mariachis.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 12, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse


Or just photo-shop a sombrero on their still shot of Sanchez...

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

lifelongfan

"...You say RT with the 2nd and LT with the 4th. Are you planning to have a left-handed QB?"


I'm looking for an established player/free agent to step in on day one and take the position at right tackle.

You're right about the left tackle in round 4: a guy who's still there at that position usually isn't a keeper.

But I still take two young tackles: drafting them is strictly a depth move.

If the free agent doesn't pan out--which happens sometimes--I got a young'n to plug in his place.

In any event, yesterday we all saw that the tackle spots are the weakest on the offensive line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I blame both Randle El and Westbrook for that play.

Usually when there is a fair catch call, there is a communication yelled to get blockers away from the ball. Either Randle El didn't communicate or Westbrook didn't hear it.

Either way, it's very poor awareness on Westbrook's part.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Draft all oline and Jonathan Dwyer and sh!t on Danny's face.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

"...Here's to hoping for a shotgun formation on every offensive snap - at least JC17 will be able to see the trucks coming..."


And it's gonna get worse after the bye.

The November stretch is a killa.

Play the young'ns is what I say.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if it has been mentioned yet or not but PFT has a funny post about CR pointing the blame at Snyder.

Posted by: sjw1 | October 12, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

YES! That would be the only way to get rid of snyder, and the NFL would have a replacement in no time,ala the browns a few years back. Word is if the vikes dont get a new stadium they want out. I'd love to see AP in burgandy and gold

Posted by: hcic55

What the ....Go to Minnesota and satisfy your AP crush.

Posted by: dcwun | October 12, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap, after watching MNF I realize (again) that when it comes to what we put on the field we really have no. speed. whatsoever.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 12, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I am not hung up on the Hall play. One play never is really the difference in a ball game. However, as a fan you wish the punt play never occured and then hope the defense can make a stop so the offense has one more chance to tie or win the game. Whether they could succeed who knows. The problem was not being able to build on the lead once they were up 17-2. One more score probably would have sealed the deal.

Posted by: lifelongfan | October 12, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

The upside to Gruden is that he'd be a younger guy compared to Holmgren or Shanahan. I'd like to get a coach who isn't a few years away from retirement. Holmgren would be like Gibbs again.

This team needs a coach with a little bit of attitude. Maybe a guy who will set clear expectations even for veterans. Cowher or Gruden would fit that bill. Gruden would make more sense if you want to go for less of a jolt as far as changing systems go.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 12, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

freakzilla....bummer caps game...if they continue to spiral...well...i will be sad....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

gruden is table scraps

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 12, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Kyle Orton is lending credence to the "JC is gonna do well in the right situation on another team" argument. Really, who thought he would amount to the starter on a 5-0 squad before game 1? He looked like dogcrap in CHI.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 12, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Gruden to the Skins means breaking up the best MNF booth in years just as it's getting started. Gruden & Jaws are good together.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sjw1 | October 12, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Moe,
I agree with your overall assessment and think the Redskins have done a poor job of addressing the OL. However since overall team depth is poor I am not sure you can afford to waste any picks. Why would you want a 4th round tackle who isn't a keeper if you could pick up better talent at another position (not that there is much hope that current FO could do that)?

Posted by: lifelongfan | October 12, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

1st round--running back with blazing speed
Gets slammed to the ground: no blocking

LEFT TACKLE: BEST AVAILABLE

2nd round--right tackle
Why take another silly risk, Moe?

3rd round--Jeremy Jarmon
There's your damned beast y'all so SHUT IT!

4th round--left tackle
CENTER/GUARD

5th round--middle linebacker
Moe, Moe when will you learn? You have enough of those already and they are young enough?

TACKLE/GUARD

6th round--center/guard
Ah, now he gets it again?

7th round--linebacker
quarterback ... we'll need another unfortunately

Posted by: periculum | October 12, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I wanna see drunk azz broadway Joe come hit on Suzy again.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 12, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

2nd round--right tackle
Why take another silly risk, Moe?

LEFT TACKLE / GUARD until we get it right.

Posted by: periculum | October 12, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975,
keep 'em coming. more pole smoking and less mock drafting.

Posted by: tony11 | October 12, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

orton not the best example of jc doin work in different colors; mcdaniels apparently knew otron was good enough, but had no love for jc in a cutler trade

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 12, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975,
keep 'em coming. more pole smoking and less mock drafting.

Posted by: tony11 | October 12, 2009 10:31 PM |

I don't know about more pole smokin' but drafts won't mean sh!t until they're conducted by a true football professional without the meddling of the biggest little moron in football history.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

special thx to ronnie brown for running auburn to that 10 wins and fooling gibbs into trdaing up for campbell

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 12, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

This Henne kid can play....this defense is no joke...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

This Matt Sanchez kid can play...miami defense is decent...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

This Sanchez/B. Edwards connection is no joke.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 12, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Gotta give Snyderatto credit on one thing, at least: Mark Sanchez can play. Of course, Sanchez playing behind the Redskins' line would look about as good as JC, so whatever.

What's the general consensus on the blog today? Are people stoked for the Chefs? Or are we sizing up cement shoes?

Posted by: PDiddy | October 12, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Lawrence Taylor, Dan Marino, and Curt Menefee are no joke. Those guys can lose some weight.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

orton not the best example of jc doin work in different colors; mcdaniels apparently knew otron was good enough, but had no love for jc in a cutler trade

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 12, 2009 10:33 PM

Was more saying that JC is better than people here think and will do well on another, shall we say more functional, team. Was less commenting on who wanted him this past offseason. I think Orton would be doing a whole lot worse than JC in this offense this season, no offense Kyle.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 12, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I think they've all combined lost one Desmond Howard.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 12, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, loss on Sunday = sky is falling on Monday.

Per the usual.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Quick, without looking, who are the category leaders for the Chefs in rushing, receiving, passing, tackles, and or sacks?

Stoked? Not too much water, it'll take forever to dry...

Nah, always stoked for skins no matter what...by Thursday. Bring on the Chefs starting Thursday. Go skins!!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 12, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, loss on Sunday = sky is falling on Monday.

Per the usual.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 11:09 PM |

You're kidding right? The sky fell on the Skins 10 years ago when that waste of a dirty nut sack bought this team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I need everyone the blog to send me good energy. I'm down by 3.64 points. I have Ronnie Brown. The other guy has Braylon Edwards. Start praying for me :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | October 12, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, what's up with the glass cage of emotion?! I've never seen you this despondent...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 12, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

scamp is unhinged....i like it...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I wanna puke thinking about how Parcells got J Taylor AND a second round pick basically...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I'm going to do something tomorrow that I'm ashamed to tell everyone here about. But I'm hoping it unleashes a torrent of righteous indignation from that Barno chap.

I'm going to buy a Seahawks jersey. (and, yes, I love the green ones, and I'm getting a green Hasselbeck)

Flame on!

Posted by: PDiddy | October 12, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, what's up with the glass cage of emotion?! I've never seen you this despondent...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 12, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

scamp is unhinged....i like it...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 11:17 PM |

I've had it with the phuking joke of a FO. I've put up with a lot of bullsh!t from this team over the last however many years but this sh!t looks phuking horrible. Our once proud team is laughable and it's all because of this clueless excuse for an owner and his pool boy. How brilliant do you have to be to come out and say "Our o line is a priority" and then completely ignore it? This phuking jackass needs to be jacked in his grill and pissed on while he lays unconscious on a pile baby sh!t. I threw out my Homer McFanboy Koolaid and took off the maroon and black glasses and everything turned out to be the color of turd and vomit. The saying goes something like this Danny, "When it's pitch black and it smells like sh!t it's usually because you have your head up your a$$."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Et tu, Diddy?

Are you serious?!

One of the GREEN jerseys? Are you F'n kiddin' me? Those things are HIDEOUS!

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching a Miami team, that has had a rough start this season, but THEY have the ability to turn it around. You can see it in their play. I can't see it in the Redskins. Hopefully I'm wrong, but so far, watching the Redskins is like watching a movie with a blindfold on, or having sex with a condom...

Posted by: noseman4681 | October 12, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

BS pass interference call. Horrible call.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

bull crappe call there

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

PDiddy - I don't know what to say.....


And Miami just got completely SCREWED on that pass interference call - hope Sanchez throws an INT.

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching a Miami team, that has had a rough start this season, but THEY have the ability to turn it around. You can see it in their play. I can't see it in the Redskins. Hopefully I'm wrong, but so far, watching the Redskins is like watching a movie with a blindfold on, or having sex with a condom...

Posted by: noseman4681 | October 12, 2009 11:26 PM |

...over your face.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

This phuking jackass needs to be jacked in his grill and pissed on while he lays unconscious on a pile baby sh!t.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 11:23 PM

Got a good half a minute of belly laugh out of that! Thanks, a good way to end the day.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 12, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I think they look hideous on pasty white Seattleites. But on people of color, the green doesn't look as bright and works. Plus, chicks LOOOOVE it.

It's not that I'm abandoning the Redskins, it's more that I'm adopting my adopted hometown team's jersey.

I was (seriously) pondering a Sanchez jersey. I love that guy. He's living the life we should all be living: pro QB in NYC, dating supermodels, throwing touchdowns.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 12, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

the fins scheme for their players and that gets um stoked.

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 12, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

I was (seriously) pondering a Sanchez jersey. I love that guy. He's living the life we should all be living: pro QB in NYC, dating supermodels, throwing touchdowns.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 12, 2009 11:29 PM |

How about pro X slinger, dating stripers, throwing up?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

scamp good stuff....

I like ricky williams...and the weed stuff only increased that....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

This MNF only re-enforces my opinion that the two things truely hurting this team offensively is an experienced play caller putting his players in position that will accentuate the teams ability to score points by playing to their strengths, and adequate OL.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Miami uses all 53 players. Everyone contributes. None of this "You're not ready to play" nonsense.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 12, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

scamp good stuff....

I like ricky williams...and the weed stuff only increased that....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 11:34 PM |

I smoked pot with him back in Atlanta. He was friends with my ex girlfriends brother.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

seriously scamp? sweet!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Pass interference is potentially the most damaging penalty of all. A bad call cost Miami over 50 yds and then a TD. If they are going to have instant replay, you should be able to challenge interference. I know the argument is that interference is a judgement call, however, if it is clearly indisputable whether it was or wasn't why shouldn't it be challenable.

Posted by: lifelongfan | October 12, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

This game is depressingly entertaining....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

seriously scamp? sweet!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 11:37 PM |

Yea, her brother and Ricky played minor league baseball together. I don't remember what team, I think it was the Boll Weevils or something like that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Can someone remind me where Sparano came from? Rams coordinator?

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Dallas o-line coach

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Can someone remind me where Sparano came from? Rams coordinator?

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2009 11:40 PM |

Dallas, although we had him on staff at one point.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

That was a textbook example of how to whiff on a block.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Thanks CL - I knew he was a Parcells guy. Just couldn't remember from where.

I want to throw up everytime they show f'ing Jason Taylor. Just hope Miami doesn't accidentally run out of time.

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Chad Henne appears good....

Is it me or is this game a clinic on how forward thinking modern NFL teams build and play?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

This game is anextra nail in the coffin for Zorn. How many starts does the Miami QB have? They have no fear of letting him play. They've changed his launch point, they've given good looks by balancing the line with multiple TEs, the running has been creative. It's just a really good gameplan.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

i forgot what exciting ball looked like

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 12, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

How's that TD work for you, Diddy?

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

What a great game. Too bad we won't see our beloved Skins play anything that remotely resembles this for a long time. I have to watch my (distant) second favorite team to even come close. (Saints)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

If this game had been at Dallas, I believe that pass might have bounced off of the scoreboard.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

what a fun game that was!! Love seeing Miami win

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Night all.


...and phuk Danny that little piece of crusty dog sh!t.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I'll take that TD! Woo hoo! Favre's Labia wins!

Posted by: PDiddy | October 12, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I watched the Colts last night in awe, realizing that we're not even close to playing at that level. Same feeling watching the same speed and urgency of the two teams tonight.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

hey zcezcest, good victory over me in fantasy....I thought I had enough to hold you off...I would not have expected two goose eggs from Keller/DeSean Jackson...and Jets D in the negative..but dems the breaks. Congrats.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Seriously: Steve Young's hair. What IS that?

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm scared to watch the Eagles/Redskins on MNF this season. It will not be a comfortable night in the bar with my Cooley jersey. Not a comfortable night at all.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 12, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

p diddy...stay home

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

I am officially 5-0 in FF! Woo hoo!

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

CL, I think my trainer will forgive me a night of debauchery on Redskins night. Gotta take it whenever she gives it to me.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 12, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

I'd stay in for Skins/Eagles. But then, I don't have much of a social calendar to attend to.

In fact, I usually only look at my calendar on Thursday nights to see if I need to roll out the trash can, trash & recycling cans, or trash & recycling cans and glass.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 13, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

freakzilla, I'm training nearly full-time these days, so my social calendar looks pretty similar. Lots of couch time and lots of eating chicken and brown rice :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | October 13, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

hey zcezcest, good victory over me in fantasy....I thought I had enough to hold you off...I would not have expected two goose eggs from Keller/DeSean Jackson...and Jets D in the negative..but dems the breaks. Congrats.

Posted by: chrislarry

I'd do my best to be gracious, but I'm still sweating ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Congrats Suzanne, we're all looking up at you.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Lazarus40, wow, terrific post at 8:15pm above.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 13, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

I am not local so I did not see the live game, however when was the last time you saw a smart team run a sweep out of their own end zone (let alone to Peppers side)? Dumb Zorn, just plain dumb! Okay, what kind of special teams coach, head coach does not have some type of verbal signal on a fair catch, so that the forward blockers know it's a fair catch punt? {the answer is an unprepared coach). Zorn is talking about moving Williams to RT, after playing well (haven't heard otherwise) at RG. A disaster waiting to happen. Williams should be kept at RG and is similar in build to Leonard Davis, who when not getting some type of penalty, pulverizes tacklers. You mean you don't have adequate depth on your OL after 5 games? Maybe Zorn thinks he can get away with this plan since we're facing a winless team......Oh wait a minute.........

Posted by: jenksredskins | October 13, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

AN OPEN LETTER TO MR DAN SNYDER:

Here's what I want. Dan Snyder to read and respond to the following:

I've been a Skins fan since birth. Cried when they lost Superbowl Seven and I was Seven years old. Found guidance as a troubled teen through class act Joe Gibbs and the blue collar attitude. And have stayed connected to 'home' by staying connected to my team.

Now I have to ask with all seriousness - is it time to stop following the Skins? As proud as I have been of the team at it's height - like the 92 Superbowl - I am that disgusted now.

And it's not the record. We've lost a lot in the last 16 seasons.
I can root for Portis and Hall and Westbrook and even Batiste. But there is nothing to like about Dan Snyder from what I see as a fan at home. And Mr. Snyder - you are the Redskins.

As a fan I see the same mistakes over and over and over - Spurrier/Zorn, Haynesworth/Smith, Vinny/Vinny.

Dan - I'm a diehard and you've lost me.

So . . . if you were to ask me what you need to do to keep my business - this is my answer:

1. Talk to the media. They will ask the questions I want answered. You are too involed in the building of this team to ignore them/us.

2. Apologize for past mistakes - suing fans, forced parking, ignoring media, firing good people. We will embrace you. Every mistake probably makes sense to you on some level, explain them to us so we understand.

3. Change your front office structure. It's your team. But your track record is not good. Work smarter, not more expensive, and build us a history we can believe in win or lose. Since you've purchased the team, you've only built a history of futility and change.

4. Vinny is a not good for the team. Fire him! it's not working and as his boss that's your fault. Fix it.

5. Become a man we can be proud of - Coach Gibbs doesn't lie, so I believe him when he supports you, but what I see is as a fan in the press and more than that on the field paints you as very unlikable. Embrace the fans. You need to pal around with us, not Tom Cruise or Portis or the like. We're permanent. We'll go down or up with you. If you embrace us.

That's what I'd ask. A big ego can be fantastic - Kent Cooke was a skyscraper of ego. We loved him win or lose or Raljon.

Now, do I think anyone anyone on the executive floor will read this? I hope so . . . I've worked with a lot of very powerful, successful men and women in the entertainment industry, and the most successful and most loved have been the ones who listen and work 'humble'. My input is based on real world insight and not fanatic fan anger . . . now . . . I'm putting my Skins swag into storage and watching patiently to see if I need to move on.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 13, 2009 5:16 AM | Report abuse

CINDY or THE MAYOR

The above post...................... *Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 13, 2009 5:16 AM | Report abuse*

needs to be carried over to the next post. KurtShanaman, well written, says it all. Much of the way I feel. If this team loses on Sunday, and not loses while giving 100% effort. Loses with self destruction bonehead, fluke plays that only falls on a "snake bitten" team. This franhise will crumble. This team very well may lose the majority of the games remaining. This patchwork of an Oline, I pray doesn't get Campbell hurt back there. I think if he goes down, many will be sad that they have been screaming for Collins. Just disgusted at this team.. My family has had season tickets since the Griffith Stadium. I NEVER THOUGHT MY DAD WOULD SAY,

"I'LL BE MORE COMFORTABLE ON MY COUCH THIS WEEKEND"

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 13, 2009 5:45 AM | Report abuse

ZORN'S COMMENTS ON THE OFFENSIVE LINE:

""Part of the game for the quarterback is to go at every snap. It doesn't matter who's out there. Every snap he has to go as if he's going to get fully protected," Zorn said. "That's how he has to play the game, so we have no excuses that way, especially at the quarterback position. He goes back and he can't have a sense that there's not going to be protection because he can't do his job.""

Really? Really? I feel sorry for Campbell. This guy is going to get crushed once we get into the heart of our schedule. We will see Todd Collins soon. No way SOUPS makes it 16 games.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 13, 2009 6:04 AM | Report abuse

DANNY SMITH FOR PRESIDENT?

http://redskinshogheaven.com/

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 13, 2009 6:06 AM | Report abuse

DANNY SMITH FOR PRESIDENT?

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 13, 2009 6:06 AM

Why stop there? Dude deserves a Nobel Prize for Special Teams. They looked great this last weekend.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 13, 2009 6:21 AM | Report abuse

O Line decay = No Soup For You!

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009 6:44 AM | Report abuse

And all this talk about West Coast Offense is an offense to the west coast! There's nothing about it that either coast would claim.

In my opinion, the West Coast Offense worked well with Montana (or Young) Rice, Taylor, Clark (or Jones), Craig (or Waters), Rathman, and a vicious ball hawking Defense (Lott, Romanowski, Mann, Stubblefield, Young, Hanks).

OUR version looks like the one that lost to the Giants 7-3 when Montana got his back broken.

There's a reason it's a West Coast Offense. Keep it over there. We need a ball control offense. A ball control offense and a great defense. Campbell should be throwing to Cooley or Kelly or Thomas on 3rd downs - slants and outs.

Maybe, if we practice it more, we'd be able to run for a few yards here and there. Going WIDE every time we NEED a yard? Is that West Coast? I doubt they'd claim it. Running wide in short yardage is gay, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 13, 2009 6:55 AM | Report abuse

I think instead of watching the game this week, I'm just going to take a dump on my coffee table and stare at it for 3 hours.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 12, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

This might be the funniest thing i have read on RI in awhile...unfortunately its probably good advice damn.....

Posted by: cosmiccatnip1 | October 13, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

"This Henne kid can play....this defense is no joke..."


I posted this after the dolphins beat the bills and folks laughed saying it was too early to tell.

But yes, Chad Henne can play.

How does it effect the skins?: well, there will be two very good quarterbacks who were also multiple year starters--S Bradford, J Locker--in next year's draft.

The FO might look at the play of Flacco, Ryan, Sanchez, Henne, Cassel, and think, "Hey, a young guy is as good as and experienced guy."

"Let's not re-sign JC and draft a quarterback."

Thing is, they won't look at the play of Boller, Russell, Quinn, Young, and parse the difference.

And why bring a young'n in to play quarterback behind the horrible offensive line so we can can relive the Curious Case of Patrick Ramsey?

No matter how fans feel about him, re-siging Campbell to a low-ball incentive deal with a big signing bonus should be done before the season ends.

Why?: the devil you know beats the devil you don't know.

And from the why things have worked for this team, the devil is winning every Sunday afternoon.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 13, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Mock drafters - Don't forget that the dolphins will be drafting an extra guard/center in the 6th round in 2010...that was additional ammo to obtain Jason Taylor, the worst front office move Snyderato has ever made.

Posted by: BKDenver | October 13, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Some chunky morsels adding to the future dread of the skins. Think about this next year as it relates to player needs and the draft (wow, i think we still have 6/7 picks!):

- We will not have any QBs on the roster, as JC of course will leave via free agency after the way Danny treated him (and who knows if he's a legit QB) and our only backup, Grandpa Todd, will be almost 40 next year
- We will have an aging and weak O line to pretty much completely replace
- Portis, Betts and Cartright will all be over 30 by then (both Betts and Rock already are)

No biggie, only basically an entire offense to rebuild. I am sure Danny and Vinny will do a marvelous job. Besides seeing what they have done to us, don't forget that Vinny is the guy who destroyed the 49ers (which is why when the braintrust of Policy, Mariucci and Clark left the 49ers to start the new Browns they left Vinny there) - draft some more receivers, and draft a bunch of guys who (like years past) missed half of their senior years due to blown out knees, broken shoulder blades and the like ("they would've been high picks if they hadn't had such a serious injury, but that means we can get them cheap - I'm so smart cause if they hadn't been seriously hurt I would have gotten real steals getting potential first and second rounders in the third, fourth and fifth rounds" - brilliant Vinny).

Posted by: dougbalt | October 13, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

This is a bad rule, and I don't blame Carolina for taking advantage of the situation. A fair catch should be a fair catch and a defender should not be able to block a defender into the man making a fair catch. First of all it is dangerous for the return man, he could get injured, he is signaling a fair catch so that he can field the ball safely and could be injured by onrushing players colliding in to him. Second of all their has to be a distinction between the defender being blocked into the player making a fair catch and the defender driving an offensive player into a vulnerable player who is looking up in the air at the ball. Does a serious injury have to occur for the NFL to change the rule. Is the NFL saying thehealth of the other players is expendable and that they are going to protect quarterbacks only. They changed therule for onside kicks to avoid onrushing players colliding and injuring each other and this seems like a nobrainer to clarify this rule. Having said this, the other half of the equation is that it is inexcusable that every member of the special teams not be aware of what the fair catch rule is and Randle-El should have yelling to clear. Randle-El said that he was not aware that an offensive player could legally be blocked into him.

Posted by: impartial1 | October 13, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

This is a bad rule, and I don't blame Carolina for taking advantage of the situation. A fair catch should be a fair catch and a defender should not be able to block a defender into the man making a fair catch. First of all it is dangerous for the return man, he could get injured, he is signaling a fair catch so that he can field the ball safely and could be injured by onrushing players colliding in to him. Second of all their has to be a distinction between the defender being blocked into the player making a fair catch and the defender driving an offensive player into a vulnerable player who is looking up in the air at the ball. Does a serious injury have to occur for the NFL to change the rule. Is the NFL saying thehealth of the other players is expendable and that they are going to protect quarterbacks only. They changed therule for onside kicks to avoid onrushing players colliding and injuring each other and this seems like a nobrainer to clarify this rule. Having said this, the other half of the equation is that it is inexcusable that every member of the special teams not be aware of what the fair catch rule is and Randle-El should have yelling to clear. Randle-El said that he was not aware that an offensive player could legally be blocked into him.

Posted by: impartial1 | October 13, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

the rule will be changed in the offseason. it leaves way too much discretion in the hands of the ref as to when the blcoer, disengaged or became an inactive participant in blocking. if the blocker gives up blocking altogether and is just running down the field (it looked like westbrook gave up pushing the car. player) and the defensive player grabs him and pushes him, the ref would have had to watch those 2 players during the entire kick and fair catch to determine if the reciever was "active". it's super janky and the fact that teams practice pushing a player into the returner because they know they themselves cannot hit the returner shows the intent to break the rule.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 13, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The skins have appeared as a slow team for years. They always seem one step behind whoever they are playing. I wonder does not having an indoor practice facility limit their running activities/drills to improve speed, particularly during inclement weather. How many times has the skins cancelled or shortened practice due to weather conditions? I'd like to find out how many teams have an indoor practice field. Anyone aware????

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 13, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

anyone that thinks JC would do better with another team are out of their minds. how can someone like him do better on another team when he can not learn a new offensive scheme in two years now. hire grimm head coach he would take the players to task for sure.get o coordinator with him also. no fassel, holmgren and especially shannahan or gruden. root for grimm head coach. he probably would not come though because he was kicked out by shot for family instead. he should have been our o line co ord back then.

Posted by: rls1041 | October 13, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Mock drafters - Don't forget that the dolphins will be drafting an extra guard/center in the 6th round in 2010...that was additional ammo to obtain Jason Taylor, the worst front office move Snyderato has ever made.

Posted by: BKDenver | October 13, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

great how good has out 3rd round guard (rhinehart) turned out. the 6th rd are throwaways for the skins. u don't get great guys in the 6th and the skins don't develop players well, so look for line help in the 1-4 rd. the skins will draft rbs,lbs,or dbs in the 6th ..... maybe even a highly touted but not good enough to play pro ball QB (brennan).

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 13, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

BTW taylor can still play he was just all bout tha benjamins coming here. he wanted to sign one last rich contract before he retired, miami wasn't gonna give him the dough so he came here and got it, now he's back in mia with maybe another season before he retires.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 13, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Gee, good golly, by gosh, um, I guess if we had any semblance of a real NFL offense um, um, especially a young, talented, offensive line with maybe some um, um quality depth for backups, then um, maybe we wouldn't have been clinging to just a 5 point lead against the woeful Panthers and um, crying to the officials that a "bad call" lost the game on Sunday.

Quit trying to blame the Redskins' problems on anybody but the Redskins. We weren't 4 - 0 and lost a close game on a bad call. We were a 2 - 2 team that had only barely beaten 2 winless teams. Face it - we in a heap of dung that's been getting deeper and fouler smelling for 11 years now.

Two touchdown's - one for 12 yards - one for one half yard - and that was it, excepting one mighty field goal. Zorn is cluless and way over his head, but is merely the latest unfortunate sucker to inherit the head coaching job of Danny & Vinny's abysmal, dysunctional, and inept franchise.

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 13, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

GOSH

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 13, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

boycott the chiefs game - stay away from mailbox field and send a message

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 13, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Okay guys,

They really aren't that far off? Yeah put me down as one who thinks they need a new coach. Zorn just doesn't inspire confidence ... in anyone with his approach. Kind of wonder what the players really think?

Yes, they DO need to make up for past transgressions. They are going to have to put the whole focus of the draft on offensive lineman. No skill players until that is remedied. Yes, that probably means Colt is your starting QB next year. They have plenty of receivers, plenty of running backs and can get one through free agency if need be.

That also means the Orapko at linebacker continues. It will take 2-3 years. But **HE** is young. As is Haynesworth. Looks like they will lose draft pick Montgomery next year, probably Carlos Rogers as well so they will need some new corners. These they can get from the FA pool for now. But the defense should be fine.

So, if they dedicate this draft to putting together the next generation of "Hogs" they should be alright. Under a new president/head coach. With little to no interference from Danny.

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

skinsken, i know we weren't a 4-0 team that got hosed, but maybe a2-2- team that can't get a break. would anyone have been surprised if the ref ruled on the field that westbrook was pushed into ARE and thus it was faircatch interference?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 13, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

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