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Zorn reveals that he called 8 plays Sunday

During his weekly appearance today on ESPN 980's "The Jim Zorn Show," Redskins Coach Jim Zorn revealed that he called eight plays in the Redskins' 7-6 loss to the Dallas Cowboys.

"They were just within the ... they weren't first-down plays," Zorn said. "Unless it was a two-minute drill. I called most of the two-minute drill."

Zorn has previously acknowledged he retained play-calling duties in two-minute drills, and it was Zorn, not primary play-caller Sherman Lewis, who again directed the offense in those situations against the Cowboys. So Zorn also called eight plays that were not in the final two minutes of the first or second halves, Lewis continued to call "the bulk of the passes," Zorn said, and offensive coordinator Sherman Smith handled most of the running game.

Owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, stripped Zorn of most of the play-calling decisions and promoted Lewis, hired as an offensive consultant on Oct. 6, to be the new play-caller for the Oct. 26 game against the Philadelphia Eagles.

But after five weeks of the new procedure, play-calling appears to be a hodgepodge operation primarily involving Zorn, who still installs the offensive game plan each week, Lewis and Smith, the main conduits to quarterback Jason Campbell. Offensive assistant Chris Meidt, who sits next to Lewis in the coaches' box, also has played a key role.

Lewis has not addressed the media since his introductory news conference on Oct. 7. He has repeatedly declined interview requests, according to team spokesmen, so Lewis's opinions about the Redskins' play-calling, offensive game plans and talent level, among other things, are not known.

For the most part, the play-calling process for the last five weeks has run much more smoothly than some critics envisioned. On his show, Zorn acknowledged the Redskins experienced a few glitches against the Cowboys, but said the problems were not the result of anything Lewis did wrong or the plays he called.

As for Zorn's role in calling plays not in the two-minute drill, he said he tries not to throw off Lewis's play-calling rhythm. "He's got a track, and I try to honor that feel for the game," Zorn said. "I'm up to speed, I think, in where we're headed, because we talk about the mix and where it's going. I feel pretty good about it."

By Jason Reid  |  November 24, 2009; 1:35 PM ET
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Comments

JZ might want to keep that mum after only scoring 6 pts in a game.

Posted by: skinswest | November 24, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

This guy needs to be let go or told in no uncertain terms that he is to not call any more plays or will be terminated.

F Zorn!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Hope he really liked those 8 play calls since they could end up costing him 500,000 a piece.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 24, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I would not want to be in Jim Zorn's shoes... well, except on pay day that is.

Posted by: SkinsfaninPeru | November 24, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Yeah it was used well. I like Jarmon and was pushing for him. How about if I change that to the second rounder from last year?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 24, 2009 1:28 PM

Dude, be careful what you ask for. This is one of Vinny's greatest blunders that actually prevented a long term disaster.

Not having that 2nd round pick was the reason we didn't have enough to trade for Cutler or trade up for Sanchez.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 24, 2009 1:40 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 24, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Not surprising. The offensive flow was very different once the skins got into scoring range. Also, did you notice the wasted timeouts because the play got in late? That's Zorn all the way. Fire him now Danny. We'll understand.

Posted by: TWISI | November 24, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

i want to know what 8 plays he called, specifically, and how many yards those plays gained....

JZ is like a child, in that he can't leave play calling alone...he can't just move on, and throw his energy/efforts into something to help the team, he's just kind of stuck pouting that he can't call plays...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

D44,
i have to agree. its hard to know what to hope for the way things are.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 24, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

repost:

Bean -

I have no argument with your assessment of Zorn and his evaluation/use of young talent. We see Rhino differently, but I would be very happy to be wrong about the guy.

We might have slightly different standards for O line, but that's cool. That's what makes this blog fun.

Posted by: edvar | November 24, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't you love to know exactly which eight he called. You get my personal guarantee* that they were all drive/rhythm killers.

*Not worth internet space it's printed on

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | November 24, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

4-12 -- not sure you're eliminated from FF playoffs, but don't be putting any money on it either. Tough loss. First time I got to see Andre Johnson for an entire game -- gotta say the guy didn't look like a superstar. Too many drops and several plays where the effort wasn't there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

The draw play on 3rd and two has zorn written all over it. And some more insight into that TO zorn called would be nice. Why was it called?

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

**[Got beeped]**


That could include contracts that he's paid off (Jansen, Marcus) but are still on the books in some manner and injured guys (Albert, Cooley, Samuels, Thomas, Portis, etc).

Lots of paychecks Danny wrote this week were to guys who did nothing for him on Sunday ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2009 1:26 PM

zeke- Jansen, Marcus, Springs, etc. all got their millions previously, in the form of various signing/roster/option bonuses. They're not collecting checks from "Mr." Snyder anymore.

The currently injured dudes are muti-million $$$ bonus guys, with [relatively] small base salaries.

[Also, am I officially eliminated from FF playoffs yet? If so, I'm claiming all the Skins players, in an attempt to set the record for lowest weekly point total in FF history.]

Posted by: 4-12 | November 24, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The whole process is a joke.

Posted by: ridgely1 | November 24, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Well it is DC where everything is done by committee and in back rooms and in five different ways and then it is spun around like a top.

What the he!! we should appoint a play calling czar.

Posted by: sfskin | November 24, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Zorn was wagging his middle fingers at a picture of Vinny while he was talking freely about the fact that he still calls some plays.

Posted by: p1funk | November 24, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

JZ is like a child, in that he can't leave play calling alone...he can't just move on, and throw his energy/efforts into something to help the team, he's just kind of stuck pouting that he can't call plays...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

fwiw, you and I are agreeing on much too much. Who cares if Zorn called a few plays and why is he keeping count? After all, its not the play calling anyway, right? Its the execution ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Time for Vinny/Snyder to even further reduce his responsibilites. Although he could still be useful. Just ask him what he would do and then do the exact opposite.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 24, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Dear Jim Zorn,

Please stay the F#%K out of the play calling.

Sincerly,

4thFloor

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

The Question for the Ages......who was worse Spurrier or Zorn? I am using Zorn in the past tense cause we all know he is gone.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 24, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

After all, its not the play calling anyway, right? Its the execution ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2009 1:56 PM

Well, it sure is on the field goals.

Posted by: League-Source | November 24, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I have a poll question for all.

If you were to play Jim Zorn in a game of Madden football, in a "coaching mode" game, where you don't control the players just call the plays. How many points do you think you could beat him by?

Now how-bout if you did it against "the committee"

Posted by: alex35332 | November 24, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone noticed whether or not Sherm squared are relaying plays at the same time?

It seems like the opposing team could see run when S.S. is talking and pass when S.L. is talking....no?

What a cluster f!

Posted by: ksquare | November 24, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

red, I have and will continue to state that they need to draft OL exclusively with this draft....they used a third from next year on a DE, they have to, HAVE TO get their OL off the worst in the league list....drafting any other position, makes this just a repeat of the past 3 years......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't agree. I think we have great backups in Rhino, Heyer, Jones, and Rabach. What we need are elite starters and you get them in the first 2 rounds. We need to take bookend tackles in round 1 and 2 then go for BPA in a position of need after that. We can fill the other 2 line spots in 2011. We have too many needs to limit all our picks to just linemen. We need maximum value. If we get bookend tackles and move BMW to right guard I think we're ok for next year. I wouldn't be opposed to taking a LB, FS, QB, RB, G, C, or OT in the 4th , 5th, and 7th rounds.

What if Navarro Bowmen is still available in the 4th? That's a starting caliber SLB.

What if Even Royster or Toby Gerhardt are still there in the 4th?

If Christian Ponder comes out this year then I'd take him in the 4th.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that if a great guard or center is still available in the 4th we don't take him. I'd grab Sergio Render, Stefen Wizniewski, John Jerry, etc in the 4th. What I'm saying is that we need the best player available in a position of need. Our positons of need are LT, RT, C, RG, RB, QB, LB, and FS.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 24, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 24, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Whose Worst?

Zorn by 7 lengths....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Son of a b*#ch!!! What the hell is wrong with this dude? What part of you're a sucky playcaller don't you get?!! I bet he called that stupid 3rd and 2 draw play that resulted in the long missed FG. Enought already! Fire this moron!

Posted by: ga8085 | November 24, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

It seems like the opposing team could see run when S.S. is talking and pass when S.L. is talking....no?

What a cluster f!

Posted by: ksquare | November 24, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I think that Smith calls the play into Campbell no matter what is called.

Lewis decides run/pass. If pass then Lewis calls the play and Smith radios it into JC. If run Lewis says I want to run, Smith calls the specific play and calls it into JC.

I think this is how the 2 Shermans are working?

It also seems that Jim Zorn has decided that he will call in a play at random here and there just to mess with any rhythm Smith and Lewis develop.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 24, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone noticed whether or not Sherm squared are relaying plays at the same time?

It seems like the opposing team could see run when S.S. is talking and pass when S.L. is talking....no?

What a cluster f!

Posted by: ksquare | November 24, 2009 1:59 PM

I've thought about this as well. It would be very easy to see which Sherm is calling a play and then you'd know whether it's a run or pass.

We taking dysfunction to the next level.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 24, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

In a somewhat poetic twist, Vinnie Cerrato has stated that Zorn's responsibilities going forward will be further curtailed to include only, "monitoring the frozen balls used during upcoming Dec. pratices."

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | November 24, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

PA, we need to stay away from drafting a QB until 2011 at the earliest. As much as I dog JC, the other positions of need are more crucial IMO.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I started calling for drafting OL in large numbers several years ago, because it takes a few years to get an OL up to speed and only a modest % of draft picks pan out.

You can find gold, occasionally, on the OL in lower rounds and even with undrafted guys. But its a whole lot easier when all you need to find are 1 or 2 guys -- we need to find 4.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone else hearing the Church Lady saying "Weeeellllll, isn't THAat speeecial"!

Creepy.

Can we fire this clown already? I'll take Bingo Lewis FTW!

Rok rok AUN!

The AMAZING Dik Shuttle
of the Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 24, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Dude shut up about the play calling, just coach. We all know you suck.

Dan Synder, should take this oppurtunity to fire Vinny Cerrato and Jim Zorn.

It should be a good thanksgiving gift for the fans.

We have tradition of firing coaching on Thanksgiving. Go ahead Dan do it, this is decision that the no one in Redskins nation will challenge.

Also have a press conference, and talk break your policy of not talking during the season.

Posted by: dnaik | November 24, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

yeh, given that the two minute drills are where we lost the game (prevent D also to blame), this pretty much spells it out.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 24, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

PA, we need to stay away from drafting a QB until 2011 at the earliest. As much as I dog JC, the other positions of need are more crucial IMO.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I'd only suggest him because I think he would actually fit this messed up system. The guy has a quick release and a very quick read progression and is accurate. In fact, he's the only QB I'd take this year. My point was more to show that we need to look at value and need instead of just need. If we limit ourselves to just linemen we may end up with a bunch of career backups and that's what we already have.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 24, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

We taking dysfunction to the next level.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 24, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Haha...so true. Somewhere just above Oakland and Cleveland sounds just about right.

Posted by: ksquare | November 24, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I have no argument with your assessment of Zorn and his evaluation/use of young talent. We see Rhino differently,

So you're saying that Zorn can't pick players, or put them in a position to succeed, but that Rhino should be cut, because he's not a good player....ok...

gotcha..............

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I see a lot of people saying we need X number of linemen. I thought maybe we should really look at what line spots to fix in order. To me it all depends on if Samuels and Thomas decide to come back. Assuming they don't

LT, RT, RG, C, LG. That said, I could say wait and see at right guard on Chad Reinheart n the rotations.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 24, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

It seems like the opposing team could see run when S.S. is talking and pass when S.L. is talking....no?

What a cluster f!

Posted by: ksquare | November 24, 2009 1:59 PM

I've thought about this as well. It would be very easy to see which Sherm is calling a play and then you'd know whether it's a run or pass.

We taking dysfunction to the next level.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 24, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse


I believe Smith is the one who relays all the plays to Campbell so it would be tough to tell which plays he was actually calling.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 24, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Zorn definitely didn't call any passes to Kelly, Thomas, or Davis

Posted by: coparker5 | November 24, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't surprise me if Zorn was giving kicking tips to Suisham right before his 2 missed field goals.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 24, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

To me it all depends on if Samuels and Thomas decide to come back.

Al, if EITHER guy is brought back that in itself is abject failure. Thomas is too injury prone, and Samuels needs to retire while he can still walk.

This is Change I can get behind........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I believe Smith is the one who relays all the plays to Campbell so it would be tough to tell which plays he was actually calling.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 24, 2009 2:16 PM

This is true. However it wouldn't be to hard to see which Sherm is fumbling around with their play sheet.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 24, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Sherm1 talks exclusively to Sherm2, who talks to JC. Sometimes someone codenamed "Sherm3" interjects and asks if he can waste a timeout.

Posted by: daggar | November 24, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I hear Sherm3 has the best haircut of all of them

Posted by: alex35332 | November 24, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Zorn grasping to stay relevant...

Posted by: mattylight | November 24, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

LT, RT, RG, C, LG. That said, I could say wait and see at right guard on Chad Reinheart n the rotations.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 24, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Some thoughts

Left Tackle:

LT is defintely the highest priority since the best left tackles go in the first round. The thing to think about though is that if we get 2 tackles the first round left tackle will probably backup Levi and play right tackle while the second round right tackle sits on the bench for a year.

RT, C
So do we take a right tackle in the second or do we take one of the elite center prospects?

RG
A good right guard could be had in the 4th round. I could see BMW taking that right guard position too. He's a little tall for a right guard but I think he would make up for that in the run game.

LG
Dock is young and he is pretty good. I'd love to be able to say he is the weakest link on the line instead of the strongest.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 24, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:

Speaking on "The Monty Show" on Sporting News Radio, Cowboys linebacker Bradie James dismissed Redskins safety LaRon Landry's verbal shot at Dallas receiver Roy Williams as so much hot air.

After Williams was held without a catch for the first time during his six seasons on Sunday, Landry said, "He was scared. I told him he was scared. On [routes over the middle] you could tell he didn't want any part of it."

James answered back, sort of, today.

"This is a pretty good team and we've got our work cut out for us [Thursday against Oakland], so we've just got to take care of business and that's what we concentrate on," James said. "That's why we don't have to entertain what LaRon Landry is talking about, because we've got bigger fish to fry."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | November 24, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to suggest that someone on the redksin's sideline discretely disconnect Zorn's headset mike once the opening kickoff is under way.

Posted by: james808d | November 24, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"That's why we don't have to entertain what LaRon Landry is talking about, because we've got bigger fish to fry."


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 2:26 PM

He thinks they're playing the Dolphins?

Posted by: League-Source | November 24, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

LT is defintely the highest priority since the best left tackles go in the first round. The thing to think about though is that if we get 2 tackles the first round left tackle will probably backup Levi and play right tackle while the second round right tackle sits on the bench for a year.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 24, 2009 2:25 PM

The reason I disagree here is because next year must be looked as a partial rebuilding year. We need to go into next year building for the future and that means playing young players and if a LT and RT are chosen in the 1st two rounds, then they should start and get the experience they need. To sit a player drafted in the 1st or 2nd round would be a huge mistake.

We cannot go into next year thinking we will be winning the SB. If the team that is put together next year makes a playoff run, then great, but the one player away mentality needs to stop.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Good idea James!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 24, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"...because we've got bigger fish to fry."

so now the Raiders are bigger fish than the Skins. Sad times for Skins' fans.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

You were right to say Holy Theeeesmen! That was not for the weak of stomach.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Sherm1 talks exclusively to Sherm2, who talks to JC. Sometimes someone codenamed "Sherm3" interjects and asks if he can waste a timeout.

Posted by: daggar | November 24, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse


Sherm1: Let's run it here...

Sherm2: OK, Jason let's go off-tackle here behind Levi.

Sherm3: Hey guys! Umm...yeah I am gonna have to interject here and I think we should pass.

(awkward silence)...

Sherm1: Dude for the last time, I call the plays, got it? I thought we cut his headset off?

Sherm3: Golly gee, do you have to say it in that tone?

Sherm2: umm, guys, there are 10 seconds on the play clock...

Sherm3: Oh gosh...should I throw the challenge flag, to...umm, you know, stall for time?

Sherm1: (mumbling to himself) what the hell am I doing here...NO you idiot, DO NOT throw the challenge flag, got it?!

Sherm3: Ok, ok. Well darn. Time out! Sorry about that, I'll talk to you guys in a minute. Hey will someone find my challenge flag? I'm bored as crap right now, and I need to do something...

Sherm1: That's it! I'm calling Vinny.

Posted by: mattylight | November 24, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

saw that break last night, yuck...that was just nasty....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 24, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

so now the Raiders are bigger fish than the Skins. Sad times for Skins' fans.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 2:34 PM

Dallas in big trouble if Raiders are bigger fish. They couldn't even fry the 'Skins. They had to get Suisham to fry us.

Posted by: League-Source | November 24, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

It don't make much difference who calls what... if the offensive team can't execute it and unfortunately, most snaps go straight to JC17... who couldn't execute himself if he were sitting on "Old Sparky" in the middle of a bathtub with an intravenous solution of arsenic and rat poison hooked into each arm.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 24, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Ironically, the Redskins seem to play better the more players they lose. But if playing better doesn't translate to winning, it's going to be a long final six weeks of the season. And we're going to need a new drinking game.


Thankfully there is some real hope in Rizzo and the 'Natinals'. Even AAA Syracuse is looking forward to the spring as the Nats flagship minor league affiliate. No, drinking on Nats time Tracee! ;)

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Today Jim Zorn revealed that he has a strong aversion to installing plays that involve receivers crossing the goal line. He explained that if such plays were part of the game plan, its possible that Jason Campbell might throw touchdowns, which is an aspect of Campbell's game that Zorn is not yet comfortable with. He want to explain:

"This way we really get to see, umm, just what we have in Suisham, and gosh darn it, I'm really excited by what we have there. We scored six points this week, which is a really great sign of the type of character we have on offense on this team, and I can't wait to see how many points we score next week. We may look into drawing up a few plays during the offseason where Jason actually looks for receivers in the end zone, but I really don't want to hurry that process."

Posted by: james808d | November 24, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Dallas in big trouble if Raiders are bigger fish. They couldn't even fry the 'Skins. They had to get Suisham to fry us.

Posted by: League-Source | November 24, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Well, it helps when the coach ices the fish before it gets fried.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 24, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

so who decides on run or pass?

Posted by: oknow1 | November 24, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

beeeeeeeeeeeeep

Posted by: mattylight | November 24, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 24, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

so who decides on run or pass?

Posted by: oknow1 | November 24, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

We have a trained monkey flip a quarter in the booth.


This is not to actually decide run/pass, but to pick if they will spin the mini-wheel of fortune on Smiths desk or pull a bingo ball from the churner on the floor.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 24, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

so who decides on run or pass?

Posted by: oknow1 | November 24, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

We have a trained monkey flip a quarter in the booth.


This is not to actually decide run/pass, but to pick if they will spin the mini-wheel of fortune on Smiths desk or pull a bingo ball from the churner on the floor.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 24, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"And we're going to need a new drinking game."

Yeah, but consider the those who have heavily in the team's advertising programs this season.

For example, Papa John's is planning a lawsuit against Dan Snyder and company for false advertising and defamation of character. Thus far, the pizza chain has only been able to give out a grand total of three "free" toppings the whole season.

And the veteran support group that gets a free laptop computer for every touchdown scored by the Redskins said earlier this week that they want to disassociate themselves from the team -- explaining the poor soliders are already suffering enough from their war wounds and other post traumatic stress disorders; they don't need to exascerbate their problems by having to support this sorry bunch of losers too.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 24, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

The reason I disagree here is because next year must be looked as a partial rebuilding year. We need to go into next year building for the future and that means playing young players and if a LT and RT are chosen in the 1st two rounds, then they should start and get the experience they need. To sit a player drafted in the 1st or 2nd round would be a huge mistake.

We cannot go into next year thinking we will be winning the SB. If the team that is put together next year makes a playoff run, then great, but the one player away mentality needs to stop.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse


I agree it's a multi year rebuild. I just don't believe in handing over the starting position. I think they should compete for it. I think every position should be up for grabs every year. My point is that we need 4 starting linemen. I want to see if BMW can be a very good right guard. If he can then that leaves us with needing 3 starting linemen.

LT
RT
C

We draft a LT in round 1. Then in round 2 we can draft either a right tackle or a center. So now the question is would you rather have:

LT-Levi Jones
RT-elite tackle prospect
C-elite center prospect

or:

LT-Elite Left tackle prospect
RT-Elite Right tackle prospect
C-Rabach

So it comes down to would you rather replace Levi Jones or Casey Rabach next year? I'm going with replacing Rabach if O'Dowd or Wizniewski are available in round 2.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 24, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Well, it helps when the coach ices the fish before it gets fried.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 24, 2009 2:44 PM

BS, JohnD. Coach didn't "ice" the mullet. The delay was all on the refs. And Suisham, himself, said that the delay wasn't the reason he missed it.

Only people who blame Zorn for the missed field goal are dudes posting up here on RI.

Posted by: League-Source | November 24, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Alex, your point on the OL is valid.

Ideally, I think you have 3-4 solid starters. You gotta draft or get these guys via FA. You pay for them. The old Hogs got Bostic and Jacoby undrafted, but paid for May, Grimm and Lachey in trade or high pick.

When you only need to fill one slot, you can try out 5 guys in and there is a good chance 1 will exceed expectations.

But when you have 3 or 4 slots, it becomes much harder to look at 10 guys in various combinations. Especially since OL play is often dependent on how the OL interacts among each other.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

INSUBORDINATION!!!! I effin LOVE IT!, get em z-man

Posted by: FANofSKINS | November 24, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy...

Please be quiet

Maintain what shred of dignity you have left

Posted by: kahlua87 | November 24, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with Zorn calling as many as he wants. He is still the HC and if they don't like it then fire him. It's not like the offense is any different with Sherman calling the plays. All of you Zorn haters can enjoy having Jim Fassel as our next coach when Danny can't find anyone to take the job. Woo hoo.

Posted by: Redskins001 | November 24, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

With great trepidation I throw my 2 cents in to this round table discussion. Stop using terms like elite and all-pro. These are great ideas but not necessarily proven strategies. The New Orleans Saints O line was ranked statistically by a number of pundits as the best in the league for 2009 season. But they only had one probowler in 2008 and he was an injury replacement. Give up on elite and go for Darn good. The Ravens currently have 2 starting caliber Right and Left Tackles. As demonstrated by the use of Oher for Gaither earlier this season. But for all their line they only have 2 1st round picks everyone else is a 3rd rounder or lower.

(I don't know personally but maybe a team like the Patriots would trade a couple of third rounders for Portis in the Offseason to bulk up its running game.) These are the types of plans that smart teams, Ravens, Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Vikings make.

Elite means huge contracts. You don't need the best LT or RG. You need folks across the line who are no worse than maybe 12th Best at their position. Why because then when you add a Veteran free agent for a title shot you are making a short bet at an upgrade.
This concept is pretty basic and if you think about the Hogs this is who they were. Not the best at anyone spot. If the misguided mgmt of the Redskins took such a philosophy we would not have prima donnas, we would not have a paper OL, we would not be grousing at overpriced sodas, underwhelming food, or lack of any customer service, but we would be hoping they win against the really good teams and enjoying good wins against the bad ones.

Heck my 8 y.o. nephew figured all this out with Madden Franchise so I think we should hold the guy hired to run the Redskins and the owner to higher standards than my Nephew Timmy's abilities.

Posted by: Hank4 | November 24, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

He feels pretty good about it. So, he's got that going for him. Which is nice.

Posted by: TheDubb | November 24, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

No wonder Campbell threw the interception that sealed the deal. Jimbo was calling the plays there at the end.

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Posted by: hessone | November 24, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This is truly pathetic.

Think about it.

As a Redskins fan, if you were back in 1992 right after this team won the Super Bowl in Minneapolis and someone told you in the future a Redskins Head Coach would admit this to the Washington Post and appear sheepish in doing so, you would have said that person was a liar.

THAT is what Dan Snyder has done to this franchise.

Posted by: leopard09 | November 24, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

The draw play on 3rd and two has zorn written all over it. And some more insight into that TO zorn called would be nice. Why was it called?

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse
it's funny that people put that play on zorn, b/c after suisham missed the fg fox panned back to zorn who could clearly be seen mouthing the word God D@$%^it Sherman. I could be wrong, but i saw that as an indication that one of the Sherm's called the draw/decided not to really try to get the 1st. Zorn looked disappointed as though he trusted one of these Sherm cats with the play call and they blew it. I know that's the pot calling the kettle black, but that's just how i saw it. good luck being miserable guys .

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 24, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Reporter: Coach Zorn, if I can still call you that, what role did you have in the pivotal 3rd down play after the 7 min break and subsequent FG miss?

Zorn: Well, I was down there on the sideline and I heard Sherm S. say I need a play to get us in the end zone and Sherm L. said no let's pass to Cartwright underneath toward the sideline and get closer for Suisham. Well, I thought that was an awful long way to make Cartwright run and I disagreed. Why not just throw it to Cooley?

Reporter: Coach, Cooley is on the inactive list.

Zorn: Golly I know, so I said if we can't throw it to Cooley then let's just kick it because it's not fair to the guys who have been running the ball all this time to have to run it again after resting for 7 minutes waiting on the referees.

Reporter: *silence* and curious look like Vince Vaughn does on his face.

Zorn: looks back at him with blank stare...then asks "How is everybody?"

Posted by: dark_some | November 24, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Don't delude yourselves - Snyder is dysfunctional and inept as an NFL owner but is not stupid. And Zorn is also not stupid nor does he lack convication. In contrast to the tone set by Snyder, Zorn has character. Here's Snyder handing out turkeys in receive gloves on a media day that was 50 degrees or warmer and dry but one of his first acts was firing support staff as soon as he walked into Redskins Park. If Snyder knew he could fire Zorn for insubordination then he would and get out from under the salary. Zorn is making his presence felt after Snyder pulled his bush-league move, and there are likely many current and former NFL head coaches and GMs who support Zorn. And Snyder knows this - he has started taking broadsides from the likes of Holmgren and already had been rebuffed by Cowher. Ten years of abysmal leadership and perverted decisions have come home to roost. Snyder will be lucky to convince a guy like Rhaeem Morris to take the job, much less assistant coaches who are up and coming. The offseason may be even more entertaining when Snyder tries to stiff Zorn and Zorn loads up the legal team and the Post gets to print all the inside garbage that Zorn and his staff had to put up with.

Posted by: i155133 | November 24, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Woo Whoo 8 plays! All right Mr. Zorn way to go!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | November 24, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

What a farce. Pretty much anyone on the Redskins' sideline is now calling plays, including the kid who retrieves the kick-off tee. Taking credit for calling those plays is like bragging about designing the Edsel or the Hindenburg.

Posted by: randysbailin | November 24, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Let's see: Lewis's opinions about the Redskins' play-calling, offensive game plans and talent level? Sucks, sucks, and really sucks.

Posted by: bestmick1 | November 25, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

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