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Zorn: 'This is not an easy thing'

Coach Jim Zorn said he was not in favor of ceding play-calling duties to offensive consultant Sherman Lewis but reluctantly agreed because Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, strongly suggested the move be made shortly after Zorn directed another miserable outing on offense during a 14-6 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs at FedEx Field.

Appearing uncomfortable throughout an 18-minute news conference today at Redskins Park, Zorn addressed Sunday's significant developments. He explained how the Redskins' offense would work with Lewis suddenly in charge of play-calling, less than two weeks ago after being hired out of retirement as a consultant. Zorn also commented on the instability at quarterback after he benched starter Jason Campbell in favor of backup Todd Collins to start the second half Sunday.

Zorn, offensive coordinator Sherman Smith, and the rest of the offensive staff will continue to contribute toward devising the game plan, Zorn said, and Lewis, who Zorn acknowledged is unfamiliar with the team's offensive terminology and personnel, is scheduled to make his debut as the Redskins' play-caller Monday night against the Philadelphia Eagles at FedEx.

As for the team's quarterback situation, Zorn said he had not made a decision about a starter for the upcoming game, but anticipated doing so soon. The upheaval on offense continued as Zorn struggled to put a somewhat positive spin on another significant blow to his authority, which seemed to have become increasingly difficult for the second-year head coach.


"It was strongly suggested to me after the game, with a meeting I had with Vinny in my office at the stadium, that I make a play-caller change," Zorn said. It was "very difficult for me to think about it then. Thought about it, talked again with Vinny later on, and I'm going to comply with that. He suggested that Sherm Lewis be the new play-caller.

"Now listen: This is not an easy thing. I'll tell you how it's going to be. What we're going to do this week is we're going to game plan much like we always do with our full offensive staff and we're going to put a game plan together. Sherm's going to be trying to get up to speed. The input that he's going to have is in the passing game on the things that he knows. He's going to try to get up to speed on those things that he's not 100 percent comfortable with.

"He'll be up in the press box. He'll call the plays on Monday night. I'll be down on the field, relaying the play. I haven't decided - and it will be my decision - who the quarterback will be to start. I haven't even talked to our guys yet. This is the first chance I've had to express anything to anybody. As we get further into this, I'll make a decision as to who will be our starter.

"As far as the difficulty of the task, I feel for Sherm. He's been here for two weeks. We're going to give him as much help as we possibly can to get a spark out of our offense. That's really what this whole thing is about from my standpoint. The reason that I can comply with this is simply because of the lack of scoring. It's been several weeks. I want to win, too, and if this has to be done this way, if this is going to be the key, then I'm certainly willing to give it a try."

Asked whether owner Daniel Snyder would have fired him if he had refused to give up play-calling duties, Zorn said, "I don't have that answer for you."

Zorn said he would have preferred to wait until the Redskins' bye week, which begins after the team faces Philadelphia, to make a change in play-calling, "but that's not the way the suggestion came down." No other coaches on the staff were considered for the role, and Zorn further acknowledged his comfort level with the move "is somewhere between 1 and 10. It's not at 10."

Despite his reservations about essentially being demoted twice in the last two weeks, Zorn declined to resign.

"I tried to soul-search all of those things," he said. "There's a lot of people involved. ... Sometimes we have to do things that are uncomfortable ... so my comfort level isn't there. If this is something that we're all going to try to do to win, I want to try to do that."

A decision on the quarterback will be made before Thursday, Zorn said. "Jason will not back down; he's a competitor. That's what I like about him," he said. "So I could easily go back to Jason and say, 'Listen, you know you have to perform in this game. ... And then Todd, also, he loved it out there, so he was competitive as well."

By Jason Reid  |  October 19, 2009; 2:26 PM ET
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cl, let's not canonize past Skins QBs just because they stayed long enough to do good things.

This was Steve Butchcock (Redskins Journal)" Mark [Rypien] does have a tendency to fumble when sacked. He will throw a bad interception when there's no reason to throw the ball. And he hasn't taken the team to the playoffs."

Petersons Preview '90: "Fumbling quarterback Mark Rypien reminded no one of Sonny Jurgensen"

The comments were made in 1990, when Mark Rypien was 28 years old, in his 4th season under a HOF coach with the Skins and throwing to HOF Art Monk, Gary Clark, and Ricky Sanders.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

After what we are putting Zorn through who will accept an offer to coach this team?

Posted by: jrenn2114 | October 19, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Going over Niagara Falls with swimmies on.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 19, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Zorn stinks but this guy last did play calling in 1999, and was not that good.
Do you think the game has changed much since 1999.
This can't be good.

Posted by: jmy999 | October 19, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn said, and Lewis, who Zorn acknowledged is unfamiliar with the team's offensive terminology and personnel"

Given the lack of scoring since zorn took over, as well as lack of offensive cohesion, couldn't you say the same thing, that zorn is unfamiliar with the teams offensive terminology and personnel.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Grand Opening... And Grand Closing......!

Posted by: cocodc1 | October 19, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

It's also not an "easy thing" to follow and support the Dudskins.

Despite his proven record of failure, Zorn continues to insist he has confidence in his play calling ability. That's pure arrogance, bordering on stupidity.

The sooner this loser is gone, the better.

FIRE ZORN
TRADE CAMPBELL
RELEASE PORTIS
FIRE CERRATO

Posted by: Vic1 | October 19, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I wish Snyder had to go through a press conference like that too. He deserves it just as much if not more. So we have a guy calling plays who doesn't know any of the terms or formations. What a complete clusterf*ck. We'll be lucky to run 20 offensive plays Monday night.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 19, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

TC and JC really aren't making good throws and a lot of that comes with not being able to step into it. I know they aren't getting sacked but they also don't have room to throw. It appears that Rabach and Montgomery were getting pushed back into the QBs. I think it's more of an offensive line issue than a QB issue. That's why JC can't hit the broad side of a barn and TC kept having passes batted down and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I think we really need to watch the pocket during the games. Then watch another team. They are standing in a pocket about the size of a hula hoop. I think if they had more room and more time they would be playing better. Seeing both of them struggle with every throw is what makes me believe it's an offensive line issue. If they were stepping into their throws and still missing then I would blame them.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

____________________

The offensive line is an issue, and I'd buy this story if I hadn't watched Campbell play for the past few years, including time behind a somewhat good offensive line when it was healthy. He's just not an accurate passer. He doesn't put any arc on his deep passes to allow WRs to run under the ball and constantly over throws his target, regardless of whether he's pressured or not.

Campbell has always had this issue. It plagued him his first year as starter until he was knocked out for the year, Collins comes in and hits on the passes that Campbell was missing. People made excuses for him then saying that Collins just had an advantage because he knew the system. Now it's that he can't step up in the pocket. It's always SOMETHING.

My prognosis, is that it's Campbell.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "Despite his reservations about essentially being demoted twice in the last two weeks, Zorn declined to resign.

"I tried to soul-search all of those things," he said. "There's a lot of people involved. ... Sometimes we have to do things that are uncomfortable ... so my comfort level isn't there. If this is something that we're all going to try to do to win, I want to try to do that.""

Translation: Zorn wants to make sure he can get all the $$$ he is owed for the duration of his contract.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 19, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"We're going with 'A14' followed by 'E25' and then on 3rd and 10, we'll pull out the old, top secret 'C54'.."

Posted by: 4-12 | October 19, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

advice to Sherm Lewis, do not get familiar with Zorn's playbook.

When you are writing out the game plan, if Jim Zorn suggests something, do the exact opposite.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is obviously having second thoughts about rolling over for Vinnie yesterday. They blindsided him in that circus-like atmosphere after the game and gave him pretty much an ultimatum. Sh*tty way to treat your head coach.

Posted by: LouLewis | October 19, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I loathe Little Prick Danny. I feel extremely bad for Jim Zorn. He was set up to fail when Prick and Vinnie didn't do anything with the line.

May LPD burn in hell. The one silver lining is people are going to stop going to the games and hurt LPD where it counts, in his grubby little wallet.

Posted by: knight1977 | October 19, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

This was Steve Butchcock (Redskins Journal)" Mark [Rypien] does have a tendency to fumble when sacked. He will throw a bad interception when there's no reason to throw the ball. And he hasn't taken the team to the playoffs."

Petersons Preview '90: "Fumbling quarterback Mark Rypien reminded no one of Sonny Jurgensen.

Glad to see someone around here remembers?

The comments were made in 1990, when Mark Rypien was 28 years old, in his 4th season under a HOF coach with the Skins and throwing to HOF Art Monk, Gary Clark, and Ricky Sanders.

Why does everyone conveniently forget the most important feature of that offense!?

The OFFENSIVE LINE was led by Jim Lachey at left tackle, Joe Jacoby and Ed Simmons. Your guards were HOF Russ Grimm and Mark Schlereth (a guy many people remember as John Elway's guard during his superbowl victory run). Plus blocking specialist Donny Warren at tight end. Featuring the ultimate swing-man : a guy that could start at tackle, guard or center for most other teams in the NFL: Raleigh McKenzie. In point-of-fact most of the backups could have started almost anywhere else in the NFL and did when Casserly dismantled the team after Gibbs left.

This is the number one, major reason why this team fails. The offensive line. Clearly the defense is able to keep this team in games even with the problems at cornerback and the fact that Haynesworth hasn't yet found his niche in this defense ... and Orapko is really on a steep learning curve. But they do have talent.

This is not the case on the offensive line.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

So, why not give him a chance.

Posted by: taylormade218 |

I think we have our slogan for the rest of the season ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato should play quarterback. It's the only way he'll truly comprehend what it's like to stand behind that terrifying offensive line he assembled.

FIRE VINNY!
FIRE VINNY!
FIRE VINNY!

Posted by: drischord | October 19, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is an awful coach in way over his head and got hired initially for a job he wasn't qualified for and promoted to the head job he had no business being by a GM that is as smart as I am African American...(btw I'm Caucasian). All that said, this is just stupid, we now have a bingo caller as our play caller who two weeks ago was running a meals on wheels truck not our offense. He doesn't know the team, the players, or even the language of the offense, this is idiotic. Danny, I hope you know what a joke your team has become and I hope you clean house and get some real football guys in here. Go to Morton's with Gruden and Allen this week and give them the keys to the kingdom on paper, you have got to do it, anything short of a complete overhaul of all things in the football operations is just not good enough. Vinny has turned your team into the laughingstock of the league.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 19, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

New excuse for Campbell he cant step up in the pocket. Wow it will never end lol

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn said, and Lewis, who Zorn acknowledged is unfamiliar with the team's offensive terminology and personnel"

Given the lack of scoring since zorn took over, as well as lack of offensive cohesion, couldn't you say the same thing, that zorn is unfamiliar with the teams offensive terminology and personnel.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

LOL.. I agree, it can't get worse! Maybe not knowing the plays will actually help pick better plays. just have a matrix of calls and bingo numbers to make it easier on Sherm!!

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | October 19, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Snyder has shown that he can make the rigtht decision. He hired Schottenmeimer, a good coach, and fired Cerrato, a lousy GM. What he needs to do now is hire a good GM and chillax. That's what Art Blank did and he had a big smile on his face last night after the Falcons took care of Cut and the Bears.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 19, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Campbell has always had this issue. It plagued him his first year as starter until he was knocked out for the year, Collins comes in and hits on the passes that Campbell was missing. People made excuses for him then saying that Collins just had an advantage because he knew the system. Now it's that he can't step up in the pocket. It's always SOMETHING.

My prognosis, is that it's Campbell.


Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Collins hit 1 decent pass yesterday. Collins struggled just as bad as JC. prognosis: offensive line.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is obviously having second thoughts about rolling over for Vinnie yesterday. They blindsided him in that circus-like atmosphere after the game and gave him pretty much an ultimatum. Sh*tty way to treat your head coach.

Posted by: LouLewis | October 19, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

____________

I like Zorn, and don't like how it's being handled. But lets face it, Zorn's offense hasn't been performing. If it had been, he wouldn't be in this situation.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The offensive line is an issue, and I'd buy this story if I hadn't watched Campbell play for the past few years, including time behind a somewhat good offensive line when it was healthy.

From the get-go he was a lot better than Sanchez. Look it up dude. Certainly Rypien who had a great HOF offensive line. And still managed to win a superbowl?

Yes, the OL has been the problem ... even with Samuels. He isn't the same guy they drafted. And now we know why. Just about any expert in the NFL will tell you that. It starts with Danny being cheap with big bodies who can't sell t-shirts but can put the octane in your high powered offense.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Snyder's limited partners think of him. On the one hand he has made a once proud and beloved franchise a joke. On the other hand the value of the team has gone up $200 million. My affection could probably be bought for that much.

Posted by: Dchpacer | October 19, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Jim. Maybe you aren't a good coach. Maybe you are a lousy play caller...or maybe your O-line makes everyone look bad - no one can be certain as of now...but nobody deserves to be thrown under the bus by those two bozos - who are far more responsible than anyone for this mess.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 19, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Sherman Lewis Monday night: "Lets run the play where Portis is in back.. you know.. and then the little really fast guy goes up the right side.. and our tight end is in there doing some motion stuff"

Zorn: "So you want Two fly zebra mojo four?"

Lewis: "Uhh........ .. ... .. ok"

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

So what now? I guess Collins sucks too? Is that what the Campbell bashers are going to do. Blame Collins too? I have a hint for you. Next year It'll be Sam Bradford. 2-3 years down the road you'll be blaming the new QB. Get a clue. We need a line.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

FIRE VINNY!

He's just a scape goat for the real moron: Daniel M. Snyder esq.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah let's bring in a guy who hasn't been in football for 5 years, give him 2 weeks on the job and then make him the offensive playcaller. This should work out great!

On a separate note, JC and TC should play rock-paper-scissors to see who starts, and the loser should run around the locker room screaming with joy...another question: many people have called in absent for work every now and then for "personal reasons." Should whoever Zorn tabs as the starting QB pull him aside after practice and say, "Coach, umm...I actually can't make it on Sunday. Personal reasons..."

Posted by: mattylight | October 19, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I predict many wasted timeouts and delay of game penalties because of this change.

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn said, and Lewis, who Zorn acknowledged is unfamiliar with the team's offensive terminology and personnel"

Given the lack of scoring since zorn took over, as well as lack of offensive cohesion, couldn't you say the same thing, that zorn is unfamiliar with the teams offensive terminology and personnel.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Ok, fair point, it can't possibly get worse than 6 points against the Chiefs even if they just went to drawing plays in the dirt in the huddle. Still, it seems silly to let this guy call the plays, why not Buges?

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 19, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

After what we are putting Zorn through who will accept an offer to coach this team?

Posted by: jrenn2114 | October 19, 2009

2:30 PM | Report abuse
Absolutley noone!


Posted by: wagman1 | October 19, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone else ready for a real GM to come in here and tear this place down?

I heard an interesting fact about the Colts, I think last year or the year before. : All of their starters have never started for another team.

What does that mean: building through the draft, not buying high priced FA. Is it a surprise they are so consistent, oh by the way they keep the same in-house staff.

When Gibbs retired I thought for sure Gregg Williams would be promoted, thought it was a lock.

Then Jim Zorn.....WTF.....This guy sucks, and he has no balls.

I hate Vinny
I hate Danny
I hate Jimmy
I hate Jason
I hate Sherman
I hate the kids who killed Sean

I love London
I love Brian
I love Chris
I love Andre

START OVER!!!!!

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 19, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this off season Zorn can write a book about the inner-workings of the front office. Seems like that would be a fascinating read.

Posted by: NFeKPo | October 19, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato needs to take Dan Synder's small c0ck out of his mouth.

And vice-versa.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else think we will burn through our timeouts by the end of the 1st quarter? This has very little chance of being anything other than embarrassing.

Posted by: will_ga | October 19, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

maybe your O-line makes everyone look bad

Everyone, and I mean everyone, in the NFL plus the Redskins own coaching staff and scouts who did an in depth analysis of this team in the offseason said as much. Why oh why didn't Danny the great listen? Because he is a moron.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Dan Sndyer's Washington Redskins!

Posted by: smutsboy | October 19, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Mattylight: I'm pretty sure they both would like the opportunity to play for their jobs, despite the situation. Sitting gets them nothing.

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Zorn isnt a good coach. He seems like a nice guy and the position they are putting him in is cruel but he is not a good coach. He has difficulty in game management he has some script of plays that he refuses 2 deviate from (no matter what is actually happening in the game) and for weeks he kept telling us this team was improving!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Jim. Maybe you aren't a good coach. Maybe you are a lousy play caller...or maybe your O-line makes everyone look bad - no one can be certain as of now...but nobody deserves to be thrown under the bus by those two bozos - who are far more responsible than anyone for this mess.

Posted by: shaunsherman12

Actually, we can be certain that Zorn isn't a good coach. But you are spot on about how he's being thrown under the bus and where the majority of the responsibility lies.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I am sickened by the racism on this blog.

All of these attacks on Sherm Lewis' playcalling abilities, before he's even called a play for us, and why? Because he's an African-American. That's why.

And all of this talk of "bingo" and "Meals on Wheels"? Code words for "black."

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Snyder likes to repeatedly kick grown men in the d!ck as punishment for his failures because:

1) That's as high as he can reach
2) He feels deficient in that area
3) There's new d!ck out there to hire and kick, and time's a waistin'
4) All of the above

Posted by: SnyderisaBornLoser | October 19, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The Skins need a tall receiver to 'go up and get it.' It's been this way for years. Give Marko Mitchell a shot, after a great pre-season.

Posted by: cerona | October 19, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Why is former Hog Russ Grim not in the HC conversation?

He's currently assistant HC and OL coach for the Cardinals, was reportedly on the short list for what is now Mike Tomlin's job, is smart and apparently has a pair. It would be a complete love fest if he returned, reversing some of the bad JuJu.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 19, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah let's bring in a guy who hasn't been in football for 5 years, give him 2 weeks ..

Who would want that job. With Danny the rabid 10 year old fan sitting in the background, itching to grab the head phones and countermand your play call?

I'll tell you what Sonny Jurgenson: YOU FOR ONE have never, ever stood for that. Some coach, much less an owner calling the plays for you!

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The Skins need a tall receiver to 'go up and get it.' It's been this way for years. Give Marko Mitchell a shot, after a great pre-season.

Posted by: cerona | October 19, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

TMZ reports:

Sherm Lewis threw the red challenge flag at the BINGO hall, when allegedly there was illegal touching of 0-74.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 19, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Things are so ridiculous I wouldn't mind seeing a Spurrier-esque QB rotation. Y'know, just go ahead and give it that extra push over the cliff.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | October 19, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Still, it seems silly to let this guy call the plays, why not Buges?

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 19, 2009 2:51 PM

Why not a Ouija board?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I am sickened by the racism on this blog.

All of these attacks on Sherm Lewis' playcalling abilities, before he's even called a play for us, and why? Because he's an African-American. That's why.

And all of this talk of "bingo" and "Meals on Wheels"? Code words for "black."

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

You are so dumb. Bingo is a white man's game anyway idiot.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | October 19, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

... and apparently has a pair.

Which is why he would never come here.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

look...zorn was over his head being a HC and his play calling...well, sucked the perverbial taint...BUT...

you've gotta give him credit for not backing down despite being prodded to resign...and the way he answered his questions he clearly knows whats up and is almost accusatory of ceratto...jim zorn might not be a great HC, but he's a good dude, and i give him props for "standing strong" and taking snyder's money under the circumstances...i'll cheer for him Monday for sure.

GM first, coach second.

Posted by: carsonspence | October 19, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Why is former Hog Russ Grim not in the HC conversation?

He's currently assistant HC and OL coach for the Cardinals, was reportedly on the short list for what is now Mike Tomlin's job, is smart and apparently has a pair. It would be a complete love fest if he returned, reversing some of the bad JuJu.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 19, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Lovefest!!!! You see what these fans did to Gibbs after he called back to back time outs. I don't want Grimm just cause he's a HOG. We may as well get Doc Walker to coach.

Half of these dimwits would turn on Grimm to!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 19, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I am soooooo glad that I don't have to go to a sports bar to watch this week's game....its gonna be UGLY and we ain't got no alibi...we ugly..we we w ugly....

It would be unbearable watching this game in public with rabid eagles fans screaming in my face...and me having no good come back....except fisticuffs...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm calling the over/under on delay of game penalties at 5.

Posted by: WallyG3 | October 19, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

And all of this talk of "bingo" and "Meals on Wheels"? Code words for "black."

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 2:54 PM |

Homer: Meals on wheels! Eat it up, or I go to jail!

Old Jewish Man: Didn't these meals used to have a cobbler?

Homer: Uh, they discontinued the cobbler.

Old Jewish Man: You smell like cobbler!

Homer: Now, let's not get into who smells like what.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is a big boy, who went into the job with his eyes wide open.

Mature people don't take jobs, and then blame someone else when they can't deliver.

So say whatever you want about idiot Snyder, Cerrato, et al, but spare me the hand-wringing over an adult man wanting a specific position, selling himself to the employer that he was the right man for that position, and failing at it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

My prognosis, is that it's Campbell.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 2:34 PM

I think it's apparent that its' both Campbell AND the o-line. Hopefully there's a good one of either postition available in the draft next year.

Posted by: skinswest | October 19, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

My prognosis, is that it's Campbell.

And its too bad that you're wrong. Jimmy Johnson called Jay Schroeder the worst QB he had ever seen. Ever! This quarterback led the Redskins to the NFC championship game. Okay? Yes a lot worst than Campbell! What did he have? The very best offensive line in the NFL. 'nuff said'.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

slim-bo,
I think Zilla is trying to take our minds off of the fact that the Skins suck. Sherm is another good guy and just like Zorn will be set up to fail. Let's not forget that Gibbs is probably still taking Danny's calls too.

Clearly, Danny isn't listening, just pulling levers behind the curtain (and in front of the curtain).

Posted by: _Stumped_ | October 19, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

If I were JC or TC I would refuse to play QB behind a science experiment of an O-Line. I don't care who's calling the plays, who's on the sidelines or in the press box. To be a QB for the skins, you need a baseball bat in one hand to protect yourself. I would have loved to see TC give Zorn the middle finger when he asked to come in and play.

Posted by: clark202 | October 19, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

continuing coverage of DEBACLE '09 ®

Zorn can't decide on QB and doesn't like being told to give up playcalling.

In a seemingly unrelated story, Zorn has booked a 3 week vacation in Equador, or maybe Peru, or maybe Argentina, for November, maybe.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

REXskins:

I was kidding. What else can you do right now but crack admittedly lame jokes about our Washington Redskins?

Posted by: mattylight | October 19, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Bingo is a white man's game anyway idiot.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | October 19, 2009 2:57 PM


Wow, so now Sherm Lewis an "Uncle Tom."

Didn't see that coming.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I am sickened by the racism on this blog.

All of these attacks on Sherm Lewis' playcalling abilities, before he's even called a play for us, and why? Because he's an African-American. That's why.

And all of this talk of "bingo" and "Meals on Wheels"? Code words for "black."

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 2:54 PM |
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Actually, it's ageism, and it is stale (the bingo jokes, life at the senior center, etc.) and it's being practiced by some people on here who probably aren't that far away from 67 themselves, which makes it all the more ironic.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News:

TMZ reporting that Dan Synder admits that the way he runs the Redskins Organization is because of how small his pen!s is. He feels he's never really been able to fully pleasure his wife, or any past boy or girlfriends, so as a way to compensate he feels to need to micromanage a franchise that millions of people love and cherrish.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

rickyrouge, please. Grimm is a coach with a resume, Walker a media cat. I love'em both...but dumb comment. C'mon guy....

I would LOVE grimm...even if he had never been a skin...dude can be a head coach in this league. But he won't come here, and they would never hire him....(to much his own man/has opinions/would not be bullied)

Your blame the fans routine is getting old.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Question:
How does a guy who does not do any coaching on this team, doesn't know the terminology, have no say on the plays that team practice, has limited conversation with the coaching staff, does not participate in the game planning, etc. etc., can be the play caller? Does he get a list of plays and then blindly selects a play?

The team has made a small step in the right direction by benching JC, now make sure they throw away his locker key so he doesn't have to suit up, AND for goodness sake, let Todd have at least one good practice.

Posted by: opita1 | October 19, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Bingo is a white man's game anyway idiot.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | October 19, 2009 2:57 PM


Wow, so now Sherm Lewis an "Uncle Tom."

Didn't see that coming.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I was talking about Bingo not Sherm You threw out the Race card when 90% of the coaching staff is african american.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | October 19, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Can some of you Collins suck ups please explain what he did that he deserves to start? Seriously weren't we on the 3 yard line and still could not score?

After his first completion I thought I was looking at Campbell , its the dam scheme and the lack of production from the receiver opposite Santana and a lack of a change of pace running back. Betts needs to be deactivated

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | October 19, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Jim. Maybe you aren't a good coach. Maybe you are a lousy play caller...or maybe your O-line makes everyone look bad - no one can be certain as of now...but nobody deserves to be thrown under the bus by those two bozos - who are far more responsible than anyone for this mess.

Posted by: shaunsherman12

Couldn't have said it better. Zorn is a terrible head coach and an even worse playcaller, but the issues with this team started right after St. Joe (who needed to go btw) retired. To put all the blame at Zorn's feet is just a complete cop out by two major idiots, and finally the fans aren't buying it.

Joe had been slipping in game day management but he left a stable organization with a playoff roster, 10 draft picks, and very few needs. Any competent organization would have promoted Gregg Williams, signed a decent vet receiver and a reliable punter, drafted a young receiver to develop, and spent the rest of their 9 picks replenishing both lines. Danny and Vinny completed fumbled this and now we are where we are. In the last two seasons we have wasted 19 draft picks (including the Taylor trade) and have Horton, Jarmon, and Orakpo to show for it with nothing but a lot of question marks or cut players other than that. Its pitiful what they did to this team in just 2 offseasons.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 19, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Dan $nyder and Vinny ButtBoi™ Cerrato play with each other's feces.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | October 19, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Synder and Cerrato should be sent to Gitmo

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 19, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I love reading how many of you have the right fix for whats going on with the players, FO, and coaches and the complete knowledge of the players strengths and weaknesses. How can any of you do your job well with both arms tied behind your back and your boss handicapping you with the tools to be successful? Everybody wants Zorn to play this guy and bench that guy but he is pressed for wins and will play the guys he feel will give him the best opportunity to win games NOW. We the fans, the media, and the owners want him to win now and not develop the young talent at the same time because you can't do both unless you have good older core talent and the support from the fans, the media, and the FO.
Zorn don't have that because of the unrealistic expectations that are on him to succeed right now with a poor squad. This team is a 5-11 team at best but many of you expect 11-5. Many of you are calling to play Marko, AA, and more carries for Mason but the again the reality is Zorn can't risk playing younger talent because we expect him to win the Super Bowl this season with D talent. I would love to see Mason more because I truly believe he can run the ball well and will have a solid pro career but it's to early to cash in the season because Mason needs more carries. I think Marko will develop into a good Wideout but maybe this time is not right for him if this offense is hurting from the Line and QB to really show his effectiveness. A receiver can run the best routes in the world but it will not matter if the ball is not thrown to his direction because the QB had no time because the line can't pass block.

So until many of you take all of that into consideration with your personnel moves for the this team just remember how could you be effective with the expectations of the Super Bowl with 5-11 talent. The question we should ask is when do you start playing the younger guys and except that you are in the rebuilding mode to turn over this roster over the next two or three years..... THEN WE CAN SEE AA, MARKO, MASON, and others

Posted by: thebanker21 | October 19, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Collins hit 1 decent pass yesterday. Collins struggled just as bad as JC. prognosis: offensive line.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

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So, your excuse for Campbell repeatedly doing this over the course of his career, is the offensive line?

Despite the fact that he's shown these same tendencies when the line has been healthy?

Lets stop speaking in generalities anyway. He was able to step up fine on the pass play to Devin Thomas where he threw it out of bounds. There wasn't anyone in his face when he threw the ball at Santana's feet. These are the kinda plays that happen week in and week out. Healthy offensive line or not.

The offensive line is a big issue, but it's not what accounts for deficiencies in Campbell's game that have been evident for the past 3 years.


Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

That's right, slimbo. Keep trying to backtrack and wriggle out of your racism.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I am sickened by the racism on this blog.
All of these attacks on Sherm Lewis' playcalling abilities, before he's even called a play for us, and why? Because he's an African-American. That's why.

And all of this talk of "bingo" and "Meals on Wheels"? Code words for "black."

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 2:54 PM |

OH, Boy. Someone has done a job on your head. It is not always about blacks vs whites, that crap left the station a long time ago, only a minority (as in few people from all walks of life) still dwell on it. By the way, the reporter questioning the qualifications of Sherm Lewis was a certain WP black reporter who happens to have a blog column where you happen to post.

Posted by: opita1 | October 19, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

That's right, slimbo. Keep trying to backtrack and wriggle out of your racism.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Yep, i'm so racist. Got me.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | October 19, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I am kind of tired of this bullcrap.

Zorn - You're not getting the job done. Period. Stop blaming the OLine. Stop not blaming the scheme. Stop with this stay-medium Upper NOrthWest shctick I don't understand.

Adjust and keep it moving. I am not asking you to win games. But can you, like, score a couple of TDs? Move the ball more efficient? Throw down the field more often? Try Gadgetry, Wildcat, such as?

Man....I hate a loser's attitude.

(From Aliens)
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Hudson: That's it man, game over man, game over! What the f#$k are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?

Burke: Maybe we could build a fire, sing a couple of songs, huh? Why don't we try that?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Jacky-Z!

(oh and when can I get my check?)

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Ripley: How long after we're declared overdue can we expect a rescue?

Hicks: [pause] Seventeen days.

Hudson: Seventeen *days?* Hey man, I don't wanna rain on your parade, but we're not gonna last seventeen *hours!* Those things are gonna come in here just like they did before. And they're gonna come in here...

Ripley: Hudson!

Hudson: ...and they're gonna come in here AND THEY'RE GONNA GET US!

Ripley: *Hudson!* This little girl survived longer than that with no weapons and no training.

[to Newt]
Ripley: Right?
[Newt apes a salute]

Hudson: Why don't you put her in charge?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Maybe benching Campbell will yield similar results to when Reid benched McNabb. It lit a fire under his a$$. Oh wait we have no offensive line....nevermind.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 19, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I am sickened by the racism on this blog.

All of these attacks on Sherm Lewis' playcalling abilities, before he's even called a play for us, and why? Because he's an African-American. That's why.

And all of this talk of "bingo" and "Meals on Wheels"? Code words for "black."

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

lol, not racism, age-ism...Like the Raiders gettin their OC from runnin a B&B, If you pull your offensive coordinator from the senior center interrupting his Bingo duties, you will be laughed at.

Posted by: walkdwalk | October 19, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

The point about Schottenheimer is right on the money. Good coach and good talent evaluator.

Bugel as a play caller is simply not right. He's a line coach and that's it. And given the line play, that seems to need maximum focus.

Essentially Zorn is not in control now. He'll basically lose the locker room, and factionalism is a very real possibility. He should resign out of pride (Dungy's comments last night were absolutely correct), but I understand why he would not because he would not get paid. One wonders if his agent has contacted the Redskins and whether the contract is being reviewed for breach of contract. On the other hand, he's get employed somewhere so it's not like he'd be eating beans for the rest of his life. He's well regarded in Seattle, for obvious reasons from being a player. If for nothing else, he could work for them doing PR work. And be completely fine.

There's precedent in baseball for a GM to fire a mgr and then be the manager so as to evaluate the team. The problem is that the owner does not realize (or is extremely tone deaf) to the well documented opinion of his GM being incompetent, in addition to the fact that they hired a HC without requisite experience and provided no back up for him.

Bugel was a HC. Curious that we don't hear form him. Of course, he is a Gibbs loyalist, so maybe that's it.

I wonder if Gibbs would have accepted such an edict that emasculates his authority in the locker room. And I wonder who will be smart enough to get an interview with him and ask exactly that?

I don't think it much matters who the QB is at this point. The coaching/FO situation is so messed up that it might not matter. I just wonder if the owner realizes how bad this is making him look. And until the chants get louder at FedEx, and maybe at Ashburn, might not be much relief coming soon.

Posted by: dsda3731 | October 19, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

And its too bad that you're wrong. Jimmy Johnson called Jay Schroeder the worst QB he had ever seen. Ever! This quarterback led the Redskins to the NFC championship game. Okay? Yes a lot worst than Campbell! What did he have? The very best offensive line in the NFL. 'nuff said'.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

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What did any of your rant have to do with a single thing I said? Maybe you missed out on the full debate?

My point, as simple as I can put it... is that Campbell is not an accurate deep passer and consistently misses open receivers. He's done it behind this current pathetic offensive line and he's done it behind a healthy respectable offensive line.

You can't blame every thing that's wrong with Campbell as a quarterback on the offensive line. His tendency to miss open receivers is not the offensive line's fault.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

LMAO @ 4th!

That scene is the ish...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 19, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

In MLB, the Phillies value increased until Bill Giles, but the limited partners forced himnout of day-to-day op's in favour of David Montgomery. Oh, and they won a world series after that, and may be heading back to another. Why? First, he hired a competent, experienced GM (Gillick) and stuck with a competent baseball guy in Manuel (who admittedly may not be the brightest bulb on the planet).

So maybe the Redskins limited partners need to convene a meeting.

Posted by: dsda3731 | October 19, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

So when does the Larimer County sheriff step in front of the microphone and declare all this was a hoax?

Posted by: Xlnt | October 19, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

(I can keep going)

Hudson: Let's just bug out and call it even, OK? What are we talking about this for?

Ripley: I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Hudson: F#$kin' A...

Burke: Ho-ho-hold on, hold on one second. This installation has a substantial dollar value attached to it.

Ripley: They can *bill* me.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

We may not be that good at football, but guess which NFC East team just got better at BINGO!

Posted by: dchilo1013 | October 19, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Wait, the play calling quality was first question by Jason Reid wasn't it?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ElDrano
Translation: Zorn wants to make sure he can get all the $$$ he is owed for the duration of his contract.

Absolutely, make them have the nads to fire you straight up. Don't let them weasel out of it by simply taking away your authority & responsibilities. Zorn should have said, "Vinny just fire me now. Be a man, do it now. I will not resign, you must fire me. I will not turn over play calling. Fire me." As it is now, they're just being weasels about it.

Posted by: notamullethead | October 19, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Ripley: I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 3:23 PM

We have a solution.

Posted by: skinswest | October 19, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Collins hit 1 decent pass yesterday. Collins struggled just as bad as JC. prognosis: offensive line.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, you are right that the OL was a problem, but look at who was playing. As for Collins, well, you are being blind. Collins under the circumstances was a lot better than Campbell. Campbell have been taken all the reps at practice, the last time Collins took serious reps were two years ago, in other words he came in from the cold and put points in the board. Campbell has proven he can not play with any OL, there was a time when we had a young good OL and he was a failure. Collins has not had a chance to play with the number one unit yet. Remember yesterday, they did not have that unit on the field.
I would say that Campbell have a stronger arm and younger legs, but they are of no use when he is so inaccurate with his passes and hardly ever moves. On the other hand Collins is a more savvy QB, sees the field better, knows where his receivers are, finds them and distribute the ball faster and more accurate that Campbell.
For crying out loud, I could go on and on but it is not use with some of you JC's apologists.

Posted by: opita1 | October 19, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

And why the FCK if Vinny (ex-QB/receiver) not having his mgmt duties taken away!!?? It's on him as much as anybody!!

As for Sherm Lewis, the term is "agism" not "racism" - 4 years spent calling bingo games evokes senior centers. As for meals on wheels - again, you clearly have zero clue what you're talking about.

The primary targets here for racism in whatever form or guise are JC and Snyder (may he rot in hell).

The disparaging comments about Lewis (I have seen few - maybe there are some nasty ones) reflect the fact that he's not "the answer" - he's a stop gap measure, nothing more. I wish him well - and who here would not be pumped if his play calling leads to points against the Eagles and prevented what is probably going to be a 42 - 6 result?

And I would expect him to do better than Zorn if he can get the terminology down 2 weeks isn't a long time to call a pro game. But at the end of the day Lewis isn't a long term answer.

If not Russ Grim, I'd like to see some YOUNG BLOOD, someone with the f-ing raw energy and aggressiveness this team has been lacking for a loooooonnnnnggg time - something Gibbs 2.0 also lacked.

What Gruden did for Tampa, what Tomlin does for Pitt, what what's his face is doing at Denver. When we get that (the guy has to be competent and talented of course), AND Snyder can get the better of his blinding ego and hire a real GM - not a player personnel guy with a shaky track record, well, BINGO!

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 19, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Lets stop speaking in generalities anyway. He was able to step up fine on the pass play to Devin Thomas where he threw it out of bounds. There wasn't anyone in his face when he threw the ball at Santana's feet. These are the kinda plays that happen week in and week out. Healthy offensive line or not.

The offensive line is a big issue, but it's not what accounts for deficiencies in Campbell's game that have been evident for the past 3 years.


Posted by: dfbovey

The pass to Thomas was in part on Thomas. When a player runs a sideline pattern, they WR has to stay a few feet from the sideline so the QB has room to throw it. Same as with the fade.

On the pass to Moss, it looked like Campbell's fault, but not sure if Moss was where he needed to be.

On Collins' long throw to Moss, it looked like Moss slowed a bit, then accelerated and had to extend to make the catch. If Moss doesn't slow, I think he catches that ball in stride and scores

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 19, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

What'd you put her in charge!? It's game over man!

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 19, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

This is the number one, major reason why this team fails. The offensive line. Clearly the defense is able to keep this team in games even with the problems at cornerback and the fact that Haynesworth hasn't yet found his niche in this defense ... and Orapko is really on a steep learning curve. But they do have talent.

This is not the case on the offensive line.

Posted by: periculum

Periculum,
That offensive line was not the only difference. They had a head coach who knew how to run the offense and they had a smash mouth style that allowed the offensive linemen to wear down defenses. Yes, the offensive line was far better then than now, but no, that wasn't the only difference.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: opita1 | October 19, 2009 3:27 PM

Remember yesterday, they did not have that unit on the field.

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Yeah well he's not going to have that #1 OL for the rest of the season.

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On the other hand Collins is a more savvy QB, sees the field better, knows where his receivers are, finds them and distribute the ball faster and more accurate that Campbell.

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I didn't know taking a safety is a savvy veteran move?

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Here is an idea: The next head coach be a defensive coach, who has the nads to hire a young innovator as o-cord...

Wacky I know...


And how did we get on this racism top? Odd...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else think we will burn through our timeouts by the end of the 1st quarter? This has very little chance of being anything other than embarrassing.

Posted by: will_ga | October 19, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Thought the same thing to myself as soon as I heard the news. I think this whole mess is a blessing in disguise though. Who were we, thinking that we had a chance with this team. I'm hoping for a complete shilacking this Monday on national television. This way, I can hope that maybe Danny will wake up and come to terms with what he has created, and realize what he needs to do in order to let this team succeed. And we all know what that is....

I'll always be a fan, but damm it really sucks being one right now.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 19, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I have heard it all it was Devin Thomas(s) fault that Campbell led him out of bounds with that pass!!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

HAHA We are such a joke to other teams!! Its really a joke. If Zorn had any pride he would have told Vinnie To go "F" himself and quit right there.

Posted by: cromag23 | October 19, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

HAHA We are such a joke to other teams!! Its really a joke. If Zorn had any pride he would have told Vinnie To go "F" himself and quit right there.

Posted by: cromag23 | October 19, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is a horrible leader. With everything that's going on, and he doesn't have the cojones to come to step up and face the media.

I'd tell it to his face.... he's a PU$$Y!

Posted by: Monk81_Green28 | October 19, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Why aren't we considering Tom Cruise at Coach or QB? Freakzilla, people don't think Sherm will do well because he is geriatric and hasn't coached in 5 years. Oh and "geriatric" is a code word for black, but so is every word in the English language.

Posted by: wdv1137 | October 19, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Freakzilla, Nothing racist about the Sherm Lewis remarks. The bingo and meals on wheels references - that's what he was doing before the call from the Redskins. Calling bingo games and helping with meals on wheels. Get your head out of the sand.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 19, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know taking a safety is a savvy veteran move?

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 3:34 PM

You must have been getting another beer when it did happen, or maybe the smoke didn't let you see things more clear. Go back and review the tape and then you will understand why it happened.

And no one said he was going to have the #1 OL in the field. But one guy has proven that no matter who plays with him or who coaches him, he is a total bust. Now lets see what the other guy can do if you let him have a least one week of rep time during practice.

Posted by: opita1 | October 19, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know taking a safety is a savvy veteran move?

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 3:34 PM

Why? When the Skins got to kickoff they had a chance of recovering the onside kick around midfield. This is what was in Collins' mind when taking the safety.

Posted by: wdv1137 | October 19, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I am sickened by the racism on this blog.

All of these attacks on Sherm Lewis' playcalling abilities, before he's even called a play for us, and why? Because he's an African-American. That's why.

And all of this talk of "bingo" and "Meals on Wheels"? Code words for "black."

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

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WOW, Playing The Race Card! Classic Moronic Response!! Take Your freaknIdiot accusations and shove them up your liberal a$$!!!

Posted by: Spanglerg | October 19, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I am delighted by the racism on this blog. We need to stop these "Meals on Wheels" from getting too many coaching positions in the NFL. Next thing you know everything will be run by "Bingo's" .

Posted by: wdv1137 | October 19, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

We stink.

Posted by: JBuss | October 19, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Even Dexter Manley can read from this situtation that Vinny Cerrato has to go...

Posted by: tmcmullins | October 19, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

There have been complaints about the fans at Fed Ex booing the home team, well I was out there yesterday and the crowd was really into the game at the opening kickoff. Most people were on their feet, yelling loudly. By halftime though, the Home team took the crowd completly out of the game and there was nothing left to do but boo the far below average Football that was being played on the field.

Posted by: Monkman63 | October 19, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I am no fan of Zorn, but you really gotta feel sorry for the guy. What other job in the world would a boss treat an employee like this and the employee take it?

Posted by: nigt | October 19, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The way their meddling maybe Vinny and Danny boy should do the play calling.

Posted by: markreginald | October 19, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Zorn, who now relays the play calls to the QB, is now the guy from the movie Office Space who relays the specs to the engineers.
I'm sure that after the eagle's game, Snyder will play the role of Bob Slidell and ask Zorn "What exactly is it that you do here?"

Posted by: Predator48 | October 19, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I went to the doctor and they told me the growth under my skin was B-9 (benign!!)

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | October 19, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I am sickened by the racism on this blog.

All of these attacks on Sherm Lewis' playcalling abilities, before he's even called a play for us, and why? Because he's an African-American. That's why.

And all of this talk of "bingo" and "Meals on Wheels"? Code words for "black."

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

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YOUR RACE CARD has been revoked for improper use... LOL ... I know you can't be serious... You don't bring a guy off the streets & tell him to call plays now. All of these moves are intended to make Zorn quit, so he doesn't get paid for the remaining years on his contract. The question is, who will blink first? Snyderato or Zorn?

Posted by: tony325 | October 19, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Tell DannyBoy to send Zorn some melting ice cream and a plasma TV. Worked awfully well for Coles.

Personally, I'm getting pretty tired of Snyder's passive-aggressive, all your toys are belong to me attitude. Perhaps he's setting Vinny out to dry, which would be a plus, and this madness is Vinny rearranging chairs, but I hate that Zorn (even though he does seems pretty obviously overmatched for a position he never asked to interview for) is getting burned up with the Cerratonator.

Still, the undermining, half-baked ideas (from bingo to play caller in two weeks; can he really know the terminology well enough to call plays?) reek of DannyBoy.

Posted by: WorstSeat | October 19, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is a horrible leader. With everything that's going on, and he doesn't have the cojones to come to step up and face the media.

I'd tell it to his face.... he's a PU$$Y!

Posted by: Monk81_Green28 | October 19, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

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After you take out his bodyguards... lol

Posted by: tony325 | October 19, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Freakzilla, I'm afraid you're the racist with those comments.

Posted by: impeachemall | October 19, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

El Beepo

Posted by: Predator48 | October 19, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is no loser. He has much more class than the people he works for. He is willing to gut out a difficult situation to the end. I have more respect for him now than I did yesterday.

He may or may not be HC material, but he was put in this situation by others and they are not making it any easier for him. The problems with this team are not all his making by a long shot and make him look worse than he would if he had the proper personnel to run his offense, say at least an adequate offensive line.

I would like it better if he told Mr Cerrato that he is the coach and he will be calling the plays. But Zorn seems to see that the Skins are scoring so few points these days that he is willing to take his ego out of it and give this a try in the interests of honestly trying to improve things. That, too, I think takes some guts.

Posted by: cannontl | October 19, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Its the o-line.

Fix that, and simply maintain the (admittedly average) quality of the rest of the offense, and you've got a playoff team. With a good o-line, we beat the other average teams e.g., Cowboys, Eagles, Cardinals, 49'ers, Packers, etc.

Sadly, anybody know how to refurbish an o-line in 1-2 years?

Posted by: ChrisDC | October 19, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Ashburn is the scene of an easily-predictable train wreck (thanks, JLC) and I know it's very hard to look away right now. But are we truly riveted by the huffing and puffing about Campbell v.s. Collins, or Zorn v.s. Sherman, or Gruden v.s. Shanahan? It's all phony nonsense.

The problem is and has always been Dan Snyder. All changes are cosmetic until he's gone.

If someone want to claim that Snyder's OK as long as he hires a GM and gets out of the way, I point to the Marty Schottenheimer's short stay in Washington. Snyder isn't capable of getting out of the way. So he must be forced out.

Fans must BOYCOTT the Redskins. It will probably take three years (or five if the boycott is half-hearted) but it CAN be done and it WILL WORK.

Until then, the only thing still interesting about the Redskins is the Burgundy Revolution. And sadly this is coming from a fan since '72.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 19, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Having lived through the short but awful tenure of Booby Petrino in ATL, I respect Jim Zorn for riding out this nightmare. I think he cares about his players and wouldn't abandon ship in that way. Plus, if $nyder fires him he'll take as much of the Danny's cash as he can! Good for you Jim!!!

Assuming Sherm's play calling results in loss #4 of a 3-13 season (hoping to beat Oakland), it will demonstrate yet another foolish decision by Ninny Cerato.

Maybe Vinny could hire Elmo to motivate his team! It makes about as much sense as anything else he's done.

Posted by: mdflorals | October 19, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Well, my goodness....here I sit in Georgia watching my beloved Redskins fall week after week after week. I think the change in play calling duties is a good move. I doubt Sherman Lewis will be any better at it than JZ, but it at least tells me that Dan sees how bad things are and that he MAY be willing to begin making significant changes. Major changes are necessary in order to right our ship, and I for one, am glad that a change (any change) has been made....including JZs decision to bench JC yesterday. I am just relieved to see change of some kind. Dan has to know that the current path is just not working. I sincerely hope that Portis, Betts, Smoot, JC, ARE find new homes elsewhere at seasons end. I hope our team completely disbands our O Line (Samuels included), and brings in about 7 offensive linemen to build from the ground floor up, and to build up together as teammates.

Smoke 'em if ya got 'em...

Heres to next year!

Hail!!

Posted by: httr20081 | October 19, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Battle Under the Big Top: Redskins v Raiders 13 December 2009.

Lil' Dan and his Bingo-boys challenge title holder Al Davis, Knockout Tom Cable and the Raiders for the title of the Biggest Circus in Professional Sports.

Let's get ready to FUMMMMMM-ble!

Posted by: JPBrown56 | October 19, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

As bad as I feel for how Zorn is being treated, it would have been more humane and better for team unity to have fired him after the KC game. As ugly as it is now, it can get worse with a 'consultant' who has been retired for 5 years calling the plays on Monday night against Philly. Sherm Lewis was a good O-Coordinator on Holmgren's staff, but don't forget he called the plays for one year (1999) and it was one of Green Bay's worse years in the Favre era. Second, he's been out of the game for 5 years, doesn't know our personnel, and the team is in turmoil. Snyder must be paying him big $$$'s to take on this job.

What's sadder is that any NFL observer looking at the Redskins circus would stay as far away from their head coaching job as possible. Unless Vinny is cut loose after the season and Shanahan is given complete control, he's not going to coach here. Gruden, Cowher, Dungy, Billick, and Holmgren know this is not a place to go to win Super Bowls.

It's going to be a major rebuilding job for a team with 17 vets over 30 and a lack of talented young players due to the poor personnel moves over the last decade. I shudder to think how many bad years we'll hae to endure even if a real GM is hired to rebuild the team!!

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 19, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

As some have already mentioned, since next year may be an uncapped year, the Skins could cut a lot of aging veterans and get a head start on rebuilding. Snyder would have to pay whatever guaranteed money was due, but there would not be a cap for it to count against.

Posted by: cannontl | October 19, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

whatever happened to some good ol smash mouth football? 50 gut baby!

Posted by: pquick6165 | October 19, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"Vinnie! You never TOLD me you wanted to score points! You told me you wanted a West Coast Offense! Points? OK, sure. But, then, we're going to have to get the ball in the endzone... I mean, one of our offensive players is actually going to have to have possession of it while it crosses the plane. You do understand that, right?"

"I'm just explaining because I want you to know that if that's the direction you want to go in, well, I'm not 110% comfortable with it, but I'm in board. I mean, what can I do? You're the boss."

"Gosh, golly, gee, Vinnie"

"I mean like, Zoinkers."

"Zow-wee"

"Sheesh"

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 19, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"This feels really hard, Vinnie."

"Guess you're pretty excited about Sherm calling plays, huh?"

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 19, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

My 3 steps to Salvation!

1) Go to all home games with visitor jersey on and cheer for visiting team at all times

2) After a few games somebody in the owners box picks up Synder over their head (visualize Darth Vader throwing the Emporer over the railing in "Return Of The Jedi") and tosses him to his death as he shoots lightning bolts from his fingertips. I think it would be John Riggins playing the part of Vader.

3) We can once again be Redskins fans without wanting to stab our own eyes out every Sunday!

Posted by: jacksonalex | October 20, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

I have to laugh at some folks who continue to blame a single or group of players. You could hire every NY Giants player and coach tomorrow, and by the end of next year they would be losers.
There is only one way to fix this team:
Abandon your season tickets (like I did), and stop buying Redskins junk(heaven forbid!) and lining Danny's fat pockets.

As long as fans are boo-hooing but still attending games, there will be no change.

Get a life, and take a good look at the Ravens. They are playing the "Redskins football" I grew up to love. Not these guys.

Posted by: XSkinsfan1 | October 22, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

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