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Zorn: Tryon 'Very Heads Up'

Second-year cornerback Justin Tryon impressed Coach Jim Zorn in Sunday's 16-13 victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Playing in the slot as the nickel corner, Tryon was effective in man and zone coverage, had a sack on a corner blitz and tackled well.

Could Tryon, who played ahead of cornerback Fred Smoot on Sunday, be emerging as one of the more productive members of a mostly unproductive 2008 draft class?

"He had a tremendous game. He played very tight coverage. He did what we asked him to do as far as coming in at that nickel position and playing man coverage," Zorn said. "He was very heads up in some of the tackles. He put pressure on the quarterback. He got himself a sack. He was very active and we hope that he continues to improve, and I can imagine he can."


As for Smoot's role moving forward, "I think Fred [Smoot] has tremendous value as well," Zorn said. "It was just Justin's opportunity and he did well with it. As Fred works into the schemes, we hope he makes plays as well."

Tryon could carve a niche for himself if he continued to apply pressure effectively on corner blitzes. "I look at the corner blitz as a change of pace to keep an offense a little off-balance," Zorn said. "For a quarterback, if you know that the corner blitz is coming the quarterback is looking. You are kind of aware that we have that end. It makes the quarterback uncomfortable just to know that this is an added element we had to the game."

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Not ready to annoint Tryon as the second coming of Darrel Green, but he did play a good game against a bad team. I guess the team's patience with him has finally been rewarded. It would be nice to see the younger corners start to emerge, so the team won't feel forced to re-sign "Ten Thumbs" Rogers next year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2009 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Rogers is probably one of the most overated corners in the league. I wouldn't want him signed long term. For what 2 dopped picks a game and a 15 yard cushion! No thanks!

Posted by: joeboggs | October 6, 2009 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Not ready to annoint Tryon as the second coming of Darrel Green, but he did play a good game against a bad team. I guess the team's patience with him has finally been rewarded. It would be nice to see the younger corners start to emerge, so the team won't feel forced to re-sign "Ten Thumbs" Rogers next year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2009 6:31 AM | Report abuse

You give Rogers too much credit refering to him as "Ten Thumbs"!! With ten thumbs he should still be able to catch 10 percent of the potential interceptions thrown at his #22! Perhaps he should be called "handless".

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | October 6, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

"Zorn: Tryon 'Very Heads Up'"


Tyron ascending begs one question: will Smoot be a goner next off season?

Probably.

That means the list of soon-to-be-ex-redskins continues to grow:

Casey Rabach
Fred Smoot
Randy Thomas
Andre Carter
Antwan Randle El

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

not to beat a dead horse, but take a look at the box score from the GB/Minn game, and look at the number of catches that the TE/WR's had for the game. Its spread out, 6, 4, 4, 3, 4, this is the problem with the Redskins offense. Usually for them, its 10, 5, 1, 1, 1, or some sequence that is completely unbalanced. If Aaron Rogers can do it, why can't cambell....

oh and I think Jared Allen just sacked rogers again.....that cat is flat out good....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

That means the list of soon-to-be-ex-redskins continues to grow:

Casey Rabach
Fred Smoot
Randy Thomas
Andre Carter
Antwan Randle El

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 8:20 AM

Moe gets one right out of five guesses. That's pretty weak, MistaMoe.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 6, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

moe, agreed on smooter, that bell started ringing the moment they drafted barnes....this is from the times, Redskins player of the game just lost his job:

Hitting the right upright from 49 yards and missing wide left from 48 yards on Sunday at Washington was the death knell for kicker Mike Nugent.

Tampa Bay just announced that it signed kicker Shane Andrus, who had been in training camp with Indianapolis and kicked off for the Colts in their opener, and cut Nugent.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

That means the list of soon-to-be-ex-redskins continues to grow:

Casey Rabach
Fred Smoot
Randy Thomas
Andre Carter
Antwan Randle El

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse
___________________________

On that list, I think Randy Thomas and Smoot are probably the only two who'll be gone next year unless there is more production out of Kelly and Thomas as this season progresses. Then I could see Randle El being cut loose.

I would definitely like to get rid of Carter though and move Orakpo to RDE permanently. Draft or sign a solid strong side LB. Orakpo only makes sense as a LB in a 3-4 defense. I'd also like to have Landry move back to SS and get someone else back there at FS.

I'd be happy if they'd ignore all those issues though and draft several offensive lineman early in the draft.

Those who don't want Rogers back next year, be careful what you ask for. There are lots of holes to fill on this team and adding starting corner to the list wouldn't be wise IMO.


Posted by: dfbovey | October 6, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't bother me that Tampa is a bad Team. I am more concerned that Tryon was able to play man to man up close D' and he just tackles instead of setting himself up for the big hit miss/flop like some of our so called star's, uhhh' starters, I mean.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 6, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Shocker, in the end we still here the same problem from the experts. We have no line and no 2nd widout... we heard that last year didnt we?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

A couple of comments about 2 illustrious Skins alums.

1. Jon Jansen. Did not play in the Bears game. Dud should retire and invest his Skins $$$ wisely in CDOs.

2. Shawn Springs. Started for the Pats against Balt. Had 7 tacks to lead the Pats in that cat. The Spring Man bringing the wood! Plus Flack did not have a very good day, but I didn't see any pass stats for Springs - passes defended, ints. Mebbe Balt didn't throw anything his way.

Posted by: GasFace | October 6, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Those who don't want Rogers back next year, be careful what you ask for. There are lots of holes to fill on this team and adding starting corner to the list wouldn't be wise IMO.


Posted by: dfbovey | October 6, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Bully

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Usually I don't become this apathetic until week 10 or 11. Hopefully next season will be better.

Posted by: NFeKPo | October 6, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

jansen should have retired when the Skins gave him the chance, and gone out with some dignity....

I couldn't care less about springs....to be honest...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I'll take rogers back for the vet minimum, and no signing bonus....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

"...one right out of five guesses. That's pretty weak, MistaMoe."

Let's review the list, shall we?

Casey Rabach--seemed to get handled--again--by the bucs' large defensive tackle(s)

Fred Smoot--beat out by Tyron and Barnes is in the wings

Randy Thomas--can't stay healthy, he's 33

Andre Carter--doesn't produce sacks/pressure in the way B Orakpo might; teams run draw plays at him and get yards

Antwan Randle El--lame as a punt returner and you'd get more productivity with Moss inthe slot

So which 'one' pick did I get right?

I'd say they are all dead on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

My little nephew (he is in 4th grade) lives in VA, parents are from VA, and his whole family are Skins fans but he is a Ravens fan. Why you ask, because everybody in his school makes fun of the redskins therefore he chose to root for the other team. I can't say i really blame him. I have tried my best to draw him back to the good side but what can you say when they lose to the Lions.

Posted by: NFeKPo | October 6, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Ex-Redskins that won't be around next year.

Oh Please People!!!

Yawl act like the Redskins have already changed there ways and are really going to cut some unperforming baggage.

I will believe it when I see it. We have been carrying too many players for years that should have been long gone.

I was shocked when we let Jansen go. But we should have let 3-4 others go as well.

The Redskins retooling sounds like they want to get tough. A novel idea for them.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 6, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

dfbovey

"...unless there is more production out of Kelly and Thomas as this season progresses."

We can't ask for more production out of players not on the field.

Mitchell, Thomas, Cooley, Kelly would be an interesting 3/4-wide formation as, if anything, Soup would have look for someone other than #89 and #82 to throw to.

Last night, the vikes seemed to have plays where young receivers (Rice, Harvin, Berrian)were isolated and put into position to make plays.

Let's get some of that, please, before passing judgement on the young'ns we have.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

look at moe, bringing the wisdom on a Tuesday morning....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

So which 'one' pick did I get right?

I'd say they are all dead on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

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I don't disagree with your assessment of those players, but I don't think Rabach will be cut when there are so many other needs to fill across the offensive line. He's the least of the problems.

The others, I'd have to see what the salary cap ramifications would be. If there is a cap savings for cutting Randle El, then he might be gone. If it would cost them money to cut Carter or Randle El, then I don't see it happening.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 6, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Moe - it becomes difficult to run 3-4 WR sets when your line (particularly your RT {see the 3rd play sack and fumble}) is getting blown backwards into your QB.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I always support the head coach, he has a job to do, with what he has. But this O-line is maybe the worst line we have ever had since the 60s. Mark Rypen was an average QB at best. Joe Gibbs collected QBs that could throw the ball 80 yards down field. The 91" O-line gave Ryp an average of 4.5 seconds to throw the ball (or more) that's how we won games run, run, run some more then play action Deeeeeeeeep. JC is a great deep ball thrower.(Gibbs drafted him for this) not very smart. slow to read the field and does not have any where near 4.5 seconds on most downs and the D we are seeing do not respect our running game. We NEED a new O-line and will continue to be mediocre at best until that happens. Zorn and JC are NOT the main problem. there not great yet and they could be, but not with this O-line.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | October 6, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

if there is no cba, resulting in no cap, then you can add all bloted salaries to to moes list, like CP and betts

Posted by: hcic55 | October 6, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

bloated

Posted by: hcic55 | October 6, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

jansen should have retired when the Skins gave him the chance, and gone out with some dignity....

I couldn't care less about springs....to be honest...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 8:42 AM |

My comments were meant to be sarcastic. They were both jerks.

Posted by: GasFace | October 6, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

"...unless there is more production out of Kelly and Thomas as this season progresses."

We can't ask for more production out of players not on the field.

Mitchell, Thomas, Cooley, Kelly would be an interesting 3/4-wide formation as, if anything, Soup would have look for someone other than #89 and #82 to throw to.

Last night, the vikes seemed to have plays where young receivers (Rice, Harvin, Berrian)were isolated and put into position to make plays.

Let's get some of that, please, before passing judgement on the young'ns we have.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

_____________________

I definitely agree. I'd rather see what Marko Mitchell can bring to the table than see the same old things from Randle El.

I'm just not sure that they would be able to cut certain dead weight players due to the salary cap. Same reasons why they carried Jon Jansen for 2-3 years longer than they should have.

That could change with the CBA and potential uncapped year. But that's all an unknown.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 6, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

not to beat a dead horse, but take a look at the box score from the GB/Minn game, and look at the number of catches that the TE/WR's had for the game. Its spread out, 6, 4, 4, 3, 4, this is the problem with the Redskins offense. Usually for them, its 10, 5, 1, 1, 1, or some sequence that is completely unbalanced. If Aaron Rogers can do it, why can't cambell....

oh and I think Jared Allen just sacked rogers again.....that cat is flat out good....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers was seen as a top 5 pick in the 2005 draft and was widely regarded as the best QB prospect of the class. Alex Smith went first but a lot of people didn't like a guy who just beat up on MWC teams. He should not have fallen to the latter part of the round. Jason Campbell was seen as a mid second round guy that would only win if surrounded by talent. They are exactly what they were supposed to be. Aaron Rodgers is also responsible for about 14 million dollars of their salary cap this year. He will probably eat up about 12 million next year too. Green Bay will have to let some of their young talent go because of it. Jason I think is under 2 million. Jason will allow us to keep any young talent we develop. It's really just 2 different strategies to team building. Do you want to have an awesome defense and a mediocre offense or an awesome offense and mediocre defense?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

rypien

Yeah, we kinda definately do need a strong right tackle.

Did anyone notice how well Phil Loadholdt played last night for the vikes?

If you didn't hear his name, that means he did a good job.

Odd thing is, Mr Cerrato said Loadholt, along with the other tackle prospects in last year's draft, wasn't worth adding to the roster.

But somehow, the failed Mike Williams was.

Imagine that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

We can't ask for more production out of players not on the field.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 8:53 AM |

There's a reason they are not on the field. When they are on the field they screw up - don't get open, run the wrong routes, etc. So we just grit our tooths and try to live thorough it, like we have with the Archuleta/Lloyd/Carter/ARE fiasco.

Posted by: GasFace | October 6, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I'll take rogers back for the vet minimum, and no signing bonus....
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 8:45 AM

After DHall's contract, I doubt Rogers or his agent would be willing to sign here for anywhere close to the vet min. Can't catch a lick but he's bound to have some pride.

Posted by: will_ga | October 6, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: GasFace | October 6, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Fantastic Blog Handle!

If next year is uncapped I can see a bunch of those guys that Moe listed being cut loose. An uncapped year is a perfect opportunity to shed cap money and (shudder) start fresh.

Does the front office have the cojones to do it? That's the $65k question.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 6, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, and get a younger O-line coach that does not show favoritism to older vets and gets the young guys "coached up" (anyone can coach talent, great coaches make average players great). Best free agent to throw a fistful of sweaty money at is GM Bill Polian

Posted by: boysheadcoach | October 6, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

We are only 4 games in and there is already talks of who we are drafting in 2010. I love it. It is angering that the OL's Oher and Loadholt are both playing well. Orakpo has 2 sacks though, more to come if he plays DE more. But the O line would have been nice to upgrade.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

There's a reason they are not on the field. When they are on the field they screw up - don't get open, run the wrong routes, etc. So we just grit our tooths and try to live thorough it, like we have with the Archuleta/Lloyd/Carter/ARE fiasco.


Posted by: GasFace | October 6, 2009 9:09 AM |

This is BS so we are the only team in the league that has young WR's that can't run routes. Other coaches know how to use players when there young, you setup certain plays for them and then have them do it.

Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell would be starting for any other team in the NFL, because that coach would know how to use them.

To keep putting ATE back on Punt returns is a joke, I new he couldn't return punts very well but atleast he used to catch them. He just lets them hit the ground now he cost us like 30 yards in field position by not catching two punts.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm praying for an uncapped 2010.

Redskin nation - just put it out of your heads... instead of Landry we could have have Peterson... instead of MK, DT, FD... DeSean Jackson... Mario Manningham...

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Does the front office have the cojones to do it? That's the $65k question.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 6, 2009 9:11 AM |

That's actually the multi million dollar question and I think the answer is, if there are enough high priced, big name free agents out there to fill all those positions then look out new team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I'm praying for an uncapped 2010.

Redskin nation - just put it out of your heads... instead of Landry we could have have Peterson... instead of MK, DT, FD... DeSean Jackson... Mario Manningham...

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 9:20 AM |

This continued shoulda, woulda, coulda is counterproductive and stupid. We didn't and we don't case closed, move on.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

look at moe, bringing the wisdom on a Tuesday morning....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 8:55 AM |

Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell would be starting for any other team in the NFL ...

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 9:15 AM |

Look at flounder, bringing the humor on a tuesday morning ...

Posted by: GasFace | October 6, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Ummm, I will take Aaron Rodgers over Campbell 100 times out of 100. You do realize there are plenty of other teams that have $10-14 million per year QB's that still manage to have talent everywhere else. They don't waste money on mediocre or scrub talent like we do at other positions.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 6, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

After DHall's contract, I doubt Rogers or his agent would be willing to sign here for anywhere close to the vet min. Can't catch a lick but he's bound to have some pride.

Posted by: will_ga | October 6, 2009 9:10 AM |

We don't have anyone to replace him. Are you nsaying another free agent signing? This time a big name corner?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

"Aaron Rodgers was seen as a top 5 pick in the 2005 draft and was widely regarded as the best QB prospect of the class. Alex Smith went first but a lot of people didn't like a guy who just beat up on MWC teams. He should not have fallen to the latter part of the round. Jason Campbell was seen as a mid second round guy that would only win if surrounded by talent." Posted by: PAskinsfan17

Not quite the way I recall it. Aaron Rodgers fell because because of questions about how he'd perform outside of a gimmicky Jeff Tedford offense (remember Kyle Boller?). The scouts thought he'd need at least a couple seasons to unlearn and relearn the position the way the NFL plays it, and they were probably right. Going to Green Bay worked to his benefit.

Jason Campbell was a late riser, based in large part on Auburn's success. Nobody questioned his arm or head; most of the questions centered on why he only played well for one season. If the Tigers hadn't finished undefeated, he'd probably have gone very early in the second round, that's true.

Alex Smith is a mystery. He's a talented guy, but so was Tim Couch, and we know how that turned out.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 6, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Flound,

Your overall point is solid, but it comes crashing down with this statement:

"Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell would be starting for any other team in the NFL, because that coach would know how to use them."

C'mon man, no they wouldn't. Are they under/poorly used, yes. Are they legit starters on most teams. No. GB has two TEs that Davis wouldn't beat out....

I'd be hard pressed to name 3/4 teams where 12/11 would be automatic starters on.

The truth is that, while being mishandled, some of it is on them. Or Vinny for overvaluing them.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Look at flounder, bringing the humor on a tuesday morning ...

Posted by: GasFace | October 6, 2009 9:23 AM |

None of the young guys are great route runers coming out of college. You use what they have an get them on the field.

This team has always been afraid to play youth, with the exeption of the defense on a few occasions.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

People have touched on it, but after last night, does any feel that GB actually has bigger problems on the o-line then the Redskins? It sure appeared that way.

And the Vikings line - Farve had 7.4 seconds to throw one pass - JC could eat that up!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 6, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

We don't have anyone to replace him. Are you nsaying another free agent signing? This time a big name corner?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 9:25 AM |

I think I agree with this reasoning. Carlos isn't a bad corner, he's just not a play maker. I'd keep him and maybe keep looking to the draft, or at getting a solid vet for depth. Now, I don't think he should be paid as a top 5 corner, but anywhere in the top 10-15 at his position seems reasonable to me.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

fred smoot is garbage.

Posted by: BMACattack | October 6, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

This continued shoulda, woulda, coulda is counterproductive and stupid. We didn't and we don't case closed, move on.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Because anything else we do here is productive?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

C'mon man, no they wouldn't. Are they under/poorly used, yes. Are they legit starters on most teams. No. GB has two TEs that Davis wouldn't beat out....

I'd be hard pressed to name 3/4 teams where 12/11 would be automatic starters on.

The truth is that, while being mishandled, some of it is on them. Or Vinny for overvaluing them.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 9:26 AM |

CL,

I didn't mention Davis.

Okay starter might be agrressive but they would be used much more then we use them.

Anybody think Percy Harvin is a great route runner hell no he didn't even play receiver in college that much. The Vikes use what he has and he is doing a great job.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I am not sure how bad GB's oline is or that the Vikes DLine is just that beast. Whateves they dominated last night (Although Rogers still had a decent game...)

The amount of time Favre had to throw was almost like nothing I have ever seen.

Vikings are tough they are dominant on both sides with so special skill people as well. That winfield kid at CB is like a rocket with brains...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Tryon is short but actually quite strong, and has said since before the draft that he prefers playing against taller receivers because it's easier to stay with them and knock them off their routes than the small, really quick guys.

Maybe he's just getting better. I'm sure the learning curve isn't finished, however.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 6, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Like I said Flound, your thesis is/was solid, but hyperbole weakens your argument.

Just some constructive criticism.

but Harvin is > MK/DT I think...although I agree we don't really get a chance to see....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

This continued shoulda, woulda, coulda is counterproductive and stupid. We didn't and we don't case closed, move on.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Because anything else we do here is productive?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 9:30 AM |

Good point.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I remember in '05, I was praying that Green Bay would pass on Rodgers so we could pounce.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 6, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: srobert1117 | October 6, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know what was up with Peterson last night?

He get hurt?

If not that was about the only part of GB's game plan that was well executed. Anytime you hold him to 55 yds rushing and force a fumble you have to like your chances.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 6, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me, being the athlete that Marko Mitchell is (speed and vertical jumping ability) not to mention his desire to succeed (being a 7th rounder and making the team, accolades from the DBs on our team) would be worth suiting up and playing. Deactivate Davis and suit up Marko. The dude can get open. Hell at least send him on a go route and let Campbell air it out to him. I bet he would try his a$$ off to go up and grab any pass thrown his way. Not playing him is a major mistake in my mind.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I think that the 3 have been under utilized this year, and whether thats on JC, JZ, or the WR Coach, I'm not sure. I'm not sure why if there are certain routes that they're good at, why don't we have them run those routes to get them the ball.

I'm curious to see how this workout with Chris Henry goes. He's got good size, good speed, lets dump rock, make LBetts/DT the kr guys, and work henry into this mix...get the ball to guys who can run fast..how hard can that be?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Little Napoleon making National News

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/sports/Snyder-Steals-Your-Bags-63539812.html

Posted by: srobert1117 | October 6, 2009 9:37 AM |

What an egomaniac.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Ummm, I will take Aaron Rodgers over Campbell 100 times out of 100. You do realize there are plenty of other teams that have $10-14 million per year QB's that still manage to have talent everywhere else. They don't waste money on mediocre or scrub talent like we do at other positions.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 6, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Yeah they do. What team doesn't have scrub talent? Big Ben, Eli, Tom Brady, and all got paid after they won their super bowls. Those teams are now shedding talent. New England lost most of their good defense. Pittsburgh has a bunch of scrubs for an offensive line and the Giants had to get rid of all their receivers and a running back. Those are just the good teams with 10-15 million dollar QBs. The Saints, Colts, and Vikings look good this year but what about the Bears, Jaguars, Raiders, Seahawks, Chiefs, Rams, Bengals, Eagles, 49ers, Panthers, and Cowboys? Just having a 10-15 million dollar QB doesn't make you a contender.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Green Bay was loading up to stop Peterson and make Favre beat them which he did. They are wasting the talent of Aaron Kampman playing coverage rather than rushing the QB in that switch to the 3-4. Even our receivers could get open with that much time.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 6, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

cl, minny has a BEAST Dline...WOW, I knew that Allen was good, but he's on another planet. Granted the GB Tackle was some average joe, and I didn't see Allen getting chipped, or the Tackle getting help, but allen just moved that cat back, and anywhere he wanted. JAllen doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

gasface

"There's a reason they--Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell--are not on the field."


Actually, there's a reason why I hate this argument.

When a team drafts a guy, it's because a coordinator has drawn up a series or package of simple plays where it's believed the kid can be effective on day one.

So far, we've seen the jints find use Manningham/Nicks, the colts Anthony Gonzalez/Pierre Garcon, the saints Colston/Bush, the iggles DeSean Jackson, the broncos Eddie Royal, so on and so on.

And Jim Zorn can't do that Kelly, Mitchell, Thomas, Davis...? C'mon, now.

Sheesh...so much for the alleged offensive genius label they strapped to Zorn's forehead.

It doesn't fit like the young receivers don't seem to fit the roster.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know what was up with Peterson last night?

He get hurt?

If not that was about the only part of GB's game plan that was well executed. Anytime you hold him to 55 yds rushing and force a fumble you have to like your chances.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 6, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse
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Yeah, they just had a good scheme against him, kinda like what the Redskins did against him when Gregg Williams was here. Lots of 8 and 9 man fronts.

Farve was definitely able to exploit that though.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 6, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

People have touched on it, but after last night, does any feel that GB actually has bigger problems on the o-line then the Redskins? It sure appeared that way.

And the Vikings line - Farve had 7.4 seconds to throw one pass - JC could eat that up!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 6, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse


That's my point entirely. Instead of throwing a 14 million dollar QB behind a crappy line and sucky defense let's throw our 2 million dollar QB behind a great line and good defense. We've already got the defense and the 2 million dollar QB. Just get the line. We can afford to keep almost our whole team and get some new linemen in the draft.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"Anybody think Percy Harvin is a great route runner hell no he didn't even play receiver in college that much."

He was a great high school quarterback the mighty Gators turned into a offensive utility player.

He was the one player I hoped Vinny would 'screw up' and draft.

The vikes just give him some simple things to do like the bears did Hester at wide receiver a few years ago..and now, they--da bears-- got one of the better ballcatchers in the league.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

That's my point entirely. Instead of throwing a 14 million dollar QB behind a crappy line and sucky defense let's throw our 2 million dollar QB behind a great line and good defense. We've already got the defense and the 2 million dollar QB. Just get the line. We can afford to keep almost our whole team and get some new linemen in the draft.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 9:49 AM |

Are QB stinks so no we don't have are 2mil dollar QB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Those teams are now shedding talent. New England lost most of their good defense. Pittsburgh has a bunch of scrubs for an offensive line and the Giants had to get rid of all their receivers

New England lost Harrison-old, Bruschi-old and washed up, Vrable-old, and Seymour, but got a first round pick. NE is playing very well defensively.

Pitt has an underrated offensive line, they're not great but they not lousy either.

NY is doing just fine with their WR's..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Just having a 10-15 million dollar QB doesn't make you a contender.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17
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But not having one makes you -not- a contender. Maybe that's a more important point?

Posted by: REXskins | October 6, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

creep, creep

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

creep, creep

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"Giants had to get rid of all their receivers "

Yeah and replaced them with like 4 players under 25 that were 1-3 round draft picks...hardly scrubs.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17 I think you might be on to something. Look at the recent success of young QB. I see teams that have a solid OL, strong running game, and some teams have very good defenses. Flacco, Ryan, Sanchez, may have more potential than JC at the QB position, but they are benefiting from the fact that they have talented players to support them while they learn on the job. It might make more sense for the skins to build the team's talent base first then draft a QB. Otherwise we may end up with another Ramsey, and JC situations on our hand.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I just feel like we need to shake things up a bit. I don't think this new RB we are "trying out" is gonna be a factor. I hope he turns out to be a beast and really helps us out, but again this goes back to talent use and recognition. I don't think Zorn would even know how to use a big fast back. Probably deactivate him for Rock and Betts. He's got no clue this guy.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

It's whats up front that counts people that's why the Ravens are winners Vinny nor Danny get it and they never will Rogers was sacked what? EIGHT TIMES!! last night and yet if not for a dropped pass in the end zone on fourth and goal, the Packers might have pulled it out. JC is not a bad QB just trapped in a situation where he can't win, Kid&Play(Kelly/Thomas) have not made one iota of progress since being drafted, the O-line for the upteenth time is a joke other than Dockerey and Samuels. Jim Zorn has no business coaching this team period,ok maybe qb coach but that's it. Look around the league, the Skins despite their record could make the playoffs but the defense will carry this team because the O line is old and injury prone with very little depth and the QB has been reduced to robot like status after being shabbily treated in the offseason.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 6, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I always support the head coach, he has a job to do, with what he has. But this O-line is maybe the worst line we have ever had since the 60s. Mark Rypen was an average QB at best. Joe Gibbs collected QBs that could throw the ball 80 yards down field. The 91" O-line gave Ryp an average of 4.5 seconds to throw the ball (or more) that's how we won games run, run, run some more then play action Deeeeeeeeep. JC is a great deep ball thrower.(Gibbs drafted him for this) not very smart. slow to read the field and does not have any where near 4.5 seconds on most downs and the D we are seeing do not respect our running game. We NEED a new O-line and will continue to be mediocre at best until that happens. Zorn and JC are NOT the main problem. there not great yet and they could be, but not with this O-line.

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Did anyone notice that after 1.25 seasons as head coach, in the third quarter of Sunday's game we actually ran the play action. And scored two touchdowns, fast. And we never went back to it, once. I'm not getting into the Campbell debate, but wow is Jim Zorn slow on the uptake. Certain things work, certain things don't. Exploit what's working. And stop trying to do stupid trick plays.

Posted by: kingtutts | October 6, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

That's my point entirely. Instead of throwing a 14 million dollar QB behind a crappy line and sucky defense let's throw our 2 million dollar QB behind a great line and good defense. We've already got the defense and the 2 million dollar QB. Just get the line. We can afford to keep almost our whole team and get some new linemen in the draft.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 9:49 AM |

Are QB stinks so no we don't have are 2mil dollar QB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse
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It doesn't matter who the QB is, if you have 7.4 seconds to throw the ball, you're gonna make a play. All this qb talk on this board is kind of hogwash, football is a team game, and there are only 3 qbs in this entire league that completely change a team. Campbell, Collins, Bradford, hell even Eli Manning, would not be successful on this team without adequate protection. The formula really is that simple.

Posted by: kingtutts | October 6, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"Giants had to get rid of all their receivers "

Yeah and replaced them with like 4 players under 25 that were 1-3 round draft picks...hardly scrubs.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse
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True. However, the Giants have one of the best offensive lines in football, allowing Eli to have time to make a good throw, forcing the receivers to catch the ball, rather than make a play to catch the ball. They also have an amazing running game, and a great coach who knows how to properly bring young guys into the league.

We have none of the above. None.

Posted by: kingtutts | October 6, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

For our uncapped year wish list, I would add:

Ben Rothlisberger, Pierre Thomas, Brandon Marshall, Dallas Clark,Chris Snee, Alex Brown, Vince Wilfork, Keith BUllock, Shawne Merrimon, Walt Harris and Ryan Clark.

If you're going to buy a Super Bowl, you might as well go to Tiffany's.

Signed,

George Steinbrenner

Posted by: ElYeah | October 6, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

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