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Taylor Said He 'Could Have Been Done' (Updated)

Jason Taylor just informed us that the surgery he had to relieve a blood mass in his left calf Monday morning was of critical importance. Taylor is on crutches with his left calf wrapped, and said that, at the time the emergency surgery was performed, he was told by doctors that with any further delay "you would be done forever." Taylor said at the time the surgery was performed he was told he could have lost range of motion in his foot. Waiting beyond that could have produced even more dire results.

"I was a little scared about that, and didn't quite understand why it had to be done so suddenly, and wanted to wait," Taylor said. "I actually wanted to wait till the sun came up ... But they kept stressing how important it was to get it done right away."

Taylor said he was told to sleep as much as possible and stay off his feet, with no timetable for a recovery. The injury, which Jim Zorn described Monday as "compartment syndrome," could have caused nerve damage and tissue necropsy and, if untreated, even death. He said he could miss from anywhere from a week to several months as his body heals. Taylor was kicked in the calf in the second quarter of the Redskins' victory Sunday. On Monday, Zorn said he had looked at game tape and no one was certain when the injury occurred.

Taylor had wanted to allow his body to heal more and hoped to delay the procedure until later in the day. The hospital got Redskins surgeon James Andrews on the phone at 5 a.m. and Andrews told them to put down the phone immediately and perform surgery.

"I still was a hard head," Taylor said. "Sometimes the things that make you good could be your demise, too. I was a hard head. I didn't want to do it. I wanted to wait. I wanted to let God try to heal it up some. Sometimes, I guess you've got to help Him out.

"It needed to be done immediately. I wanted to wait a couple of hours. They said, 'You don't have a couple of hours. We should have did it an hour ago.' It was one of those things where time's of the essence and we need to hurry up and do this right away."

As for his recovery, Taylor said, "Everyday it's getting a little better." As for his return to the football field: "Nobody knows when the body is going to respond, because everybody is different. It could be a week and it could be a couple of months."

By Jason La Canfora  |  September 24, 2008; 11:46 AM ET
 
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Holy Cow!

Posted by: Mike Patrick | September 24, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

you would be deal forever?

... even assuming that's a typo, what is that supposed to mean, "you would be dead forever?" dead forever? as opposed to just for a while?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

1st?

Posted by: bmo63 | September 24, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Part II Jurgensen and Meredith, Aces Wild
In the 1960's, the Cowboys steadily improved their team as general manager Tex Schramm provided coach Tom Landry with better and better talent. By 1966, they rose to a consistent playoff team with eight consecutive post-season appearances from 1966 through 1973. The Redskins, who hadn't made a playoff appearance since 1946, were stumbling their way to a 46-82-10 record through the decade often because Sonny Jurgensen and the offense couldn't outscore teams that the defense couldn't stop. It was frustrating for the team and the fans, but Charley Taylor, Bobby Mitchell and especially Jurgensen stoked the flames of hope. Author Jack Clary in the book Pro Football's Greatest Moments described Jurgensen. "In his prime, Sonny was the finest passer in the league. He consistently threw the ball farther, straighter, and with greater accuracy than Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, Fran Tarkenson, or Len Dawson ever did."

Dandy Don Meredith was the second starting quarterback in Cowboys history, finally supplanting Eddie LeBaron in 1965. Dallas would have better quarterbacks in its history, but Meredith was the first to lead them to a playoff appearance. Known for his leadership, Dandy Don affected a cowboy persona with a Texas drawl, a twinkle in his eye and mischievous smile to go along with a healthy sense of humor. He became a fan favorite in Dallas, and later, with the same personality, achieved national prominence as a member of the original Monday Night Football announcement crew.

In 1965 through 1967 Jurgensen and Meredith led their teams in four games that produced a combined total of 222 points with only 10 points of overall difference between the two teams.

November 28, 1965, DC Stadium. The Cowboys slapped the Skins with a 21-0 lead on a pass play, a running play and a 60 yard fumble recovery. Despite Jurgensen's 26 yard TD strike to Charley Taylor, the fans in the stands, as impatient as always, called for Sonny to be benched in favor of second string QB Dick Shiner. Jurgy drove the Redskins down field for a second touchdown to cut the Cowboys lead to 24-13. The Skins scored another touchdown on the ground to make it 24-20. Meredith tossed a 53 yard scoring strike to Frank Clarke. Against any other team the Redskins would have folded. Against the Cowboys, Jurgensen pulled another dart from his quiver with a 10 yard pass to Bobby Mitchell. Cowboys 31-27. The Boys couldn't move the ball but used a lot of clock. The Redskins got the ball on their 20 yard line with less than two minutes to go. Jurgy gained nine yards on a busted play. Chuck Howley was called for pass interference on the next play, then Jurgensen completed a 22 yard pass play to Jerry Smith. Next Jurgensen tossed a bomb to Bobby Mitchell that carried to the Dallas 5 yard line. Jurgensen's pass to tight end Angelo Coia gave the Redskins their first lead, 34-31, with about one minute to play.

Meredith was not done. He drove the Cowboys to the Redskins 37 yard line with seven seconds to go. With every orifice in every Redskins fan clinched tight, Danny Villaneuva attempted a tying field goal. It was blocked by Redskins defensive back Lonnie Sanders.

Jurgensen was 26 of 42 passes for 411 yards and 3 TD passes. He also ran for a score. The Redskins gained 51 yards on the ground.

November 13, 1966, DC Stadium. The Cowboys featured "the fastest man in football" in the person of Bob Hayes. He was dangerous. In the second quarter with the score 7-6 Dallas, Meredith threw a 52 yard touchdown bomb to Bullet Bob, followed in the third quarter with a 95 yard repeat. Cowboys 21-7. Washington scored three consecutive times with Jurgensen's 4 yard pass to Jerry Smith and 78 yard pass to Charlie Taylor, followed by a Charlie Gogolak field goal. Redskins 23-21. Meredith drove the Cowboys down field to set up a 1 yard TD run by Dan Reeves. The Skins came back on a drive ending with Jurgensen's 18 yard scoring toss to Charlie Taylor. Skins 30-28.

Meredith got the ball back with no timeouts and the Redskins playing deep prevent. He threw a 26 yard pass to Pete Gent. On the next play Meredith rolled out for a 12 yard gain and ran out of bounds, stopping the clock. The Redskins were 59 seconds from victory. Two plays to Walt Garrison were inconsequential. On third and nine, Meredith completed another pass to Pete Gent that carried the Cowboys to the Redskins 33. The Redskins mounted a strong pass rush to push the Cowboys out of field goal range. Meredith was hit just as he scrambled out of bounds. The penalty put the Boys on the Redskins 12 for an easy Villanueva field goal. Cowboys 31-30.

Meredith completed 21 of 28 passes for 406 yards and 2 TDs. Jurgensen was 26 of 35 for 347 yards and 3 scores.

December 11, 1966, The Cotton Bowl. The Redskins visited the Cowboys a short month later with memories fresh. The Redskins took a 10-7 lead at the half after linebacker John Reger recovered a block punt and ran it in for a score. Then the shootout commenced. Danny Villanueva kicked a tieing 26 yard field goal for the Cowboys and Bob Hays caught a 23 yard pass for for the 17-10 lead. The Redskins tied it up on Bobby Mitchell's 11 yard reception from Jurgensen. The Cowboys regained the lead when Dan Reeves stunned the Redskins with a 67 yard touchdown run. Cowboys 24-17. The Skins drove the field and scored on Jurgensen's 11 yard pass to Jerry Smith, only to have the Cowboys regain the lead with Don Perkins 6 yard touchdown run. Cowboys 31-24. Jurgensen hit Charlie Taylor with a 65 yard touchdown bomb that Taylor caught between two defenders. 31-31. The Skins got the ball back with two minutes to go.

From their 46 yard line, with the Cowboys defending the pass, Redskins running back A.D. Whitfield ran right for a 30 yard gain (fooled ya). The run set up Charlie Gogolak's winning field goal. Redskins 34-31.

October 8, 1967, DC Stadium. This was the lowest scoring of the four games. The Redskins led 14-10 with 70 seconds to go in the fourth quarter. The Cowboys took possession on their 29. Meredith completed a 17 yarder to Craig Baynham, who ran out of bounds. The next two plays were inconsequential. Meredith hit Lance Renzel for 12 yards and a second time for 6. On fourth down with 23 seconds remaining, Meredith hit an open Dan Reeves who beat out linebacker Chris Hanberger to score. Cowboys 17-14. After the kick-off with 7 seconds to go, Jurgensen pitched a long bomb (in the Cold War era, there were a lot of football references to "bombs") to Charlie Taylor, who was brought to ground at the Cowboys 20 yard line as time ran out.
Washington won the rematch in Dallas 27-20, but the ever more powerful Cowboys closed out the decade with four straight wins over the Skins. By the late 60's the Redskins had had enough. If the Cowboys could win with ex-Giants coordinator Tom Landry, then the Redskins would get an ex-Giants coordinator, too. They hired pugnacious Vince Lombardi to lead the team. Lombardi's 7-5-2 record with the Redskins was the team's first winning season in 14 years, but he was swept by the Cowboys. Lombardi's untimely death in 1970 froze Redskins development for two seasons.

Edward Bennett Williams, now in control of the Redskins, set out to make a coaching hire as groundbreaking as was Lombardi's. With his next choice, the Redskins-Cowboys rivalry went from storied to legendary.

Next, Part III - The Future Is Now!

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | September 24, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Hey, good trade! A 2nd round pick for a corpse?

Posted by: Vinny's a complete tool | September 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

i wouldnt be upset if you didnt constantly jab snyder and the skins. talking about 6 flags, johnny rockets et al. you're no better than larry michael and that's not a good thing. heading to the times for skins coverage. ugh, the times.

Posted by: EBALL | September 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Wow! That is just crazy. For the record JLC I am not letting this thing with you guy until you step up like a man and speak for yourself.

Posted by: jm220 | September 24, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I, for one, certainly enjoyed the Jason Taylor era in Washington. And he was worth every bit of a 2nd round pick.

Posted by: Danny the Dwarf | September 24, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

i dont understand how this thing could be fatal? a pocket of blood in the calf after being kicked??? explain this to me...

Posted by: deadskin | September 24, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

In reality there are 5 or 6 other GMs around the league who do as much or more media than Vinny right now, such as Bill Polian of the Colts, who has been the NFL executive of the year on more than 1 occasion. I don't hear anyone b!tching about how Bill Polian is neglecting his duties as GM and blah, blah, blah. Some people just need something to complain about.

Posted by: Jimmy Cracked Corn | September 24, 2008 11:48 AM

If Vinny had drafted Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James, Joseph Addai, Dallas Clark, Dwight Freeney, Bob Sanders, Marcus Washington, Mike Peterson, Robert Mathis, Tony Ugoh, Jeff Saturday, and Tarik Glenn, you wouldn't be hearing us talking. You've got to prove something before you get leeway. Vinny Cerrato is not Bill Polian, or even close to it (at least yet).

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Danny Snyder and his bug-eyed sidekick are doing a fantastic job! The Skins are quickly approaching .500 -- just 7 or 8 more wins in a row and Danny won't have a losing record! Wow! We're better than both the Lions AND the Cardinals!

Go Skins!

Posted by: Hokie Pokie | September 24, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Did someone just compare Vinny to Bill Polian? Can't... stop... laughing...

Posted by: Lil Vinny | September 24, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Get better, JayTay! We need him on the field asap.

.....so.... any word on who's... awww forget it...

Posted by: Dik | September 24, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Wait, you are still reporting on the Redskins? Man the Post is slow fixing problems...

Posted by: Duke | September 24, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Hey, good trade! A 2nd round pick for a corpse?

Posted by: Vinny's a complete tool | September 24, 2008 11:52 AM

No, YOU are a tool...

You're blaming Vinny for a freak injury?That's like saying the Skins wasted a 1st round pick on Sean Taylor because he died 4 years later. If you can see the future to avoid such pitfalls, by all means take over the FO!

Knock on wood, but how weird would it have been to lose two guys named Taylor in consecutive seasons?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 24, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

This is not the time to be cynical. It was a life or death situation and I'm glad he made it out of the woods!

God Speed JT55!

Posted by: 4th is a PC | September 24, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

It's called "compartmental syndrome." Zorn explained it Monday; blood pools, usually, in your leg, cuts off circulation below, nerves, muscles, tissue start to die. Potentially, presumably for someone without access to medical care, it could be fatal.

Posted by: Cindy | September 24, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

a week to several months? talk about a vague time frame.

Posted by: wahoomatt | September 24, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley, Chris Samuels, Lavar Arrington, Laron Landry, Jason Campbell,Carlos Rogers, Derrick Dockery, Rocky Macintosh, to name a few...

Posted by: Jonjacobjinglehimershmidt | September 24, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

i dont understand how this thing could be fatal? a pocket of blood in the calf after being kicked??? explain this to me...

Posted by: deadskin | September 24, 2008 11:55 AM

I'm sure it's along the same lines as what happened to Sean Taylor. Remember, he was shot in the leg, and I'm pretty sure that if he bled in the leg enough it could be fatal. Just a guess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 24, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

i dont understand how this thing could be fatal? a pocket of blood in the calf after being kicked??? explain this to me...

Posted by: deadskin | September 24, 2008 11:55 AM

Same way I thought ST21 wouldn't have died by getting shot in the leg........

Posted by: 4th | September 24, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

If Vinny had drafted Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James, Joseph Addai, Dallas Clark, Dwight Freeney, Bob Sanders, Marcus Washington, Mike Peterson, Robert Mathis, Tony Ugoh, Jeff Saturday, and Tarik Glenn, you wouldn't be hearing us talking. You've got to prove something before you get leeway. Vinny Cerrato is not Bill Polian, or even close to it (at least yet).

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 11:55 AM

In fairness, Saturday was not drafted and was first signed and cut by the Gavens, but your point is still a good one.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 24, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

That still holds no water for this particular issue. He did nothing wrong. If you want to jump on him for poking fun at Vinny, fine. But there is nothing wrong or unprofessional about what happened here.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 11:51 AM

With this particular issue, Jason is just piling on his disdain for Vinny. If Jason did not have it out for Vinny, Snyder, and the entire organization...he would have never called the NFL and try to create some "breaking news" that Vinny was caught violating the tampering rules. If he had any respect for the team he would have called one of his so called "sources" to see if what Vinny said could violate the rules, but instead he went crying to the NFL and Vinny made Jason look like a complete a$$. After years of Jason bashing Vinny and the Redskins, Vinny makes Jason look like an a$$ ONE time and now Vinny is the bad guy for calling Jason out on his show? I don't think so.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't miss a game in years, comes here and is now Mr. Glass. Fantastic.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I would also like to apologize for the idiots whose reason for existence seems to be to continually take potshots at you on this blog - a lot of it seems to be just general resentful meanness. You know they'd never say that to your face, they are the sorts that only have balls from behind the safety of their computers. What losers. Please keep up what you are doing, there are a LOT of folks who appreciate it.

Diron - the ultimate Cowboy hater

Posted by: Diron Talbert | September 24, 2008 11:58 AM

So...it's OK for JLC to take pot shots at people (and I noticed that he never said to anyone at Redskins Park what he says in his articles/posts) but no one can take pot shots at JLC. OK, got it.

Oh, and by the way, look at JLC on comcast live and tell me who he scares...

Posted by: Redskins Fan | September 24, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Are the skins going after Fahkir Brown?

Posted by: Jimbo Jones | September 24, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Geeze just got an opportunity to read today's article. I can't read JLa articles, they depress me...

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I think at this point they should sit him until his calf AND knee are completely healed. Even if it's a month. I'll take a fresh completely healthy Jas. Taylor in Week 8 or 9 for (hopefully) the run to the playoffs.

Also, hopefully he can put on 10 or 15 and be a little stouter against the run.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 24, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, again I ask you, if Vinny had not done anything that constituted tampering, what on earth did he care whether Jason La Canfora called the league office to ask about the tampering rules?

If Vinny had done nothing wrong vis-a-vis the league's tampering rules, as was the case, he could have just shrugged this off with a laugh. But instead he chooses to "counterattack" and deliberately ignite this firestorm.

And in doing so Vinny seems to confuse himself (the person JLC definitely despises) with the football team he works for (the team JLC covers, and which he has many times noted is in his opinion as a beat reporter MUCH BETTER to cover when it's winning than when it's losing).

These were off-setting fouls on Jasno and Vinny, and the down should have been replayed, but alas...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

We're updating this item....so keep an eye on it.

Posted by: Cindy | September 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I was the first of 2 anons @ 12:02pm.

Posted by: Chris | September 24, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Dan, please call me. I'm considering a job change.

Posted by: Matt Millen | September 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

FROM THE DESK OF VINNY CERRATO

JLC Memo #366

To: Redskins Employees

First of all, thanks again to all of you for the posts on RI. As you know, this “Code Red” effort to make the Post get rid of Redskin nemesis Jason La Canfora must continue to be an all hands on deck effort to succeed.

If any of you feel sorry for yourself, or feel overburdened giving up your lunch hours and free times to participate, remember I have undertaken four hours of radio on Redskins Free Radio, despite having no talent to do so. I do this just to get Mr. La Can(‘t)fora fired. “Can(‘t)fora”—I thought that one up myself with Larry Michaels suggesting the parentheses.

I was particularly impressed with today’s efforts on behalf of the PR department. The “what‘s he doing still writing about the Redskins?” campaign shows the kind of imagination and creativity that has made Redskins.Com the imaginative and creative success it’s been.

You should all be proud when people like Roger Ailes of Fox News Channel send us congratulatory postcards mentioning our skills at denying access to these troublemaking media types. When it comes to mud-slinging, he broke the mold! (Actually he sat on it, but that’s a story for another day.)

Lastly a few people here have mentioned that this extra work on behalf of Dan Snyder and myself is taking you away from your jobs building the Redskins into an NFC East powerhouse and eventual Superbowl contender. Let me remind you again, trophies are nice, but you can take ancillary profits to the bank! (We don’t charge $12 a beer just to keep people sober when they drive home, you know.)

As an example, while Jason Taylor has delivered squat on the field, his Jersey is the best selling Redskins jersey since Jason Taylor died. I ask you, does anyone buy a jersey of an unknown future draft pick? Of course not. (Incidentally, the Jason Taylor Memorial Line of products is still available.)

So don’t worry about winning on the field. As long as we make a profit, Dan will own the team, I will run the show, and you get to keep your jobs. The REAL THREAT to you is the Washington Post and Jason La can(‘t)fora.

If you need any more incentive to redouble your efforts, remember this. Most of them are Democrats.


Posted by: Vinny | September 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"Three words, son: George. W. Bush. The government has never been bigger, fatter, more corrupt and incompetent than it is now.

Why in the devil would anyone trust George W. Bush's "endorsed" candidate?

You'd better get back to Skins football, fool, because you don't know jack about politics.
Posted by: AF2 | September 24, 2008 11:50 AM "

AF2 - Thanks, aww geez... I must be a fool, if G.W. Bush endorses McCain and I support him. Have you ever heard of partisan politics? Did you expect him (as president) to endorse Obama or not endorse the candidate of his political party

You act like McCain and Bush have been long time cronies... That's far from the truth buddy... McCain has said for a long time, what we needed to do in Iraq to win that war and they finally listened...

And you say, The government has never been bigger, fatter, more corrupt and incompetent than it is now. Well apparently the Deomcrats aren't satisfied with that quite yet... Let's make it worse.

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley, Chris Samuels, Lavar Arrington, Laron Landry, Jason Campbell,Carlos Rogers, Derrick Dockery, Rocky Macintosh, to name a few...

Posted by: Jonjacobjinglehimershmidt | September 24, 2008 12:02 PM

That's 3 legit stars, 1 that's up-and-coming, 1 that had an incomplete career, and 4 that have been inconsistent at best. Not really convincing in 8 years of drafts.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Vinny=corky

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Are the skins going after Fahkir Brown?

Posted by: Jimbo Jones | September 24, 2008 12:05 PM

SPECULATION SWIRLS THAT BROWN IS FACING A SUSPENSION
Posted by Mike Florio on September 24, 2008, 11:15 a.m. EDT

The sudden decision of the Rams to drop starting cornerback Fakhir Brown is prompting some speculation in league circles that Brown is facing a one-year suspension for violation of the league’s substance-abuse policy.

Brown previously was suspended four games, and avoided a one-year suspension earlier this year due to a dilute sample.

Though the CBA prohibits teams from disciplining a player for violation of the substance-abuse policy, it didn’t stop the Colts two weeks ago when defensive tackle Ed Johnson was arrested for marijuana possession.

Then again, it could just be that the Rams cut Brown because the defense sucks and they wanted to stir things up.

Brown, a vested veteran, will be eligible to take the balance of his $1.95 million salary as termination pay (if he’s never taken termination pay at any other point during his career).

He was signed through 2010, at salaries of $2.45 million next year and $2.95 million the following year. He’ll instantly become an unrestricted free agent.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I called The League. It's not tampering to post that.

Posted by: Matt Millen | September 24, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I submitted a glog, wonder if Cindy will post it... pretty long winded but I got the torrent of the game and watched it. Saw some interesting things.

If it is not up by tomorrow I will just post it.

I know its dallas week, but if it doesnt go up soon, it will be of little import..

Posted by: Zebra | September 24, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, again I ask you, if Vinny had not done anything that constituted tampering, what on earth did he care whether Jason La Canfora called the league office to ask about the tampering rules?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 12:06 PM

Because he's making business personal and there's no place for it. Besides, the appearance of impropriety can be just as bad as doing it, at least in terms of perception. If a teacher is falsely accused of touching a student improperly, guilty or not, right or wrong, that teacher will continue to carry that stigma. Vinny might not be tampering (and even if he is EVERYONE else in the league does in one way or another), but he doesn't need the increased scrutiny from the league that accompanies the accusation.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 24, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley, Chris Samuels, Lavar Arrington, Laron Landry, Jason Campbell,Carlos Rogers, Derrick Dockery, Rocky Macintosh, to name a few...

Posted by: Jonjacobjinglehimershmidt | September 24, 2008 12:02 PM

Umm I thought I was responsible for those picks with the exception of Samuels and Lavar. Wait you want to take credit for Lavar?

Posted by: Joe Jackson Gibbs | September 24, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Zeb, just post it bro...

I'd like to get another perspective on the game..

Posted by: Greg | September 24, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Nate, as I mentioned in my PREVIOUS note to you, after years of reading JLC bashing and criticism of the Skins FO, Vinny had enough. It had nothing to do with him being in fear of "tampering." We, as fans, get sick and tired of the bashing and we are only fans....imagine being an actual "Skins" player or personnel and having to deal with it for how many years now? Anyone would have had enough. And it's not like it was something minor.

Posted by: Lisa | September 24, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

+++If Vinny had drafted Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James, Joseph Addai, Dallas Clark, Dwight Freeney, Bob Sanders, Marcus Washington, Mike Peterson, Robert Mathis, Tony Ugoh, Jeff Saturday, and Tarik Glenn, you wouldn't be hearing us talking. You've got to prove something before you get leeway. Vinny Cerrato is not Bill Polian, or even close to it (at least yet).

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 11:55 AM+++

Picky picky picky.

Seriously? Perfect putdown.

But let's be absurdly optimistic. Let's assume Danny told Vin to prepare for a new career.

I'm gonna go lie down now.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 24, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

As an example, while Jason Taylor has delivered squat on the field, his Jersey is the best selling Redskins jersey since Jason Taylor died. I ask you, does anyone buy a jersey of an unknown future draft pick? Of course not. (Incidentally, the Jason Taylor Memorial Line of products is still available.)

Posted by: Vinny | September 24, 2008 12:09 PM

If you're gonna use truly tasteless "jokes", at least get your story right. Last I checked, Jason Taylor isn't dead.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I knew Bill Polian, I was friends with Bill Polian and you Vinny are no Bill Polian.

Posted by: Robert Mondale | September 24, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow.. I thought maybe only a week, this can and could go all year long. So basically we lost an other DE for the year. Well someone has to step up

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The muscles in your lower legs have sheaths over them which divide them into compartments. Depending on who you talk to there is a anterior, lateral and posterior compartment. When you have swelling in these regions and the body is unable to uptake the extra fluid, the fluid has no where to go and starts to crush the muscle and the nerves in the leg. The crushing by fluid pressure can damage nerves, destroy muscle, and if clots can possibly cause a Deep vein thrombosis which is what Derrick Thomas died of. Tough injury, but it happens more often than you would think. You can even get this from untreated shin splints.

Posted by: ynotcaruso | September 24, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

If a teacher is falsely accused of touching a student improperly, guilty or not, right or wrong, that teacher will continue to carry that stigma. Vinny might not be tampering (and even if he is EVERYONE else in the league does in one way or another), but he doesn't need the increased scrutiny from the league that accompanies the accusation.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 24, 2008 12:12 PM

Couple points:

(1) JLC did not falsely accuse anybody. He investigated whether something occurred or might occur. When he found out that his investigations led nowhere, he dropped it. End of story. If he had falsely reported that the Skins tampered, then your case would hold water.

(2) The league cannot file tampering charges. That has to come from another team. JLC did not make his queries public. That, my friend, came directly from Vinny himself. If he gets more scrutiny for "tampering", he only has himself to blame.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

+++ On Monday, Zorn said he had looked at game tape and no one was certain when the injury occurred.---JASNO+++


CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!

Jason Taylor, convinced his football career is all but over is resuming HIS DANCING CAREER!!

While rehearsing after the game, he KICKED HIMSELF IN THE CALF.

Hey, good question to ask on Vinny's show!

Posted by: Corkczar | September 24, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

JLC stop hiding behind your posts- tell us your side of the story you FAT BLOB

Posted by: SPEAK! | September 24, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

1st question ,how many playoff games has Campbell and the skins won ????? LOL! And why dont you put Cambells lame numbers up against Romo's and see what you get ! LMAO ! Enuff said !

I just love how confident all you skins fans are , sounds just like Green Bay Fans last week. Then Dallas brought them to reality.
I hope you don't give up on the Skins season after the game is over. Especially considering your only the 4th best team in the division out of 4 teams.
After Dallas is through beating you up, Philly will be inline to do the same thing. Then you will be 2 and 3 , and the season will be over again.
Its going to get real ugly !
Thats Ok ! you still have the Nationals !


Posted by: Phillip | September 24, 2008 11:52 AM

You dumb a$$ how many playoff games has, Romo won 0

And we all know what a great QB Romo is in September, October and November he just has problems in December and January.

Posted by: Flounder | September 24, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Finally something we can agree on, Our disdain of Dr. Z.

He has us ranked 10 but look what he has to say. can't hide his hatred.

Washington Redskins (2-1)
My problem with this team is that I saw it, live, in that lackluster loss to the Giants, and the memory dies hard. But it has come back to beat two decent teams, and Jason Campbell hasn't thrown a pick this year, and would you stop laughing please? Can't you see that I'm going out of my way, trying to be fair?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/dr_z/09/24/week4/index.html?eref=T1

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I finally got fired today, I was just about to make my team the worst in the league but those dane rams beat me to it

Posted by: Matt Millen | September 24, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Someone give me a good argument as to how this is justifiable:

Jason has constantly complained about the Redskins Front Office and their lack of accountability and visibility. He has called for either Vinny or Dan to "face the music" and answer questions regarding their decisions.

In training camp, Jason bashes Vinny for "lying" to all of the media when Vinny denied a deal had been completed to acquire Jason Taylor from Miami. He demanded Vinny be more honest and open regarding this issue, even when doing so could have ACTUALLY been tampering since nothing had been finalized at that point and Taylor was still technically a member of the Dolphins. Not to mention the deal could have fallen apart, and any GM in the league will tell you it is a no-no to discuss trades with the media that have not been finalized because they can always fall through. We all know what would have happened had Vinny announced the deal before it was done, then it had fallen through because of that, or he had been charged with tampering because he discussed acquiring Taylor while he was still technically a Dolphin. Jason would have ripped him up and down for compromising the team just for the sake of announcing a trade a few hours early, and this criticism would have been justified.

After the news of Vinny's new radio show comes out, Jason rips the team again, saying that a GM should have better things to do then spending 4 hours a week making himself more accessible to the fans and media. Even if Jason actually knew the duties of a typical GM, isn't this increased accountability and accessibility what he had been calling for for quite some time now? Jason rips the show, rips Vinny, and rips Snyder anyway. he goes on at great length of how a show of this nature is "unprecedented" even though some basic research shows there are at least 5 other GMs in the league with similar shows, including the Colts GM, Bill Polian. He quotes another anonymous source that rips the idea of the show, apparently a source as misinformed as Jason, since the source also speaks incorrectly as to the unprecedented nature of the show. This is most likely the same source he calls every time he wants a negative quote about the Redskins, if there is actually a source at all.

Immediately upon the debut of the show, Jason calls the league in an attempt to get the league to look at what Vinny said and determine if that was tampering. Aside fromt he fact it is not his job to CREATE the story, he should have known, and I'm sure he did know, that this was not tampering based on the fact that the tampering rule is quite clear and easily found with a simple Google search. It is obvious that he was hoping to create enough trouble for Vinny and the team so as to cast a bad light on the show, and fulfill his own opinion of the show as a bad idea. If it were really the innocuous type of call Jason and the Post claims it was, the NFL surely would not have made it a point to call the team and let them know one of their local beat reporters had called up and tried to claim there was tampering. Sure, Jason defenders can throw out the "only other teams can charge the Redskins with tampering" argument, but anything more than a prima facie look at this reveals that while a reporter can't file an official charge, simply an accusation is a "charge" in theliteral meaning of the word. Vinny never said Jason officially charged the team with tampering, and to be honest, we all know he wouldn't need to to create a problem for the Skins had tampering actually occurred.


I would appreciate any intelligent responses that refrain from childish name calling and the mother/wife invocations.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, the notion that anything Jason La Canfora, a beat reporter, could do or say could possibly "hurt" the Washington Redskins in any way is preposterous. And that notion underlies this whole discussion, since it's that notion that Vinny apparently used to justify his biting back.

I say again, if Vinny is doing nothing wrong, there are no negative ramifications for his franchise, so why on earth would he care?

[Oh, I see, someone just reminded me that it's all about RATINGS, and Vinny knows that you can easily conflate a little bit of nothingness like this into a ratings bonanza.]

Sorry, I am finding it just as hard to let this silly non-issue go as everyone else.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I have seen no glog submissions, Zebra....

Posted by: Cindy | September 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Anon,

Jason doesn't like the FO. The FO doesn't like Jason. Neither of them is going anywhere.

The end.

Posted by: etrod | September 24, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The muscles in your lower legs have sheaths over them which divide them into compartments. Depending on who you talk to there is a anterior, lateral and posterior compartment. When you have swelling in these regions and the body is unable to uptake the extra fluid, the fluid has no where to go and starts to crush the muscle and the nerves in the leg. The crushing by fluid pressure can damage nerves, destroy muscle, and if clots can possibly cause a Deep vein thrombosis which is what Derrick Thomas died of. Tough injury, but it happens more often than you would think. You can even get this from untreated shin splints.

Posted by: ynotcaruso | September 24, 2008 12:18 PM

Pretty scary. Does that mean the lower leg is the most important part of the body to control swelling as soon as possible? How bad does it have to be to prompt an emergency room visit?

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Cyn;

I sent it to JLA...

Posted by: Zebra | September 24, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

psps, nate, and all other jlc defenders, what did Vinny do wrong on Monday's show? He mentioned something that jlc did (saying he [vinny] was defending his team). Did he lie about jlc? No, he stated a fact. And the WaPo supported his statement with the quote from the NFL.

Posted by: Redskins Fan | September 24, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

(1) JLC did not falsely accuse anybody. He investigated whether something occurred or might occur. When he found out that his investigations led nowhere, he dropped it. End of story. If he had falsely reported that the Skins tampered, then your case would hold water.

(2) The league cannot file tampering charges. That has to come from another team. JLC did not make his queries public. That, my friend, came directly from Vinny himself. If he gets more scrutiny for "tampering", he only has himself to blame.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 12:19 PM

Your points are valid. It just seems to me this is unprecedented and the fact that JLC openly dislikes Vinny makes it awfully shady. JLC would have been better served to not mention Vinny or the Redskins AT ALL and ask his question hypothetically.

Just sayin...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 24, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Skinz, where are the pats on his rankings??

Good write-up on Post Game Heroes. It breaks down the Cooley vs. Whitten stats since 2004. Surprisingly, neither has gone over 100 yards, when these two teams play, but Cooley has better stats.

Posted by: Greg | September 24, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

You dumb a$$ how many playoff games has, Romo won 0

And we all know what a great QB Romo is in September, October and November he just has problems in December and January.

Posted by: Flounder | September 24, 2008 12:20 PM

Flounder, the bigger question is how many playoff games has romo lost!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 24, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

In reality there are 5 or 6 other GMs around the league who do as much or more media than Vinny right now, such as Bill Polian of the Colts, who has been the NFL executive of the year on more than 1 occasion. I don't hear anyone b!tching about how Bill Polian is neglecting his duties as GM and blah, blah, blah. Some people just need something to complain about.

Posted by: Jimmy Cracked Corn | September 24, 2008 11:48 AM

If Vinny had drafted Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James, Joseph Addai, Dallas Clark, Dwight Freeney, Bob Sanders, Marcus Washington, Mike Peterson, Robert Mathis, Tony Ugoh, Jeff Saturday, and Tarik Glenn, you wouldn't be hearing us talking. You've got to prove something before you get leeway. Vinny Cerrato is not Bill Polian, or even close to it (at least yet).

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 11:55 AM




I see we're argument jumping now? I thought the argument against the show was that he had better things to do, but I suppose you'll abandon that argument the second it doesn't make sense and try to latch onto something else. So now you're saying that the show is not in and of itself the bad idea, but you claim Vinny hasn't drafted well so he should be spending that time scouting college prospects I guess? Hey, sicne you're sucjh a brilliant football mind and know so much about running a team, why don't you type up a schedule for Vinny and Dan, and how they should spend their days, and I'm sure we'd win the Super Bowl every year! All of these know-nothing bums that are constantly condescending and critical to Vinny and Dan and the job they're doing would probably have this team at 0-16 within 2 years if they actually had Vinny's job. Everyone thinks they can be a GM...

Posted by: Jimmy Cracked Corn | September 24, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, again I ask you, if Vinny had not done anything that constituted tampering, what on earth did he care whether Jason La Canfora called the league office to ask about the tampering rules?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 12:06 PM

Nate,

I think you're pretty unrealistic. I've been falsely accused before and it badly disrupted my life and my family's. I knew I had done nothing wrong, but it took a while for the investigative authorities to determine that the accuser was a deranged sociopath.

In this case it was transparently silly, but Jasno's intent was malicious, and I think Vinny's anger is well placed. What Jasno did was pretty low.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 24, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Hope for the best for JT and hope he gets back on the field. Of course, at his age, injuries are more and more likely. Not that anyone should say point this out when the team trades away valuable draft picks for him. No... don't point it out or you're a hater. Just say, Yay, Vinny & Danny, good job. I love perpetual medocrity. Hopefully we can be just good enough to let Vinny keep his job for several more years while never reaching the Superbowl. But whatever happens, please DO NOT CRITICIZE OUR GENIUS FRONT OFFICE.

Posted by: government bailout | September 24, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Is JLC still allowed in Redskins Park?

Posted by: tmnt | September 24, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Nate, it's all about intentions. Jla was intending to do harm . yes i'm assuming, but what else could have been the purpose? if someone tried to harm your family, but failed, would you not be mad because they didn't succeed in their intentions?

Posted by: Ricky | September 24, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Cooley is a Cowboy Killer, he has had a few big games against them and we need to keep that going on Sunday. Get him going on the very first drive!

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Greg Pats are 6.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

The muscles in your lower legs have sheaths over them which divide them into compartments. Depending on who you talk to there is a anterior, lateral and posterior compartment. When you have swelling in these regions and the body is unable to uptake the extra fluid, the fluid has no where to go and starts to crush the muscle and the nerves in the leg. The crushing by fluid pressure can damage nerves, destroy muscle, and if clots can possibly cause a Deep vein thrombosis which is what Derrick Thomas died of. Tough injury, but it happens more often than you would think. You can even get this from untreated shin splints.

Posted by: ynotcaruso | September 24, 2008 12:18 PM

Pretty scary. Does that mean the lower leg is the most important part of the body to control swelling as soon as possible? How bad does it have to be to prompt an emergency room visit?

Not being a ass, but if you have intracranial swelling, thats more serious, but outside of the ankle; you want to pay attention to swelling in the lower leg for this reason. By volume I don't know how much fluid is needed, but for some its not alot for others it is.

Posted by: ynotcaruso | September 24, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

These were off-setting fouls on Jasno and Vinny, and the down should have been replayed, but alas...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 12:06 PM

Nate - No way.

I don't really like Florio's comments but we actually both agree on this subject.

The Post linked to the PFT.com post about ripping Vinny for doing a radio show, but they didn't post to PFT.com when he was saying JLaC appearsw to have an axe to grind and he went too far. That's hypocrisy (sp?).

And we know he went too far when he then emailed Florio complaining about the Redskins. Crazy.....

Last but not least, ask yourself, what if they did go through with tampering charges because of phone cal initiated by JLaC?

How would you feel then after we lose draft picks??

Posted by: 4th is a PC | September 24, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

psps, nate, and all other jlc defenders, what did Vinny do wrong on Monday's show? He mentioned something that jlc did (saying he [vinny] was defending his team). Did he lie about jlc? No, he stated a fact. And the WaPo supported his statement with the quote from the NFL.

Posted by: Redskins Fan | September 24, 2008 12:27 PM

True. Not saying he did anything wrong. I'm just think that as this team's GM, he should more worried about how to make this team better rather than worrying about the activities of local reporter or worrying about his popular new radio show.

This entire time all I've said is that this is a complete non-story.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, the bigger question is how many playoff games has romo lost!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 24, 2008 12:29 PM

Curzon,

What the hell is wrong with these idiotic dallas fans, the way they talk about jessica you would think he has won 5 SB allready.

Posted by: Flounder | September 24, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Hope for the best for JT and hope he gets back on the field. Of course, at his age, injuries are more and more likely. Not that anyone should say point this out when the team trades away valuable draft picks for him. No... don't point it out or you're a hater. Just say, Yay, Vinny & Danny, good job. I love perpetual medocrity. Hopefully we can be just good enough to let Vinny keep his job for several more years while never reaching the Superbowl. But whatever happens, please DO NOT CRITICIZE OUR GENIUS FRONT OFFICE.

Posted by: government bailout | September 24, 2008 12:30 PM

Screw that. I'm coming out and saying it. Giving up a 2nd round pick (and a 6 too or something?) was a mistake by the Skins. He's not the impact player he used to be, and he's not going to have a long career. The $ could have been spent elsewhere (hello, offensive line help) and the picks are for getting the Rocky McIntoshs of the future. It was a dumb move. That's right, another dumb move by the front office. Want to call me a hater? Fine. But I've been a skins fan for over 30 years. To me, I'm going to stay mad at Danny/Vinny until we win a superbowl or at least start making smart front office decisions.

Hate away.

Posted by: viognier | September 24, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

So, t_e, you seem pretty sure that the beat reporter could do something that could in some way bring harm of some sort to the team he covers. And you seem pretty sure that in this particular instance the beat reporter did something that could harm the Redskins. What harm? The disruption embodied by a phone call from the league to Vinny?

I'm not disagreeing that this looks like, and probably was, an act of petty meanness on the part of Jasno. I just think the reaction to it, from Vinny to the anti-Jasno commenters up here, is all out of proportion to any real effect it could have had on the team.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Hope for the best for JT and hope he gets back on the field. Of course, at his age, injuries are more and more likely. Not that anyone should say point this out when the team trades away valuable draft picks for him. No... don't point it out or you're a hater. Just say, Yay, Vinny & Danny, good job. I love perpetual medocrity. Hopefully we can be just good enough to let Vinny keep his job for several more years while never reaching the Superbowl. But whatever happens, please DO NOT CRITICIZE OUR GENIUS FRONT OFFICE.

Posted by: government bailout | September 24, 2008 12:30 PM


Yeah, you probably called it a great move when Taylor was getting to the quarterback, but now that he suffered a freak injury, what an idiot Vinny must have been to make that deal! Isn't it easy to be right after the fact? You're probably one of the same idiots who was complaining that we hadn't made a deal to get a DE before we got Taylor. We've been to the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years, have a good group of good character, highly talented players, and a solid coaching staff. Vinny has played a major role in building this thing and does deserve some credit; Jason LaChumpfora has sat on his self-created pedestal and conveniently criticized every move that hasn't worked out and explained away every move that has. I don't see how a real fan that pays attention to the direction of this team since the 2nd year of Gibbs 2.0 could really take the side of an overly negative, troublemaking, beat reporter over their own hometown team.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Polian's show is 1 hour per week, not 4.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I do fell that McCain is the best candidate and won't stand for the on-going non-sense in Washington and his record proves it and so does Palin's..."

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 12:07 PM

I can accept to a limited degree your statement about McCain even though he is selling his soul to win the election. But sometimes you gotta break some hearts to get ahead or a prettier, richer wife. But please enlighten me about those aspects of Palin's record that support the above assertion?

Posted by: LH | September 24, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Compartment syndrome - that's partly why we can't look at Boone anymore on LOST :(

It's Dallas week people. Can we focus please?

Posts are flying back and forth with more hatred than usual. It's a total downer. It's bad enough the front page is full of bad economic news and mean-spirited political attacks from BOTH sides - can't we just all be friends and hate Dallas?

Posted by: mmok | September 24, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

i dont understand how this thing could be fatal? a pocket of blood in the calf after being kicked??? explain this to me...

Posted by: deadskin | September 24, 2008 11:55 AM

Ask Derrick Thomas (former all pro KC Chief). Died of Clot or pooled blood in lower leg...

Posted by: Google | September 24, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Compartment syndrome can be very serious, as noted above, but this is the first time that I remember it being mentioned in the context of a football injury.

I ski patrol and see the risk every winter, typically with snowboarders, who present with a broken wrist. They generally want to "gut it out", but when you convince them that they risk nerve damage or worse they typically respond quickly. Definitely something that you don't want to fool around with and I glad to hear that JT experienced enough pain to go to the ER.

Really a freak accident and I hope that he is able to recover from this and get on the field since he adds a spark to the defense.

Posted by: More Cowbell | September 24, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Cindy
Cindy
Cindy,

I know you're reading this constant harping on the jlc/vinny issue, yet no comment from you or jlac. why? did wapo lawyers tell you to "no comment" it? if so, then give us a "no comment". eff the beyond lame, mad tired controversy. put it to rest once and for all because it's effin DALLAS WEEK!

Posted by: notguy | September 24, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

JLC caused 9/11

Posted by: true story | September 24, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

psps, nate, and all other jlc defenders, what did Vinny do wrong on Monday's show? He mentioned something that jlc did (saying he [vinny] was defending his team). Did he lie about jlc? No, he stated a fact. And the WaPo supported his statement with the quote from the NFL.

Posted by: Redskins Fan | September 24, 2008 12:27 PM

True. Not saying he did anything wrong. I'm just think that as this team's GM, he should more worried about how to make this team better rather than worrying about the activities of local reporter or worrying about his popular new radio show.

This entire time all I've said is that this is a complete non-story.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 12:36 PM



I disagree, psp. I as a fan want to know when a local beat reporter is unjustly trying to publicly disparage the team and the reputation of its FO. I think it is important for any company to defend themselves against vigilante schlubs trying to make a name for themselves in the wrong way. Any major corporation would do the same thing if an article came out ripping their executives that was untruthful.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Someone give me a good argument as to how this is justifiable:

Jason has constantly complained about the Redskins Front Office and their lack of accountability and visibility. He has called for either Vinny or Dan to "face the music" and answer questions regarding their decisions.

In training camp, Jason bashes Vinny for "lying" to all of the media when Vinny denied a deal had been completed to acquire Jason Taylor from Miami. He demanded Vinny be more honest and open regarding this issue, even when doing so could have ACTUALLY been tampering since nothing had been finalized at that point and Taylor was still technically a member of the Dolphins. Not to mention the deal could have fallen apart, and any GM in the league will tell you it is a no-no to discuss trades with the media that have not been finalized because they can always fall through. We all know what would have happened had Vinny announced the deal before it was done, then it had fallen through because of that, or he had been charged with tampering because he discussed acquiring Taylor while he was still technically a Dolphin. Jason would have ripped him up and down for compromising the team just for the sake of announcing a trade a few hours early, and this criticism would have been justified.

After the news of Vinny's new radio show comes out, Jason rips the team again, saying that a GM should have better things to do then spending 4 hours a week making himself more accessible to the fans and media. Even if Jason actually knew the duties of a typical GM, isn't this increased accountability and accessibility what he had been calling for for quite some time now? Jason rips the show, rips Vinny, and rips Snyder anyway. he goes on at great length of how a show of this nature is "unprecedented" even though some basic research shows there are at least 5 other GMs in the league with similar shows, including the Colts GM, Bill Polian. He quotes another anonymous source that rips the idea of the show, apparently a source as misinformed as Jason, since the source also speaks incorrectly as to the unprecedented nature of the show. This is most likely the same source he calls every time he wants a negative quote about the Redskins, if there is actually a source at all.

Immediately upon the debut of the show, Jason calls the league in an attempt to get the league to look at what Vinny said and determine if that was tampering. Aside fromt he fact it is not his job to CREATE the story, he should have known, and I'm sure he did know, that this was not tampering based on the fact that the tampering rule is quite clear and easily found with a simple Google search. It is obvious that he was hoping to create enough trouble for Vinny and the team so as to cast a bad light on the show, and fulfill his own opinion of the show as a bad idea. If it were really the innocuous type of call Jason and the Post claims it was, the NFL surely would not have made it a point to call the team and let them know one of their local beat reporters had called up and tried to claim there was tampering. Sure, Jason defenders can throw out the "only other teams can charge the Redskins with tampering" argument, but anything more than a prima facie look at this reveals that while a reporter can't file an official charge, simply an accusation is a "charge" in theliteral meaning of the word. Vinny never said Jason officially charged the team with tampering, and to be honest, we all know he wouldn't need to to create a problem for the Skins had tampering actually occurred.


I would appreciate any intelligent responses that refrain from childish name calling and the mother/wife invocations.

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

+++...blaming Vinny for a freak injury?That's like saying the Skins wasted a 1st round pick on Sean Taylor because he died 4 years later. If you can see the future to avoid such pitfalls, by all means take over the FO!...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 24, 2008 11:59 AM+++

I'm just a semi-retired entertainment reporter and even I SAW it coming back in MAY!*. A professional GM should have seen it too.

The Taylor/Taylor comparison is classic Apples/oranges. SEAN Taylor was a brilliant draft pick. YOUNG, strong, gifted. JASON Taylor was an act of desperation.

Football is a brutal sport and a young man's game. Jason Taylor is a class act and a hall of fame player. BUT...

He is 34 years old.

He weighs 244 and plays DE.

He relies on speed and quickness, both of which diminish with age and injury.

He was damaged goods to start with, having Plantar Fasciitis.

He had to learn and play an unfamiliar position.

It's the NFC East.

He was already eying his next career.

* I POSTED THIS MAY 24, WHEN MANY HERE FAVORED TRADING FOR TAYLOR...

Hey, maybe Bruce Smith can be talked out of retirement?
Why waste time and money on a guy who is looking to leave the NFL, who has a year or two left at most, playing for a team that isn't going anywhere soon?
The 'skins would be MUCH better off developing their own situational pass rushers like WIlson instead of continuing to be the NFL's repository for every headcase, egocentric, downslope overpaid vet in the league.
The redskins have followed that strategy ever since Snyder got there. NOW, finally, they've learned how to build a team. I for one, don't want them to ruin it by retreating back to the bad old days.
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Posted by: WE WANT DALLAS | September 24, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, there is no explaining cowgirl fans. All I do is dislike 98% of them and hate the cowgirl team.

Skip Baylis (sp) actually gave some love to the Skins this morning and said that stats go out the window in this rivalry because emotion plays so big a part.

Go Skins!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 24, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

LH - From the last post -

Can you say the same of Obama? (Selling Soul?)

I have noticed it some, but his record and washington connections isn't as long and deep as McCain's.....

Just trying to be fair and balanced.

Posted by: 4th | September 24, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I see we're argument jumping now? I thought the argument against the show was that he had better things to do, but I suppose you'll abandon that argument the second it doesn't make sense and try to latch onto something else. So now you're saying that the show is not in and of itself the bad idea, but you claim Vinny hasn't drafted well so he should be spending that time scouting college prospects I guess? Hey, sicne you're sucjh a brilliant football mind and know so much about running a team, why don't you type up a schedule for Vinny and Dan, and how they should spend their days, and I'm sure we'd win the Super Bowl every year! All of these know-nothing bums that are constantly condescending and critical to Vinny and Dan and the job they're doing would probably have this team at 0-16 within 2 years if they actually had Vinny's job. Everyone thinks they can be a GM...

Posted by: Jimmy Cracked Corn | September 24, 2008 12:30 PM

Argument jumping? You're the one who brought up Bill Polian, not me.

To answer your question: "So now you're saying that the show is not in and of itself the bad idea, but you claim Vinny hasn't drafted well so he should be spending that time scouting college prospects I guess?"

More or less, yes. If Vinny could get the job done the way Bill Polian has, let him do whatever he wants. I don't care as long as the results come. If he isn't getting the results, then he better be doing everything he can to progress there. Doing a weekly radio show, during business hours, during the season does NOTHING to reach that goal.

And by the way, I don't get paid to be the GM of the Redskins. Vinny does. It's downright idiocy that you're comparing any person on this blog to Vinny Cerrato or Dan Snyder.

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Posted by: WE WANT DALLAS | September 24, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I disagree, psp. I as a fan want to know when a local beat reporter is unjustly trying to publicly disparage the team and the reputation of its FO. I think it is important for any company to defend themselves against vigilante schlubs trying to make a name for themselves in the wrong way. Any major corporation would do the same thing if an article came out ripping their executives that was untruthful.
Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:40 PM

Dude, Where did JLC actually write anything about this or "publicly disparage the team"?? DJ Vinny brought it up on the radio show.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Skinz, can we all agree that paul zimmerman, has an axe to grind against this team?? I mean, not to bring facts into the equation, but the pats have beat the Jets, and Chiefs, and lost to the Dolphins, which have a combined record of 2-7. He's so out of touch.....

Posted by: Greg | September 24, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Corkczar, I generally never agree with anything you say, but your last post makes some good points. However, I'd argue these are all points considered by the team before they made the deal, yet the need to make the deal once Daniels went down necessitated the move, even in spite of the negatives. I'd also argue that a veteran pass-rusher is worth an unknown 2nd rd pick if Taylor plays 2 or more seasons and plays near the level he has been at in recent years. Also, as far as durability, this guy has been more duranle than anyone in the league at that position over the last 10 yrs so I don't think the assessment of his risk of injury would have been anymore than whoever they would have potentially drafted next season.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"I as a fan want to know when a local beat reporter is unjustly trying to publicly disparage the team and the reputation of its FO."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:40 PM

If he publicly disparaged the team or FO in an unjust manner, then I'd agree with you. But he didn't. He didn't write anything, he didn't say anything, he didn't post anything, he didn't report anything. There was nothing public about it. Again, a non-story.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

So, t_e, you seem pretty sure that the beat reporter could do something that could in some way bring harm of some sort to the team he covers. And you seem pretty sure that in this particular instance the beat reporter did something that could harm the Redskins. What harm? The disruption embodied by a phone call from the league to Vinny?

I'm not disagreeing that this looks like, and probably was, an act of petty meanness on the part of Jasno. I just think the reaction to it, from Vinny to the anti-Jasno commenters up here, is all out of proportion to any real effect it could have had on the team.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 12:37 PM

Negatory on the first point. I don't think Jasno could have hurt the team because the team did nothing wrong.

I think his INTENTION was to embarrass Vinnie. And, if he had, he would also have damaged the team.

In the end, I think it backfired and Jasno looks worse than Vinnie in this one.

I've already said I think both of them are pretty low in this and in some of their other interactions. And I've said that, from what I've seen, they seem to get rewarded by their employers for this sort of behavior.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 24, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

good to have you back nate. first i agree with lisa and everyone who thinks that jasno should not have done this. and his biased against skins over the years.

HOWEVER my hate for jason's actions has been replaced and overcome by Larry Michael's actions in respond to this. HOW DARE HE???!!! try to push our buttons with his retarded views "as a fan". F YOU!! i don't live in a trailer. i don't live on foodstamps mr. michaels. i don't vote red or blue just because of the color. you don't know me you a-hole! f' ing carl rove!

yes, i am incoherent because i am sooooo godang p'ed off at larry michaels and his friggin employers that it's not funny!

I want THAT (larry michaels) guy fired before wapo replaces jasno.

Posted by: dealer | September 24, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Someone give me a good argument as to how this is justifiable:

Jason has constantly complained about the Redskins Front Office and their lack of accountability and visibility. He has called for either Vinny or Dan to "face the music" and answer questions regarding their decisions.

In training camp, Jason bashes Vinny for "lying" to all of the media when Vinny denied a deal had been completed to acquire Jason Taylor from Miami. He demanded Vinny be more honest and open regarding this issue, even when doing so could have ACTUALLY been tampering since nothing had been finalized at that point and Taylor was still technically a member of the Dolphins. Not to mention the deal could have fallen apart, and any GM in the league will tell you it is a no-no to discuss trades with the media that have not been finalized because they can always fall through. We all know what would have happened had Vinny announced the deal before it was done, then it had fallen through because of that, or he had been charged with tampering because he discussed acquiring Taylor while he was still technically a Dolphin. Jason would have ripped him up and down for compromising the team just for the sake of announcing a trade a few hours early, and this criticism would have been justified.

After the news of Vinny's new radio show comes out, Jason rips the team again, saying that a GM should have better things to do then spending 4 hours a week making himself more accessible to the fans and media. Even if Jason actually knew the duties of a typical GM, isn't this increased accountability and accessibility what he had been calling for for quite some time now? Jason rips the show, rips Vinny, and rips Snyder anyway. he goes on at great length of how a show of this nature is "unprecedented" even though some basic research shows there are at least 5 other GMs in the league with similar shows, including the Colts GM, Bill Polian. He quotes another anonymous source that rips the idea of the show, apparently a source as misinformed as Jason, since the source also speaks incorrectly as to the unprecedented nature of the show. This is most likely the same source he calls every time he wants a negative quote about the Redskins, if there is actually a source at all.

Immediately upon the debut of the show, Jason calls the league in an attempt to get the league to look at what Vinny said and determine if that was tampering. Aside fromt he fact it is not his job to CREATE the story, he should have known, and I'm sure he did know, that this was not tampering based on the fact that the tampering rule is quite clear and easily found with a simple Google search. It is obvious that he was hoping to create enough trouble for Vinny and the team so as to cast a bad light on the show, and fulfill his own opinion of the show as a bad idea. If it were really the innocuous type of call Jason and the Post claims it was, the NFL surely would not have made it a point to call the team and let them know one of their local beat reporters had called up and tried to claim there was tampering. Sure, Jason defenders can throw out the "only other teams can charge the Redskins with tampering" argument, but anything more than a prima facie look at this reveals that while a reporter can't file an official charge, simply an accusation is a "charge" in theliteral meaning of the word. Vinny never said Jason officially charged the team with tampering, and to be honest, we all know he wouldn't need to to create a problem for the Skins had tampering actually occurred.


I would appreciate any intelligent responses that refrain from childish name calling and the mother/wife invocations.

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

JLC is a fat coward that is too chicken to address his actions!

Posted by: Tim | September 24, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

The point about all this is that it's really a non issue created by Danny's lapdogs Vinny and Larry Michaels to push public opinion against JLa. It was pretty smart but none of us really know JLa's true intentions. My guess is he probably would have loved to have busted Vinny.

I think the issue is that some people feel betrayed by JLa or like what he did is outside the bounds of journalism. In what world did you come from? JLa has no love for the Skins and owes Skins fans nothing.

As for Journalistic integrity, gimme a break. Journalists are paid to ask the questions that JLa asked the league. How? Why? When? it all came about is irrelevant.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, I don't get paid to be the GM of the Redskins. Vinny does. It's downright idiocy that you're comparing any person on this blog to Vinny Cerrato or Dan Snyder.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 12:45 PM
AND IT IS DOWNRIGHT IDIOTIC EVERY TIME ANY OF YOU JUDGE THE JOB OF AN NFL GM, AND BEAT REPORTER. UNLESS YOU EITHER HAVE TRAINING OR HAVE DONE THAT JOB. AS FOR VINNY, JLAC NEEDS TO STICK TO HIS OWN WORDS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON. HE SAID, "WELL NOW HE HAS THE BIG TITLE, AND ITS VINNYS SHOW NOW, AND NO MORE HIDING, ETC, ETC." WELL VINNY IS 2-1, EVERYTHING ELSE IS POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE. WAIT TIL THE END OF THE SEASON TO JUDGE HIM. AND JLC BETTER BE READY TO EAT CROW, IF ITS A WINNING ONE. AND HE CAN CACKLE ALL HE WANTS IF ITS A LOSER.
LOOK ARE YOU A FAN OF THIS TEAM OF JLC FAN? OR BOTH? JUST REMEMBER FAN=FANATIC. SO I SUPPORT THE REDSKINS AND DESPERATELY WANT WINS, COULD CARE LESS ABOUT JLC, VINNY OR DANNY, JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!

Posted by: REALISTICALLY | September 24, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 12:50 PM

Gary, post something a little shorter and I will provide a direct response. Not trying to be an ass, but I don't feel like reading and responding with an essay.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm not disagreeing that this looks like, and probably was, an act of petty meanness on the part of Jasno. I just think the reaction to it, from Vinny to the anti-Jasno commenters up here, is all out of proportion to any real effect it could have had on the team.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 12:37 PM

Agreed Nate. I find it more more disturbing that our GM is doing a radio show.

Somehow, I don't think the really great personnel peeps, like Polian or Pioli feel compelled to self promote or entertain the whims of a local beat reporter. They tend to focus on the task at hand, which in our case is far from stable.

Maybe Vinny could focus on letting his football related decisions do the talking.

Posted by: k Squared | September 24, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

As for Journalistic integrity, gimme a break. Journalists are paid to ask the questions that JLa asked the league. How? Why? When? it all came about is irrelevant.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 12:50 PM

You pathetic JLC clone, journalists are not paid to ask questions like JLa asked the league. If you really believe the purpose of JLC's call was simply to get clarification on the tampering rule in general, then I'm ashamed to have you as a Redskins fan. You really think this know-it-all hadn't looked up the rule at any point in his career as a beat reporter?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

good to have you back nate. first i agree with lisa and everyone who thinks that jasno should not have done this. and his biased against skins over the years.

HOWEVER my hate for jason's actions has been replaced and overcome by Larry Michael's actions in respond to this. HOW DARE HE???!!! try to push our buttons with his retarded views "as a fan". F YOU!! i don't live in a trailer. i don't live on foodstamps mr. michaels. i don't vote red or blue just because of the color. you don't know me you a-hole! f' ing carl rove!

yes, i am incoherent because i am sooooo godang p'ed off at larry michaels and his friggin employers that it's not funny!

I want THAT (larry michaels) guy fired before wapo replaces jasno.

Posted by: dealer | September 24, 2008 12:49 PM

Dealer we really do think alike (and to think I thought you were smart) Larry's over-the-top Jim Rome like rant made me hate him even more. I mean he must really think we are all that stupid. What a hack.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't sound like it's on the "one week" side of the timetable.

So, if he's supposed to be sleeping and staying off of the foot, why was he out at his charity event last night?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

HOWEVER my hate for jason's actions has been replaced and overcome by Larry Michael's actions in respond to this. HOW DARE HE???!!! try to push our buttons with his retarded views "as a fan". F YOU!! i don't live in a trailer. i don't live on foodstamps mr. michaels. i don't vote red or blue just because of the color. you don't know me you a-hole! f' ing carl rove!

yes, i am incoherent because i am sooooo godang p'ed off at larry michaels and his friggin employers that it's not funny!

I want THAT (larry michaels) guy fired before wapo replaces jasno.

Posted by: dealer | September 24, 2008 12:49 PM

dealer, I think that many fans are feeling that same emotion about jlc right now. Nothing wrong with that!

Posted by: Redskins Fan | September 24, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Gary, post something a little shorter and I will provide a direct response. Not trying to be an ass, but I don't feel like reading and responding with an essay.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2008 12:53 PM



psp, I wanted to post as complete a post as possible so anyone who wanted to dispute anything said could have a clear point of reference in my chronological narrative to refer to. I would appreciate an honest response, no doubt it would take less than a minute to read and you have undoubtedly spend a great deal of time on here responding to several other comments. I would just like an argument from someone on the other side of this issue to see what facts or interpretations are actually in dispute here.

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Corkzar | September 24, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm not disagreeing that this looks like, and probably was, an act of petty meanness on the part of Jasno. I just think the reaction to it, from Vinny to the anti-Jasno commenters up here, is all out of proportion to any real effect it could have had on the team.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 24, 2008 12:37 PM

Agreed Nate. I find it more more disturbing that our GM is doing a radio show.

Somehow, I don't think the really great personnel peeps, like Polian or Pioli feel compelled to self promote or entertain the whims of a local beat reporter. They tend to focus on the task at hand, which in our case is far from stable.

Maybe Vinny could focus on letting his football related decisions do the talking.

Posted by: k Squared | September 24, 2008 12:53 PM


Wrong again. Polian DOES have a show. What else you got?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2008/Sep/24/j-taylor-surgery-saved-career/

This post paints a very different picture then JLC painted. When Taylor was talking, he wasn't refering that he would DIE, but that his Football carrer would be DONE.

Read and let me know what you think.....

Posted by: Elfin to da Post | September 24, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Still no one has any response to this???

Someone give me a good argument as to how this is justifiable:

Jason has constantly complained about the Redskins Front Office and their lack of accountability and visibility. He has called for either Vinny or Dan to "face the music" and answer questions regarding their decisions.

In training camp, Jason bashes Vinny for "lying" to all of the media when Vinny denied a deal had been completed to acquire Jason Taylor from Miami. He demanded Vinny be more honest and open regarding this issue, even when doing so could have ACTUALLY been tampering since nothing had been finalized at that point and Taylor was still technically a member of the Dolphins. Not to mention the deal could have fallen apart, and any GM in the league will tell you it is a no-no to discuss trades with the media that have not been finalized because they can always fall through. We all know what would have happened had Vinny announced the deal before it was done, then it had fallen through because of that, or he had been charged with tampering because he discussed acquiring Taylor while he was still technically a Dolphin. Jason would have ripped him up and down for compromising the team just for the sake of announcing a trade a few hours early, and this criticism would have been justified.

After the news of Vinny's new radio show comes out, Jason rips the team again, saying that a GM should have better things to do then spending 4 hours a week making himself more accessible to the fans and media. Even if Jason actually knew the duties of a typical GM, isn't this increased accountability and accessibility what he had been calling for for quite some time now? Jason rips the show, rips Vinny, and rips Snyder anyway. he goes on at great length of how a show of this nature is "unprecedented" even though some basic research shows there are at least 5 other GMs in the league with similar shows, including the Colts GM, Bill Polian. He quotes another anonymous source that rips the idea of the show, apparently a source as misinformed as Jason, since the source also speaks incorrectly as to the unprecedented nature of the show. This is most likely the same source he calls every time he wants a negative quote about the Redskins, if there is actually a source at all.

Immediately upon the debut of the show, Jason calls the league in an attempt to get the league to look at what Vinny said and determine if that was tampering. Aside fromt he fact it is not his job to CREATE the story, he should have known, and I'm sure he did know, that this was not tampering based on the fact that the tampering rule is quite clear and easily found with a simple Google search. It is obvious that he was hoping to create enough trouble for Vinny and the team so as to cast a bad light on the show, and fulfill his own opinion of the show as a bad idea. If it were really the innocuous type of call Jason and the Post claims it was, the NFL surely would not have made it a point to call the team and let them know one of their local beat reporters had called up and tried to claim there was tampering. Sure, Jason defenders can throw out the "only other teams can charge the Redskins with tampering" argument, but anything more than a prima facie look at this reveals that while a reporter can't file an official charge, simply an accusation is a "charge" in theliteral meaning of the word. Vinny never said Jason officially charged the team with tampering, and to be honest, we all know he wouldn't need to to create a problem for the Skins had tampering actually occurred.


I would appreciate any intelligent responses that refrain from childish name calling and the mother/wife invocations.

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

The point about all this is that it's really a non issue created by Danny's lapdogs Vinny and Larry Michaels to push public opinion against JLa. It was pretty smart but none of us really know JLa's true intentions. My guess is he probably would have loved to have busted Vinny.

I think the issue is that some people feel betrayed by JLa or like what he did is outside the bounds of journalism. In what world did you come from? JLa has no love for the Skins and owes Skins fans nothing.

As for Journalistic integrity, gimme a break. Journalists are paid to ask the questions that JLa asked the league. How? Why? When? it all came about is irrelevant.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2008 12:50 PM

Danny and Vinny did not start this. The made of statement of what jlc said and the fans have made a big deal out of this.

And to your second point, jlc owes skins fans nothing, well the skins fans do not owe anything to jlc. He is a punk for the way he handled this and for not coming back to stand up for what he did. I owe nothing to this schlub!

Posted by: Redskins Fan | September 24, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

It's edited at top page to say 'Done" not "Die"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Sarah Palin | September 24, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Gary Clark = Larry Michael

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

AND IT IS DOWNRIGHT IDIOTIC EVERY TIME ANY OF YOU JUDGE THE JOB OF AN NFL GM, AND BEAT REPORTER. UNLESS YOU EITHER HAVE TRAINING OR HAVE DONE THAT JOB. AS FOR VINNY, JLAC NEEDS TO STICK TO HIS OWN WORDS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON. HE SAID, "WELL NOW HE HAS THE BIG TITLE, AND ITS VINNYS SHOW NOW, AND NO MORE HIDING, ETC, ETC." WELL VINNY IS 2-1, EVERYTHING ELSE IS POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE. WAIT TIL THE END OF THE SEASON TO JUDGE HIM. AND JLC BETTER BE READY TO EAT CROW, IF ITS A WINNING ONE. AND HE CAN CACKLE ALL HE WANTS IF ITS A LOSER.
LOOK ARE YOU A FAN OF THIS TEAM OF JLC FAN? OR BOTH? JUST REMEMBER FAN=FANATIC. SO I SUPPORT THE REDSKINS AND DESPERATELY WANT WINS, COULD CARE LESS ABOUT JLC, VINNY OR DANNY, JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!

Posted by: REALISTICALLY | September 24, 2008 12:51 PM

Posted by: true | September 24, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, If the FO had done anything resembling a competent job assembling and utilizing talent that was productive and affordable we wouldn't be having such discussions. As it is, it took way too long for the Snyder/Vinny alliance to accept the SOP for rebuilding a successful franchise. They sure know how to make money, however the product they have offered us, the fans, has been mediocre for years.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Wait, I missed something. Why does Gary Clark=Larry Michaels?

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Hello, is this thing on?

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Gary Clark = Larry Michael

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:02 PM



Oh, so you can't respond to my post with anything intelligent? Just accuse me of being Larry Michael and write off everything I posted? Is this because you know there is NO argument?

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, If the FO had done anything resembling a competent job assembling and utilizing talent that was productive and affordable we wouldn't be having such discussions. As it is, it took way too long for the Snyder/Vinny alliance to accept the SOP for rebuilding a successful franchise. They sure know how to make money, however the product they have offered us, the fans, has been mediocre for years.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:03 PM

riggins,

Name me some owners who have had success out of the gate, how long have the owners of the 6 teams that have never been to a superbowl owned there teams?

How long did it take JKC to get the Redskins a championship?

Posted by: Flounder | September 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I'll keep posting until I get an actual response.

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Gary Clark = Barno

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

No name calling or nothing - It was probably a stupid telephone call to make, but you can't assume what was going through Jason's mind when he made the phone call. A reporter's job is to ask questions, and sometimes they ask stupid questions that might not make sense, because that stupid question leads to an answer they may not have gotten otherwise.

This has just become a huge soap opera -
1. It was probably a stupid phone call for Jason to make.
2. It was probably stupid for Vinnie to bring it up on the show, becuase it just stirred the waters.
3. It's HIGHLY unlikely that this phone call would have caused the Redskins any harm. If we assume that Jason knew the tampering rule, we also have to assume the corrolary to that, that he also knew that such a call would not result in any harm to the Redskins.

Go 'Skins - BEAT DALLAS!

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

As it is, it took way too long for the Snyder/Vinny alliance to accept the SOP for rebuilding a successful franchise.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:03 PM

Two words: Joe Gibbs.

He ran the show for the last four years. Go bark at him.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 24, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I'll keep posting until I get an actual response.

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 1:08 PM

Gary Clark = Barno

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

To Anon with the long post at 12:23 p.m.

You asked about justification for JLC's call to the League. I believe The Post's response reasonably summed it up. Giving a more detailed explanation would have essentially been a journalism 101 course. A beat reporter like Jason has to (1) report breaking news or news, i.e., new information preferably before the competition; (2) write feature articles; and (3) enterprise articles, i.e., pieces where he has to go out and find news that is not apparent on its face. You do that by asking questions. Sometimes enterprise reporting leads to nothing, sometimes it leads to something, and sometimes it may serve as background for something later. In this case, JLC was asking could a GM who has a radio show run the risk of being charged with tampering. He used the Kiffin situation as a for instance.

Before criticizing JLC, you should look at the whole context. The term tampering, as used within the National Football League, refers to any interference by a member club with the employer-employee relationship of another club or any attempt by a club to impermissably induce a person to seek employment with that club or with the NFL. It's easy to see how a GM who is taking phone calls from fans and answering their questions can run afoul of this rule. For example, Fan calls and asks about another team's player who is in the final year of his contract. If Vinny answers in such a way that indicates the Redskins have an interest in that player, a need for a "player like that" or has interest in filling the position that player plays he could be charged with tampering. JLC isn't perfect but this really shouldn't cause so much handwringing and JLC gains nothing by responding.

Bottomline: This is a Vinny Cerrato created issue. This is news because he made it news when he didn't have to. He, intentionally or unintentionally, spun it as if JLC accused the Skins of tampering. He knew there was no chance of the Skins being punished but kept harping about how the Skins could have been damaged. All of his fake indignation is hilarious. He is getting just what he wanted - fans not trusting what the beat writer reports. Ask yourself this: Where are Vinny's complaints about all of the stories JLC has actually written about the team.

Posted by: LH | September 24, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Gary Clark = Larry Michael

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:02 PM

Anonymous = Jason LaChumpfora

Posted by: Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorff | September 24, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

As it is, it took way too long for the Snyder/Vinny alliance to accept the SOP for rebuilding a successful franchise.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:03 PM

Two words: Joe Gibbs. He ran the show for the last four years. Go bark at him.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 24, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

skinz, i feel sorry for you too.

greg, what do you think about clemens name not being mentioned at NYY game ceremony?

nate, that mac laptop was a scam. at the very last second they did something very strange. you know how i have two e-mail addresses that i write from? well i wrote from an e-mail address and they responded to me as if they knew who i was and what i was talking about. and then i intergoogled it and there it was "Bold Dreamer Macbook scam on craigslist"...

Posted by: dealer | September 24, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

LH- Defend the call as you will, I think it is clear to everyone, even Jason supporters, what the motive was for the call and the result he had hoped for. What would you say in response to the rest of my post, more specifically to how Jason seems to be contradicting himself in his criticism of the FO, i.e. they should be more accountable, accessible, honest with the media, out front to address issues, etc., then criticizing the radio show as not part of Vinny's job, and incorrectly claiming such a show was unprecedented?

Posted by: Gary Clark | September 24, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

He is getting just what he wanted - fans not trusting what the beat writer reports.

Posted by: LH | September 24, 2008 1:10 PM



Knowing the situation, this should be what any knowledgable fan should want, when the beat reporter is wrong, inaccurate, underinformed and misinformed, no one should trust the beat reporter.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I think that the initial news report of the show indicated that it was either going to be a daily show, or 2 days a week, which in either case is probably unprecedented.

The length of the show, and Vinny's role as the host, too are different then the one show that I've heard, which down here was the Charlie Casserly show.

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"I can accept to a limited degree your statement about McCain even though he is selling his soul to win the election. But sometimes you gotta break some hearts to get ahead or a prettier, richer wife. But please enlighten me about those aspects of Palin's record that support the above assertion?

Posted by: LH | September 24, 2008 12:37 PM"

LH,

I don't think you could make the argument that her record is side by side McCain's, but she has raised the red flag on corrupt republicans in Alaska having some removed from office, cut taxes, basically did what the people of Alaska have wanted... If you listened to her speech at the RNC , she noted several things that she challeneged and changed upon being elected Governor. She didn't just walk-in and accept things as Status-quo and roll along with everyhthing because her partisan officials did it this way or think it should be done a certain way... She certainly gives the impression based on her comments and previous actions that she will cut through the political BS and partisan non-sense. She clearly wouldn't be going to DC with much popularity and support from the media and politicians, but seemse completely unphased and focused on what needs to happen.

Her approval rating should certainly speak for itself!

I found Charles Gibson's ABC interview to be very negative and condescending in the way he posed his questions and tried to really nail her. I thought she did very well regardless of that bias...

You would certainly never see him interview Obama or Biden in that manner...

Posted by: EinVB | September 24, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Gary Clark = Barno

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:08 PM

If Gary Clark = Barno.....this blog needs more Gary Clark.

and cowbell

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I think that the initial news report of the show indicated that it was either going to be a daily show, or 2 days a week, which in either case is probably unprecedented.

The length of the show, and Vinny's role as the host, too are different then the one show that I've heard, which down here was the Charlie Casserly show.

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 1:16 PM

John, I do not believe this was EVER presumed to be a daily show, and 4 hours a week is not unprecedented for GMs to be doing media such as this. Just think of how much time HCs spend addressing the media, far more than 4 hrs per week, and they are invartiably more busy than any GM during the season. The busiest time for GMs is BEFORE the draft, and then BEFORE the season. Once in season I think it is quite logical to assume a GM's duties turn more towards the PR side of things, with of course, a few peronnel decisions here and there as injuries and poor performance may dictate.

Posted by: Jeremy J | September 24, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Two words: Joe Gibbs. He ran the show for the last four years. Go bark at him.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 24, 2008 1:11 PM
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Gibbs is the only reason they seem to be back on track amigo.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I may be in the minority, but even though it is a bit cheesy, I like Larry Michael's Redskins Nation, because it is more information on the Skins. I'm always looking for more info on my team.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I may be in the minority, but even though it is a bit cheesy, I like Larry Michael's Redskins Nation, because it is more information on the Skins. I'm always looking for more info on my team.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:28 PM

And you've just further justified thoughts of you being an a$$tool.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

And you've just further justified thoughts of you being an a$$tool.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 1:33 PM
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You aren't interested in all the info you can gather on your team? I think you may be the tool my friend.

Posted by: riggins44 | September 24, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I did qualify that comment about it being a daily show, but I would say that 4 hours a week is probably 4 times the average that any other GM spends doing media.

Obviously, I'm not in the DC market, but my memory of the shows up there, as well as experience down here is - basically, whatever shows there are - (coach, GM, QB, waterboy, whatever) are one hour per week.

So while you make a good point the realistically, the GM COULD spend that much time on a show, I think that Vinnie's amount of hours spent on the radio show is a lot more than most if not all team's GMS.

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

To be more specific - doing media = doing a TV or Radio show - not random, ad hoc press events

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 24, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Jason better watch it or the Redskins will ban the Post's reporters to cover the skins from 214 with a restraining order to keep them from coverage any closer.

On another note, being that its Dallas week, needed to get my brakes changed, had metal on metal going. So I go to a Midas near the house, I'm wearing my Redskin hat and the owner of that branch greets me at the door. They're raising my SUV up to prepare to work on it. The owner then points to this giant Cowboy star behind him on the wall. I demand they lower my car, cancel the order and go to another Midas 15 miles away. In the middle of the afternoon, I was the only customer they had.

GO SKINS! Beat Dallas!

Posted by: Funny... | September 24, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

You wouldn't let the Midas shop work on your car because the owner is a Cowboys fan?

So you burned more gas to go somewhere else, where (presumably) you carefully checked the owners' Skins-fan bona fides before you turned over the keys.

Yeah, that makes sense. Not. Be a fan, not a dope.

Posted by: TMU | September 24, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Riggins44:

So, you think Larry Michael will tell you the truth on that show?

Wanna buy a bridge in Alaska?

Posted by: TMU | September 24, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

It's my right as a customer to pick whomever I want to work on my car TMU. It seems to me you're a sellout. Why don't you try being a fan with a backbone.

Posted by: funny... | September 24, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Jason lockinfora is a bum. Never heard of him until he starts ripping the team. I've been in plenty of other cities and there "beat" writers don't try to make stories against the home team. Lockinfora, should be replaced as soon as possible.

Kelly Johnson on Comcast is a great person to get the scoop on the team. You can tell that all the players and coaches trust her not to try to stick it to them later.

Posted by: Redskins Nation | September 24, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

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