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Taylor Practices; Zorn Update

Defensive end Jason Taylor practiced for the first time since undergoing surgery on his left calf, and said he hopes to getting some snaps Sunday. Taylor still has stitches in his calf from the emergency procedure, done Sept. 22 to relieve compartment syndrome in his leg, and has some concern about re-opening that gash, but took a limited role in practice.

Taylor said he "did a little bit of everything" during practice, working on running and passing plays, and he was enthused to be practicing with his teammates. Now, he must see how the injury responds, but believes he can play.

"I think it is [realistic] for me right now," Taylor said after practice. "But we've got to wait to see what happens in the next 24 hours."

Taylor said the decision whether to play will not be his alone, with coaches and doctors also involved. Jim Zorn has said that if Taylor can practice Friday without a setback, then he would dress against the Rams. Taylor, 34, said he has felt a little bit like "an outsider" in recent weeks, unable to participate in drills and is eager to help the team win games and build on his sack totals.

Zorn said the team could "wait until the last minute" Sunday to make decisions on several injured players. Corner Shawn Springs (calf) showed quickness in practice, Zorn said, and Springs says he will play Sunday. Right tackle Stephon Heyer (shoulder) also took a limited role in practice, but Zorn is unsure of his playing status as of now.

Safety Reed Doughty (back) sat out all of practice again and is very doubtful to play, Zorn said. Linebacker Marcus Washington (hamstring) missed practice again and he would have to show well in practice Friday to be able to play. Defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin (shoulder) was also out again, and he may not be able to play Sunday as well.

With Doughty likely out, Zorn said Springs could play safety in certain packages Sunday, especially in the three-safety set ("Cobra") alongside starters Chris Horton and LaRon Landry.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 9, 2008; 3:33 PM ET
 
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First!

Posted by: jcabana | October 9, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

am i the only one who thinks of karate kid when i read "cobra" formation...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

almost first

Posted by: franky4fingers | October 9, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Portis starting using the C word.

You acheive this by reaching the P word 1st.

I will not be the 1st to say, though I predict this for the skins every year.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 9, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

i would play heyer over jansen right now. they're up 4-1. they need depth at OL position. these coming games will give heyer much needed experience. and save jansen as the backup. why risk injury to him? i much rather have him as the backup than heyer as the backup and no one behind him.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Marcus is gone after this year.

London is still a beast, but getting old. We need to pick up some backers to complement Rocky this offseason.

Our whole draft should be spent on O- and D- lines and backers. We don't need anything else.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 9, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Now that's out of the way, it's good to be back after a long hiatus. Other than a comment yesterday about the punting situation, I've been quiet for months.

I'm hoping to go to the game Sunday. I'm also hoping, like the rest of you, that there is no letdown. A team with a real coach coming off a period of putrid play is dangerous. Yes, Haslett is a coach who is capable of motivating his players -- and that alone makes the Rams hard to gauge in their first game with a new coach.

Something tells me Zorn won't let the Redskins get away with holding their heads too high.

Posted by: jcabana | October 9, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

championship? costa rica? spit it out 4th! i gotta go to the bathroom!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Sweep the leg!

Posted by: ImIdaho | October 9, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Freakzilla, As I understood it from ESPN, Pacman got in a fight with his own bodyguard. No charges filed, no police report.

Posted by: mmok2 | October 9, 2008 3:42 PM


Thank you, Mighty Mok II. May your lineage reign for 1,000 generations.


What kind of numbnuts gets in a fight with his own bodyguard? I'll take "People Unclear on the Concept" for $500, please, Alex.


Oh, and dealer, I think GI Joe. Not Karate Kid. I'd say it's a generational thing, but...same generation.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 9, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

that's what's really weird...how do you get in a fight with your own friggin bodyguard? and why didn't he fight back? he is a BODYGUARD!!! bodyguards are usually big like shug knight/big poppa big...the way the reports(broken mirror et all) made it seem like the bodyguard was more like chris rock...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 3:45 PM

From what I understood, it was a Cowboys hired bodyguard to keep the dumba$$ out of trouble. It seems like the bodyguard did fight back because Paca$$ had "marks all over his face" at practice the next day.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 9, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Question for the crowd. Whenever Saunders gets dumped by the Rams,(I am guessing he will), where will he end up as a coach or cordinator? Also, should we at the end of the year try and send Todd Colins to Saunders for some picks?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 9, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Dealer - 'Yay Johnny! Put him in a Body Baaag!'

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 9, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

i heard jacksonville fans aren't so happy with gregg williams up there...
4th, hurrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Question for the crowd. Whenever Saunders gets dumped by the Rams,(I am guessing he will), where will he end up as a coach or cordinator? Also, should we at the end of the year try and send Todd Colins to Saunders for some picks?

Posted by: alex35332 |

Maybe Detroit and yes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 9, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

So Heyer is still injured, and his replacement has played well, great in fact as the running game has flourished, and you'd still play Heyer deal??

Makes sense......or not so much.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 9, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Hello Redskins Nation.

We are very excited to have the team come home after winning two NFC East road games against the Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles. HAIL!

This week we have the St. Louis Rams, and this will not be an easy game, especially if we want to maintain our growth and standing the NFC East, the NFC conference, and the league.

We are the only team in the NFL with a battle cry (Hail to the Redskins!). And now we are the only team in the NFL with a post-game celebrate chant thanks to our new Head Coach Jim Zorn (Hip-Hip Hooray!).

After beating the Dallas Cowboys, the supposedly best team in the NFL, Jim Zorn in the locker led the team in a celebration chat of Hip-Hip Hooray. It would be exciting to have the entire stadium, and the Redskins Nation, join the team in the celebration chant before they head to the locker room.

My brother and I are organizing the first Hip-Hip Hooray celebration chant this Sunday after our team beats the St. Louis Rams at the stadium. If it is clear at the 2:00 minute warning of the 4th quarter that the Washington Redskins will win the game we ask that all Redskins fans in the stadium (we will be at the game in Section 424---Row 12---Seats 7, 8 & 9) to join us in a celebration chant of Hip-Hip Hooray!

If it is not clear by the 2:00 minute warning of the 4th quarter that we will win the game then we will start the chant 30 seconds later at 1:30 minute mark. If not then, then 30 second later at the 1:00 minute mark. If not then, then 30 seconds later at the 30 second mark.

You get the pattern. At some point at the 2:00 minute warning of the 4th quarter or after we want to do the chant if it is clear we will win the game. We do not want to do the chant before the 2:00 minute warning of the 4th quarter!

To make it easy for everyone to participate for the first time we asking that the entire stadium join together in the Hip-Hip Hooray chant in unison. And yes brings to celebrate.

If we are successful in getting fans to join in after the game this week, then we will organize the second chant with sections of the stadium doing the call (Hip-Hip) and the other sections doing the response (Hooray!).

We hope this celebration chant will become a tradition for Redskins fans attending the game after each victory.

Please join us this Sunday for a big Hip-Hip Hooray, after we win the game.

Thanks,

Derek Silver and Marvin Silver
Washington Redskins Fans 4 Life

PS, Check us out on Facebook at Hip-Hip Hooray (Washington Redskin's Coach Jim Zorn's Celebration Cry) and help Spread the Word. silver_marvinm@msn.com

Posted by: silvermarvin | October 9, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I think it's idiotic to play Heyer instead of Jansen. CP has been able to run better with Jansen in - why mess with something that isn't broken?

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 9, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

LINKS TO THE FREAKING CHAT TODAY PEOPLE

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"....If it is not clear by the 2:00 minute warning of the 4th quarter that we will win the game then we will start the chant 30 seconds later at 1:30 minute mark. If not then, then 30 second later at the 1:00 minute mark. If not then, then 30 seconds later at the 30 second mark.

You get the pattern. At some point at the 2:00 minute warning of the 4th quarter or after we want to do the chant if it is clear we will win the game. We do not want to do the chant before the 2:00 minute warning of the 4th quarter!..."--Silvermartin


Hey guys--

Devin Thomas called. He's confused and wants to know where to line up for the chant. Also, when..


Posted by: TheCork | October 9, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas didn't call you.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Corky, I think that was Fred Davis that was confused about when.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 9, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Malcom Kelly has to sit that one out cause he's not feeling too well I heard.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

why mess with something that isn't broken?

lisa, cuz there's history (past 3/4 years) of eventually breaking. jansen hasn't lasted the whole year since god knows when...they can prolong his career by making him a backup like ray brown.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

+++From what I understood, it was a Cowboys hired bodyguard to keep the dumba$$ out of trouble. It seems like the bodyguard did fight back because Paca$$ had "marks all over his face" at practice the next day.

Posted by: scampbell1975++++


Read somewhere it was an off-duty cop, hired as the bodyguard. I would imagine the cop was sober and used to handling drunks without causing unnecessary damage.

He probably employed the put-the-perp-into-a-mirror grip.


Posted by: TheCork | October 9, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

scamp, that's funny about pacman...i was wondering how a guy his size could beat up a bodyguard...

anyone know how much the injury settlement usually is for the practice squad guys?

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

i'm watching oprah...and she's discussing friends' husbands hittin on their wives friends...interesting...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Then, dealer, where are you when your backup, Mr. Jansen, gets hurt? Let's play Jansen now so that when he DOES get hurt, Heyer can step in.

Either way, I think Jansen is playing better regardless. Play the better man. "She dreams in color, she dreams of him..." (Speaking of generations....)

Posted by: Good2bOK | October 9, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I think it's idiotic to play Heyer instead of Jansen. CP has been able to run better with Jansen in - why mess with something that isn't broken?

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 9, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Based on the last two weeks performance in the run game I would agree with you. However, I think the idea behind playing Heyer is that we know what we have in Jansen and this would be a good opportunity to give Heyer a chance to improve his run blocking skills so that in case Jansen gets injured later this year Heyer will be better able to fill in without a dropoff in the running game.

Posted by: will_ga | October 9, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

so the question is should you tell your friend if her husband hit on you?

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Detroit and yes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 |
As what OC or HC?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 9, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

championship? costa rica? spit it out 4th! i gotta go to the bathroom!
Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 3:53 PM |

You said it first, not me! The 1st C, not the 2nd C.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 9, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I got it dealer. The C word is Crash. As in stock market. Again today.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 9, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Dealer...dude...Oprah?

Posted by: Good2bOK | October 9, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

stock market crashing = Truth buying stocks cheap = Truth getting rich in 40 years = Truth buying the Washington Redskins

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

HOLY SHAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dow down 700...at 8500...ohhh myyyyyyyyyy gawwwwd!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"Personally, I think it's idiotic to play Heyer instead of Jansen. CP has been able to run better with Jansen in - why mess with something that isn't broken?"

Lisa, totally agree.
Dealer1 has a point in saying "play Heyer to get him some time and save Jansen for later", but if you want Jansen for later, say, when NFC East comes to town or in the playoff, that means you already think Jansen is a better tackle. On the other side, the o-line loves continuity. And they love Jansen, read Rabach's and Kendall's comments.
It's no secret that Jansen is slow in training camp and he gets in better shape as the season rolls on. I think he is there now. The frustration from being benched only helped him.


Posted by: football-loving-foreigner | October 9, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Uh, any thoughts on making RI an Oprah free zone?

Posted by: will_ga | October 9, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

good2bok, so now there's a woman on...who's son got a text from a 12 year old girl saying she'll give him an oral...so now the question is should the boy's mother tell the girl's mother?

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

so the question is should you tell your friend if her husband hit on you?

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I say yes, but know that a great many people would dissagree. Than again up intill my most recient girlfriend, every ex I have had did cheat on me at some point so I am bias.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 9, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

is taht Opra or Mory

Posted by: alex35332 | October 9, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Like denver? Or the Eagles? Because both have started rookie WRs with spectacular success....

Cork, for every jackson and royal, you can find a Limas Sweed, Devin Thomas, James Hardy, Malcolm Kelly, Donnie Avery as well as Santana Moss in his rookie year.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 9, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

stock market crashing = Truth buying stocks cheap = Truth getting rich in 40 years = Truth buying the Washington Redskins=dealer not seeing the difference between danny boy and tt

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I think it's idiotic to play Heyer instead of Jansen. CP has been able to run better with Jansen in - why mess with something that isn't broken?

Posted by: Lisa_R

CP may have run better, but Campbell has surely passed better with Heyer. His only sub-60% day came with Jansen at the helm. With one hand giveth, the other hand taketh away. Just sayin...

Posted by: psps23 | October 9, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Why is the kid telling his Mom about receiving dirty text messages? That's the problem...you take the free hummer (assuming he's 12-13 like the girl is) and keep your mouth shut.

Posted by: executivesource | October 9, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Good on ya, Truth. Do it the Buffett way. I guess we can look forward to hedges growing around the next FedEx and an always-a-bridesmaid-never-a-bride football team.

Posted by: Good2bOK | October 9, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Lets hear it for the death of the american economy. If you didn't see it coming I laugh in your general direction. My advice, start growing your own food if you can. The real question to me is, how cheep is Six Flags Stock at this point?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 9, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

you know i didn't know nothing about zorn when they hired him from QB coach to be their oc and then hc. i had no idea he was FIFTY FIVE!!! so i was like ohh shttti here goes danny following the hire a 30 something to be the hc trend in the nfl...

you can see the difference in a (first time) 55 year old hc and a 30 something hc's...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

alex, sorry to hear that. that sucks man! i hope you have better luck this time. did she quit or is she still working?

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

exec, you know a lot of people are thinking the way you are but are afraid to say it...i didn't like the part of mom gettin involved either...yeah the boy was 12/13...dunno...i think we went from one extreme (hands off parenting) to another extreme (total hands on parenting)...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"Lets hear it for the death of the american economy. If you didn't see it coming I laugh in your general direction. My advice, start growing your own food if you can. The real question to me is, how cheep is Six Flags Stock at this point?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 9, 2008 4:38 PM"


actually you'd be much smarter if you doubled your input into the stock market

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 9, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

so tt, jesusfreakaren, alex, red, all of you need to promise to stay medium when it comes to raising your kids?!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Detroit and yes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 |
As what OC or HC?

Posted by: alex35332 |

Might as well make him HC. He couldn't do any worse.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 9, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

If her husband hit on me, I'd see my therapist.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 9, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

lol you're crazy dik!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 9, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Heyer v Jansen: My speculation (based LARGELY on public comments from the Coach) is that the Offensive staff, including Buges, is more comfortable with Heyr's ability to pass protect. I would rather CP be limited going right vice JC getting ass planted...or worse. Maybe as an ex QB, JZ is biased. Maybe he knows how to properly evaluate risk/reward and thinks keeping his rapidly blossoming before our eyes QB upright and functional is much, much, much more important than getting CP a crease going right. I happen to agree with him. Even if I didn't agree with him, I would give him the benefit of the doubt as the HC with a legendary offensive line coach serving as one of his Lieutenants.

If Zorn and Buges prefer Heyer, that is more than good enough for me.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 9, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Your point is valid kaneohe but the fact that Jansen played well vs 2 very ggod pass rushing defenses doesn't support that theory right now.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 9, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Springs say he was definitely playing last week too?

As far as the theory of playing Heyer the next couple weeks goes, to carry that out further, we should play all the second stringers against these lousy teams so that none of the starters wear out or get hurt and all the backups get better. Who is backing up Brooks?

You play the players that are playing the best. If we get up 35-0, starters can rest. I think that Zorn is willing to forego a little of the run game in order to expand his passing game, sweeps, rollouts and screens to Jansen's side - those plays that would work better with a more athletic player, which is Heyer. My question is is Heyer than much better than Jansen at those things right now?

Posted by: dave64 | October 9, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

My view is that Heyer is clearly better at pass protection...witness Jasno's (or maybe it was J Ried?) props to his footspeed during a drill yesterday. I also don't think he is really that much worse that Jansen at run blocking. And he did drill that punk ass from the Cardinals who was dirty d!ck*&% CP in the pile every damn play.

I'm on record as really really really liking Jansen too, Guy is a core Redskin and a Warrior.

At the end of the day, its a pretty good problem to have...picking between the two as to who will start.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 9, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Heyer v Jansen: My speculation (based LARGELY on public comments from the Coach) is that the Offensive staff, including Buges, is more comfortable with Heyr's ability to pass protect. I would rather CP be limited going right vice JC getting ass planted...or worse. Maybe as an ex QB, JZ is biased. Maybe he knows how to properly evaluate risk/reward and thinks keeping his rapidly blossoming before our eyes QB upright and functional is much, much, much more important than getting CP a crease going right. I happen to agree with him. Even if I didn't agree with him, I would give him the benefit of the doubt as the HC with a legendary offensive line coach serving as one of his Lieutenants.

If Zorn and Buges prefer Heyer, that is more than good enough for me.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

Nice analysis. Those were my thoughts as well.

Posted by: psps23 | October 9, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Desean Jackson (Cal) and NYG Steve Smith (USC) played in the Pac-10 where most teams throw the football w/ pro style O's compared to the big 10 & 12. I think that's a big reason they are where they are w/ their teams compared to our WR's; It's good that Davis is stepping up now, according to Zorn, as he was the John Mackey Award winner (Best TE). Thomas should know how to run block though due to the meatstick O he ran in college....

Posted by: Realness1 | October 9, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

First, if Heyer is healthy, you play him, especially during these "nothing" games (i.e. against lesser opponents). I'd personally rather have him learn how to be a mean donkey during these games where mistakes in his running blocks will not come back to bite us in the rear end. In addition, it will help keep Jansen fresh for the games where our running game will be supremo important.

I promise not to have any kids until the Lord gives me sufficient patience not to throttle the kid. I may be saved, but I still got my anger issues. When God deems me ready, I'll raise my kids the Zorny way - to stay medium.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 9, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

My personal thoughts on Heyer vs. Jansen: Save ya some Jansen 'till later in the season. Heyer has no where to go but up & he'll learn as he plays.

And hey, we're talking starters here - not putting someone on IR. Jansen will see the field.

Plus - if we begin to run more when Jansen is in the package, think of the Play Action possibilities! he he he.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 9, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I looked at the plays a few days ago and the Redskins have predominately run to the left all season - even with Jansen. Since Jansen has been a starter, the running plays to the right have yielded bette returns. That being said, I prefer Heyer.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis is also a big Mike Williams type wide receiver , a position he played at USC before switching to TE.

Talk about cr*pping the doghouse, how much money does a wild dog like Pacman need to calm his crazy a** down?? Call in Animal Control and the tranquilizer darts..

Posted by: frak | October 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

My take on Heyer vs. Jansen I:

If we are playing an NFC East team, put in Jansen since he is outstanding in rush blocking.

If we are playing someone else, then put in Heyer since he is better overall.

I would also use this logic in the Pl@y#ff$ if we were to make it, and that's a big IF.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 9, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis is also a big Mike Williams type wide receiver...

Posted by: frak | October 9, 2008 5:48 PM

Frick frak, let's hope Davis is NOTHING like Mike Williams.


Posted by: 4-12 | October 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Kaneohe, I'll grant Heyer is better at pass protection but footspeed is not all there is to being a better pass blocker. But I would argue the reverse - that Heyer is not that much better than Jansen at pass blocking (now - beginning of season a different story). There is also something to be said for experience. But you are absolutely correct that it is a great problem to have. I like Heyer a lot. And if Buges and Zorn are on the same page and in agreement with Heyer, I am fine with that. I can certainly see the passing possibilities with Heyer outweighing the running benefit of Jansen. Or vice versa.

Posted by: dave64 | October 9, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

If you look closely at the film, you'll see Heyer better able to handle speed rushers(which are prevalent in the NFL right now) while he has shown improvement against power rushers. Jansen has lost his foot speed, which means he is having serious problems staying in front of speed rushers and stay balanced in order to take on the guy properly. Heyer is learning to be a mean and nasty linemen, if he's healthy, he's the better overall player, and he should play.

And what a fantastic issue to have to deal with, two VERY GOOD tackles, heck, most teams don't even one as good.

Nice Job Snyder/Cerrato and Buges, very nice.

Posted by: craig2 | October 9, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

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