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Jay Cutler Update

For the most part, we have nothing new on the Jay Cutler trade front. Some executives I've spoken to think Redskins owner Daniel Snyder is in a difficult spot because they think he must now make the deal and get rid of Jason Campbell to avoid having a situation similar to what the Broncos faced after their Matt Cassel talks failed. League sources say the Jets and Bucs are the other teams really making a push, but given the steep price set for Cutler, several execs believe there is a small group of true suitors for Cutler, who turned off some teams by how he handed the dispute with Denver.

An official from a club that has been in contact in Denver said this morning that his team was informed by the Broncos to be prepared to part with at least two first-round picks as part of a trade, confirming Chris Mortensen's earlier report on ESPN. The Skins continue to try to make this happen, and as we reported last night, various sources are indicating that they would like a deal done sooner rather than later.

If the Skins make a trade for picks only, and Denver does not want Jason Campbell (and the delay in the trade has led several executives to assume that is the case), then the trade value for the quarterback will drop more. The Skins were seeking a second-rounder for Campbell (they dealt multiple picks in order to move up in the draft and take him in 2005) but two executives said that if the Skins are stuck with Cutler and Campbell, they may have to settle for a third or worse. No one would be rushing to help alleviate Washington's problems now, and the execs said it would be silly for a club to go ahead and trade a second for Campbell, given the uncertainty with the Cutler deal.

And as for Cutler himself, man, he can't seem to go a day without adding drama to this saga.

"I was surprised they decided to trade me this soon," Cutler told Jay Glazer in a Fox Sports interview last night at a UFC event in Nashville. "I didn't want to get traded. This wasn't me. [The Broncos] had been going back and forth saying things, wanting me to be their quarterback and then they didn't. I really didn't want this. I love Denver. I really like my teammates. I didn't want it to get this far."

The Redskins have made a habit of erasing other team's problems over the years, trading for their disgruntled players, and it's resulted in precious few wins. It's a dangerous game, made all the more risky when coupled with the fact the Skins generally throw massive wads of cash at these guys (Portis, Lloyd, Hall), thus rewarding them for their antics ... And then they wonder why chemistry suffers and me-guys remain me-guys and their highest-paid players aren't often real team leaders.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 2, 2009; 11:20 AM ET
 
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Comments

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh how we are sad.

Posted by: baldinga | April 2, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

:(

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 2, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

……if all else fails throw insults at the Post…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 2, 2009 11:22 AM

Wait, you mean this decade of Redskins futility ISN'T Jasno's fault? That's Un-possible!

Posted by: 4-12 | April 2, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

i look things were really starting to look up for us....then this

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 2, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

During these challenging times as a Redskins fan, just ask yourself, what would Will Ferrell do?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcCxc5ZAX80

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

my head hurts

Posted by: HustlerofCulture | April 2, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

How did I know this would take a turn for the worst. We are cursed.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 2, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"Trying to switch quarterbacks in late April is difficult enough, and chasing another malcontent sends a distinct message to the locker room and to the coaches about who gets rewarded and the best way to get the owner's attention."

True..

Posted by: ga8085 | April 2, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

You can't hate on JLC's hate in this post. Hes spot on, to all the Cutler throaters.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 2, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Look at the upside:

62% of my posts are abou how terrible Jason Campbell is as the Skins QB.

With him gone I will be posting a lot less.

Can you see the rays of sunshine through the clouds now?

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

...in a difficult spot because they think he must now make the deal and get rid of Jason Campbell to avoid having a situation similar to what the Broncos faced after their Matt Cassel talks failed.

This is what I said earlier.

This gambit shows what Snyder really think of JC, and now JC knows it.

Oh....I guess Cutler is a drunk too.

Yea...look into it. Fox 31 Denver. It's true.

The trade will go through. It will be crazy expensive and it will ruin this franchise for the next 5 years.

Posted by: gdennie | April 2, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

JLC the first of many posts I'm in agreement with you. I'm not a fan of what has been rumored to be happening over the last 24 hours. I would've liked to see the skins put their efforts in continuing to address the glaring needs along the lines and at LB for this team.

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

No way Cutler is worth two #1s draft picks...

Posted by: siris | April 2, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

JC 17 interceptions the last two season.............. Jay Cutler.... 32!!!! I will say this though.. JC might be a little too skiddish to throw the ball around sometimes and thats why the offense stalls... But guess what............. GIBBS 2.0 MADE HIM LIKE THAT!!!!!

Posted by: cocodc1 | April 2, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse


Just when you think things are going along fine and the draft is upon us.......BAM! Two number ones! Are you serious? First, the team was one defensive tackle away from the promise land, now only one spoiled brat quarterback? F Snyder, F Cerrato, F Cutler, F Josh McDaniels, F Building a quality organization.

Posted by: duh2mag | April 2, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

what a terrible day in redskins nation this is turning into

Posted by: follybeach | April 2, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

cutler = lombardi trophy. forget all the glaring holes at LB, o-line, and DE. we're all gravy if we get cutler and everyone knows it.

Posted by: dadanimal | April 2, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I do not like this one bit.....they've backed themselves into a corner....stupid, just plain old jumping the gun stupid....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The more JLC post the better I feel that this thing is not going down. I hope you make a post saying you was wrong once again once this doesn't happen but I am sure you won't.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

We have officially passed the Clippers as the worst run sports franchise in professional sports.

It is sad and pathetic. Nothing against Cutler, as he is a great QB, but we need so much help at other positions, and Danny/Vinnie just treat draft picks like they are garbage. Do they not see how every winning team in the league operates???

Posted by: adamkatzen | April 2, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

This whole situation stinks. Too bad we can't trade Dan and Vinny.

Posted by: hbm19704 | April 2, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Our top brass just doesnt get it. What is the definition of insanity? Why cant we ever just use our draft picks? WHY?

Posted by: Skins281 | April 2, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Cutler wouldn't make it through a whole season with this OL anyway! Forget the deal, keep soups and focus on the draft!

Posted by: redryan400 | April 2, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

this is good. unlike some of the deals you mentioned , cutler is still a young player . near his prime not past it. we have delt picks away in the past on much dumber propositions, including trading up to get campbell who will never be great, i do think he's worth more then a 2nd round pick but we need Cutler. we need a different qb and Cutler is a proven player.

Posted by: jrak1 | April 2, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

OMG jay in dc thats the best news i heard in years if this is tru. look i like jason hes a good qb but he not gnna take us thier. put it this way he the new doug if u put a great team infront of jason he will shine but thats not football today if u have to have a qb that can read the D ne thats acts an not think when ur a thinker all the time as a QB then ur not gonna make it in the nlf unles u have a cowboys OLINE in the 90's or the 91 even 87 redskins line anyone could play with them teams i give jason 5 more years. look at all the old skins QB's that still in the nfl like Sage Rosenfels Gus Frerotte he more like these players. i think jay would be a very good upgrade for us then u take randle make him a num 4wr we was not a 2 in pits so why think he would be that in washington that piss me off. but i hope an pray we get jay

Posted by: SMOKEONLYGREEN | April 2, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey cocodc1,

I think we can agree the Skins biggest problem has been scoring touchdowns, right?

Campbell threw 25 TDs the last 2 seasons.
Cutler threw 45 TDs the last 2 seasons.

That is 140 points (including extra points) which equates to 8.75 points per game. Now go look at how many games the last 2 seasons the Skins lost by less than 9 points.

I am interested in Cutler if the price is right.

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"It's a self fulfilling prophecy, and with no Joe Gibbs around anymore to maintain some semblance of order, character and off-field stuff clearly doesn't matter at Redskins Park nearly as much as it did from 2004-2007. Snyder is running the show, with Vinny Cerrato trying to cling to the steering wheel, and chaos often ensues. "

Back to the laughing stock of the NFL... Dan Snyder is incorrigible.

Posted by: mdsoldier | April 2, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

J Cut is worth our first pick or JC and a 2nd day pick, nothing more than that.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

If I'm JCampbell, I want out of this....sorry but they've mishandled this, like a buttered up watermelon, he should ask for a trade.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

For the love of God. VINNY AND DAN, GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF OUR A$$. STOP PROVING TO THE NFL THAT YOU ARE THE WORST EXECS IN FOOTBALL. STOP IT!! F*** JAY CUTLER. KEEP JASON CAMPBELL. AND STOP RUNNING THIS FRANCHISE INTO THE GROUND WITH YOUR PIE-IN-THE SKY IDEAS.

Posted by: 88mph | April 2, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have big holes to fill. Snyder and Cerrato aren't the players they think they are. Let's package them to Denver along with Clinton Portis and Santana Moss for Pat Bowlen.

Posted by: donsilvester | April 2, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

This is soooooooo stuuuuppiddd!

This franchise is apparently still a complete and utter joke. Its embarassing to be a fan of this team! Why must they make building a football harder then it is... Its hard enough gosh darnit, stop being so damn dumb!

Posted by: EinVB | April 2, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

At this point we better hope this goes down, b/c if it doesn't...its an even bigger mess....

Posted by: chrislarry | April 2, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"If I'm JCampbell, I want out of this....sorry but they've mishandled this, like a buttered up watermelon, he should ask for a trade....."

Agreed. If I'm JC, I want out of this mess asap. Since they've drafted him they've done nothing but stunt his growth as a QB.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Both the Giants and Patriots have the most picks in the top 100, the skins have 2. That's why the Patriots have multiple championships this decade and the Giants have 1 and have been to two super bowls this decade while the skins have toiled and will continue to toil in mediocrity during the same period. And we are preparing to deal for the current version of Jeff George and set the franchise back another 10 years. Hey Jay Cutler meet Jon Jansen he'll be responsible for the guy in your face every time you try to throw. It is just becoming harder and harder to keep supporting the Skins especially when you live in New England where the best franchise in the NFL is a constant reminder of how bad the one we root for is.

Posted by: jayandcat | April 2, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Report: (from my brother who works at Ritz Camera)

Shanahan on his way to D.C. in Snyder's plane.

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

JLC, solid post. Very informative. I really hope this trade doesn't go through. I was just getting my hopes up for DT11 to step up and for Campbell to play for a contract here without a change in the offensive system for him. There are too many good players to take at 13 to just throw the pick away and wait another year as a new QB learns a new system.

A good pat on the back has to go to JC17 for not crying like Cutler with his name being thrown around in trades like this. Nice demonstration of his maturity.

Posted by: sidkid31 | April 2, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

If I'm Jason Campbell, I be who I am, a consummate class act. I do not request a trade, I do not cry. I stand tall, proud, and strong knowing that the problem does not lie within myself but rather the dysfunctional front office of the team.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

yod, yup....his agent needs to jump in here, which my gut tells me is soon to happen, enough is enough.

Which then puts the team FURTHER behind the 8 ball, in this whole clusterbleep.

maybe DS has ADHD......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Report: (from my brother who works at Ritz Camera)

Shanahan on his way to D.C. in Snyder's plane.

Posted by: isnadd


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Is this supposed to be a joke post?

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

So I guess that wasn't an april fools joke yesterday.

Posted by: crzyvgs | April 2, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Hold Out Dan!

Posted by: skeebadeek | April 2, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Here's the problem:

We offered:

JC + Pick 13 for Cutler

They want:

Pick 13 + 2010 1st rnd for Cutler

I'm really not sure where the middle ground is there unless TB or NYJ wants to give us a 2nd for Campbell ... which they don't. IF - IF - we could convince Detroit to give us their 2nd rnd pick for Campbell and paired that with Pick 13 that would seal it but I dont see that as likely.

Posted by: mac2j | April 2, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

i want to jump off a cliff

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 2, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Is this supposed to be a joke post?
Posted by: psps23
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Apparently not.

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Eureka! I think I have the solution. Trade Jason Campbell for anything you can get, but don't trade for Cutler. Voila -- no quarterback!

Think about it, that completely eliminates all our issues with receivers and pass blocking. Direct snaps to Portis/Betts, with the occasional reverse to keep the defense off balance. AND we get an extra blocker on every play instead of wasting one of the 11 spots with a QB.

And if we get into a really bad situation and absolutely HAVE to pass, we have Todd Collins.

I'm liking this more and more.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 2, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

For the love of God, People start reacting to everything this joker JC reports. He has personal vendetta against Redskins and it is sad to see that there is no journalistic integrity left anymore. Everything report every article is written by the hate angle. I don’t why all of you write to post. Most likely it is who JC provided notes to Tennessee to report the tempering charges.
He has already done that in past.

Go find a job in Texas or New York and please leave us redskins fans alone.

Posted by: capitolteacher | April 2, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

matt, he can still stand tall and be classy, and request a trade. he doesn't have to be a door-mat. Something like, "while I have enjoyed my time with this team, they have decided to go in another direction, leaving me no choice but to seek a trade"

Put the blame back on the team.

Stay classy snyder, you jackazz

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

This team does not have the ability to groom QB's we get guys with good arms and then just don't grow them right because we have an owner that when we lose 3 games he wants to blow things up.

Dan Snyder has drafted 2 QB's in the first round. Ramsey and JC.

Ramsey, was picked for a gun arm. Played in Spurriers turnstile line, played 16 games from his back, but always got up and was praised for being a tough guy. Then we had Gibbs come a long and do that stupid your my starter, no wait you arn't no wait you are, thing and then Gibbs dumped him.

Now we are seeing the JC saga and though Gibbs groomed him okay to start with, but all the new O's & Gibbs left and we get Zorn and Danny is back to being GM.

We should just have gone for Favre and accept that we are not gonna get a QB to stay for more then 2 seasons.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Culter is a major up grade to this WEST COAST offense... Jason Campbell is not the right QB for the skins... We need someone who can feel pressure and knows how to get rid of the ball.. and I hate to say it, but that just not Campbell. I know alot of folks are saying on redskins nation..just give Campbell one more year with a O-line, but his time has ran out here. If the skins are smart get Culter!!!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | April 2, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Chrislarry, you are so right my friend, it almost has to happen. It so classic Snyder, reward other people's players not your own. That fosters such a great unifying work enviroment. What a huge D%%che B#g, Snyder is.

Posted by: jayandcat | April 2, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I myself enjoy the drama this front office. It helps alleviate the pain during the season.

Posted by: Leeguru | April 2, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

The only news worth commenting on at this point would be Vinnie packing his bags and going back to ESPN and Snyder exclusively focusing on new inventive ways to rip off his fans rather than nonsense like this.

Posted by: Dellis2 | April 2, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

where is cork, I'm gonna go have a beer with him, and try and drown my frustration.....and I don't even drink.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I thought Danny learned... I thought the skins were better than this now.

Posted by: mwalk1 | April 2, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Just when we were sure it couldn't get worse Danny and Vinny do it again... Exceeding our wildest dreams of throwing away your future in order to in the end not win today.

Posted by: rawk | April 2, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Reading the Carpenter piece has Zorn being the Colin Powell of the Redskins: sent out to tell what he thinks is the truth only to learn that the cabal he works for is formulating lies, lies, lies.

Posted by: neilbourjaily | April 2, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Ah, there's capitolteacher weighing in with one of my favorite memes, that old chestnut "if the Skins are found guilty of tampering, it's Jason La Canfora's fault."

Yep, if Vinny and company did something that constituted tampering under league rules, and the league finds out about it and proves it and punishes them, the freakin' beat reporter from the Post is responsible. Not Vinny and company, but the beat reporter. Yep, absolutely love the reasoning there.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 2, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing that this fat bag of pus can churn out a post on anything that gets some readers hooked into the possibility that it might be accurate.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

If you put Ramsey and J Campbell in Pittsburgh or Tennessee or Seattle or any of these teams that can keep a good coach there for a while.

If they were there from the day they were drafted do you think they would be starting QB's right now.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Sucks. Sucks. Cutler Sucks. This sucks. Nothing else to say. I'm taking an offseason.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 2, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The Ritz Camera guy knows this somehow?

Posted by: skeebadeek | April 2, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

If yall are complaining because we're getting Cutler over Campbell, that makes no sense.

If yall are complaining about POSSIBLY losing two first round draft picks, that's legit.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

""while I have enjoyed my time with this team, they have decided to go in another direction, leaving me no choice but to seek a trade"

Put the blame back on the team."

This is exactly what Cutler did. Either Campbell would be classless for seeking a trade when the FO explored other options or Cutler was perfectly justified in his actions in attempting to get out of Denver because his FO didn't believe in him. Let's not get two-sided here.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I find La Canfora's reporting and analysis to be outstanding. I also appreciate that he offers his considered judgment in situations like this, particularly noting that the Redskins have an unfortunate history of overspending for the problem childs of other teams.

Posted by: Dellis2 | April 2, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else see the absurdity in the whole “What? You were gonna trade me? That makes me mad; now I want you to trade me….” routine?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 2, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Truth I think the reason I am complaining is neither. Its more along the lines that this team still does not know what they are doing.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Ive been a fan of the redskins my whole life (27yrs) but am now starting to question my sanity!

Posted by: crzyvgs | April 2, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I know alot of folks are saying on redskins nation..just give Campbell one more year with a O-line, but his time has ran out here. If the skins are smart get Culter!!!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | April 2, 2009 12:14 PM

Hasselbeck had a 70.4 QB rating in his first year with Zorn (his 3rd year in the NFL). In fact, he was benched in favor of Trent Dilfer. Then, Hasselbeck went to 3 Pro Bowls under Zorn's guidance.

What sense does it make to bring Zorn here, and give him just 1 year with Campbell (who by the way look grear for half a year and solid for the other half)?

This will never be a winning franchise as long as we lose players just as they start peaking, and overpay for other team's players just after they've peaked.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 2, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Nah, Dan snyder is just clearing QBs out to make room for.. MIKE VICK!!! Yes!

Posted by: mwalk1 | April 2, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone at all concerned that Denver, which has no real QB prospect behing Cutler, doesn't even want Campbell? Says a lot about Campbell and his perceived value.

I think this deal with likely happen and we will overpay for Cutler, but getting a potential franchise QB (which Campbell is not) isn't necessarily something to commit suicide over.

I'm surprised by all the despondent posters. I can't believe half of these posters had positive things to say about Campbell in the past. I like him and have rooted for him to succeed, but I'm no longer convinced he's the answer.

Could be worse than having a talent like Cutler around for a decade, even if we have to overpay to get it.

Posted by: Shmempire | April 2, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

For once (ok maybe not only once), JLC is completely justified in his criticizm of the organization and Cerrato/Snyder.

I still don't know if I buy all these "reports" from "sources", since I haven't heard one source named anywhere in any news media that says the Redskins are actively pursuing a trade.

But maybe I just can't believe it because the thought of giving up so much for an overrated headcase QB is such a ridiculous a thought that it is not possible for anyone (besides the Redskins FO) to comprehend.

Posted by: HokiePaul | April 2, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

REALLY??? I have an idea. How about we get some O lineman so we can actually see what Campbell can do when given time? Or we can just get Cutler & he'll whine like a baby when he realized he was only playing against shafty defenses in the west. Thanks Snyder, you've officially convinced me that a blind squirrel would have more success building a super bowl caliber team than you ever will. TERRIBLE!

Posted by: Foosball9 | April 2, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Worst front office in the NFL (surpassing the Raiders)!!!

Posted by: ArlingtonHokie | April 2, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

psp, there was a lot more to it than just that...there were non returned phone calls, there was claims of returned phone calls that didn't happen, there has been bad blood from the start.

All I'm saying is that if I'm Campbell, I want out of this circus, I have my agent respectfully ask for a trade, and I take out a full page ad in the post/times thanking the fans for their support.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Why....why..why... I like JC17 but the reality is that JC6 is a little better. Jc17 is 27 and been in the league for 4 yrs and going to 5. He has not been a clear cut choice of a franchise QB. He has flashes. We are fan that we keep making an excuse for him. As for JC6 he 25 has been in the league 3 going on 4 and has already made the pro bowl. 2 yrs younger, less yrs in the league means greater upside. This is the same situation the bears had with rex grossman. They weren't to sure if he was a qb of the future or a patrick ramsey? By now we should at least have a clear choice if he is or he isn't. Last yr everybody was screaming for colt to come in. We need a clear choice at qb. We need to stabilize that position. with a good qb we can work on the rest.

Posted by: why-hate | April 2, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"Daniel Snyder is in a difficult spot because they think he must now make the deal and get rid of Jason Campbell to avoid having a situation similar to what the Broncos faced after their Matt Cassel talks failed."

This is classic oops-I-didnt-think-this-through-before-I-acted-Danny. We go from unspectacularly stable to, "OMG we might have to give up 2 first rounders and our starting QB because I, The Dan, couldn't keep my trap shut."

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 2, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

snyder just won't stop until he runs this team into the ground...

if the gods have any love for skins fans, then they won't allow this to happen...

part of me wants to see cutler here only so that then, snyder could see his boy cutler on his arse two times as much as JC was last season because he will never have addressed the real problems with this team. then cutler's whinny @$$ will be crying on the sidelines wishing he was somewhere else.

we need to stick with jc, give him a fighting chance to be a winner. maybe he won't be the franchise qb that people want him to be, but he will definately be better this season and i'd really like to see what he can do. as for JC getting salty over trade talks if this doesn't work out, I don't see that happening. he seems like the type of guys who will be able to turn this into a positive thing, and will see that it just means he needs to be better, and as such, he will strive to be better in order to show that butt head snyder that he should be here.

on a positive note, at least there is no more talk of sending cooley packing. if they did that, i'd have to move to denver myself.

Posted by: captainchaos47 | April 2, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

the freakin' beat reporter from the Post is responsible. Not Vinny and company, but the beat reporter. Yep, absolutely love the reasoning there.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 2, 2009 12:18 PM
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I agree with you on this.

However, what is your take on the reporting re Cutler to the Skins?

I think it's 100% pure BS myself, and moreover, this beat reporter (or as I refer to him, the fat bag of pus) has been down this road time and time again.

Most recently with his assurance (in multiple blog entires) that the Redskins would not be pursuing Albert Haynesworth.

So, if you're going to slam capitolteacher, fine; but don't forget to dole out that same sarcasm to the idiot who keeps writing stories that prove to be complete junk over and over.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"Is anyone at all concerned that Denver, which has no real QB prospect behing Cutler, doesn't even want Campbell? Says a lot about Campbell and his perceived value."

They don't want Cutler either. What's his perceived value?

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

he Broncos don't want Cutler, and they don't want Campbell either. The Broncos want Sanchez...which is why they want number 1 picks. They know they need to dump Cutler while the dumping is good.

Danny's problem is he can't not get the next brightest shiny thing.

I like JC. He is a stand up guy and not a bad QB who occasionally flashes brilliance. His problem is he lets the coach affect his play on the field to his detriment. He thinks about what coach wants instead of just playing ball. Its unfortunate and true that he gets blamed for following the coach's direction instead of having more of a "FU all, i can do this" attitude on the field and telling coach when he comes to the side "why? because that is where I needed to go with the ball...quit calling the FU&*ing dumpoffs so we can win this fu*&^ing game, jackass" once or twice. JCs worst problem is he is NEVER going unleash himself. Its also one of his greatest strengths...but its limiting and preventing him from achieving greatness.

Having said all of that, cutler is not the answer. We are better off with JC17 and other area improvement. I really think Campbell will have a really good year if he is around. I expect him and the three dueces to do big things, particularly Kelly and Thomas.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 2, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The more JLC post the better I feel that this thing is not going down. I hope you make a post saying you was wrong once again once this doesn't happen but I am sure you won't.

JM220

I don't care what you can squat, this post indicates you dont' know squat, all due respect.

JLaC is one of MANY reporters reporting the distinct possibility that Cutler will be the latest shiney trinket that catches Dan Snyder's eye.

Was it the Wapo that offerd two number one picks for Ocho Cinco? No.

It would be news is he WASN'T interested in overpaying for Cutler. He's in the Clippers Donald Sterling's league when it comes to incompetent owners. He may come to his senses, especially if some of his minions report the fan outrage at this ridiculous possibility.

Or maybe someone will tell him what Whiney Cutler said about being surprised that a trade was offered.

Politicians aren't the only ones who float trial balloons.

And let me guess what you might have posted, if JLaC hadn't reported this speculation.

"Nice reporting Jasno. Everyone else is reporting Cutler to the redskins, blab blah blah."

I'm trying to be nice, and yeah Jasno has a slew of faults.

But the disaster that is the Redskins ownership and FO, isn't one of them.

Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

What are the chances that Cutler wants to re-do his deal once traded?

Again, for the record, if this is JC for JC then I have not as many problems. However if the Redskins use ANYTHING in the form of draft picks, its just the height of stupidity.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Truth,

I think that what everyone is pissed off about. There is maybe 3 or 4 QB's worthy of that price and Jay Cutler ain't one of them.

Posted by: jayandcat | April 2, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Cork, lets go drown our frustrations....I'm buying...find a watering hole that takes bonus points in lieu of cash.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I SUPPORT JASON CAMPBELL

All of this talk is bs, it's nothing more than speculation on everyone's part, espn, nfl.com, washpost, all of it, it's all bs

"Some executives I've spoken to think Redskins owner Daniel Snyder is in a difficult spot because they think he must now make the deal and get rid of Jason Campbell to avoid having a situation similar to what the Broncos faced after their Matt Cassel talks failed"

that right there is bs, Snyder doesn't have to do s**t, just b/c "executives" say this, it don't mean s**t

The Skins don't have to do anything that anyone speculates, f everybody who says we have to do this or that.

The Skins coach and front office have said from the beginning, they have no interest, so that's what i'm going to believe.

listen or read to any of the reports and it's all bs, he said/she said, it's all fluff, it's like the rest of the league is trying to force our hand

STAY THE COURSE W/ CAMPBELL

I SUPPORT JASON CAMPBELL, (at least until the end of the 2009 football season)

Posted by: retroskins14 | April 2, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"Both the Giants and Patriots have the most picks in the top 100, the skins have 2. That's why the Patriots have multiple championships this decade and the Giants have 1.."

Actually.. the Patriots have 3 superbowls because THEY CHEATED!!!

Stop talking about the Patriots like they are a great team. They have only been to one Superbowl since they were busted for cheating.

Posted by: whatdiga | April 2, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

hey ritz guy, referencing your earlier post..
whats the latest on Shanahan flying into Redskins park??

If true.. and the newswires are starting to buzz about it..
It would be great news for the Skins.. A veteran Head Coach who knows how to manage a game and Cutler a young up and coming QB who knows his system (and scores in the Red Zone). And a Head Coach known to field the very best in Offensive Lines in the history of the NFL.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Cutler will only be as successful as once Snyder Hires Shanahan and fires Zorn, and the whole process retards our growth as a true franchise once more.

Stick with what we've got for the life of me.

Posted by: DCSportsFanRegardless726 | April 2, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Was it the Wapo that offerd two number one picks for Ocho Cinco? No.

Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 12:27 PM |
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Yeah, and how did that trade go down?

Oh, that's right, it DIDN'T go down.

The same way we DID sign Albert Haynesworth after this fat bag of pus wrote for days that we wouldn't be pursuing him.

You are a pathetic bootlicker who ignores the history of this know-nothing hack again and again.

Now, get back to your little twitter draft thing. And fix those frigging typos and grammatical errors.

Gracias

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Eureka! I think I have the solution. Trade Jason Campbell for anything you can get, but don't trade for Cutler. Voila -- no quarterback!

Think about it, that completely eliminates all our issues with receivers and pass blocking. Direct snaps to Portis/Betts, with the occasional reverse to keep the defense off balance. AND we get an extra blocker on every play instead of wasting one of the 11 spots with a QB.

And if we get into a really bad situation and absolutely HAVE to pass, we have Todd Collins.

I'm liking this more and more.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 2, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

LOL

Posted by: ga8085 | April 2, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Everybody is screaming we need a better OL to give JC17 a chance. Ask big ben in pits. if he has a great OL. If we had an oline that was great any qb would suceed. That why defense puts a premium on pressure. We need a qb that can handle the pressure. JC17 has done ok with it but it was a cause of concern that a fumble would happen everytime he got hit.

Posted by: why-hate | April 2, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Could be worse than having a talent like Cutler around for a decade, even if we have to overpay to get it.

Posted by: Shmempire | April 2, 2009 12:23 PM

Keep dreaming! We've had 10 starting QBs in the past 10 years, some of whom have been fairly successful in the NFL after leaving the Skins. What makes you think Snyder would ride any QB for a decade, let alone a whiney emotionally needy one?

Because the Skins will overpay, there will be tremendous holes remaining: Cutlers performance will drop, along with the less talented recieving corps and O-line he would have here. He never faced a defense ranked in the top 9 last year. With the Skins, he'd face plenty of elite defenses... often!

Also, don't forget Cutler's health problems (diabetes). A decade? Not likely.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 2, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Holy Cow...at first I thought it was a joke hearing the Skins were seeking Cutler the wuss. I can't believe it is true and Dandy Dan is doing this all over again. He is the worst owner in all of sports. I have been a Skins fan all my life and being from Brooklyn that has not been easy. Enough is enough and I quit. I will not buy another Redskin product as long as Snyder is the owner. Im through with it all Dan! Please sell this team and do us all a favor. Sell it to anybody, I don't care...sell it to AIG and they will manage it better than you have. I am taking all my Skins stuff and putting them away. This is just crazy is all it is and I don't want to deal with this Skins fan BS anymore. Campbell has had so many systems to learn and this will only be his second season under Zorn. Geez give the guy a chance already and stop trying to buy a championship Dan. You and Cerrarto both suck and Im not sure how the hell you made so much money in your careers...problem stepped on allot of little people to get where you are today. No more ranting now and I won't be back

Posted by: dstanley_1999 | April 2, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

OH NO!
WE SUCK AGAIN!

Posted by: peterandmeredith | April 2, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Was it the Wapo that offerd two number one picks for Ocho Cinco? No.

Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 12:27 PM |
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Yeah, and how did that trade go down?

Oh, that's right, it DIDN'T go down.

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What? The offer did go down. Cincinnati admitted it.

The TRADE never went down, which the WaPo never reported.

JLC's been wrong before, but not on that one.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, and how did that trade go down?

Oh, that's right, it DIDN'T go down"

Only because the Bengals were too stupid not to accept it.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Who is Jay Cutler? He is Jay Shroeder, He is Jeff George, He is Heath Schuler, He is what we think he is, just a guy!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 2, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

how is complaining about getting Cutler over Soup NOT legit?!

You may not agree with it, but there's ample evidence to doubt Cutler and even more so Cutler's ability to lead this team.

It's definitely legit. Open for debate, but legit.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 2, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

From what I have seen & read, unlike Cutler, Jason understands this is a business. He is going to be a starting QB regardless of what team he plays for. Hopefully this will light a fire under Jason and he will become the QB we have been told he can be.

Posted by: jag523 | April 2, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I thought Danny learned... I thought the skins were better than this now.

Posted by: mwalk1 | April 2, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse
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Snyder is the scorpion. We are the frogs.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 2, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Marvin Lewis spent the entire offseason saying the Bengals would NOT trade Chad Johnson.

And surprise! They didn't.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

The more JLC post the better I feel that this thing is not going down. I hope you make a post saying you was wrong once again once this doesn't happen but I am sure you won't.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Im with this I saw the J Cambell interview the other day, he is not Cutler, he is not going to throw a sophomoric temper tantrum just cause his name pops up in rumors. He will not demand to be traded he said he fully understands the business side of his career. He is a quality professional attitude, Jay could do well to follow that model.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 2, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

if i'm jason campbell i hope i have a paycheck in the coming season.

c'mon guys...don't believe me...believe the execs around the league...i said they won't get a 4th for this guy and things are going even below that now. look at ramsey...we, including myself, thought he was a good qb and look what they got for him...a 6th i think...and people were right...

a lot of execs get the draft wrong but hardly ever you see all the execs assessing a veteran qb wrong.

Posted by: dealer1 | April 2, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

The Cutler pursuit probably signals the end of Zorn, for you don't get Cutler if you're not going to pursue Mike Shanahan, the coach who developed him in Denver, as well. The Shanahan-Cutler to Washington package has been rumored from the moment the relationship between Cutler and the Broncos deteriorated. Zorn will, of course, get this year, but already he is being stripped of his greatest trait -- his integrity.

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

cutler = lombardi trophy. forget all the glaring holes at LB, o-line, and DE. we're all gravy if we get cutler and everyone knows it.

Posted by: dadanimal | April 2, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Have you ever watched football????

Posted by: russberlin65 | April 2, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have made a habit of erasing other team's problems over the years, trading for their disgruntled players, and it's resulted in precious few wins. It's a dangerous game, made all the more risky when coupled with the fact the Skins generally throw massive wads of cash at these guys (Portis, Lloyd, Hall), thus rewarding them for their antics ... And then they wonder why chemistry suffers and me-guys remain me-guys and their highest-paid players aren't often real team leaders."


This might be the most concise, well written critique of everything that's wrong with the Washington Redskins

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | April 2, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I think we can agree the Skins biggest problem has been scoring touchdowns, right?

Campbell threw 25 TDs the last 2 seasons.

Cutler threw 45 TDs the last 2 seasons.--ISNADD

Apples and Oranges.

Cutler had Shanahan's proven passing offense to work from.

Campbell had run first Gibbs and no offense Zorn.

Cutler had Eddie Royal to throw to and Clady to block for him.

Campbell had Devin Thomas to not throw to and Heyer & Jansen to not block for him..

Lies, damm lies and statistics.


Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Hasselbeck had a 70.4 QB rating in his first year with Zorn (his 3rd year in the NFL). In fact, he was benched in favor of Trent Dilfer. Then, Hasselbeck went to 3 Pro Bowls under Zorn's guidance.

What sense does it make to bring Zorn here, and give him just 1 year with Campbell (who by the way look grear for half a year and solid for the other half)?

This will never be a winning franchise as long as we lose players just as they start peaking, and overpay for other team's players just after they've peaked.


I agree with you, but I know you watch the skins like I do...And I bet as you watch the Skins play you said to urself..Why don't campbell just throw the damn balll... Campbell is not Hasselbeck...Hasselbeck throws the damn ball.. And if we wait for JC to develop, then we are doom!!!


Posted by: taylormade218 | April 2, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

If this trade goes down I'm staging a boycott of the stadium and immediately setting up a website that is anti Snyder. In fact I will denounce my 37 year allegiance to the Redskins until he is out as owner. He has taken this team and only squandered the profits because he is not willing to hire a REAL FOOTBALL MAN! Vinnie is a PUPPET! The coach is inexperienced. The players are overpaid and only come to the skins because they receive a check. There is no passion and purpose. This is the most gutless heartless professional sports organization in the country!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 2, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking about turning Raven.

Posted by: jgr007 | April 2, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler = Jay Schroeder

Maybe there's some value in getting him, but not for two 1sts, made even more tragic if they then trade Campbell for only a 3rd or less. Then throw bad money after bad and get Shanahan? This is getting into crazy territory. Next Snyder will try to prove there's a whole phantom class of Redskins fans who are to blame for not winning a Super Bowl since he's taken over, thereby giving him full reign to starve them all to death if they cannot not prove they are not not part of this phantom class of fan. Am I comparing Snyder to Stalin? You betcha. I know the analogy doesn't hold up, but I'm mad.

Posted by: DickCheneysDutchOvenCookies | April 2, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Actually.. the Patriots have 3 superbowls because THEY CHEATED!!!

Stop talking about the Patriots like they are a great team. They have only been to one Superbowl since they were busted for cheating.

Posted by: whatdiga | April 2, 2009 12:30 PM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And they lost that Super Bowl. Last year they didnt make the playoffs.. It was also the first year of the Pats going up against opposing Defenses that were using Headsets....Soooo, the Pats couldnt steal the signals!!! Belicheat is what he really was in Cleveland ....a 34-47 Head Coach record.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I have the addendum to Nate's solution:

The Wildcat offense run by....

.......
....(wait for it...)...

ColtBrennanColtBrennanColtBrennan!

Stuporbowl BOUND!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 2, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The same way we DID sign Albert Haynesworth after this fat bag of pus wrote for days that we wouldn't be pursuing him.
You are a pathetic bootlicker who ignores the history of this know-nothing hack again and again.

Did JLC state that the Skins “wouldn’t” pursue getting Haynesworth? I thought he stated time and time again that with the cap implications it “wasn’t likely, but you never know with Snyder & co…..”
I didn’t look through the archives, but that’s what I recall.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 2, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

We should trade Denver Portis for Cutler and a #2.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 2, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"If this trade goes down I'm staging a boycott of the stadium and immediately setting up a website that is anti Snyder."

Are you a web designer?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you, but I know you watch the skins like I do...And I bet as you watch the Skins play you said to urself..Why don't campbell just throw the damn balll... Campbell is not Hasselbeck...Hasselbeck throws the damn ball.. And if we wait for JC to develop, then we are doom!!!


Posted by: taylormade218 | April 2, 2009 12:37 PM

Actually, when I watch the Skins play I say to myself, "how the heil is the defense bringing so much pressure with a 4 man front? They've got 7 guys in coverage! It's a good thing JC17's not forcing it, his best option is to RUN!"

Posted by: Alan4 | April 2, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Cutler had Eddie Royal to throw to and Clady to block for him.

Campbell had Devin Thomas to not throw to and Heyer & Jansen to not block for him..

Lies, damm lies and statistics.


Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 12:37 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

In last year's Draft, didnt Vinny pass on DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal (2x's each) for Devin and Sleepy Fred Davis??
Snyder should take all the picks away from Vinny...or take Vinny away from the picks..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

What's this? I just heard on ESPN that the NFL was looking in to tampering by the Redskins in the signing of Haynesworth. If so what does this mean for the Redskins?

Posted by: gawnpostal | April 2, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about the picks, give me the points, 25 year old QBs who throw for 4500 yards and 25 TDs don't become available well...ever...GET HIM! at whatever the cost is, its not just about 1 year, its a franchise QB for the next decade, so what if we have heyer at tackle this year, you can get another guy next year but you rarely get a shot a QB this talented. Cutler with our defense and we're the favorites in the NFC right away.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"I thought Danny learned... I thought the skins were better than this now."

Where ya been?

Posted by: Pepper5 | April 2, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

We should trade Denver Portis for Cutler and a #2.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 2, 2009 12:39 PM |

13mil cap hit for trading Portis, it can't happen.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Hell, I'd rather see the Skins trade Campbell outright and let Collins/Colt battle it out for starter, and leave Cutler out of the mix, rather than sell the farm for Cutler.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 2, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else see the absurdity in the whole “What? You were gonna trade me? That makes me mad; now I want you to trade me….” routine?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 2, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse
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Wrong. Its "What? You DIDNT TELL ME you were gonna trade me? That makes me mad; now I want you to trade me."

All it takes is a phone call to Cutler to see if he's willing to talk. And if they knew he wasn't, then actions indicate they are not interested in a mutually beneficial relationship, at which point a trade is the only hope of seeking an employer who might have common interests.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 2, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I think many people on this blog owe JLC an apology. His rampant criticism of the Snyderato regime is more then warranted especially after this Cutler debacle.

Posted by: dante232 | April 2, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

This reminds me so much of bringing in Jeff George in. The grass is always greener on the other side.

Posted by: cmecyclist | April 2, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

What's this? I just heard on ESPN that the NFL was looking in to tampering by the Redskins in the signing of Haynesworth. If so what does this mean for the Redskins?

Posted by: gawnpostal | April 2, 2009 12:43 PM |

It means nothing because they have no proof.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

What are the chances that Cutler wants to re-do his deal once traded?

Again, for the record, if this is JC for JC then I have not as many problems. However if the Redskins use ANYTHING in the form of draft picks, its just the height of stupidity.

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Agree, Beans. But remember this is the team that offered two number ones for Ocho Cinco and wasted a 2nd rounder on a 240 pound, injured, aging DE.

I believe when Snyder sees Cutler in a Redskin uniform, he doesn't think of the aging line that can't protect him without an influx of draft picks, or the two number one picks he gave up, he sees the new ad on Redskins.Com inviting the suckers to pre-order their new "Cutler" jersey with a free Campbell jersey thrown in.

Snyder has turned a once great football organization into a merchandising company.

Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

In case no one saw this yet, Maske weighs in
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In his first two full seasons as an NFL starter in Denver, Cutler has thrown for 8,023 yards with 45 touchdowns and 32 interceptions. For comparison's sake, Peyton Manning threw for 7,874 yards with 52 touchdowns and 43 interceptions in his first two full seasons as a starter in Indianapolis. Now, those were Manning's first two seasons in the league, while Cutler's first two full seasons as a starter came after a rookie season in which he made five starts. So there is a bit of a difference. But you get the point: This guy can actually play. He's the real deal. This is not like bringing in Jeff George all over again.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 2, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

What's this? I just heard on ESPN that the NFL was looking in to tampering by the Redskins in the signing of Haynesworth. If so what does this mean for the Redskins?

Posted by: gawnpostal | April 2, 2009 12:43 PM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Could mean a loss of a pick in 2010. Haynesworth's agent represents other Redskins players.. And Vinny or Danny were talking to the agent about them, prior to the signing.. Not Haynesworth. Or so, I have seen the most recent accounting.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I have a new poll question:

What should the name of the Off-Season Super Bowl Trophy be?

1. The Al Davis trophy

2. The Jerry Jones trophy

Screw it, there's only one true choice, right?

3. The Danny!

The other two actually have a couple of Lombardis.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 2, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"OH NO!
WE SUCK AGAIN!"

We don't suck. The Redskins organization sucks. BOYCOTT the Skins!!!

Posted by: Pepper5 | April 2, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And they lost that Super Bowl. Last year they didnt make the playoffs.. It was also the first year of the Pats going up against opposing Defenses that were using Headsets....Soooo, the Pats couldnt steal the signals!!! Belicheat is what he really was in Cleveland ....a 34-47 Head Coach record.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

If I recall correctly the Pats were 11-5. Citing the fact that they missed the playoffs... as evidence of how much their 'cheating' helped them, is intellectually dishonest.

Posted by: dante232 | April 2, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

This is one of the biggest mistakes that Dan Syder or whoever can my, especially dealing with the character of our team. He should know by now that you cannot buy a Super Bowl Team. Let JC handle the reins in the same system for longer than a year and he will be outstanding.

Posted by: firemanj74 | April 2, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

If they do end up keeping Campbell we know who the first pick in the draft will be:

Mark Sanchez.

The Ol will continue to erode possibly explode.

Haynesworth needs to learn how to play both sides of the ball, he needs to learn the tackle position on offense.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

If this trade doesn't go through I hope JC has a monstrous 09 season, tell the skins to kiss where the sun doesn't shine and move on... ALA -- BAM! IN YOUR FACE.

With all that said, if this team was being built properly, I.E., good strong drafting, etc, we could win with Sister Sara at QB.

Posted by: renaw9 | April 2, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't post that often, but I think it is time. I am tired of our front office attempting to buy a championship. I am tired of listening to "build through the draft" and "team chemistry" while the front office attempts to purchase every player out there. It hasn't worked. I have watched the Redskins bring in Jeff George and set the team back 7 years, when we had a QB on the team (Brad Johnson) who had proven capable. Mr. Snyder did it with coaches as well: firing Norv when the Skins were still in the hunt and firing Marty even after they finished the season 8-3, replacing him with the Ol' Ball Coach. There are more glaring needs than QB. If Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerratto have any respect for their dedicated fans (the same fans who ensure that every game is sold out, the same fans who ensure that the city's emotional vibe sways with the Redskin's performances, and the very same fans who almost every year has to watch other teams play in January), they will bury the Jay Cutler thing. I hope and pray that they do.

Also, I would like it if they never bring out the Lombardi trophies again. Those were under the watchful eye of Jack Kent Cooke. There is no connection between what is happening now and those three Lombardi trophies. It shows that you are stuck in the past, attempting to tie your futility with the success of a late owner. How about just making it your goal to win another? Just have a little place holder that says "Reserved for our NEXT trophy." Then do everything you can to fill that hole.

Cutler is not the answer.

Posted by: moosepod | April 2, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

To all of you bashing Jason give him a break here MULTIPLE sources are reporting the Redskins are actively pursuing Cutler He is just doing his job by putting it out there...

Jay Cutler himself said...

"I believe I will end up in the NFC"

and yes we do have to deal Campbell at this point because He has already said...

"I am a starting QB. I will not be a backup"

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Taylormade

What the hell are you talking about? Football is a kids game, but its a bit more complicated just throwing the damn ball. Sadly our jackass owner has the same ignorant perspective. If he leaves I hope JC17 goes to Dallas and owns the skins. Snyder makes it really hard to cheer for this team.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 2, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"...he sees the new ad on Redskins.Com inviting the suckers to pre-order their new "Cutler" jersey with a free Campbell jersey thrown in."

So sad. So true.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The new Redskins theme song:

Snidely has an owl he thinks he is so wise.
The only thing that Snidely lacks is anything behind his eyes.

Oh hidey, hidey, Christ Almighty who the hell are we? Zim Zammedy God Damnedy FANS of OLD DC.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Could be worse than having a talent like Cutler around for a decade, even if we have to overpay to get it.

Posted by: Shmempire | April 2, 2009 12:23 PM

Keep dreaming! We've had 10 starting QBs in the past 10 years, some of whom have been fairly successful in the NFL after leaving the Skins. What makes you think Snyder would ride any QB for a decade, let alone a whiney emotionally needy one?

Because the Skins will overpay, there will be tremendous holes remaining: Cutlers performance will drop, along with the less talented recieving corps and O-line he would have here. He never faced a defense ranked in the top 9 last year. With the Skins, he'd face plenty of elite defenses... often!

Also, don't forget Cutler's health problems (diabetes). A decade? Not likely.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 2, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Which Skins QB has had success anywhere else? Except for maybe Trent Green (and maybe Brad Johnson_), I don't recall anyone. Ramsey? Jeff George? The clowns that Spurrier brought with him?

And maybe the reason why Campbell takes so many sacks is not just because of the offensive line but because he has a slow release and takes too many sacks. And do the Broncos really have a superior set of receivers or is it possible that Cutler can actually make plays? I like Campbell, he's a class act. Cutler appears to be a prima donna. But I still think he's an upgrade. And it's gonna happen, so we might was well be prepared to live with it. There is certainly a potential upside so I don't understand why everyone is prepared to commit suicide over losing a mediocre qb like Campbell. And if Campbell is so great, why can't Denver or any other franchise see it? A 3rd round draft choice? With so many teams with qb issues? Not a ringing endorsement.

I will root for them with either Campbell or Cutler at the helm. I just see more hope with Cutler. And despite the other problem areas, qb is clearly the most important position.

I'm not worried about diabetes.

Posted by: Shmempire | April 2, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

More from Maske, and probably the most damming

*********************

It's debatable whether giving up what it will take to get Cutler will make the Redskins better than they would have been simply by steering clear and keeping Campbell and their draft picks. But it's too late for that now.

Now the Redskins have a problem with Campbell if they don't get Cutler, and potentially a big problem. Could they fix that problem?

Maybe.

Maybe not.

If they didn't figure out the answer to that question going into this process, it might be too late now.

So if you're going to play this game, you have to win it.

If you're going to go after Cutler, you have to get him.

***************************************

And win it snyder will with overpaying in picks for him.

When i was for this trade, I obviously forgot who was trying to pull it off.

How easy the burgundy colored glasses color my view of my team...

Posted by: Zeebs | April 2, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Actually, when I watch the Skins play I say to myself, "how the heil is the defense bringing so much pressure with a 4 man front? They've got 7 guys in coverage! It's a good thing JC17's not forcing it, his best option is to RUN!"

Funny!!! I said the samething too..LOL But, did you ask urself ok, if my O-Line is so terrible, then let me adjust and run or slide around, move around, until I can find a open receiver. Why do Zorn need to teach this guy this?? His a QB right?? I love JC17, but I love him as the #2 QB on anybody roster right now..


Posted by: taylormade218 | April 2, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Say what you will about the Patriots and their "cheating" but they were missing the best QB in the league last year and managed an 11-5 record with a guy who hadn't started since high school, yeah they don't know what they are doing up there. Would you rather be 11-5, every year, have a chance at the playoffs every year or be 8-8 and be the champs of the off-season. I'll take winning any day over the joke that is the Snyder Era Skins.

Posted by: jayandcat | April 2, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

What's this? I just heard on ESPN that the NFL was looking in to tampering by the Redskins in the signing of Haynesworth. If so what does this mean for the Redskins?

Posted by: gawnpostal | April 2, 2009 12:43 PM |

It means nothing because they have no proof.

Posted by: Flounder21

Not yet.

But if while "looking into" the charges they find some, it could mean the loss of draft picks, if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"...he sees the new ad on Redskins.Com inviting the suckers to pre-order their new "Cutler" jersey with a free Campbell jersey thrown in."

Hey Priest already channeled that after watching "The Secret" (the ULTIMATE IN "chick crack cocaine").

All together now ... we must will/wish/believe that we will get a young all pro offensive tackle, we will get a young all pro SAM Line backer, Jason Campbell will have a monster year (whereever he goes) as predicted on redskins.com.

Priest is Channeling ... yes he sees Mark Sanchez starting QB Washington Redskins 2009.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

So, I haven't been posting much lately, but I have to get in on this one. If this trade goes through it will be time for all out fan revolt!

I think a good start would be the suggestion of a stadium boycott, coupled with a merchandise boycott and then something involving rotten eggs!

Posted by: LarryBud | April 2, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Priest still Channeling:
Cutler will end up in Tampa Bay ...

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Say this goes down...and no one wants Campbell, which I am surprised that the Jets are a little interested in Campbell they have no one, same with the Lions, but they are looking at drafting the future, what about the Vikes??? Either way, what would it cost us to dump Collins immediately and have Campbell be the back up this year, last year on his contract??? I am more worried about not being able to get a LB or DB if they get rid of C. Rogers, then we have huge holes, we would have to work something out to draft or pick up a Rolle/ Bly which we can not afford.

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 2, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have big holes to fill. Snyder and Cerrato aren't the players they think they are. Let's package them to Denver along with Clinton Portis and Santana Moss for Pat Bowlen.

Posted by: donsilvester | April 2, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Good on ya mate, bout time we had some good humor in this mess. Do ya think we could make this dream of yours come true because here of late, last ten years or so, that's all we've had. HAIL

Posted by: renaw9 | April 2, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

But if while "looking into" the charges they find some, it could mean the loss of draft picks, if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 12:54 PM |

Cork they had the phone records between the Vikings and Brett Favre and they did nothing.

The only team to get hit with this was the 49ers and they only lost a 5th round pick.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

In my many decades of being a redskin fanatic, I have never been this consistantly disappointed in the front office before.
What amazes me is that Danny Boy has any money if he conducts his other businesses in the same way he tries to manage the redskin's.
The entire front office and the owner need to go.

Posted by: alyd69 | April 2, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Redskins.com has the Draft Party as this grand event. Come join us as we waste our 1st round pick and pick a bunch of losers in the 3rd, 5th, 6th and 7th rounds. Snyder better provide free beer.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 2, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"Which Skins QB has had success anywhere else? Except for maybe Trent Green (and maybe Brad Johnson_), I don't recall anyone. Ramsey? Jeff George? The clowns that Spurrier brought with him?"

The Vikings seem to think highly of Sage Rosenfels, there is the interesting saga of Stan Humpheries ... of everyone the Redskins have ever drafted in the entire history of the team, with the exception of Sammy Baugh, Jason Campbell was probably the best QB ever drafted.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is going to be on 980 at 1:45 pm.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And when Cutler is traded to the Jets or Bears or Bucs, the fat bag of pus will say, "Well, my sources (NFL execs, lol) told me the Redskins wanted him, so I had to report it."

Meanwhile, the suckers on this board will be anxiously awaiting the next non-story, so they can salivate over the possibilities.

Sincerely,

P.T. Barnum

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

To a large extent, the big story IS NOT whether this trade goes through.

The big story is that JC is toast. The Skins have shown their hand on JC and if the trade falls apart, look for #13 pick to be Sanchez.

It's a train-wreck now either way.

Posted by: gdennie | April 2, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey Lisa I hope all is well. Please make sure you post what is said.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Campbell is going to request a trade if they don't get Cutler. It seems to me that if he's thinking rationally (which he seems more disposed to doing than Cutler) he would remain a Redskin for the final year, hopefully have a good year and improve his market value for free agency. Despite all the front office dysfunctionality, it still seems he will have a better chance of having a great year if he stays in the same system for a consecutive season.

Posted by: FITS | April 2, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"In my many decades of being a redskin fanatic, I have never been this consistantly disappointed in the front office before.
What amazes me is that Danny Boy has any money if he conducts his other businesses in the same way he tries to manage the redskin's.
The entire front office and the owner need to go.

Posted by: alyd69 | April 2, 2009"

Snidely the Owl: Lord I was born a gamblin' man, trying to sell some t-shirts and hocking the best I can. But when it comes to quarterbacks I hope you'll understand ... that I was born a trading man ...

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez won't be there at 13. Stock is rising fast.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 2, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez will not be there at 13 so don't worry about that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

yes, i too am thinking cutler pursuit=mike shanahan pursuit=end of the vinny era!

Posted by: dealer1 | April 2, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"Why....why..why... I like JC17 but the reality is that JC6 is a little better. Jc17 is 27 and been in the league for 4 yrs and going to 5."

Cutler is a average athlete, has a weaker arm and has a serious case of diabetes ...

and you ask why ask why?

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"This is classic oops-I-didnt-think-this-through-before-I-acted-Danny. We go from unspectacularly stable to, "OMG we might have to give up 2 first rounders and our starting QB because I, The Dan, couldn't keep my trap shut."

Posted by: mattsoundworld "


please give me the quote or link of ANYONE attached to the front office saying anything that would make you think we're going after Cutler at all


this is all speculation from the media, our FO has been silent

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

All you who post about what to know who JLC's "unnamed sources" are need to give it a rest. Name me one of these NFL reports that names their source. They don't b/c that is how reporting works. People don't give you information unless they remain "unnamed" b/c if they were named then they would likely be fired for leaking info. We will never know the names of any sources from any reporter, not JLC, not Mort, not Maske, not Mosesly, not any of them.

Posted by: jayandcat | April 2, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Boy maybe we luck out some way and we won't get him .An we go look at the used QB market one that we can use for this year

Then use the number pick next year to get a QB

Posted by: joevick | April 2, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez will go to the 49ers they want a QB bad and they don't like Stafford.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Hi JM,

Unfortunately, I will not be in the office (with my radio)at 1:45 (darn it!).

I'm sure this will be JC's last call on 980 and we will be stuck with that idiot Cutler!

I'm sooo over this organization.....:(

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What an effin joke Snyder is. He'll end up paying thru the nose for Denver's problem and end up giving away his problem (JC). If only there was someone at Redskin Park who could say cool off and think this thru just a bit. Maybe the tampering allegations will get his attention and get him to step back.

Posted by: skinswest | April 2, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

JLC has been dead right in his criticism of the FO. Thank you for the outstanding coverage, Jasno!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 2, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

wouldn't it be ironic if skins end up losing draft picks over haynesworth cuz that's what they were touting..."we didn't give up any draft picks for this guy...it was a steal..."...

i'm hoping they find skins guilty and they ban vinny from the nfl...

Posted by: dealer1 | April 2, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused here, how does giving up this year's 1st round pick, next years, first round pick and taking a 3 round pick for Jason Campbell make the Skins better with bringing in Cutler? The math does not work when the 3 primo O-tackles are close to busts and one of the guards is suspect. No true #1 or #2 receiver, minus a starting LB, two beat-up DE's and a starting running back that does not practice. Just how does this trade make the Skins better?

Posted by: Skinned | April 2, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, if you would be so kind, to post what JCamp has to say, I for one would appreciate it. Thanks.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

greg, speaking of lions...i think the broncos would love for cutler to go to the lions for their first round pick...

Posted by: dealer1 | April 2, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"yes, i too am thinking cutler pursuit=mike shanahan pursuit=end of the vinny era!

Posted by: dealer1 | April 2, 2009"

Priest Channeling->framed photo of Snidely parents on desk->Vinnie survives->Vinnie even thrives->the more mistakes made the more Vinnie thrives.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"Which Skins QB has had success anywhere else? Except for maybe Trent Green (and maybe Brad Johnson_), I don't recall anyone. Ramsey? Jeff George? The clowns that Spurrier brought with him?"

maybe brad johnson? SB ring anyone?


brains, they are whats for dinner.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 2, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Bean, I have 980 on here.

I'll post what he says when he comes on at 1:45 if Lisa cannot.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

How foolish will Danny Boy look. K.C. gets Matt Cassell and a veteran LB for a second rounder and we give up TWO FIRST ROUNDERS for a whinny QB with a sub .500 record despite playing in the same system under a HOF coach and in a TERRIBLE division for three years!!! Just think what JC17 could have done under those circumstances. We're just a QB/Coaching carosel.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 2, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And when Cutler is traded to the Jets or Bears or Bucs, the fat bag of pus will say, "Well, my sources (NFL execs, lol) told me the Redskins wanted him, so I had to report it."

Meanwhile, the suckers on this board will be anxiously awaiting the next non-story, so they can salivate over the possibilities.

Sincerely,

P.T. Barnum

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

This comment might be more idiotic than Snyder's decision to go after Cutler. Well, that's probably not true. But it's up there.

Get Snyder out of town. I hope Campbell has a monster year next year, regardless of where he is. Not like that would matter. Snyder and Cerrato are apparently immune to any form of comeuppance. That or they simply don't care about it. The Redskins are Snyder's play toy, and that means unfortunately for us, we have to deal with the reprecussions.

Posted by: CDon | April 2, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

No one is this town understands Snyder.

It's very simple -

He wants to win, but it's not his priority.

His priority is maximizing revenue and having fun running his organization. If he wins, that's gravy.

Cutler, AH, other FA's sell tickets and gear. Tickets and gear sell parking and beer.

It's very simple.

People, never forget this...

Posted by: gdennie | April 2, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Why in the hell would we waste a pick on another QB after drafting one last year?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 2, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

lisa, i'll archive it for you.

Posted by: dealer1 | April 2, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

mr21, thanks, I appreciate it......

hopefully, he says that the team has talked with him, and this is all just some made up bull crap, and they're working on an extension.....

One thing I find weird, that someone mentioned the other day, is the lack of reports about possible first round picks visiting the team.......not sure what to make of that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

yes, i too am thinking cutler pursuit=mike shanahan pursuit=end of the vinny era!

Posted by: dealer1 | April 2, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Cutler + Shanahan - Vinny - mediocre Campbell = a hellofa better situation than we have now even with the picks since it would still be Vinny making the picks. Tauscher is still out there so is orlando pace and there is still a good shot we could get a Loadholt or another decent RT in the 3rd. DO IT!

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

JC17 won't be mad if he BEAST out this year and we make him the next $100Mil Player in the league.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Priest channeling ... OH NO!!! His feet are twisting around and so is his head

Y'all realize that Jay Cutler's apologetic, sheepish tone is not so much due to recent bad publicity but to the fact that he knows he might end up playing for the SnidelyOwlSkins ...

a team that, much like my hated enemies the Oakland Raiders, NO PLAYER will want to end up on.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Interesting stats on Campbell misconceptions:

Jason Campbell was sacked 24 times this past season from a 4-man rush or less (meaning not on the blitz).

Against the blitz, Campbell completed 60.3% of his passes, 8 TDs vs 2 INTs, and a 90.5 rating.

On 184 blitzes, Campbell was sacked 14 times.

Inside the red zone, Campbell had 11 TDs vs 1 INT, 91.5 passer rating. Inside the 10 yard line, Campbell had 7 TDs vs 0 INTs, 104.2 passer rating.

In "close" 4th quarter games (defined as 7 pts or less margin), Campbell went 28 for 50, 380 yards, 7.60 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 100.4 rating.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I think Denver's plan was to ask soooo much for Cutler that nobody would trade for him giving Denver an excuse to keep him but Danny will screw up that plan and find a way to give up two first rounders.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 2, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Six flags is going in to bankruptcy, so for those wondering where Danny Boy is getting his money, it's from the folks still drinking his burgandy and gold kool aid. Boycott and he goes away!

Posted by: Leeguru | April 2, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Sonny will be on 980 at 1:25 to talk about the JC thing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the one thing Vinny has done decently is draft. He's found some good depth guys. Not many superstars, but good depth folks. So I'd rather entrust him to make selections in the draft. But why does getting Cutler make this team better. He's 17-20. Campbell is 16-20. Cutler plays in a MUCH weaker division. He hasn't been to the playoffs. He's a prima donna who thinks he's more talented than he really is. And why would Cutler play well in an offense that can't block pass rushers and can't generate any kind of passing game anyway because the receives are small and unable (aside from Moss) to get open. Not sure how this is an improvement in any way. It's a lateral move, really, and the Skins would be giving up a ton to make no forward progress. (I guess the whole thing could be an analogy for their putrid offense.)

Posted by: CDon | April 2, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

peric, i think all of us here believe that if there was ever a nuclear explosion in the washmetro area centered in ashburn...there'd be only cockroaches and vinny.

Posted by: dealer1 | April 2, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

bad situation --> worse

Cutler wasn't worth it. Now Cutler+Shanahan isn't worth it

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

It is times like this I wish that DC needed a 2nd football team.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"yes, i too am thinking cutler pursuit=mike shanahan pursuit=end of the vinny era!

Posted by: dealer1 | April 2, 2009"

Priest Channeling->framed photo of Snidely parents on desk->Vinnie survives->Vinnie even thrives->the more mistakes made the more Vinnie thrives.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 1:06 PM

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Shanahan will NOT want Vinny around.

And imagine Vinny's eyes and Shanahan's eyes in the same room!! It would be like a War of the Worlds Martian stare down!!! aaahhh.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Priest is channeling Dr. Kevorkian now:

I can't wait till Campbell has his monster break out year next year ...

just to post the stats along side of Jaded Jay's right here on RI. Rubbing that salt deep into those wounds ...

~evil cackle~

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait to see JC6 in a Skins uniform rip up his old team when the Broncos come to town this year and/or JC17 finally contribute to a Redskins win in his Broncos jersey (if they even want him). Does that mean we can cut Suisham too since he currently wears #6? Another reason to make the move.

Posted by: villaal | April 2, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow!!!
so many fans.
one owner.
one exe.
Don't like then don't watch.. change the team..
No Wonder!!

Posted by: skinsMill | April 2, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"Say what you will about the Patriots and their "cheating" but they were missing the best QB in the league last year and managed an 11-5 record with a guy who hadn't started since high school, yeah they don't know what they are doing up there. Would you rather be 11-5, every year, have a chance at the playoffs every year or be 8-8 and be the champs of the off-season. I'll take winning any day over the joke that is the Snyder Era Skins. "

--
I'm not saying the Skins are better.. I'm saying people need to stop putting the Patriots on this "they are great" platform. Take away their cheating years and they have a single Superbowl visit and a single play off visit.

Posted by: whatdiga | April 2, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan and Vinny are both apparently really good friends. They both have a connection to the West Coast from the 49ers as well.

If the Skins were able to get Shanahan AND Cutler, all this will be worth it. Shanahan can give input on who works on the offensive side of the ball (as that clearly hasn't been our drafting forte, outside of Cooley), while Vinny can keep his scouts giving hints on the defensive side of the ball (where we're much more successful).

I would feel bad for Zorn and Campbell though. Especially Campbell.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

if this trade isn't happening and people are hooking JLC to go down as an april fool's joke, I will die laughing

If this thing actually goes through, I'm done with the Skins. Even if they won the super bowl. I am defecting.

Posted by: moo21 | April 2, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

things I'll never repeat

Honey you can't get pregnant while nursing

I guess one more drink can't hurt

Come on Stevie two stories isn't that high

Let's just pour a couple gallons of gas down there and burn that crap out

Danny, he'll learn how to run a team from Joe Gibbs

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 2, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

noone, good stuff....especially the nursing part....had a "whoops" like that myself...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

You know who Dan Snyder's favorite player or coach is?

The next one.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 2, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

whats sonny got to say about this.......

I'm so glad that we're going into softball/fishing/summer....something to take my mind off this team.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Interesting to see what the Cowgirls fans are saying on their blog about this coaching / QB change debacle-
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149929

You would think they lived in DC!

Posted by: hman1217 | April 2, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

How many Redskins QB's does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Depends how much cap space and how many draft picks we can give up.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Attention American Sports Fan:

what makes you think that your sports organizations are any different from your other corporations and financial institution? This country has become a singular potential money making machine. period.

There is no honor, no integrity, no friendship, no goodwill for the common cause.

It is only about money and Mr. Snyder pretty much sums it up for you.

So, instead of your misplaced anger at Redskins for chasing the splash and the incresed ad revenues, direct your anger at yourself:

you, the nachos biting, beer-drinking, cheerleader loving, useless, fatass, sportsfan, who makes the money-making machine work!

Jay Cutler and Jason Campbell? they are laughing all the way to the bank everyday for making money for the money making machine. Ah the tears....


that being said, I strongly believe that Jason La Canfora is a perrenial SOB who lives to fulfill his dream of daily Redskins-bashing

JLC obviously consumes a ton of nachos/beer and scores 0 on journalistic integrity

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 2, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is NOT a west coast offense quarterback- let's face it. He's a number 1 draft pick and 4 years later they are still working on his mechanics. Campbell is a decent QB- could be a good QB in the right offense (shotgun).

Get Cutler in here now! I know it's not possible because of the cap- but let's send captain hanky panky back to Denver as well..

Posted by: richard_cranium | April 2, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

This is killing me. I have been a Redskins fan for thirty years, and they are testing my resolve.

Good post psps23 on Jason Campbell. And as another person mentioned, Cutler has faced some of the worst defenses in the NFL over his last two years. JC lives and works in the tough NFC East.

Instead of Cutler, lets try and get some offensive lineman who can hold up for 16 games and receivers (other than Moss) who can get some seperation. Do that, and we can talk about how much Jason Campbell will cost Danny Boy with his breakout season.

Posted by: fla-skinsfan | April 2, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "but two executives said that if the Skins are stuck with Cutler and Campbell, they may have to settle for a third or worse. No one would be rushing to help alleviate Washington's problems now, and the execs said it would be silly for a club to go ahead and trade a second for Campbell, given the uncertainty with the Cutler deal." The Skins should talk to the Phins about Campbell. They need a QB and have always been patsies in the past when the Skins needed a sucker to deal with.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 2, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

If we trade for cutler then the boycott must begin. if we give up two number 1s then forget boycott someone has to take tweedle dee and tweedle dum out. it's almost like the sub-prime approach to front office. i feel sick

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | April 2, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan hand picked Cutler. Shanahan is an offensive genius that can competently call a game from the sidelines. And has always built a dominant well-schooled Offensive line as a supreme judge of talent. Combine his HC skills and Cutler at QB with the NFL's 4th rated Defense.. and the Skins could be quite formidable next year.

On the other hand, keep Campbell and Zorn, who the opposing Defensive Coordinators figured out in the last 8 games of last year (2-6 W-L).. you will have the same if not worst record next year..

This is a no brainer if Snyder can pull it off.. If he does..09 would be something to look forward to...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

says it makes sense and that Cutler makes "Wow" plays and we've never had that from Campbell.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone catch how Jay Culter was interviewed at an Ultimate Fighting match?

(Sound of me puking.)

Posted by: drischord | April 2, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

How can two people possibly be so bad at their jobs? Sorry, how can one person be so bad at his job and another be so bad at knowing his role. Danny, you have ruined the Redskins. Vinny, you are a meathead idiot. Just when I think you morons have been mocked for every thing possible, you go and do something like this. Let's clandestinely go after one quarterback who has had a falling out with his team due to trade talk rumors and in the process do the same thing to our quarterback. Lucky for them, JC is a man and wont react the same way Cutler did. Anything other than a straight up swap at quarterback (Broncos would never do it) is unacceptable and should not be considered. The Pats have 6 picks in the top 100 this year, we have 2. Figure out the correlation. I hope six flags implodes and that egregious house you built in Potomac forecloses.

Posted by: snyderattosux | April 2, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Sonny said they are working on a deal.

He believes Cutler gives some upside over JC17.

He likes Cutler as a player.

Thinks JC17 has been held back by OC changes.

Doesn't think they would go to Shanahan this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Sonny was just saying that getting Cutler is a natural lead-in to bringing Shanahan on board.

But then he also said, "I don't see it happening."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Jase - good work, dude. You were the first to report that the Skins were bull rushing the Broncos immediately after it was announced that Cutler was on the block. You outscooped ESPN!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 2, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

While I loath the thought of giving up any 1st round pick(s) in a trade, I have to admit I see the merit of this idea... our o-line woes not withstanding, VinnyDanny are interested in positioning the team for long term success (5-10 year plan), and the opportunity to acquire a young, proven, Pro Bowl QB with experience in the type of offensive system you are trying to implement is not something that comes along too often.

If you look around our division, the other teams all have what could be called "marquee" QBs - McNabb, Manning, Romo - and no matter what you might think of JC17 as a player, he is not a "marquee" guy. I think that is what Danny wants, both from the business and football perspectives, and now he has an opportunity to get it.

But...as many on here have already stated, our OL is so troubling that we have to find a way to address that right now, especially if we are really going to invest picks and cap space in Cutler (a francise QB has to be protected).

Ideally, we would trade JC17 and only future picks (1st round in 2010, plus a 2nd in 2011?), and still retain our 1st rounder this year - if Andre Smith falls to us at #13, and we could plug him in immediately at RT, I think the line would be solid. LB and OG would have to be addressed in the later rounds.

Posted by: PDXskin | April 2, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe I'm reading all the posts saying boycott and blah blah blah...are you kidding me? What has JC done that makes him such a sacred cow, if you can get Cutler and Shanahan and have the stability of Shanahan as your coach for a long time and a 25 year old QB that can be your QB for a decade? give it to me plz. I'm tired of JC and I watched last season where we signed nobody and whiffed on 9 draft picks so I say trade the picks that you'd probably whiff on anyway for a franchise QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan hand picked Cutler. Shanahan is an offensive genius that can competently call a game from the sidelines. And has always built a dominant well-schooled Offensive line as a supreme judge of talent. Combine his HC skills and Cutler at QB with the NFL's 4th rated Defense.. and the Skins could be quite formidable next year.

On the other hand, keep Campbell and Zorn, who the opposing Defensive Coordinators figured out in the last 8 games of last year (2-6 W-L).. you will have the same if not worst record next year..

This is a no brainer if Snyder can pull it off.. If he does..09 would be something to look forward to...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

But this is exactly the kind of thinking under Snyder's tenure that's led to ONE playoff win. You absolutely CANNOT continue to change QBs and coaches at a whim and expect success. Guess what? It's never instant in the NFL. Sometimes it takes two or three years. So patience is required. Take some time, and you'll see results. But when you go the other way and continue to have high turnover throughout the roster, you'll never become a Super Bowl caliber team. And when you continue to bring in free agents, you never establish an identity. There's no Redskins way of doing things because free agents come in with their own set of beliefs and habits. But when you draft guys young and keep them around, you establish a culture. Then, when you bring in one or two key free agents, they fall in line. But when you continually shop, you ruin any chance of having an organizational identity. Snyder is a travesty, and he's the worst thing EVER to happen to the Redskins.

Posted by: CDon | April 2, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

JC is saying all the rights things so far.
He said he talked to Jim Zorn and Zorn said he gave him (JC) support and said he was "their guy."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I am such a sheep

No matter how bad the Redskins FO performs...I will be glued to my seat each and every sunday (at least until the playoffs start).

It is what is and they are what they are

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe I'm reading all the posts saying boycott and blah blah blah...are you kidding me? What has JC done that makes him such a sacred cow, if you can get Cutler and Shanahan and have the stability of Shanahan as your coach for a long time and a 25 year old QB that can be your QB for a decade? give it to me plz. I'm tired of JC and I watched last season where we signed nobody and whiffed on 9 draft picks so I say trade the picks that you'd probably whiff on anyway for a franchise QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

See the larger picture. It's really not specifically about JC for most people on here. It's about how the Skins do business and how it hasn't worked in more than a decade. Sure, on paper, Cutler and Shanahan look great. But so did Gibbs and so did Marty when he took over. But how did that turn on. Gibbs didn't get it done in four years, and Marty was given no chance to turn the team around. This is just Snyder again going for the big splash with no consideration of the ripple effect it leaves behind.

Posted by: CDon | April 2, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing is unreal. Let me say upfront that I don't mind getting another QB. I don't know who's to blame for our QB development but JC is missing something. This isn't college where the system wins. It's about players and I think that JC is missing an intangable, never gambles-doesn't seems to instill in his teammates a sense that no matter what we'll win. All that being said this owner and his little b**** have absolutly no idea on how to build a team and to make matters worse they have now alienated the starting QB (after just watching Denver destroy it's team). They don't have the picks to make this happen and have left our QB and the HC dangling. I'm taking odds on who our next HC will be (and what scrub we can pick up to QB this mess of an offense).

Posted by: jandlml | April 2, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Re: JC interview 980

He is either very gracious or very stupid.

Posted by: gdennie | April 2, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"I'm tired of JC and I watched last season where we signed nobody and whiffed on 9 draft picks so I say trade the picks that you'd probably whiff on anyway for a franchise QB."

You sound like a 3 year old whining in Toys 'R Us.

JC has improved every season.

The draft picks can't be called bust after only 1 season.

Where has playing fantasy football gotten this team?

The lines are old, this team needs draft picks.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Getting serious about comparing Campbell and Cutler


1. They both had essentially the identical QB rating

2. Campbell played against much tougher defenses, including 6 of 16 games against top 5 defenses

3. Cutler had a better OL to work behind

4. Cutler had better receivers

5. Cutler had a better offensive coach

6. Cutler played in the same system every year

7. Campbell is much cheaper than Cutler

How does anyone think Cutler is much more valuable than Campbell? The results simply don't back that up.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Jasons a class act!!! Synder YOU are a real Damn Freaking Tool...A real ass..How can you be so short sighted

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 2, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

zj, I believe the majority of the people on here have a problem with giving up the teams first round pick, IN ADDITION to whatever else the Bronco's would want.

Tell me, how is Cutler going to throw the ball down the field with his rocket arm, when he's sitting on his kiester....

Flound, thanks for posting that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

We need to get rid of Colt and bring in Jeff George...heard he has been working out!

"That leadership stuff is overrated"

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe I'm reading all the posts saying boycott and blah blah blah...are you kidding me? What has JC done that makes him such a sacred cow, if you can get Cutler and Shanahan and have the stability of Shanahan as your coach for a long time and a 25 year old QB that can be your QB for a decade? give it to me plz. I'm tired of JC and I watched last season where we signed nobody and whiffed on 9 draft picks so I say trade the picks that you'd probably whiff on anyway for a franchise QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 1:37 PM

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right on zjfr2
JC has never won nor taken the skins to the playoffs... QB rating of 80 average. chokes in the Red Zone. Was exposed by all the opposing Def Coordinators, 2-6 last 8 games. Basically, bend dont break defense and wait till he gets near the Red Zone where you can blitz LB's or CB's because of a shortened field and he cant make his second Read/ progression. Bingo! How to beat Jason Campbell.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

So JC says Zorn and coaches say that hes thier man and Vinny and Danny wont comment to him. Vinny I hate you..Danny I feel sorry for you.

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 2, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Jason said that Zorn and other coaches have talked to him and saying he is still their guy, No comment from Vinny.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Cutler has the quickest release in the league and if we get shanahan too, then we have a system that uses the shotgun, bootlegs, and rollouts to keep defenders off the qb and get him moving around more....Our line isn't great, but JC wasn't the most sacked QB in the league or the most pressured (check the stats) and he averaged less than a TD a game and 6 yards a completion...not good enough...

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

wow play -

JC17 avoid the rush, steps up and heaves a 67yard pass to MOss. Week 2. Redskins Win over Saints.

From espn 980, Jason Campbell:

"I'm a good QB and I'm gonna do whatever it takes to win.... In the NFL... there's always gonna be speculation.... Continue to prepare yourself. "

"I've talked to Zorn today, and a couple pof other coaches called me.. gave me their support.. and I'm not the problem... at the same time, i've got the support from my teammates and my coaches...i wanna make sure that I was always trying to put my team iin a good position to win.... I'm staying on top of the things that I need to be doing. At the end of the day, i'm trying to have the best season that I can.... 52 guys depend on me... I can't hang me and get down.. or lose sleep over. ... .I can't control this so I all do is continue to get better."

"I don't feel unwanted by the coaching staff or the teammates, not sure about what goes on up above [front off]... . I look at myself as one of the best Qbs in the league... everyone talks about 'franchise qb... look at peyton, he had to become a great qb."

Any contact with Dan S? 'No'... at the end of the day it's a business...."

Doesn't this piss you off? 'Yeah u get a chip on your shoulder... let it be known that you're a guy that can help this team win and get to the playoffs....'

Jason said he wouldn't feel awkward playing for the skins if the trade doesn't go through. "You're not gonna please everybody... in life or football...."

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

JC17 on he says:

You have to expect this he is not going to get down, he is going to play the best he can.

Prepare to play the best he can where ever he is.

He talked to Zorn today who gave him support, said JC is there guy.

If it doesn't pan out he will still play as hard as he can for the Skins, he will hold no grudge.

he wants to play hard for himself and his teamates.

He won't get down he wants to be here but he can't control what happens.

He will continue to work out like nothing is going on.

He sees himself as one of the top young QB's in the game.

hasn't talked to Snyder/Cerrato but doesn't worry about it, it's buisness.

Says this will give him a chip on his shoulder, if he is still here he wants to prove to everyone he is the QB.

He feels more comfortable in the offense and says he can play more freely.

Will not feel awkward playing for the Skins, he has support from coaches and teamates.

He knows everyone has opinions and he doesn't care about all that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

When Snyder sells the Skins, I'll be sold on watching them again.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 2, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

So JC says Zorn and coaches say that hes thier man and Vinny and Danny wont comment to him. Vinny I hate you..Danny I feel sorry for you.

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 2, 2009 1:44 PM |

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He didn't say Vinny or Danny WOULDN'T comment to him. He was asked if Vinny or Danny had CALLED him, and he said no.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

For all the Shanahan talk we forget one problem with this equation.

Clinto Portis, SHanahan is the reason that CP left denver and dont forget that CP is snyder's boy

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Dead man walking...

Posted by: gdennie | April 2, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I remember all the hype when Portis came to Washington. Going to be the same question...Is it Cutler making the system great or the system making Cutler great.

He throws for tons of yards cause the Broncos cant run the ball. I honestly don't believe that Campbell would sour to point of being a bad QB for us.

He (unlike Cutler) seems to be a true professional

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

JC has the right attitude. It's a business, and rumors blow over, and in a week or two when Cutler is wearing green & white, no one will care about this.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"right on zjfr2
JC has never won nor taken the skins to the playoffs... QB rating of 80 average. chokes in the Red Zone. Was exposed by all the opposing Def Coordinators, 2-6 last 8 games. Basically, bend dont break defense and wait till he gets near the Red Zone where you can blitz LB's or CB's because of a shortened field and he cant make his second Read/ progression. Bingo! How to beat Jason Campbell."

Hmmm, maybe you missed this post by psps23 :

Interesting stats on Campbell misconceptions:

Jason Campbell was sacked 24 times this past season from a 4-man rush or less (meaning not on the blitz).

Against the blitz, Campbell completed 60.3% of his passes, 8 TDs vs 2 INTs, and a 90.5 rating.

On 184 blitzes, Campbell was sacked 14 times.

Inside the red zone, Campbell had 11 TDs vs 1 INT, 91.5 passer rating. Inside the 10 yard line, Campbell had 7 TDs vs 0 INTs, 104.2 passer rating.

In "close" 4th quarter games (defined as 7 pts or less margin), Campbell went 28 for 50, 380 yards, 7.60 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 100.4 rating.


Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Any chance we get some lower round picks in exchange for the first rounders for Cutler... ? I hope the Skins' play hardball and demand say a 3rd this year and 2nd next for our two first round picks.. plus whomever they are trading. If we could subsidize the draft pick loss somehow ( even if it's a 3rd and 4th rounder for our two #1 picks ) Cutler would be huge if Zorn or whomever could keep him level

Posted by: cwprice2 | April 2, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

If everyone is in this chat board is so pissed at Snyder and Co. for their amatuer handling of this team I implore you to NOT RENEW YOUR SEASON tickets!!!!

Posted by: RedskinAddict | April 2, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Getting serious about comparing Campbell and Cutler


1. They both had essentially the identical QB rating

2. Campbell played against much tougher defenses, including 6 of 16 games against top 5 defenses

3. Cutler had a better OL to work behind

4. Cutler had better receivers

5. Cutler had a better offensive coach

6. Cutler played in the same system every year

7. Campbell is much cheaper than Cutler

8. (added) Campbell isn't a whiner with a dumb a$$ agent

How does anyone think Cutler is much more valuable than Campbell? The results simply don't back that up.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse


Bla Bla Bla!

Just get this guy.

Trade JC for a 3rd and let's get on with it.

Zorn may be the best at coaching
up QB's and he will do wonders for Jay.

==> Get excited skins fans

....this kid can play.

With a top 3 defense and a QB who can make plays....we will win our division.

BYE BYE giants,cowboys and Eagles fans

Our Defense is better than yours and with Jay, our QB will be better than yours

Two # 1's... no big deal

Add a third.... so what

Let's just.... Get -R -Done


Posted by: rhowze | April 2, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell on Devin Thomas: "I've been excited about the way he's been progressing this offseaons.. he's getting better and he wants to learn. Malcom is lifting wieghts, he wants to be out there..."

Jason was very classy. Said he feels wanted by the Coaching staff, didn't mention the front office.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

If everyone is in this chat board is so pissed at Snyder and Co. for their amatuer handling of this team I implore you to NOT RENEW YOUR SEASON tickets!!!!

I stopped my package after they drafted Michael Westbrook!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 2, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Interesting stats on Campbell misconceptions:

Jason Campbell was sacked 24 times this past season from a 4-man rush or less (meaning not on the blitz).

Against the blitz, Campbell completed 60.3% of his passes, 8 TDs vs 2 INTs, and a 90.5 rating.

On 184 blitzes, Campbell was sacked 14 times.

Inside the red zone, Campbell had 11 TDs vs 1 INT, 91.5 passer rating. Inside the 10 yard line, Campbell had 7 TDs vs 0 INTs, 104.2 passer rating.

In "close" 4th quarter games (defined as 7 pts or less margin), Campbell went 28 for 50, 380 yards, 7.60 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 100.4 rating.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 1:12 PM

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For comparison's sake:

Jay Cutler was sacked 4 times this past season from a 4-man rush or less (meaning not on the blitz).

Against the blitz, Cutler completed 56.3% of his passes, 7 TDs vs 1 INTs, and a 88.7 rating.

On 158 blitzes, Cutler was sacked 7 times.

Inside the red zone, Cutler had 17 TDs vs 4 INTs, 74.1 passer rating. Inside the 10 yard line, Cutler had 9 TDs vs 1 INT, 73.0 passer rating.

In "close" 4th quarter games (defined as 7 pts or less margin), Cutler went 50 for 83, 576 yards, 6.94 YPA, 5 TDs, 3 INTs, 86.2 rating.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

zj, at this point, shanahan is not coming here, so if you get Cutler, the first year you have him trying to learn Zorn's system. So how is that going to be so much better than a guy who has already BEEN THROUGH one year of Zorns system, and knows it better his second year??

Thanks for posting about 980 guys....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

j.cam is the man!!! keep him!!! how did the last skins/ broncos trade work out??? the jury is still out on that trade...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | April 2, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Honestly though,

I think if the deal goes down, wherever JC lands will be my second favorite team...

I think he will be here in DC.

I live in cheyenne so all the talk is about the Broncos...Cutler is getting "murdered" here on the air for being a whiner.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I didn't renew this year. I'm not paying that much money for this cr-p.

If everyone is in this chat board is so pissed at Snyder and Co. for their amatuer handling of this team I implore you to NOT RENEW YOUR SEASON tickets!!!!

I stopped my package after they drafted Michael Westbrook!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 2, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: smutsboy | April 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Broncos sources now reporting Cutler could be deal could be done as soon as tomorrow!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

No he wasn't. Portis left Denver because he wanted a new, huge contract and Denver wouldn't give him.

For all the Shanahan talk we forget one problem with this equation.

Clinto Portis, SHanahan is the reason that CP left denver and dont forget that CP is snyder's boy

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: smutsboy | April 2, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm busy checking TnR,SI,ESPN, and the Times for sources. BRB

Posted by: JLaCanfora | April 2, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm busy checking TnR,SI,ESPN, and the Times for sources. BRB

Posted by: JLaCanfora | April 2, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse


Interesting stats on Campbell misconceptions:

Jason Campbell was sacked 24 times this past season from a 4-man rush or less (meaning not on the blitz).

Against the blitz, Campbell completed 60.3% of his passes, 8 TDs vs 2 INTs, and a 90.5 rating.

On 184 blitzes, Campbell was sacked 14 times.

Inside the red zone, Campbell had 11 TDs vs 1 INT, 91.5 passer rating. Inside the 10 yard line, Campbell had 7 TDs vs 0 INTs, 104.2 passer rating.

In "close" 4th quarter games (defined as 7 pts or less margin), Campbell went 28 for 50, 380 yards, 7.60 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 100.4 rating.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 1:12 PM

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For comparison's sake:

Jay Cutler was sacked 4 times this past season from a 4-man rush or less (meaning not on the blitz).

Against the blitz, Cutler completed 56.3% of his passes, 7 TDs vs 1 INTs, and a 88.7 rating.

On 158 blitzes, Cutler was sacked 7 times.

Inside the red zone, Cutler had 17 TDs vs 4 INTs, 74.1 passer rating. Inside the 10 yard line, Cutler had 9 TDs vs 1 INT, 73.0 passer rating.

In "close" 4th quarter games (defined as 7 pts or less margin), Cutler went 50 for 83, 576 yards, 6.94 YPA, 5 TDs, 3 INTs, 86.2 rating.

Posted by: psps23*****

Stats don't tell the whole story. psps23, looks to me they are rather close, except that Cutler doesn't get sacked as much by a 4 man line. I and many others have said JC holds the ball too long. I think that contributes to sacks and makes the O-line look weaker than it really is. Denver's D was pathetic last year and Cutler may have forced some things, but I would like to see him throwing with his quick release, TD's for the Skins. He may even make the mediocre Wr's look good.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 2, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Success is the best revenge...

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

How about we give up next year's 3rd rounder and throw in Snyder and Cerrato!

Posted by: teamhaterade | April 2, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

People like this idiot shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
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cutler = lombardi trophy. forget all the glaring holes at LB, o-line, and DE. we're all gravy if we get cutler and everyone knows it.

Posted by: dadanimal | April 2, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: whughes1 | April 2, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Success is the best revenge...

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 2:01 PM

Aye

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Why couldn't we just go after Jeff George again. He has to be cheaper :)

Posted by: fearturtle44 | April 2, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Denver wants 2 1st rounders for Cutler.

McDaniels likes Cassel who is from USC.

Sanchez is available and the Lions have 2 1st rounders.

Seems like a good fit. Narrowly avoiding disaster is my hope.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 2, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The Tennessee Titans have asked the NFL to consider tampering charges against the Washington Redskins in the signing of free agent defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, The (Nashville) Tennessean reported, citing unnamed sources familiar with the situation.

According to the report, the Titans did not file a formal grievance with the NFL over the Redskins' quick agreement with Haynesworth, which was reached just hours after the league's free-agent period began. Instead, the team provided the league with newspaper articles and audio from a Washington, D.C.-area radio station -- evidence the Titans say implies Washington had improper contact with Haynesworth before free agency began at 12 a.m. on Feb. 27.

Haynesworth said, "All I know is the Redskins called my agent at 11:04 p.m. Nashville time [12:04 a.m. ET] and they started negotiating then,'' he said, according to The Tennessean. "They weren't anywhere close in the first couple of hours and then they got serious. Chad worked the deal then and it worked out.''
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So they didn't file a former grievance, and their case is being made with newspaper articles and radio transcripts.

Good luck with that, Tennessee.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The Skins should talk to the Phins about Campbell. They need a QB and have always been patsies in the past when the Skins needed a sucker to deal with.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 2, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Vinny really got one over on the Tuna last year in that trade for Jason Taylor, didn't he?

Chad Pennington - for all his flaws - made the playoffs last year in the team that equalled the lowest turnover record. He had more yards passing, and threw for more TDs. Why is it we need Jason again?

The Tuna will continue building from the lines out this year. The playoff loss to the Ravens proved the need to do that, Every snap Chad had about 0.15 seconds to throw before he got hit.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

This is frustrating to me in that if JZ is confident in Campbell's ability, then why is the FO (Snyder) pushing so hard for this trade to happen. This team has too many other pressing issues. At the present asking price, the trade is just not worth it.

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

To isnadd, Kornheiser and all the rest who think Cutler is so much better than JC: factor in, 1) Stokey is a big, fast receiver of pro bowl quality; 2) Denver has a nasty, cohesive, well-coached O-line; 3) Cutler benefited by having the same coach and system for his whole time in Denver, 4) Cutler's statement of shock that he is on the trading block "so soon" show's he's nuts or just playin' games; 5) JC has no big receiver or one of pro bowl quality except Cooley; 6) Redskins line is shakey which is why things bogged down last season; 7) JC has had different coaches and systems throughout his career as a Redskin (you can't have cohesion or advance fast or far if you have to learn a new language and philosophy every year); 8) JC reacted to the news of the possible trade with maturity, saying that he is just working to prepare for the season and not going to worry about things he can't control, 9) their stats are very similar over their careers - factor in all the above stated differences and you have JC being as good, potentially better than Cutler.

Cutler's cry-baby nature in this situation in Denver, especially not even talking to the new coach or owner, and you have to wonder what will happen when he faces adversity in D.C. I question his mental toughness, maturity and ability to handle adversity.

Finally, switch the QB's on the Denver and Washington teams as they stand now and ask yourself, who is going to get better results, i.e., wins, in the next two or three years?

Posted by: kirbzone78 | April 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

If everyone is in this chat board is so pissed at Snyder and Co. for their amatuer handling of this team I implore you to NOT RENEW YOUR SEASON tickets!!!!

I stopped my package after they drafted Michael Westbrook!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 2, 2009 1:51 PM

You "stopped your package?" Didn't that hurt? And what changes did they make in response?

Dude, you can count on the fingers of your package the number of people who post here and who are season ticket holders.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

i just went to nfl.com highlights of denver and cutler made some good throws but you talk about bad decisions. also look at his protection on the picks he throws. also cutler had alot of goalline tds. thats why he had 25 tds. also he has a 6'4 230pd wr in the red zone. look at 5 of the 6 td marshall had. campbell has lil wr. campbell has no protection. he doesnt cry when things good wrong either.
redskin fans yall are crazy if yall want a unproven cry baby. if campbell was protect like cutler i think he get 30-35 tds and only 10 picks. look at the highlights, campbell was on his back all the time. cutler set back there looking pretty and threw picks with great protection.
go look at nfl.com denver highlights and see cutler mess up. people think he is great b/c he went to the pro bowl. no he is not mentally.
danny and vinny dont make this deal, please.

Posted by: frankluckett | April 2, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Given the accuracy (or lack thereof) of JLC and JR in the past regarding Redskins matter......who knows if the Redskins are even really trying to trade for Cutler??

I'd expect to look into it.....but until I hear it from a reliable source (i.e. Not anyone from the Washington Post lately)....

I'll chalk it up to writers trying to once again get attention or agents trying to get attention to their clients by using the REDSKINS name....Once again.

Posted by: goosedude | April 2, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

if JZ is telling JC one thing, and then they end up trading JC, then if I'm JZ, I walk, both fingers extended at my previous employers.....no one is gonna hold it against him, considering what he had to deal with....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"I and many others have said JC holds the ball too long. I think that contributes to sacks and makes the O-line look weaker than it really is."

Maybe he does. But then again, the another stat that sticks out is that Cutler throws more INTs than Campbell. It's very possible that Cutler's insistence on getting rid of the ball under pressure instead of taking the sack leads to these INTs -- and subsequently makes the o-line look better than it actually is.

Honestly, I'm truly on the fence about this. Most of the pro-Campbell's here are severely underestimating the potential that Cutler has. And most of the pro-Cutler's are severely underestimating the skills Campbell has (such as propagating the myth that he can't think quick or handle a blitz, when his numbers against the blitz clearly thwart that argument).

I'm trying to get down and dirty with this thing. Finding out where the true differences lie.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I'm in favor of acquiring Cutler...

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 8:52 AM

Wow! Say it ain't so. Not the president of the JC17 RI Fan Club. First, Danny, Vinny, and Zorn. Now you? What about his year-to-year improvement and all of his skills? Why are you of all people bailing on him for Cutler?

There is some sarcasm laced in there but I would like to hear why you believe Cutler is a better option. Even when we don't agree, I always find your posts thoughtful.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't care who is the qb next year, I'm just so DEAD SET AGAINST trading ANY picks. Cutler, Campbell, heck, Frerrotte, can be the qb, just don't trade picks......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

After listening to Campbell on 980 I am in favor of Cutler. Guy is a complete idiot to think the way he thinks. I beleive that is why he will never be a great QB. LAck emotion and has NO clue what is really going on.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 2, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Campbell isn't the answer, but this isn't how you find answers.

I've been a fan of this team for my entire life from watching the super bowls in the 80s as a kid through the last decade or so of bad teams. I sadly had to move away for a job, but every year I still put money, time, and effort into following this team. If this goes through, how many draft picks will they have invested in a quarterback? If they give up multiple draft picks that could actually help this team for yet another player with million dollar talent and a 10 cent head (and I'm referring as much to the interceptions and his play on the field as the recent developments), I'm done. I won't be a fan of another team, I'm just done with this organization. I can't take it anymore. I can no longer stomach following a franchise that has such blatant disregard for building a team.

Posted by: manifested | April 2, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone getting flashbacks of the # of times we have heard "Redskins are interested in trading for XXX player"....when none of it was true???

I'm getting really sick of the sports media.

Posted by: goosedude | April 2, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

pambrian;

Pioli (former NE) GM got the guy he wanted, cassel. No way he gives him up to McDaniels (also from NE)

Posted by: Zeebs | April 2, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone getting flashbacks of the # of times we have heard "Redskins are interested in trading for XXX player"....when none of it was true???

I'm getting really sick of the sports media.

Posted by: goosedude | April 2, 2009 2:14 PM |

The only problem is when that happens, what does it do for the psyche of the guy on the block. I think Campbell has the maturity to look past it. He may be silently happy to play for a functional organization

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

B-Mitch has his Hate Machine revved up, claiming some Skins o-linemen would rather have another QB (based on a photo from the WP last year where Campbell was sacked and the o-linemen walked back to the huddle).


B-Mitch also said when Zorn said they had no interest in Cutler (a phrase I haven't heard, but maybe Zorn said that), that he (B-Mitch) ""didn't believe him."

I liked him as a player, but these days the cat is just sad, sad, sad.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe Campbell isn't the answer, but this isn't how you find answers"

Exactly. You let JCamp play out this year, if he stinks, you walk away, if he blows up, you franchise him, and sign him long term. No loss of picks.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I hate you Daniel Snyder... I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you...

Posted by: DCXNTX | April 2, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

If the trade was JC for JC straight up, then I'd deal with it. The sickening part is losing two first round picks when we have the oldest and least dependable O-line in the league!

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 2, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

On Cooley's blog they posted JC's interview from comcast last night

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Giving away draft picks like candy.

A failed philosophy followed only by Dan Snyder.

Posted by: smutsboy | April 2, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"And then they wonder why chemistry suffers and me-guys remain me-guys and their highest-paid players aren't often real team leaders."

Hey Jason, guess what?

Culter is beter then Campbell, Hall is better then any other CB on the roster.

I'd rather have those two guys then anyone else on the Skins roster at the moment.

To throw "Lloyd" in there is just a big fat joke, he's not even in the same league as those other two guys.

I just think it's funny that management is undoing everything that St. Joe did. Maybe St. Joe wasn't as good of a GM as people thought he was eh?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 2, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

ESPN.com news services

A source close to the negotiations told ESPN's Ed Werder on Wednesday night that trade talks between the Broncos and Redskins had intensified soon after reports that Pat Bowlen would entertain offers for Cutler. Another source indicated Thursday that the Redskins would be willing to part ways with LaRon Landry, in addition to Jason Campbell, and their 13th selection in this years draft in order to secure the rights to the 25 year-old Quarterback from Vanderbilt University.

The Broncos had been seeking a first-round pick in next year's draft and a first-round selection this year or an equivalent package, according to the source. The Redskins were believed to be unwilling to provide Denver with an additional first-round pick in next years draft, which prompted the Redskins to include LaRon Landry in the deal.

ESPN.com's Matt Mosley has been told by a Redskins source that there is a feeling in the organization that Cutler could take the team to the next level, and bring stability to a position that the Redskins have lacked for the past 15 years.

Quarterback is a position the Redskins had not been expected to address in the upcoming draft, due to the team expecting Jason Campbell to thrive in his second year under coach Jim Zorn.

Cerrato said last week in a radio interview that Jason Campbell would be the Redskins quarterback this year. He and Snyder make another big splash just weeks after signing Albert Haynesworth to a record contract.

Ed Werder covers the NFL for ESPN. Matt Mosley covers the NFL for ESPN.com.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/...e=ESPNHeadlines

Posted by: FoneBooth | April 2, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Nevermind the financial part of it...or the future picks, etc just for a second.

I am curious, does anyone think that Cutler would PERFORM better than Campbell?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I and many others have said JC holds the ball too long. I think that contributes to sacks and makes the O-line look weaker than it really is."

Maybe he does. But then again, the another stat that sticks out is that Cutler throws more INTs than Campbell. It's very possible that Cutler's insistence on getting rid of the ball under pressure instead of taking the sack leads to these INTs -- and subsequently makes the o-line look better than it actually is. ***

Good point. Don't forget the D for Denver was very weak last year and perhaps, Cutler had to take more chances? Not sure really.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 2, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

it is nice how they do this after the season ticket bill is due

Posted by: connskins | April 2, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

We must sign Jay Cutler. It will be a huge mistake if we don't. The last time a QB this good was available was Drew Brees. The Redskins missed the boat on that one. Please trade Campbell for a 2nd or 3rd round pick and draft lineman with every pick the rest of the draft.

Posted by: atidball | April 2, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

St. Joe wasn't a good GM, but it looks like Snyder is even worse.

Posted by: smutsboy | April 2, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Daniels is official per redskins.com

Cutler sux

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 2, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"Another source indicated Thursday that the Redskins would be willing to part ways with LaRon Landry, in addition to Jason Campbell, and their 13th selection in this years draft"


Wow....just wow.....nothing more needs to be said. So that would be 3 first round picks for Cutler.......Holy crapola.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato and Snyder have once again proved that they are nothing but a couple of jock sniffing db's with egos too big for their own damn good. This takes the cake. You can both eat a bag of d*cks. I am no longer interested in pulling for a team that's run by a couple of prejacking jock sniffing retards. GO CAPS!

Posted by: jeffhayes1 | April 2, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

The media here (Big Denver market) is talking up the Detroit angle much more than the Skins angle.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Fone, that obvisouly isnt true because we are seeking a third team to trade JC too.

We give up picks, very rarely players, unless it is a position swap (QB for QB)

Worse case secenario---->

We give up 2 1's, and send JC for a third

We should be able to swing a three way deal.

Den to Wash - Cutler
Wash to Den - 13th and JC
Den to 3rd team - #12 pick
3rd team to Wash - 19# (TB)

Posted by: Zeebs | April 2, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

After listening to Campbell on 980 I am in favor of Cutler. Guy is a complete idiot to think the way he thinks. I beleive that is why he will never be a great QB. LAck emotion and has NO clue what is really going on.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 2, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

You're right. This is what the Skins need.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_12051237

"During a 33-19 loss to Kansas City in September, Cutler came unglued in the third quarter, all because a journeyman receiver named Cliff Russell made a mistake on a pass route, resulting in an incompletion.

During a timeout the anger was written in red on Cutler's face. He was spitting mad.

Hey, stuff happens. An NFL quarterback is paid big bucks to manage a crisis, not melt down.

But, when the Broncos returned to the field, Cutler threw two interceptions in the team's next four offensive snaps, committing the turnovers within a span of 60 seconds that saw Denver unravel in a revealing defeat to a truly awful AFC West opponent."

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 2, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

trading #30

I feel cold

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

After listening to Campbell on 980 I am in favor of Cutler. Guy is a complete idiot to think the way he thinks. I beleive that is why he will never be a great QB. LAck emotion and has NO clue what is really going on.
Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 2, 2009 2:13 PM

F*ck dude, did you want him to cry about how his team is considering trading him?

LaRon Landy, Jason Campbell and the 13th overall pick DOES NOT EQUAL Jay Cutler

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I heard they're willing to trade Landry, Hall, Fletcher, Carter AND Campbell for Jay Cutler!

humminahumminahumminahummina...

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

If Cutler is the way he is in a stable organization, why do we tjink he could perform in an organization that on its best day is dysfunctional

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand1,

The reason why I would give the edge to Cutler is because I don't think there's another young QB in this league with Cutler's potential, speaking purely on the football field. If you had asked me directly following the season to rank the QBs in the league based on who I'd want on this team, taking into account current form as well as the long-term future, my list would have started (1) Brady, (2) P.Manning, (3) Jay Cutler. Completely honest here. Nobody has his overall skillset. Arm-strength, elusiveness, precision, accuracy, touch, the kid has it all. And given that he's only been a full-time starter for 2 years, there's no reason for me to believe that his numbers, already impressive, wouldn't improve as he netted more experience. In fact, his numbers are very similar to Peyton Manning when he first entered the league -- high INTs and all.

Of course, that was before his character outbursts reared their heads.

Truly, I don't know right now. I think Campbell would be better for this upcoming season, but the intrigue from a talent like Cutler is very hard to pass up. If it weren't for his seemingly petulant attitude, I'd say it's nearly a lock that he becomes a perennial pro-bowler if he could settle in somewhere. And that's worth sacrificing for, IMO. It just depends on how much.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

AP!! Per an inside source, Dan Snyder just offered himself and the Redskins for the Bronco's.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 2, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

If this trade were to happen it would be reminiscent of the Shuler / Frerotte situation:

Cutler is Shuler….Colt Brennen is Frerotte. Colt knows the system and will probably look more impressive in practice and preseason. Colt will be the QB that fans will be pulling for….Then what???

Posted by: pennstate1 | April 2, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

This aint going down. The more time passes the less likely it happens. JC17 will ride the bitter bus all the way to another 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 season. Then next year we can try again. Hopefully with all draft picks in hand ready to get young, hungry players.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 2, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

That Landry report is a bogus news item from April Fools' Day on Exxxxxxxxxxtremeskinzzzz

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?p=6271087

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 2, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

We all as Redskins fans need to put a foot down and just say no to Danny. Stop buying the jerseys, don't renew you tickets and voice our opinion on how he has ruined a great franchise. Cerrato and Synder must go. Next time I see him in the team hotel I will risk being tossed and yell " Sell the team you midget".

Posted by: karl_grebe | April 2, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

O.k. this is getting stupid now.

If the Front office is willing to part with J. Campbell, Laron Landry, and The 13th pick then they are truly the morons we thought they were.

This is why all of Snyder's business have failed over the long haul.

Snyder creates alot of buzz which in turn creates alot of immediate cash which he then goes and buys another business while the intial business slowly dies.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "League sources say the Jets and Bucs are the other teams really making a push ...". The Bucs and the Jests are hard up for a QB, the Skins not so until now but how could they continue with Campbell after this, having tried to jilt him for Cutler? The Broncos want 2 1st round picks, probably more of an opening bid than a realistic expectation. And the Broncos want more than just 1st rounders, they want 1st rounders that allow them to draft a replacement for Cutler. The Skins 2008 1st round pick is slightly better than either TB or the Jets, but this is important because if the Skins don't get Cutler they will be in a position to pick Sanchez before the Broncos could if they get either TB's or the Jet's 2009 1st for Cutler. Josh McD would probably settle for Sanchez - the Trojans run the same kind of O as he wants to in Denver. The winner of the Cutler derby may come down to who can come up with the best package of picks to allow Denver to get their QB of the future.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 2, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

When you comment on chemistry and throw Portis's name in there I think you really don't have an understanding of what a football player is. Portis plays his tail off and takes a battering he is entitled to act anyway he wants as long as he does not disrupt chemistry or disobey law.

This whole Cutler trade is ridiculous Snyder should sell the team he is so clueless as to how run a successful football operation and no matter who they bring in this team will be a failure

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | April 2, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"During a 33-19 loss to Kansas City in September, Cutler came unglued in the third quarter, all because a journeyman receiver named Cliff Russell made a mistake on a pass route, resulting in an incompletion."

No wonder Cutler is worried about coming here ...
Russell is yet another failed wide receiver draft pick for the Snyderato twins ...

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I challenge Dan Snyders sanity.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Maske is an idiot.

This is the same guy who thought that Spurrier was just "peachy keen". Probably why you have La Canfora as the Redskins beat reporter ..

Cutler is NOT the reincarnation of Christian Adolph Jurgenson. He may be the reincarnation of Jeff George ...

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping that the trade will not go through not only because I believe in Jason Campbell but also because of the fallout that will result.

Can you guys imagine the deliciously epic implosion that will occur if this falls through? I would take ABSOLUTE PLEASURE in watching that badly-run, loser organization explode, sort of like Nero watching Rome burn. It will be awesome to watch the posting boards erupt and the TV ratings and season ticket waiting list decline geometrically.

Go Caps and Rock the Red! Go to hell Burgundy and Gold!

-an ex-Lower Potomac Indigeneous Peoples fan

Posted by: playahatah | April 2, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Where you at chris? Working on the happy hour angle

Posted by: Zeebs | April 2, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

serenity now serenity now serenity now

Posted by: braker19cleartheline | April 2, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

This is why all of Snyder's business have failed over the long haul.

Snyder creates alot of buzz which in turn creates alot of immediate cash which he then goes and buys another business while the intial business slowly dies.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 2:35 PM |

Dude. You have been reading too many news articles about Ponzi schemes.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 2, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"Exactly. You let JCamp play out this year, if he stinks, you walk away, if he blows up, you franchise him, and sign him long term. No loss of picks.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009"

YOU draft Sanchez if you are that worried. Now you have 2 QBs you can trade for your favorite bubble gum card QB.

Snyder is completely OUT-OF-CONTROL ...

ZERO WINS SIXTEEN LOSSES here we come ...

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

my post from March 18:
Just for those who want a rumor to wake up to, here it is:

The Skins will trade for Cutler -- or at least attempt it. Indeed, it will be a 3-way trade. The preferred partner is Cleveland in the AFC, but Arizona is apparently interested in letting Leinart go. McDaniels thinks the world of Matt Cassel. Leinart and Cassell learned to QB from the same staff since Cassel was Leinart's backup at USC. Since McDaniels was able to coach up Cassel, he expects he can do the same with the more talented Leinart.

Jason Campbell obviously goes, but it could be to AZ. Campbell is cheaper than Leinart, and better prepped if Warner goes down -- and Warner has a history of injury. Plus, its unclear if Warner plays just one more year or goes for 2. Its open as to who the other high paid player will be to leave DC, but Cooley is definitely a possibility since he and Campbell have some chemistry.

Some draft picks will get shuffled to even things out. The Skins will likely get some, not give them away.

If they can pull off the trade, part 2 happens. This is the BLOCKBUSTER part of it.

Mike Shanahan will be named the Skins head coach, Zorn will be given the position of assistant head coach, offense. Shanahan will report to Dan Snyder, with an arrangement similar to what Gibbs had when he was here. Whether Shanahan is named team president is unclear at this point.

Shanahan thinks incredibly highly of Cutler. He moved up 4 slots in the draft to get him. He benched Jake Plummer during Cutler's rookie year, despite Jake having been QB in the Broncos run to the AFC championship game the prior year and being 7-4 at the time. After the season ended, Shanahan sent Jake packing, leaving Cutler firmly in charge. Make no mistake, Shanahan believes in having a great QB. He sees Cutler as the successor to Elway in Shanahan's offense -- whether in Denver or DC.

As for another transition -- its more straightforward than it might appear. Shanahan is a WCO guy. Shanahan is roughly Zorn's uncle on the Walsh coaching tree. Shanahan replaced Mike Holmgren as offensive coordinator in SF when Holmgren took the Packers HC job. Since Zorn learned the WCO from Holmgren, the transition from Zorn's offense to Shanahan's should be pretty straightforward. Both Shanahan and Holmgren won Super Bowls as the offensive coordinator for SF.

All in all, this deal makes sense for all parties. Denver gets a QB it wants (Campbell or Leinart). The team that gets Campbell may get Cooley, instant chemistry. Cerrato gets a chance to redeem himself with the Fred Davis draft pick -- as he becomes that starter, plus the Skins get a top coach with the QB he believes in. A subtle benefit for Cerrato is that he no longer has his future linked so closely to Zorn. AZ, if they get Campbell+Cooley, get insurance/replacement for Warner and another major receiving threat on a team that thrives through the air.

Seems like it could be true ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Honestly, I'm truly on the fence about this. Most of the pro-Campbell's here are severely underestimating the potential that Cutler has. And most of the pro-Cutler's are severely underestimating the skills Campbell has (such as propagating the myth that he can't think quick or handle a blitz, when his numbers against the blitz clearly thwart that argument).

I'm trying to get down and dirty with this thing. Finding out where the true differences lie. "

Man, the difference is probably just that most talent evaluators say Cutler has the raw physical tools to be an elite qb (Manning, Brady). Most people think Campbell has the ability to lead a team to the Super Bowl, maybe even pro-bowl level talent, if his line could keep him off his back and get one more pass catcher (so Cooley and Moss can't be constantly doubled). That's it; they're both players, and you can probably win with either. The cost of Cutler tho (no stud RT this year) makes it unlikely we can keep Cutler off the ground and healthy. So it's a toss-up: if you think Cutler's release is quick enough to negate what is bound to be a heavy rush, get him. If not, don't... and try to keep Campbell upright. And develop Thomas/Kelly. Personally, I'd like to see how those two develop catching passes from Cutler. But it's a close call.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 2, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

GO NATS!!! Doing things THE RIGHT WAY!!!!

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

One of two other problems...

If Zorn publicly backed Campbell at every turn and the FO did an end-around and is Chasing Cutler; what does that say about the relationship there.

Or Zorn will say whatever he is told to say by the FO which means he too is a sheep

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Work it Zeebs, I'm gonna need a drink if this Landry, JC, and the 13th pick nonsense turns out to be reality. Make that a double!

Posted by: Skins281 | April 2, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

These stats on the surface makes you wonder why 31 other GM's in the league think Campbell is worth no more than a second round pick according to newswire reports today. Maybe overall production is more important to GM's then safe short pass stats (low yardage). JC has exactly these short yardage stats. Look at the difference in Cutler's total passing yards and JC's.. MORE THAN 2000 YARDS.

Percentages can make anyone look great when it doesnt reflect cumulative production. Production stats is more important then percentage stats.

Both QB's played 16 games last season Cutler was 3rd in the NFL in passing yards (4,526 yards), Jason was 23rd (3,245)(and near last in points scored). Cutler had a 86 QB Rating, 25 TD's 18 Ints and Campbell had 13 TD's and 6 Ints and 84 QB Rating.

Cutler showed an improvement of nearly 20-25 percent in all categories from 2007.. Jason showed no signifcant improvement.

The Comparisons below are worthless percentages..Its production scoring totals that count.. Not short stat padding throws....

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Interesting stats on Campbell misconceptions:

Jason Campbell was sacked 24 times this past season from a 4-man rush or less (meaning not on the blitz).

Against the blitz, Campbell completed 60.3% of his passes, 8 TDs vs 2 INTs, and a 90.5 rating.

On 184 blitzes, Campbell was sacked 14 times.

Inside the red zone, Campbell had 11 TDs vs 1 INT, 91.5 passer rating. Inside the 10 yard line, Campbell had 7 TDs vs 0 INTs, 104.2 passer rating.

In "close" 4th quarter games (defined as 7 pts or less margin), Campbell went 28 for 50, 380 yards, 7.60 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 100.4 rating.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 1:12 PM

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For comparison's sake:

Jay Cutler was sacked 4 times this past season from a 4-man rush or less (meaning not on the blitz).

Against the blitz, Cutler completed 56.3% of his passes, 7 TDs vs 1 INTs, and a 88.7 rating.

On 158 blitzes, Cutler was sacked 7 times.

Inside the red zone, Cutler had 17 TDs vs 4 INTs, 74.1 passer rating. Inside the 10 yard line, Cutler had 9 TDs vs 1 INT, 73.0 passer rating.

In "close" 4th quarter games (defined as 7 pts or less margin), Cutler went 50 for 83, 576 yards, 6.94 YPA, 5 TDs, 3 INTs, 86.2 rating.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 1:52 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP THIS MADNESS!!!!! DON'T MORTGAGE OUR FUTURE BY DOING THIS STUPID TRADE!!!!! I AM ASHAMED OF BEING A REDSKIN FAN :(

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 2, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is completely OUT-OF-CONTROL ...

ZERO WINS SIXTEEN LOSSES here we come ...

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 2:41 PM

Imagine what mischief he could create with the number 1 overall pick in the draft. Assuming he doesn't trade it, of course.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Please God, no Cutler.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | April 2, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The idea that the Skins go 0-16 by trading for Cutler is a bit extreme.

I don't know how much better we would be, but I don't think we would be worse

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Dont think it will happen skins281, someone said it was a rumor from extreme skins.

Happy hour looking less likely by the minute

Posted by: Zeebs | April 2, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

One of two other problems...

If Zorn publicly backed Campbell at every turn and the FO did an end-around and is Chasing Cutler; what does that say about the relationship there.

Or Zorn will say whatever he is told to say by the FO which means he too is a sheep

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 2:43 PM |

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Zorn has never made personnel decisions.. Remember Derrick Frost's parting statements.. Performance had nothing to do with his departure..

Bore out to be true.. Vinny wanted his Draft Pick Punter who tanked and was cut after just a few games.... and Frost had an all-pro year with Green BAy.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I hate this place nothing works here, I have been here for seven years I hate this place.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, the trade I had two weeks back had us giving up Campbell and Cooley, but getting Cutler AND getting picks. Not giving up picks.

It made sense if the Skins see enough in Fred Davis to believe he's a solid replacement for Cooley (though I didn't see that last year). If so, losing Cooley wouldn't be a huge hit, getting a high pick from AZ in return would help to fill our holes.

The current talk of giving up Campbell + picks or decent players ... sounds like a reasonable idea to consider from 2 weeks ago has now run amok

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

If we do end up with a 1st round pick, check out Robert Ayers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAR9Qb3liRs
Don Banks from SI projects him for #13.

Posted by: oldtimer4 | April 2, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

JC17 sacked 24 times to a 4 man rush.

With our Oline last year, 4 man rush is an all out blitz.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 2, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

IF this is true?!?...Snyder is pushing life long skins fans like me away. I DO NOT WANT CUTLER... 1) I don't believe he is a better QB than Campbell 2) I am certain he is not a better person than JC....

Posted by: cedric_lockhart | April 2, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If we can get Cutler, we will win the off season trophy again!

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 2, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Brian (Blacksburg, VA): Jay cutler will get traded to the ____________, by _____________?

Bill Williamson: (2:12 PM ET ) Redskins .... Friday .... Just an educated guess, Brian.

Posted by: swowra | April 2, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"Its production scoring totals that count.. Not short stat padding throws...."

How is it "stat padding" to show that Jason Campbell had 8 TDs vs. 2 INTs against the blitz, while Cutler had 7 TDs vs. 1 INT?

Or in "close" 4th quarter games Campbell averaged MORE yards per attempt, virtually the EXACT same TDs per attempt (3/50 or .06 TDs per attempt for Campbell, 5/83 or .0602 TDs per attempt for Cutler), and LESS interceptions per attempt than Cutler did?

These are exactly the type of misconceptions that I'm trying to iron out. Those aren't "stat padding" situations I'm talking about. Those are critical game situations where a QB's worth is measured.

I've already stated multiple times that I'm leaning towards Cutler, but at least attempt to make an honest assessment.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

cedric;

what does a persons character really have to do with rooting for your football team.

I want good players. if they are good in the community, bonus. But it is not a prerequisite for the job

Posted by: Zeebs | April 2, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"If we can get Cutler, we will win the off season trophy again!"

And Snyder sells season tickets/team apparel in the worst economic climate since the Great Depression.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 2, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone thought about COLT BRENNAN who basically played in the west coast offense???

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 2, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I still haven't figured out how they will be able to make all of this work under the salary cap. They have to include a high paid player in the later years of their contract if they are hoping of being under the cap. It's just a stupid move. I'm embarassed to be a fan.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 2, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Point blank;

Cutler is better than campbell, now.

The real rub is how much we give up.

If they really dont think JC is a fit for our system, getting cutler is a much better option that shipping out JC and drafting from this WEAK Qb class.

And dont bring up Brennan. He got drafted in the 6th round because he wasnt that good.

So to me, it not the if or why we do it. It is the HOW....

Posted by: Zeebs | April 2, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

z, Cooley can't be traded. Neither can Landry, Portis, Moss, etc. Too large of cap hits. It's virtually impossible. The only tradeable player assets (ones that teams may take an interest in):

-Jason Campbell, Carlos Rogers, Rocky McIntosh, Fred Davis, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Kedrick Golston, Anthony Montgomery, Chris Horton, Casey Rabach, Colt Brennan

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse


+++I am curious, does anyone think that Cutler would PERFORM better than Campbell?

Posted by: CheyenneWY+++

Only for as long and the aged, battered, oft-injured, oft-overmatched, un-reinfored offensive line holds out.

Also if last year's receiver busts return to college form.

Also if most of hte team isn't bitter over the trade, the inevitable huge contract, the vets cut to pay for it, and the lies leading up to it.

Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Lets compare Campbells stats to Cutlers

Last year, in the 1st year of a new offense Campbell threw for 3245 Yds 13 TDs and 6 Ints for an 84.3 rating. he had 506 attempts for a 6.4 average and a 62.3%, all behind one of the worst Olines in football.

Cutler had 4526 yds 25 TDs 18 Ints and an 86 rating on 616 attempts for a 62.3 completion percentage and 7.3 Yds per attempt.

The two had the same completion percentage, and while cutler had many more yds and TDs, he also had many more INTs and a very similar rating to Campbells. However, Campbell was on a run first team, in the 1st year of a completely alien offense, and playing behind an O-line that collapsed. Cutler played on a team with two excellent recievers, and had spent his whole career in the same offense. They both had the same record last season, and recall how the broncos lost their last 4 games to lose the divison. add to the equation that cutler has diabetes and probably wont play more than 5 more seasons and i really dont want him on the team. Let Campbell grow, he had similar efficiency stats to Cutlers and when the offense finally opens up, when everybody has learned the offense and Zorn isn't afraid to let his WR run routes, we will then see campbell start to put up stats. He was being talked about as a pro bowl QB after 8 games last year, how can we not give him some more time

Posted by: DaFunBunch | April 2, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Trading two No. 1's for another team's disgruntled QB is insane. To give up on JC after one season under Zorn shows that the team's ownership and GM have no faith in him either. My prediction is that the Skins give up the two No. 1's and Cutler throws as many INT's as he does TD's next year. The Skins will end up 7-9 or 8-8 and Danny will decide he needs a new coach since he's provided him enough talent.

Any trade value for JC is now gone since it's obvious that Denver doesn't want him and just wants draft picks so they can pick Mark Sanchez. It's really sad that the Skins have handled things in their usual low class ways. If they didn't want to extend JC, that made sense, but to trade for a QB who hasn't even been on a winning team in his 3 season?

Posted by: wizfan89 | April 2, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM, that's exactly what I have been saying about Campbell. His stats don't mean what some people have been purporting them to mean, i.e., that his play has improved.

This Cutler situation, more than anything else, is an indictment of Campbell as a player.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

It's not about the numbers!

This trade is about upside and potential.

Bottom Line:

The skins don't think JC17 can take them to
the Super bowl

Posted by: rhowze | April 2, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

psps, I did have Horton and Kareem Moore on the possible list, not Landry or any of the others you mentioned. Though some, like Colt or Monty, would be pretty easy to add.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

This Cutler situation, more than anything else, is an indictment of Campbell as a player.

Posted by: learnedhand1

It could also be an indication of a poor FO structure.

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

But if the skins are smart enough to wait for a 2nd rounder for JC, then two things happen.


We get the 2nd and then get Cutler

Or nothing happens since we wont trade for Cutler without off loading JC.

But Denvers two first round picks would be steep, and as another site noted, this may be their way to keep him.

Either way, if JC isnt it, get a second. Then try to trade our first, and only our first for him.... because otherwise we will be drafting Sanchez with the 13.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 2, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Please, Coach Joe, call Snyder and straighten him out!!!!

Snyder said Gibbs had taught him "patience."

Yeah, patience my you know what!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has never made personnel decisions.. Remember Derrick Frost's parting statements.. Performance had nothing to do with his departure..

Bore out to be true.. Vinny wanted his Draft Pick Punter who tanked and was cut after just a few games.... and Frost had an all-pro year with Green BAy.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 2:49 PM |

Frost was cut by Green Bay. And Green Bay signed Brooks. Brooks is still on the Green Bay roster.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

It could also be an indication of a poor FO structure.

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 3:03 PM

That's a given. But as bad as they are, I don't believe they would be chasing Cutler if they thought Campbell could get it done at a high level.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"This Cutler situation, more than anything else, is an indictment of Campbell as a player.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

This is where we disagree. IMO, this is absolutely, 100% about what Jay Cutler brings to the table. Campbell just happens to stand in the way.

Just as Haynesworth wasn't an indictment on what the FO thought of Golston, Montgomery, or Griffin, or the Hall signing last season not being an indictment on Rogers, Cutler isn't an indictment on Campbell. Just a case of a rare talent hitting the market, and the other guy getting the business end of the deal.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

beantown

'...I do not like this one bit.....they've backed themselves into a corner....stupid, just plain old jumping the gun stupid....'

This is why I was posting about drafting Sanchez this morning.

The FO played its hand in a way that down-graded the guy they had, not knowing if they'll get the guy they want.

And in the breach, Mark Sanchez is a cheaper alternative to Cutler as if he sits one year behind Collins--or Campbell--we get who Zorn wants and a trading chip in Campbell.

When I posted weeks ago that I thought a offensive skills player or corner would be the 13th pick, folks howled like starving cats.

Now, it looks like the better way out of this mess.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

This is where we disagree. IMO, this is absolutely, 100% about what Jay Cutler brings to the table. Campbell just happens to stand in the way.


Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 3:09 PM

Agreed--Cutler is "bigger" amd "shinier"

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

That's a given. But as bad as they are, I don't believe they would be chasing Cutler if they thought Campbell could get it done at a high level.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Danny's chasing. JZ has said that Campbell is his QB.

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

all this is b.s. now we must get Cutler to make the playoffs......but if I was Campbell and the Cutler trade doesn't go through i would play my butt off and lead this team deep into the playoffs in 09' and when the Redskins offer a contract extension.....tell em "bite me" . Cutler=6-10 maybe 7-9 at best I guarantee u if Campbell goes to Denver he will put up better numbers than Cutler here in Washington....any bet takers....?

Posted by: abysmalsportswear | April 2, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Cutler vs Campbell

Who had the better OL?
Cutler

Who had the better receivers?
Cutler

Who had the tougher defensive schedule?
Campbell (by a huge amount)

Who has played in the same offense longer?
Cutler

Who has the better offensive coach?
Cutler

Is there a significant difference in their QB rating?
No

Seriously, I get the love for Shanahan (who has proven himself), not the love for Cutler. Saw the game, Oakland vs Denver in Denver. Cutler was awful -- against the Raiders. Not the iggles or jints. Against the Raiders!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I am just as annoyed as many others who are posting comments against the potential trade for Cutler, but I have to keep reminding myself of two things: 1) adding the skins to any rumor, based on truth or some blog somewhere, automatically increases the asking price, which Denver obviously would like. 2)The salary cap, while navigated beautifully by the skins, whill not allow this trade to go through.

Posted by: BigE44 | April 2, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

kurtshanahan

"...Has anyone thought about COLT BRENNAN who basically played in the west coast offense???"


Y

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

kurtshanahan

"...Has anyone thought about COLT BRENNAN who basically played in the west coast offense???"


Y

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "Cutler, interviewed by Fox Sports at a UFC event in Nashville ..."

With this (Cutler at a UFC event) plus the promo that JLC did for MTV's "Bully Beatdown" with Michael Westbrook, MMA (Mixed Marital Arts) is getting a lot of good pub in the DC area.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 2, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcnative17 | April 2, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

CUTLER UPDATE (1)
from the Priest

Cutler trade could come by Friday

April 2, 2009 2:14 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that a Jay Cutler trade could happen as soon as Friday. Blame the expedited process on the presence of the Washington Redskins in the mix. The Redskins are one of the most aggressive teams in the league and if they want Cutler, they will push the matter.

There are several other teams in the hunt and the Broncos are going to consider several offers. Mortensen reports Denver is looking for two first-round picks for the 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback. Interestingly, Mortensen reports Denver isn't necessarily looking for a quarterback in return.

Maybe Denver isn't thrilled with the quarterbacks available in a deal, starting with Washington's Jason Campbell. But someone will have to emerge as Denver's quarterback in a post-Cutler lineup.

Could the Broncos really be thinking about using backup quarterback Chris Simms? I know new Denver coach Josh McDaniels believes in his system, but if he is going to trade a talent like Cutler, he better have a solid Plan B. Perhaps Denver will use a draft pick on a quarterback if a signal-caller isn't brought in through a Cutler trade.

Meanwhile, the Denver Post is reporting that McDaniels is holding a team meeting Thursday, his second since March 16. Sources in Denver have said the Cutler situation is a major topic, as expected, in the Broncos' locker room. McDaniels clearly feels like he has to take control of this issue with his players before it gets any further out of control.

It is another reminder of how crazy this situation has been. McDaniels has been on the job for less than three months and he is already in damage control.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

2)The salary cap, while navigated beautifully by the skins, whill not allow this trade to go through.

Posted by: BigE44

That's what none of these clowns have talked about. How they going to get Cutler, trade JC, and stay under the cap.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

skins281, pretty sure its gonna be a no go on the happy hour

Posted by: Zeebs | April 2, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Agreed--Cutler is "bigger" amd "shinier"

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 3:10 PM

And "newer" and "sexier" and "Plashier" and "O.P.P."

Posted by: 4-12 | April 2, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

ON THE PLUS SIDE....

They bring in Haynesworth, give him jersey #92 and the old #92, Demetric Evans is gone.

They signed Dockery and Pete Kendal #66 is gone so Dock gets is old number back.

If you’re looking for a silver lining on the Cutler fiasco, at least it should mean the end of Suisham.

Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

+++I am curious, does anyone think that Cutler would PERFORM better than Campbell?

Posted by: CheyenneWY+++

Only for as long and the aged, battered, oft-injured, oft-overmatched, un-reinfored offensive line holds out.

Also if last year's receiver busts return to college form.

Also if most of hte team isn't bitter over the trade, the inevitable huge contract, the vets cut to pay for it, and the lies leading up to it.

Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Amen!!

Posted by: russberlin65 | April 2, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

COLT BRENNAN!!!!!!!!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 2, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

MIGHT AS WELL POST IT (not just the link) GIVE THE GUY HIS PROPS as he was right all along ...


Source: Cutler trade imminent

By John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer 4/3/09

According to an Examiner source, the Redskins are nearing completion of a trade that would bring Broncos QB Jay Cutler to Washington. Paul Spinelli/Getty Images The Redskins are close to completing a deal for Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, according to an NFL source.

The source, who told The Examiner of the Redskins’ interest in Cutler two weeks ago, was uncertain what Washington had to surrender in the deal and said it’s “going down as we speak.” The Redskins have shopped current starter quarterback Jason Campbell.

The source had said in a separate conversation about five minutes earlier that Washington appeared to be bumped from the favorite position in favor of another team, possibly Cleveland. However, after hanging up he quickly called back to say, “It changed.”

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

kurtshanahan

"...Has anyone thought about COLT BRENNAN who basically played in the west coast offense???"

You have think drafting Colt hinted at whatever deficiencies the team saw in Campbell rather than it being a, "Let's groom a back up situation."

Th thing is now, both either Colt of Campbell will be ex-redskins soon as the best way out of the fall out from this mess is for the team to avoid giving the Broncos what they want and drafting Sanchez @ 13.

Or, shout, "My bad!!!!" in Jason Campbell's general direction and move on to the draft to solve its more pressing issues on the offensive line and strong side linebacker.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

TheCork what is your position on this Cutler thing?

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Moe, drafting Sanchez at 13 is akin to putting a band-aid over a shotgun wound and thinking everything is ok.

There is no option.

There are no other choices.

The team can either draft OL, or they've doomed themselves to repeat last year.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

This is where we disagree. IMO, this is absolutely, 100% about what Jay Cutler brings to the table. Campbell just happens to stand in the way.

Just as Haynesworth wasn't an indictment on what the FO thought of Golston, Montgomery, or Griffin, or the Hall signing last season not being an indictment on Rogers, Cutler isn't an indictment on Campbell. Just a case of a rare talent hitting the market, and the other guy getting the business end of the deal.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 3:09 PM

This is a circular argument. If the team thought Campbell could get it done, i.e., take the team to the next level it would not be mortgaging its future and lockerroom for Cutler unless Cutler is one helluva cut above JC17. You just posted numbers showing that they were statiscally similar. So are they close or is the gulf between their talent such that the team would risk alienating its starting QB? And the Haynesworth signing was an indictment of the team's D-tackles. It said you guys are decent but not elite. He will make our D-ends better by bringing pressure up the middle - something you guys could not do. The team is essentially saying the same thing about Campbell and the QB position - we don't think you're good enough to lead this team.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

peri-

why is that article dated tomorrow?

Posted by: swowra | April 2, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Rumor has it that Cutler's cap figure is only around $1 million this year (he has significant roster bonuses in 2010 and 2011).

If that's actually the case, swapping Campbell for Cutler would actually save money on the salary cap.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Just as Haynesworth wasn't an indictment on what the FO thought of Golston, Montgomery, or Griffin, or the Hall signing last season not being an indictment on Rogers, Cutler isn't an indictment on Campbell. Just a case of a rare talent hitting the market, and the other guy getting the business end of the deal.
Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 3:09 PM

That's absurd! Haynseworth was the MVP of FAs this offseason. That's not an indictment of the FO on Monty or Golston. That is Danny doing his thing: spending $$ on big names. Danny never adheres to players that are drafted by the team.

This team has torn me asunder with all of this BS.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The deal isn't going to happen. Everyone can calm down and get ready for the draft. Something may play out there, but Culter will not be a Skin.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 2, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

With Cutler's quick release, more of a gunslinger attitude, the O-line will look markedly better. Plus, the threat of a QB willing to take chances, will help the running game too. Wait and see.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 2, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I can go either way on this... I would hate to get rid of JC, just becasue the dude has never complained about his situation and he DOES have the SAME skill set as Jay Cutler... But also.... The way the skins put together teams plays against the personality type of a JC... Alot of years the skins players barely even know each other.. There are alot of EGOs out there... And with that. The skins may need a QB to be a GENERAL out there.. That kind of egotistic BRASH type QB. WHich JC is not.. And Jay Cutler is...

Posted by: cocodc1 | April 2, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Source: Cutler trade imminent

"The Redskins are close to completing a deal for Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, according an NFL source said.

and furthermore

it's "going down as we speak."

Welcome Jay Cutler

It looks like part of this deal is Campbell to the Browns...

details upcoming!


Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"That's what none of these clowns have talked about. How they going to get Cutler, trade JC, and stay under the cap.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009"

Cutler is halfway through the six-year, $48 million deal he signed as a rookie, and his salary cap number for the 2009 season is a little over $1 million. That's a bargain for whichever team ends up with the rocket-armed quarterback who made the Pro Bowl after just his second full season as a starter.

Of course, Cutler could look for a new contract at his new home.

I think he would fit this year .. actually be less than Campbell ... they would save money but they may have to restructure it so that he gets more next year ...

Keep in mind that they only have Casey Rabach and James Trash that can be released without pro-rated bonuses attached to the 2009 cap.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Lots of comparisons btwn Cutler and Campbell. Th one thing to keep in mind. Campbell has been told -- don't turn the ball over. Don't throw the pick, no matter what.

Cutler has been told, try to make the play, even if there isn't much of a window. Take the risk.

So what do Cutler's stats suggest? A guy who takes risks

What do Campbell's stats suggest? A guy who doesn't take risks

Both are doing what their COACHES have told them to do.

Cutler's riskier play shows up with 2x the TDs, 40% more yards, and 3x the INTs (with 20% more attempts).

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

well Kleim is usually over 50% accurate on his calls so this is happening. we will see who we have left. It will suck.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

If JC can be made to believe the Cutler thing is all Snyder/Vinny but that Zorn prefers JC, then JC has cover to play hard and remain a leader on the team. But anyway, JC is not a brat like Cutler, so you can't assume he's going to make this into a drama. Why didn't we just go after Cassel for a 2nd if this is all true? Give JC one more year.

Posted by: Mdotty | April 2, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

peri

Any clues about what we are going to lose to get one guy who's not that much of an upgrade over the guy we already have?

Someone posted that Denver used the pick we traded to them to get Cutler.

Are we giving up the dreaded '..two firsts..' to get this, ahem, whiny, clueless grown man?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable!!

Vinny has made it a point to tell Larry Michael (on Redskins Nation) and I believe he even mentioned this in his interview with Doc - that when they consider bringing in players such as Hall, Dockery, and Haynesworth, he has asked some of our team leaders/players for their opinions before moving forward.

I cannot believe he has asked any of our players about this debacle!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand1,

The Redskins seemed perfectly satisfied going into the rest of the offseason with Campbell as their starting QB...until Cutler's name sprouted. They didn't talk to Leftwich, they didn't explore trades for other QBs, nothing. It was either Cutler would replace Campbell or it wasn't going to be anybody.

Yes, they believe Cutler's a cut above Campbell. That doesn't mean they didn't think Campbell could be a high quality QB. They simply believe Cutler could be a perennially elite QB. A cut above, but not to the point of believing that Campbell wasn't good enough.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"Welcome Jay Cutler


Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009"

Priest channeling ...

Bench Jay Cutler, we all know he will throw too many interceptions.

Colt is on his waaaaayyyy!

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

If you’re looking for a silver lining on the Cutler fiasco, at least it should mean the end of Suisham.

Posted by: TheCork

very funny

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"The source had said in a separate conversation about five minutes earlier that Washington appeared to be bumped from the favorite position in favor of another team, possibly Cleveland. However, after hanging up he quickly called back to say, “It changed.”"


That means we upped the ante... ouch. I'd bet that's Laron (or another important piece of our D) packing as we speak. As for the salary cap... it's easy to get around if we give Cutler a new mega-deal (w/a super-low first year cap hit), plus we'd save space in the rookie pool by not having that pesky first round pick.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 2, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Its a done deal people...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I say Cutler goes to the Browns for Quin and their first round pick.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

sigh........

anyone have specifics on this??

What we're sending to Denver for Cutler, and What Cleveland is sending us for Campbell......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Vinny has made it a point to tell Larry Michael (on Redskins Nation) and I believe he even mentioned this in his interview with Doc - that when they consider bringing in players such as Hall, Dockery, and Haynesworth, he has asked some of our team leaders/players for their opinions before moving forward.I cannot believe he has asked any of our players about this debacle!
Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 3:27 PM

Agreed, Lisa!

Does everybody honestly think that Redskins players will bow down to Cutler when/if he walks into the locker room?

Karma

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Could they at least hold this off til Monday? It's going to suck waking up on a Friday morning just to hear the Skins forked over 2 1st rounders for a crybaby who is going to get hit more than he ever has in his football career.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

beantown

I'm on the same page as you.

I'm just saying if they don't have faith in Campbell, start on an endgame in a less exspensive manner.

I hate the thought of what picks/players the team is about to give up for a guy in Cutler who seems like he needs to go change his pad.

If this was Boldin, I'd say, "Sign me up!!"

Not Cutler. No way.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Yoder why do you hate Cutler so much??

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Could they at least hold this off til Monday? It's going to suck waking up on a Friday morning just to hear the Skins forked over 2 1st rounders for a crybaby who is going to get hit more than he ever has in his football career.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who ***

I will be the first to admit Cutler was no better than Campbell, if that pans out to be the case. Will you admit Cutler is better if that turns out to be the case?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 2, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me the asinine prediction of us trading Laron Landry? Or Carlos Rogers....makes absolutely no darn sense.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

details....whose got em.......

If its landry....oh wow, is this stupid....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are an embarrasment. Way to take the focus off the embarrassing situation in Denver. Way to go Danny, back to your fantasy football ways...its working so well...

Posted by: abanon | April 2, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

BenchCampbell,

Why do you want to bench Campbell so much?

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

'...What Cleveland is sending us for Campbell......'


The Browns are sending us disgruntled, wide receiver Donte Stallworth.

He says he's looking to re-uniting with former Vol team member Albert Haynesworth either in the locker room or on the chain gang.

Their ultimate hope is starting a driving school for NFL players who want to get out of towns where they're not wanted.

Jason Campbell will be their first student.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Danny's economic stimilus plan:
Sign big name FA+create trade rumors+generate massive interest from Redskins nation in the off-season=$$$$$

I could use a new jersey and some t-shirts...

Posted by: BigE44 | April 2, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Campbell vs Cutler. As I see, Campbell is the better player. Same QB rating, but Campbell faced much much much tougher defenses and he had a weaker group (OL and WRs) around him than Cutler did.

Tell me why its so obvious that Cutler is better?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Man, I wish that someone would keep track of all the ridiculous nonsense some folks are spouting on this board about this being a great move, when lets face it a first round pick and Campbell for Cutler is a rip off.

Makes me wonder, what were some of you all saying about the great pick ups of Archuletta and Lloyd?

Posted by: rawk | April 2, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

sorry spelling police--stimulus--my bad

Posted by: BigE44 | April 2, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I THINK I AM GOING TO BE A CHARGERS FAN NOW......

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 2, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

its saaaaddd....being a redskins fan that is...can we give the guy 2years being in the same offensive system before we deem him as not intelligent enough to b a starting QB? How would u like to be an electrician one year, a biologist the next, a doctor the third, and a lawyer the forth and be criticized for not being licensed or a master in each field...sarcastic i know but u get the point.....Give the man 1 more year....and all those Campbell haters put your money where your mouth is.....Campbell will succeed if not make the Pro Bowl in Denver.

Posted by: abysmalsportswear | April 2, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Question: Laast 2 min of game, ball on your 20 yd line, down 6 points.

Who would you rather have, Cutler or Campbell?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 2, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I think Jason Campbell is the consumate professional. And if this trade doesn't go through, which I don't think it will. He will return and have a great season.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 2, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Cutler no brainer.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Question: Laast 2 min of game, ball on your 20 yd line, down 6 points.

Who would you rather have, Cutler or Campbell?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 2, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse


THEISMAN!

SInce this team is trying to regain past glory....

Posted by: Leeguru | April 2, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Question: Laast 2 min of game, ball on your 20 yd line, down 6 points.

Who would you rather have, Cutler or Campbell?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1

Part B of that question: Would you rather be doing this against an NFC East team or an AFC West team?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Question: Laast 2 min of game, ball on your 20 yd line, down 6 points.

Who would you rather have, Cutler or Campbell?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1

Cutler would most likely throw an INT. J Camp would hold onto the ball because noe one was open. It's a push.

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

the question was against any team, especially nfl east teams with playoffs on the line.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 2, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"Tell me why its so obvious that Cutler is better?"

Because you're missing the obvious distinction -- Cutler led the 2nd ranked offense in the league, Campbell led the 19th ranked offense in the league. Cutler also did most of it through his arm, while Campbell's offense was largely led on the ground. Cutler had much more pressure on him to perform as he was the only method of victory for the Broncos (metaphorically speaking).

Here's another question to ask: if you put Cutler on this team last season with a pro-bowl RB/FB/TE combo, a dominant running game, and gameplan that only asked Cutler to pass selectively, would he have fared better than Campbell did?

Honest assessment, I say yes. I don't think he would have put up his Denver numbers, but I think it would have been better than Campbell's numbers.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Part B of that question: Would you rather be doing this against an NFC East team or an AFC West team?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Part C: Who you want blocking.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Local Radio here in Cheyenne is now saying that all the trade talk is crap and that neither the Broncos nor Cutler really wants to go anywhere. They say Chicago called asking about trade bait and the Broncos pretty much told them "nevermind"...that and the "who me?" that Cutler threw out there.

Me thinks that no one goes no where!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

We get it people, JC has never had more than 2 years in the system. It's always not his fault. It's the WR's, the OL, the head coach, the owner, the waterboy, the towel boy, the homecrowd fans, the snow, etc.

Poor guy.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I love hypothetical questions that don't take into account actual context.

You know, like the cost of adding Cutler at the expense of draft picks and another player who makes $15M a year.

Posted by: smutsboy | April 2, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

From the Redskins blogger on Redskins.com (this was earlier today).

Just a very quick word on the whole Jay Cutler thing: I'm at Redskins Park today, I'm asking most of the same questions everyone else is, and I'm getting the same "no comment" style answers. I was told unequivocally that the team was not making calls to move Jason Campbell yesterday, but that's about it. As soon as I have something concrete, I'll let you know.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"Question: Laast 2 min of game, ball on your 20 yd line, down 6 points.

Who would you rather have, Cutler or Campbell?"

Cutler in his first year of Zorn's offense, or his 4th year of Shanahan's?

Posted by: mrsaun | April 2, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Then again the radio station here in Cheyenne is also an auto parts store and an airport.

GO SKINS

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 2, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Per John Keim, Cutler to the Skins trade is "imminent"

http://tinyurl.com/d4vn6k

Posted by: rtandler | April 2, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Leave it for the one team I love to interrupt the good feeling for the team I love.

If the Cutler trade goes down, the redskins' gain will trump the slurpa-looza that'll come with sports news about the new Yankee stadium games against the cubbies.

The trade news will linger in the air while that foolish endeavour called the Final Four is completed and college basketball goes back to being as interesting as horse racing and badmiton.

Wait a minute, I like horse racing.

And the granddaddy of them all--the NFL Draft--will come and the bronocos will take what picks they beat out of the redskins for Cutler and rebuild their team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Bet you Jason Campbell gets his contract extension if the trade doesn't work out.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 2, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato, through spokesman Zack Bolno is reportedly saying no comment on a trade in the works for Jay Cutler....

Sounds like they arent denying it anymore...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

In my many decades of being a redskin fanatic, I have never been this consistantly disappointed in the front office before.
What amazes me is that Danny Boy has any money if he conducts his other businesses in the same way he tries to manage the redskin's.
The entire front office and the owner need to go.

Posted by: alyd69 | April 2, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse
Alyd69, you've got to remember that snyder is a marketing guy, a promoter, not a businessman, and certainly not a football man. He knows how to throw around big money, and make a big splash. Is this good for business... well, sometimes. Is it good football, rarely.

I am really depressed by these developments. I was so looking forward to the draft, and to the start of a new season. Then this clown gets on ths jag.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

rt, I can't open that, what are we giving up??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing is


even when we get Jay Cutler, the JC Vs. Colt Brennan arguments will continue

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Interesting take on why Detroit was out of the running before it began:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4036126

Posted by: mrsaun | April 2, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Why didnt we get TO????

Posted by: Eze167 | April 2, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Thats the same crap Peri posted earlier, it has no new information.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"I love hypothetical questions that don't take into account actual context.

You know, like the cost of adding Cutler at the expense of draft picks and another player who makes $15M a year.

Posted by: smutsboy |"


great, great point but too bad Cutler will cost less than Jason Campbell

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Because you're missing the obvious distinction -- Cutler led the 2nd ranked offense in the league, Campbell led the 19th ranked offense in the league. Cutler also did most of it through his arm, while Campbell's offense was largely led on the ground. Cutler had much more pressure on him to perform as he was the only method of victory for the Broncos (metaphorically speaking).

Posted by: psps23

Denver had a very good running game, better yards per carry than we had. Denver also had a better OL than we did and better WRs. And played much much weaker defenses.

As for 2nd ranked offense, its a bit like our 4th ranked defense. Denver's offense, specifically Cutler, turned it over a lot. They don't count turnovers when they rank offenses -- even though turnovers are the most reliable indicator of who wins. Just like our defense, which was ranked 4th, but rarely got turnovers.

PSPS, you're making reasonable points and entitled to your opinion. I'm just saying that its not a slam dunk that Cutler is better. Objectively speaking, the case for Campbell being the better QB is pretty strong.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

the question just asks very simply, with everything on skins just the same, who would put u on the edge of your seat with the game on the line? no diff coaches players other than qb. who would you trust to score a td more, campbell or cutler. forget all the other garbage everyone keeps throwing in.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 2, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

if this FO gives up any draft picks, I cannot say this enough, but they're just too stupid for words....just incredibly short sighted....moronic, and foolish....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse


great, great point but too bad Cutler will cost less than Jason Campbell

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

For precisely one more season, if Cutler even agrees to be traded w/o getting a new deal.

Posted by: smutsboy | April 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Two first rounders is too much for Cutler especially for the skins (who already have limited draft picks). We should be trading to get more draft picks not less.

My friend who hates the redskins is hoping this goes through because he thinks it will wreck the team for years.

Posted by: wwc4g | April 2, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't want Cutler for the same reasons that I did not want T.O.

I support JC17

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I haven't posted here in at least a year.

But this... this is stupid.

Posted by: LaVarWaltClark | April 2, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The cap question is still a valid one... Cutler's base salary is just of $1M for 2009, but it is ahighly incentive-based contract. Incentives are either likely-to-be-earned (70% of snaps) , or unlikely-to-be-earned (winning the SB). LTBE incentives are added to the cap, UTBE are added to the cap (technically, deducted from the cap) in the year following the earning of the incentive.
I don't know Cutler's contract details to know what the breakdown is, and I don't know how LTBE/UTBE incentives are treated going into an uncapped year, but there's still some work that has to be done to address how he would fit under the cap.

Posted by: daggar | April 2, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

in what could be good news for us, stud DT BJ Raji tested positive for some kinda drugs.

Maybe somehow we'll get a second rounder and he'll fall to us? Or maybe he'll drop into the third round? Depends on if the media wants to chastise this kid or not really.


if we keep our first this year and get Andre Smith on top of Jay Cutler

we'll win at least one playoff game, BOOK IT

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

sources who are confirming the Redskins' interest in Cutler are sources close to owner Daniel Snyder, not to Cerrato or Zorn. Therefore, one can conclude that at the owner's meeting last week, Snyder had constant dialogue going with Broncos owner Pat Bowlen regarding Cutler's situation and asking price.

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Campbell played 8 of 16 games last year against defenses ranked in the top 25% of the league -- including 6 against the top 5 defenses. Cutler played ZERO games against defenses ranked in the top 25%.

Cutler had a better OL, better WRs and was in his 3rd year with the same coach/system.

Campbell and Cutler had the same QB rating.

Why do people think Cutler is better?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather try to win with Colt Brennan than know we are going to win around 6 - 8 games with Campbell.

C'mon people, the Skins absolutely cannot score touchdowns. Couldnt under Gibbs 2.0. Couldn't under Zorn 1.0.

Yes Cutler might throw some interceptions but at least he's moving the ball down the field and gunning for the end zone! If Cutler interceptions mean less punting by our special teams I'm all for it.

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

So, I just came out of a 7 hour meeting.

What did I miss? Any blood spilt over here?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

What would it take to trade for Cutler? The Skins 1 and 3 draft picks this year + the number 1 for 2010? There is already precedence with the Eli Manning trade.

Would they accept Campbell or Collins and Griffin or Golston or Montgomery as part of the trade?

Posted by: siris | April 2, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

if we keep our first this year and get Andre Smith on top of Jay Cutler

we'll win at least one playoff game, BOOK IT

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

What? How many picks do you think this team has??

Posted by: ga8085 | April 2, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

If Cutler interceptions mean less punting by our special teams I'm all for it.

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

That made no sense..

Posted by: ga8085 | April 2, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"Denver had a very good running game, better yards per carry than we had. Denver also had a better OL than we did and better WRs. And played much much weaker defenses."

The comment about weaker defenses is inarguably true. But the running game comment: Denver went through 7 starting tailbacks last year. All of them went down with injuries. If you're game-planning, do you decide to let some no-name running back hurt you, or Jay Cutler? You obviously keep your safeties back and take your chances with letting some running back grind it out. And Cutler had 4500 and 25 tds against that. The OL could have had a lot to do with that too, don't get me wrong, but I'll bet Cutler had a hand in the running game's performance, as well as making the O-line look better. Beside, I heard (read) Bubba Franks talking about Brett Farve once: "I owe that guy a lot, man. I mean, he made my career...." Seriously, how much better would Cutler make ARE, Thomas, Cooley and Moss? I'd like to find out.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 2, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Ok Vinny/Dan I have graciously planned out your next few weeks.

Starting today: Stop talking to Denver and go home, buy something nice for your wife.

Tomorrow-April 24: Sit in office and twirl your thumbs. You are allowed to look at youtube and that's it.

April 25-26: Draft nothing but linemen. A linebacker is also acceptable but just one.

April 27: Go home and wait for August.


Minor alterations to the schedule will appear next year.

Thank you and have a pleasant day from all of us who are tired of you guys sucking at life,

us

Posted by: Buckleycj | April 2, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Open note to Dan Snyder:

Sir, you are one of the best marketing people in the NFL. The increase in value of the club during your tenure is strong evidence of this. However, you are not a football operations expert.

You say you have loved this team since you were a child - as have most fans - and I believe you.

Given the above, suggest you either (a) Hire a football operations expert, give them a time line and budget and stay out of their way; or (b) Sell the team to someone who will.

Posted by: SkinsWin | April 2, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

It's a dangerous game, made all the more risky when coupled with the fact the Skins generally throw massive wads of cash at these guys (Portis, Lloyd, Hall), thus rewarding them for their antics ... And then they wonder why chemistry suffers and me-guys remain me-guys and their highest-paid players aren't often real team leaders.

By Jason La Canfora | April 2, 2009; 11:20 AM ET


Wow. I just read the post and JLa clearly does not like CP and DHall to lump them in with BLloyd.

He must be mad his only source may be going out the door?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

awesome....Raji is falling, and we're potentially dealing out first round pick....because no one would want to move up to get him......

jm, please give me the hammer to the back of the head, just to make it hurt somewhere else......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"if we keep our first this year and get Andre Smith on top of Jay Cutler

we'll win at least one playoff game, BOOK IT

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

What? How many picks do you think this team has??

Posted by: ga8085"


my point is that we'd be keeping our first this year....did that confuse you?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Another Open note to Dan Synder.

F YOU

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 2, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Yes Cutler might throw some interceptions but at least he's moving the ball down the field and gunning for the end zone! If Cutler interceptions mean less punting by our special teams I'm all for it.

Posted by: isnadd

Cutler threw 12 more TDs than Campbell. Cutler threw 12 more INTs than Cmapbell.

That's not an improvement

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Why do people think Cutler is better?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Because Denver scored 8.5 more points per game than the Skins.

The Skins would dominate if they scored 28 points per game and their opponents were still held to less than 20.

Yes -- I'm starting believe the Cutler trade could benefit the Skins -- but will the price make it worthwhile? It's becoming more obvious that the long term plan was not to retain Campbell past next year anyway...

Posted by: siris | April 2, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I just saw Jay Cutler at Mortons

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

This organization will truly suffer if we get rid of Zorn. Zorn is a good man, good coach, and someone who can build a winner here. Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato are completely irresponsible egomaniac's and we, the fans, need to figure out a way to get Snyder's attention and let him know we aren't going to put up with this crap every year. We are a joke. A complete and utter joke.

Posted by: wcn55 | April 2, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

i just saw Jay Cutler at tysons corner

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If Cutler interceptions mean less punting by our special teams I'm all for it.
Posted by: isnadd

That made no sense..
Posted by: ga8085


OK, let me say it a different way. The Skins had a lot of 3 and outs and had trouble moving the ball forcing us to punt frequently from deep in our zone. Cutler was very good at moving the ball.

So, what's the difference with the Skins punting from our 25 yard line or Cutler thowing an interception deep in the other teams red zone?

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

People posting Campbell's stats and saying he lacks emotion and fire should remember his best attribute:

He's a not a frigging thumbsucking cry-baby.

Cutler is.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Campbell to Tampa Bay for their 1st round pick #19. Then the ‘Skins trade #13, #19 and a 1st round pick in 2010 to the Broncos for Cutler

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I just saw Jay Cutler at Redskins Park

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Two words. Colt Brennan.

Posted by: rockbroker | April 2, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I just saw Jay Cutler at Mortons

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Was he crying in a bathroom stall, refusing to come out, because Snyder wouldn't let him order off the kid's menu?

Posted by: DickCheneysDutchOvenCookies | April 2, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I just saw Jay Cutler at Six flags

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

my point is that we'd be keeping our first this year....did that confuse you?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

How the hell do you figure we keep a 1st rounder this yr and think the Broncos would be willing to accept the 1st rounder next yr, when, with the opinion that Cutler will much improve this team, chances are the Skins 1sr rounder next yr would be more than likely in the 20's ? I think you're confused

Posted by: ga8085 | April 2, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell to Tampa Bay for their 1st round pick #19. "

What are you smoking?

Posted by: swowra | April 2, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"OK, let me say it a different way. The Skins had a lot of 3 and outs and had trouble moving the ball forcing us to punt frequently from deep in our zone. Cutler was very good at moving the ball.

So, what's the difference with the Skins punting from our 25 yard line or Cutler thowing an interception deep in the other teams red zone?


Posted by: isnadd "

Agree for the most part.

There was nothing worse this last year than watching our offense. They looked like a bunch of morons out there.

And I don't care what half of these people blame, JC is the QB. And seriously, I doubt anyone had more three and outs than us last year. Awful!

Imagine if Portis didn't beast for half the season. AWFUL!!!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Are ready for that first date yet?

Shall we say 7pm at Redskin Park?

I'll bring the torches and pitch forks...

Posted by: RickyBobby | April 2, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes Cutler might throw some interceptions but at least he's moving the ball down the field and gunning for the end zone! If Cutler interceptions mean less punting by our special teams I'm all for it.

Posted by: isnadd

Cutler threw 12 more TDs than Campbell. Cutler threw 12 more INTs than Cmapbell.

That's not an improvement

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

are you kidding me? with our defense 12 more TDs and we win 11 or 12 games. unless every one of those picks were pick 6s or turned into TDs it is absolutely an improvement. INTs are a big deal but they aren't that important if following the pick our defense forces a 3 and out or gets a fumble and or a INT itself. Points matter most!!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes he was Mr. Cheney, Yes he was

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

its coming to the point where i'm starting to HATE the redskins. we NEVER have a plan. we just do things year to year with ZERO thought to whats gonna happen a couple of years down the line. totally against picking up this cry baby. Jason Campbell should play the last year of his rookie contract in DC.

Posted by: sweeet_jones | April 2, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

apparently ESPN is discussing the differences between both JC's after a commercial break


sounds like it's pretty much a done deal. I'm just hoping we don't offer more than one first rounder. I'll live with Campbell and 2010 first rounder. 2009, 2010 first rounders AND JC would be too much though.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Let me ask a question: would your opinion change if Shanahan were involved? (I'm not reporting or implying anything, just posing a hypothetical.)

Posted by: Cindy Boren | April 2, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

So, what's the difference with the Skins punting from our 25 yard line or Cutler thowing an interception deep in the other teams red zone?

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Because a TO in the redzone deflates a team and changes momentum alot more than a punt would.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 2, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"my point is that we'd be keeping our first this year....did that confuse you?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

How the hell do you figure we keep a 1st rounder this yr and think the Broncos would be willing to accept the 1st rounder next yr, when, with the opinion that Cutler will much improve this team, chances are the Skins 1sr rounder next yr would be more than likely in the 20's ? I think you're confused

Posted by: ga8085"


jeeze dude I'm not saying IT WILL happen, I'm saying IF and I'm saying that would be okay with me. Ruh-ee-duh.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"I'm just saying that its not a slam dunk that Cutler is better."

I agree. I've made cases for both sides of the argument.

Some say Cutler's offensive line is better. Others say Cutler's propensity to get rid of the ball under pressure (and subsequently throw more INTs) simply make it seem that way.

Some say Campbell's o-line is worse. Others say Campbell holds on to the ball too long, in the process making it seem that way.

Some say Cutler's wide receivers are better. Others say Cutler's gunslinging attitude boosts their stats.

Some say Campbell's WRs are worse. Others say the conservative gameplans make it seem that way.

Nobody should argue that Zorn and Shanahan are on a level playing field.

Some say Cutler doesn't win despite his offensive surroundings, others say Campbell doesn't win despite his dominant defense backing him up.

Cutler has Marshall and Royal, Campbell has Moss, Cooley, and Portis.

It truly is close. Here's my view:

The overwhelming evidence shows that Cutler already CAN run a dominant attack. He's done it. Sure, he's had great surroundings, but there are no excuses -- he's already accomplished it.

Jason Campbell has not. His prospects are based on hypotheticals. If the offensive line is straightened out, if his 2nd round WRs step up, if Zorn gets his head on straight, THEN we'll see how Campbell does. I admit, I think he has a very good shot at being very successful if those hypotheticals hold true. But the mere fact is there -- he hasn't done it yet.

Give those things to Cutler, he'll give you a great offense. Give those things to Campbell, he MIGHT give you a great offense.

And that's where the difference lies right now. So again, to me, it all depends on what's given up to get him.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

swowra exactly!!! No one in their right mind would give up a 1st round pick for Campbell... but look at how many teams are lining up to give up 2 1st rounders for Cutler...

Wake Up people Cutler is better... face it

Even our own coach knows it!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

redskins had about a 35% third down rating last year.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 2, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"Cutler threw 12 more TDs than Campbell. Cutler threw 12 more INTs than Cmapbell.

That's not an improvement"

It is if our D stops them 50% of the time after picks. And that's being conservative; it could be much higher. If you put Cutler w/a top 5, maybe top 10 D... you get the point.

And if he feels like he doesn't have to score 30 every week to win, maybe he doesn't have as many picks in the first place.

And if we find a way to upgrade RT, even just w/Heyer (a better pass protector)

Posted by: mrsaun | April 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

psps makes sense

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I work for a mortgage company in Tysons and Jay Cutler just came in and filled out a loan application. He's buying a house in Leesburg.

Posted by: FloresFan | April 2, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I dont want to get rid of Campbell but if we do lets try this scenario.

I know its stupid but this is apparently how our front office works best so here it goes

We give denver Jason Campbell and our all of our picks this year and in return we get Cutler, SLB- D.J. Williams ( he is a miami product and you know how our FO loves those miami players)and LE- Jarvis Moss.

What are your thoughts on this trade?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

jeeze dude I'm not saying IT WILL happen, I'm saying IF and I'm saying that would be okay with me. Ruh-ee-duh.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Well that won't happen. So there you go.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 2, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Let me ask a question: would your opinion change if Shanahan were involved? (I'm not reporting or implying anything, just posing a hypothetical.)

Posted by: Cindy Boren | April 2, 2009 4:26 PM

Mine wouldn't! It's not time to burn it all down again. I believe Zorn has the ability to lead us to the playoffs consistantly if given the right tools. One year after Joe left and the whinny little B!tch danny is destroying this team again

Posted by: JLaCanfora | April 2, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Three first rounders for Cutler?

Jesus that would be even stupider than I thought the worst Snyder was capable of.

Posted by: smutsboy | April 2, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

If Zorn agrees that Cutler is the answer, then I'm for it. I believe that this is a lame duck year for Zorn and we'll go back to rehashing old has beens

Posted by: JLaCanfora | April 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

As for the competition argument, are we going to say that Rivers isn't as good as advertised either because he played in the same division? Or that Romo is better than his numbers indicate because he plays in our division?

Last season, Cutler was 3-1 against the NFC South by the way. Certainly not weak competition down there (although the East is clearly better).

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

'...if this FO gives up any draft picks, I cannot say this enough, but they're just too stupid for words....just incredibly short sighted....moronic, and foolish....'


Stupid is as stupid does.

And what the team is contemplating is stupid.

It's a sideways move desired by the same "I want a cookie, too" crowd that cheered Jason Taylor's acquisition up until the saw various NFC East right tackles blow him off the line.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

We give denver Jason Campbell and our all of our picks this year and in return we get Cutler, SLB- D.J. Williams ( he is a miami product and you know how our FO loves those miami players)and LE- Jarvis Moss.

What are your thoughts on this trade?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

If an O lineman was possibly involved instead of Jarvis Moss, it could be intriguing. But I don't think Denver would go for it because the Skins don't have enough high value picks

Posted by: ga8085 | April 2, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

what's the over/under on how long we wait before the first "we can never win with cutler!" post from sports_guru?

Posted by: braker19cleartheline | April 2, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"his team was informed by the Broncos to be prepared to part with at least two first-round picks as part of a trade"


ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Two first rounders? Hell no!

I would grudgingly go along with an even swap. Would be a little happier if THEY tossed in a third rounder, but two of OUR first rounders. No way!

Denver stepped in it when they said they his future with Denver was over and they were accepting offers, Now they HAVE to trade him. They are the ones in a jam, not us. We already have a QB who has shown promise and gets better every year. Cutler appears to be only a slight statistical upgrade, and he's reckless with the football which is toxic in the NFC East.

How much better would Campbell, Portis and our Wr's be if we invested those picks in some corn fed 315 pounds beasts on the O line? 10 year starting anchors like when we drafted Jansen and Samuels.

How much better would Campbell be having the same system two years in a row with an upgraded line? I think the opening 6-2 last year is an indicator.

Impatience has been our down fall for over a decade. Constantly changing coaches, QB's and O systems. But over that decade, we have pretty much left the D alone - lot's of consistency in the system and coaches.

Our Defense pretty much always rules, and the O under achieves annually.

Figure it out!

Stop blowing it up every 2-3 years chasing "upgrades" that never pan out. Build the O line back to dominance over the next two drafts then go raise hell in the playoffs!

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Jarvis Moss can't get on the field with Denver's lousy defense. He'd do nothing for us.

Posted by: skinswest | April 2, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Because a TO in the redzone deflates a team and changes momentum alot more than a punt would.
Posted by: ga8085


Really? Let's agree to disagree. For me, watching the Skins 3-and-outs on offense was far more frustrating than giving up a turnover trying to make something happen down the field. It didn't help that our punting game was the worst in the NFL.

I'm not saying interceptions are a positive, but I like the odds when our defense comes on the field and the other team is on their 10 or 12 yard line, regardless of whether it was a punt or a turnover.

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Well that won't happen. So there you go.

Posted by: ga8085"

uhhh dude it's called hypothetical


I said earlier that I'd love to just take Cutler in a straight up swap for Jason Campbell, no draft picks involved. Please, oh please, teach me and tell me if that is possible.

moron

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Cutler, who turns 26 on April 29, is coming off a Pro Bowl season. He threw for 4,526 yards and 25 touchdowns in 2008

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

First off, the team destroyed itself and Zorn has nobody to blame but himself if he's gone. He had a 6-2 start almost guaranteed to make the playoffs, he mishandled his only truly consistent offensive threat and his offense got completely vanilla, the team collapsed and missed the playoffs. This is the NF freaking L not college where you "build a program". Yes sound decision making has been lacking from this franchise for years but the right mix in one offseason can easily turn you into a playoff/superbowl contender and if you don't think Cutler + Shanahan is an upgrade over Campbell + Zorn you're crazy!

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"The Washington Redskins are reportedly ready to announce Jay Cutler as their new starting quarterback at 11:15 on Friday at Redskins Park. The blockbuster trade was just reported to send Jason Campbell to Denver along with Washington's 13th overall pick in the 2009 draft"

I just made that completely up to prove to you don't believe any of the sh!t that is "copied and pasted" on these forums without proper sources

Posted by: JLaCanfora | April 2, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

""Well that won't happen. So there you go.

Posted by: ga8085""

and actually how do you know? If we offer a 2010 first and a 2010 second along with our third rounder this year and JC, why wouldn't they accept that? Why don't you tell us all what WILL happen?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

They are? Where?

but look at how many teams are lining up to give up 2 1st rounders for Cutler...

Posted by: smutsboy | April 2, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

TheCork what is your position on this Cutler thing?

Posted by: TWISI

Depends on what the trade is. For Suisham, straight up trade of #6s, I'm for it.

Two Number ones, I'm against it.

I worry about Cutler's baggage:

Unproven rumors that Cutler, a diabetic, has drinking issues.

Founded facts, that Cutler is a whiner at best, a team and coach killer at worst.

I don't think he has a rep as a great 4th quarter QB.

If he supposedly melted down when a Denver WR ran the wrong pattern, wit til he sees Devin Thomas.

We haven't seen him with a leaky offensive line, as he would have in Washington.

How much will his new contract affect veterans on the team? Who would have to go to fit under the cap?

But Mostly...

It means Snyder has not been cured of his quick fixitis. First he thought he could win by overpaying a handful of older vets.

Now, he thinks he can win by overpaying a couple of young superstars,(Al 'n' Jay) and a couple of youngish, iffy types (Dock, Hall). And he ignores key positions--OL, linebacker, third CB, pass rushing DE, backup RB, GM.

AND, in all likelihood it means once again he has gone one and done with a coach for a more famous replacement, as I suspect Shanahan will be part of this plan.

On the Plus side, Redskins are a cinch for Comeback Team of the Year, Offseason Development Division.




Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

uhhh dude it's called hypothetical


I said earlier that I'd love to just take Cutler in a straight up swap for Jason Campbell, no draft picks involved. Please, oh please, teach me and tell me if that is possible.

moron

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Did take long for the name calling huh? LOL

Well hypothetically speaking, maybe we could trade JC for a retired Dan Marino? It sounds stupid as hell, but it's okay cause I'm only speaking hypothetically.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 2, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

saw this at extremeskins


Jay Cutler's record when Denver's D holds a team to 21 points or less : 13-1

Jason Campbell's record when Washington's D holds a team to 21 points or less : 13-9

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

All the positive thoughts posted on this thread on the hopes that the redskins build for the future, its all valid. The only thing is the "Owner" does not see it that way. He wants to liquidate unwanted assets for high value. Until there is a more Reliable Owner (Regime) the Redskins have no Future. Except in Fantasy Land.

Posted by: madalao | April 2, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse


Let me ask a question: would your opinion change if Shanahan were involved? (I'm not reporting or implying anything, just posing a hypothetical.)

Posted by: Cindy Boren

I'l bet money he's involved. I think Snyder has his ear to the ground enough to know a straight up Cutler for two #1s would be a public relations disaster and might hurt Jersey sales.

Throw in Shanahan coming to coach him, and the focus is diverted.

Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I feel like I've been beat up and run over by a truck. This is mentally and physically exhausting.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse


No way we're getting Cutty.

No way we're getting Shanahan THIS year.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"Jay Cutler's record when Denver's D holds a team to 21 points or less : 13-1

Jason Campbell's record when Washington's D holds a team to 21 points or less : 13-9

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009"

Against who? You need to list the teams played before you make that kind of value judgment.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Let me ask a question: would your opinion change if Shanahan were involved? (I'm not reporting or implying anything, just posing a hypothetical.)

Posted by: Cindy Boren | April 2, 2009 4:26 PM


I don't think so.

We cannot keep changing coaches every 2-3 years and ever expect to win. Give Zorn a chance. Give Campbell a chance.

Let's try building our team instead of chasing it all the time.

Nobody is going to hire Shanahan between now and next January. Let's see what Zorn can build from 8-8 as a first year coach before we once again start chasing the next great thing.

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"Did take long for the name calling huh? LOL

Well hypothetically speaking, maybe we could trade JC for a retired Dan Marino? It sounds stupid as hell, but it's okay cause I'm only speaking hypothetically.

Posted by: ga8085 |"

again

how about next year's first and second, plus this year's 3rd and JC for Cutler

why is that impossible? Again, I never stated it will happen.

And that wasn't even my point. My point was that if we could somehow get Cutler and an OT (I used Andre Smith as an example), I'd be happy. Sorry if you can't digest that for some reason. I'm sure if you want to nitpick small comments throughout the blog, you'll have a nice busy month or so....


wow

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone report that Trent Dilfer, on ESPN, said that Cutler would be a great fit for the Redskins and that Zorn would be just the coach that would bring out the best in Cutler. Yep. That's what he said.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

psps23

'...The overwhelming evidence shows that Cutler already CAN run a dominant attack...'

This dominant attack you speak of...if it was so dominant, why were we watching the stillers beat the ravens in the afc championship game and not the broncos?

In fact, the titans, ravens, chargers, colts, stillers, and pats are the dominant teams in the AFC. Last year's broncos gang doesn't even sniff that list.

Dominant is a young Mike Tyson clocking guys in two minutes, and from what I remember, the broncos didn't exactly knock out the AFC's upper teams--in fact, their coach got fired.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"Let me ask a question: would your opinion change if Shanahan were involved? (I'm not reporting or implying anything, just posing a hypothetical.)

Posted by: Cindy Boren"

The Priest be channeling ... :

She know somethin ...

well Shanahan ain't a Joe Jackson Gibbs,
someone who can contain fantasy football
follies Dan

so no.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"Against who? You need to list the teams played before you make that kind of value judgment.


Posted by: periculum"


there's no judgement on my part, I posted what I saw someone else post as a fact. I didn't even check it so hell it could be wrong.

and I don't really care who, 21 points is 21 points and a win is a win and a loss is a loss.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Just think....if Pete Kendall had only fell on that football - instead of turning it over - we probably would have beat the Rams....and went to the playoffs. This crap issue would not even have come up.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"Dominant is a young Mike Tyson clocking guys in two minutes, and from what I remember, the broncos didn't exactly knock out the AFC's upper teams--in fact, their coach got fired.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009"

Last I looked Flacco's stats looked a lot like JC17's. I think they got a lot further than Denver, a team in the same division as the hapless Oakland Raiders and KC Chiefs.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"I don't want Cutler for the same reasons that I did not want T.O.

I support JC17"


agreed matthew

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Campbell played 8 of 16 games last year against defenses ranked in the top 25% of the league -- including 6 against the top 5 defenses. Cutler played ZERO games against defenses ranked in the top 25%.

Cutler had a better OL, better WRs and was in his 3rd year with the same coach/system.

Campbell and Cutler had the same QB rating.

Why do people think Cutler is better?

Posted by: zcezcest1

Add to this the fact that Cutler is a whinny, locker room fraggin' BEEOTCH and I agree with your assessment.

Posted by: tripz | April 2, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

We get screwed anytime we make a deal with Denver. I am tired of the skins being "took" every time we deal with them. F'n Vinny.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 2, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I support JC17 until a better option comes along.

Oh hello there Mr. Cutler.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

saw this at extremeskins


Jay Cutler's record when Denver's D holds a team to 21 points or less : 13-1

Jason Campbell's record when Washington's D holds a team to 21 points or less : 13-9

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:41 PM |

Yeah, this got kicked around pretty good yesterday.

Here's a fun stat:

Bronco's 13-1 when D hold to 21 points.
Bronco's 0-4 last year when Cutler throws 2 or more INT's.

0-4! Winless. Twenty five percent of the regular season games. If he made better decisions with the ball, they would have won the division and gone to the playoffs.

What would the Redskins record have been if Jason threw 18 picks instead of 6?

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Haha. I blame Pete Kendall for this Cutler fiasco too.

Posted by: swowra | April 2, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

anybody know about us getting back a 2nd rounder if JayTay goes back to Miami???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

'...Cutler, who turns 26 on April 29, is coming off a Pro Bowl season. He threw for 4,526 yards and 25 touchdowns in 2008...'


And when the multiple passes bounce off Randle El's chest, Thomas's helmet, Kelly's hands, Moss's palms, Cooley's blog, Portis's ego, Thrash's commitment, and Fred Davis's alarm clock, who's going to tell him he can't bring Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, and Ryan Clady with him?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

It's believed to be frenzied in Denver right now where the Broncos are getting unbelievable interest in the Cutler.

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, this got kicked around pretty good yesterday.

Here's a fun stat:

Bronco's 13-1 when D hold to 21 points.
Bronco's 0-4 last year when Cutler throws 2 or more INT's.

0-4! Winless. Twenty five percent of the regular season games. If he made better decisions with the ball, they would have won the division and gone to the playoffs.

What would the Redskins record have been if Jason threw 18 picks instead of 6?

Posted by: edvar"

don't care really

I'm not anti-Campbell or pro-Cutler. I'm fine if we go either way on this.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Well - What is JC17's record when he throws 2 or more INTs?

Fair and Balanced.


Fair. And. Balance.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"Oh hello there Mr. Cutler."

Goodbye two 1st round draft picks?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think that this move could cause a racialized PR nightmare?

Posted by: ColumbiaUSkins | April 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"And when the multiple passes bounce off Randle El's chest, Thomas's helmet, Kelly's hands, Moss's palms, Cooley's blog, Portis's ego, Thrash's commitment, and Fred Davis's alarm clock, who's going to tell him he can't bring Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, and Ryan Clady with him?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009"

Priest sez: Why do you think he was suddenly so
contrite ... he knows where is going ...

to SnidelyLand, the Hades and underworld of the NFL ...

where all the ghosts and useless players go.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Just think....if Pete Kendall had only fell on that football - instead of turning it over - we probably would have beat the Rams....and went to the playoffs. This crap issue would not even have come up.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 4:46 PM

And if Dan Snyder had bought the Colts instead of the Redskins, the last ten years would have been different!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

We get screwed every time we deal with anyone, let alone Denver

Posted by: smutsboy | April 2, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

""Oh hello there Mr. Cutler."

Goodbye two 1st round draft picks?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who "

Maybe, maybe not.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I blame Zorn for not reinserting Heyer in the line up once he was healthy again.

False Truth:

Redskins had a better running game when Jansen was in.

(Go to the tape. CP26 still got 80%plus of his yardage between the tackles and only outside behind Sameuls)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Campbell to Tampa Bay for their 1st round pick #19. Then the ‘Skins trade #13, #19 and a 1st round pick in 2010 to the Broncos for Cutler

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse
If that's the deal, it's STUPID! We give up Campbell, our #1 this year and #1 next year, for Cutler. That is the dumbest deal I have ever heard. Absolutely the DUMBEST!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Because Denver scored 8.5 more points per game than the Skins.

The Skins would dominate if they scored 28 points per game and their opponents were still held to less than 20.

Posted by: siris

Lets see. Did Denver play the Ravens? Nope? Steelers? Nope. iggles (twice)? Nope. jints (twice)? nope.

Of course Denver averaged more points. The Skins played 6 games -- nearly 40% of the schedule -- against the top 5 defenses in the league!!!

The best defense Denver played was rated 9th. The Skins played half their games against teams with defenses rated 8th or better. That's a massive difference.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think that this move could cause a racialized PR nightmare?

Posted by: ColumbiaUSkins | April 2, 2009 4:55 PM

I honestly don't. It's about football. Not color....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

If that's the deal, it's STUPID! We give up Campbell, our #1 this year and #1 next year, for Cutler. That is the dumbest deal I have ever heard. Absolutely the DUMBEST!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 4:58 PM

You'll wish it had gone down this way once you hear what Snyder actually gives up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe, maybe not."

That's what they're asking for, if you think the Skins will get the better end of the deal you're dreaming. Denver has to move him, but the Skins aren't the only ones interested...Denver will get what they want.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

yesssssssssss yess yesssss Matt Mosely knows what the Prieeeeeeeest knowsssssssssss there be wonky ghosts now at Redskinssss Park ... Capy Jack he say so ...

Redskins looking for greener grass

April 2, 2009 1:51 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

If Dan Snyder's unable to pull off a trade for Jay Cutler, then the Redskins will be where the Broncos were at the outset of free agency. Washington would enter the season with a franchise quarterback who has absolutely zero job security and an utter lack of trust in his employer.

Jason Campbell was already heading into the final year of his contract, but at least there was hope of playing himself into a lucrative extension. Now, the Redskins are reportedly trying to shop him for a second-round pick -- and not having much success. When the Washington Post report hit the Internet last night, Snyder lost the element of surprise. Now, his quarterback is being bombarded with questions about his future.

Campbell's already handling his situation much better than Cutler handled his, but it still won't make for a pleasant '09 season if he remains in Washington. That's why Snyder truly needs to close the deal for Cutler. It's fair to call the Redskins the frontrunner in this competition because they have so much experience coveting other teams' players. They are in organization constantly in search of a trophy wife -- and it's obvious that Campbell will eventually be the Ex.

I may be in the minority, but I still think Campbell can be a Pro Bowl quarterback in this league. But the Redskins are the ultimate "grass is always greener" team -- and Cutler's standing on the other side of the fence with those 4,500 yards and 23 touchdowns from last season. The Redskins have invested a lot of time in Campbell since drafting him in the first round in 2005, but Cutler's cannon arm and mobility serve as a huge temptation. Something tells me it wouldn't take long for the Redskins to have buyer's remorse.

They're replacing a stand-up guy with someone who said this to FOX's Jay Glazer at a (where else?) UFC event last night:

"I was surprised they decided to trade me this soon," Cutler told Glazer. "I didn't want to get traded. This wasn't me. [The Broncos] had been going back and forth saying things, wanting me to be their quarterback and then they didn't. I really didn't want this. I love Denver. I really like my teammates. I didn't want it to get this far."

If there are any developments, we'll meet back here to talk about it.

I think the Redskins need a team like Cleveland to get involved to make this happen. Don't be surprised if Brady Quinn ends up in Denver. In the end, I think the Redskins will have to accept a third-round pick for Campbell. They won't like it, but they're the ones who decided to go down this road.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

how about next year's first and second, plus this year's 3rd and JC for Cutler

why is that impossible? Again, I never stated it will happen.

Posted by: TheTruth11

Umm..nobody said that was impossible. I was referring to you original fantasy. That would make more sense, even though it would be a whole lot to give up. Nit picking? I just threw a little reality your way.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 2, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

So, anybody want to speculate on what the deal to bring Shanahan here will look like? How much will Snyder have to pay to buy out Zorn (there's no reason to think Snyder will wait until next year before bringing in Shanahan)? How much control over personnel will he have to promise?

Posted by: asdf5 | April 2, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

'...anybody know about us getting back a 2nd rounder if JayTay goes back to Miami???'


No, but Pat Bowlen and Bill Parcells are sharing a cookbook called How To Grill Redskin.

1st: offer a player who is about the same as a guy they already have.

2nd: say that guy can't be had.

3rd: set out what you want to trade the desired player--fake yawn--and look out the window when the Danny's 'copter land on your doorstep with picks/players, and a redskins' belt buckle.

4th: laugh when the skins cut that player after realizing what he did in one place doesn't translate all too well in theirs--but hey: you took them to the cleaners and don't care.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

broncskins doesn't sound quite as good as jetskins, does it?

Posted by: braker19cleartheline | April 2, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Seriously? nothing since 11:20 am? This is so nerve racking!!!! I need updates, news, something!!! (Page refresh-page refresh-page refresh). I cant wait till this whole thing is over so I can relax. somewhat.

Posted by: erleach | April 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

God F'N help us if that is the deal...I am sorry, but I think there is more value to Campbell than what is being said here...teams are never willing to give you good players or draft picks if they know you are shopping people...I dont think Campbell is part of the trade, if it were, it would already be done, but I think McDaniels has his eye on someone else, like Leinart or Quinn and we are waiting for those ducks to line up first. I guarantee the sticking point is what chiefs gave up for Cassell...Skins are probably saying you were willing to give up only a second for Cassell, who you wanted instead of Cutler, why would we give you 2 first round picks for Cutler when you did not even want him...I think if this was going to happen, it would have already have happened... when you see huge trades being done and discussed the sh$t is already worked out and stuff is done, they are probably way off right now and looking for 3 rd partner

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Let me ask a question: would your opinion change if Shanahan were involved? (I'm not reporting or implying anything, just posing a hypothetical.)

Posted by: Cindy Boren

My point exactly. Shanahan is 16th in wins -- ALL TIME. A proven winner and one of the top offensive minds in the game. More wins than any active coach. .600 career winning percentage. How do you not factor that in? This only makes sense if Shanahan is in the mix. (of course, I reported this first, Cindy dahling ... )

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

MAtt Mosely is completely wrong.

Because JC17 is the utmost professional, he will do his job if we don't trade him and don't get Cutty.

He will then beast out or flame. If he beast out, we'll show him the money. If he flames, we'll give him restricted tender offer next year.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Haha! Jason Lacanwhatever can't talk now that we're about to get the best QB in football, so what if he whines, throws tons of interceptions (behind a really good o-line) is a drunk and will have to learn a new system. He can join the other quality characters we've brought in like Albert I-paralyzed-a-guy-with-my-ferrari Haynesworth (he was in a rush, shut up, everyone makes mistakes) and older than the flood goodies like Renaldo "superstar" Wynn and Philip Daniels. We're super bowl bound! No one wins with good lines or good receivers, you win with superstars like mark brunell, deion sanders and devin thomas. man oh man, can't wait till that hack canfora eats his words next year when we're at the super bowl. Quick fixes by defintion work quickly and effectively.
(Also: Jason caused the financial markets to collapse and invented AIDS)

Posted by: YourPsychologist | April 2, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Well - What is JC17's record when he throws 2 or more INTs?

Fair and Balanced.


Fair. And. Balance.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 4:54 PM

Good question 4th.

Jason had 2 games where he threw 2 picks last year. Pittsburgh and Baltimore, and we lost both.

In Cutlers case, it was KC, Miami, NE and SD.

Just goes to prove how important protecting the ball is.

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

The more I think about this deal the worse it looks.

In the end we're gonna be giving up no less than a 1st and 3rd round pick and Campbell.... that leaves us with HUGE unfilled holes at other positions and a marginally improved QB who wont have a good enough O-line or receiver corps for it to matter.

Campbell deserves one more year and we NEED those picks .... our team is aging with more holes than old swiss cheese ... giving up 2 top picks is a recipe for 5 years of terribadness.

Posted by: mac2j | April 2, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Goodbye Zorn...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

WRC is reporting that Zorn has just resigned as Redskins head coach. WOW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Hanrahan in Ashburn on 980 says it going to go down tonite.

Sounds like someone sworn him to secrecy - he sounded very firm about it.

Posted by: gdennie | April 2, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Why in the world would you pass on a better, more talented, younger QB just to keep a guy that at his peak you can put him on a great, great Superbowl-caliber team and watch him win.

That's just backwards thinking. Get over your fan favorites people. I like Campbell but yall are ridiculous.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Explain to me how Jay Cutler is "better" than JC17?

Explain to me how Jay Cutler is "more talented" than JC 17?

Posted by: p1funk | April 2, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

mhartz1, you're assuming even a moderate amount of shrewdness on Snyder's part.

Bad assumption.

Posted by: smutsboy | April 2, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

JC17 on 980 right now....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The Rooney Rule forbids the hiring of a new HC without interviewing minority applicants first.

But, like everything else, Snidely will just throw money at the fine and move on just like he does with all of his other bonehead moves.

Posted by: swowra | April 2, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Cutler's 30+ point games:
Raiders 41 points (27th rated defense)
Chargers 39 points (25th rated defense)
Saints 34 points (23rd rated defense)
Browns 34 points (26th rated defense)
Jets 34 points (16th rated defense)

Again, I ask, who is Cutler lighting up? Its not the elite defenses. Skins played 10 games against top 13 defenses, 8 against top 8 defenses and 6 against top 5 defenses.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SmallPen15 | April 2, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/Redskins-Cutler-trade-42337677.html

Alot of peeps were bashing me because I believed in Keim when he 1st reported rumors of Cutty to the Skins.

Well, now he says it is imminent...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Explain to me how Jay Cutler is "better" than JC17?

Explain to me how Jay Cutler is "more talented" than JC 17?

Posted by: p1funk | April 2, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

He can't. He never holds his a** accountable for anything that comes out of it.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SmallPen15 | April 2, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

anybody know about us getting back a 2nd rounder if JayTay goes back to Miami???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 4:51 PM |

No because we cut him, you only get picks for losing FA's.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

we are so f'ed!!!

i was trying to stay medium about dan snyder...appreciating the fact that he, like me, grew up a diehard skins fan and with all his money, just wants to win the superbowl...

ive never like any of his moves but kept thinking he woudl come around and goig into this offseason believe in what they were selling that they were gonna start building for the future and finding value for the money...

but this freagin gong show is just getting rediculous...we had holes all over this team and all we've done is gone out and way overpaid for 2 "stars" with potential attitude problems...now with nothing left to work with...were going to sell whats left of our future on a gunslinger qb that really is likely overhyped just like hall...he's got potential just like jc...maybe even more...but clearly another questionable personality...

do you really think this guy is going to do any better than jc with no offensive line and no receivers.

we're about to give away the last bit of leverage to get a qb we dont really need at this point...

seriously though...maybe we are just stockpiling a few stars...with the hopes of next year being an uncapped year...

i see the only way this FO can ever fill all our holes and needs would be in an uncapped year when they can actually go out and buy everyone they coveted or thought of coveting...its the only possible way this makes any sense...

now i feel like the people i feel sorry for like lions fans or should i say laugh at like dallas fans cause they've got a meddeling and rediculous owner in jerry jones...but both of those are like calling the kettle black anymore...

somone put me out of my misery...or better yet put that little pint sized fantasy football owner out of his misery...seriously...isnt there some sort of fantasy football league out there for billionairs that he can buy into and where he can play these coveting player games and get his rocks off and just give the redskins back to We The People...!?!?!? now i wish i was a packer fan...and had my certificate of team stock...knowing that the likes of danny snyder and his 8!tch GM would never be allow in my organization....

THOU SHALT NOT COVET!!!!! guess that isnt his religion though...

Posted by: deadskin | April 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Keim has legit sources. He's been around the league for a while. Not jumping from one Pro Sports to another......

Cutty is going to be our QB.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Skins Privately Denying Reports Of Imminent Cutler Trade
Posted by Mike Florio on April 2, 2009, 5:07 p.m.

Many of you have sent the link to John Keim’s latest report regarding the status of trade talks between the Redskins and the Broncos for quarterback Jay Cutler.

Keim says that a deal is imminent.

But one team source privately has denied the report.

We’re not taking a position on this one. If it’s truly imminent, it’ll happen imminently. Unless it doesn’t.

Two weeks ago, executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato publicly denied a bogus-from-the-outset report that the Redskins were close to acquiring Cutler in a three-team deal that would have sent quarterback Jason Campbell and tight end Chris Cooley to Cleveland.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Cutler to bears its officail

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 2, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Report: Cutler Thinks He’ll Be A Redskin
Posted by Mike Florio on April 2, 2009, 5:12 p.m.

With the Redskins privately denying that they’ll soon acquiring Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, Cutler reportedly believes that he’ll soon be headed there.

According to Gary Miller of CBS4 in Denver, Cutler thinks that a deal is coming.

It remains to be seen whether Cutler will be shipped to a new team with or without a new contract. Presumably, Cutler wants one.

He’s due to earn a base salary of only $1.03 million in 2009, giving the Redskins a very manageable cap number.

Next year, Cutler will earn a $4 million roster bonus and a base salary of $1.42 million. In 2011, the roster bonus shoots to $12 million, and the salary will be $1.81 million.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

It just went down

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 2, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Thank you to the Bears for preventing Vinny and Danny from doing something completely idiotic.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Cutler to Bears

Posted by: swowra | April 2, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

F you Danny YOU LOST TO THE BEARS you DOLT Yeah!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 2, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

The more they deny, the more you know it has to be done already...

Cutler to Bears! Cutler to the BEARS!!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

welp, let's hope J-Cam beasts out and forgets all about Snyder trying to ship him out.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Cutler to Bears

Posted by: swowra | April 2, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Spin this now Danny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 2, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Post a link on the Bears thing are shut up.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

To the Bears

Posted by: Boomer80 | April 2, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Bears got cutler

Posted by: why-hate | April 2, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness. Now the team can focus on imperative matters, the Oline, Dline, and OLB.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 2, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

nfl.com reporting bears and broncos have a deal.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 2, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

anyone else thinks it is a little bit funny that you are starting to hear denail rumors from the redskins around the same time that the bears agree to terms

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 2, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Danny Snyder = Tool

Despite your best efforts to run this franchise into the ground, you've been thwarted.

Have fun mopping this one up, you schmuck.

Posted by: p1funk | April 2, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

BEEP BEEP as if you didn't know

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Praise Jesus!
(he's my gardner)

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 2, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

FOIST. PTI just spit it out that Cutler has been traded to the Bears for 2 first roun ders plus Orton. Stay tuned ....

Posted by: renaw9 | April 2, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Campbell will play good soldier, and Danny boy will have to give him his extension.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 2, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

2009 9-7 last again sigh

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 2, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

2009 Bears go to SB

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 2, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

They got 2009 and 2010 1st rounders + Orton + 2009 3rd rounder for Cutler + a 5th rounder ...

All I can say is thank god Danny didnt pull the trigger ... I could totally see us giving up our 2009/2010 1st rounders + JC + Carlos Rogers or something epically idiotic like that.

Posted by: mac2j | April 2, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I am a fan of Jay Cutler on the field but feel as if a guy crying about a possible trade is a bit more then I want from the Redskins starting quarterback. Jason Campbell has said all the right things and handled his situation the total opposite way Cutler handled his. Now watch this season as Campbell goes out and plays like an all pro and the Skins lose him do to their unwillingness to extend him then offer him to Denver for a cry baby punk with a golden arm. Jay wouldn't help the Skins from his back just as Jason hasn't been able to do much. Lets just pray for solid offensive line play. I think Jason has shown quite a bit when he gets time... Like the 6-2 start from a season ago when he was being considered a candidate for league MVP by experts such as Ron Jaworski. Another year in the West Coast could mean a good season. My fingers are crossed.

Posted by: daniel_estepp | April 2, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

YOU KNOW WHAT?, FFFFFFFF JLC!!! YOU ARE SUCH A FN LOSER U PIECE OF NOTHINGNESS!! YOU DONT REPORT SKINS NEWS, U MAKE S***T UP JUST TO FUEL YOUR AGENDA AGAINST THE SKINS. YOU ARE COMPLETELY WORTHLESS, PLEASE GO FIND ANOTHER JOB COVERING MINOR LEAGUE HOCKEY, OR BETTER YET DONKEY BALL, THATS WHERE U BELONG!!

Posted by: SkinEm1 | April 2, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

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