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JC and the CBA

The Redskins spend a good portion of their offseasons restructuring contracts, creating much-needing cap room and issuing millions in new bonuses, so for the most part the club's key players are tied up well into the future (though not nearly as many of those players will actually likely make to the duration of those contracts).

The one person who's future is far more murky is the central figure in the entire organization. The make or break guy. Jason Campbell - the perennial QB of the future - has two years remaining on his rookie contract and the Redskins have yet to open any sort of contract talks with him, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. Campbell is also one of the persons most profoundly impacted by the possibility of an uncapped 2010 season.

Campbell remains something of an unknown commodity, largely through issues out of his control - constantly-changing systems, a ridiculously conservative game plan much of last season, injuries to key weapons, injury to himself - but this will be a situation to monitor closely.

If a team knows it has a franchise QB, then they jump on an extension early, like right about now. That's a no-brainer in the NFL, otherwise you're looking at spending exponentially more to keep the guy. You have to move quickly. But Campbell had to wait a year-and-a-half to even appear in a game, started the final half of the 2006 season and then missed the last 6 weeks of last season with injury. So you've got a very limited sample size to evaluate

Campbell's situation is abnormal as well, however, because if the NFL does not get a new CBA and 2010 is indeed an uncapped year, well, he wouldn't be eligible for unrestricted free agency. He'd have five years of service - six would be necessary under the rules surrounding an uncapped year - and thus would he still be a restricted free agent if out of contract following the 2009 season. Now, of course, we're a long ways from 2010 and most people I speak to believe the NFL will get a new CBA before then, but when exactly obviously is a huge unknown.

So do you gamble and wait to see how that is resolved first? How soon do you go in and do a deal? And if you're JC, do you get worried about the possibility of missing out on free agency because of the uncapped year and end up doing a cheaper deal now to prevent the mere possibility of missing out n free agency (but then also possibly leaving millions on the table)?

It's a weird time for the league and few if any teams I can think of have to deal with this CBA quirkiness in terms of how it relates to their potential franchise QB - something in heavy demand around the league but preciously short supply.

The Redskins also have Todd Collins waiting in the wings and a win-now mentality from the owner, and it's a subject of much debate as to how much time Campbell will even be given this season to break through. To me you'd think the kid deserves upward of 28- 32 starts before he'd be cast aside - especially considering all that way given up to trade up and get him - but in the modern NFL that's a long time.

He is the one potential loose end on the contract front, and should he start strong maybe the Skins try to work something out in-season. Maybe they wait until next offseason, too, but, again, if he has a big season then his price tag is going to soar and it won't be cheap to prevent him from testing free agency, especially if teams are looking to go bonkers on 2009 free agents ahead of a possible un-capped year in 2010 (when players will need 6 years of service to hit the UFA market, and thus little marquee talent will be floating around (they will be a lot of extensions between now and then as well).

These are the kind of decisions that mark a franchise for years to come, and can be the difference between major rebuilding and perennial contention, the difference between having a quality young QB at a conservative cap figure for a while, or being saddled with a huge contract on a first-round QB who ends up being a back-up (a la Patrick Ramsey).

. The Redskins would do well to be the first to make the proper long-term evaluation on Campbell, and then act accordingly, but with the CBA in limbo a difficult decision is made all the more complex.

By Jason La Canfora  |  May 27, 2008; 7:01 AM ET
 
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Comments

First, damn it, first!!!!

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 7:09 AM | Report abuse

This is great, wow, um, I'd like to thank God first and foremost, without Him this doesn't happen...my wife and my daughter, their support was crucial in this endeavor. My family, friends, a job that allows me to play on the internet for long periods of time first thing in the morning, and all my friends here on the blog, I love you all!

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

On to the matter of Campbell, I think it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. They could resign him to something modest now, and still have to renegotiate if he outplays the contract later (this year and next). But if they wait until next year, they'll have a better idea of what kind of QB he is, but if he has a big year he'll demand big money. I'm anxious to see how this plays out...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

If they can't get this JC thing worked out...shame on them. If he is your stater than commit to him. He has all of the tools that you are looking for and you sa him excel when given a chance to get in rythmn and throw. Zorn should help make him a well above average strater.

Vinny better not screw this up.

Posted by: Rick | May 27, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow, is anyone else up this morning?

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Interesting article jasno

Posted by: jonthefisherman | May 27, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Usually QBs get extened when they make the plaoffs or win a lot of games.

I.E. Romo, Anserson, Gerrad, Bulger....

Campbell still is earning his way. This is the year where they determine if it's worth going long term. They all know it.

I don't think it's a big deal, though.....

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | May 27, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Happy Tuesday, and agreed 4th. Not a big deal right now. Lets see how he does with a full compliment of players around him, this year.

Posted by: Greg | May 27, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

I'll save us a whole lot of time. JC is the second coming of Mark Rypien. A good journeyman QB that could take you to the promised land if he's got a great supporting cast. But he'll never put a team on his back and take them somewhere. It's just not in the kid. He tends to freeze up at clutch moments in the game. Todd isn't the answer, but he tends to play better in big situations more often than not (Seattle being a big knock on his resume). All in all, safe to say this team is screwed as long as Danny and Vinny are in the picture.

Posted by: Eli'scoming | May 27, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait for Eli Manning's deal with the devil expires and Giants fans get another dose of reality...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are making a great "Non-Move". Campbell is a good QB but not great. Let's be honest, Collins came in and lit up the place at the end of last season with the same boring offensive plan JC had to work with. We have two years left on his deal to see if he is a fit for Zorn-Ball. Let's wait and see for a while instead of spending too much of Mr.Snyders money.

Posted by: Bob from Ashburn | May 27, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Bob, disagree with the comments about the "same boring offensive gameplan". IIRC, the gameplan was opened up, once Collins got in, due to Saunders being more confident in his ability to execute the Saunders offense.

I could be wrong about this, but if memory serves me, I recall it happening like this.

Posted by: Greg | May 27, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Heyyaa,

I think it works to both parties' advantage to wait it out & see what happens with the new system.

The kid has great potential and if he can gel with any of the receivers, he'll get his due. If not, I'm sure he'll appreciate being able to go a-searchin' w/o a huge contract to compensate for.

So I doubt either camp is going to push for anything until next year at least...

xox
Dik

Posted by: The AMAZING Dik Shuttle of the Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE | May 27, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Greg, Aren't you essentially coming to the same conclusion as Bob, If Collins could open up the offense because he was better qualified to run Saunders offense after not being in a game FOREVER, doesn't that say something about Campbells ability to run the offense after being the starter for the first 12 games? The biggest difference I noticed between Campbell and Collins was how much faster Collins got the ball out of his hands and to the receiver. Campbell had a tnedency to hesitate and wait a bit too long to make a decision. Hopefully mthis was a result of his only being a short term starter and he will get on track this year under Zoens tuteledge.

Wait on a new long term contract until this can be determined.

Posted by: CapSkins1 | May 27, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

It pains me to say it, but Campbell just doesn't have it. Should've known, he IS from Auburn.

Posted by: Hizzle | May 27, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Greg that Saunders/Gibbs were more willing to open up the offense once Collins was the starter. Now I do not believe that Campbell was incapable or not qualified to run that offense, I believe it was merely Gibbs philosophy to trust veteran QB's more than younger QB's.
Zorn will not coddle Campbell. He will call the game the way he believes it needs to be called. We will not sit on a 4-point lead with ten minutes left to play in the fourth quarter. Now it is up to JC to prove he belongs in the NFL as a starting QB. I hope he does...

Posted by: Matt | May 27, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Hey, what happened to letting the QB have a few seasons before he runs anything...?

I know I'm auld skewel, but geez. He's been through coaching controversy & system controversy and never really got a big chance to learn. - he still could suck, tho.

But do we really want to turn JC into a congressman?! (tip o' the graft to Heath-Bar Schuler)

Posted by: Dik | May 27, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

CapSkins1 - My thoughts on the differences between JC and Collins was that JC was hesitant to throw to a spot and wanted to see that the receivers were there first. Now whether this was due to the fact that the receiving corps had a revolving cast last year or the fact that JC hadn't shaken old habits, we'll never know. But Collins had been in that system for years and trusted every part of the system. So if he was told to throw it to a spot without someone being there, he trusted that someone would be there. He knew that he wouldn't be to blame if the receiver didn't do their part. JC wasn't that confident in the system, yet.

Posted by: BCBarney | May 27, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Every team has had high draft pick QBs not work out. Can we stop talking about Patrick Ramsey yet? How many other teams have picked a QB on the 1st day of the draft that did not develop into Dan Marino or John Elway?

Posted by: Dorf | May 27, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

If he makes it through the preseason and Week One healthy, then I say get a deal done ASAP after that. Just too much garbage time ... I mean, learning time ... btwn now and then.

Also, pft says Roy Williams is on his way out in Dallas. Say what I will about Roy Williams (in)ability to hold onto a pick, the guy can hit. I say pick him up ... and play him at weakside linebacker.

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

By hit do you mean horse-collar?

Posted by: Dorf | May 27, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

DCSween - Are you kidding me. Just like LaVar would never play for Dallas. I will never play for the Deadskins

Posted by: Roy Williams | May 27, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Wow. I didn't know Roy Williams read the blog. Where's Nate to rally the welcoming committee?

It is such an honor.

Posted by: Dorf | May 27, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

JC's still unproven in my opinion. If he does well in the WCO next season then by all means sign him then. I'd be curious to know if Cerrato was one of the guys pushing for them to draft JC when they did or was it strictly a Gibbs decision. Now that Cerrato's calling the shots he might have a very different opinion of JC's ability, or not. Much as I love Gibbs it was his decision to stick with a shot Brunell that delayed JC's development.

Posted by: skinswest | May 27, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The Todd Collins over JC people never fail to crack me up. JC will be good, have faith, way to early to judge, and the glass is just as easily seen as half full.

Dcsweeny, c'mon.......that's crazy talk...F Roy Williams....he is to small for LB....let him go to the AFC West or something...

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

The JC/Collins comparison isn't a fair one. One guy has been in the system for 8 years and may be the best QB ever at making mental reps count since there were no physical reps. The other guy is essentially a rookie QB who is learning a new system AND learning how to play at the NFL level. For 2007 and maybe 2008 (if Saunders system were still in place for '08) Collins is the better guy, but in the long term there's no question JC is the guy. Both guys are learning a new system this year, so the advantages Collins had before are now null and void.

And Sween, please spare me the "let's get Roy Williams" thing. It would be a beyond ridiculous transaction. If moving a strong safety to linebacker was such an easy proposition, I'm pretty sure the Skins would have done that with Archuleta.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Don't want no Cowgoils on my team!

Posted by: Dik | May 27, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Hey Prison Mike checking in. I don't get a lot of free time to BMGO in the clank. Its really bad up here. The very worst thing is the dementors. They are flying all over the place and they are scary and then they come down and they suck the soul out of your body, and it hurts!

Posted by: Mike Vick | May 27, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

cL, OK, I'll buy it that Roy Williams (6'0" 225) is two inches shorter than our outside guys. Valid.

brownwood, Lemar Marshall's college career was as a strong safety. Strong safety to OLB and back is not uncommon. Archuleta just wasn't good.

Also, LaVar Schmlavar, money is money and a player will play for who pays him.

Still: we need another outside LB till Rocky Mac is fixed.

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, damn the whole sign-a-Cowboy thing. The only player on that roster I would even half-way accept is DeMarcus Ware. The rest can go to hell.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, Lemar Marshall's college career was as a strong safety. Strong safety to OLB and back is not uncommon. Archuleta just wasn't good.

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 10:55 AM
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Yeah Sween, but Lemar Marshall was undrafted. No downside if the guy doesn't make the team. Roy Williams isn't signing with us or anyone else for the vet minimum/back up LB spot.

Besides, Lemar got switched because he was too slow to play DB in the NFL. Roy Williams has the speed to play, but he just can't cover worth a damn, and he'd still have to play some coverage as a LB. So instead of getting burned by WRs, he'd just get burned by TEs and RBs (and sometimes FBs).

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, damn the whole sign-a-Cowboy thing. The only player on that roster I would even half-way accept is DeMarcus Ware. The rest can go to hell.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 10:56 AM

Two things:

1) I wonder if Dallas fans hate Redskins fans as much as some hate them. If they don't then that says something about Washington fans.

2) You don't really mean that, do you brown?

Posted by: Red(Running on fumes) | May 27, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Denver would be a good landing spot for Roy Williams. He doesn't really fit the Redskins defensive scheme.

Posted by: jcook | May 27, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Roy Williams has the speed to play, but he just can't cover worth a damn, and he'd still have to play some coverage as a LB. So instead of getting burned by WRs, he'd just get burned by TEs and RBs (and sometimes FBs).

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 11:02 AM

Watched last year's Skins game in Dallas this weekend on the NFL Network. Cooley made R Williams look like an idiot all game long.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

If they can't get this JC thing worked out...shame on them. If he is your stater than commit to him. He has all of the tools that you are looking for and you sa him excel when given a chance to get in rythmn and throw. Zorn should help make him a well above average strater.

Vinny better not screw this up.

Posted by: Rick | May 27, 2008 7:32 AM
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Rick, did you not even read the article?

Campbell has shown NOTHING to make anyone think he is a franchise QB. We drafted him HOPING he would be a franchise QB. He has POTENTIAL. He has TOOLS.

But you don't give out huge contract based soley on personal hope, potential, and tools. You give a player a huge contract because he has PROVEN he can get the job done.

There is no reason to rush to get a deal done here. Even if we don't get anything done with campbell before he becomes a free agent, so what? we'd still have the opportunity to keep him by matching the offer another team made. If we had to match an offer another team made, then we would have a real good feel about what campbell was worth.

Sure, we'd LIKE to get a cheap deal done with campbell now, and then have him tear things up and be a probowl quarterback, but you know what would happen then? campbell would be disgruntled with his deal and resent the skins and there would be controversy.

The best thing for everone is for campbell to prove what he is capeable of doing on the field, and for us to make a decision on whether we want him or not. if we want him, then give him a deal according to his worth. its not that complicated.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 27, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

How can you have speed but can't cover anyone?

Is it a mental thing with him, a la JC?

Posted by: Red(Brain Cramp) | May 27, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I would full way accept DeMarcus Ware (and, for that matter, Plaxico Burress and/or Brian Westbrook). Once The Owner signs the paycheck, they would only being playing for the NFC East team that should make a difference.

Red(Running), I bet there are more Dallas fans in DC than there are Skins fans in Dallas. And its for the same reason that Dallas fans don't despise the Skins as much as Skins fans despise Dallas. Its call a chip and its borne on a shoulder ... has something to do with the scene right before the closing credits in a lot of Cowboy v. Indians movies ...

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I got signed to a 10 year deal with that lockdown. Colon shanks happen all the time on that prison yard. You'll be walking along to go lift some weights, next thing you know, you get shanked in the back by a South Side Nancy.

Hard living.

Posted by: Prison Balls | May 27, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Speed is only part of the equation in coverage. A defender has to be able to read the offense as it moves toward him, anticipate the play before it occurs and then execute the required defensive move. All while his feet are moving, usually as quickly as possible.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Two things:

1) I wonder if Dallas fans hate Redskins fans as much as some hate them. If they don't then that says something about Washington fans.

2) You don't really mean that, do you brown?

Posted by: Red(Running on fumes) | May 27, 2008 11:05 AM

Yes, wholeheartedly. And Dallas fans do hate Skins fans, which is why they're at FedEx hating in full throat even when Dallas isn't playing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"Campbell has shown NOTHING to make anyone think he is a franchise QB."

Really? NOTHING? Seems he lead some comebacks , had some good plays, made some big plays on his feet. The dude is young, he has shown a lot of good things. We are starting to sound like Giants fans who wanted to hang Eli. And he looked way worse, for longer stretches than JC ever has.

I say he has shown SOMETHING that would behoove the skins to begin talks.

And pretty sure Vin/Dan agree as it was widely reported that JC and how to handle him long term was a big part of the HC coaching saerach and probably a major reason a QB guy like Zorn got the job.....

JC is part of the solution, not the problem.

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

By the way, Red, you can have speed and not be able to cover. Coverage is about angles and being the right place at the right time. If Williams took the proper angles, he would have half the horse-collar tackles he has because he'd be in front of the player instead of behind him.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

by the way JC & the CBA has a nice ring to it.....could be a good handle for one of you anons...or the name of a new hip act or something...

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the advice cL.

Now F ya and the mentally challenged pig you rode in on.

Posted by: JC & the CBA | May 27, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

1) To hell with Roy Williams and any other Cowgirls. We don't need the horse-collaring Williams here anyway.

2) JC doesn't have it.

3) Even though JC doesn't have it, we're at least better off than the Titans, who had to have a WTF moment when Vince Young said he thought about retiring after his rookie season. Oops!

Posted by: Hizzle | May 27, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

JC is part of the solution, not the problem.

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 11:21 AM

Amen, CL!

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

NO REASON TO LIVE?

Before some of the geniuses here cut Campbell, let's see how he does throwing the ball to non-midget WRs.

No offense to the short people who have been Redskin receivers but they got little baby legs and they stand so low you got to pick 'em up Just to say hello. They got grubby little fingers, and dirty little minds, they're gonna get you every time.

No one here or Jasno mentioned a little fact that the skins spent their top THREE drafts picks on non-short people receivers.

If the OL stays healthy, if Moss's muscles stay unpulled, and if, say TWO of three three receievers drafted have a good year, the answer to Campbell's skill sets should be pretty much known by mid-season.

If he's a franchise QB he'll (justifiably) want Ryan money, at least. If he's a bust, he can go have a beer with Ramsey and Shuler.

Posted by: Corkczar | May 27, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

) JC doesn't have it.

3) Even though JC doesn't have it, we're at least better off than the Titans, who had to have a WTF moment when Vince Young said he thought about retiring after his rookie season. Oops!

Posted by: Hizzle | May 27, 2008 11:26 AM

Now THAT's not a racist post....

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Oh, that last post of mine was an HOMAGE to Randy Newman

Posted by: Corkczar | May 27, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

The Skins have the QB of the future on their roster, and his name is...Colt or Cole or something like that. Kid set a bunch of records and can sling it. JC seems like sweet guy, and I'd love to see him succeed but he takes forever to get rid of the ball, holds it too low(one thing Spurrier knew was a QB has to hold it high and tight with both hands) and seems slow to decide what to do with it. Plus, he tends to turn it over a lot. Put his arm on Collins and you have Peyton friggin' Manning, but Oscar Goldman is not on the payroll. Sorry JC, no contract extension for you.

Posted by: AAA | May 27, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

What does anyone think about us going after Erasmus James who just got cut from the vikings? he could be cheap and provide depth.

Posted by: Great One | May 27, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I think I'm excited about the players this season... just a little worried about Zorn-o being able to hold the team together and juggle the HC responsibilities.

Posted by: Dorf | May 27, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

What does anyone think about us going after Erasmus James who just got cut from the vikings? he could be cheap and provide depth.

Posted by: Great One | May 27, 2008 11:43 AM

He has done nothing since coming into the league except get hurt. He has played eight games in the last two years. The only depth he can provide is on injured reserve and we don't really need depth there.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 27, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"Now THAT's not a racist post...."


Joke?

Posted by: Hizzle | May 27, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Boy, I hope AAA's post is a joke...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Great points you provided TE, But what if those two injury years were flukes, and he is primed for break out season?

Posted by: Great One | May 27, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

ChrisLarry, your own comments make my point.

JC has shown SOME promise. he has made SOME good plays. He has led SOME comebacks, made SOME big plays with his feet... notice a pattern here?

JLC has showed SOME good things... but not ENOUGH to warrant a BIG contract. he certainly hasnt shown enough to prove he can be a FRANCHISE QB and certainly hasnt shown ANYTHING in Zorns system. we would be utter fools to extend him now. then what would we look like if he turned out to be complete garbage in Zorns system? or what if he showed he simply couldnt make good decisions on a consistent basis like any NFL QB is required to do?

I am not a JC hater. I don't think he has proven he is a BAD qb. he just hasnt proven that he is a GREAT qb. not yet anyways. he hasn't proven ANYTHING yet. he simply hasnt played well enough in enough games at the NFL level to know what this guy is capeable of.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 27, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Did somebody just say Colt Brennan?

Jesus christ no. One sack in the NFL and he'll be too scared to throw it. Worst draft pick ever.

Posted by: Hizzle | May 27, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Nice Randy Newman reference Corkczar. Mrs Redcoat 1.0 was barely 5 feet tall and used to get very p*ss*d if I put 'Short People' on, which of course I did if I was annoyed with her....

Posted by: Redcoat | May 27, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

As for Erasmus James, I'll repeat my stance from yesterday: I'd rather have Rick James, Susan St. James and/or Jesse James. And all three have a greater upside.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

AAA's post is exaggerated, but his criticisms of JLC are accurate. they are not damning flaws, but concerns nontheless.

JLC needs to show dramatic improvement in nearly every aspect of his game to warrant the kind of contract a franchise QB deserves.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 27, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Great points you provided TE, But what if those two injury years were flukes, and he is primed for break out season?

Posted by: Great One | May 27, 2008 11:53 AM

Great point. I think we should get on the phone and get LaVar back, sign Courtney Brown, and trade for LeCharles Bentley. You know, just in case.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it with the JC hating up here. People are acting like he is suppose to come in and put up 4,000 yards and 30 TD's in his THIRD season!!!!!! WTF??? Give the man some time, like Cork said, lets see how he does when he isn't throwing to one of the smurfs.

And who ever said Colt Brennan is the future, your done blogging for the day.

j/k

Posted by: Red(?) | May 27, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I respectfully disagree with everyone on Erasmus james. I think this is one of those times were you can look like a genius either way. he performs at pro bowl level then you are genuis for picking him up. he doesnt perform you lose nothing.

It's a win-win in my book

Posted by: Great One | May 27, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Folks, I lived in D for 3 years, and I can assure you that the Skins are DESPISED there. We "hate" the Cowboys, but their fans go to our stadium,fly their flags out their windows, stroll around in their Dallas t-shirts, and the worst they may get is a look or rude comment. Their version of "hating" the skins is harsher. I would not wear skins jerseys casually while going around their town. I never tested those waters based on the comments I heard and the letters printed in the sports pages.

Yes, this is a generalization, there are over the top folks everywhere, but they have more than their fair share.

Posted by: the skinny | May 27, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Colt Brennan might be pretty good. As a backup. Who never plays. Except for kneeldowns.

I agree Red(?), that folks need to calm down on the JC hating. You don't just roll out of bed and throw for 4,000 yds, 30 tds and a 100 QB rating in the NFL. You need to develop and have the good fortune of having players around you. If you look at the top QBs in the game, they've all got some really good weapons to make them look good. Cooley and Moss are a nice start, but a couple of big targets stepping up will show us what JC has for real.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I've commented a lot on my OPINION of "jay schroeder, I mean jason campbell."

1. Jla is VERY biased on his opinion of jason campbell(last year he blogged about sitting in campbell's bentley waiting out a rain), and admittedly NOT a fan of the Redskins or the front office.

2. Besides Sammy Baugh, no Redskin quarterback has been "groomed" from draft day to superbowl or even play-off sunday within the organization. So let's not be so quick to DAMN the current front office on this issue Jla, it's a Redskins tradition...albeit one that I understand you know little about or care too much about.

Posted by: Richmond Dave | May 27, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

JC fumbling is inexcusable, without a doubt. But him taking too long to get rid of the ball was attributed to his familiarity with Al Saunders offense. He wasn't comfortable in it, and probably never would've been. It just wasn't for him, and besides, people have compalined of the complexity of it for years. Productive? Yes. A little too damn complex? (Especially for football players :-) Maybe.

And can we STOP IT with the comparisons to Todd Collins. Collins held it together down the stretch, but like someone said dude was exposed in the playoffs, and the success he had was becuase OF his familiarity with Saunders 700 pages of poppycock.

Posted by: Red(Jeans) | May 27, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

why do people (i.e. brown) continuously associate a persons not worshiping JLC and blindly assuming he is the savior of this franchise with hating JC.

He hasnt proven anything one way or the other to prove whether he can be a franchise qb or not. period. people who like him can argue one way. people who don't can argue the other. but the verdict is still out. he hasnt shown anything definative yet. we will know for sure by the end of the year, assuming he stays healthy.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 27, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

It's a win-win in my book

Posted by: Great One | May 27, 2008 12:06 PM

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Football for Dummies?


Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Richmond Dave forgets about Mark Rypien

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Richmond Dave forgets about Mark Rypien

Posted by: | May 27, 2008 12:24 PM

And Joe Theisman

Posted by: skinswest | May 27, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

It's a win-win in my book

Posted by: Great One | May 27, 2008 12:06 PM

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Football for Dummies?


how did you know?

Posted by: Great One | May 27, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

talk, I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm a JC supporter. I don't think you can consider him a bust quite yet. I do agree, that after this year we should know if he's hoing to be a decent QB in this league. I don't think JC has to be the next Manning, Marino, or Elway. It's been proven in the NFL that you can win with marginal QB play, and I think JC will be better than marginal.

It's way too early to say, but if I were forced, I think Campbell will not be a HOF'er. I see him as a Steve McNair type QB.

Even McNair went to a super bowl.

Posted by: Red(No more JC talk 4 me) | May 27, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Man I hope JC is not "hoing".

Should read "going".

Then again, we all do to an extent.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

beantown greg @ 12:04 PM.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

this all has nothing to do with Janso....people really...

If you can get JC to sign a reasonable contract now, you have to consider it. Start negotiating now. If you wait and what we HOPE happens and we let him leave or break the bank....how dumb would that be...

I am not saying morgage the future but open up the dialog now....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

What's this I read about "let's see how Jason performs when he's not throwing to "smurf" recievers?" WTF?

Did Santana and Antwan switch to 6 inch spikes after Campbell got hurt and Collins came in?

Or did Mark Brunell have a hard time finding Moss in 06'?

I'm beginning to become a hater of not JC but of the ignorance shown in his excuse makers on this blog! :)

Do you guys work for Snyder?

Campbell is an average quarterback NOW, and we may not ever KNOW what he could have become...But it's clear that he has NOT taken advantage of the current situation like Collins did last season, nor take CLEAR advantage of the situation during mini camp.

The only thing that is CLEAR, is that he hasn't performed, EVER, in a pressure situation...Game experience or not, he didn't KNOW or have a clue about Saunders offense last season...and I would have said last off season WAS a pressure situation with the playbook. And he failed.

And the comments about Saunders "opening" it up for Collins and not for Campbell...Because Collins knew it better, or was more familiar with it than Jason...Well to that I find BS. Because he successfully tutored Driesbach at Michigan, Green at Kansas City, and even started for the Bills, while tutoring Flutie.

Why couldn't he help Jason? Hmmm.

Posted by: Richmond Dave | May 27, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

wasn't me at 12:04, although it does sound like something I'd have written. LOL

Posted by: Greg | May 27, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

JC is a talented young QB with the potential to become a great one.

He needs some consistency around him, some coaching and some time.

It may be that he will only become a good QB, not a great one. That's okay, plenty of good QBs have won the super bowl.

Posted by: Stumped | May 27, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Talkshowhost,

I'm not sure why I was included in the last rant; I'm pretty sure I've been on record all along as one who would like to wait and see what Campbell can do. I don't think he's a world-beater at this point, but I just thoroughly disagree with those who believe we should scrap the JC project and move on. I think he should play out his contract (this year and next year) and his play will determine his future here. Easy solution.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 27, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

CL,

Let's see Soup take command of, and finish at least one game, maybe even put together a little winning streak.

Then............... we'll talk.

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

why do people (i.e. brown) continuously associate a persons not worshiping JLC and blindly assuming he is the savior of this franchise with hating JC.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 27, 2008 12:22 PM

You're mixing apples and oranges, or QBs and scribes. Isn't JC the QB and JLC the venerable host of this blog?

Man, I get confused because I want to hate one and love the other, but now I can't remember which is which. I hope they both come to Nate's Shabingus and that, to make it perfect, they both buy me a drink. Then I really won't know which one to hate.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 27, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

that may turn out penny wise and dollar foolish....but sure do that.....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I did, forget about Rypien, because like JC he didn't dress for the first year of his pro career, unlike JC he didn't dress for the second either.

If anything "screwed" jc it was that. His mental toughness is far from indomitable in the 3 year sample size we have for him as a Redskin. I think that the rookie season hurt an ego and a pride of a player that didn't operate with a lot of adversity on the field in college.

The play books and OC issue I believe has further damaged any available goods that he had left...

And now JZ...the writing is on the wall. I hope to god that colt is not it, but with 20 starts...JC hasn't shown me anything that would allow me to believe that he'll be anything but the below average quarterback that he is NOW.

Also, do you guys remember Zorn as a player? Polar opposite of JC...

Posted by: Richmond Dave | May 27, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

If I was JC, I wouldn't even want to have a contract discussion at this point. Other than my "perennial QB of the future" status, I have no leverage at this point.

Let's show them city folks what I can do first, then hit 'em up for a big raise!

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The Nate Shabingus is the same time i run the Belmont. you shabingus people better watch me.

Posted by: Big Brown | May 27, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Thought this was a good thread by JLC so am not sure why he is taking some heat here today...

To me, JC's biggest problem was Gibbs. philosophy on not giving young players a chance and a very conservative game plan. Last year the early injuries did not help with his learning or playing in Saunders' system. Collins was the beneficiary of a healthier team and one dedicated to make some meaning of the ST tragedy, but in the end proved why he is a back-up QB at best.

With a healthy Oline and receivers, this year will show what JC is capable of and what type of contract he should get. In fact, we may not need the whole year to find this out. It's not too early or too late to work out the future earnings of this QB.

Love the passion on here today and can't wait till OTA's begin so that this place can be like this on a daily basis.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 27, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Let's play finish the sentence!


If I was Jason Campbell, I would ______.

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

kick TSH and Richmond Dave in the nutz


Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Overslept ... alarm clock problem. So I'm late to the conversation.

Campbell had a decent season, not great. Playing behind a mediocre line (due to injuries) with WRs that were nothing special (OK, Moss vs GB was special, but only because he did more to LOSE the game). For many games, the running game was also pretty modest.

Campbell also was held back due to the offense ... I totally agree. Still, the ONLY thing Campbell didn't do ... win at the end. About 6 games could have been pulled out. Now that is a tough thing to learn, I wouldn't get to down on Soup over that.

To me, Campbell is an NFL quality starter. If he progresses, he could be a terrific player. This is the year we find that out.

The one other thing that no one has mentioned ... Campbell is already 26 (same age as Portis). That isn't that young.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

If I was Jason Campbell, I would have more money than any of you have.

Posted by: JC | May 27, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Eat lunch, as it is lunch time here on the east coast....

Posted by: Greg | May 27, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

JK...JK TSH and RD

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Hope Richmond Dave would make same statements about Eli 8 months ago, otherwise he's bordering on racist comments.

Posted by: JC | May 27, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Collins was excellent last year, but during the run, the real star was the defense. They shut down the Gints (with the wind), shut down the Vikes run (clever move to swap the DEs), shut down the Bears (who didn't?) and shut down and shut up the Cowboys (anyone recall their rushing yards?!!).

Most of all, the Skins (Saunders) didn't 'sit' on the lead.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The Skins don't know enough about Campbell to make him super rich yet. And Campbell would be foolish to accept a deal now when he could get a ton of $$$ in a year.

Of course, lets hope JC isn't another Rypien in one sense. Have a great year, sign the big $$ and then play terribly the rest of the career.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

One thing I thought was interesting was how fast Zorn committed to Campbell as the starter. Did he really see that we had a jewel or was this from above? Campbell is what he is...a young QB finding his way. he had average weapons who were oft injured. Campbell made plenty of mistakes, but I think the Skins have to stick with him. I don't think we should baby him either. If he doesn't produce then may look at Collins. Cutting ties with Campbell, though, may hurt us in the long run since we've got a lot invested in him...

Don't forget Gibbs, in my opinion, kept him wrapped up for too long. It's inconceivable that your 1st round draft pick that you traded for couldn't even practice with the starters.

Posted by: sicwidit | May 27, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Redcoat | May 27, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Richmond Dave said: "Besides Sammy Baugh, no Redskin quarterback has been "groomed" from draft day to superbowl or even play-off sunday within the organization. So let's not be so quick to DAMN the current front office on this issue Jla, it's a Redskins tradition...albeit one that I understand you know little about or care too much about."

Does the name Theisman mean anything to you? You know, the Redskins second round pick who got to sit behind Sonny and Billy for several years LEARNING how to be a qb before going on to two Super Bowls, several Pro Bowls, and, oh yeah, helped break the NFL record for most points in a season? I'm pretty sure that's called grooming. And btw, the Redskins drafted Super Bowl MVP Rypien, too. Before you open your mouth to belittle others you might want to make sure you're actually right. Just saying...


Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Any one that knows anything about football knows that it takes time to develop a good QB. You must have weapons and the QB must have the tools. Campbell has the tools. He needs to work on accuracy, but look how many dropped passes he had too.

Posted by: sicwidit | May 27, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Richmond Dave. You don't think Collins success last year didn't have a little to do with the fact he studied the offense for, oh I don't know, a gazillion years?

None whatsoever? Even a smidge?

Posted by: Red(Bantam) | May 27, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Sammy Baugh never played in a Super Bowl ...

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I thought Campbell should have been throwing 40 passes a game last year. Because that is how he learns how to read to defenses. Lots of QBs describe how the game 'slows down' as they learn.

A QB doesn't learn much by handing off.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

It didn't help that Santana Moss was a walking (hobbling) incomplete pass receiver last year. When your #1 weapon is ARE, I'm handing off the ball too.

Posted by: Dorf | May 27, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

OK, just kidding about Colt... er what's his name. Never saw the kid toss a pass, but he did put up some big numbers.

I think JC's mechanical issues are very obvious, leading me to question why the NFL's most experienced, largest and most highly paid coaching staff never seemed to notice them. Someone, i think it was NFL Films, did a study last year the one thing that correlated most closely to QB success was how quickly they got rid of the ball. Think about all the great ones, from Sonny to Namath to Montana to Elway to Marino to Favre to Manning. They unload the rock right now. Campbell has a long, leisurely windup that gives DE's time to strip him, which they do repeatedly and DBs time to close on the receivers, tiny as they are. Name one great QB with JC's delivery.

I am also concerned as to how the starting QB can apparently not know the OC's system well into his second season as a starter. Maybe there was a round peg, square hole situation. Let's hope it's solved.

As for giving JC time to develop, I agree he needs it and it is too early to write him off, but surely he has not come close to proving he is a legitimate NFL QB. I am concerned that the players don't have confidence in him. To me, it looked like they preferred Collins. He took care of the football and got it in the endzone. JC didn't.

Posted by: AAA | May 27, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

OK, just kidding about Colt... er what's his name. Never saw the kid toss a pass, but he did put up some big numbers.

I think JC's mechanical issues are very obvious, leading me to question why the NFL's most experienced, largest and most highly paid coaching staff never seemed to notice them. Someone, i think it was NFL Films, did a study last year the one thing that correlated most closely to QB success was how quickly they got rid of the ball. Think about all the great ones, from Sonny to Namath to Montana to Elway to Marino to Favre to Manning. They unload the rock right now. Campbell has a long, leisurely windup that gives DE's time to strip him, which they do repeatedly and DBs time to close on the receivers, tiny as they are. Name one great QB with JC's delivery.

I am also concerned as to how the starting QB can apparently not know the OC's system well into his second season as a starter. Maybe there was a round peg, square hole situation. Let's hope it's solved.

As for giving JC time to develop, I agree he needs it and it is too early to write him off, but surely he has not come close to proving he is a legitimate NFL QB. I am concerned that the players don't have confidence in him. To me, it looked like they preferred Collins. He took care of the football and got it in the endzone. JC didn't.

Posted by: AAA | May 27, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

WESLEY CHAPEL, Fla.

Gaithersburg High School graduate and former Tampa Bay Buccaneers player Thomas McHale, was found dead at a friend's home early Sunday morning, May 25. 2008, his birthday, at age 45.

Tom leaves behind his wife Lisa, three sons, T.J., Mikey and Matthew, and many friends in the DC metro area.


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In all seriousness, which is not much these days, I'd like to now exploit this blog to honor the memory of a recently departed friend, Thomas McHale:

Handsome, well mannered, and intelligent, Tom, the son of a naval officer, was a natural football player, and King of The Backyard BBQ.

At 6'4" and 225 pounds, the 17 year old Thomas McHale was part of a regular crew of high school buddies who lifted weights set up by my older brother in the basement of my parent's house in Gaithersburg, MD.

A natural DE, Tom went on to Cornell to play college ball (Ivy League Defensive Player of the Year in 1986,) and later won a spot on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers roster as an undrafted rookie, where he was converted to a guard his second year.

Tom started 30 of his 59 games for the creamsicle Bucs and later played for two seasons with the Iggles and then a brief stint with the Fins, to finish his nine year NFL career.

Tom showed the ten year old Chia how to squat with free weights and how to hit a tennis ball backhanded, which improved my game greatly, although I will always have chicken legs.

The only thing that bugged me about Tom was that he was never a huge Redskins fan, which to this day, I don't get.

Peace out, Thomas, and thank you.


-RIP-

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

That will be my longest post ever and will NEVER happen again.

Sorry!

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Theisman wasn't drafted by the Redskins. He came from the CFL after being drafted by the Dolphins.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Al, Zeke is secretly Fred Davis. Notice the similarity in alarm clock stories.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

cL is secretly anon at 1:47pm. Notice the similarity in their IQ's.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

too young, Chia, too young.

[prays]

Posted by: Dik | May 27, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Larry Lame, loser lunatic extraordinaire, is anon at 1:54. Notice his relentless and ridiculous anti-cL remarks.

Posted by: not chris Larry | May 27, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

One of the strange issues on JC. In his first 7 games in 2006, he fumbled once. Probably his best stat. In 2007, fumbles became an issue.

WCO offense is a much quicker game, with the big arm that Campbell has being less useful. Looking at Campbell, I think he can do a WCO offense because he has made some impressive throws with a 'wrist-flick'. He doesn't need to the long wind up.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

great detective work, not chris Larry. What gave it away, my overwhelming charm or my disdain for cL (F em by the way) and the mentally challenged pig he rode on?

Posted by: Larry Lame | May 27, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I swear I'm not Fred Davis, I was in my room all last night. Besides, at Southern Cal, they had guys call me up to wake me ... didn't need to know how to work an alarm clock. Jeez

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"Tom showed the ten year old Chia how to squat with free weights and how to hit a tennis ball backhanded, which improved my game greatly, although I will always have chicken legs."

Wait, a chia pet with chicken legs? Is that how they grow those family packs of drumsticks? I always thought it was the farm next to the nuclear plant...

Posted by: cload & daggar | May 27, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Can we please leave the poor mentally challenged pig alone? By all means, F chris larry... but leave the pig out of it.

Posted by: Dorf | May 27, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Can we please leave the poor mentally challenged pig alone? By all means, F chris larry... but leave the pig out of it.

Posted by: Dorf | May 27, 2008 2:11 PM

I'm with you, Dorf. But how else is cL going to get here?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Redskins One?

Posted by: Dorf | May 27, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't remember the game, but last season I saw Todd Collins reading patterns and just watching him make the read you could tell he was going to throw a touchdown.

It was just the way he set his feet and took the ball back to throw (it was a long one)...you could see that he was going to throw a strike for 6...his body language said it all. He knew it too.

And he did...

Posted by: Stumped | May 27, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

As a chicken legged Chia pet, I can only have empathy for poor mentally challenged pigs...


but F chRIs Larry!

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

dude, I have a thick skin, keep attacking me, but the pig thing wasn't very funny to begin with and after about the 100th time still isn't funny...

Now Dork he is funny, I will gladly accept his slap down whenever he sees fit.

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

ummm I mean Dorf not Dork...

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

sure you did.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

You should have seen the horror on my face when kids in the 3rd grade finally saw how easily you could change "dorf" into "dork" by taking away the "f" and replacing it with a "k."

Posted by: Dorf | May 27, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey CL,

We both hit post at the exact same time, 2:19, on that last foray.

Whoa!

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

ok ok. you guys win.

F cL and the short bus he rode in on. Just don't forget your helmet and drool cup, cL. You can get hurt on the short bus. The pig was meant to be for your safety.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

My middle name can be messed with in the same way to make a very dirty word.

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Let's play "Guess the Word!"

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

That f and k switching thing can be rough on kids. In my 3rd grade class there was this guy named fufkace. He didn't last long ...

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Mulva?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

sometimes it's better to not have a name. I mean, how bad can no name or anon be?!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Nooooooo.........

NOT Mulva!


Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Bald?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Nooooooo...

Ok, I'm done playing. That was dumb.

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I always loved it when we did the name game and my buddy Chuck got called...

Chuck Chuck bo buck banana fana fo

Posted by: Dorf | May 27, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Deloris!

Posted by: Dik | May 27, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I am proud to ride the short bus! Us special types need friends and compassion too, b/c d-bags like you ridicule them and make their already tough lives worse.

So i'll strap on a hockey helmet, get my leg braces, update my IEP and i'll drive the short bus over your gutless loser azz 7 days a week!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Venus!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

de Milo

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I come here to avoid IEP work. Let's not talk about them either...

and cl, thanks for speaking up for our friends. Some of the coolest and most genuine people fall in that category.

Posted by: Dorf | May 27, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree Dorf.

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

While I like your spirit, cL, you know they won't let you behind the wheel.

I knew it was bad idea to let you off the pig.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Pig thing= even less funny, somehow, than when it was first introduced. And that's saying something. Just one man's opinion.

Dude, if I may offer some advice, just stick with the classic, all-purpose "F Chris Larry." And then get on with whatever you have to add to the conversation.

You do have something to add, right? Yes, I know you do. I believe in you! So bring it already!

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Your women. I want to buy your women. The little girl, your daughters... sell them to me. Sell me your children.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Wrong glass sir......

Posted by: dlhaze | May 27, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

People post EVERYTHING else on here, Nate. So what if some wants to talk about mentally challenged pigs.

???

I agree, wasn't funny then, and that hasn't changed now.

Maybe there is some pissed off blogger cL gave the business to.

Posted by: Red(Gums) | May 27, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I find any post ridiculing cL to be quite funny and relevant. The more pigs and other disgusting mammals, the better.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I hate Illinois Nazis

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

that's when you exchange email addresses and take your grudge to new (and exclusive) levels. CL isn't biting on this taunt. Put it to sleep.

Posted by: Dorf | May 27, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I like pigs, they make great pets. In college dudes would buy vietnamese pot bellied pigs to walk around the quad and try to get laid.

I like ham, bacon, sausage, pulled pork....

A pig is a fine ride, and gets better gas mileage than my current used jalopy...

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I thought personal grudges were welcomed and encouraged here. JLC's personal rants against VC and the boys remain a constant on this blog. I seriously doubt that they have ever reached "new (and exclusive) levels" with the FO through email.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I thought the funniest thing i've read since posting here was the made up email addresses (Which started with Greg and JJ Wilson rifting), and the Todd contractions or whatever they're called.

Not to mention some of the bloggers style up here, which is very funny stuff. I find myself embarassed sometimes because when reading some of the post, I can't help but let out a chuckle, and of course it's heard by co-workers.

Posted by: Red(red fish, blue fish) | May 27, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Not so fast asss jockey

Posted by: Haywood Yablowme | May 27, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"I like ham, bacon, sausage, pulled pork...."

What about scrapple?

Posted by: Amish(Red) | May 27, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins also have Todd Collins waiting in the wings and a win-now mentality from the owner, and it's a subject of much debate as to how much time Campbell will even be given this season to break through. To me you'd think the kid deserves upward of 28- 32 starts before he'd be cast aside

I guess JLC just couldn't go long without some foolishness. Correct me if I am wrong but there hasn't been any word anywhere that JC will be pulled for Collins.

Posted by: jm220 | May 27, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I draw the line at scrapple...

JM220...I think Janso is pretty solid in the pro JC...just spelling out scenarios...and believe me some have suggested pulling JC...some rumors have the genisis of Manboobs split and no HC job as his non-faith in JC...


And I don't believe in grudges.....you scrap, you make up, have a laugh, you scrap again....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

This blog is like birds chirping in a too small cage.

Mindless irrelevant chatter.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh there is no question we will be scrapping in two weeks CL. LOL

Posted by: jm220 | May 27, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Given the potentially complicated situation regarding JC's contract and the CBA, isn't it reassuring to know that we have such outstanding and well-though-of front office minds to make the necessary decisions as Vinnie and the Danny?

We're doomed . . . .

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 27, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

JM220,

I will slap your fool azz with one hand while the other scarfs a cheese steak!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

JM220,

Please dont bring a date to the shabingus, I dont want to have to steal her....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

The banter and the scrapping is always better when you're not bantering and scrapping with an anon.

I waited and waited to finally get to comment "F chrIs laRry" in a proper and justifiable way. It was a real RI milestone.

It's so cheap to just do it gratuitously. Don't you feel dirty, anon?

Posted by: Stumped | May 27, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

CL a 3 year girl hits harder than you.

Posted by: jm220 | May 27, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

This blog is like birds chirping in a too small cage.

Mindless irrelevant chatter.

Posted by: | May 27, 2008 3:14 PM

And, is this something new? Irrelevance is solely based on the individual and what they percieve as relevance.

Posted by: MESSAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | May 27, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The following 'speech' was written recently by an ordinary Maineiac [a resident of the People's Republic of Maine]. While satirical in nature, all satire must have a basis in fact to be effective. This is an excellent piece by a person who does not write for a living.


The speech George W. Bush might give:

Normally, I start these things out by saying 'My Fellow Americans.' Not doing it this time. If the polls are any indication, I don't know who more than half of you are anymore. I do know something terrible has happened, and that you're really not fellow Americans any longer.

I'll cut right to the chase here: I quit. Now before anyone gets all in a lather about me quitting to avoid impeachment, or to avoid prosecution or something, let me assure you: There's been no breaking of laws or impeachable offenses in this office.

The reason I'm quitting is simple. I'm fed up with you people. I'm fed up because you have no understanding of what's really going on in the world. Or of what's going on in this once-great nation of ours. And the majority of you are too darned lazy to do your homework and figure it out.

Let's start locally. You've been sold a bill of goods by politicians and the news media. Polls show that the majority of you think the economy is in the tank. And that's despite record numbers of homeowners, including record numbers of MINORITY homeowners. And while we're mentioning minorities, I'll point out that minority business ownership is at an all-time high. Our unemployment rate is as low as it ever was during the Clinton administration. I've mentioned all those things before, but it doesn't seem to have sunk in.

Despite the shock to our economy of 9/11, the stock market has rebounded to record levels and more Americans than ever are participating in these markets. Meanwhile, all you can do is whine about gas prices, and most of you are too darn stupid to realize that gas prices are high because there's increased demand in other parts of the world, and because a small handful of noisy idiots are more worried about polar bears and beachfront property than your economic security.

We face real threats in the world. Don't give me this 'blood for oil' thing. If I were trading blood for oil I would've already seized Iraq's oil fields and let the rest of the country go to hell. And don't give me this 'Bush Lied; People Died' crap either. If I were the liar you morons take me for, I could've easily had chemical weapons planted in Iraq so they could be 'discovered.' Instead, I owned up to the fact that the intelligence was faulty.

Let me remind you that the rest of the world thought Saddam had the goods, same as me. Let me also remind you that regime change in Iraq was official US policy before I came into office. Some guy named 'Clinton' established that policy. Bet you didn't know that, did you? Now some of you morons are considering another and more evil Clinton for president !!!! Go figure that one!! She wants to take your kids away and let the 'Whole Village' raise them! i.e. governmental indoctrination ... Look this one up you idiots!

The rest of you morons want to be led by a junior senator with no understanding of foreign policy or economics, and this nitwit says we should attack Pakistan, a nuclear ally. And then he wants to go to Iran and make peace with a terrorist who says he's going to destroy us. While he's doing that, he wants to give Iraq to al Qaeda, Afghanistan to the Taliban, Israel to the Palestinians, and your money to the IRS so the government can give welfare to illegal aliens, who he will make into citizens, so they can vote to reelect him. He also thinks it's okay for Iran to have nuclear weapons, and we should stop our foreign aid to Israel. Did you sleep through high school?

You idiots need to understand that we face a unique enemy. Back during the cold war, there were two major competing political and economic models squaring off. We won that war, but we did so because fundamentally, the Communists wanted to survive, just as we do. We were simply able to out-spend and out-tech them.

That's not the case this time. The soldiers of our new enemy don't care if they survive. In fact, they want to die. That'd be fine, as long as they weren't also committed to taking as many of you with them as they can. But they are. They want to kill you, and they are all over the globe.

You should be grateful that they haven't gotten any more of us here in the United States since September 11. But you're not. That's because you've got no idea how hard a small number of intelligence, military, law enforcement, and homeland security people have worked to make sure of that. When this whole mess started, I warned you that this would be a long and difficult fight. I'm disappointed how many of you people think a long and difficult fight amounts to a single season of 'Survivor.'

Instead, you've grown impatient. You're incapable of seeing things through the long lens of history, the way our enemies do. You think that wars should last a few months, a few years, tops.

Making matters worse, you actively support those who help the enemy. Every time you buy the New York Times, every time you send a donation to a cut-and-run Democrat's political campaign, well, dang it, you might just as well FedEx a grenade launcher to a Jihadist. It amounts to the same thing.

In this day and age, it's easy enough to find the truth. It's all over the Internet. It just isn't on the pages of the New York Times, USA Today, or on NBC News. But even if it were, I doubt you'd be any smarter. Most of you would rather watch American Idol or Dancing with Stars.

I could say more about your expectations that the government will always be there to bail you out, even if you're too stupid to leave a city that's below sea level and has a hurricane approaching.

I could say more about your insane belief that government, not your own wallet, is where the money comes from. But I've come to the conclusion that were I to do so, it would sail right over your heads.

So I quit. I'm going back to Crawford. I've got an energy-efficient house down there (Al Gore could only dream) and the capability to be fully self-sufficient for years. No one ever heard of Crawford before I got elected, and as soon as I'm done here pretty much no one will ever hear of it again. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to die of old age before the last pillars of America fall.

Oh, and by the way, Cheney's quitting too. That means Pelosi is your new President. You asked for it. Watch what she does carefully, because I still have a glimmer of hope that there are just enough of you remaining who are smart enough to turn this thing around in 2008.

So that's it. God bless what's left of America.

Some of you know what I mean. The rest of you, kiss off.

PS - You might want to start learning Farsi and buy a Koran.

Posted by: Barno | May 27, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Are we still gonna play poke the Cowboys fan with a stick? Who's bringing the stick?

Posted by: SMACK | May 27, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

You're Welcome.

Posted by: Barno | May 27, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Everyone

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm going to start stirring up trouble now so I can throw down at the shabingus.

jm220, Mr. Snyder looks like he's changing his ways about "win-now" planning. We'd have some old coach with playoff experience now if that were the case.

Posted by: Dorf | May 27, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

That sucked, Barno. That qualified as "poop in the punch bowl."

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

There's a reason why they don't write for a living.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.

Posted by: Satire | May 27, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

sorry, Nate. I should have known that you West Coast liberals (of whom Bush would have been speaking of throughout the speech) would see it that way.

Posted by: Barno | May 27, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

*yawn* @ Barno | May 27, 2008 3:25 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Barno, King of Posting All Email Forwards.!..Barno you got the one about your eBay account being accessed and you need to turn over account info too...

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, folks, not meaning for my last couple of comments to be so b!tchy. I'm like a guy who doesn't want to turn into a werewolf. Have to keep those Deputy Fife instincts in check.

My bad, as they say.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Is that his new nickname? Bush Bush?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

If I was Jason Campbell, I would ______.

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 12:56 PM

crush Barno in a "who's funnier" contest.

Posted by: JC | May 27, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I...

don't...

think...

that was...

sa...tire... ?

Posted by: Dik | May 27, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

*yawn* @ Barno, peroid.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

*yawn* @ Barno, peroid.

Posted by: | May 27, 2008 3:40 PM

Now THAT'S Satire!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

my right big toe hurts.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Barno, you have correctly deduced that I am of a generally liberal political bent AND that I live on the West Coast of these United States. Congrats.

But... so what? Doesn't change the fact that what you posted at 3:25pm amounts to poop in this particular punch bowl.

There are plenty of people who would agree with you politically AND who would understand that posting that comment on this blog is a chooch maneuver.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

++++What's this I read about "let's see how Jason performs when he's not throwing to "smurf" recievers?" WTF?++++

JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN READ DOESN'T MEAN YOU COMPREHEND ANYTHING MORE COMPLEX THAN ONLINE SHORTHAND LIKE "WTF"

Did Santana and Antwan switch to 6 inch spikes after Campbell got hurt and Collins came in?

NOPE. WHAT MOSS DID IS GOT HEALTHY. WHAT THEY BOTH GOT WAS THROWN TO BY A QUARTERBACK WHO'D SPENT TEN YEARS LEARNING THE AL SAUNDERS SYSTEM. NEXT COMMENT...

Or did Mark Brunell have a hard time finding Moss in 06'?

HEY YO! OVAH HEYUH! MARK BRUNELL DEFENDER! MARK HAD ONE GOOD YEAR WITH THE REDSKINS, COINCIDENTALLY WITH A HEALTHY MOSS--NOT BAD FOR A FORMER ALL PRO QB WITH MORE THAN A DECADE IN THE LEAGUE. NEXT COMMENT.

I'm beginning to become a hater of not JC but of the ignorance shown in his excuse makers on this blog! :)

TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE.

Do you guys work for Snyder?

NOPE. WE JUST DO OUR HOMEWORK.

YOU THINK YOU CAN JUDGE THE SKILL OF A YOUNG QB AFTER A SEASON OF THROWING TO AN INJURED MOSS, A SPECIAL TEAMER LIKE THRASH, ANCIENT WARRIERS LIKE MCCARDELL AND GUYS NAMED RECHE? ALSO QB'S WORK BETTER WITHOUT THIRD STRING TACKLES AND GUARDS BLOCKING FOR THEM. IT HELPS TO HAVE A BELIEVABLE RUNNING GAME, TOO.

BUT IF CAMPBELL DOES NOTHING THIS YEAR, THE REST OF US CAN MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT HE'S THE ANSWER.

DOES HE HAVE NO SKILLS? WELL IF PEOPLE LIKE GIBBS AND ZORN ARE LESS KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN YOU, LET'S TOSS HIM UNDER THE BUS RIGHT NOW.

Posted by: Corkczar | May 27, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

If I was Jason Campbell, I would ______.

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 27, 2008 12:56 PM

crush Barno in a "who's funnier" contest.

Posted by: JC | May 27, 2008 3:39 PM

I have NEVER presented myself as someone who was funny. I just try to inform the masses so this world will be a better place.

Do as you wish with the valuable wisdom I have to offer.

Posted by: Barno | May 27, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Trust Barno to clutter up a sport blog with a bunch of claptrap like that. NO WAY Dubya says anything as coherent as that, not even with Dick's hand working him from the back, same as always.

Ever met Dubya, Barno? A nice guy; genial, probably good to drink a beer with at a bar (although he doesn't drink now I know) but I don't think you'd trust him to operate your drill let alone run the country!

Posted by: unregistered | May 27, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Chia Pet's middle name is Fuffer.

Also, re: the pig, you talk about it like its a bad thing.

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

More humorous, Jason Campbell or Tim Duncan?

Posted by: ? | May 27, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Insecurity may cause compensatory behaviors such as arrogance, aggression, or bullying, a principle enshrined in the phrase "all bullies are cowards."

Posted by: barno defines insecurity | May 27, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

From The Simpsons episode, "Lisa The Vegetarian" ...

Homer: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Lisa, honey, are saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon?

Lisa: No.

Homer: Ham?

Lisa: No.

Homer: Pork chops?

Lisa: Dad! Those all come from the same animal!

Homer: [Chuckles] Yeah, right Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"Trust Barno to clutter up a sport blog with a bunch of claptrap like that"

You consider this a sports blog?!?!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Inform away Barno. "Rage against the "Dying of the Light" all you want, but the light IS dying for your party anyway.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 27, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

If I were arrogant, I would not be trying to impart my wisdom on these forsaken bloggers, who are far more aggressive and bullyish than I.

Posted by: Barno | May 27, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

At least Barno signs his posts and is consistent, you have to give him points for that much.

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Just in case anyone out there was wonderin' ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/webcams/snowcam.htm

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Agreed cL, I think he gets at least 5.5 RI points for that.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 27, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

CL - don't you mean Barno signs the posts from some douche in Maine?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Inform away Barno. "Rage against the "Dying of the Light" all you want, but the light IS dying for your party anyway.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 27, 2008 3:47 PM

Redcoat, thanks for the permission. Lots of things are dying in this country (values, truth, ethics, standards, decency, etc.) but I refuse to just watch it happen. There is no shame in being a voice crying in the wilderness.

Posted by: Barno | May 27, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Cool Sween! Presumably that means the owner of said 'cam wasn't eliminated in the most recent WaPo purges. Or maybe they get to keep the 'cam as part of their severance?

Posted by: Redcoat | May 27, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I can find the sageness in post like...

"my right big toe hurts."

than ANYTHING posted by barno.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I can find the sageness in post like...
"my right big toe hurts."
than ANYTHING posted by barno.
Posted by: | May 27, 2008 3:53 PM

How do you know that wasn't Barno?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Sween,

Thanks for the quote... also, don't forget about Homer and Marge in the garden of Eden. The English-accented pig with the top hat and monocle laying down next to Homer so he could take slabs of bacon off of his sides.

Excellent!

Posted by: Dorf | May 27, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I can find the sageness in post like...

"my right big toe hurts."

than ANYTHING posted by barno.

Posted by: | May 27, 2008 3:53 PM

I am ok with that. My expectations for you are fairly low.

Posted by: Barno | May 27, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

So all those snow counts were padded? There must be over an inch of mulch at the base of the snow measurement device!


For shame, snowcam. I believed in you. I trusted you.


-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

... you have to give him points for that much.

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 3:49 PM

Which reminds me ... I just got an oversized package delivered to my office ... the only return address is "(Boston)" ... and the thing is FULL of bonus points ... anybody know where I can get redeem these things?

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Sween -- no snow here in CA ... just picked another quart of cherries off my tree :)

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Agreed -- 1 TCCL for signing your name to your comments up here.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Agreed -- 1 TCCL for signing your name to your comments up here.

-Nate in the PDX


Or A Name

Posted by: A Name | May 27, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Sween, bonus points can be redeemed at participating locations all across America and around the world on the world wide web.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I can agree with the '(values, truth, ethics, standards, decency)' bit in general terms Barno, that is a challenge faced in many parts of the world.

But, if you really believe that, here isn't the place to start, is it? Unless you have a strongly masochistic streak! I can't see that a blog is a place to try to change anyone's way of thinking; too confrontational due to the relative anonymity of the environment, and the fact that most use them to talk, far fewer to actually listen.

Get yourself active in your local/National political scene and get your message out that way. If you're already active, keep plugging away.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 27, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

If I were arrogant, I would not be trying to impart my wisdom on these forsaken bloggers...

Posted by: Barno | May 27, 2008 3:49 PM

It's almost like the Barno is trying to poke fun at itself, like such as, but isn't able to. Or it's such a blinded ideologue that it can't see thru it's own ideology, which is to be expected from one on the extreme right (or left for that mater).

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | May 27, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

without registration, your name means absolutely nothing. By posting anonymously, at least noone can go back and post bogus posts using your name.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Google Search Results: 1 - 10 of about 136,000 for redskin insider bonus points. (0.27 seconds)

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

If anyone cares, here is where Barno got his "Wisdom" including the intro he lifted from the original blog:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=16d_1186081635

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I know that there aren't any OTAs until June (two weeks ... ish?), so what do players do nowadays? Can they go on vacation? Also, are they allowed to take their playbooks home? or is that trade secret stuff? ... kind of like the reference section in the library (my favorite part of the library growing up ... mostly BECAUSE you couldn't take it home).

Also, I forgot, what do they call Cooley now that he's married? MISTER Cooley? [I understand the father of his new missus is out from West Virginia way ... I'm guessing around there, when someone like Cooley comes around with his extra-county DNA, they call him "stranger" or "not kin" or something like that.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Barno, Barno, Barno - I'd hate to bully you or act aggressive in any way. Please feel free to post your thoughts on "The Fix" blog on the WAPO site, and I'd be glad to gently advise you of where your wisdom is, in fact, misguided.

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 27, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I can agree with the '(values, truth, ethics, standards, decency)' bit in general terms Barno, that is a challenge faced in many parts of the world.

But, if you really believe that, here isn't the place to start, is it? Unless you have a strongly masochistic streak! I can't see that a blog is a place to try to change anyone's way of thinking; too confrontational due to the relative anonymity of the environment, and the fact that most use them to talk, far fewer to actually listen.

Get yourself active in your local/National political scene and get your message out that way. If you're already active, keep plugging away.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 27, 2008 3:59 PM

Thanks again for the constructive advice. I assure you that this isn't the place that I start. However, being a Redskin fan, this is a place that I frequent. And I feel even you guys have a right to hear the truth.

Posted by: Barno | May 27, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Guys, my home was broken into this weekend. The good news, they only stole my "bonus points"....

There was also pig tracks all over the house.....hmmmmmmmm

Posted by: Greg | May 27, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

cL...in fact, I got it from an email (not from the site that you linked) and I in no way, represented it as something original.

Posted by: Barno | May 27, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

So you are the King of All Email Forwards....what an honor! You did represent the lead as original, which it was not....

Don't you feel a bit weird posting email forwards, which are dubious and spam, no matter what the viewpoint? What's next chain letters?

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Somebody wound as tight as the Barno must be the hemmy/hammy suffering blog person from long ago.

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | May 27, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

IBS = Irritable Barno Syndrome

ITS = Ignore The Spam

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | May 27, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Guys I just got this in my inbox, I think it would benefit all of you and b/c we are all skins fans I must share it with you. I am only here to serve!:

Upsize your manhood today!

The latest medical breakthrough for male enlargement is now finally available to the public: MAXGAIN+

This latest formula was produced in FDA approved laboratories, and proven to work in a randomized trial study conducted with 5000 men in the United States.

The effects of this breakthrough formula included:

- Gains of up to 4 massive inches to your manhood

- All gains were permanent

- Increase volume of ejaculate

- Stronger, rock hard erections that could be sustained for hours on end

- Only herbal and natural ingredients used

Currently approved for trial consumption to the public on a limited basis - get your bottles of Maxgain+ today before it's too late!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

So you are the King of All Email Forwards....what an honor! You did represent the lead as original, which it was not....

Don't you feel a bit weird posting email forwards, which are dubious and spam, no matter what the viewpoint? What's next chain letters?

Posted by: chris Larry | May 27, 2008 4:08 PM

Nope, just the King of Relevant Email Forwards. If it is useful information, I don't feel bad forwarding messages on napkins to be quite honest.

Posted by: Barno | May 27, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Dammitt cL, you've given away my secret!

Posted by: Peter North | May 27, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

cL...it is quite obvious the difference in what we both find as being important. No surprises here.

Posted by: Barno | May 27, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Barno! Come down and hang with me in Crawford any time! I knew someone was getting it!

Posted by: George W Bush | May 27, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"This latest formula was produced in FDA approved laboratories, and proven to work in a randomized trial study conducted with 5000 men in the United States."

My understanding is that, during the randomized trial study, Maxgain+ was called "Zima."

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

DC, those are OBVIOUSLY my bonus points. Please return that package to me.
Thank you.

Posted by: Greg | May 27, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I believe that package also has the guide to all establishments where bonus points are accepted.

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 27, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

What time is it?

Posted by: Fred Davis | May 27, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Erasmus James is a Redskin!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

All are welcome to turn in your bonus points to receive free advice from me in 30 minute increments.

Posted by: Barno | May 27, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Greg, after AL/Zeke/zcezcest tipped me off about the www possibilities, and then cL pointed out the stuff about shoe lifts (that's what "manhood" refers to, right? its about height, right?), I spent all the bonus points on Maxgain+ ...

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

So you spend ALL of my bonus points?

This is just GREAT!!!!

So help me, if I'm stuck with this parrot, and this stupid eye patch, I'm gonna be pissed...

Posted by: Greg | May 27, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Greg, its not like it did me much good ... all I got was this 'increased volume' of ... increments.

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

... and additional bonus points.

So ... I guess I'll just put them back in this package and mail them to "(Boston)" then.

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Thank you.

Receiving stolen property is a crime.

Posted by: Greg | May 27, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Parrot, Eyepatch ... ? You must be a Raider Insider ...

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 27, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Kind of surprising the Vikings took so long to cut this guy ... from his stats, he sounds like his vet minimum salary would be higher than anyone could afford (give or take a few million in bonus points).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Anon @ 4:20pm

I heard the same thing about Erasmus James on the John Riggins Show...

Apparently we gave up a conditional 7th rd pick for him. If he doesn't make the team, then we don't lose the pick.

Posted by: EinVB | May 27, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Anon @ 4:20pm

I heard the same thing about Erasmus James on the John Riggins Show...

Apparently we gave up a conditional 7th rd pick for him. If he doesn't make the team, then we don't lose the pick.

Posted by: EinVB | May 27, 2008 4:30 PM

Dude...the man was cut.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Yah, thats what i thought...

I'm not sure why or how we give up a conditional pick for a UFA?

Posted by: EinVB | May 27, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Seems like just another DE who's going to spend all day playing SuDoKu ...

http://teachers.henrico.k12.va.us/freeman/peck_r/ap/erasmus.jpg

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Can someone post a linky thingy, or something??

I'll chip in any bonus points that are unused currently to bring James on board.

Posted by: Greg | May 27, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Greg, sorry about that, I forgot ... I was just linking to the wikipedias about this fellow, Eramus. I'll give you a flavor, but its not really worth the entire link text:

Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus (sometimes known as Desiderius Erasmus of Rotterdam) (October 27, 1466/1469 - July 12, 1536) was a Dutch humanist and theologian. His scholarly name Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus comprises the following three elements: the Latin noun desiderium ("longing" or "desire"; the name being a genuine Late Latin name); the Greek adjective εράσμιος (erasmios) meaning "beloved", and, in the form Erasmus, also the name of a saint; and the Latinized adjectival form for the city of Rotterdam (Roterodamus = "of Rotterdam"). He was known primarily for his hilarious hat.

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Getting away from George W. Failure's latest incompetencies (which has always been one nice thing about RI until today), I think Zorn has set out to work with Campbell to speed up the release on his throw.

One of the first things Zorn mentioned publicly was some technique changes on JC's stance and timing. Since Seattle scouted JC a few times on their way to beating the Skins in the playoffs, Zorn's insight should prove valuable. As a former NFL QB himself, Zorn might just be the perfect guy to bring Campbell up to NFL speed. That appears to be his priority, so I look forward to seeing the results!

Posted by: Alan | May 27, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

For years, I was known for my hilarious hat as well. I quit wearing it in 2003, so now I am known for my big nose.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

the vikings retracted the cut. apparently they are allowed to do so.

giving up a conditional 7th rounder allows the skins to get him without worrying that one of the 20 teams ahead of us on the waiver wire would take him.

if he makes the roster, we give up a 7th round pick... a pick that essentially has no value whatsoever. if he doesnt make the roster, we can throw away our 7th rounder on a player who probably wont make the team next year. its a win-win situation

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 27, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey - don't pigeonhole me. If I remember correctly (and I probably don't) congress had to approve the war. It wasn't an executive order, was it? And after that, they had to approve expenditures...

So these are the lunkheads we elected. I still believe the skulls were trying to secure the holy land for the second coming.

Regardless of the reason, however, for people to believe this would be anything less than a 10 year venture is foolish.

Posted by: Dik | May 27, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

" ... His scholarly name Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus ..."

This is code ... it means he was a roterosexual (not that there's anything WRONG with that).

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

ok ok... i'll stop. lol

Posted by: Dik | May 27, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

So how many bonus points did this James cat cost me?

Posted by: Greg | May 27, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

beep beep.....Erasmus

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

" ... for people to believe this would be anything less than a 10 year venture is foolish."

Posted by: Dik | May 27, 2008 4:42 PM

Foolishness: "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is."

Beyond foolishness: "It depends on what the meaning of "Mission Accomplished" is."

Posted by: dcsween | May 27, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The Skins players should be salivating over the thought of (re-)signing during an uncapped year. It's the owners -- except for Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones -- that want a hard salary cap.

Campbell should excel in the new passing offense. I wouldn't start Collins over him unless he was injured again and I highly doubt he will still be the backup QB (in 2011) at 40 yrs old.

Was I the only person who saw the effectiveness of the 4 WR passing sets during the last couple of games against NFC East defenses? JLC should ask Gibbs and Sanders why the offense was so limited earlier in the season. Yes, it was obvious that Sanders trusted Collins because he knew the offense better. If given the chance -- I bet Campbell could also have run those formations and made the quick slant throws. But this year, all the QBs are learning the offense at the same rate.

Posted by: Siris | May 27, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I've been saying get rid of jason as our starter.he crack's under pressure and make to many mistake's when the game is on the line.great guy but not a franchise Q.B. i hear brady Quinn want's out of Cl.he is in the top five in jersey sale's and only played about five snap's in the regular season.make a trade for him he has that swagger of a starting nfl Q.B. something i have'nt seen in jason.

Posted by: D.C. | May 27, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes - its your ma

Posted by: Your Ma | May 28, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

it's funny how some of you think brennan is a joke...i think he will take over the starting job in a few years and take washington to their best seasons.

Posted by: redskin | May 29, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Well...the guy's played 20 games and, frankly, ran into some horrid luck. He, his line, and his receivers/backs all being healthy at the same time simply hasn't happened yet. Guys forget that we played almost all of last season with 3 of our original starting 5 O-Linemen. We've seen what Moss can do when he's healthy (case in point, '05 season). With the new additions, we may be a little bit raw at receiver, but we've got more physical talent than we've had in years.

That said, if you go back and look at the numbers, JC put up better stats than the almighty Vince Young last year.

JC's issue is confidence. The other young QBs that are doing well in the league - Roethlisberger, Rivers, guys like that...they believe that they can not only start in this league, but that they can put up good numbers.

Even though a lot of the things that have happened with JC - instability in the coaching systems, injuries to guys around him - aren't his fault, he has yet to really believe in himself. The fact is, the Gibbs staff, in many ways, procrastinated. I understand you don't want to bring a guy on too quick ala David Carr, but a guy can't be the 'quarterback of the future' until he's thirty. Sooner or later, the 'quarterback of the future' just has to get a shot to be 'the quarterback'.

Yes, TC did well - that's why he's still with the team. If he had imploded and led us to a 4-game losing streak, I guarantee you that he wouldn't still be here and we would have been needing two quarterbacks instead of one.

My point is, because of Gibbs holding JC off the field, no one's yet given the guy the signal that says, "The team is yours to lose."

The fact is, some guys take a little time. Giants fans were ready to throw Eli into the grinder before last season started, and he'd been there 4 or 5 years already. I bet that, if you go and talk to most of them, they're glad that they didn't switch quarterbacks.

Besides...our quarterback situation could be worse. We could always be...say...Chicago. :P

Posted by: A Redskins fan | May 29, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

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