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Campbell Perfect in the Shotgun

Jason Campbell and the move to more shotgun formations was a hot topic last week, and JC has made it clear he loves operating deeper in the backfield. I thought it was a smart move by Jim Zorn to let JC go gun more often, though I wasn't sure that that would make much of a difference. After crunching the numbers from Sunday's game, I say let the kid do what he wants. He must be on to something here.

In the first quarter the Skins attempted four passes in the gun and JC completed them all for 48 yards. Each completion netted at least 11 yards. Pretty impressive. The Skins did not go to the gun in the second quarter - again, it's not something you can do all the time if you are as dedicated to establishing the run as the Skins were yesterday - but it's certainly a dangerous weapon.

Campbell completed one checkdown to Clinton Portis in the gun in the third quarter, going for a one-yard loss, and in the fourth quarter he completed his only attempt in the gun, to Antwaan Randle El for 11 yards. So overall he's 6-for-6 for 58 yards, with five completions going for 11 yards or more. Twice they completed third-and-long in the gun (a 3rd-and-8 and a 3rd-and-10 in the first quarter), and five of the six passes produced first downs overall.

Campbell was judicious in his use of the gun and after showing it a lot in the first quarter, and having success with it, the Skins backed off for the duration of the game. Smart stuff all around.

By Jason La Canfora  |  September 15, 2008; 11:37 AM ET
 
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Posted by: doug | September 15, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

shotgun panties!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

just askin'

Posted by: Where are the JlaC haters? | September 15, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Still just askin'.

Posted by: Where is sports-guru? | September 15, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

JC's going to need that shotgun against the NFC east, who love to blitz

Posted by: joeblazin | September 15, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if any NFL Exec's will be giving Jla the lowdown this week? Or is that only when they lose he does that?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow even JLa is drinking his koolaide this week.

Posted by: Skinz | September 15, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

JC has made it clear he loves operating deeper in the backfield.

By Jason La Canfora | September 15, 2008; 11:37 AM ET


That's what she said.

Posted by: Michael Scott | September 15, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Still just askin'.

Posted by: Where is sports-guru? | September 15, 2008 12:26 PM

Still eating me.

Posted by: Crow | September 15, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Should read:

As for being negative on JC well the facts be the facts, his winning % is below .500 on a team that over the same period is well above .500 without him in.

Posted by: Skinz | September 15, 2008 12:15 PM

Really?

In the years that JC has started, his record is 9-13.

When he didn't start, the team is 6-7 (including playoffs).

Neither are above .500. Let the facts be the facts.

Posted by: psps23 | September 15, 2008 12:27 PM

Posted by: psps23 | September 15, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

continued from previous thread:

Take a week off, Campbell critics. He'll have his off weeks. I'm not convinced he's the absolute answer, either. But he had a helluva game, yesterday, made great strides, and deserves credit.

Posted by: Corkczar

He had a good game, just wish in the first half, he would have finished drives with TD's & not miss WR's or TE's. It was great seeing improvement, but it came against a depleted secondary. JC is still saddled with a below average O-line and only one good WR= Moss, and two below avg. Tough sledding with that, as CP pointed out, but he should have kept his mouth closed in public.


Posted by: lsskinsfan

Posted by: lsskinsfan | September 15, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Skinz: I thought Campbell went to Auburn not Fl State

Posted by: mad dog | September 15, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

'I thought it was a smart move by Jim Zorn to let JC go gun more often'

'Each completion netted at least 11 yards. Pretty impressive.'

'Campbell was judicious in his use of the gun and after showing it a lot in the first quarter, and having success with it, the Skins backed off for the duration of the game. Smart stuff all around.'


JLC clearly has an axe to grind with the Redskins by writing this bunk.


Posted by: Fill for the JLaC haters | September 15, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Now living out here in SF since the early days of Bill Walsh, I've seen a lot of WCO.

That folks, didn't look like a WCO. That was a game where Jim Zorn looked at his talent and adapted his offense to his talent.

That is what all great coaches do. Not
ready to say Zorn is great, but that was very smart and accomplished quickly.

Even when the Skins were down by 9 going into the 4th, this team looked competitive, motivated and professional. With or without the win, this game was a huge step.

Then to come back and win, its a very very big step.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

'Campbell completed one checkdown to Clinton Portis in the gun in the third quarter, going for a one-yard loss'

Posted by: See, JlaC really hates the Redskins | September 15, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if any NFL Exec's will be giving Jla the lowdown this week? Or is that only when they lose he does that?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:26 PM

Ahh yes. When the skins win, JLC offers his own personal glowing praise. When the skins lose, he gets an NFL source to provide credible criticism. Yet somehow to everyone here, he's the one who hates the Redskins.

Let's see how someone can spin his next post.

Posted by: psps23 | September 15, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the entire draft class was inactive for the game...

Posted by: Jla | September 15, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Wow...Jim Zorn just now in his presser refering to Durant Brooks....

++Yeah, he had a couple bad plays. On both punts and then the hold on the FG.++


Hmmm...that pretty makes up his whole day...punting and holding on Field Goals.

Posted by: cej75024 | September 15, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Zorn also regarding ARE returning punts...

" Ya know, Antwan Randel El is no schmuck."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

JC's going to need that shotgun against the NFC east, who love to blitz

Posted by: joeblazin | September 15, 2008 12:26 PM

Agreed. As long as he continues to step up in the pocket, he'll be fine.

The Skins just got off to a bad start in NY; how they start doesn't say much to me, it's how they finish. We won't really know this team until December.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 15, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cindy | September 15, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I have a, question. What does everyone think; about keeping Betts, and, Portis, in the ba-ck-fie-ld together some more this, year!

I, think' it could, work?

Posted by: Grammar Man | September 15, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Lanchumpfora waffles more than Obama and Kerry

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Shotgun, gee who was yelling for it all last week, I was, was TE also? I think he was too. A few others.

Jimmy, please send us the letter on getting a coaching job/ film analysis job via the Washington Post, whenever you get the time.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Zorn regarding Horton vs. Doughty....


" Horton made plays and helped us ....but...Doughty is a guy that can get players lined up."

Huh??? 2 picks and a fum rec. versus a guy that can "line guys up" the right way

Posted by: cej75024 | September 15, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the entire draft class was inactive for the game...

Posted by: Jla | September 15, 2008 12:37 PM

Hope you meant to say 'active' instead of 'inactive'. The player of the game was our 7th rounder!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 15, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the entire draft class was inactive for the game...

Posted by: Jla | September 15, 2008 12:37 PM

Hope you meant to say 'active' instead of 'inactive'. The player of the game was our 7th rounder!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 15, 2008 12:44 PM

Brown,

Do not even waste your time with these a$$hats

Posted by: Flounder | September 15, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

either way he's wrong....chad r was inactive Sunday

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

... That folks, didn't look like a WCO. That was a game where Jim Zorn looked at his talent and adapted his offense to his talent. ...

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 12:36 PM

That's why it is appropriately called the Chesapeake Coast Offense. Its Zornball.

Also, there was one corner blitz by the Saints that looked like Jason recognized it coming. The one thing I didn't know was whether he (Jason) is allowed to audible from behind the center to the shotgun. Seems like it would have been a good idea at that point.

Posted by: dcsween | September 15, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Dumb-Dumb, the only reason Horton got those INTs is because Smoot and Evans deflected the balls and made killer plays. He was in the right place at the right time. You don't bench your starter for a rookie 7th round pick just because he was in the right place at the right time.

Huh??? 2 picks and a fum rec. versus a guy that can "line guys up" the right way

Posted by: cej75024 | September 15, 2008 12:44 PM

Posted by: Pretzel Boy | September 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Okay how about a group of 3 Safety sets like this? Call it a 3-3-3 package.


--
C S

E O
T M F
E I

C S

--

C S

E O
T
T F
E I

C S

--

C
C S

E
T M
T F
E

C S

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I guess only package 1 is a 3-3-3, package 2 is, 4-2-3, package 3, 4-1-3

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I thought the bomb to Moss was from the shotgun? Maybe I am mistaken...

Posted by: Matt | September 15, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Zorn regarding Horton vs. Doughty....


" Horton made plays and helped us ....but...Doughty is a guy that can get players lined up."

Huh??? 2 picks and a fum rec. versus a guy that can "line guys up" the right way

Posted by: cej75024 | September 15, 2008 12:44 PM

cej,

What should he have said Doughty sucks and Horton is the new starter, although I think that should be the case, a coach is not going to say that.

I am sure the starting saftey will be Blache's desicion, lets hope he gives Horton the shot.

Posted by: Flounder | September 15, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Dumb-Dumb, the only reason Horton got those INTs is because Smoot and Evans deflected the balls and made killer plays. He was in the right place at the right time. You don't bench your starter for a rookie 7th round pick just because he was in the right place at the right time.

Huh??? 2 picks and a fum rec. versus a guy that can "line guys up" the right way

Posted by: cej75024 | September 15, 2008 12:44 PM

Posted by: Pretzel Boy | September 15, 2008 12:49 PM

Pretzel,

Your starting Saftey would never have made those interceptions because he would not have been flying to the ball. So yes you do replace Doughty with Horton because he is more active and is a better tackler.

Posted by: Flounder | September 15, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I think Horton will continue to get more playing time and eventually be the starter. Took ST 6 weeks to get to the field didn't it?

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Dumb-Dumb, the only reason Horton got those INTs is because Smoot and Evans deflected the balls and made killer plays. He was in the right place at the right time. You don't bench your starter for a rookie 7th round pick just because he was in the right place at the right time.

Huh??? 2 picks and a fum rec. versus a guy that can "line guys up" the right way

Posted by: cej75024 | September 15, 2008 12:44 PM

Posted by: Pretzel Boy | September 15, 2008 12:49 PM

ummm...isn't a good thing to be in the right place at the right time? That has never been Doughty's problem. It's executing that matters. Being in the right place at the right time but failing to execute (i.e. make a tackle, pick up a loose ball, hold onto a tipped pass, etc) where Doughty has struggled. That was where Horton was a difference maker.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

the only reason Horton got those INTs is because Smoot and Evans deflected the balls and made killer plays. He was in the right place at the right time. You don't bench your starter for a rookie 7th round pick just because he was in the right place at the right time.

Huh??? 2 picks and a fum rec. versus a guy that can "line guys up" the right way

Posted by: cej75024 | September 15, 2008 12:44 PM

Posted by: Pretzel Boy | September 15, 2008 12:49 PM

Holding onto the ball counts for nothing? I keep thinking of Carlos Rodgers who is often in the right place at the right time but doesn't have many interceptions to show for it.

Look, these guys practice every day and play only once a week. Coaches know when Horton's ready to replace Doughty. I trust 'em more than I trust any of us experts up here, and I'm a talent evaluator.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

++Dumb-Dumb

Posted by: Pretzel Boy | September 15, 2008 12:49 PM++


Your screen name is Pretzel Boy...and I'M the dumb dumb??


Regarding the Horton/Doughty issue. My intention was to state that is is nice to see Horton by in the right place, and be in position to make plays. I'm not saying he is Ronnie Lott, but he seems to be around the ball....even in preseason. ...dumb dumb

Posted by: cej75024 | September 15, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Was it only me or did Smoot give a 15 yard cushin on every play, even on third and short he was way off. If he is not ready to play get him out of there.

Posted by: Flounder | September 15, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

te, agreed...I don't coach ANYTHING, let alone at the NFL level. I'll leave this decision to Greg Blache who has 20 plus years of experience to fall back on...

Posted by: Greg | September 15, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Was it only me or did Smoot give a 15 yard cushin on every play, even on third and short he was way off. If he is not ready to play get him out of there.

Posted by: Flounder | September 15, 2008 12:57 PM

Who knows if he is doing it on his own. I think he does it because he is told to.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

I would agree with you if I had not seen the other CB playing press coverage, just think Smoot is still injured and was afraid of getting beat deep.

Posted by: Flounder | September 15, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

te, agreed...I don't coach ANYTHING, let alone at the NFL level. I'll leave this decision to Greg Blache who has 20 plus years of experience to fall back on...

Posted by: Greg | September 15, 2008 12:58 PM

I don't know Greg, the self proclaimed sportsguru seems to have it all figured out.

Posted by: Come get your whuppin' SportsGuru | September 15, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

well I admit I only have seen the highlights due to the family issues that day. If that's the case it is interesting. Maybe thats what JZ means by getting players in position as RD's job.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

It sucks when you listen to the Jim Zorn press conference but cannot hear the questions asked, just Zorn's replies. They need to fix that so you can hear the questions.

Posted by: wstclair | September 15, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't know Greg, the self proclaimed sportsguru seems to have it all figured out.

Posted by: Come get your whuppin' SportsGuru | September 15, 2008 1:02 PM

Oh, oh, can I help with the whuppin. I may be small but can always kick a guy when he is down.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The Pats ran the shotgun an NFL record 74% of passing plays last year. And they ran it over 50% of all their offensive formations.

http://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/sep/14/legwold-shotgun-firing-in-shootout-win/

With the right personelle, it can produce :-) It would be nice to see some kind of West Coast/Shotgun hybrid that would allow for a good running game and the long downfield passing game to help Jason's strengths (kind of like an Al Saunder's offense)

Why can't we get co-ordinators like that?

Posted by: Bruce | September 15, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

It sucks when you listen to the Jim Zorn press conference but cannot hear the questions asked, just Zorn's replies. They need to fix that so you can hear the questions.

Posted by: wstclair | September 15, 2008 1:03 PM

It's part of the teams anti-JLC bias. Want to keep him from sounding smart.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

I would agree with you if I had not seen the other CB playing press coverage, just think Smoot is still injured and was afraid of getting beat deep.

Posted by: Flounder | September 15, 2008 1:00 PM

It worked, didn't it? Smoot wasn't really beaten all game, and he caused the 1st INT. 1 passing TD given up in 2 games, Smoot and the rest of the secondary know what they are doing.

Posted by: psps23 | September 15, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

psps,

You are correct he did not get beat deep, but he gave up two easy first down catches were the reciever was not even challenged.

Posted by: Flounder | September 15, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I know we are all used to seeing it, but does anyone realize Chris Cooley broke 4 tackles in one play, three of which while basically standing still with no momentum?

Posted by: PLeepLeus | September 15, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Just like the burden that Rogers' will bear for his entire career is his ability to hang onto the pick, Doughty's will be finishing his tackles.

I don't know whether what Zorn was saying was that every player has strengths and weaknesses ... or that he was just being a players' coach, not bad-mouthing a player out with the flu, maybe talking up a new position description, a la "personal punt protector." By repeating those words, I would never ever mean to suggest that Doughty is anything close to as "off" as Archuleta, but I do think Doughty has a problem finishing his tackles.

I haven't seen enough of Chris Horton to know what his weakness(es) is (are) ... and that, to me, seems like a benefit ... because it means that game planning offenses maybe don't either.

On that point, notwithstanding his outstanding performance in Week One, I think the Skins picked on Saints' rookie CB Tracy Porter. Maybe they found his weakness(es) ... or tried to force the ball at him to expose it (or them).

Posted by: dcsween | September 15, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Thats where a 3rd Safety would help Fred. If they had an extra guy who could play deep on known passing downs, its money.

Trust in the Alex Zeese revolutionary 3 Safety Sets

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

I would agree with you if I had not seen the other CB playing press coverage, just think Smoot is still injured and was afraid of getting beat deep.

Posted by: Flounder | September 15, 2008 1:00 PM

Just because one corner plays press doesn't mean the other is supposed to do the same. It's all about the scheme of the zone. Sometimes, you even try to "funnel" the throw to a specific reciever because you know you're in position to make the tackle. My understanding is that, at the pro level, corners aren't usually given the discretion whether to press or not. How muck cushion you give is a part of the game plan put together during the week. Didn't Smoot pop the first interception into the air by breaking on the ball?

Posted by: Mike H. | September 15, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Couple small things I noticed.

Malcolm Kelly caught 1 pass for 6 yards. I really liked everything about that catch. Not to go overboard over 1 play, but he looked like a classic possession WR. Very encouraging.

8 quarters and ZERO offensive turnovers. Zero turnovers will keep you in pretty much any game.

Jeremy Shockey was a great player, briefly. Briefly was a long time ago.

Norv has now lost two games in the final minute. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Even though he was totally ripped off by the refs on this one.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Alex, as the other guy who spoke up about Campbell in shotgun before the WaPo wrote it up ... YUP.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Well it doesn't matter what JC did in the Shotgun because Colt Brennan can walk on water. Colt Brennan parted the Red Sea. Colt Brennan created the Earth in 7 days. No matter what JC does all I care about is obsessing over a QB who has done nothing but complete throws against CFL and Arena League players in Preseason. Come on everybody be like me and the rest of the moronic COCers.

Posted by: COCer | September 15, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze,
I took the stats from NFL.com, and no you can't get them for 46+. But you want Akers? He's not as good beyond 40 as Suisham. He's only 66%. Where Akers beats Suisham is 30-39 -- Akers is 90% in that range.
Posted by: talent evaluator | September 15, 2008 12:18 PM

I can't beleive I took the time to research this, but of Suisham's numbers from 40-49 he is 11/16 which equates to 69%. Of this, his numbers from 40-45yds are 6/7 (86%).....quite good. But the drop off happens in the 46-49 yard range, where he is 5/9, for only 55%. I don't have the time/resources to compare this to anyone else in the league, so I don't know where this ranks, but I just want to correct myself from what I said earlier.....I do not have much confidence in Suisham outside of 45 yards, and I hope he can improve on this. I'm not saying Suisham is bad, my point was that it's tough to think that if we need a 48 yarder to win the game, it's about a 50/50 shot......

Posted by: dlhaze | September 15, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. campbell,

Congratulations on your work with the Shotgun. As I all too well know, the Shotgun is not for everyone and in the wrong hands can cause more damage to you and your people than to anyone else.

Keep up the good work.

Sincerely,


Posted by: Dick Cheney | September 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze,

Agree with you, but I'm just pointing out, in fairness, that he really only missed one kick yesterday. The other was a bad hold.

They need to let Todd Collins hold (I'm sure he's done it before as a career backup) and allow Brooks to focus on punting.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 15, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Lots and Lots of pluses:

Campbell's first comeback W
Zorn looked like he belonged as a HC
Defense got 3 turnovers
Offense made zero turnovers
Interior pass rush showed up
This looked like a professional, competitive team
etc
etc


Minuses
Durant Brooks
ARE as a punt returner, we don't have enough WRs as is
Red zone defense, when NO got close, they usually got 6, not 3
Red zone offense bogged down leading to 5 FG attempts


#1 Caution:
Saints were pretty beat up coming into this game, its not clear how good the team we beat really was on Sunday.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying Suisham is bad, my point was that it's tough to think that if we need a 48 yarder to win the game, it's about a 50/50 shot......

Posted by: dlhaze | September 15, 2008 1:14 PM

Man, I can't believe you took the time to do that. But in the end the question is whether there's another kicker out there who will give you better odds. I'm not suggesting you should do the research, but 48 yards isn't a chip shot for anyone.

The lesson is to get him inside 45 yards where his odds are pretty impressive.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 15, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Man, I can't believe you took the time to do that. But in the end the question is whether there's another kicker out there who will give you better odds. I'm not suggesting you should do the research, but 48 yards isn't a chip shot for anyone.

The lesson is to get him inside 45 yards where his odds are pretty impressive.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 15, 2008 1:21 PM

I know, I've gotta start getting some real work done today.......

Posted by: dlhaze | September 15, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Just for Greg

Anquan Boldin thru 2 games:
14 catches, 243 yards, 3 TDs

oh yeah, we play him next ...

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Smoot pop the first interception into the air by breaking on the ball?

Posted by: Mike H. | September 15, 2008 1:11 PM

Yes, off Shockey. I misremembered this in my long brain dump this AM. What I treated like the first pick was actually the fumble recovery ... which was one where Rocky stripped Shockey.

Still, both the fumble and the picked tip were off Shockey ... which is nice.

Posted by: dcsween | September 15, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

al, thanks for keeping the dream alive.

What are Moss's stats?

Posted by: Greg | September 15, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Arizona, 2-0 against arguably 2 of the weakest teams in the NFL.
Washington 1-1 against defending superbowl champs and the team a lot of guys are picking to get to the bowl.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I will have to admit, Boldin is dominating right now. I'm definitely grateful for him carrying my FF team so far (with him and SMoss this weekend, my WRs were unstoppable).

Unfortunately, for argument's sake, we had 9 receivers catch a ball yesterday, Campbell threw for 321 yards, and Moss is steadily shutting up everyone that said he's a "#2 WR at best". As good as Boldin is, we didn't need him yesterday.

Posted by: psps23 | September 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

What are Moss's stats?

Posted by: Greg | September 15, 2008 1:30 PM

12 catches for 201 yards, 2 TDs

Posted by: dcsween | September 15, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I think we are really fortunate that Arizona follows New Orleans. There will be adjustments, but I bet it will be a very SIMILAR approach on defense which might help us stay in a grove.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

psps, like your fantasy team, I'm sure they Skins could find a way to fit Boldin into the receiving game ... maybe he could "spell" Thrash every once in a while ...

Posted by: dcsween | September 15, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Thanks DC, extremely comparable....

Posted by: Greg | September 15, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Now living out here in SF since the early days of Bill Walsh, I've seen a lot of WCO.

That folks, didn't look like a WCO. That was a game where Jim Zorn looked at his talent and adapted his offense to his talent.

That is what all great coaches do. Not
ready to say Zorn is great, but that was very smart and accomplished quickly.

................

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 12:36 PM

Exactly. I highly doubt that our WCO will look anything like Seattle's version.

Just like when Gibbs 1.0 came in here. He adapted. Look where that has got him and the team.....

Posted by: 4th | September 15, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Thought Boldin + Moss would have been a very dynamic WR combo. But alas, Greg, its just a dream.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Mike H, I think the Cards have more going on in the receiving game than the Saints (mostly b/c Colston was hurt), but the Cards don't have Reggie Bush. No disrespect to The Edge (and The Edge MUST be respected), but the Cards running game doesn't feel as tough as the Saints did. One guy (OTHER than Deuce) kind of surprised me ... Hollis? Is he FB? Felt like they got some production out of him ... or, at least, penalty yards against the Skins off him ...

Posted by: dcsween | September 15, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Zeke, there are lots and lots of pluses and I'll take them all. To add to them:

-Jason Taylor looked very active; not only on the sack, but he was around Bress and forced a couple bad throws along with tipping a pass...that bodes well for us next week against 'Zona and a guy like Warner. I don't really see them pounding the run...

-Not only was it Campbell's first comeback win; but if you recall last season he had several end-of-the-game drives result in INTs (TB, Dallas, I think there were more); great confidence booster for him

-They found this guy on their roster to go out and catch the ball and make plays. He was really clutch and always sheds the first tackler. I think his name is Chris Cooley, or something.

Now, let me put my JLaC hat on for a moment:

-what the heck was up with some of our pass coverage? The Meacham TD was ridiculous. Springs literally stood still and just watched the play happen (maybe he didn't realize they hiked the ball??). Smoot gives a 20 yard cushion on 3rd and 10.

And in closing...

-Chris Horton MUST start. For real, the only reason Doughty got a starting job on this team is b/c Sean Taylor got killed. Doughty (bless his hard-working heart) is not starting-caliber material. Let the hungry rookie play!

-Someone pointed out that they weren't really running WCO. WHO THE FRIG CARES WHAT OFFENSE THEY RUN AS LONG AS IT RESULTS IN A "W"!?!?

Posted by: p1funk | September 15, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

oh yes, nice job on keeping penalties down. Not many and don't recall any that were all that critical.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

LUCK!

you guys should be praying for Colt!

BIG BLUE (ROUT!!)

Posted by: New York baller | September 15, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

... That folks, didn't look like a WCO. That was a game where Jim Zorn looked at his talent and adapted his offense to his talent. ...

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 12:36 PM

Even though it was REAL productive ... and gave some balance, the running game felt a little "forced" to me ... on a couple/few series, like it was a completely different "tempo" or rhythm from what they had going on. At one point, it seemed like they (Zorn?) inserted several running plays in a row -- until the running series got the first down -- before returning to the "pass to set up the run" game.

Posted by: dcsween | September 15, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

-Someone pointed out that they weren't really running WCO. WHO THE FRIG CARES WHAT OFFENSE THEY RUN AS LONG AS IT RESULTS IN A "W"!?!?
....

Ummmm .... that was me. And its important because Zorn understands that you need to adapt your system to your players. A lot of coaches force feed a system to the players. But Zorn moved in another direction this week. Funny to say this, but it looked kinda Al Saunders-ish.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cindy | September 15, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

So I was watching the game with my brother, and while he was doing his thing in the bathroom, the Saints punted the ball. When my bro came out, this was our conversation:

Me: "Hey, they punted to Randle El...guess what happened?"

Bro: "He ran sideways and got tackled."

BINGO!

Posted by: p1funk | September 15, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

I think you're right, but remember Bush is probably more dangerous as a receiver than running out of the backfield. So, for the second straight week, they are facing a team with two aerial threats that must be shut down. With our depth at corner (can't believe I'm saying that) I think we'll have a shot to hold them down. If we can get a lead an unleash the pass rush, so much the better.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 15, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"... The Meacham TD was ridiculous. Springs literally stood still and just watched the play happen (maybe he didn't realize they hiked the ball??). ..."

Posted by: p1funk | September 15, 2008 1:37 PM

Agreed. I think everyone was shocked, not the least of whom was Meacham himself. The first pass thrown at him in the NFL (inactive ... injured? ... all last year). In Springs defense (which was a fine defense yesterday btw), it was absurdly hot yesterday ... I can imagine how hot it got on the field, away from the swamp coolers on the sidelines, at the end of an 11 play drive. No excuses, but it was really hot.*

* I don't think the term "global warming" is as accurate as "global climate weirding". Hottest day of the year in DC ... on September 14th.

Posted by: dcsween | September 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

-Someone pointed out that they weren't really running WCO. WHO THE FRIG CARES WHAT OFFENSE THEY RUN AS LONG AS IT RESULTS IN A "W"!?!?
....

Ummmm .... that was me. And its important because Zorn understands that you need to adapt your system to your players. A lot of coaches force feed a system to the players. But Zorn moved in another direction this week. Funny to say this, but it looked kinda Al Saunders-ish.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 1:45 PM

Great...we are in agreement! Speaking of Al Saunders, has anyone seen what is going on in St. Louis? Maybe the era of taking-3-seasons-to-learn-my-immensely-complicated-scheme-before-we-string-together-a-few-wins is over in the NFL.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Funny to say this, but it looked kinda Al Saunders-ish.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 1:45 PM

Difference is that he did it in Week Two ... took Al Saunders till around Week Twelve ... of his second season here.

Posted by: dcsween | September 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah the key this week? A healthy Jason Taylor and Andre Carter. Provided the Offense can continue to progress and Zorn gets more xp the difference between this team being a contender or pretender are those two IMO. Everyone else is pretty much a well known commodity save Horton.

Posted by: Skinz | September 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Was Al Saunders here for two seasons? Or did it just feel that way?

Posted by: dcsween | September 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. I think everyone was shocked, not the least of whom was Meacham himself. The first pass thrown at him in the NFL (inactive ... injured? ... all last year). In Springs defense (which was a fine defense yesterday btw), it was absurdly hot yesterday ... I can imagine how hot it got on the field, away from the swamp coolers on the sidelines, at the end of an 11 play drive. No excuses, but it was really hot.*

* I don't think the term "global warming" is as accurate as "global climate weirding". Hottest day of the year in DC ... on September 14th.

Posted by: dcsween | September 15, 2008 1:48 PM

I think it was Billick doing the commentary and they were ripping Springs on that play, b/c no one ran underneath him, no one motioned to his side, nothing happened that would reasonably trigger the thought "maybe I should stand here and wait".

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

PROGRESS!!

Posted by: The Process Guy | September 15, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah the key this week? A healthy Jason Taylor and Andre Carter. Provided the Offense can continue to progress and Zorn gets more xp the difference between this team being a contender or pretender are those two IMO. Everyone else is pretty much a well known commodity save Horton.

Posted by: Skinz | September 15, 2008 1:50 PM

Pass rush is key. We could blanket Fitz/Boldin with 8 Carlos Rogers and we're not covering those cats. They key is getting to Bearded One and reintroducing him to his fumbling problem

...crap, I just remembered I have Warner on my fantasy team....

Posted by: p1funk | September 15, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

We've seen 'Zona a few times in recent years and it always seems to be close. Their 2-0 and yes, that counts even if it was vs SF and Miami. The SF game was pretty close, the Cards didn't put it away until late.

We know they have two great WRs and a veteran QB capable of playing at a high level plus Edgerrin James, who hasn;t overwhelmed people since he left Indy.

They've made no offensive turnovers and were +5 (!!) vs SF in week one (4 fumble recoveries).

AZ looks to be the best team in the NFC West, which is damning with faint praise.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Funny to say this, but it looked kinda Al Saunders-ish.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 1:45 PM

Difference is that he did it in Week Two ... took Al Saunders till around Week Twelve ... of his second season here.

Posted by: dcsween | September 15, 2008 1:50 PM

Funny, the Rams have Trent Green as their backup to Bulger.....Green probably has 7 to 8 years in Saunders system from their first time together in St Louis and KC.....it would be kind of funny if Bulger got injured and Green came in and started lighting it up....

Posted by: dlhaze | September 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Funny, the Rams have Trent Green as their backup to Bulger.....Green probably has 7 to 8 years in Saunders system from their first time together in St Louis and KC.....it would be kind of funny if Bulger got injured and Green came in and started lighting it up....

Posted by: dlhaze | September 15, 2008 1:54 PM

Kind of reminds me of another team whose QB was struggling under Al Saunders, until the backup who was intimately familiar with the system took over.

Posted by: p1funk | September 15, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Al Zeke,
Its still like having the best Freshman team play the worst Varsity team. It may be closer but we should beat em.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Kind of reminds me of another team whose QB was struggling under Al Saunders, until the backup who was intimately familiar with the system took over.

Posted by: p1funk | September 15, 2008 1:56 PM

My Point exactly......

Posted by: dlhaze | September 15, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

It worked, didn't it? Smoot wasn't really beaten all game, and he caused the 1st INT. 1 passing TD given up in 2 games, Smoot and the rest of the secondary know what they are doing.

Posted by: psps23 | September 15, 2008 1:06 PM


Maybe... But there was a 3rd and 5 where he was more than 10 yards off the receiver and the guy got the first down on a quick pass without even seeing Smoot's shadow.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I also really loved how Zorn went for two instead of the PAT. Doesn't feel like St. Joe would have done that.

Not sure about how I feel about going for the FG four times instead of the first down, but I leave that to the guy whose getting paid to make those decisions.

Posted by: dcsween | September 15, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

This just in, No one is picking the Saints to go to the Super Bowl! I would take Detroits defense over the saints so go ahead and pump yourselves up, I'll take Arizona next week!

Posted by: Not going anywhere | September 15, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Watched Andre Carter on about five plays. He looked pretty average. A few times he was double teamed, but he wasn't really beating anyone on the plays I saw.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Kind of a small cross section al...

Posted by: Greg | September 15, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

This just in, No one is picking the Saints to go to the Super Bowl! I would take Detroits defense over the saints so go ahead and pump yourselves up, I'll take Arizona next week!

Posted by: Not going anywhere | September 15, 2008 1:58 PM

Whatever, LaCanfora...we know that's you. Could you at least wait until tomorrow to kill our buzz?

Posted by: p1funk | September 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of W's Alex, how's your FF team looking this week?

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Ya'll gave up on me too soon....my third year I was blowin up....

Posted by: Lloyd, Brandon | September 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of W's Alex, how's your FF team looking this week?

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 2:01 PM

Because I was out of town I did not have time to switch out guys due to the bye and stuff. Not well in other words.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I know its a small sample, Greg. Each game I watch, I pick a guy to watch on a few plays. Get a feel for how he is playing. Of course, when I do that, I pretty much miss everything else in that play, so I only do it a handful of times a game. Still, that's my Andre Carter report based on what I saw.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Alex, we both choked. My TE got hurricaned into an unexpected bye week ...

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I blame my dead cousin.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey Nate, in our FF league, if a guy makes a special teams play, does it count if he's put in as a WR/RB? As in Darren Sproles who returned a kick for a TD.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

-Not only was it Campbell's first comeback win; but if you recall last season he had several end-of-the-game drives result in INTs (TB, Dallas, I think there were more); great confidence booster for him


NFL.com is a wonderful thing. This was Jason's 2nd comeback win not his first. The first was week 12 2006 against Carolina. Down 13-10 with about 4 minutes to go in the 4th he threw a pass to Cooley for a 66 yard TD.

Posted by: will_ga | September 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

BTW - Has anyone else noticed teams that get equipment guys to hold a canopy over the bench on warm gamedays when the sun is out? I saw the Skins do it yesterday, and Miami do it last week.

You'd think that these teams could spring for an extra few bucks and get some stands for the canopies instead of making their poor ballboys stand there holding the thing up in the sun, while the players cool off...

Posted by: p1funk | September 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Where is that moron, chia pet now?

The Redskins showed him up and he's nowhere to be found. People like him need to go root for the Ravens already and stay that way.

That guy is the biggest moron on the blog and knows nothing about football and is not a true fan of this team. True fans cheer their team on always, no matter what. I'm surprised that stupid idiot chia pet isn't jumping on the bandwagon now that the Redskins showed they are a good team again, just as good as the Giants. Like PDX Nate said, this team is very good and chia pet is a jerk.

Chia if you are reading this go somewhere and eat come crow and you are a complete moron who knows nothing about football, and is not a real fan of this team.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

p1funk.

help Zorn invent it man

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Alex ... my condolences

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"We've got to punt better," Smith said. "That wasn't an NFL punting exhibition we saw out there. I'm disappointed, and he's disappointed and, yeah, he's got a lot of work to do. He's got to prove that he can punt in this league, and to this point he hasn't proven that."

Shouldn't he have proven that IN THE PRESEASON before they released Frost?

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 15, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Chia must be a pathetic person. If he posts on this board again, he is just asking for it.

I say we put that fool Ravens fan and people like him in his place.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for catching us on the Campbell comeback count. Up to 2.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Proof that Campbell isn't all there:

Picking Up the Slack

In Zorn's offense, quarterback Jason Campbell is responsible for the protection calls. This is the first season Campbell has had that responsibility, so the offensive line is doing what it can to help him.

On some plays yesterday, center Casey Rabach made a few calls Campbell missed. Offensive line coach Joe Bugel instructed Rabach to make sure the line gets it right to protect Campbell.

"We're a veteran enough line to help pick him up," Rabach said. "Until he gets real comfortable doing it, and he's been doing it for a while, it's something we can do sometimes to help take the pressure off of him."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

and where is it written that the punter MUST be the holder? why not the qb (like joey t back in the day). or the backup qb? or a wr whose got "hands"?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Zeke

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

p1funk.

help Zorn invent it man

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 2:15 PM

Actually, I'm just trying to give JLa fresh reasons to trash the FO.

Posted by: p1funk | September 15, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

On Frost, people had noticed that he tackled and that he was the holder, two things that guys up here at RI questioned about Brooks. Turns out ... they were pretty good questions.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I beat this drum last year, I'll say it again:

This team jumps to another level when Santana Moss is healthy and focused. He's the most obvious, yet least discussed, X-factor on this team, in this division, maybe in the whole league.

That is all.

Posted by: Juuuuuust sayin | September 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

and where is it written that the punter MUST be the holder? why not the qb (like joey t back in the day). or the backup qb? or a wr whose got "hands"?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:19 PM

I always thought El should do it for us. Think about it, he would always be a threat for a fake FG, can throw a solid pass to anyone or run it for the 1st.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Hello again my Redskin friends! Once again it's time for King Card to lay down some tracks 'bout what's goin' down on Sunday!! (To the tune of Up on the Housetop)

"See the Secondary of the Redskins pause;
'Cause our tandem of receivers have no flaws;
Last year you won but it was just a fluke;
This game is ours so prepare to puke
Ho Ho Ho, CP too's slow;
Ho Ho Ho, Antwan blows;
See the Cards win by 21;
By the end of this game your season's done!"

Posted by: King Card | September 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

From the times, not good news, not horrible, but not good:

Coach Jim Zorn just revealed that veteran third receiver James Thrash suffered a high ankle sprain against the Saints and is wearing a walking boot. Given that those injuries usually last at least a couple of weeks, don't expect to see Thrash for a while.

His absence is compounded by the latest injury to rookie wideout Malcom Kelly. After missing the July 26 intrasquad scrimmage with an ailing hamstring, Kelly had his left knee scoped on Aug. 4 and didn't get in a game until Sunday. He caught a pass for a first down on his first snap but sprained an ankle soon afterwards and is questionable for this week's game with Arizona.

If Thrash and Kelly both can't face the Cardinals, rookie Devin Thomas would be the only backup to starting receivers Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El. Washington could promote former Indianapolis receiver Devin Aromashadu from the practice squad. Aromashodu caught seven passes for 96 yards for the Colts as a rookie in 2007.

Posted by: Greg | September 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

-Not only was it Campbell's first comeback win; but if you recall last season he had several end-of-the-game drives result in INTs (TB, Dallas, I think there were more); great confidence booster for him


NFL.com is a wonderful thing. This was Jason's 2nd comeback win not his first. The first was week 12 2006 against Carolina. Down 13-10 with about 4 minutes to go in the 4th he threw a pass to Cooley for a 66 yard TD.

Posted by: will_ga | September 15, 2008 2:13 PM

Did he start the Carolina game? I thought Brunell started and he came in and won it.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 15, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

...it would be kind of funny if Bulger got injured and Green came in and started lighting it up....

Posted by: dlhaze | September 15, 2008 1:54 PM

I typed out a snark liner about Green's concussion and "lighting it up," but fear the jinx, so I'll just leave it there.

cL, Skins special teams have been outstanding, or at least dependable, during Gibbs 2.0. This was the week when the offense and defense actually won the game. Brooks has to get better, but given that Frost gave up a safety against Detroit by missing the snap, this is no time to re-cross that burnt bridge over the crying river spilled milk in the preseason roster choices.

Posted by: dcsween | September 15, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly = Brittle

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Why CL I mean he was drafted so that means he's better than someone who was undrafted right?

Posted by: Skinz | September 15, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

What about using Alarm Clock as a 4th WR?

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

That idiot had the nerve to say that the Redskins would finish with a record of 1-15 and not get a win until the last game of the season against the 49rs.

JC makes him look like a fool now huh?

What do you have to say about the stats that you don't care about now chia pet? How about 300 plus yards and no picks?

Eat the crow you moron and go rot in hell!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

King Card,

I actually think this is the Cardinals year in the Mountain West or the SWAC or whatever conference it is they play in, but they are not winning a road game against an NFC East opponent. Not going to happen. They are still happy to be out of this division. Skins take a 2-1 record to Dallas. Put that in the bank.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 15, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

After tonight, there will be 5 NFC teams with 2-0 records. Giants, Cards, Packers, Panthers and tonights winner (girlz vs iggles).

NFC East vs rest of league so far:
4-0 (Rams 2x, Saints, Browns)

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

By having Collins or (gasp!) Colt hold wouldn't that give us a better chance of completing a pass on a fake or botched snap than having Brooks back there?

Posted by: will_ga | September 15, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Cindy | September 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back King Card! So what's your honest opinion of how this game goes down? As I said earlier if we can get Warner moving then he's awful and we blow you out. If not, then it should be very close leaning to a Cards victory.

Posted by: Skinz | September 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Ahh yes. When the skins win, JLC offers his own personal glowing praise. When the skins lose, he gets an NFL source to provide credible criticism. Yet somehow to everyone here, he's the one who hates the Redskins.

Let's see how someone can spin his next post.

Posted by: psps23 | September 15, 2008 12:36 PM

I didn't have to. You did it for me. I'm glad you realized the situation at hand....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Good test for the secondary. If they can slow down Boldin and Fitzgerald, they should also be able to hold down TO and Witten the following week.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 15, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Washington could promote former Indianapolis receiver Devin Aromashadu from the practice squad. Aromashodu caught seven passes for 96 yards for the Colts as a rookie in 2007.

Posted by: Greg | September 15, 2008 2:22 PM

Who do I want out there with Moss and ARE hmmm?

Boldin, Aromashadu. Aromashadu, Boldin ... lets go with Aromashadu!!!

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | September 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

So Malcolm Kelly has had a pulled hamstring, knee surgery, and a sprained ankle all between the time training camp started and the end of week 2? And I can't remember, but I also think I read somewhere that he's torn an ACL in high school, as well as had serious knee problems at Oklahoma. This guy seems to be made out of glass. Not good.

Posted by: psps23 | September 15, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Doug Williams looked pretty good in the West Coast offense yesterday Jason!

What do your anonymous "league sources" have to say?

Posted by: Jah | September 15, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

horton will overtake the starting job but only if he can outplay moore, he is the player everyone here has forgotten he is bigger than all of our safeties axcept landry and he played more than horton in the preseason and he is fast and can hit hard, I think he and landry should be our starters, either way long term it doesnt look good for daughty, who plays with tons of heart but does not have the athleticism horton and moore do

Posted by: dcdds | September 15, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Now living out here in SF since the early days of Bill Walsh, I've seen a lot of WCO.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, et

where in SF?; I am in Millbrae; lived in the City (SOMA) for 10 yrs and there are lots of die-hard transplants in my crew.

Posted by: skinsfaninsanfran | September 15, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

One game does not a legend make.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 15, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Was it only me or did Smoot give a 15 yard cushin on every play, even on third and short he was way off. If he is not ready to play get him out of there.

Posted by: Flounder | September 15, 2008 12:57 PM

It's called a "zone defense", better known in most circles as Cover-2 or some other variant. You play an area of the field, rather than "man to man".

Posted by: Hake | September 15, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice to see some kind of West Coast/Shotgun hybrid that would allow for a good running game and the long downfield passing game to help Jason's strengths (kind of like an Al Saunder's offense)

Why can't we get co-ordinators like that?

Zorn wants to utilize the strength of the established running game that Gibbs constructed. The shotgun reduces the running game to draw plays and sweeps.

Posted by: Lee | September 15, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Thats where a 3rd Safety would help Fred. If they had an extra guy who could play deep on known passing downs, its money.

Trust in the Alex Zeese revolutionary 3 Safety Sets

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 15, 2008 1:10 PM

You have to drop a LB or a DL to go to a 3-safety umbrella. It leaves you open to the draw play and short pass over the middle, since the most-used version takes out the MLB.

Posted by: Haig | September 15, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

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