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Jim Popp, Alouettes GM, reportedly could join Redskins

The Redskins are expected to make some additions to their front office soon, and one of the first names to surface is likely an unfamiliar one to most Redskins fans.

Jim Popp, the general manager of the Montreal Alouettes in the Canadian Football League, could soon be joining the Redskins' personnel department, according to a Montreal Gazette report.

A message left with Popp on Thursday was not immediately returned, and there was no word coming out of Redskins Park about Popp.

Popp has been the Alouettes' general manager for the past 15 years. Prior to that, he was an assistant general manager for the Baltimore Stallions. His teams have made playoff appearances every year, reached 14 division championships and nine Grey Cups, winning the CFL's top trophy three times.

There don't appear to be any obvious links between Popp and either Redskins' General Manager Bruce Allen or Coach Mike Shanahan, although Popp is well-respected and certainly a familiar name in football circles.

The Redskins last week parted ways with two scouts, but they've yet to announce any changes -- additions or subtractions -- to the front office and personnel department.

By Rick Maese  |  May 14, 2010; 6:34 AM ET
 
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Now I gotta Popp a cold one...

Posted by: last1 | May 14, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Popp goes the weasel?

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Could be a good thing.
NFL players and league go on strike…With Popp we will have an inside track to CFL players when putting a scrub team together. Good look at future talent for the team as well.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 14, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Alouttes GM? So that would mean he was the guy that brought in Ricky Williams during his, um, "personal odessey"?

Sounds like a quality hire...just hope it doesn't rule out Doug Williams for a gig here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Ohh yea…yes lots of second tier players then.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 14, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Don't make me come over there and Popp yo sorry azz.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Wow 2ndtier, good point. Never thought of that.

Good to finally have a FO that knows what the hell it's doing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

He's known affectionately as "Popps" by many of the Alouttes.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 14, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Good Ol' Popps MacGillicuty.

Welcome aboard!

I gotta feeling he'll be providing competition to Danny Smith for most home-spun, shoot-from-the-hipster.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 14, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Popp goes the weasel?

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 6:53 AM

Cuz the weasel goes pop!

Posted by: joeboggs | May 14, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Doug Williams, Doug Williams, Doug Williams!!!!!!!

Posted by: stwasm | May 14, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins will win the Super Bowl following a strike shortened/replacement player 2011 season. Look at the last 2 times it there was labor issues affecting the season.

Posted by: scottmando | May 14, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins will win the Super Bowl following a strike shortened/replacement player 2011 season. Look at the last 2 times there was labor issues affecting the season.

Posted by: scottmando | May 14, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

scott, I'll take a SB any way we can get it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Could be a new sheriff in town...
Poopy Mc Popp.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 14, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Mr James. Paging Mr. James. Your tee time is ready.........

He quit, just like the rest of his team did. With 1.38 left in the game, he started waving the white flag.

UN-ACCEPTABLE. UN-FRIGGIN ACCEPTABLE.

All I heard after the game was "I'm not going to make excuses" followed by him saying he was hindered by his elbow.

Did your elbow make you quit bron??

Pathetic.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Wow...did anyone else see this?

"Redskins general manager Bruce Allen was interviewed Wednesday night by Rich Eisen on NFL Total Access, and laid out why the team was interested in veteran running back Brian Westbrook, despite already having three former Pro Bowl rushers on the roster.

'We just wanted to meet him and talk about some of the ideas that we have for him,' Allen told Eisen. 'And it includes a lot of passing situations, and utilizing his talents.'"

Maybe this Westbrook talk wasn't a simple courtesy after all...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I'm sure they're interested, Brownie. But mebbe Westbrook is looking for more scratch or a longer contract than we're offering.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Haha Greg, I knew you'd be here in full gloat mode. Congrats to your Celts...glad they showed LeBrick the door.

The obvious downside, however, is that the incessant "where will LeBron go?" garbage has already begun...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

On the miracle whip from yesterday;

Wife made a whole chicken last night, lots of left overs

Two pieces of bread, some 'whip' and a chunk of chicken breast meat. poor mans chikcen salad.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

"Jim Popp, Alouettes GM,reportedly could join Redskins"

A lil canadian bacon is nice.

But it don't beat scrapple.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

And about whips

Car parked near work (think it was an Acura) removed the name plate for the model and replaced it with a nameplate "Whiptastic"

Good stuff

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I'm sure they're interested, Brownie. But mebbe Westbrook is looking for more scratch or a longer contract than we're offering.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2010 8:23 AM


If we signed Willie Parker to a 1 year, $3 million incentive-laden deal, I'm pretty sure we could offer up a similar deal to Westbrook. If he thinks he's doing better than that with the Rams and Broncos, he's nucking futs. Plus we offer two things he can't get in St. Louis or Denver: playing in his hometown and the chance to stick it the Eagles twice.

I just hope a deal gets done. The pairing just makes too much sense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

brown, not gloating, just in disbelief that he quit....I just can't get past that....he quit...

Gut that team, starting with the coach, keep Moe Williams, but everyone else can go...

Start with Varajao..friggin puss

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

"Maybe this Westbrook talk wasn't a simple courtesy after all..."


Yeah, but would you want both Portis and Westbrook, too guys with concussion/brain damage issues on the field at the same time?

Westbrook: Whaddya do on the play D Mac called?

CP: How he gone call a play without a phone?

Westbrook: Why do I have on burgandy and gold and I'm at Lincoln Field?

CP: Don't ask me, I'm tryin' to figure out why Mike Shanahan is wearin' redskin coaching stuff.

Westbrook: You mean we ain't in Denver, either?

(Both player stop and argue in amazement that Mick Vick is in eagles' gear Mick Vick when he's supposed to be a falcon.)

Westbrook: I guess a bird is a bird.

CP: Fool, your dame is bramaged.

Westbrook: I know you right, but I got that why from playing football.

What's your excuse?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I really didn't see too much of him last year - is he still viable?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 8:17 AM |

That's why he'll never be the greatest... he couldn't have been happier or more in a hurry to offer congratulations and get that jersey off... you think MJ or Kobe would have taken it so well?

This guy got started too early getting everything handed to him...

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 14, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

just hope a deal gets done. The pairing just makes too much sense.

Posted by: brownwood26

At a certain point, Dr. Frankenstein has to say " Well, I've got three livers, two hearts and four legs..I guess I'll get me some arms.."

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

LOL Moe...seriously though, those guys have had several months to get over their injuries and are both medically cleared. As I've said before, this offensive system is one that makes no-name RBs into stars and if we get hit with injuries to Portis and/or Westbrook, you can insert an Alridge-type RB and still get some production. Besides...we're only rolling with these older guys for 2010 until we're able to draft a young stud in 2011.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

"Jim Popp, Alouettes GM,reportedly could join Redskins"

And when his recievers start running routes into the water cooler, you'll know what the problem is..

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

That's why he'll never be the greatest...

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 14, 2010 8:39 AM

Never? The guy's 25 and you're writing his epitaph? Maybe you're right, but if you're this premature in everything you do, you'll never be a father.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

That's why he'll never be the greatest... he couldn't have been happier or more in a hurry to offer congratulations and get that jersey off... you think MJ or Kobe would have taken it so well?

This guy got started too early getting everything handed to him...

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 14, 2010 8:39 AM


100% agree...Jordan wasn't TRYING to be a global icon, he just became one after his insane drive and determination propelled him to unprecedented heights as a player. LBJ is so transparent...all he cares about is keeping his stats up so he can create more opportunities for himself off the court.

There is truly no justice in the world if this clown ever wins a title and guys like Ewing, Barkley, Stockton and Malone die ringless...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

ryp, agreed, he just laid down too easily, giving up was too readily available..too many excuses...8 minutes left in the 4th, and he's screwing around, dishing the ball to Delonte West, or just throwing it away...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Snyder, BA and Shanny are sitting around the kitchen table, and Snyder is lamenting over how badly the Skins have sucked for a decade, how Vinny has poisoned the atmosphere of the Skins with losing and incompetence, and what to do to turn around their sporting karma.

The conversation goes into a lull as the TV announcer in the background begins singing the praises of the Montreal Canadiens who have just eliminated the Stanley Cup Champion Pens from the NHL playoffs.

Snyder suddenly looks up and Shanny and BA...

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

And about new team names - which i am always game for


I always thought of warriors and we could actually keep the spear. tomahawk would be cool too. I dont think we go away from the native theme, just different word.

If you actually get away fromt he native theme, go military. Get a warthog (A 10 Thunderbolt II) as the logo and call them the hogs for short. would be a nice wink* to the past.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

There is truly no justice in the world if this clown ever wins a title and guys like Ewing, Barkley, Stockton and Malone die ringless...

A-FRIGGIN-MEN brownie, Amen. Those 4 cats would rip their kidney out if it meant they'd a better chance to win....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

And about new team names - which i am always game for

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 8:51 AM

Zeebs,

New team names = Power rankings = Haynesworth drama

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"There is truly no justice in the world if this clown ever wins a title and guys like Ewing, Barkley, Stockton and Malone die ringless..."


Ewing will get a ring as a coach.

He's one of the better 'big man' coaches in the league.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 8:44 AM

That's fine with me!

As for LBJ...don't know if he was injured or not, but it just looked like he forgot how to play basketball at times...his shot looked awful, his handle was gone...I'm sure we'll hear all about it in the coming weeks...

I've been watching old videos of Bulls/Knicks playoff games from early 90s... THAT was basketball...every guy #1-12 giving 110%... playing like everything was on the line.. hard fouls, bitter rivalries..sweat, blood, bitterness.

Golden Age of the NBA.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 14, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Well beep, if you say > Red Scamp then i will feel accomplished. That is the direction the blog turned after their spat yesterday with walter and someone else...

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Is that Popp or POOP. No poop is how we have been playing the past couple of years. Poop is what job our last GM did. Props to the Popp.

Posted by: awebb004 | May 14, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

brown, not gloating, just in disbelief that he quit....I just can't get past that....he quit...

Gut that team, starting with the coach, keep Moe Williams, but everyone else can go...

Start with Varajao..friggin puss

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse


Didn't see the game, but it doesn't surprise me to hear that LeCrabDribble wilted down the stretch with his team down...dude seems like a front-runner and needs to have the lead to close things out.

Coach? Do the Cavs have a coach? I mean, I've seen this stubby dude with dorky glasses on the sideline handing Gatorade to LeBaby, but I don't know anything about them having an actual coach...if they want to win a championship they may want to look into that.

Varajeo - you know your team doesn't have what it takes to win in the playoffs when your supposed tough-nosed hard-core defender/rebounder is Anderson Varajeo.

Also of interest to me was the total anonymity of Antwan Jamison. Much was made of him being the final piece of the puzzle to their championship run, and he was a no-show these past couple games.

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

And beep

New team names = Power rankings = Haynesworth drama > Roundball talk on skins blog

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I'd be willing to bet that if you get Ewing off-record with a couple drinks in him he'd tell you he'd gladly trade a ring as an assistant coach for a ring as a Knicks player. I'd be stunned if he said otherwise...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Well, after getting caught up from yesterday afternoon, it looks like we can safely say that other than the online filters which look for bad words, there is literally no moderation to this blog whatsoever. Wow. That was a classic.

As for Lebron; happy to see him lose again. Do NOT want to see him in a wizards uni. Looks like Cleveland didn’t read the buyer beware about Jamison not playing defense….oh well, feel kinda bad for Antwaan, but everyone else in cleveland can suck it. I still say James will go to one of the three teams remaining that don’t win it this year. It’s not all about the money at this point for him, and he’s gonna get paid wherever he ends up. He wants to be that “final piece” that puts a team over the top, so he can be seen as a savior. He’s not gonna go to some crapola team to go through what he went through in Cleveland again. It’s the Deion Sanders routine…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Zeebs1,
i was in no way involved in that Red/Scamp "spat" yesterday. i did "go biblical" when Red (i think) mentioned something about his mother's best "church hat" - but my comments had nothing to do with the "spat".

i also did propose "the washington bureaucracy" as a new politically correct team name.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 14, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Also of interest to me was the total anonymity of Antwan Jamison. Much was made of him being the final piece of the puzzle to their championship run, and he was a no-show these past couple games.

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

See your comment about Mike Brown.

He had no clue how to use Jamison. Just had him stand at the 3pt line to stretch the floor at PF.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 14, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Kiyoyuki Mori has done good things as kantoku for the Kajima Deers the past couple of years... he might be a better fit for the 'skins than Popp, and it wouldn't hurt to bring him in for a visit:

http://www.kajima.co.jp/deers/home.html

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/sf20091222a1.html

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 14, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

He’s not gonna go to some crapola team to go through what he went through in Cleveland again

dl, are you serious? LJ is gonna go to whomever offers him the MOST money. As evidenced last night, winning is hardly important to him.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Also of interest to me was the total anonymity of Antwan Jamison. Much was made of him being the final piece of the puzzle to their championship run, and he was a no-show these past couple games.

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2010 9:01 AM


As a Wizards fan, I'm NOT surprised...he's notorious for having a big game and looking like a star one day and being completely invisible the next. This is far from the first time he's come up short for an extended stretch.

Times like these, I wish Denny Green was a basketball coach...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N1OjGhIFc&playnext_from=TL&videos=WUzeDy7sdgs

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

thats what I meant walter... not that you were involved with them, but you were involved with the turn to team names...

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

LeBron just lost a few million in contract money with that zomboid performance the past coupla games..wandering aimlessly toward Gotham..

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Cleveland didn’t read the buyer beware about Jamison not playing defense….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2010 9:09 AM |

Defense? The guy was 2-10 shooting last night. Put up a big five points. He came up small when he had to come up big.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Men this is an NFL Blog. Please no NBA. That' over at NBA.com.

Posted by: awebb004 | May 14, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I think Wade would be a great addition to the Bulletos, and cheaper than LeBron. Wade, Bosh and Arenas would make the Creme Bulle's a viable threat, paisano...

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

See your comment about Mike Brown.

He had no clue how to use Jamison. Just had him stand at the 3pt line to stretch the floor at PF.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 14, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse


As a Wizards fan, I'm NOT surprised...he's notorious for having a big game and looking like a star one day and being completely invisible the next. This is far from the first time he's come up short for an extended stretch.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse


Agreed on both points. Mike Brown's non-coaching was also evident in his non-usage of Shaq. It seemed like the philosophy was that if LeBron wasn't hitting shots, then Shaq would get 20 minutes to give some low-post scoring. Good coaches figure out how to get players working together to create chemistry; not just giving this guy 15 shots and if they don't fall just sub in this guy and give him 10 shots.

The AJ acquisition was always a head-scratcher. It's like Danny Ferry sat down and said - I've got Mo Williams, Delonte West, Gibson, Parker...Hey! I know what we need - someone who can come in and shoot 3-pointers and play no defense!

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

LBJ's lifetime average = 27.8 points per game. Last night - 27 points.

Antwan Jamison's lifetime average = 19.8 points per game.
Last night - 5 points.

Massive suckage all around on the Cleveland team. They need a coach.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Okay, its an NFL blog..Its May..the crickets chirp..

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Defense? The guy was 2-10 shooting last night. Put up a big five points. He came up small when he had to come up big.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse


AJ was something like 3-16 from behind the arc during the Boston series.

I mean, if the dude isn't even going to hit a decent % of 3's, then I don't know if he could be anymore useless for you out on the floor.

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Just getting caught up from yesterday afternoon. Seemed like a fun day on RI. Also realized Sept. 12th can't get here soon enough for most of us.

Friday is always a good time for movie quotes so I offer you this...

Dr. Robert Doback: You jagaloons! You're failures! FAILURES!
Brennan Huff: Hey, you're embarrassing yourself, you geriatric f#ck!
Nancy Huff: Brennan.
Brennan Huff: Two things: You keep your liver-spotted hands off my beautiful mother. She's a saint! And then you sit down and you write Dale and Brennan a check for $10,000.
Nancy Huff: Oh, stop it! Stop it right...
Brennan Huff: Or I'm gonna shove one of those fake hearing devices so far up your a$$...
Nancy Huff: Brennan!
Brennan Huff: ...you can hear the sound of your small intestine as it produces sh!t!

Tee time at 1:30 Beeeotchs!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 14, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

A personel guy from the CFL? Now that's what I'm talking aboot!

Lebron wil be a Net. Book it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 14, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I really miss Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | May 14, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Men this is an NFL Blog. Please no NBA. That' over at NBA.com.

Posted by: awebb004 | May 14, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse
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Would agree with you in September. But in May, give it a rest. Unless you have some pant filling analysis of the marginal news presented here, or some major relevant breaking news on other football fronts, I'd say just unclench that sphincter a bit and roll with it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 14, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The AJ acquisition was always a head-scratcher. It's like Danny Ferry sat down and said - I've got Mo Williams, Delonte West, Gibson, Parker...Hey! I know what we need - someone who can come in and shoot 3-pointers and play no defense!

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Think AJ makes more sense than the Shaq move did. All Shaq does is slow down the offense and clog the middle of the lane.

Jamison was brought in to play against someone like Lewis from the Magic, and I think he could have had success against that type of player.

KG was too big in the post + decided to look like his old self = bad news for Jamison.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 14, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

dl, are you serious? LJ is gonna go to whomever offers him the MOST money. As evidenced last night, winning is hardly important to him.
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 9:13 AM |


Pure speculation of course. I think the situation just came to an abrubt end for him last night and he mailed it in at the end. Wasn’t it just last year that he got so pissed about losing he wouldn’t shake the other team’s hands after the game?. He’s going to make a ton of money no matter where he goes, whether it’s a winner or a loser. The guy is a glory hound first and foremost (despite being a crybaby/poor sport) and wants to cement his place in history like Jordan did. You don’t do that by going to, say, the Wizards for a record contract and fall short time and time again. I equate it to Deion; why did the niners win the super bowl in 94? Cause they got Deion (according to him), and then he just proved how even more aawesome he was by going to Dallas in 95 and they won the Super bowl. If Lebron signs with Orlando, Boston, LA, or Phoenix (he won’t sign with whoever wins it all), he can “Take them to the top” and get all the glory for being the savior. As 4th likes to say….book it.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Is Smokin' Artis Hicks the best we can do at RT?? Is Jared Gaithers or Jamaal Brown available?? Just 75 shopping days till pre-season..

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Zeebs1,
cool.

as i've mentioned i think "bureaucracy" (not "bureaucrats") would be a GREAT name for a washington team. i know it's not "scary" in the traditional sense - like "lions" or "bears" and so forth - but it's scary in a different way.

also, people are already used to saying it. and it has the built-in outside-the-beltway loathing. the name should have some relation to it's city. always cracked me up that there's a team called "utah jazz" - shoulda changed that name when they moved....

in that vein, i could go for something like "the washington politicians" or "the washington fat cats", but i like how "bureaucracy" does not end with "s". it indicates how the team is not a collection of individuals, but a single entity. you can attack and even defeat certain bureaucrats, but the bureaucracy will endure...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 14, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Think AJ makes more sense than the Shaq move did. All Shaq does is slow down the offense and clog the middle of the lane.

Jamison was brought in to play against someone like Lewis from the Magic, and I think he could have had success against that type of player.

KG was too big in the post + decided to look like his old self = bad news for Jamison.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 14, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse


The Shaq move makes sense if you have an actual coach that is actually able to work him into your system and create multi-dimensional chemistry on the offense.

In the playoffs, you need a halfcourt game and that game needs a legit guy in the post.

The Cavs hearky-jerky outside-in game doesn't fit Shaq at all.

Having AJ on the floor is basically like having another shooting guard. And while that fits the Cavs identity, it doesn't help you in the playoffs.

In DC he got alot of rebounds, but that's b/c the Wiz were a jump-shooting team and AJ would swoop in, get alot of intermediate-long rebounds and flip them up for some cheapy points. He had a 3-point stroke, and a garbage game. It's not like he was some kind masher in the paint grabbing boards.

Against the C's that garbage doesn't fly at all. You've got a veteran team that's not susceptible to a garbage game, and you've got Rajon Rondo scampering around grabbing all the rebounds that AJ is used to scooping up.

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

other names:
washington g-men, tax men, gubmint (not government or governors), or insiders.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 14, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

NFL news: Albert Haynesworth staying away from VOLUNTARY workouts, steroids, and Brian Westbrook meeting with two teams.

NBA news: playoffs in full swing, the game's biggest name player choking like a dog.

I'd rather be talking football too, but you gotta admit...we can only kick around the Haynesworth discussion for so long...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

523 S. Columbus St.
Alexandria, VA 22314

Check this out on various real estate databases - zillow etc - no residence there. Just because it shows up on google maps doesn't mean it is real - several street numbers that don't exist on my street appear on google maps between the real addresses that bracket them.

Perhaps red put up a fake address.

Posted by: pindc | May 14, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Nancy: Today, I saw my own son use a bicycle as a weapon. You yelled "rape" at the top of your lungs.
Brennan: Mom, I honestly thought I was going to be raped for a second. He had the craziest look in his eyes, and at one point he said, "Let's get it on".
Dale: That was about the fighting! I'm so not a raper!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"I'd be willing to bet that if you get Ewing off-record with a couple drinks in him he'd tell you he'd gladly trade a ring as an assistant coach for a ring as a Knicks player."


Thing is, he had legit shots at getting a ring, and didn't get it done.

Olajuwon outplayed him, Miller outshot him, the Spurs out-Spurred him, and Jordan out-MJed him.

The Georgetown years were the best of Ewing's career, IMO.

Ewing was a flawed pro center, but I loved the sight of him in kneepads, throwin' elbows with another 7-footer at his back.

Funny thing is, I even wonder if he could play in today's NBA where the rigid, low-post, back to the basket center is like a dinosaur.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps red put up a fake address.

Posted by: pindc | May 14, 2010 9:41 AM

pindc is the Domino's guy who is looking for RedDMV today in order to collect for the 14 pizzas the delivered to 523 S. Columbus Street. Plus he'd like a tip for his efforts.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I always wondered why they were called roofies, ’cause you’re more likely to end up on the floor than the roof. They should call ‘em floories

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Washington Braves.

It begins and ends there.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 14, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"Men this is an NFL Blog. Please no NBA. That' over at NBA.com."

Yeah, but the other blogs suck like a 20 dolla hoe.

We got style and finesse.

We got a beeper, a mad black dude who's always red, some nutty dudes from Florida, a cool Hawaiian, a man in the PDX, frakenstein, a bunch of cut-n-pastin' know-it-alls, and a host of dudes who change screen names on the regular.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Funny thing is, I even wonder if he could play in today's NBA where the rigid, low-post, back to the basket center is like a dinosaur.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2010 9:42 AM


I would say no...seems to me the NBA is less about the half-court game and more about running a wide open style of offense. Centers like Shaq and Ewing have been just about completely phased out.

The NBA has to do something to get more interest in their product...it's been in decline for at least the last decade.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Washington Braves.

It begins and ends there.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 14, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"Ewing was a flawed pro center, but I loved the sight of him in kneepads, throwin' elbows with another 7-footer at his back."


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2010 9:42 AM |
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no doubt - that (kneepads) was a great look.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 14, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps red put up a fake address.

Posted by: pindc | May 14, 2010 9:41 AM

pindc is the Domino's guy who is looking for RedDMV today in order to collect for the 14 pizzas the delivered to 523 S. Columbus Street. Plus he'd like a tip for his efforts.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

He should just take them to Red's stash spot...560 State Street..where you can catch him in the kitchen like a simmons whipping pastry.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 14, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

The Shaq move makes sense if you have an actual coach that is actually able to work him into your system and create multi-dimensional chemistry on the offense.

Posted by: p1funk | May 14, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Guess that's why I thought he wasn't a fit. Mike Brown's not exactly running the Princeton offense.

Thought Z was actually ok in their offense b/c he can hit the 18 footer. Forces a guy like Perkins or Howard to play further from the rim.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 14, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"Is Jared Gaithers or Jamaal Brown available?? Just 75 shopping days till pre-season..Posted by: frak"

Just read that Gaithers is suspected of pulling an Albert in the wake of losing his left tackle spot. He's a huge guy but apparently the Ravens don't think he's a right tackle. He does have some injuries...

Jamaal Brown is more of a mystery. He's 29 and apparently has two injuries that tend to worry team docs: the hip and also the dreaded 'sports hernia'. He resembles Chris Samuel in that he's a terrific run blocker for a LT. He'd have to sign a tender and would demand an extension, but after drafting Williams, few in NO think he'll wind up here.

Better candidate: Buffalo.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 14, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I always wondered why they were called roofies, ’cause you’re more likely to end up on the floor than the roof. They should call ‘em floories

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse


Or rapies.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 14, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Something tells me it goes like THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T1RMuoQnKo

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Ewing was very good, not great.

The Knicks made the mistake of thinking he was a centerpiece and were always trying to add players to compliment him, he should've been a second bananna or at least a co-1st banana with another very good, not great player who could do the scoring like Barkley, Drexler or Dominique.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 14, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I always wondered why they were called roofies, ’cause you’re more likely to end up on the floor than the roof. They should call ‘em floories

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 9:46 AM

Headed to Vegas two weeks from today for the WSOP. With about 10 guys. The weekend could end up very similar to theirs...

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 14, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Jim Popp. Montreal Alouettes of the Canadian Football League.
VP & GM, Director of Football Operations and Player Personnel
14 seasons as the Alouettes’ GM
2 Championships (02 & 09) 7 Grey Cup appearances since 2000. Popp has the best overall record of any CFL general manager over the past 15 years. The Allouettes are the CFL’s most successful franchise of the last decade-plus. (For the uninformed, the Grey Cup is CFL's version of the Super Bowl)

During his 18 years in the CFL (two years with Saskatchewan, two with Baltimore,
and 14 with Montreal), his teams have appeared in the playoffs every year,
appearing in 14 division championships and nine Grey Cups. He also won a Grey Cup during CFL's failed US experiment - 1995 Baltimore Stallions.

He coached at the collegiate level for five seasons: The Citadel (1988-90)
under Charlie Taaffe; North Carolina (1987) under Dick Crum; and Michigan State (1986) under George Perles.

He played college football for three seasons at Michigan State (1983-85) under Perles, as a wide receiver and defensive back.

His wife is from Glen Burnie, MD. The Popps offseason home is in Mooresville, NC.

source:
http://en.montrealalouettes.com/page/jim-popp

His house is currently for sale. He's in the last year of his contract. He hates the Al's President. The team president has already identified his successor. There's no contract extension. Essentially Popp is US bound; the question is, which NFL team gets to him first?

If you're gonna poach the CFL, poach their best. If this pans out - its a great hire!


for the sake of clarity...
The Ricky Williams experiment was with the Toronto Argos, not the Als.

Posted by: psssst | May 14, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"The NBA has to do something to get more interest in their product...it's been in decline for at least the last decade."


That could solved in a way that I actually hate:

The NBA and the NCAA need to sit down and figure out a way to work together.

I cared more about the NBA when a guy I watched for four years in college matured and got drafted.

And I think the breakdown of that relationship--due to guys leaving high school or college after a year or two--is what's ailing the NBA.

I mean, think of it: there would be no Magic v. Bird NCAA Final Four game the way things are now.

Thing is, can you really restrict a guy who's 19 or 20 from making money at his chosen profession?

Maybe the kids should get drafted as juniors, but be allowed to stay in school.

Yes, it ruins the whole phony 'student-athlete' premise, but what blue chip kid goes to college hoping to become something other than a profesional ball player?

And how does the NCAA's billion dolla relationship with the networks give them the right to say the kids who play the sports should be broke in order to play?

The NBA brand will improve when the fans care identify with the players from their college years.

Otherwise, whenever I watch, I think, "who is that guy, and that guy..."

"And why do I care about them?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

@moo
Disappointed you have decided to be Bean acolyte. You've actually been reliable with real reports. Sorry you chose to dump that status. Enjoy your off-the-wall comments, though. Just no longer give you credence with news.

Anybody else wonder why Red and Scamp provided Zip codes? To facilitate mailing it in?

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 14, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: pindc | May 14, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

May be;

Also if it is an apartment it would not show up on assessment records since they dont pay prop tax on the individual parcel.

Yes, those are called street ranges. it helps to guide you to the right street even if you have the wrong address, as long as it is in range (say a range of 12000 - 12100 and you get to that street block.

Better way to check is here

http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/welcome.jsp

Search by address. it will tell you if it is mailable. And that address IS mailable.

So most likely real, unless it was a recently demolished house. But google would lag behind USPS, so it would be the reverse if that were the case (finding it in google or zillow vs USPS)

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Disappointed you have decided to be Bean acolyte. You've actually been reliable with real reports. Sorry you chose to dump that status. Enjoy your off-the-wall comments, though. Just no longer give you credence with news.

Anybody else wonder why Red and Scamp provided Zip codes? To facilitate mailing it in?

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 14, 2010 10:00 AM

fan--LMAO Red/Scamp. But moo is no "Bean acolyte." Moo took Bean to school and showed him how it's done. Hat's off to Professor Moo for that one.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Or instead of demolished, it is new. MY house is 4 year old and zillow doesnt have its exact location still. Has it on the street in the 1st phase of our development, bout a half mile from its real location

But it does find it. there would def be some lag if it was a new subdiv.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Kareem agrees with you:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-abdul-jabbar-boystown

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 14, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Anybody else wonder why Red and Scamp provided Zip codes? To facilitate mailing it in?

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 14, 2010 10:00 AM

Now that's funny

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 14, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 14, 2010 10:00 AM

that would be the cynical way to look at it, right?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 14, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Something tells me it goes like THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T1RMuoQnKo

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse


HA!

"Rockin 10's on my Prius"

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 14, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Also, if you just search on the street name, no address, it will give you all the records for that street.

Individual addresses usually are apt situations or condos, or just a house that has an sublet unit in it.

Otherwise it returns the range (in reds case 505 - 530 which 523 falls within). Those are not ranges like google (which uses potential ranges in case as i said before if you have the wrong address) but actual ranges ie, real addresses on the ground.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Pretty sure the Shaq signing was to deal with Dwight Howard. Boston made sure they won't have that oppotunity.

I don't like Lebron but the guy has a terrible coach and supporting cast. When Moe Williams or Antawn Jamison is your 2nd best player you are not going to win a champ. Boston has 4 players better than the Cavs #2.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | May 14, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Mike Brown runs a 1-4 offense. One guy (queen james) dribbles around the top of the key while the other 4 guys stand around watching him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 14, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

A little more exploring would show townhouses on that block, so I would assume rental townhomes since zillow did not find them.

Just make sure you dont put Columbia vs Columbus.....like i did.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

And yes, i am a map nerd, so say what you will....

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"The AJ acquisition was always a head-scratcher. It's like Danny Ferry sat down and said - I've got Mo Williams, Delonte West, Gibson, Parker...Hey! I know what we need - someone who can come in and shoot 3-pointers and play no defense!

Posted by: p1funk"

Somebody else pointed this out already, but the AJ acquisition was purely a tactical move to stay even with the Magic. Rashard Lewis demolished the Cavs last year, and having a 4 comfortable running and stretching the floor both offensively and defensively would have helped control that.

Of course Mike Brown is arguably the worst coach in the NBA, so naturally he had zero adjustments when it was so very obvious that Jamison could come nowhere close to matching up with a 7-foot PF that has post-play and range offensively.

I feel bad for Jamison. He was put in an impossible situation for him to succeed. He's going to go down as one of the goats, but this entire series really falls on Mike Brown being thoroughly outcoached (like equivalent to a HS football coach matching wits with Shanahan), and LBJ crumbling in one of the least-clutch series I've seen from a superstar.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

And yes, i am a map nerd, so say what you will....

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:21 AM

maps = power rankings = Miss South Carolina = Redskins name change

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I've been watching old videos of Bulls/Knicks playoff games from early 90s... THAT was basketball...every guy #1-12 giving 110%... playing like everything was on the line.. hard fouls, bitter rivalries..sweat, blood, bitterness.

Golden Age of the NBA.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 14, 2010 8:58 AM

Those Knicks teams didn't play basketball. They played a lot of clutch and grab that slowed down games and made them almost unwatchable for a period. The League changed the rules to get away from that type of play.
Lebron's problem in this series arise from a lack of production from his teammates. Where was a fraction of that 20/10 Jamison was getting on a regular basis in Washington? Shaq and Z looked like they were standing in cement on D. They could close off the lane in time to stop Rondo. The Cs got production from 4 guys and kept Lebron from bulldozing his way to the hoop. The NBA playoffs are not like the regular season. Everything is harder.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

And yes, i am a map nerd, so say what you will....

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:21 AM |

My brother is a GPS cartographer and he and I do a lot of volunteer work creating maps for state parks.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 14, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I always wondered why they were called roofies, ’cause you’re more likely to end up on the floor than the roof. They should call ‘em floories

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 9:46 AM

tahts funny too. I believe the reason they were called ruffies originally is because the original medication was called ruffinol.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 14, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

i take that as a complement beep, such as

scamp, walking trails huh... Ohio State Gov need that or county? We having issues with that in MD. no one has park trails in GIS it seems.

Have you done the 'fire trails' if they have them up there? basically breaks in the forest for fires and for equipment to get back to places they normally would not.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

"Just read that Gaithers is suspected of pulling an Albert in the wake of losing his left tackle spot. He's a huge guy but apparently the Ravens don't think he's a right tackle. He does have some injuries..."

Injuries never happen to offensive linemen..I think you meant left tackle..

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

"I don't like Lebron but the guy has a terrible coach and supporting cast."

That's a load of bull.

Jamison and Moe Williams easily match-up with Jameer Nelson and Rashard Lewis. Shaq is a superstar in significant decline, Vince Carter is a superstar in significant decline. West and Varejao are solid role players on any team, similar to Barnes and Pietrus.

Dwight Howard has a slightly better supporting cast than Lebron, but twice the team. LBJ kills his teammates' ability to play ball with their slow, half-court style of play. If the Cavs had an actual coach with nuts, the Cavs would look just as formidable as the Magic as a team.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Moo took Bean to school and showed him how it's done. Hat's off to Professor Moo for that one. Posted by: beep-beep

Fair enough, "School of Greg", then. I will fully admit that moo's was far more artful; something we could all buy and some would even love. Has that undeniable "Hmmm, could be..." factor.

Fact remains, I once bought moo's news (Moo's News.. Blue's Clues? Could be a TV show in that...).

I bought Bean's news. Once.

Case in point:
"Jim Popp, Alouettes GM, reportedly could join Redskins - Rick Maese"
Alrighty, then.

"Jim Popp, Alouettes GM, reportedly could join Redskins (Noooooooo!!) - BeanTown Greg"
Yeah. Right.

@moo
Cynical, indeed, Madame deBovine. Or are you Sir deBovine? Cow or Bull? The artful post cynically leads me to bull. Again, I do generally appreciate your wit. No deprecation intended.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 14, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

i take that as a complement beep, such as

scamp, walking trails huh... Ohio State Gov need that or county? We having issues with that in MD. no one has park trails in GIS it seems.

Have you done the 'fire trails' if they have them up there? basically breaks in the forest for fires and for equipment to get back to places they normally would not.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:30 AM

State Parks, specifically John Bryant and John Glenn (both of which are side by side in Yellow Springs, OH.) The govt. is pretty heavy into this stuff too though. Or my brother would be out of work. Specifically the department of homelad defense.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 14, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

That prius snippet gave me an idea for future "I'm more badass than you" arguments... we can just compare what car we drive.

Thjere - I fixed it for ya.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I always wondered why they were called roofies, ’cause you’re more likely to end up on the floor than the roof. They should call ‘em floories

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Or rapies.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 14, 2010 9:55 AM

How about Roethies.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

...department of homelad defense.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 14, 2010 10:33 AM

And if the government doesn't defend the homelads, who will? Finally a role for government that scamp can endorse.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

rohypnol, i think

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape_drug

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:33 AM |

You are correct, not ruffinol as I thought.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 14, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I think homelad defense might be assigned to priests.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 14, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

We gotta have our Popps!

Posted by: stwasm | May 14, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

guys, its a quote from the movie, "the hangover".....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Top names I will always stick with in keeping the current uni&logos.

Potomac
Powhatan
Justice
Americans

You can keep the same uniform and logo with all of them. Heck you want to give the American Indian an apology what better way to do it than to call the team the Americans (referencing their nativeness to this nation) or the Justice (an apology for the name)

If they wanted to change the logo and everything.

Copperheads- go with a copper helmet and a burgundy and coper uniform, logo would be snake themed
Senators- Black with red white blue trim. Gold Eagle shield logo.
Union- White and red *think nats/caps coloring. Logo would be the DC flag with the 2 strips warping around the back of the helmet like a laurel.

yes Name change = power rankings

but power rankings > Albert Haynsworth talk.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Homelad defense must be worried about the militia in the woods?

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I think Wade would be a great addition to the Bulletos, and cheaper than LeBron. Wade, Bosh and Arenas would make the Creme Bulle's a viable threat, paisano...

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

1. Wade will come to the Wizards when Rush Limbaugh joins the ACLU.

2. Wade, Bosh and Arenas would make my rec-league team a viable threat.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 14, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Senators would be funny since DC doesnt have any.... DC would pay for a stadium outright with that type or ironic soapboxing for their statehood...

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

...department of homelad defense.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 14, 2010 10:33 AM

And if the government doesn't defend the homelads, who will? Finally a role for government that scamp can endorse.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 10:37 AM |

There is a lot about government that I support but we won't get inbto politics today. There is one thing that I have recently applauded Obama for and that is his stance on drug policy. It's about damn time someone did what he is doing in that area.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 14, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

And i always like senators but with the Roman themed helmet. Or Greek. Whichever... like the Ottawa senators have.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Face it. If it's Senators, the logo needs to be a guy in a suit behind bars.

Not the Ted Kennedy kind of bars

Too soon?

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 14, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Senators would be funny since DC doesnt have any.... DC would pay for a stadium outright with that type or ironic soapboxing for their statehood...

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

We have the shadow senators. I thought of it because of the fact that before the skins there was a football team in DC called the Senators for a season or 2.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Cynical, indeed, Madame deBovine. Or are you Sir deBovine? Cow or Bull? The artful post cynically leads me to bull.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 14, 2010 10:32 AM

all of the above... didn't you click on the ESPN link?

steps out of the cow costume for a minute of serious discussion:

http://lifewithhorsesonline.blogspot.com/2007/10/cow-pony.html

the joke was really on me, since I'd rather hear about AH than NBA playoffs, and everyone was a good sport for playing along.

nothing to do with schooling anyone... strictly "catch-and-release" to alleviate some stupendous boredom in the absence of real news.

per the link above, should be obvious it was a one-trick pony dressed up as a cow.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 14, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

You wouldn't dredge out the clams to see Wade, Bosh and Arenas on the same squad??? Bosh would counter Garnett, Wade Pierce and Arenas the entire Southie Mob..

"Or my brother would be out of work. Specifically the department of homelad defense.

Posted by: scampbell1975"

O, surprise, surprise, that's not my finger, either!!

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

MOL!!! MOOOOOOOOOOO!

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 14, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

That's a load of bull.

Jamison and Moe Williams easily match-up with Jameer Nelson and Rashard Lewis.


Judging talent on individual match-ups = power rankings. Talent consistently overcomes challenges and adversity.


Shaq is a superstar in significant decline, Vince Carter is a superstar in significant decline.



So... 4 contributors into your argument and you haven't disproved the original statement.


West and Varejao are solid role players on any team, similar to Barnes and Pietrus.



6 players in and still nothing special about Lebron's supporting cast


Dwight Howard has a slightly better supporting cast than Lebron, but twice the team. LBJ kills his teammates' ability to play ball with their slow, half-court style of play. If the Cavs had an actual coach with nuts, the Cavs would look just as formidable as the Magic as a team.


And finally you recognize the coaches limitations, on top of the 6 players previously analyzed. Other then suggesting the original poster was full of it, you did an excellent job of supporting his argument!

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse
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Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 14, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Too soon?

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 14, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I hope not. Most of my best material about growing up in DC was based of Ted Kennedy's drinking problem. It was hard to table that for the years he was sick. Lets face it there are not many others out there that you can make those jokes about and get away with it.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins will win the Super Bowl following a strike shortened/replacement player 2011 season. Look at the last 2 times there was labor issues affecting the season.

Posted by: scottmando | May 14, 2010 7:37 AM

Not if the replacement players formerly known as "scabs" are Canadians playing an "exhibition year" in the United States. STRATEGERY!

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Joke all you want, I knew and worked with Jim Popp in Balt. He's got an eye for talent and knows how to run an organization. Reminds of a Bobby Beathard.

Posted by: bundy44 | May 14, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I thought with this kind of lock out there are no scabs.

I am too young to remember, but when the skins ran their replacement team out there, what was the extend of most those guys playing history, ex college only?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

O, surprise, surprise, that's not my finger, either!!

Posted by: frak | May 14, 2010 10:58 AM |

Yea, except he gets paid with our dollars. That is a worth while department.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 14, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 14, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse"

Haha what?

Your post makes little sense to me. Perhaps you can explain it better.

His argument was that Cleveland doesn't have the players surrounding him to win a title. My argument was that they easily do (if you assume the Magic have the players to win a title). LBJ and Mike Brown collectively torpedo their teammates' effectiveness, especially in series' like this.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Not if the replacement players formerly known as "scabs" are Canadians playing an "exhibition year" in the United States.

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2010 11:00 AM

Would you feel better if we use Mexicans and Central Americans?

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

It begins and ends there.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 14, 2010 9:48 AM

Washington Infinities

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

What are the team colors for the Washington Infinities?

Black and white?

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 14, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Orlando destroyed the Cavs last year. Boston did the same this year. This Cavs team reminds me of the Sixers team with Iverson. You have one superstar trying to carry a team on his back. Cavs have some ok role players but no legit consistent 2nd threat. If you think Vince Carter is in as much decline as Shaq you are blind. I would take Rashard Lewis, Jameer Nelson, Gortat, Pietrus and Barnes over the Cavs supporting cast every day of the week.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | May 14, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

What are the team colors for the Washington Infinities?

Black and white?

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 14, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse
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They're a sideways 8.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

They fade to invisible

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 14, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Is sideways 8 colors? If so, what colors Maroon and Black??

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 14, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I accidentally a sideways 8!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 14, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

psps,

Heard your boy B.O.B. He's OK but his sound is not new. And you can't let someone get on your album and spit the best rhymes on the whole thing. Maybe it's an age thing but

Q-Tip's Renaissance and Kamal the Abstract >>>>>> B.O.B.

Cee Lo Green's Perfect Imperfection and Cee Lo Green is a Soul Machine >>>>>> B.O.B. In fact, B.O.B. sounds like a Andre3000 knock off.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

What are the team colors for the Washington Infinities?

Black and white?

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 14, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse
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Liquid platinum, g37xs

Posted by: AnthonyMix | May 14, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Curren$y is the nicest thing out

Posted by: AnthonyMix | May 14, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"Cavs have some ok role players but no legit consistent 2nd threat."

They don't have a legit consistent second threat because they have their SF handling the ball and running pick-and-pop or isos 95% of the game.

Moe Williams has the capability to be a 20+ pt scorer and 6+ assist man per game. Antawn Jamison has the ability to be a 20+ppg, 8+rpg player. Both get shrunk down in size to "ok role players" because all they do is spread the 3-point line and hope James kicks them the ball after his attempted drive.

Where are the plays designed to get Williams running off multiple screens?

When did you see Jamison get the ball in the low post to do his trademark flip shots and awkward releases that somehow always manage to be effective?

Even Shaq is still an effective scorer on the post, shooting well above 50%. How come they got away from that matchup down low, which Shaq was winning for a majority of the past 4 games?

I'm sorry, but James is surrounded with talent. He gets his stats and his assist numbers are high, but he doesn't even come close to getting his other players properly involved in the game. The only players that benefit from James are guys like Anderson Varejao and Big Z, because they have obvious limitations as players and need someone to draw defenders away from them.

Orlando is better as a supporting cast (aside from Howard and LBJ), but not by nearly as much as people are trying to give them credit for. They simply know how to use their talent much more effectively. And a lot of that falls on LBJ for the Cavs.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

if we're pretending we're honoring native americans (when we're actually just trying to keep the way cool redskin motif), could it be "NATIVES"....? lol....

with these names you've gotta say with the word "washington". so, you know how people are always complaining about the roads and congestion and construction and so forth? how 'bout the "washington traffic". you know, "oh i had these great plans, but that washington traffic screwed me up." or "washington gridlock"? ha! "gridlock" is good because of congress. can't get any bill past that washington gridlock. and people are used to saying "washington gridlock".

nah....still like "washington bureaucracy", though writing it is definitely a pain... could be "bureaucrats" i suppose and nicknamed "crats". or, it could be "suits".

"senators" is ok, but is too complementary, and not scary enough - like "diplomats" is no good: who's afraid of a diplomat? could be "damn washington senators" or "corrupt washington bastages".

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 14, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2010 11:48 AM

Are you saying they did things differently in the playoffs than they did during the regular season to win 61 games?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

LH, I'm a big fan of Cee-Lo and Q-Tip. I'm not going to say anything against those two.

My appreciation for B.O.B. comes less from his rhymes, more from his total game. He writes, he produces, he raps, and he sings. And his style is right up my alley. Maybe it was also my being bored with the music industry at the time I first heard him, but his stuff felt fresh as opposed to 99% of everything else that has recently come out.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"Are you saying they did things differently in the playoffs than they did during the regular season to win 61 games?"

No, not necessarily. Generally speaking, that one-dimensional style of play with James is good enough to beat most teams because he's so talented. That coupled with the intensity they play at in the regular season was good enough to win 61 games.

I remember looking at their results last year in the regular season and noticing that although Cleveland won the best regular season record, against the best teams in the league (Orlando, LA, and SA), the Cavs were only .500. Tactically better teams are able to negate Lebron in the half-court, and when they do, Cleveland struggles to adjust. That's what happened against Boston. IMO, it's been a pattern for a while now.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Lebron and rappers. Slow day on RI. Why not throw in Sarah Palin and the Mama Grizzlies?

Posted by: bostskin | May 14, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Tactically better teams are able to negate Lebron in the half-court, and when they do, Cleveland struggles to adjust. That's what happened against Boston. IMO, it's been a pattern for a while now.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2010 12:11 PM

Exactomundo. If his sidekicks were actually good enough to make plays, opponents couldn't do that. Offense aside, the Cavs couldn't stop Boston because they Cs can can consistently score from four positions on the floor.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

psps23

"My appreciation for B.O.B. comes less from his rhymes, more from his total game. He writes, he produces, he raps, and he sings. And his style is right up my alley."

Agreed.

I made a nice compilation featuring him, Gnarls Barkley, Bruno Mars, Lupe Fiasco, Travie McCoy, and some old The Love Below tracks that fit in nicely.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I like that we're looking at Popp. A consistent winner -- demonstrates he evaluates talent well. I like that the 2 degrees (BA and MS) are thinking outside the box. Several NFL players passed thru Canada, including Jeff Garcia and Warren Moon.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 14, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"If it's Senators, the logo needs to be a guy in a suit behind bars."

I'd prefer the emblem be a politician taking money from an oil company.

That seems to be the most common image to date.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Washington Infinities

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse


I love that! Especially Infitiy being plural, it work on so many levels.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 14, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"Why not throw in Sarah Palin..."

Politically, RI is a funny place.

If you throw a pie at Obama, no one says anything.

If you throw a pie at Sarah Palin, folks howl, "Liberal!" and accuse you of being anti-American.

Because, as we all know, I am.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Could be a good thing.
NFL players and league go on strike…With Popp we will have an inside track to CFL players when putting a scrub team together. Good look at future talent for the team as well.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 14, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

I know you probably said this as a joke, but just in case... scab teams will never happen again in the NFL. I believe they instituted rules against it so that it won't ever be a possibility.

Posted by: dfbovey | May 14, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

"Why not throw in Sarah Palin..."

Politically, RI is a funny place.

If you throw a pie at Obama, no one says anything.

If you throw a pie at Sarah Palin, folks howl, "Liberal!" and accuse you of being anti-American.

Because, as we all know, I am.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2010 12:40 PM

Oh how wrong you are! If you throw a pie at Obama Red comes along and calls you a rascist. And then every other liberal d bag crawls out of the woodwork to defend their savior.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 14, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The blog blows today.

I wish they would hurry up and get rid of Haynesworth so we have something to talk about.

In other news Matt Mosley, ESPN blogger and Redskin Hater, said Orakpo should have around 16 sacks this year.

I'm going with 17 and a half.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 14, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Could be a good thing.
NFL players and league go on strike…With Popp we will have an inside track to CFL players when putting a scrub team together. Good look at future talent for the team as well.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 14, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

I know you probably said this as a joke, but just in case... scab teams will never happen again in the NFL. I believe they instituted rules against it so that it won't ever be a possibility.

Posted by: dfbovey | May 14, 2010 12:41 PM

And that sucks cuz we win Super Bowls with 'em.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 14, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

For me personally when I hear "Redskins ", the last thing that comes to my mind is anything racial.
I just think of a team that I was born to love.
It doesn't even make me think of indians.

Posted by: westjr88 | May 14, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I may be late to the show on this but....


Terrance Austin: The new Marko Mitchell

7th round WR with a shot to make the roster. Im sure he'll end up on the P squad if he doesnt crack the 53. But he does PR and KR and playing ST is what got MM cut, so go Austin!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | May 14, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

If you throw a pie at Sarah Palin, folks howl, "Liberal!" and accuse you of being anti-American.

Because, as we all know, I am.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2010 12:40 PM |

Frak and Thinker_ call me unAmerican at least once a day because they seem to think Obama IS America and because I don't like him I'm unAmerican. Little do they know that railing against the government is THE most American activity of all time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 14, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

fan--LMAO Red/Scamp. But moo is no "Bean acolyte." Moo took Bean to school and showed him how it's done. Hat's off to Professor Moo for that one.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 14, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse
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Poopy McPoop has been dethroned as best blog name.

MoodlyMoodlyMoo is the clear #1.

May stinks...if you're a Wizards/Caps fan.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | May 14, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

May stinks...if you're a Wizards/Caps fan.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | May 14, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

LIFE stinks if you're a fan of any DC sports team.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 14, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

alright scamp;

lets not start another blog war...

Liberals cry. Conservs cry. everyone cries foul... its like the boy who cried wolf, eventually peeps will stop listening.

Palin failed. Bush fail in some areas, some he did well in. Obama seems to be toeing a cautious line between the two.

Sad thing is he is following up on his campaign promises which some 70% were in nfavor of on the campaign trail, but now that they are coming to fruition, and the realities of what some of that means, is coming home to roost.

As a whole, the american public is hard to satisfy, especially when people dont use their minds and just toe the party line.

Its like this

Prez X says Y
Citizen A likes Y
Prez X does Y
Citizen A now does not like Y

conversely

Prez X says Y
Citizen A likes Y
Prez X does not do Y
Citizen A crys foul and wants Y

"Be careful what you wish for" should be the moderate/independent slogan for 2014.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

oi theres a new post. go troll that.

Posted by: WishboneJr | May 14, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Random thoughts of the day

let's change the team name to something other than Redskins (Memorials, Generals, Colonials, whatever), we can still have the Indian head as our logo - the ultimate FU

I still worry about the change to the 3-4 defense from the 4-3. Do we have the right personnel, etc. Say we get to 3rd preseason game and the D has really sjked the big one, do they change back at that point or are we committed?

From all I have read and heard, what was the point of hiring Jim Zorn? To $ucked 2 years out of the fans life? There was nobody else who could/wanted to coach this team? Bobby Bowden would have been a huge improvement.

I would not be surprised to see some more long time Skins to go before opening day. Shanallen is changing this team.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | May 14, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 14, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh how wrong you are! If you throw a pie at Obama Red comes along and calls you a rascist. And then every other liberal d bag crawls out of the woodwork to defend their savior.

Posted by: scampbell1975

First of all, why are you mentioning my name?

You can't leave sh*t alone, can you? Where is the percentage in constantly mentioning my name, like you're my b*tch or something.

Goddamn son, keep my name out ya post.

You don't fu_k with me, and you know I don't fu_k with you, so let's leave it at that. LIG already.

Anyway, I've always said that I don't agree with everything Obama does. Have said NUMEROUS times that I'm not one of those blacks that sides with Obama because "my president is black". When it comes to health care, I side with those who are against it more than those who are for it. But dude has been in 18 months, I can give him 4 years to see how it all plays out.

But this isn't about Barack Obama at all.


As I said you initial comments you made to 4thFloor were not made in a joking manner. Seriously, who jokes as such:

Hey 4th, my family comes from Scotland. Think they know anything abut real farming you phukin' rascist sh!tball? It's funny how you slavery crybabies can only read so far back in history. My ancestors were enslaved by the English but I'm not cryin' about it. We kicked their ass and earned our freedom.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 13, 2010 1:30 PM


Yeah, ha-ha, big joke, too fuuny! *slapping knee*

Don't get mad at me that you got exposed for the racist coward turd that you are, scamp. Only a coward wouldn't stand by what he has to say.

And I don't think everyone is a racist. Just your types. Dude, all you have to do is look at your "disses" to me yesterday. All had racial under-tones, all are sterotypical thoughts of the African-American community. You know it, I damn sure you know it, and the blof knows it. But ONLY you would try and spin in a way that "I believe in the racist sterotypes". Like I said the new thing with you racist fu_ks is to flip it back on the accuser and accuse them of being raicst.

Random Minority: You're a racist son of a b*tch.

Ku Klux Klan Wizard: No, you are.


Oh and still waiting on actual proof that I actually threatened you prior to yesterday, and no, your actuations don't count.


Smap, I refuse to go back and forth with you another day, or another minute for that matter. YOU were exposed for the bigot bastard that you are, and you did it to yourself. Call it one of those self-defecating moments (sic). You couldn't wait to go on one of your daily racial based/political rants, and when you realized that you took 4th's post out of context AND WHEN OTHER POSTERS CALLED YOU OUT FOR IT, only then did you back off your comments by claiming that you were "joking".

Only thing is no one found it funny but you.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Wow, doesn't take much to get you people off topic, does it.

Anyway, Jim Popp did not sign Ricky Williams. Williams spent one season with the Toronto Argonauts.

This would be a big loss to the 'Als', my favorite CFL team, but a big gain for the 'Skins, my favorite NFL team.

Go, Habs, Go!

Posted by: kingstonsean | May 14, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I love that! Especially Infitiy being plural, it work on so many levels.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 14, 2010 12:38 PM

Infinities plus one.

Posted by: dcsween | May 14, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

i guess this is the joe theismann grasp at the past

Posted by: rev_ollie | May 14, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2010 8:17 AM |

That's why he'll never be the greatest... he couldn't have been happier or more in a hurry to offer congratulations and get that jersey off... you think MJ or Kobe would have taken it so well?

This guy got started too early getting everything handed to him...

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 14, 2010 8:39 AM
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um... Jordan was drafted in 1984 and didn't win his first championship until 1991. For those that are counting, that's 7 seasons of getting whipped by the Pistons.

so let's not call Lebron a flop so soon.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | May 14, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Alouttes GM? So that would mean he was the guy that brought in Ricky Williams during his, um, "personal odessey"?
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No, Ricky Williams signed with Toronto when he played there. Popp is from Carolina tried coaching and was a flop at it with the Alouettes. Being a CFL GM is far different than NFL. Half the players must be Canadians, then all you have left to sign are NFL cuts or those who can't make a NFL camp. Plus players on a NFL practice squad earn more money by double than the average CFL player makes. Completely different scenario,

Posted by: badgerb | May 14, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Alouttes GM? So that would mean he was the guy that brought in Ricky Williams during his, um, "personal odessey"?

Sounds like a quality hire...just hope it doesn't rule out Doug Williams for a gig here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2010 7:10 AM |


Actually Tricky Ricky played for the Argos in the CFL. I live near Toronto and had to put up with hearing his name every other minute.

Posted by: scoot21 | May 14, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I enjoy the jokes, they reflect what the Redskins have been for the past few years. I have one argument that most CFL Fans will agree-Excellence.... 149-84-1 18 straight playoff appearances, 14 division championships, 7 Grey Cup appearances, 3 Grey Cup championships. Hired 4 different CFL coaches of the year, two won the title twice under his management. Quite a few CFL players could fill in 45-53rd positions on the Redskins and cover up some horrible past drafts... Laugh as you may, but the fans in Baltimore might remember the CFL team that he assembled from scratch. Four CFL Hall of Famers and two more coming from his 18 years. He is consistently excellent. I coached with him when a little 1-aa school that Navy, Army and South Carolina fans might remember... the underdog ...that beat them(The Citadel from 1988-1990)....Which is when I coached with him. He will make an awesome addition, in whatever title that he assumes.

Posted by: GMac62 | May 16, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

From a Baltimore Blog:
"When O.J. Brigance joined the Miami Dolphins after the 1995 CFL season, he wasn't the only Baltimore Stallion galloping out of town. Nope, there was an entire posse (not to be confused with the Canadian Football League's infamous Las Vegas Posse). But 12 of Brigance's Stallion teammates didn't just leave town -- they left the country."

The Colts, CFLers, Stallions -- take your pick, really -- moved to Montreal and become "Les Alouettes." Only one man with Stallion ties remains with the Montreal organization -- the man who put it all together, general manager Jim Popp.

Posted by: GMac62 | May 16, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

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