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Zorn on the Locker Room, Rookies, and a Bubble

Jim Zorn touched on several topics with the schlubs today, including the Portis blowup.

As for the state of his team and his locker room, Zorn praised his team captains and leaders, and how they manage the club. He said they should be "proud" of the way the players operate. "They take care of the locker room," he said of his captains and added that the effort of players in meeting rooms and on the field continues to be superb.

"I'm not begging for effort or anything like that," Zorn said.

As for the young pass catchers, Zorn said Devin Thomas must continue to perfect the depth of his routes and his breakpoints, but is making strides. He said rookie tight end Fred Davis is getting better in practice and with the scout team, but needs to get better on special teams. "Part of his activation is all based on special teams," Zorn said, channeling his inner Yogi Berra.

With rain forcing a change in the day's schedule, I asked Zorn about his desire for a practice bubble, something he spoke about back in the summer.

Zorn said he can't really speak to that issue - he doesn't run the team or write the checks, obviously - but said that "eventually" he hoped to have an indoor facility. Given the state of the economy, he added, "I don't know if it's going to be in the cards." It remains on his wishlist, though.

Zorn said that weather like this "hinders the flow of the day," but it's not too difficult to adjust and he praised the work done to keep the field in good condition.

Zorn continued to express support for kicker Shaun Suisham, when asked about his struggles in the second half of the season.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 11, 2008; 2:28 PM ET
 
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LAST!

Posted by: dante232 | December 11, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

WHAT ABOUT CINCINATTI??

THAT IS OUR NEXT OPPENNENT! ZORN HAS BEEN SIDE TRACKED BY THE SCHLUBS!

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Zorn was willing to throw a rookie punter and a franchise RB under the bus, but refuses to call out Swissham for his last place effort...........

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:

"Four days after spraining his left knee, right tackle Jon Jansen was back on the practice field. He took limited work, but he could play Sunday at Cincinnati"

Any chance that JC kicks him in the knee just to remover any chance?

"perfect the depth of his routes and his breakpoints"

Just throw the kid the friggin ball....stop expecting him to be PERFECT.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

ZORN HAS BEEN SIDE TRACKED BY THE SCHLUBS!

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 2:19 PM

Zorn's not sidetracked -- the schlubs are. Zorn's got the team practicing for Cincinnati. The Schlubs can only think about an indoor facility because they don't like working ouside in the rain.

Can't say that I blame them buy yeah they don't keep their eyes on the prize, do they?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 11, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Anyone read Sally Jenkins' column yet? It's quite possibly the worst column she's ever written.

Seriously, I know this isn't the forum for this, but Jenkins hates the Redskins so much, she's willing to distort her own perception of reality to write a column.

I've read articles that I've fervently disagreed with before, but I've never read a column in the post that insulting to the readers.

She makes no valid points. The article had no redeeming qualities. That was -- not exaggerating -- the worst thing a columnist for the post has EVER written.

Anyway... Go skins, Go JLC, blah blah blah...

Posted by: redskins91 | December 11, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

About now, you have to blame Zorn for not getting our freshman playmakers on the field.

We have the best TE in all of College Football last year. We have the best athletic WR coming out of college last year. And we have the best pro-ready WR coming out of college.

Quit it. Just quit it......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I know people dont like SUggs in our system but he might be flirting with us, rember a couple of days aga when Jason wrote that thread about him getting booed at the wizards game, well guess who was at the wizards game again tuesday night. thats right mr.suggs himself with no boos might I add.

Why does he come all the way from b-more if he is not considereing the skins somehow?

Just food for thought

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 11, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I with you DaReal. This is a huge game. Win and it fixes a lot of problems, places us in the thick of the playoff chase. Lose and this thing melts down.

Big game ... on many fronts

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"perfect the depth of his routes and his breakpoints"

The guys that are doing it right, Moss, Cooley, ARE, repeatedly get 7 yards on 3rd and 8.

This is perfect depth?

Posted by: bmo63 | December 11, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Forget a practice bubble, build a mini-indoor stadium for the team to use (think 2000-4000 seats) that way the danny can sponsor events (local school championships and the likes).

Dont use the economy as an excuse this team makes a ton of money!!!

Posted by: alex35332 | December 11, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

+++I think after Zorn reads all the blog entries from this week, he'll get the message. He's a smart guy.

Posted by: talent_evaluator+++

I assume this was sarcasm. Because if Zorn’s a smart guy, he’s not wasting he precious time reading blogs.

Posted by: TheCork | December 11, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This is perfect depth?

Posted by: bmo63 | December 11, 2008 2:29 PM

In Zorn's offense, IT IS! He admitted it to Doc Walker a few weeks back (Said he'd leave it to the players to get that final yard or 2)....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

+++On Oct. 22, offensive lineman Andrew Crummey was signed to Cincinnati's active roster from the Skins' practice squad. On Nov. 8 the Skins released depth corner Leigh Torrence, and two teams put in claims, with New Orleans, a team battling Washington for a final wild card spot, getting him.++++---JASNO

Now he’s just baiting us.

Posted by: TheCork | December 11, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually warming to the idea of trading Zorn to the Seahawks if you ask me, but I won't speak on that until after our next loss (If we have one).....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

+++Zorn continued to express support for kicker Shaun Suisham, when asked about his struggles in the second half of the season.---JASNO+++

Did any of the shlubs think to ask if having three different holders this year might have accounted for his problems. I know frequently changing holders was a problem for Ron Jeremy.

Posted by: TheCork | December 11, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

He does throw out that fishing line, doesn't he?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I assume this was sarcasm. Because if Zorn’s a smart guy, he’s not wasting he precious time reading blogs.

Posted by: TheCork | December 11, 2008 2:31 PM

Cork,

He's called a few of us at home to ask us to elaborate on some of the points we've made up here. Hasn't he called you yet?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 11, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Zorn = Norv II

Posted by: Masonman | December 11, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

+++Zorn was willing to throw a rookie punter and a franchise RB under the bus, but refuses to call out Swissham for his last place effort...........

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse
+++


Execllent point, DaReal

Posted by: cej75024 | December 11, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

cork, you spoke in a previous post about how the WCO does not work in the NFC East. Was wondering how you came to this conclusion.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

cork, you spoke in a previous post about how the WCO does not work in the NFC East. Was wondering how you came to this conclusion.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 2:37 PM

Maybe from watching Andy Reid's futile efforts with the WCO in Philadelphia?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 11, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

+++Zorn was willing to throw a rookie punter and a franchise RB under the bus, but refuses to call out Swissham for his last place effort...........

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse
+++


Execllent point, DaReal

Posted by: cej75024

While I agree....what is the actual point??

Clearly he's not immune to calling out his players, so where are you guys going with this?

Posted by: psps23 | December 11, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"perfect the depth of his routes and his breakpoints"

Just throw the kid the friggin ball....stop expecting him to be PERFECT.....


Posted by: BeantownGreg

couldn't agree more...get these kids on the field on a regular basis - nobody runs perfect or exact routes. they're fresh with a ton of talent ready to be utilized

Posted by: forever21 | December 11, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Question:

Who will be Jasno's next 'beat the dead horse' marginal guy that replaces Leigh Torrence (who replaced Derrick Brooks) as guy they let go off ... and shouldn't have?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Redskins91: Sally Jenkins' column was spot on. Her point -- not really too tough to catch on to -- was that even with some of Zorn's rookie mistakes, he remains the right guy for this team. She was saying he brings to the table all the things this team needs in a HC but that he needs 2 more things: time to grow and backing from Snyder. I don't always agree with her either but she was right on the mark this time.

Posted by: outsider6 | December 11, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

TheGreatOne, my harmless explanation is just that Suggs likes basketball and GOOD clubs (and I'm thinking Baltimore has neither).

[My conspiratorial explanation is that his time at the Verizon Center is to throw enemy operatives off the scent ... that he comes down to here to pick up his next assignment from Langley ... er, I mean the "Federal Highway Administration" ... ]

Posted by: dcsween | December 11, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

if your'e goin to the game and want to meet up for some Skins tailgating email me at lmgaffney at hotmail dot com

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 11, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Execllent point, DaReal


Posted by: cej75024 | December 11, 2008 2:36 PM

Thanks. Zorn still dosen't get it. You have to be consistent. He is not consistent.

I'm starting to believe he ruined Brooks' confidence with all that yelling in his face on national tv crap. Placky is doing the exact same, but not once did I see Zorn blow up in his face, no matter how many tipped/blocked/bad punts and/or holds he has had.

This is what the players are talking about......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Zorn was willing to throw a rookie punter and a franchise RB under the bus, but refuses to call out Swissham for his last place effort...........

Posted by: DaReal4th

I have to agree with you on that one. Swiss has suck and not one bad damn word from Zorn.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 11, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I will not waste my eyesight on the Sally Jenkins article. I don't care if they link it on the main home page or how many time the editors reference it in new posts.

It is also official that Jasno is having an affair with Leigh Torrence. He will just not shut the f up about him. Ridiculous.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | December 11, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

zcezce, if the Skins had and cut Derrick Brooks, I'd be beating on that dead horse for a while myself.

Posted by: dcsween | December 11, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

+++Just throw the kid the friggin ball....stop expecting him to be PERFECT....
.
Posted by: BeantownGreg+++

There's a term for this approach....right on the tip of my tongue...uh, oh, right, now I remember. "Interception."

Zorn is using coach speak for "the kid STILL HASN'T LEARNED the playbook in 14 weeks plus the entire preseason!!!"

That should not be an issue after 18 games (counting preseason). It is absolutely ridiculous.

They won't even be able to trade him if it takes him two years to learn an offense.

Moss, Randle El, Cooley, Yoder, Thrash, Betts, Portis all learned the new pass routes. If EVERYONE was running the wrong routes, I'd say, okay, it's Zorn's fault. But it's "the kids" who can't learn the routes.

Kelly is still running into his own players in the backfield and running fade pateterns five yards out of bounds.

Fred Davis apparently can't be bothered playing special teams.

Give them time? Nope. I keep thinking where this team might be if it had Jackson, Avery or Royal and TE Martellus Bennett instead.

.

Posted by: TheCork | December 11, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has to, he has to implement a different game plan this week, he's gotta roll JC out, gotta get the passing game going early, get the ball to Thomas early, and often as well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg

problem is JC sucks at throwing on the run. he needs to stop and wind up to throw. I watched Matt Ryan throwing from the pocket and while running. We'd love to have him here!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 11, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Our chances of making the playoff are so minimal(and what are we gonna do if we get there)we should play the rookies this week against the next to worst team in the NFL and see what they can do. It's been five months. If they don't know what to do by now they never will. And the Leigh Torrence fans need to stop. Only time I ever heard his name mentioned was when he got burnt deep or was called for a pass interference penalty.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 11, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

WCO requires players to run their routes extremely well. As for being a perfectionist when it comes to running a pattern, one guy stands out. He worked at it constantly. No one worked at it harder or did it better than Jerry Rice.

'nuff said.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Clearly he's not immune to calling out his players, so where are you guys going with this?

Posted by: psps23 | December 11, 2008 2:40 PM

Because the players see this and are talking amongst themselves regarding similar issues.

Like so many people have said, you have to realize you are dealing with 53 different personalaties and you can't treat them the same. Especially in front f the media......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Who will be Jasno's next 'beat the dead horse' marginal guy that replaces Leigh Torrence (who replaced Derrick Brooks) as guy they let go off ... and shouldn't have?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 2:40 PM

Two it WON'T be: Erasmus James, Justin Tryon. (And it was Frost, not Brooks, who preceded Torrence). Marcus Mason really let him down by not amounting to anything.

I'm guessing that any of these practice squad guys who sticks with a team -- especially Crummey if he starts next year in Cincy. Or, if Brooks eventually catches on, then Jasno will flip flop (again).

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 11, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

cork, you spoke in a previous post about how the WCO does not work in the NFC East. Was wondering how you came to this conclusion.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 2:37 PM

I know I said this on Monday.

Show me where a any east coast team was successful running a WCO outside of TB who still won their SB primarily because of their defense.

It's called a track record....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Our chances of making the playoff are so minimal(and what are we gonna do if we get there)we should play the rookies this week against the next to worst team in the NFL and see what they can do.
Posted by: vegasskinsfan

I disagree with everything still on the line once we're eliminated with nothing to play for but pride then put in the rooks but w/ a playoff berth still in the balance go with what got you to this point

Posted by: forever21 | December 11, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

We have the best TE in all of College Football last year. We have the best athletic WR coming out of college last year. And we have the best pro-ready WR coming out of college.

Quit it. Just quit it......

Posted by: DaReal4th

We also have statistically the greatest college QB to ever play the game. Maybe we should throw him out there too.

Posted by: psps23 | December 11, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

corky, sorry, did you have an answer for me regarding the WCO??

and know you're an expert on 'coachspeak' as you translate it??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the correction TE ... yes it was Frost that Jasno went on about, not Brooks. These guys hybridized in my mind and became Derrick Brooks. I'm thinking its because I'd rather have just one bad memory instead of two.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

DCSWEEN come on, were talking basketball and the wizards, I mean the wizards.

Nobody likes basketball that much to travel almost an hour to see the wizards. the wizards

the wizards players dont even like the wizards, only reason they show up is because they get a paycheck.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 11, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Question:

++Who will be Jasno's next 'beat the dead horse' marginal guy that replaces Leigh Torrence (who replaced Derrick Brooks) as guy they let go off ... and shouldn't have?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse ++


The thing is...this league ( as well as the NBA, MLB, NHL etc ) is filled with guys who bounce around for 1 or 2 teams until they find the right fit. The grabbing of the pearls because Torrance, Crummey, et al are gone is just the way it is.

Posted by: cej75024 | December 11, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

We also have statistically the greatest college QB to ever play the game. Maybe we should throw him out there too.

Posted by: psps23 | December 11, 2008 2:50 PM

I wasn't talking about statistics. I was refering to facts and what the 'expert' draft people thought.

Davis won the award for the top TE in the Nation. Thomas was labeled during the prep to the draft as the most athletic and a raw talent. And Malcom Kelly was labeled the most pro-ready.

Brennan just had stats, but in no where did I mention stats. No one said he is a 'ready' prdouct to hit the ground running in the NFL.

So quit it......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey talent_evaluator did you smell our "putrid" offense last week. How are all those stats working out for ya? Guess I was right after all, huh?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 11, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Our chances of making the playoff are so minimal(
Posted by: forever21 | December 11, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse++++++

Am I worng in this....( probably am!)

If we win out and

Dallas looses to NYG and /or Phil
and ATL looses to NO..we are in?

As I said, I'm sure to be wrong, but that doesn't seem sooooo out of the realm.

(Except for us winning all 3 !!! lol )

Posted by: cej75024 | December 11, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Davis won the award for the top TE in the Nation. Thomas was labeled during the prep to the draft as the most athletic and a raw talent. And Malcom Kelly was labeled the most pro-ready.

Brennan just had stats, but in no where did I mention stats. No one said he is a 'ready' prdouct to hit the ground running in the NFL.

So quit it......

Posted by: DaReal4th

obviously, those three aren't reay yet either! too sleepy, too sloppy, and too brittle!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 11, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

from Jasno's Q&A

"Yeah, the Skins score so many points that special teams doesn't matter at all. They're 1-3 since he (Leigh Torrence) got cut, too, if you're all about numbers.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes, all pass catchers in a WCo have a harder time to 'get it'. Think about how philly and sea always never seem to find the guys that fit.... or maybe they are from the horrible wr coaching tree of holmgren... but no real super stars on those teams from the WR position...

Posted by: Zeebs | December 11, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

++++cork, you spoke in a previous post about how the WCO does not work in the NFC East. Was wondering how you came to this conclusion.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg ++++

Decades of watching other systems work in the NFC East. LOVING the Riggo drill. Shuddering when guys named Barber ran behind massive Olines and shoved the ball down the Redskins throats. Watching Sunday's game. Never seeing an effective WCO offense IN the NFC East. Aware that although it's called "Global Warming" a better name is "Global Climate change" which means it can and will be cold as hell many weekends in December when runs work and passing doesn't.


Posted by: TheCork | December 11, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

MORE ON LEIGH TORRENCE:

Jason La Canfora: ( FROM TODAY's CHAT)
When a team cuts a useful player for no good reason - with so many others begging to be let go, but somehow not for mysterious reasons. Yeah, Erasmus James was getting in done in November, and contributing a whole lot more than a special teams ace who was quickly snapped up by multiple teams with waiver claims and had overtures from at least 5 other clubs had he cleared waivers. We'll see if James is claimed. Don't hold your breath.

Do you think this team is good and deep and talented enough to give away useful, young, improving players? Maybe they are.

I's' also go back and see how many punts have been downed inside the 10 since he left. It's on film. How many missed tackles on teams? How's that punt protection looked the past 4-5 weeks.
He's now making plays for New Orleans, and as one scout said, is one of the 3-4 best gunners in the NFL. Football's not always about stats and Pro Bowls, much as a shock as that might be.
Yeah, the Skins score so many points that special teams doesn't matter at all. They're 1-3 since he got cut, too, if you're all about numbers.

Posted by: Masonman | December 11, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I understand the Cult of Colt types to a degree, I mean all fans should be a little curious about what the kids potential is, but seriously you have to be high on the highest crack to want to bench JC.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 11, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

+++Cork,

(Zorn’s) called a few of us at home to ask us to elaborate on some of the points we've made up here. Hasn't he called you yet?

Posted by: talent_evaluator++++


Oh Noooooooo!!!! I feel dumber than that congresswoman who twice hung up on Obama. I thought it was a hoax. What’s his number? I owe Zorny running plays for Portis and some patterns so simple even a Redskin rookie receiver can learn them.

.

Posted by: TheCork | December 11, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

obviously, those three aren't reay yet either! too sleepy, too sloppy, and too brittle!


Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 11, 2008 3:01 PM

So is it Vinny's fault that ALL 3 of them aren't working to this point? Not one of them?

I think not, which goes back to my original point. This is on Zorn.

And please don't give me the Eddie Royal/DJackson/Any other small receiver example that dosen't mesh with this argument......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"no one runs perfect or exact routes. they're fresh with a ton of talent ready to be utilized"

That's not true. Lots of players run perfect routes. No, not every play, but they do.

I think that until Campbell and Zorn can be confident in the rookies' ability, they will continue to get minimal snaps... but if the last two weeks are any indication, that confidence isn't too far away.

Posted by: redskins91 | December 11, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

From RI November 8th, 2008, 12:46 pm:

"I'm about to cry," one Redskin said when informed that Torrence was on waivers. "Why would they let Leigh go? That dude did a good job for us and was only getting better. That doesn't make sense."
---------------------------

I can't believe anyone has forgotten THAT gem....lol

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 11, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

This dude JLC holds a grudge like a scorned woman


Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 11, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

We were 6-2. Now were 7-6, so what got us to this point? If he's gonna go back to what got us to 6-2 then fine. If Zorn is continue to be stubborn then he might as well play the rookies.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 11, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

WHAT ABOUT CINCINATTI??

THAT IS OUR NEXT OPPENNENT! ZORN HAS BEEN SIDE TRACKED BY THE SCHLUBS!

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't mean that JZ in side-tracked. He is responding to the schlubs. This means that the schlubs are side-tracked, asking about other things. I'm sure JZ and the team are focused on the Bungles. And they know that the Bungles played tough against both Gints and Iggles. So they have to be focused.

I'm not looking for a lot of gimmick plays this week. Maybe a reverse and some roll-outs. But basically we have to pound the ball this week. Next week we need more misdirection and change of pace.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 11, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Cork, how did philly win the east 4 years in a row not too long ago? What kind of offense were they running??

From the Redskins blog:

I had to run inside to take care of things a few times during practice, and it seemed like every single time I came back out, Fred Davis was doing something impressive: blocking, catching a ball, or even just showing some speed on routes. “I’m hoping to get some plays during the game this week,” Davis said. “I feel like I’m more in tune with it now, because when you play more you don’t just visualize it, you get to do the actions. That helps a lot more.” Coach Zorn complimented Davis again after practice, and said it looked like he was playing fast and “enjoying himself out there,” a sentiment that Davis agreed with. “It’s always fun when you’re playing, man. I love football.”

Not only Davis, but the rookie wideouts received some post-practice love as well, especially Devin Thomas, whom Zorn described as “definitely improving.”

The best news about practice today is that there were a lot more guys there. Returning to full practice were Randy Thomas, Pete Kendall, and Carlos Rogers, and for limited work were Jon Jansen, Todd Yoder, Kedric Golston. So that was an improvement over yesterday.

Possibly the only one, though — Chris Cooley, who described the weather today as “awful”, said that yesterday’s practice was one of the best in a long time. “Guys were moving well,” he said

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

How's that punt protection looked the past 4-5 weeks.

He's now making plays for New Orleans, and as one scout said, is one of the 3-4 best gunners in the NFL. Football's not always about stats and Pro Bowls, much as a shock as that might be.

Yeah, the Skins score so many points that special teams doesn't matter at all. They're 1-3 since he got cut, too, if you're all about numbers.


Posted by: Masonman | December 11, 2008 3:03 PM |

This too, written by JLaC, does not mesh. Leigh Torrence is a gunner.

Gunners have NOTHING to do with punt protection......

So, when people throw out statements like this, how can I listen to you?

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I think not, which goes back to my original point. This is on Zorn.

And please don't give me the Eddie Royal/DJackson/Any other small receiver example that dosen't mesh with this argument......

Posted by: DaReal4th

Zorn can only call the plays and schemes for the opponents. He can't catch the balls that hit M Kelly right in the hands, or make Thomas run better routes.
I do think it's time to see what Davis can do. Cooley is good, but not the best blocker, and he won't run away from any LB in the league!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 11, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

cej75024, I didn't say that about the playoffs that was vegasskinsfan. You're right there is still a legitimate shot at playoffs which is why I was arguing against vegasskinsfan post of playing the rooks this week.

Posted by: forever21 | December 11, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Give them time? Nope. I keep thinking where this team might be if it had Jackson, Avery or Royal and TE Martellus Bennett instead.

.


Posted by: TheCork

I am sure you are one of the same one that said that Rogers and look at him now. Give the kids a chance to grow. And it not like those above beat out anyone on their teams.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 11, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Give them time? Nope. I keep thinking where this team might be if it had Jackson, Avery or Royal and TE Martellus Bennett instead.
__________________________________

But they don't, so it's a moot point.

Ya gotta dance with the one(s) what brung ya.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 11, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

wasn't talking about statistics. I was refering to facts and what the 'expert' draft people thought.

Davis won the award for the top TE in the Nation. Thomas was labeled during the prep to the draft as the most athletic and a raw talent. And Malcom Kelly was labeled the most pro-ready.

Brennan just had stats, but in no where did I mention stats. No one said he is a 'ready' prdouct to hit the ground running in the NFL.

So quit it......

Posted by: DaReal4th


Pro ready?--runs a timed 40 yard dash for the scouts like a dump truck. Has a knee condition.

Best TE in football?--can't find his way even onto special teams in the real world.

Most athletic and raw talent--how many catches so far? Longest gain on a catch?
Has trouble running routes that resemble something in the playbook.

Posted by: driley | December 11, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

++++So is it Vinny's fault that ALL 3 of them aren't working to this point? Not one of them?

I think not, which goes back to my original point. This is on Zorn.

And please don't give me the Eddie Royal/DJackson/Any other small receiver example that dosen't mesh with this argument......

Posted by: DaReal4th++++


I WILL TOO give you that argument. First of all, Moss is physically fragile. Had hammy issues for years. HE needed a backup, not the never injured Cooley. So, why NOT Jackson/Avery/Royal?

Some people say "hey they didnt' beat out anyone" to start.

Somehow I THINK they might have beaten out James Thrash to start in Washington.

So in answer to your question do I think it's Vinny's fault. Yup.

He wears the hat. When the cattle don't amke it to market, he takes the fall.

And, if you are going with the "give them time" argument fine. But then you ahve to blame Vinny for the Taylor and Erasmus James mistakes, which have taken away 2nd, 6th and 7th round picks to help rebuilt with.

He has NO PLAN. Even bringing in Zorn was an accident. They brought him in to coordinate, remember? Then they thought lack of experience wasn't an issue.

I believe it's turned out to be.

Posted by: TheCork | December 11, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Who honestly thinks we have a LEGITAMATE shot at the playoffs? If we did we'd be talking about this weeks game instead of the draft. I hope I'm wrong but like I said,I think our chances are minimal.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 11, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Enough with the "precise routes" nonsense. Thrash runs perfect routes and he can't get open to save his life. Let the kids play.

And of course it's Vinny's fault. Why are we drafting tight ends in the second round when we DESPERATELY need help on O line, D line and LB.

Snap out of it.

Posted by: edvar | December 11, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

the skins definitely need to overhaul the d-line. daniels is old and will be coming off a career threatening injury at the start of his 14th year. carter is a nice guy but a bust. montgomery looks like tarzan but plays like jane. golston is the reincarnation of tim johnson, which is a good thing. jason taylor maybe too small to play de in the nfc east but bring him back for next year. alexander and the greasy meatball are hustlers and just filling roster spots until the next guy comes along. d evans is the super sub but not a legit starter. let's face is buzbee is just a feel good story about a local guy that has gone from the practice squad to the ir. e. james we hardly knew you (maybe they bring him back for ota's or next summer... who knows). wilson is a situational guy but excels on special teams (which is very needed.)griff just needs to get healthy and have a 330 or 340 pounder next to him to be more effective. and jackson is a project for the time being.

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 11, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I wish they would fire Suisham. I've been saying that for three or four years. The guys is just terrible.

Posted by: ecale25 | December 12, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

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