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Posted at 4:59 PM ET, 01/27/2011

Jim Zorn fired by Ravens

By Washington Post Sports

Jim Zorn's tenure with the Ravens is over. Baltimore has fired the former Redskins head coach after one season as the team's quarterbacks coach.

Details are on The Early Lead.

By Washington Post Sports  | January 27, 2011; 4:59 PM ET
 
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HIP HIP..

oh

Posted by: trousers | January 27, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

haha, should be fun reading the Zorn bashing on here

basically the same numbers all 3 years in bmore, w/ this year a lil better except took more sacks

thanks pro-football-reference.com

but i really dont care about the ravens at all


HAIL

Posted by: retroskins14 | January 27, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

F the Ravens.

Zorn should give Holgren a call or vice versa.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Big who cares.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | January 27, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

But neither here nor at The Early Lead do we find out why.

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 27, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2011/01/17/sports/nh3538796.txt

But here, at the News-Herald (above link), we hear that he might be offered OC at Cleveland, competing with "Dick Jauron and Dave Wannstedt".

Come on, this one-line reporting isn't cutting it.

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 27, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

worstseat- didn't see eye to eye with their OC (Cam Cameron). "There seemed to be communication issues between Zorn, Cameron, and Joe Flacco."

So much for staying medium.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Looks like a lot of turnover in Balt. The O-line coach was fired, Al Saunders fled west, now Zorn's fired....

This is what HC Harbough said less than 2 weeks ago: “I really like our coaching staff, top to bottom. There’s not a guy I’m disappointed in.”

Interesting how all the offensive assistants are fleeing or being dismissed, but the OC stays (Cam Cameron).

Posted by: Alan4 | January 27, 2011 6:04 PM | Report abuse

F the Ravens.

Zorn should give Holgren a call or vice versa.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 5:35 PM


Ironically, I think he'd be in the running for the OC job in Cleveland...if I'm not mistaken, I think they're still looking for one.

I never understood the Zorn-to-Baltimore move anyway...he had no prior experience with anyone on that staff and comes from a totally different offensive philosophy. Seems to me, that was doomed to fail from the start...kinda like Zorn's tenure in Washington...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

As Robbie Hart once said sarcastically:

Whoopdeedoo!

Posted by: p1funk | January 27, 2011 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News: Jeff Fisher out in TN

Wow...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

RE: McNabb covering Super bowl in dallas..


I mean really, why spend your offseason in a place where nothing good has ever happened to you?

Maybe he needs the money.

Posted by: zcezcest1 |

You're too smart for this to be anything other than sarcasm.

As you undoubtedly know, it's part of the process of preparing yourself for your post-NFL career. McNabb is well-spoken, smart, personable and has a nice future ahead of him as a broadcaster.

Should be particularly fun to watch him do Redskin games.

Posted by: TheCork | January 27, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News: Jeff Fisher out in TN

Wow...

Posted by: brownwood26 |

Just in time for Zorn to lob them a Resume.

Maybe their new coach would like to see Fat Albert back...

Posted by: TheCork | January 27, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow, not good enough to be a QB coach for a team with whom most considered was an up and coming star in Joe Flacco. It just makes the fact that some people at redskin park thought he was head coach material all the more baffling.

Posted by: Predator48 | January 27, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm shocked by the Fisher firing, not Zorn.

And BTW I am officially on the draft Cam Newton bandwagon.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Should be particularly fun to watch him do Redskin games.

Posted by: TheCork | January 27, 2011 6:28 PM


Are you kidding? Unless he stays here and wins a SB, there's a better chance of Sonny and Sam's jarred remains doing games in 2020 than McNabb...

As for Fisher, the timing of this is curious...there was word that the Niners would have been all kinds of happy to get him there and he probably would have gotten some looks from Denver and Cleveland. Unless somebody like Dallas or NYG dumps their coach to make room for Fisher, it looks like he doesn't have much choice but to sit a year out.

Should be interesting to see what direction TN goes in though...gotta think our old friend Greggggg Williams will be in the mix...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Fisher out...Does this mean Vince Young wasn't as much at fault, and that maybe we can sign him?? He'd be a bargain-basement Cam with proven NFL winnership..If he doesn't work out , there's always better Luck next year..

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Fisher out...Does this mean Vince Young wasn't as much at fault, and that maybe we can sign him?? He'd be a bargain-basement Cam with proven NFL winnership..If he doesn't work out , there's always better Luck next year..

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 6:40 PM


You're nuts...I'd rather have Vince McMahon at QB for us than Vince Young. At least VM's mental health issues are diagnosed...

I have an eery feeling that the Titans are gonna get Gregggg Williams to coach that team...he was the DC there when they went to the SB, and it would be the closest thing to a seamless transition they'll get. Too bad Jerry Gray and Al Saunders already have other gigs our it would be the '06 Redskins all over again...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Fisher out...Does this mean Vince Young wasn't as much at fault, and that maybe we can sign him?? He'd be a bargain-basement Cam with proven NFL winnership..If he doesn't work out , there's always better Luck next year..

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 6:40 PM


You're nuts...I'd rather have Vince McMahon at QB for us than Vince Young. At least VM's mental health issues are diagnosed...

I have an eery feeling that the Titans are gonna get Gregggg Williams to coach that team...he was the DC there when they went to the SB, and it would be the closest thing to a seamless transition they'll get. Too bad Jerry Gray and Al Saunders already have other gigs or it would be the '06 Redskins all over again...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Fisher out? Granted he's been there for an eternity but it's not like there a better coach currently w/o a job.

Gotta be more to this story...Unless of course Bud wan't one of the SB particpant's assistants.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 27, 2011 6:51 PM | Report abuse


Should be particularly fun to watch him do Redskin games.

Posted by: TheCork | January 27, 2011 6:28 PM


Are you kidding? Unless he stays here and wins a SB, there's a better chance of Sonny and Sam's jarred remains doing games in 2020 than McNabb...


Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 6:39 PM |
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I believe cork ment on nationally broadcasted games, not local, as in sonny and sam

Posted by: hessone | January 27, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Zorn fired.

Somewhere, Jason Campbell is nodding his head, knowing this was going to happen.

Somewhere, Vinny Cerrato is shaking his head, wondering what he was thinking.

Somewhere, Dan Snyder sits and tries to forget.

And all 3 realize that Zornstank doesn't come off easily

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Cue the Fisher for Haslett rumors..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Which may mean Vince is going to STAY for old Texas Bud, which will be either good or bad for the Skins draft, depending on whether we go QB or not..

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

zeke- actually the Raiders is a potential landing spot for Zorn.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

and we go back to the 4-3 and keep Haynesworth.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Too bad for Zorn. I liked him personally, just not as a coach. His time in this league is running out.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Which may mean Vince is going to STAY for old Texas Bud, which will be either good or bad for the Skins draft, depending on whether we go QB or not..

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 7:07 PM

schefter has already reported that VY will still be traded or cut.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

zeke- actually the Raiders is a potential landing spot for Zorn.

Posted by: Diesel44

Al Saunders, Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell -- all under the same big top. That'd be some circus ... and I'd have a pretty decent seat.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2011 7:19 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles still need a DC, maybe now Reid goes after Fisher.

There are no head coaching vacancies so he will either take a DC job or he will be working for ESPN.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 27, 2011 7:24 PM | Report abuse

"You're nuts...I'd rather have Vince McMahon at QB for us than Vince Young. At least VM's mental health issues are diagnosed..."


Si, krazy like De Fox, brownwood..But, there are plenty of headcases that have succeeded in the NFL, and the Skins have had more than their share of 'em (Manley, Riggo immediately come to mind)..

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Fisher sure seems like a guy who needs a year off. Some time away probably does him a world of good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Vince Young's departure depletes the available QBs at 10, possibly having Locker and Cam taken by then, which would free up the rest of the non-QBs to us..Kaepernick is my favorite behind Cam, who's baggage may make him prohibitive , anyway..Does Tennessee want to risk another V. Young headcase and draft Cam?? ...Locker, maybe..

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

The

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Usually the term 'pissing match' isn't a literal thing. Usually ...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/01/27/state/n050426S19.DTL

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2011 8:01 PM | Report abuse

The

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Too bad for Zorn. I liked him personally, just not as a coach. His time in this league is running out.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse
He was a nice person....But think he needs to stick with watching football.

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 27, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Usually the term 'pissing match' isn't a literal thing. Usually ...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/01/27/state/n050426S19.DTL

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

16 years as a head coach, no way he takes a coordinator job. He'll take year or two off and come back as a HC.

Posted by: clark202 | January 27, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: clark202 | January 27, 2011 8:29 PM

it was a joke

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I am so looking forward to about a million mock drafts between now and April.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Anyone want to make early bets on American Idol?

Maybe a mock draft for the top 12?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Anyone want to make early bets on American Idol?

Maybe a mock draft for the top 12?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 8:43 PM

I'll take the effeminate guy to edge out the annoying teenage girl.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding? Unless he stays here and wins a SB, there's a better chance of Sonny and Sam's jarred remains doing games in 2020 than McNabb...


Posted by: brownwood26 |

You're right, of course. I wasn't clear. I mean "do" redskin games like "Aikman" does. In other words, covering them for a network.

Posted by: TheCork | January 27, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 8:02 PM

Most recent post, in its entirety from scampbell1975.

Someone who lives near him should probably check his house. It's possible he's choked on his own bile.

Posted by: TheCork | January 27, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Okay, howz about McNabb to the Titans (they've got Moss) for their 2nd or 3rd??
All kindsa juicy playahs in that area...

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

(I'm just assuming that the Kyle VS. Donovan feud is unresolvable, of course)...

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

(I'm just assuming that the Kyle VS. Donovan feud is unresolvable, of course)...

Posted by: frak

As long as the sun keeps rising in the east, I think your assumption is safe.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn fired by Ravens

We said it last year, Zorn would make a fine college coach.

I mean, the college of hard of knocks is looking for someone to coach up the suckers life abuses on the regular.

And after losing two jobs in 1 year, I'd say Zorn knows a lot about that.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 27, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

So , when do we get the Monstah Truck Demolition Derby??..."When Various Industrial Mothuhf***uhs Collide"..

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse


(I'm just assuming that the Kyle VS. Donovan feud is unresolvable, of course)...

Posted by: frak

As long as the sun keeps rising in the east, I think your assumption is safe.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2011 9:01 PM

More like the coaching staff grew tired of poor play.....ahhhhhhhhhhhh nevermind.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Anyone want to make early bets on American Idol?

Maybe a mock draft for the top 12?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 8:43 PM

I'll take the effeminate guy to edge out the annoying teenage girl.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Good prediction Diesel, however I'm taking the almost too old for Idol single mother with a sob story.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

ih8- I'd hit that

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

ih8- I'd hit that

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Who wouldn't? There are some serious baby mamas on Idol.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse

The

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 8:02 PM

Most recent post, in its entirety from scampbell1975.

Someone who lives near him should probably check his house. It's possible he's choked on his own bile.

Posted by: TheCork | January 27, 2011 8:52 PM

Ridiculous isn't it. Damn computer...I hate Dell.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for Jim Zorn and wish him the best of luck in finding a new job either in the NFL or college ranks. With the circumstances as they were two years ago (i.e. Vinny and Danny) anybody selected to be the Redskins head coach would probably have suffered the same fate.

Thats why some assistant coaches turned down the job and others were lucky to leave this organization a few years back.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 27, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

The Pro Bowl is this weekend...so what?

The NBA All Star game is already being hyped...but without hype, why would the NBA exist?

The MLB All Star Game is...well, never mind.

MLS has an All Star contest featuring a group of players as anonymous as anyone is in all pro sports.

The NHL has an All Star contest...doesn't it?

The WNBA has an All Star contest called the Tranny Travelin' All Star Jam...or is it?

Today's poll:

Are All Star contests over-rated in our sports saturated, media-driven world?

a. yeah

b. maybe

c. repeat the question, please?

d. nope, I mean, yep

e. you must not have anything of interest worth posting, moe


We roll with 'e' as there just ain't nothing worthwhile to chat about, so I'm out.

G'nite.....

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 27, 2011 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Ah, the old "blame your computer for your brain jamming" ruse...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 27, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Moe-

Actually the NHL has a novel idea when it comes to their all star game. Two captains are picked and then the captains pick their team sandlot style.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

The

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 8:02 PM

Most recent post, in its entirety from scampbell1975.

Someone who lives near him should probably check his house. It's possible he's choked on his own bile.

Posted by: TheCork | January 27, 2011 8:52 PM

Ridiculous isn't it. Damn computer...I hate Dell.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I found the post in-depth and informative.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I found the post in-depth and informative.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 9:47 PM

It sure was better than a lot of SJK you read on here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I found the post in-depth and informative.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 9:47 PM

It sure was better than a lot of SJK you read on here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 9:50 PM | Report abuse

That's sad but true.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

CK is Cam Newton with more polish, more game tape, better arm, less red flags, and just as much upside. The other difference is that we could possibly get him in the 2nd instead of #10.

This a scout's take on the SR bowl.

Player Pos School Ht Wt Arm Hnd
Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada 6045 224 33 ¾ 9 5/8

Monday Practice Notes: Looked terrific all day. Threw the ball exceptionally well from the get go. Showed not only a strong arm but very accurate. Timing was sensational as well. Hit receivers in stride or had the ball well on its way as they were leaving their breaks. Needs work on his long throws but overall it was a successful day for Kaepernick.

Tuesday Practice Notes: Had another terrific day throwing the ball. Very accurate with good timing. Threw a terrific pass in scrimmage where he got the ball between three defenders into the receivers hands.

Wednesday Practice Notes: Another terrific day for Kaepernick. Made several tremendous passes, placing his throw(s) where only his receiver could make the reception. Showed a strong arm and passes had good speed. Less than a handful of wayward passes

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Ah, the old "blame your computer for your brain jamming" ruse...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 27, 2011 9:43 PM

I know, but it's all I could come up with.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

CK is Cam Newton with more polish, more game tape, better arm, less red flags, and just as much upside. The other difference is that we could possibly get him in the 2nd instead of #10.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I doubt he'll make it to the second round. Not a lot of good QB's this year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

The Big Four!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I doubt he'll make it to the second round. Not a lot of good QB's this year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 10:03 PM

Two weeks ago he was a 4th-5th RD prospect. At this rate he might go in the Josh Freeman range (teens but legal).

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Colin Kaepernick is a solid prospect. When it's all said and done, teams will be jockeying to position themselves to draft him in the second. He seemed to mature as a player last year in college.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- did you check out that website?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 10:20 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- did you check out that website?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 10:20 PM | Report abuse

RI: NFL Draft: Cam Newton or Jake Locker?

Some shtubs have raised on RI so-called "character issues" that they believe are a serious negative for Cam Newton. In the current article on ESPN that trashes the Steelers (ESPN has a lot invested in the concept of the Cows as "America's team"), the writer pauses to deliver this pearl of wisdom before he begins his Steeler beat down:

... the truth of the matter is, off-the-field character in the NFL has little or no effect on on-field performance. Heck, it might even be a detriment. As one respected NFL veteran told me, "You can't win in this league with 53 choirboys." The last time I checked, they weren't holding parades for 2-14 teams full of Boy Scouts.

Posted by: Yammerstein | January 27, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- did you check out that website?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 10:20 PM

hat's the website? I'll check it out now.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse

TWISI-

www.draftinsider.net

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

... the truth of the matter is, off-the-field character in the NFL has little or no effect on on-field performance.

Posted by: Yammerstein | January 27, 2011 10:30 PM

Unless, of course, they catch a suspension or a number.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 10:35 PM | Report abuse

CK is Cam Newton with more polish, more game tape, better arm, less red flags, and just as much upside. The other difference is that we could possibly get him in the 2nd instead of #10.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 9:57 PM |

RI is one place shtubs go to big up unheralded draft prospects.

Posted by: Yammerstein | January 27, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

"The Big Four!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975"

And that's where they'll hit you, scamp...

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

And that's where they'll hit you, scamp...


Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 10:42 PM |

I only have 2 bro...and they ain't THAT big.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 that's a good site. It'll be one of my go to sites during the combine.

BTW, I agree with you in that the Skins really needs a 3rd pick this year. There will be some good players pushed down the draft because of all the underclassmen in this draft.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm now taking suggestions for a vacation reading book.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2011 11:03 PM | Report abuse

zeke- Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game by Michael M. Lewis about the A's and its general manager Billy Beane.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm now taking suggestions for a vacation reading book.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2011 11:03 PM | Report abuse

what genre? I'm a horror buff myself. 999: a collection of short stories has some really good stuff, especially Joyce Carol Oates and William Peter Blatty.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm puttin' out there...

Some refuse to give Cam Newton love because he's black...this dude won the Heisman Trophy, went undefeated in the toughest conference in the country, won the national championship at Auburn and in JUCO...

...I'm not saying he'll succeed because he's black...I'm saying stop giving white QB's the benefit of the doubt (Locker, Kaepernick) and, as usual making the balck QB "show me".

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2011 11:29 PM | Report abuse

The cry of racism is the cry of the weak minded.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 11:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm puttin' out there...

Some refuse to give Cam Newton love because he's black...this dude won the Heisman Trophy, went undefeated in the toughest conference in the country, won the national championship at Auburn and in JUCO...

...I'm not saying he'll succeed because he's black...I'm saying stop giving white QB's the benefit of the doubt (Locker, Kaepernick) and, as usual making the balck QB "show me".

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2011 11:29 PM | Report abuse

It is kind of idiotic that everyone compares him to Young or JaMarcus Russell.

Toby Gerhardt got mad because everyone compared him to Riggo.( I wonder why?)

Gerhardt even said he tried to run like Corey Dillon.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 11:35 PM | Report abuse

If it helps ... favorite author is Sidney Sheldon -- a bit better than trash novels. Favorite book of all time is Honour Among Thieves by Jeffrey Archer -- though the other books he wrote were a mixed bag.

Also like Richard North Patterson, but I think I've read all of his stuff.

Fiction, with a good mix of history/politics.

But I'll definitely consider a good sports read.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2011 11:41 PM | Report abuse

"The cry of racism is the cry of the weak minded."

No, it's the cry of those of us who experienced the struggle first-hand here in D.C. for civil rights...Your kind would have 75% of the NFL still in shackles were it not for the sacrifice of the many...Wannabe jack-booted authoritarian thugs boot on the neck of humanity forever ain't cool..

What's really weird is that Grateful Dead hippie Walton's complete erasure from Big Corporate Media- he must have pissed 'em off...Good for him...

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2011 11:29 PM

Kaepernick is black. Don't teach your students this nonsense....OK?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Kaepernick is American...A MIX... like all you mutherf***uhs afraid of the DNA test...

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 11:54 PM | Report abuse

frak- is our president black? Aren't we all some sort of mix?

i against i.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 11:58 PM | Report abuse

"The cry of racism is the cry of the weak minded."

No, it's the cry of those of us who experienced the struggle first-hand here in D.C. for civil rights...Your kind would have 75% of the NFL still in shackles were it not for the sacrifice of the many...Wannabe jack-booted authoritarian thugs boot on the neck of humanity forever ain't cool..

What's really weird is that Grateful Dead hippie Walton's complete erasure from Big Corporate Media- he must have pissed 'em off...Good for him...

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 11:46 PM

I rest my case. Weak. This coming froma race of people that can claim the current President of the United States of America as "one of their own." What you fail to realize is that evryone has a struggle to overcome in life. For some it's racism, for some it's inferior intellect. For some iy's poverty, abuse, addiction, narcisism, egomania, etc., etc. Everyone that cries about racism or addiction or poverty in this country is just coping out and not willing to put forth the necessary effort to overcome their obstacles. You want to blame someone else for your shortcomings and/or laziness. If you lived in a third world country or something like that where they killed you for your beliefs then cry foul. Otherwise you're nothing but a loser perpetrating a lie. That includes you Frak.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 12:01 AM | Report abuse

frak- is our president black? Aren't we all some sort of mix?

i against i.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 11:58 PM

You must remember, as should I, that we are attempting to introduce logic to low functioning moron. He has to blame his shortcomings on everyone else because to accept his own failures would result in torrents of tears spewing from his hatefully twisted, malformed face.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Capitalist propaganda finds racism very useful for maintaining the class status quo (believe me, I'm ultimately a socialist capitalist who believes in the individual)..The indians tell us the Earth, the Rocks, the Water, all have consciousness, everything has consciousness..We're all conscious in varying ways, Earth-Indian ways, Earth-NASA ways, a representative of Congress once started out a speech, "Who speaks for the tropical fish??"...exactly...

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Capitalist propaganda finds racism very useful for maintaining the class status quo (believe me, I'm ultimately a socialist capitalist who believes in the individual)..The indians tell us the Earth, the Rocks, the Water, all have consciousness, everything has consciousness..We're all conscious in varying ways, Earth-Indian ways, Earth-NASA ways, a representative of Congress once started out a speech, "Who speaks for the tropical fish??"...exactly...

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 12:10 AM |

Your freakin' liberal "depend on the gov't for your lives" power mongers are the ones that exploit racism and the class status quo. A short history lesson spells out for you who the racists have always been. All your liberal welfare system has done is enslave the poor. It doesn't teach them anything, it doesn't give them the ability to become proud and self reliant, it keeps them coming to the bread line, head bowed, hat in hand for their handout. Ever heard the saying about teaching a man to fish. You are exactly the type of slave your representatives want.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Sir, if you are an official rep for the Post (and I've grown up with many Post writers close to my family, including Ben Forgey) , you are setting yourself up for a serious lawsuit, which I and my family are more than able to afford...

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Sir, if you are an official rep for the Post (and I've grown up with many Post writers close to my family, including Ben Forgey) , you are setting yourself up for a serious lawsuit, which I and my family are more than able to afford...

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 12:16 AM

You're cracked. Sue away.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Post, you allow this f***in' damage to be your moderator?? I would love to meet you somewhere, a**hole...

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Post, you allow this f***in' damage to be your moderator?? I would love to meet you somewhere, a**hole...

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 12:21 AM |

As would I retard. I'm not sure why you so vehemenently cling to the idea that I'm a moderator or work for this liberal rag called the Post. It just proves how slow you really are.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Guess I hit a nerve huh frakgot? Just so pissed off at "the man" cause you just couldn't get off your lazy ass enough to make something of yourself huh? It's everybody else's fault huh?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 12:32 AM | Report abuse

frak- I love you man...You're usually a breath of fresh air that I can comprehend but tonight you're stale.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2011 12:32 AM | Report abuse

A88hole, we're not f***in' idiots, we've seen you call beeps for the next RI article, maybe you're playing a nut and shell game with the ISP, you paid undercover tool, aaaa, who cares, the Post sucks nowadays anyway, and every old time DC resident has witnessed its right-wing sellout and demise...Enjoy your loser schadenfreude, protoNazi...

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 12:36 AM | Report abuse

A88hole, we're not f***in' idiots, we've seen you call beeps for the next RI article, maybe you're playing a nut and shell game with the ISP, you paid undercover tool, aaaa, who cares, the Post sucks nowadays anyway, and every old time DC resident has witnessed its right-wing sellout and demise...Enjoy your loser schadenfreude, protoNazi...

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 12:36 AM |


LO FRICKIN' L!!!. Om my god I called beeps I must work for the Post. What a phukin' idiot. I've been banned by this rag but I call beeps so I must work for them. Your family must be very proud.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 12:39 AM | Report abuse

frac's off his meds again tonight. It is the end of the month, the Welfare check will be there soon frac.

Posted by: msrent | January 28, 2011 12:40 AM | Report abuse

right-wing sellout and demise...Enjoy your loser schadenfreude, protoNazi...

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 12:36 AM

Right wing...Nazi. Anybody else see the irony? Nazi's were SOCIALIST. Lefties. You just aren't smart at all.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 12:42 AM | Report abuse

frac has few moments of clarity up here. He's mostly a rambling nutjob. He needs more Obama supplied meds.

Posted by: msrent | January 28, 2011 12:49 AM | Report abuse

wow, I guess any reading material beats tonight's conversation

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2011 12:54 AM | Report abuse

democrats.senate.gov/reform/patient-protection-affordable-care-act-as-passed .pdf
Here's the law we need to get rid of. God help you frac when we do.

Posted by: msrent | January 28, 2011 12:55 AM | Report abuse

You New Post/CIA losahs are doomed to Apocalypse with your wannabe authoritarian crack-the-whip...Its all about keepin' the Elites on top, but guess what?? That tidal wave in the Middle East isn't a flesh-wound, Gatekeepah, it's comin' down, find an estuary, lower your Nazi ambitions and ADAPT.../

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Zeek, indeed. Though check out page 807 of 906 for the funding for the relief aircraft carrier, Ooops, they forgot that one. Good night and may God bless.

Posted by: msrent | January 28, 2011 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Ah ... white men suck! That is all.

Posted by: Risa_L | January 28, 2011 1:04 AM | Report abuse

The American Welfare state is 3% of the Imperial Defense Budget..It's all a rig, scamp, and you're just working for Big Brother...Warmachine Flavor Of The Month?? I'm sure they'll blame Al-Qaeda for the popular uprisings against the installed Globalist tools in the Mideast...

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Alright Frak. You lost me bro. I have no idea what you're off on now but it'll be alright man. This is America and you can be what you wanna be. Lay off the conspiracy theory and take a Xanax or a Valium. No one's out to get you and yours...you're not that important. Relax, take a deep breath and get some sleep...you obviously need it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 1:17 AM | Report abuse

I like frak. He's got a good taste in music and 95% of the time I enjoy his posts. I'm no gauge tho, I like most.

I've always said I would buy frak a beer or 12 but at a neutral site...I'm not crazy.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2011 1:19 AM | Report abuse

MOtherf***er, scamp, as always, it's you rightwing motherf***ers that push the buttons and then cry Foul when their sh*t is called...I know that Diesel and scamp are the same loser sitting at a keyboard for the Post/CIA, look, you got good knowledge about the NFL wars, Rambo, stick to that, and shut your pol;itical hole...por favor...

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 1:31 AM | Report abuse

I think Frak has good taste in music too I just think he's lost his mind. If the dude hadn't made it a point to attack me for 3 weeks straight when I never said a word to him I would leave him alone now. Alas, it's too late. He's made his bed and now he must lie in it...however filthy and outdoors it may be.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 1:32 AM | Report abuse

MOtherf***er, scamp, as always, it's you rightwing motherf***ers that push the buttons and then cry Foul when their sh*t is called...I know that Diesel and scamp are the same loser sitting at a keyboard for the Post/CIA, look, you got good knowledge about the NFL wars, Rambo, stick to that, and shut your pol;itical hole...por favor...

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 1:31 AM |

I tell you what, you keep your insane filth to yourself and I'll leave you alone. You keep runnin' your blow hole and you'll keep getting what you get. As far as crying fowl when my sh!t get's called, what the phuk are you talking about? The only crying going on around here is from you b!tch. You wanna keep it to football? That's fine with me, next time I make a comment keep your dick beaters off the keyboard and you won't have to read your life story being poured out by my fingertips. Let's not forget, you decided to wage this war when i made a comment about the weak crying racism. That sh!t used to have some sway but there is too many opportunities in this country to use that garbage as a cop out these days. Get the phuk over it...you know my ancestors were slaves at one time too. You here me sandy vagin' it every chance I get.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Your memory is fading frak. I've given good music your way...you've given it back. We've been talking bad football and good music for 2+ YRS..........

Quit the drugs bro.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2011 1:42 AM | Report abuse

I never talk poltics...Get off the ledge frak.

i against i.

RI intervention.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2011 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Zorn has been scapegoated two years in a row. As a Redskins fan, I watched ownership hire him as head coach, saddle him with a tired old coaching staff, take away what little power he had, humiliate him publicly, then fire him as though he was the problem. He was not the problem. He took the high road through it all and maintained his professionalism. In 2010 they hired Shanahan and McNabb and still finished last. The Redskins are a train-wreck. The Ravens had a successful season in 2010 but Zorn gets the blame because they couldn't go deeper in the playoffs? It just doesn't make sense. The Ravens have always been an offensively challenged team, and anyway Zorn was only the QB coach, so it's not his fault. I wish him well. Maybe it is true that nice guys finish last.

Posted by: scg1055 | January 28, 2011 2:00 AM | Report abuse

ok, so this is completely off topic, but it is really ticking me off how so many of the posters on this blog are talking about prospects.
people are saying cam newton has no decision making skills, and that he falters under pressure. good job! you listened to what mel kiper or todd mcshay said and regurgitated it onto the computer! oh wait, you watched the national championship game, did you? You're right, that one game says everything about cam newton.
what about the other 13 games against some of the toughest opposition in the NCAA? i don't necessarily like cam newton, and I don't want the skins to draft him (OLB please), but you can't deny that he is an absolutely amazing football player. He is not just a tuck and run guy at all like some of you say, he makes tons of decisions in the pocket, and if things aren't looking good, he runs for a first down at the very least. I guess what I'm trying to say is please stop making dumb assumptions about some of these draft prospects that are not true.

Posted by: ddrcoaster | January 28, 2011 2:44 AM | Report abuse

there are plenty of headcases that have succeeded in the NFL, and the Skins have had more than their share of 'em (Manley, Riggo immediately come to mind)..

Posted by: frak | January 27, 2011 7:25 PM

In case you haven't noticed, Manley and Riggo weren't QBs.

Your QB isn't supposed to be some quirky weirdo that rides around town acting like he's about to off himself. He's not supposed to kirk out on the coach after a loss. He's supposed to be the leader of the team and the guy who navigates you thru that kind of crap, not the guy that puts you thru it. The only way VY quarterbacks a SB team is if the defense is epic and the ground game is solid...i.e.-he's along for the ride and not "leading" the team to a title.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 5:24 AM | Report abuse

Wow...I half expect to see frak and scamp on YouTube later with their wrists tied together for a knife fight to the death...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 5:28 AM | Report abuse

Scampbell...

We usually agree and I respect your opinion, but I'm not, nor have I ever suggested that racism is a "copout", but it does exist and I'm saying that there are some on this board that would rather draft Locker than Newton who is a proven winner. Will he be a good pro....who knows maybe not, but some would rather take their chances with a white QB who had a poor senior season, than a black one who won everything possible.

Personally, I'm not in favor of Newton because he's black and I'm black. I just know that Locker is getting way to much benefit of the doubt from some folks that he hasn't earned.

...to tell people to "move on" as if racism in sports no longer exists and cannot be discussed is the very thing that frustrates folks.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 28, 2011 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2011 11:29 PM

Kaepernick is black. Don't teach your students this nonsense....OK?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 11:50 PM | Report abuse

What I teach my students and what I believe are two different things. I teach my students that they can overcome anything with a solid education....that is also my personal belief, but what I don't tell them is that despite those that like yourself that would like to dismiss it, racism AMONG ALL RACES of people still exists.

Now back to football!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 28, 2011 6:05 AM | Report abuse

I feel a little sorry for Zorn. He came to the Redskins as OC and ended up as Head Coach. From that point on he was screwed.

Expecting a guy who has never installed an offense to take over the head coaching duties whilst still installing that offense was doomed to failure.

Getting saddled with Blache would have been no picnic either. It is hard to imagine that Blache found it easy having to work under someone who had never served as co-ordinator. Harder still to believe that a first time head coach wouldn't struggle when he had to cope with a DC so stubborn that he was ready to willfully misuse star players.

Plugging Jason Taylor (under 250lbs, after an off-season of celebrity ballroom dancing) into the run stopping role vacated by the injury to Daniels (around 300lbs, offseasons spent competing in powerlifting competitions) verged on vandalism.

Blache followed that up by mimicing the ownership and saying that Haynesworth wouldn't have to play with gap control resposibilities he typically gave to DTs. Then of course, he changed his defense not one iota, and got into a pissing match with Haynesworth because he expected him to play the same gap controlling role he always expected from his DTs.

Haynesworth is poor player. Great athletic potential, terrible character. However, there is no doubt, he was told that the Redskins would use him in the same way as the Titans had. Haynesworth was naieve to believe them. The 'Skins were naieve to believe that failing to keep a promise to someone who is essentially a spoiled child wasn't going to cause massive problems.

The real problem though was he was stuck with a roster full of veterans on contracts that prevented them from being fired. Of course he couldn't control Portis. He had absolutely no leverage. Portis's contract made him untouchable whilst the salary cap was in place. Sure, Clinton came back and worked hard this year. It is the final guaranteed year of his contract. As much as disciplinarian as Mike Shanahan is, he also had a much stronger hand to play with veteran players.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 28, 2011 6:09 AM | Report abuse

You know it's slow on the blog when we take time to eulogize Jim Zorn AGAIN...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 6:23 AM | Report abuse

WeNeedLineman...

I agree with all you said, but Haynesworth took the money and knew we were running a
3-4. You take the money...you play where they want you.

No sympathy from me.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 28, 2011 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Expecting a guy who has never installed an offense to take over the head coaching duties whilst still installing that offense...

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 28, 2011 6:09 AM

Is what we normally call a rare opportunity. Few men get a chance like this. Zorn wasn't up to the job. Other coaches would be, but Zorn wasn't. The cream rises to the top, but in Jim Zorn's case, shti floats.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 28, 2011 6:30 AM | Report abuse

So I get up this morning to check the news and peak at this tard party and what do you know...Scamp works for the post and Frak hears voices.

I always thought scamp was objective....A LITTLE TOO OBJECTIVE!!

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Geez, did the frak/scamp war shut down the blog or something?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Probably not the best way to jump start the blog, but here's John Clayton defending his assinine QB ranking system:

Q: A few weeks ago you wrote an article ranking the league's QBs in different classes, with "elite" being the highest class. You ranked 12 QBs in the elite class, 37.5 percent of the number of teams in the league. According to Merriam-Webster's online edition, elite is defined as "top of the class." I don't know what school you attended, but being better than 62.5 percent of your classmates does not get you honored as "top of the class." I'd say being in the top 5 or 10 percent would get you elite status. That means two to three QBs. Maybe next time you should just go with The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, or something clever and correct.

Bryan in Mt. Airy, Md.

A: If an elite quarterback is an A student, then why can't you have 12 A students in a class? Twelve teams make the playoffs. Normally, 10 of those teams have A students at QB and I'm trying to identify the A students. Those teams with the C students are the ones drafting in the top 10 of most drafts.
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Once again, Clayton is in the right church and the wrong pew...using his same school scenario, "elite" QBs aren't A-students, they're supposed to be the valedictorian. So unless he's saying everyone that gets an A should be valedictorian, then his use of the term "elite" is just as off base as ever.

The emailer is 100% right...you can't label damn near 40% of the league's QBs as elite. Either your use of the word is wrong or your criteria for "elite" is wrong. Either way, he needs to go back to the drawing board with those rankings...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 8:11 AM | Report abuse

The cry of racism is the cry of the weak minded.


moe: Weren't you once a criminal defense lawyer?

mrsmoe: Yes, death penalty defense was my specialty.

I've represented counltess men sentenced to die for killing one race but not the other.

moe: This white guy says that only weak people cry racism.

mrsmoe: Well, obviously, he's never had a white cop shove a gun in face and call you the N-word like you have twice in your life.

Or hear people mock the history of the death of 6 million people in death camps.

Or been steered out of a neighborhood where you've tried to buy a house.

Or told that because you're Asian, you're smarter than everyone else.

Or sent his kids to school where white teachers show movies all day because they don't think the black kids can't learn.

Or been the victim of a crime just because a group of young black dudes saw your whiteness as weakness.

Or offered a job washing dishes in a restaurant when you tell the manager you're an experienced waiter.

Or given a job because some horny boss tells you you're hot during the interview.

Pretending there is no bias or hate in America is the way so many Americans-black, white, brown, yellow--live through their days.

And that is what's weak.

Give up the hate and move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Q: A few weeks ago you wrote an article ranking the league's QBs in different classes, with "elite" being the highest class. You ranked 12 QBs in the elite class, 37.5 percent of the number of teams in the league. According to Merriam-Webster's online edition, elite is defined as "top of the class." I don't know what school you attended, but being better than 62.5 percent of your classmates does not get you honored as "top of the class." I'd say being in the top 5 or 10 percent would get you elite status. That means two to three QBs. Maybe next time you should just go with The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, or something clever and correct.

Bryan in Mt. Airy, Md.

A: If an elite quarterback is an A student, then why can't you have 12 A students in a class? Twelve teams make the playoffs. Normally, 10 of those teams have A students at QB and I'm trying to identify the A students. Those teams with the C students are the ones drafting in the top 10 of most drafts.
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Once again, Clayton is in the right church and the wrong pew...using his same school scenario, "elite" QBs aren't A-students, they're supposed to be the valedictorian. So unless he's saying everyone that gets an A should be valedictorian, then his use of the term "elite" is just as off base as ever.

The emailer is 100% right...you can't label damn near 40% of the league's QBs as elite. Either your use of the word is wrong or your criteria for "elite" is wrong. Either way, he needs to go back to the drawing board with those rankings...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 8:11 AM

What you, and the writer, both missed is that there are 96 QBs in the NFL -- three per team. With 12 elite QBs, this is 1 in 8. I have no problem with saying that one in eight NFL QBs is elite. You and the guy who wrote the question ought to move on to something relevant like, say, whether Jim Zorn got the shaft from Baltimore.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 28, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Well done, Moe. Well done indeed.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know how Aaron Rodgers or big ben did on their Wonderlic Tests when they were coming into the NFL?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 28, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Everyone say "Von Miller"....hopefully he will be there at #10.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 28, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Doug MacRay: I need your help. I can't tell you what it is, you can never ask me about it later, and we're gonna hurt some people.
[Jem pauses to think for a moment]
James Coughlin: Whose car are we gonna take?

thats all I got, the scamp/frak fight was a good read, entertaining to say the least this morning....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait to see how he messes up the team colors of the new team he signs with! He was a NERDY dive ass coach anyway! Good guy though.....

Posted by: monk811 | January 28, 2011 8:34 AM | Report abuse

All I want to know is who will throw seat cushions at Flacco now?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Z wasn't good enough to be a QB coach with the Ravens but our owner thought he was worthy of being a HEAD COACH?

Danny, please sell the team, you are pathetic.

Posted by: kone | January 28, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Z wasn't good enough to be a QB coach with the Ravens but our owner thought he was worthy of being a HEAD COACH?

Danny, please sell the team, you are pathetic.

Posted by: kone | January 28, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

What you, and the writer, both missed is that there are 96 QBs in the NFL -- three per team. With 12 elite QBs, this is 1 in 8. I have no problem with saying that one in eight NFL QBs is elite. You and the guy who wrote the question ought to move on to something relevant like, say, whether Jim Zorn got the shaft from Baltimore.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 28, 2011 8:24 AM

Nice try, dude...but the rankings are based on STARTING QBs, so unless you know of teams employing the Spurrier brand of QB switcheroo, this applies to slightly over 32 players. So again...out of 36 players, you can't realistically tell me 13 are "elite".

Review for yourself:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5972554

Any system that puts Eli Manning in the same classification as Peyton Manning is completely wrongheaded...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

All I want to know is who will throw seat cushions at Flacco now?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2011 8:35 AM

Seems to me that what confused JC and Flappo is that there weren't actually things thrown at them in the games?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Everyone say "Von Miller"....hopefully he will be there at #10.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 28, 2011 8:33 AM


Apparently, you missed the great debate on him from yesterday...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 8:46 AM | Report abuse

All I want to know is who will throw seat cushions at Flacco now?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2011 8:35 AM

Seems to me that what confused JC and Flappo is that there weren't actually things thrown at them in the games?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 8:46 AM
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No, it was just that the things that were hitting them turned out to be a lot tougher than those seat cushions.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

stu27 will be up here in a minute telling us how von miller=harrison/dumerville

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

No, it was just that the things that were hitting them turned out to be a lot tougher than those seat cushions.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2011 8:52 AM

Could be...but I think they were looking around for the seat cushions.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 8:57 AM | Report abuse

the rankings are based on STARTING QBs, .

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 8:42 AM

The RANKINGS are of starting QBs because those are the only ones what Clayton is in a position to rank. How's he gonna rank all 96?

Anyway, your concern over whether there are 12, 8, or 4 "elite" QBs in the league smacks of debates over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. If Clayton said 800 you would be arguing for 260 or 26,000. I don't know which, but I know you wouldn't let him get away with 800.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 28, 2011 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I don't know which, but I know you wouldn't let him get away with 800.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 28, 2011 8:58 AM

Trick question...its infinity, right?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 9:01 AM | Report abuse

No, it was just that the things that were hitting them turned out to be a lot tougher than those seat cushions.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Try midgets next time Zorn. Where's the Lollipop Guild when you need them?

Posted by: monk811 | January 28, 2011 9:01 AM | Report abuse

" Nazi's were SOCIALIST"

Yeah, like the Army is socialist..Just another hijacked word like "Neoliberalism"..The galactic community chased your shapeshifting alien reptilian Illuminatti Bushes to hide out here on this planet, where they lie and rape and stripmine the Earth behind the cover of words like "Freedom" and "Merica" to this day..

How bout them 'Skins??

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

but Haynesworth took the money


Taking the money wasn't the issue.

Not being a team player was.

And perhaps the silver-lining for us in the Jeff Fisher termination is that AH's return home to Tenn. probably won't happen.

He might just be redskin next Fall, the way things are trending--I mean, who'd take him off our hands seeing how he won't make himself fit what they want him to do?

Too, given the depth of defenders in the draft, who'd part with picks for a prick?

Maybe some offseason reflection and career analysis on all of this will make Prince Al come to his senses and play next year like he's capable of.

But again, to come to one's senses implies that you have them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Anyway, your concern over whether there are 12, 8, or 4 "elite" QBs in the league smacks of debates over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. If Clayton said 800 you would be arguing for 260 or 26,000. I don't know which, but I know you wouldn't let him get away with 800.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 28, 2011 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Was that Aquinas or Augustine? I don't remember which.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 9:07 AM | Report abuse

People are also raving about TCU's QB Andy Dalton. We could pick up OL/OLB/DL in 1st round and pick up Dalton in the 2nd.

Posted by: quinn3 | January 28, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Beep, I don't get why you're rushing to Clayon's defense on this...if I make a ridiculous statement like every A student should be valedictorian, you'd be the first in line telling me what an idiot I am. Clayton is doing the same thing and you're all but co-signing on his madness.

The first go-round with this I told you I like Clayton and think he's one of the very few truly knowledgable "insiders" there at ESPN ("elite", if you will). All I've said is that either he's lumping too many people in the "elite" category or he's using the term completely out of context. I'll wait for the part you don't get...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 9:09 AM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead

All I want to know is who will throw seat cushions at Flacco now?


You know like I do, Zorn will employed next Fall.

I mean, someone has to sell used cars.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

" Nazi's were SOCIALIST"

Yeah, like the Army is socialist..Just another hijacked word like "Neoliberalism"..The galactic community chased your shapeshifting alien reptilian Illuminatti Bushes to hide out here on this planet, where they lie and rape and stripmine the Earth behind the cover of words like "Freedom" and "Merica" to this day..

How bout them 'Skins??

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Correct, in Germany, socialist doesn't mean "liberal" like the right here think it does. Socialists in Europe can be conservative or liberal, because socialist is an economic principal not a cultural. Hitler's Nazi party, by political science standards is right wing culturally, hence the militarism/military state mentality, whereas left wing socialism usually requires keeping government power weak enough for the people to intimidate it ah la the French. There are a range of different maps that have this all charted, here is a simple version: http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/anarchism/ideomap.html

I have seen more complex ones that are more accurate, but for people who didn't graduate with any poli sci degree start there.


And that is why we should draft a QB with our first pick and a Guard with our second pick.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

People are also raving about TCU's QB Andy Dalton. We could pick up OL/OLB/DL in 1st round and pick up Dalton in the 2nd.

Posted by: quinn3 | January 28, 2011 9:08 AM


You mean the redheaded kid with a 5th round grade? You'd take him in Round 2? Is that a serious comment or was that tongue in cheek?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Is it me or is JZ a ringer for Peter North?

Plus, he loves tossing his big balls to the faces of his QB's.

Upon hearing the news that he'd been fired by the Ravens, JZ's immediate reaction was, "Gosh golly."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Will Allen expected to be cut by Dolphins

Jeff Fisher isn’t going back to Philly

2 headlines from PFT that are somewhat intriguing.

IIRC isn't allen a high draft pick?? Might be worth bringing him in, given the need with CR possibly leaving

Think Jerruh wish's that fisher was available when he was looking??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I looked up Elite in the dictionary.

The answer wasn't there.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Think Jerruh wish's that fisher was available when he was looking??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2011 9:22 AM

No, he's happy with the one that he got. Fisher's nothing special. Cowher, maybe, but not Fisher.

Watched The Town last night based on your strong recommendation. Loved it. Thanks for the tip.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 28, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

You take Cam Newton or Jake Locker in the 1st round.

One of these guys will be the next "Adrian Peterson, Aaron Rodgers...the list goes on" big playmaker we missed if we don't draft.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Zorn should just go become a scout.

He is not creative enough to coach at the NFL level, I could maybe see him having success at the Mid-Major level in the NCAA. Even there, I don't know how well he could coach up players.

But I could see him being a head coach at some small school in the Sun Belt.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2011 9:28 AM | Report abuse

" Nazi's were SOCIALIST"

Yeah, like the Army is socialist..Just another hijacked word like "Neoliberalism".

How bout them 'Skins??

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 9:05 AM

Except...they sort of named themselves. Nazi = "Nationalist Socialist Party". They were all just a bunch of lefties...and no, the U.S. Army isn't socialist...at all. Other than that, you were spot on and entertaining.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 28, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm puttin' out there...

Some refuse to give Cam Newton love because he's black...this dude won the Heisman Trophy, went undefeated in the toughest conference in the country, won the national championship at Auburn and in JUCO...

...I'm not saying he'll succeed because he's black...I'm saying stop giving white QB's the benefit of the doubt (Locker, Kaepernick) and, as usual making the balck QB "show me".

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2011 11:29 PM | Report abuse

It is kind of idiotic that everyone compares him to Young or JaMarcus Russell.


Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 11:35 PM | Report abuse

And why is it idiotic to compare him to Vince Young?

Big athletic scrambling QBs who won national championships running a spread option offense, but have questions about translating their skills to the NFL and questions about maturity.

People raised the same questions about Tebow last year (not maturity questions, but translating skills to the NFL), and he had even more experience than Cam, who basically played one season against NCAA competition.

And I don;t see a whole of people giving Locker the benefit of the doubt. All I keep hearing about is that his stock has dropped since last year.

Posted by: p1funk | January 28, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

IIRC isn't allen a high draft pick?? Might be worth bringing him in, given the need with CR possibly leaving

Think Jerruh wish's that fisher was available when he was looking??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2011 9:22 AM


I thought the same thing on both counts.

Will Allen would be a nice depth guy...considering the injury history, he'll probably be a low-cost signing and a textbook low risk/high reward kinda deal.

As for Fisher, I think he'd do better in Dallas than Garrett will...although I doubt that team wins anything of note as long as Jerruh runs the FO unimpeded...

Kind of a sidenote here, but who else thinks that Fisher is just a tad overrated? I've never seen so many people go ga-ga over a guy with a 5-6 playoff record...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

You mean the redheaded kid with a 5th round grade? You'd take him in Round 2? Is that a serious comment or was that tongue in cheek?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Someone really good is going to fall to us in the second round as well. We'll end up with someone like a Julio jones or Stefen Wyznewski. Dalton may be available for 1 of our 5th round picks.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 28, 2011 9:35 AM | Report abuse


happy friday RI peeps. in honor of playaction and his haiku, why not dumb ass tongue twisters. since I live in the country:

Six sick hicks nick six slick bricks with picks and sticks.


Posted by: hessone | January 28, 2011 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Except...they sort of named themselves. Nazi = "Nationalist Socialist Party". They were all just a bunch of lefties...and no, the U.S. Army isn't socialist...at all. Other than that, you were spot on and entertaining.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 28, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

And the Democractic party really believes in democracy, with all the work they do keeping 3rd parties off the ballot? The Republican party gives 2 S---'s about the republic when they lie about a reason for war? Come on, don't be a fool. EVERY party in the 30's claimed to be socialist, capitalism had completely failed at that point, calling yourself a capitalist in 30's Europe just got your butt kicked at the pub.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

As for Fisher, I think he'd do better in Dallas than Garrett will...although I doubt that team wins anything of note as long as Jerruh runs the FO unimpeded...

Kind of a sidenote here, but who else thinks that Fisher is just a tad overrated? I've never seen so many people go ga-ga over a guy with a 5-6 playoff record...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 9:32 AM |

The guy is way overated but the media likes him.

He had 6 winning season in 16 years and only made it to one SB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 28, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I expect Fisher to get a HC job within a week or 2. He's been 'the man' for so long that he won't lower himself by taking a coordinator job. He'll either be the HC somewhere or no coach at all.

Posted by: monk811 | January 28, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

You take Cam Newton or Jake Locker in the 1st round.

One of these guys will be the next "Adrian Peterson, Aaron Rodgers...the list goes on" big playmaker we missed if we don't draft.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 9:27 AM

Morning, Ih8! Two weeks, dude, two loooong weeks!!!!

Anyway, the problem with drafting these QBs is there are NO guaranteed playmakers. Hoping for a savior QB is not a winning strategy for a team with far too many holes. You don't want to be like Snyder and Vinny lusting after Cutler and Sanchez, while ignoring the Fat Boys.

Locker or Newton could be the next Rodgers or McNabb.... just like they could be the next Alkili Smith or Jamarcus.

Look at Sanchez.... when he's not wiping boogers on Brunell, he's posting a 75.3 QB rating for the year--lower than the one that got McNabb benched!

But he still gets to the playoffs thanks to a strong O-line, a decent running game, and the NFL's #3 defense.

Build a TEAM... and a QB will come.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

It is kind of idiotic that everyone compares him to Young or JaMarcus Russell.


Posted by: iH8dallas | January 27, 2011 11:35 PM | Report abuse

And why is it idiotic to compare him to Vince Young?

Big athletic scrambling QBs who won national championships running a spread option offense, but have questions about translating their skills to the NFL and questions about maturity.

People raised the same questions about Tebow last year (not maturity questions, but translating skills to the NFL), and he had even more experience than Cam, who basically played one season against NCAA competition.

And I don;t see a whole of people giving Locker the benefit of the doubt. All I keep hearing about is that his stock has dropped since last year.

Posted by: p1funk | January 28, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

For one, he is faster than either one of them, and a better paser.

Besides he is Cam Newton, not Vince Young or JaMarcus Russell.

Do you want people comparing you to pabrian just because you're negative?

Surely you have other attributes.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Try midgets next time...

Posted by: monk811 | January 28, 2011 9:01 AM
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That is just such an all purpose statement...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I expect Fisher to get a HC job within a week or 2. He's been 'the man' for so long that he won't lower himself by taking a coordinator job. He'll either be the HC somewhere or no coach at all.

Posted by: monk811 | January 28, 2011 9:37 AM |

That will be hard since there are no HC jobs available. He will work for ESPN this year, and will get a HC job next year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 28, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse


Some refuse to give Cam Newton love because he's black...

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2011 11:29 PM |
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...and some love him because he is black

Posted by: hessone | January 28, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

You mean the redheaded kid with a 5th round grade? You'd take him in Round 2? Is that a serious comment or was that tongue in cheek?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

You're right, I should have said a later round, not 2nd. Point is, we have options at QB with good depth in the draft.

Posted by: quinn3 | January 28, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I expect Fisher to get a HC job within a week or 2. He's been 'the man' for so long that he won't lower himself by taking a coordinator job. He'll either be the HC somewhere or no coach at all.

Posted by: monk811 | January 28, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Fischer would be a GREAT fit for a good Northern/Midwestern team. One that doesn't play in a dome and deals with snow. But I don't know of any teams in said region looking for a new coach off the top of my head.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I expect Fisher to get a HC job within a week or 2. He's been 'the man' for so long that he won't lower himself by taking a coordinator job. He'll either be the HC somewhere or no coach at all.

Posted by: monk811 | January 28, 2011 9:37 AM |

That will be hard since there are no HC jobs available. He will work for ESPN this year, and will get a HC job next year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 28, 2011 9:41 AM
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I think you're right but it is intriguing to think some team that was riding the fence about their head coach might say they have to jump on Fisher right away. Miami? San Diego? Houston?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

That will be hard since there are no HC jobs available. He will work for ESPN this year, and will get a HC job next year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 28, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I think you may be right. Scary thing is after next season, there is a chance that Tommy Boy may be out from the NJG's next season.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2011 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Some refuse to give Cam Newton love because he's black...

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2011 11:29 PM |
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...and some love him because he is black

Posted by: hessone | January 28, 2011 9:41 AM
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And everyone would love him if he was a midget...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

The guy is way overated but the media likes him.

He had 6 winning season in 16 years and only made it to one SB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 28, 2011 9:37 AM

I like Fisher and think he's a good coach, but the more I look at his numbers the less impressed I am...I mean, people crack on Marty but dude won 200 games and took garbage teams to the playoffs. Fisher had Steve McNair and only squeezed one SB trip out of it...I'm yawning.

Consider this: they were a wild card the year they went to the SB, which means 3 of his 5 career playoff wins came that year. So outside of that one SB run, he's got 2 playoff wins in 16 years.

I'm yawning some more.

He's got almost as many 8-8 seasons (5) as winning seasons (6).

Zzzzzzzz....

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse


Some refuse to give Cam Newton love because he's black...

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2011 11:29 PM |
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...and some love him because he is black...

Posted by: hessone | January 28, 2011 9:41 AM
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And everyone would love him if he was a midget...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 28, 2011 9:48 AM |
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...a midget that goes by the name of monk...

Posted by: hessone | January 28, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

alex35332 is a fellow George Orwell fan..Salut!!

The thing we love about Cam is his INSTANT championship quality, last two teams he showed up on he led to the mountaintop..Give that dude an o-line , a running game and a defense (like Alan said), and he'll take it straight to the top..

Providing he doesn't go all Travis Bickle in the club..

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

reskinhead

Miami? San Diego? Houston?

Outside of John Fox, most of the new coaching hires have been young guys like Tomlin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Consider this: they were a wild card the year they went to the SB, which means 3 of his 5 career playoff wins came that year. So outside of that one SB run, he's got 2 playoff wins in 16 years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 9:53 AM

Careful... outside of Shanahan's back-to-back SB runs with Elway, he's got 1 playoff win in 17 years!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"Give that dude an o-line , a running game and a defense"

thats the issue with drafting him frak, the redskins don't have any of these.....they need to focus on the lines this draft...build a foundation, THEN draft a qb...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

What looked like a stellar QB class going into the season -- certainly better than last year's -- got shuffled into uncertainty when three things happened. First, Jake Locker had that unexpectedly crappy senior campaign. Second, Andrew Luck went back to school. Third, Cam Newton had a season for the ages.

Now nobody seems to know what anybody's worth. It's an illusion. With those exceptions, things are about the same as they were at the start of the season.

Gabbert and Mallett are still the best remaining prospects; they simply switched places. Scouts now worry about Mallett's poor footwork, but it was bad before the season, too, when they rated him #1. Sam Bradford showed that a spread QB could transition to a pro offense, which gave scouts hope for Blaine. They're the only two QBs who might play a lot in their first NFL season.

Locker was never, repeat NEVER, a polished QB. He's actually improved a bit under Sarkisian. You'd have to be drunk in a hotel bar in Milwaukee, or Mel Kiper, to imagine he could step in and run your NFL team. At this point, his main assets are 1) sprinting away from the DE, and 2) throwing the ball out of bounds to escape a sack. Those are not going to win you a lot of games. He needs at least a season, and probably two, holding a clipboard.

Speaking of developmental QBs, try Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick. Cam's the more talented, Colin's more mature, but neither one is more than a backup at this point. Of course, Tim Tebow isn't even a real QB yet, and he went in the first. So anything can happen.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 28, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Consider this: they were a wild card the year they went to the SB, which means 3 of his 5 career playoff wins came that year. So outside of that one SB run, he's got 2 playoff wins in 16 years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 9:53 AM

Careful... outside of Shanahan's back-to-back SB runs with Elway, he's got 1 playoff win in 17 years!


Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 10:05 AM

As most Shanahan haters do, you gloss over the biggest difference like it's nothing...Shanahan has 2 championship rings. Fisher has a wedding ring...

I mean, really dude...you wanna compare Lombardi and Schottenheimer while you're at it?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The guy is way overated but the media likes him.

And just who are we talkin' about?

Adam Sandler
Jack Black
Bill Cosby
Justin Timberlake
Osama Bin Laden
frak
The Cookie Monster
Patrick Star
Keanu Reaves
Lenardo DiCaprio
P Diddy
Trace Adkins
Hitler
madmoe


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Scampbell...

We usually agree and I respect your opinion, but I'm not, nor have I ever suggested that racism is a "copout", but it does exist and I'm saying that there are some on this board that would rather draft Locker than Newton who is a proven winner. Will he be a good pro....who knows maybe not, but some would rather take their chances with a white QB who had a poor senior season, than a black one who won everything possible.

Personally, I'm not in favor of Newton because he's black and I'm black. I just know that Locker is getting way to much benefit of the doubt from some folks that he hasn't earned.

...to tell people to "move on" as if racism in sports no longer exists and cannot be discussed is the very thing that frustrates folks.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 28, 2011 6:00 AM

Heads up ricky, most of that stuff was directed at Frak. I am aware that racism still exists in football and in life. The comment about the "copout" was simply the suggestion that blaming ones problems or failings in life on it is weak.

Moe, my point was not that there aren't racist cops that will mistreat you but that to let them keep you from your own personal version of success is weak.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Consider this: they were a wild card the year they went to the SB, which means 3 of his 5 career playoff wins came that year. So outside of that one SB run, he's got 2 playoff wins in 16 years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 9:53 AM

Careful... outside of Shanahan's back-to-back SB runs with Elway, he's got 1 playoff win in 17 years!


Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 10:05 AM |

True but he has 2 SB's so Fisher is not even in the conversation.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 28, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

We will draft depth on the o-line this year.

However, I would like us to draft Pouncey, but apparently that's a "reach" at 10.

So draft Newton, then we will take O-line afterwards.

We drafted 3 o-linemen last year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Scouts now worry about Mallett's poor footwork...


But the kid throws bullets to a spot, so why does his footwork matter?

And what does matter about his footwork is that he's more like the non-scrambling statute type who doesn't scare athletic defenders.

Mallet would have to go to a team with a decent o-line.

Newton, Locker, Ponder, Kapernick, Dalton, and Locker don't.

And in today's NFL, that a major difference.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

of his 5 career playoff wins came that year. So outside of that one SB run, he's got 2 playoff wins in 16 years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 9:53 AM

Careful... outside of Shanahan's back-to-back SB runs with Elway, he's got 1 playoff win in 17 years!


Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 10:05 AM


As most Shanahan haters do, you gloss over the biggest difference like it's nothing...Shanahan has 2 championship rings. Fisher has a wedding ring...

I mean, really dude...you wanna compare Lombardi and Schottenheimer while you're at it?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 10:10 AM


You just dismissed Fisher's SB run in your Fisher-hate post, and I'm showing you the folly of such reasoning by similarly glossing over Shanahan's biggest achievement.

Surely that wasn't lost on you, was it?

But I forget... any look at Shanahan's record outside of those late 90s Super Bowls makes me a hater. My bad.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I expect Fisher to get a HC job within a week or 2. He's been 'the man' for so long that he won't lower himself by taking a coordinator job. He'll either be the HC somewhere or no coach at all.

Posted by: monk811 | January 28, 2011 9:37 AM |

That will be hard since there are no HC jobs available. He will work for ESPN this year, and will get a HC job next year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 28, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Once a Jeff Fisher is available some teams will 're-evaluate' their coaching situations. I bet a magical job opens up soon. Monk it down!

Posted by: monk811 | January 28, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

So I see I got the masses jabbering yesterday about trading up for Von Miller. [I'm blushing.]

On Zorn, I think the term "fired" is inflammatory. Let's say that the organization and Zorn were heading in "different directions". Money says he is an offensive coordinator by Monday.

Today's dcsween irresponsible remark ... if they can't trade up for Von Miller (who will not make it to #10), then Titus Young, WR, Boise State at #10 ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

notes from a sport that no one here respects:

Pitcher Spurns $12 Million, to Keep Self-Respect

“Once I started to realize I wasn’t earning my money, I felt bad,” Royals pitcher Gil Meche said.

The case of Gil Meche is rare for an entirely different reason. Meche, a 32-year-old right-handed pitcher, had a contract that called for a $12 million salary in 2011.


The difference between Gil Meche and Albert Haynesworth's contract is not to be counted in dollars.

It's assessed in pride.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Hey Alan,

If you take away the 4 SB years with Terry Bradshaw, Chuck Knoll only has 5 playoff wins in 23 years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 28, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I think the player we should be comparing Cam Newton is not that head case Vince Young but Josh Freeman of Tampa. They're both tall, strong, mobile QBs with strong arms and the ability to make plays outside the pocket. Difference is that Freeman was a passing QB for three years at K-State and Newton spent most of his one season at Auburn running designed plays through the middle of the field. Freeman spent a half season watching the Bucs and then took over (mostly out of sheer necessity) and has played well since. He had to wait for Tampa to get him some decent WRs but last year he went for 25TDs and 6INTs, fabulous numbers for a young QB. That's what you'd hope for from Cam. But at this point, Newton is a running QB who can pass, while Freeman was always a passing QB who could run. So add another year to Newton's learning curve in the pros.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 28, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey Alan,

If you take away the 4 SB years with Terry Bradshaw, Chuck Knoll only has 5 playoff wins in 23 years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 28, 2011 10:23 AM

Argue with brownwood... he's the one who started that line of thinking.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

You just dismissed Fisher's SB run in your Fisher-hate post, and I'm showing you the folly of such reasoning by similarly glossing over Shanahan's biggest achievement.

Surely that wasn't lost on you, was it?

But I forget... any look at Shanahan's record outside of those late 90s Super Bowls makes me a hater. My bad.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 10:17 AM

Again...you're comparing one "close but no cigar" season from Fisher to Shanahan's two CHAMPIONSHIP seasons. A SB is a SB...Elway or no Elway. You can't dismiss or write off a SB season like you would a deep playoff run that comes up short.

But hey, if you like your comparisions apples to Grape Nuts, be my guess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Some refuse to give Cam Newton love because he's black...

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2011 11:29 PM |
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...and some love him because he is black...

Posted by: hessone | January 28, 2011 9:41 AM

See, this is where Kaepernick fits in. Bi-racial parents. Everyone will half love him, which means he's like a Reese's peanut butter cup. You either like them or you don't. [On a related point, I like the original wider, flatter RPBC rather than the "bites" that are taller and narrower, but mostly still pack the same amount of peanut butter and chocolate.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

You just dismissed Fisher's SB run in your Fisher-hate post, and I'm showing you the folly of such reasoning by similarly glossing over Shanahan's biggest achievement.

Surely that wasn't lost on you, was it?

But I forget... any look at Shanahan's record outside of those late 90s Super Bowls makes me a hater. My bad.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 10:17 AM

Again...you're comparing one "close but no cigar" season from Fisher to Shanahan's two CHAMPIONSHIP seasons. A SB is a SB...Elway or no Elway. You can't dismiss or write off a SB season like you would a deep playoff run that comes up short.

But hey, if you like your comparisions apples to Grape Nuts, be my guest...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 10:10 AM |

A classic Moe take. Two problems though:

1) Bill Cosby is NOT overrated. Talented and an American icon.

2) Keanu Reaves cannot be overrated since nearly everyone considers him bad.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 28, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Once a Jeff Fisher is available some teams will 're-evaluate' their coaching situations. I bet a magical job opens up soon. Monk it down!

Posted by: monk811 | January 28, 2011 10:20 AM


I give it 2 to 1 odds he's talking to the Dolphins owner before Monday...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

" Nazi's were SOCIALIST"

Yeah, like the Army is socialist..Just another hijacked word like "Neoliberalism".

How bout them 'Skins??

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 9:05 AM

How convenient for you. See? They still got you fooled. Probably wasn't that hard to do.

As for the Skins, well...

HAIL!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Moe, my point was not that there aren't racist cops that will mistreat you but that to let them keep you from your own personal version of success is weak.


Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

The cops aren't racist, but they do profile.

For instance, an example:

My university is in the worst part of Durham. I was leaving one day and get pulled over immediately(2 white cops).

I ask :Why am I being pulled?

They respond: Your brake light is out. Can you get out of the car?

Me: OK, cool ( I knew I didn't have anything).

They proceed to rip my car to shreds.

I tell them I know why they pulled me. Clean-cut white boy, black neighborhood, yada-yada.

Anyway I get home and tell my roomate to pump my brakes so I can see which one is out.

They were all working fine.

The cops only want to arrest people so they get promotions.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I hear ya, Beantown, and I still think Luck is the ideal Shanny QB and who we should be trgeting..I'm just checking down, going through the options, looking for an open target..

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

iH8, I got that all the time going to school in Philly. Cops always suspicious of white kids in North Philly.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

See, this is where Kaepernick fits in. Bi-racial parents. Everyone will half love him....

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 10:26 AM

Everyone seems to fully love Derek Jeter.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 28, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Again...you're comparing one "close but no cigar" season from Fisher to Shanahan's two CHAMPIONSHIP seasons. A SB is a SB...Elway or no Elway. You can't dismiss or write off a SB season like you would a deep playoff run that comes up short.

But hey, if you like your comparisions apples to Grape Nuts, be my guest...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 10:27 AM

You're right, close but no cigar doesn't count. Marv Levy is clearly a bum, getting close but NEVER wining a SB.

Can't beleive that bum is in the HOF for deep playoff runs that came up short!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

MColeman51

Bill Cosby is NOT overrated. Talented and an American icon.


I never 'got' Cosby.

Dude is too tame and self-rightous for my taste.

I've never watched his tv show or the lame flicks he did with Sidney P from the 70s.

I grew up listening to Red Foxx and Richard Pryor.

Even today, I make my daughters watch reruns of "Sanford and Son"--that show is off da chain.

I memorized sections of Pryor's Wanted and performed them so much in school teachers stopped paddlin' me for doing for fear of breaking their arms.

And you're right, Cosby should not be mocked, given his philanthropy.

But is Cosby an icon?: Pryor and Fox are icons.

Cosby has just been a good bidnessman.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

So Cam Newton has only thrown over 300 yards against 1 BCS team in his life and we're all racist for questioning whether or not he's worth a top 10 pick? Got it. Fact is he just isn't that good of a passer and his ability to run doesn't mean crap in the NFL. But but he won the every where he's ever been... Yeah, we'll add him to that list of awesome BCS champion QBs that had great success in the NFL. O, wait that list doesn't exist. We have to go all the way back to Joe Montana and Joe Nameth to find the only 2 QBs that have ever won at both levels. Face it, Cam just isn't woth a top 10 pick and probably isn't worth a first rounder. It will take him at least 2 years to learn how to play at the NFL level and that my friends is 2nd round material. First rounders especially in the top 10 are expected to come in and start from day 1. He's a project. Jake Locker is a project. Mallett is also a project. The only reason we are even talking about them is because this is a weak QB class. I wouldn't be surprised if both of those guys fall into the second round.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 28, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Even today, I make my daughters watch reruns of "Sanford and Son"--that show is off da chain.


Sanford & Son is awesome.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Interesting comment:

Albert Haynseworth may be a Redskin this fall...

That is the most true thing I have read on this board today. Forget the money, it's gone. We should believe the very real truth that AH is under contract.

We hired Shanny to rebuild this team. He inherited one of the most disruptive players in the NFL. Now it is his job to make him be disruptive to everyone BUT the Redskins. Between Shanny and Allen it is now thier job to decide on how best to accomplish that.

What is truly puzzling is that no one seems able to motivate him to do what we all know he is capable of doing. As an organization we have until the morning of the first game to find out how. And get it done. Should we fail, we can and will give him his outright release and suit up 52 players. If Albert doesn't believe that reality he is in for a rude awakening. Believe that. He will play and play his freaking brains out for the Redskins or ShanAllen can and will effectively end his career.

One might consider the same fate for McNabb. And anyone else under contract. That is what contract means. If these guys had one iota of millitary anywhere in thier background they would figure out real quick that the only option is to shut up and enthusiastically follow orders.

That is all

Posted by: fireballhank | January 28, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

big fan of Jeter...plays the game the way its supposed to be played, plays it hard, hustles...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Even today, I make my daughters watch reruns of "Sanford and Son"--that show is off da chain.


Sanford & Son is awesome.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 10:45 AM |

I know 'ya big dummy!

C'mon pop!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

RE: Andy Dalton- a scout's take as opposed to insert handle here's take.

Player Pos School Ht Wt Arm Hnd
Andy Dalton QB TCU 6020 213 31 ½ 9 ¾

Monday Practice Notes: Started out shaky, but the TCU product improved throughout the day. Dalton showed inconsistency with the RPM’s on his passes. He showed a tight spiral then a wobbly pass came out of his grasp. He showed some signs of throwing too much with his upper body. By the end of the practice, he was starting to get his timing down hitting a couple nice deep completions.

Tuesday Practice Notes: Really not impressive throwing the ball. Rarely throws tight spirals in either the long or short field. Cannot drive his deep throws. Does a nice job commanding the offense but lacks top physical skills for the next level.

Wednesday Practice Notes: Slightly better today but still not sold he’s anything more than a clip board holder at the next level. Threw a few solid passes downfield but really has to put a lot of effort to get any speed on throws. Threw a few bad passes into coverage and had in one instance had Hankerson open down the flanks and poorly under threw him.

BTW...I see that the 2 weeks are up for BuffaloAlan4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I give it 2 to 1 odds he's talking to the Dolphins owner before Monday...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 10:31 AM

If it's ever proven he's meeting with owners about jobs that are still filled...there will be resentments amd repercussions that will hound him for the rest of his career.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 28, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Sanford & Son is awesome.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 10:45 AM |

I know 'ya big dummy!

C'mon pop!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh this is the big one!

How bout 5 cross yo lip.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

BTW...I see that the 2 weeks are up for BuffaloAlan4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2011 10:48 AM

#1: Kiss my a$$.

#2: Repeat #1.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

You're right, close but no cigar doesn't count. Marv Levy is clearly a bum, getting close but NEVER wining a SB.

Can't beleive that bum is in the HOF for deep playoff runs that came up short!


Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 10:39 AM

LOL...now you're comparing a guy with an 11-8 playoff record and 4 times as many SB appearances. Think about that...a guy with as many playoff wins as Fisher has playoff appearances.

Just quit while you're behind, dude...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26,

you like changing the subject. I'll help keep you on track here.


You said: "outside of that one SB run, [Fisher'] got 2 playoff wins in 16 years."

Reply: "Careful... outside of Shanahan's back-to-back SB runs with Elway, he's got 1 playoff win in 17 years!"

Analysis: It's folly to dismiss significant achievements when analyzing a coaches performance.

You said: "You can't dismiss or write off a SB season like you would a deep playoff run that comes up short."

Reply: "Marv Levy is clearly a bum, getting close but NEVER wining a SB. Can't beleive that bum is in the HOF for deep playoff runs that came up short!"

Analaysis: Deep playoff runs are significant, even when you don't win a Super Bowl. Marv Levy's election to the HOF proves that.

You said: "...now you're comparing a guy with an 11-8 playoff record and 4 times as many SB appearance..."


Analysis: You can't back up your rationale for dismissing Fisher's Super Bowl run, so you attempt to attack me.

Nice.


Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Cam hired Farve's agent Bus Cook. Cook needs to take charge and get Cam's dad to disappear.

Cecil Newton maps workout for Cam
By Bruce Feldman

Cecil Newton is scheduling his son, Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Cam Newton, to have a workout in front of the media in San Diego on Feb. 10, his quarterback coach George Whitfield told ESPN

Newton

The Auburn quarterback arrived in San Diego over the weekend and finished his fourth day of working with Whitfield on Thursday. Much of the emphasis has been on getting Newton, who had played primarily out of the shotgun formation in a spread offense in college, acclimated to working from under center and throwing in rhythm while improving his footwork. The results have "blown away" Whitfield, as well as the elder Newton.

"Cam is ready arm-wise and footwork-wise," Whitfield said Thursday night. "We've had a heckuva of regimen, but he has really made some giant strides in getting this routine from under center down. His dad is seeing that, and saying let's go public before the [NFL] Combine."

Whitfield, who last year worked with Ben Roethlisberger while the Steelers quarterback was suspended by the NFL, said the Feb. 10 workout, tentatively scheduled for Cathedral High School, will last between an hour and 90 minutes. "He'll do a lot of drops, a lot of perimeter throws, a lot of things from in the pocket -sliding and moving from pressure and a lot of things in rhythm and taking some snaps from under center, where he'll take the five and seven [-step drops.]"

In addition to working with Whitfield, Newton also has trained with a speed coach and a trainer in San Diego. "He weighed in at 250 with six percent body fat," said Whitfield. "Cam's been game for everything we've thrown at him. I'm amazed at some of the things he can do athletically."

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Sanford & Son is awesome.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 10:45 AM |

I know 'ya big dummy!

C'mon pop!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh this is the big one!

How bout 5 cross yo lip.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 10:52 AM |

Oh, this is the biggest one I ever had. You hear that Elizabeth? I'm coming to join you honey.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

This is funny:

Ravens were concerned about Zorn becoming “insubordinate”
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 28, 2011, 11:11 AM EST
Jim Zorn and the Ravens seem to be having a messier separation than Jeff Fisher and the Titans. Even though Zorn was only there one year.

Amidst reports that Zorn and Cam Cameron had communication problems, the Baltimore Sun reports that the Ravens staff was concerned with Zorn becoming “insubordinate.”

Mike Preston and Jamison Hensley also report that the Ravens were concerned about Zorn’s teaching methods. Basically, the Ravens seem to be doing their best to hurt Zorn’s chances of finding a job quickly.


Guess someone couldn't stay medium. Has nutty ol' Zorn lost it?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

one of the reasons to steer clear of this kid....his father needs to go away, and STAY away...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Alan, again you come up short, buddy:

Analysis: It's folly to dismiss significant achievements when analyzing a coaches performance.

You're proving my point with this...if Fisher's biggest achievement is coming up a yard short of tying the Rams in the SB, then he's not all he's cracked up to be, is he?

Analaysis: Deep playoff runs are significant, even when you don't win a Super Bowl. Marv Levy's election to the HOF proves that.

Note how playoff "runs" is plural. Again...coming up a yard short of tying the Rams in the SB is no way, shape, or form within shouting distance of getting a team to the SB 4 consecutive seasons. When someone else can do that (regardless of whether he wins all, some, or none of them), then we can reopen the validity of that accomplishment.

Analysis: You can't back up your rationale for dismissing Fisher's Super Bowl run, so you attempt to attack me.

What's to back up? He didn't win. And you've compared him to a guy that's won 2 SBs and another guy that's been to 4 in a row. If saying "quit while you're behind" is attacking you, then consider this another attack.

Quit while you're behind.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

250lbs with 6 % body fat. Damn!! Say what you will about him but the brother is in great shape

Posted by: jm220 | January 28, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Sanford & Son is awesome.


To what career did Lamont aspire:

a. writer

b. singer

c. actor

d. businessman

e. promoter

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 11:22 AM

C

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 28, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Newton is as close to 6 percent body fat, as I am a martian.....thats agent speak for, you don't have to worry about my client being overweight....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Sanford & Son is awesome.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 10:45 AM |

I know 'ya big dummy!

C'mon pop!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh this is the big one!

How bout 5 cross yo lip.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 28, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse


You old fish eyed fool!

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 28, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Guess someone couldn't stay medium. Has nutty ol' Zorn lost it?

I'd say the issue was Zorn was felt he was a better playcaller than Cameron, and openly voiced it.

Thing is, he was hired to coach Flacco, not call plays.

And now, he's out calling for a job.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Everybody loves "Sanford and Son", but did you know that Grady was elected to the Baseball HOF? Check it out:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00415VNW4/ref=asc_df_B00415VNW41409102?tag=thefind0232655-20&creative=395261&creativeASIN=B00415VNW4&linkCode=asn

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 28, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Exactly right, Greg...one of the biggest reasons I don't want Cam Newton is because we don't need Cecil Newton anywhere near Redskins Park.

I mean, just imagine the contract negotiations...Snyder and Cecil going back and forth while BA, Shanny, and Cam helplessly watch from afar...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Interesting comment:

Albert Haynseworth may be a Redskin this fall...

That is the most true thing I have read on this board today. Forget the money, it's gone. We should believe the very real truth that AH is under contract.

We hired Shanny to rebuild this team. He inherited one of the most disruptive players in the NFL. Now it is his job to make him be disruptive to everyone BUT the Redskins. Between Shanny and Allen it is now thier job to decide on how best to accomplish that.

What is truly puzzling is that no one seems able to motivate him to do what we all know he is capable of doing. As an organization we have until the morning of the first game to find out how. And get it done. Should we fail, we can and will give him his outright release and suit up 52 players. If Albert doesn't believe that reality he is in for a rude awakening. Believe that. He will play and play his freaking brains out for the Redskins or ShanAllen can and will effectively end his career.

One might consider the same fate for McNabb. And anyone else under contract. That is what contract means. If these guys had one iota of millitary anywhere in thier background they would figure out real quick that the only option is to shut up and enthusiastically follow orders.

That is all

Posted by: fireballhank | January 28, 2011 10:45 AM |


Dude, that boat has left the dock (pun intended). IT IS NOT SHANNY'S JOB TO MAKE ANYONE PLAY.

If a check for 21 million doesn't do it, it cannot be done son.

I said it before and was ultimately proven right:

On 12:01 a.m. when Haney signed the 100+million dollar deal with the 'Skins on the opening day of free agency....

He retired.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Interesting comment:

Albert Haynseworth may be a Redskin this fall...

That is the most true thing I have read on this board today. Forget the money, it's gone. We should believe the very real truth that AH is under contract.

We hired Shanny to rebuild this team. He inherited one of the most disruptive players in the NFL. Now it is his job to make him be disruptive to everyone BUT the Redskins. Between Shanny and Allen it is now thier job to decide on how best to accomplish that.

What is truly puzzling is that no one seems able to motivate him to do what we all know he is capable of doing. As an organization we have until the morning of the first game to find out how. And get it done. Should we fail, we can and will give him his outright release and suit up 52 players. If Albert doesn't believe that reality he is in for a rude awakening. Believe that. He will play and play his freaking brains out for the Redskins or ShanAllen can and will effectively end his career.

One might consider the same fate for McNabb. And anyone else under contract. That is what contract means. If these guys had one iota of millitary anywhere in thier background they would figure out real quick that the only option is to shut up and enthusiastically follow orders.

That is all

Posted by: fireballhank | January 28, 2011 10:45 AM |


Dude, that boat has left the dock (pun intended). IT IS NOT SHANNY'S JOB TO MAKE ANYONE PLAY.

If a check for 21 million doesn't do it, it cannot be done son.

I said it before and was ultimately proven right:

On 12:01 a.m. when Haney signed the 100+million dollar deal with the 'Skins on the opening day of free agency....

He retired.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Newton is as close to 6 percent body fat, as I am a martian.....thats agent speak for, you don't have to worry about my client being overweight....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Bean there was never an issue about Cam weight. Not saying this isn't just agent talk but his weight was never an issue

Posted by: jm220 | January 28, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

70s TV: Best Comedy


pick'em

Mork and Mindy

Happy Days

Good Times

All in the Family

Barney Miller

Maude

Sanford and Son

Soap

Laverne and Shirley

Welcome Back Kotter

The Love Boat

The Jeffersons

M*A*S*H

That's My Momma

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Thing is, he was hired to coach Flacco, not call plays.

And now, he's out calling for a job.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 11:27 AM

They might have beaten Pittsburgh if Zorn did call plays...I mean, he's the guy that calls plays to work, right?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"Cam's been game for everything we've thrown at him."

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like Zorn is starting a trend, maybe he's not crazy after all. I still say use midgets. They're small enough to fit into those cushions. Hit them with a regular cushion, and then BAM, smack em with a Midget Cushion! We'll call it a Mushion! Can I patent this idea?

Posted by: monk811 | January 28, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

he's an agent/lawyer, I wouldn't believe him if he said the sky was blue, the earth was round, or water is wet....lawyers only lie, when they open their mouth's.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 28, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

And you've compared him to a guy that's won 2 SBs and another guy that's been to 4 in a row. If saying "quit while you're behind" is attacking you, then consider this another attack.


Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 11:21 AM

OK, "attack" was too strong of a word. "Condescend" is more accurate.

The main difference is where you draw the line. You're saying you're free to dismiss Fisher's Super Bowl run, but not more than one. But you can never dismiss a Super Bowl win.

Your rules are convoluted, and I say, to be fair, you should dismiss NO Super Bowl runs.

Once you decide it's easy to dismiss a coach's SB season, it's a small jump to dismissing 2 of their SB seasons--win or lose--and look at the other 90% of their body of work. I'm sure that Bud Adams and Pat Bowlen would agree with that, even if you don't.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

What about Hogan's Heroes, was that in the 70's? That was pretty funny!

Posted by: monk811 | January 28, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

70s TV: Best Comedy

1. All in the Family
2. Sanford & Son
3. Welcome Back Kotter
4. Chico and the Man
5. Gerald Ford falling down steps

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 28, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I vote for Three's Company...Jack Tripper was The Man!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

and if we expand the category beyond sitcoms, you can't leave out SNL or Monty Python's Flying Circus.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 28, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Here's an item that may be of interest. I know it ain't Skins related but:

1. We need a break from this obsessive parsing of draft pick tea leaves.

2. It's furriner bashing, which should make scampbell1975 extremely happy.

3. It's certainly more appropriate than gnootzing about 70's comedies.

PUIGPUNYENT, Balearic Islands -- Tour de France champion Alberto Contador plans to appeal any suspension for his failed doping test at cycling's showcase race, saying Friday he feels like a "victim of the system. They are recognizing that I'm innocent and then they give me a one-year ban," the three-time Tour winner said. "I can't explain that. I can't defend that. I can't do anything more." He called the entire disciplinary process "shameful" and said he will do all he can to see that the rule on clenbuterol is changed. "What hurts the most is that all of the scientists know I'm innocent. And this hurts me. This is sad. Very sad."

Poor baby. The evil Lance gets away with murder and they find trace amounts of a banned substance in his blood and they treat him like a common criminal. Boo hoo.

Posted by: Coriolis | January 28, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I vote for Three's Company...Jack Tripper was The Man!

(INSERT canned applause and cat-calls.)


BTW: whatever happened to canned applause and laugh tracks in tv shows?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The main difference is where you draw the line. You're saying you're free to dismiss Fisher's Super Bowl run, but not more than one. But you can never dismiss a Super Bowl win.

Your rules are convoluted, and I say, to be fair, you should dismiss NO Super Bowl runs.

Once you decide it's easy to dismiss a coach's SB season, it's a small jump to dismissing 2 of their SB seasons--win or lose--and look at the other 90% of their body of work. I'm sure that Bud Adams and Pat Bowlen would agree with that, even if you don't.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 11:44 AM


You lost me Alan.

Fisher had 1 one good run and didn't finish the deal. Otherwise, he's been a hit-or-miss kinda coach whose numbers are more the product of longevity than anything substantive.

His teams aren't innovative or special on either side of the ball. He's just good enough to not get fired.

Marv Levy made an indelible mark on Buffalo...a team that hasn't done anything before or since he was there. The Broncos have 2 Super Bowl victories...and Shanahan presided over both.

It's really not that difficult, dude. Levy and Shanahan have done things that have either never been done or are rarely done. Fisher hasn't.

If you don't see that, you never will. So I'm done trying to explain it to you.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

70s TV: Best Comedy

1. All in the Family
2. Sanford & Son
3. Welcome Back Kotter
4. Chico and the Man
5. Gerald Ford falling down steps

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 28, 2011 11:51 AM |

Almost everyone in here is going to have All in the Family close to or atop their list of 1970's sit-coms. I wonder if those same folks in here would still react wildly and yell 'racist' every episode when Archie drops an 'N-bomb' or at least infers it.

I guess it's the "art imitating life" thing, meathead.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I gotta admit that I haven't been exactly thrilled with what I have seen of Foxx, Cosby and Pryor. You might claim I'm a racist but I don't exactly like what I have seen of Archie Bunker either. Eddie Murphy was a riot on SNL. Gumby and Mr Roger's Neighborhood. Jesus. It don't get no better than that. Everything has been downhill for Murph since then.

Posted by: Coriolis | January 28, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

BTW: whatever happened to canned applause and laugh tracks in tv shows?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 12:16 PM

Not sure...but now I don't know if something is funny or not...we need laugh tracks back asap!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I gotta admit that I haven't been exactly thrilled with what I have seen of Foxx, Cosby and Pryor. You might claim I'm a racist but I don't exactly like what I have seen of Archie Bunker either. Eddie Murphy was a riot on SNL. Gumby and Mr Roger's Neighborhood. Jesus. It don't get no better than that. Everything has been downhill for Murph since then.

Posted by: Coriolis | January 28, 2011 12:20 PM |

Once he was known for picking up trannies, I just can't watch the dude anymore.

I don't want to hear that 'bi' stuff or 'curiosity' excuse either.

In the immortal words of Andrew Dice Clay...

"Either you suck dick...or you do not suck dick."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"Either you suck dick...or you do not suck dick."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 12:25 PM

I know right...that's what I tell my girlfriend every night before bed.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Marv Levy made an indelible mark on Buffalo...a team that hasn't done anything before or since he was there.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2011 12:16 PM |

Jesus dude - you're a nincompoop, with the emphasis being on poop! When you have a sec or two, look up the AFL years and learn about such Bills heroes as the Cookie Monster and Jack Kemp Cook. Did you know that the only dude selected to the HOF from the AFL to have never played in the NFL was a Bill!

Posted by: Coriolis | January 28, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I gotta admit that I haven't been exactly thrilled with what I have seen of Foxx, Cosby and Pryor. You might claim I'm a racist but I don't exactly like what I have seen of Archie Bunker either. Eddie Murphy was a riot on SNL. Gumby and Mr Roger's Neighborhood. Jesus. It don't get no better than that. Everything has been downhill for Murph since then.

Posted by: Coriolis | January 28, 2011 12:20 PM |

Not to split hairs but I thought it was "Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood."

"Here's how we answer the door in Mr. Robinson's neighborhood......

WHO-IS-IT?!?!?!?!?"

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

In the immortal words of Andrew Dice Clay...

"Either you suck dick...or you do not suck dick."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 12:25 PM |

In the immortal words of DikShuttle...

"Either you suk dik...or you do not suk dik."

Posted by: Coriolis | January 28, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"Here's how we answer the door in Mr. Robinson's neighborhood......

WHO-IS-IT?!?!?!?!?"

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 12:34 PM |

I thought it was "WTF is it?"

Posted by: Coriolis | January 28, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Expecting a guy who has never installed an offense to take over the head coaching duties whilst still installing that offense...

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 28, 2011 6:09 AM

Is what we normally call a rare opportunity. Few men get a chance like this. Zorn wasn't up to the job. Other coaches would be, but Zorn wasn't. The cream rises to the top, but in Jim Zorn's case, shti floats.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 28, 2011 6:30 AM | Report abuse

No, Zorn wasn't up to the job. Might he have made a decent OC coach after four or five seasons as co-ordinator? Probably not, but he would have had a much better chance of succeeding than he did.

There is a chicken and egg problem here. Perhaps only a moronic front office would have given him a shot at running a team, and with morons in charge of the personnel side an inexperienced coach is always going to be in trouble.

Still, it was hard not to be a little worried after Zorn's introductory press conference, when he revealed that he didn't even know what our team colours were.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 28, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

So then is it all settled, Gabe Carimi with the #10 pick?

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

So then is it all settled, Gabe Carimi with the #10 pick?

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 12:41 PM |

If we're still in a 70's comedy time warp it could be Gabe Kaplan.

Posted by: Coriolis | January 28, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I'd say the issue was Zorn was felt he was a better playcaller than Cameron, and openly voiced it.

Thing is, he was hired to coach Flacco, not call plays.

And now, he's out calling for a job.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 11:27 AM

Maybe he was trying to divert the blame from Flacco's poor showing against Pittsburgh to the playcalling of Cameron

Posted by: skinswest | January 28, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

70s TV: Best Comedy

1. All in the Family
2. Sanford & Son
3. Welcome Back Kotter
4. Chico and the Man
5. Gerald Ford falling down steps

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 28, 2011 11:51 AM |

Almost everyone in here is going to have All in the Family close to or atop their list of 1970's sit-coms. I wonder if those same folks in here would still react wildly and yell 'racist' every episode when Archie drops an 'N-bomb' or at least infers it.

I guess it's the "art imitating life" thing, meathead.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse
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But Archie was a racist, that was his character's schtick. That was a character, although I do know of a few are REALLY like him.

Posted by: clark202 | January 28, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Not to split hairs but I thought it was "Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 12:34 PM |

Thanks for correcting me.

Posted by: Coriolis | January 28, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

#1: Kiss my a$$.

#2: Repeat #1.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 10:52 AM

Outstanding ... order has been restored in the universe AND its a Friday!

At the end of yesterday's daddy child care (OK, so I quit), I had a couple of third graders watching tube and they stumbled on the Partidge Family followed by Three's Company. Back in the day, I never really appreciated Mrs. Roper's lines. I laughed without the canned prompt.

Moe, I think the canned background industry has moved onto bigger and better projects, like fake crowds for events on the National Mall. "With [inflated number] in attendance, the [insert cause] can't be wrong!"

Also, a buddy of mine had an old recording of Redd Foxx doing live comedy. Just tremendous in the blue language and "adult humor" department. He was Chris Rock funny before Chris Rock was born.

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Coriolis, up your nose with a rubber hose.

Signed,

Epstein's mother

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Coriolis, up your nose with a rubber hose.

Signed,

Epstein's mother

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 12:55 PM

Ahhhh memories...too funny.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

WeNeedLineman...

I agree with all you said, but Haynesworth took the money and knew we were running a
3-4. You take the money...you play where they want you.

No sympathy from me.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 28, 2011 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth gets no sympathy from me either. He should have done what he was asked to do. He isn't a team player, and his wretched maturity and physical conditioning mean that he has never taken fully taken advantage of his physical gifts.

He should have done what he was asked, not just because he was banking the money, but even from selfish stand-point, his hissy fit has only served to destroy his value to other teams. If he wanted out he should have worked hard to maintain his trade value.

Haynesworth is nothing but a big kid and cut his own nose off to spite his face. I was disappointed when we signed Haynesworth. I wish we hadn't and think that he is an intolerable tool, but I also think this organisation has handled the situation in the worst possible way imaginable.

The guys agent should also be facing charges for professional negligence. If he couldn't persuade Haynesworth that he was damaging his future earnings he was at the very least staggeringly incompetent.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 28, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The Flip Wilson Show- "The Devil made me buy this dress!!"

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

70s TV: Best Comedy

1. All in the Family
2. Sanford & Son
3. Welcome Back Kotter
4. Chico and the Man
5. Gerald Ford falling down steps

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 28, 2011 11:51 AM |

Almost everyone in here is going to have All in the Family close to or atop their list of 1970's sit-coms. I wonder if those same folks in here would still react wildly and yell 'racist' every episode when Archie drops an 'N-bomb' or at least infers it.

I guess it's the "art imitating life" thing, meathead.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse
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But Archie was a racist, that was his character's schtick. That was a character, although I do know of a few are REALLY like him.

Posted by: clark202 | January 28, 2011 12:51 PM |

You missed the entire point of Archie's character. He was NOT a racist as evidenced by his buddies of different races at the bar. He was just a regular guy who 'effed with EVERYONE. Racial slurs does not a racist make. Otherwise, every black kid I ever knew growing up was a racist.....relative to their own race.

Wake up son.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 28, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The Flip Wilson Show- "The Devil made me buy this dress!!"

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 1:01 PM


Ahhh, Flip Wilson. Doing drag long before Robin Williams, Martin Lawrence, Eddie Murphy, Tyler Perry and the Wayan Brothers.

Come to think of it, I didn't notice so many dudes have been doing drag over the years!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Amidst reports that Zorn and Cam Cameron had communication problems, the Baltimore Sun reports that the Ravens staff was concerned with Zorn becoming “insubordinate.”

Zorn getting his yah-yah's out after the Sherm Lewis shabingus. He prob had more decision-making authority as the Ravens QB coach than he did as Skins HC. Hah!

Posted by: Coriolis | January 28, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

There are some papers that have policies against using the word Redskins when referring to our football team in their articles...wow...thats nuts.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I didn't notice so many dudes have been doing drag over the years!

madmoe: Why you got on a dress, my jigga?

mistamoe: It's Friday.

I'm gonna go out and get paid.

(He stops to put on lipstick and then smile into a greasy mirror.)

madmoe: Doing what?

mistamoe: Trickin'.

madmoe: What, you gay now?

mistamoe: No. I'm not gay.

I'll just say poverty has forced me to consider alternative means of acquiring wealth.

madmoe: Well, you know what they say....you either suck dik or you don't.

mistamoe: I've got a plan for that.

I'm taking knee pads and a toothbrush.

madmoe: What's gonna happen when they find out you're a guy?

mistamoe: I'll tell them I'm one of the Khardashian sisters.

That way, I can get paid for having very little talent, but a whole lotta skill.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

There are some papers that have policies against using the word Redskins when referring to our football team in their articles...wow...thats nuts.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

It's a good idea. They don't want to get sued by some middle aged white ladies.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 28, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"The World At War", narrated by Sir Laurence Olivier...Freakin' laugh riot..You'll laugh so hard , they'll have to pummel your back with a hand grenade to get your wind back..

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

What happened to Bill Walton on the big corporate air?? Did he piss on Roone Arledge's grave in the Ungrateful Dead parking lot??

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what's going on over in The Tailgate Zone.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Best comedy of the 1970's:

The Odd Couple

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

felix, oscar, murray the cop

Posted by: coparker5 | January 28, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"It just makes the fact that some people at redskin park thought he was head coach material all the more baffling"

--------------------------------------------

Not when "some people" were Snyder / Ceratto ... Though I always thought Zorn as head coach was more of a desperation move on Snyderatto's part than an actual endorsement anyway ,they just couldn't get anyone else who was willing to be low-man on their cluster-f**** pole ..... And all the more reason to rejoice that the abomination that was Snyderatto is ended ... Shanny & co. may not be perfect , but long as Snyder leaves the football decisions to someone else we're better for it .........

Posted by: RoidRage | January 28, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

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