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Posted at 1:51 PM ET, 01/28/2011

Jim Zorn firing not as surprising as the reasons behind it

By Rick Maese

The story out of Baltimore concerning former Redskins Coach Jim Zorn is an interesting one -- not because an assistant coach would lose his job after a disappointing end to a season; that happens all the time. Rather, an article in the Baltimore Sun today says a contributing factor in the team's decision was Zorn's insubordination.

Considering his two-year tenure in Washington, it's an odd charge to levy.

The decision to fire Zorn took a week to unfold. If the problem was insubordination, the decision would have been an easy and quick one. Instead, the Ravens took their time because there was a lot to process, most of it behind the scenes. Offensive coordinator Cam Cameron was lobbying for more responsibilities and wanted to take charge of the quarterbacks. Joe Flacco, meanwhile, was urging everyone to keep Zorn for another season.

In the end, Cameron won out, and Zorn was shown the door and has been labeled insubordinate.

In his two years in Washington, Zorn had a lot thrust upon him. He couldn't pick his staff, couldn't tinker with the defense, and in the end, he couldn't even call his own offensive plays. Zorn wasn't happy when the Redskins hired an offensive consultant, but his protests didn't rise to the level of insubordination. Some at Redskins Park would tell you there's still a stubborn side to him. For example, when the team brass approached Zorn and wanted him resign midseason, Zorn dug his heels in the dirt and refused.

Zorn wasn't a great head coach and won't likely get a coordinator job any time soon. But as a position coach, Zorn has always had a good handle on quarterbacks and has received strong reviews from everyone from Flacco to Jason Campbell to Matt Hasselbeck. With teams such as Tennessee, Cleveland and even Seattle still making staff changes, it would seem there's a chance he'll land on his feet. And if he doesn't, well, Zorn's at least still collecting paychecks from the Redskins.

By Rick Maese  | January 28, 2011; 1:51 PM ET
 
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Comments

Not trying to be 1st, just the BEST!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Best comedy of the 1970's:

The Odd Couple

My personal favorite quote:

When I look back at all the best times of my life -- none of them were for 'my own good'.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Zorn already cashed his lottery ticket based on the stupidity of Ceratto and Snyder. Let his buddy Holmgren hire him since it was such a travesty on how he was treated in DC.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 28, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's at least still collecting paychecks from the Redskins.

By Jason Reid | January 28, 2011; 1:51 PM ET

That's regular bordination.

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse


Fools !

Same old song and dance with you fools. When Allen has finished his offseason work and the season starts, the fools will be SB ready. Then as the losses mount, at first it will be "the season is young, I'm willing to be patient". By the end of the year you will be saying, Flip_Flop was right. Fools, get ready for another 20 years of last place in the NFC east, because that is were Allen is taking you fools, the bottom of the NFC east. Fools !

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 28, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Zorn already cashed his lottery ticket based on the stupidity of Ceratto and Snyder. Let his buddy Holmgren hire him since it was such a travesty on how he was treated in DC.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 28, 2011 2:05 PM

You, sir, are being insubordinate!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

The story in the Baltimore Sun reflects (pun intended) a stubborn Jim Zorn.

Think of that: he is a hard-headed guy who let himself be persuaded by Dan Snyder to take a head coaching job under less that desirable conditions.

I guess the 'humble like jesus--stay medim' routine Zorn presented was like so much of his tenure, sound and fury signifying nothing.

Hip Hip--Hypocrite.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse


Zorn already cashed his lottery ticket based on the stupidity of Ceratto and Snyder. Let his buddy Holmgren hire him since it was such a travesty on how he was treated in DC.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 28, 2011 2:05 PM |
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after holmgren looks at zorns resume post seahawks, he'll pass on hiring zorn. time for zorn to hit the college ranks. I do agree he was treated unfairly in DC, but he was compensated well for all the humiliation

Posted by: hessone | January 28, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Zorn was right to stubbornly stay with the Skins and collect his huge paychecks. He made a ton more money by getting fired instead of quitting. He took care of #1, even if it meant getting humiliated.

Now Zorn is on his own, with F U $$ in his pockets. He'll find a job somewhere, but he's just not been a great coach.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Sanford and Son was the greatest!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 28, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Sanford and Son was the greatest!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 28, 2011 2:17 PM

Hee Haw was a very close second.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"Let his buddy Holmgren hire him since it was such a travesty on how he was treated in DC."

Exactly, it will be interesting to see if he lands there. Zorn is not a good coach at any position.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 28, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Amazing scenes on CNN of the Egyptian rebellion..I guess the fellaheen are feelin' fella-mean...

Posted by: frak | January 28, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse


Hee Haw was a very close second.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 2:19 PM |
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don't know if I'm spelling it right, but ebb and mr douglas arguing was funny stuff.

honorable mention goes to barney fife and otis the town drunk going at it on the andy griffith show

Posted by: hessone | January 28, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

... Zorn being insubordinate, the source added.

Harbaugh disputed this report, saying it is "inaccurate and unfair to Jim Zorn" and "in no way does it describe Jim’s relationship with the Ravens, and that includes with his fellow coaches while here and our players."

But Harbaugh didn't specify any reason for Zorn's termination. "Jim’s departure from the Ravens will remain as private as these matters can be," Harbaugh said Friday, "but we feel it’s necessary to at least point out that this report is inaccurate. It is not true in any way, shape or form.”

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2011/01/source_ravens_unhappy_with_zorns_teaching_methods.html

Posted by: RedCherokee | January 28, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

after holmgren looks at zorns resume post seahawks, he'll pass on hiring zorn. time for zorn to hit the college ranks. I do agree he was treated unfairly in DC, but he was compensated well for all the humiliation

Posted by: hessone | January 28, 2011 2:14 PM

Doubt that his post-Seattle resume would scare anyone away. First, he endured shame and indignity under the dysfunction that is Team Snyder and Captain Vinny. Second, Campbell's stats improved successively in every year he was here. Third, he lasted longer in Baltimore working with Cam Cameron than Al Saunders. Fourth, he got to see how the mind of Cam Cameron operates.

I still say he'll be an offensive coordinator by Monday ... whether its the Browns, the Seahawks, or the Chiefs ... because he was ready to be an OC the year he came here. The Owner of the Skins only buys the best ... and that's what he bought when he bought Zorn to be OC. Its just that even the best caviar is only an appetizer and not an entree.

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

don't know if I'm spelling it right, but ebb and mr douglas arguing was funny stuff.

honorable mention goes to barney fife and otis the town drunk going at it on the andy griffith show

Posted by: hessone

Those were mostly in the '60s, along with Get Smart.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

How do you talk old school tv without meaning Gilligan's Island?


pick'em
a. Ginger

b. Mary Ann

c. Mrs. Howell


madmoe picks b Ms. Howell as she's rich, old, and broken in by that lame old republican dude, Thurston.

Mary Ann is too young and goofy.

And Ginger is a stringbean.

And as for madmoe, well, he needs glasses.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Bring him back to groom Grossman!

Posted by: eternale5150 | January 28, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Bring him back to groom Grossman!

Posted by: eternale5150 | January 28, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

honorable mention goes to barney fife and otis the town drunk going at it on the andy griffith show

Posted by: hessone

Little known fact: Otis's last name was Campbell. n we got my Doberman he would drink a whole bowl of water dry in a few seconds so we named him Otis after that guy.

Whe

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I still say he'll be an offensive coordinator by Monday ... whether its the Browns, the Seahawks, or the Chiefs

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 2:27 PM

What time Monday? I just want to know when we can start saying you were wrong. (First time for everything...)

If a promotion to OC were imminent, the Ravens wouldn't have fired him. They let their DC Greg Mattison quietly leave and they would have done the same with Zorn. Firing him if he were about to leave gets them nothing. I think his post-Seattle resume has affirmed that he's a good QB coach, nothing more.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 28, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Hard to believe Reid is deserving of a promotion. In a link entitled "a contributing factor in the teams decision was Zorn's insubordination"...you're led to an article that doesn't talk, at all, about insubordination. The only whiff of confrontation in the piece has to be searched for, in the byline, and it mentions disagreement about how to develop Flacco. Disagreement is totally different from insubordination. There very well may be rumors in the air about insubordination that Reid is privy to. The article he referenced doesn't make that claim. In fact, what he wrote about his opinion of Zorn and his time in DC goes much further than his referenced "source".

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 28, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

madmoe picks b Ms. Howell as she's rich, old, and broken in by that lame old republican dude, Thurston.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 2:30 PM

That guy was the voice of Mr. Magoo, who is an icon to drunk and blind old drivers forever.

Loved Magoo. Rivaled only by the Anteater from the Pink Panther show.

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

OMG...Jim Zorn was our head coach! For two years!!!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 2:36 PM

Did your Otis Campbell voluntarily lock himself in his kennel crate every night too?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 28, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Whe

Posted by: scampbell1975
_____________

Ruh roh - his brain jammed again.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 28, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Best comedy of the 1970's:
The Odd Couple
Posted by: zcezcest1"

Sorry, wouldn't make my top five. Other candidates:
Animal House
MASH
Bananas
Harold and Maude
Blazing Saddles
Paper Moon
Young Frankenstein
Shampoo
Annie Hall
Slap Shot

Posted by: Samson151 | January 28, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Loved Magoo. Rivaled only by the Anteater from the Pink Panther show.

Posted by: dcsween

The Pink Panther, now that was some good stuff. But if we're going there ... Rocky and Bullwinkle got even better with age.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

samson151

Y Frankenstein, Paper Moon, Annie Hall, Animal House, and Blazing Saddles still have game.

Y Frankie itself it a classic: the scene with Peter Boyle and the blind man is mad funny.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

This is Redskins news how?

Posted by: keino83 | January 28, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

This must be off-season purgatory for Skins fans.

We were treated to a Vinny post that stayed up for nearly 2 days.

Now we get 2 days of Zorn posts. I think Zorn will be hired quickly and vindicated with another team, but that's beside the point. These updates on Skins alumni are fine, but let's not linger on them too long.

What's the status of Malcolm Kelley's hammies? How are BMW's blood clots? Heck, I'd settle for an update on Haynesworth right now.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Whe

Posted by: scampbell1975
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Ruh roh - his brain jammed again.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 28, 2011 2:47 PM

Damn brain lock. If you look those 3 letters were supposed to be earlier in the post. There is an errant letter somewhere in the post. My computer likes to play word jumble.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

This is Redskins news how?


Until there is redskin news, we'll have to make our own.

Or: we'll have to work.

And who wants to do that?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

What's the status of Malcolm Kelley's hammies? How are BMW's blood clots? Heck, I'd settle for an update on Haynesworth right now.


Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 2:55 PM |

Malcolm Kelly claimed to be healed half way through the season. Now the BMW update would be the coup de grace. F Fatty.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Damn brain lock. If you look those 3 letters were supposed to be earlier in the post. There is an errant letter somewhere in the post. My computer likes to play word jumble.

Posted by: scampbell1975
______________

You need to shoot that computer, like Richard Pryor shot his car.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 28, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

This must be off-season purgatory for Skins fans.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 2:55 PM

I could use a nice NERD post right about now...oh and a bottle of rum.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Y Frankie itself it a classic: the scene with Peter Boyle and the blind man is mad funny.

Blind man was Gene Hackman .....Hoosiers

Posted by: boysheadcoach | January 28, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

My "sources" tell me that Zorn was not "fired" as much as the heat was turned up on Cameron to produce or get fired himself ... so Cameron wanted complete control of the show, including QBs, which meant Zorn became redundant. The bit about insubordination is all manufactured.

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

How refreshing it is to see a team actually hold its coaching staff accountable for their performance.

Particularly when the Ravens went into the post-season, and were barely bested by the congference champion. But clearly, they wanted something better.

Can't imagine Redskins fans would ever see any such housecleaning here.

I mean, could you ever see Ol' Shanny firing Lil' Shanny for failing to win -- even with a former conference champion/Pro Bowl quarterback -- who just couldn't seem to grasp or execute the wonderkid's unique "offensive system?"

Not likely here, hey?

Posted by: Vic1 | January 28, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Why is the rum always gone..........lshdfas7hn43r78-98fjj...oh

Posted by: boysheadcoach | January 28, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Zorn would have kept the 4-3 defense and would have won 8 games with last year's team.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 28, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: boysheadcoach | January 28, 2011 3:10 PM |

What does your screen name mean? Do are you the head coach of some boys or do you coach in the boys' head?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 28, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Head coach of a 60 boy (ages 6-18) men's gymnastics team in MN

Posted by: boysheadcoach | January 28, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: boysheadcoach | January 28, 2011 3:10 PM |

What does your screen name mean? Do are you the head coach of some boys or do you coach in the boys' head?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 28, 2011 3:16 PM

A young male shead coach

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The bit about insubordination is all manufactured.

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 3:12 PM

Sort of like the insubordination charges against Haynesworth (except those were real). Why didn't they use the "cardio endurance" and "doesn't know the two-minute drill" crap that we made up for McNabb?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 28, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

So under a "draft Kaepernick" plan, it would still have to be another year of Rex Grossman ... which is to say, a need to return to the power running game for a couple of seasons. Who is available in free agency to platoon with Torain? The plug-and-play (including Keiland Williams) is not the answer. Need RB who is about 800 yards short of the yardage mark where the wheels fall off (except for Eric Dickerson).

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

There is an errant letter somewhere in the post. My computer likes to play word jumble.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 2:55 PM

It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 28, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"Best comedy of the 1970's:
The Odd Couple
Posted by: zcezcest1"

Sorry, wouldn't make my top five. Other candidates:
Animal House
MASH
Bananas
Harold and Maude
Blazing Saddles
Paper Moon
Young Frankenstein
Shampoo
Annie Hall
Slap Shot

Posted by: Samson151

wait, you're bringing a movie list to a sitcom fight ...


I do like your movie list. Would add Sleeper -- Woody Allen's best as far as I'm concerned. He had some great moments in several other flicks -- the chain gang scene in Take the Money and Run, calling God an underachiever in Love and Death, the inside the brain scene in Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex (I'm an NYU grad ...).

Got to add the Blues Brothers movie, though not sure when it was released

Young Frankenstein, Slap Shot, Blazing Saddles and Animal House are all among my favorite comedies.

The Sting and The Graduate are still my favorites from that era.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The Graduate (1967)
Blues Brothers (1980)

Juuuuust a bit outside...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The Sting and The Graduate are still my favorites from that era.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2011 3:29 PM

I think The Graduate was '67 FWIW...

And yes, The Sting was (is) still great. Much like Cassidy and Sundance.

Posted by: edvar | January 28, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Insubordination ?!? And I thought ‘Skins wore the crown when it comes to story-making in justifying personnel moves (ie: McNabb benching at 2-minute mark of Lions game, and any mgmt-player matters involving Haynesworth) but this takes it to a whole other level.

Was Zorn leading a mutiny in hopes of ‘sacking’ captain Harbaugh, and assuming head-coaching duties? It seems Zorn & his merry-band of men (QB Flacco on-record for keeping Zorn) were put down before his raid could seize control of The Castle (official name for Ravens training facility) …

Insubordination … hah, give me a break … dysfunction is obviously a hat the team in purple & blue appear not to wear well … in matters involving exotic-storytelling, clearly they could use counseling from the team in burgundy & gold …

Posted by: wizzfanzz11 | January 28, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

This aritcle is ridiculous. Would you mind telling us what kind of insubordination Zorn was allegedly guilty of in Baltimore?

Thanks,

Everybody

Posted by: sjp879 | January 28, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Banana Splitz

"Uh Oh, Chongo! ... DANGER Island" ... Banana Splitz also had the same theme song as "Buffalo Soldier" by Marley and the Wailers.

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The Graduate (1967)
Blues Brothers (1980)

Juuuuust a bit outside...

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Got Uecker?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

H.R. Pufnstuf (the show that spun off Liddsville).

Moe, any idea about what sort of "stuf" H.R. might have been "pufn"?

Also, please identify the term "lid" in 200 words of less.

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Would you mind telling us what kind of insubordination Zorn was allegedly guilty of in Baltimore?

Thanks,

Everybody

Posted by: sjp879 | January 28, 2011 3:54 PM

You need to click through to the story from the Baltimore Sun:

"But team officials weren't pleased with Flacco's consistency during the season and during games. There were concerns whether Zorn was on the "same page" with Cameron when it came to what Flacco should be learning, a source added."

Posted by: beep-beep | January 28, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Insubordination … hah, give me a break … dysfunction is obviously a hat the team in purple & blue appear not to wear well …

Posted by: wizzfanzz11 | January 28, 2011 3:51 PM


Purple and blue? Zorn...is that you?

If it's not the maroon and black doing you wrong, it's the purple and blue.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 28, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 |

It beats reading your stupid blogs. Maybe you need a life.

Posted by: ged0386 | January 28, 2011 1:17 PM

Did you catch this zeke...lol...always fun stuff going back to catch some comments the bottom feeders leave days later.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"Best comedy of the 1970's:
The Odd Couple
Posted by: zcezcest1"


Best comedy of the 00's.

The Jim Zorn Era. It only ran for two seasons, but man was that some funny shiznit.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 28, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

70's? Gotta include (if they're in the 70's):

Monty Python & the Holy Grail
The Jerk
Caddyshack

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 28, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Holy Grail & Life of Brian
The Jerk
the last good Pink Panther movie

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 |

It beats reading your stupid blogs. Maybe you need a life.

Posted by: ged0386 | January 28, 2011 1:17 PM

Did you catch this zeke...lol...always fun stuff going back to catch some comments the bottom feeders leave days later.

Posted by: PlayAction


Pretty happy with my life. Been there, done that, and I keep going back for more.

What can I say :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ged0386 | January 28, 2011 1:17 PM

Did you catch this zeke...lol...always fun stuff going back to catch some comments the bottom feeders leave days later.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 3:59 PM

Bottom feeder? In case you hadn't noticed, the author to whom you refer received the prestigous G.E.D. in March of '86.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 28, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Everyone talking 70's sit-coms and no one mentions "All in the Family"?

Stifle, Edith.

Posted by: owiz | January 28, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Bottom feeder? In case you hadn't noticed, the author to whom you refer received the prestigous G.E.D. in March of '86.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 28, 2011 4:08 PM

Haha my bad...sounds like SPG material then...I'll get monk after him on monday.

Have a good weekend peeps!

PA out

Posted by: PlayAction | January 28, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Holy Grail was a fabulous movie. Never saw The Jerk ... is that the one that starts with "I was raised a poor black boy ..." ?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Truth is he fixed Flacco problem and there is no need for him now. Plus the Ravens are cheap,once Ray and Ed go that will be the end.

Posted by: shamken | January 28, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Truth is he fixed Flacco problem and there is no need for him now. Plus the Ravens are cheap,once Ray and Ed go that will be the end.

Posted by: shamken | January 28, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Top 5 Worst Sitcoms (all eras)
1. Perfect Strangers
2. My Two Dads
3. Caveman
4. Family Matters
5. The Nanny

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Holy Grail was a fabulous movie. Never saw The Jerk ... is that the one that starts with "I was raised a poor black boy ..." ?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2011 4:19 PM

You never saw The Jerk? You owe it to yourself to see this ASAP, Ok sh1thead (his dog's name).

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Insubordination … hah, give me a break … dysfunction is obviously a hat the team in purple & blue appear not to wear well …

Posted by: wizzfanzz11 | January 28, 2011 3:51 PM

Purple and blue? Zorn...is that you?

If it's not the maroon and black doing you wrong, it's the purple and blue.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 28, 2011 3:59 PM

Maroon and black ... purple and blue .. either way, we are talking colors inferior to the burgundy and gold, or are we ??

Posted by: wizzfanzz11 | January 28, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I'll put in on my to do list Diesel. Steve Martin is a comic genius.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Cam Cameron cut his teeth as a QB's coach, so he probably power-played Zorn out the door. Cam did stellar work in his one year of coaching Miami, when they exploded to a stunning 1-15. Zorn still has Snyder's checks to nurse his wounds. As far as greatest TV comedies go, Seinfeld is in a league of its own. Best comedy of the 1980s: Cheers. 1970s: All in the Family 1960s: Get Smart 1950s: The Honeymooners.

Best movie comedy of all time: Animal House

Best move comedy/drama: The Graduate

Best comedic actor in a leading role, television: Carroll O'Connor
Best comedic actress in a leading role, television: Lucille Ball
Best comedic actor in a support role, television: John Banner as Sgt. Schultz

The swamie has spoken!

Posted by: randysbailin | January 28, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. This is what it says there now ... which makes me think that maybe Allen himself did the editing:

"2011

At the conclusion of the 2010 Season, Mike Shanahan stated that The Redskins were going to revamp their roster in the coming offseason via trades, free agency and the draft. It is widely believed and reported that The Redskins are in a rebuilding process. The general consensus is that Shanahan wishes to reduce the age of the roster, and after a quiet salary cap purge during the 2010 Season by Bruce Allen, the team has many options going into a very promising rebuilding process."

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Best comedic actress in a supporting role, television: Rhea Perlman as Carla

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's a genius...If he gets a job for the '11 season, he'll be getting paid by the Redskins, the Ravens, and his new team.
I aspire to such "insubordination."

Posted by: 4-12 | January 28, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Sleeper Alert- projection range from 5th-7th RD

C Ryan Bartholomew from Cuse via DeMatha.

Ryan Bartholomew isn’t Syracuse’s top performer in the weight room just because of natural ability. He works at it. As an example, Orange head strength coach William Hicks said Bartholomew practiced running the team’s typical 100-yard sprints at home during the players’ post-semester break so he could win the drills. Hicks knew Bartholomew would do that, so he changed the distances when the players returned to start summer conditioning. He had to do something to keep Bartholomew from winning everything. Syracuse’s 6-foot-2, 298-pound senior center topped the team during testing with a 402-pound hand clean and a 525-pound bench press. He also did 30 repetitions on the 225-pound bench press, one of the best on the team, while jumping 31 inches and RUNNING A 4.93 40 on pro day. His body fat is under 17 percent, which Hicks said is far more typical of a defensive lineman than the big guys on the O-line. “He’s a little bit of a freak,” Hicks said. “We joke around and call him a big ball of muscle. Everything looks easy to him in the weight room. The only reason he ever misses something is if I put the wrong weights on, because he lifts everything.” – Brian Bennett, ESPN

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Really glad for Zorn having a good year with the Ravens. Also glad that he is still collecting $$ from his Skins legacy.

He has always seemed to me to be quite comfortable about who he is and what he wants to do with the rest of his life.

He will always do well!

Posted by: 15of18 | January 28, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

The Baltimore Sun article does NOT state insubordination. That word is a bit strong. It DOES mention that Zorn didn't seem to agree on how to best develop Flacco. Let's not use exaggeration in articles.

Posted by: carbon916 | January 28, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Let's not use exaggeration...

Posted by: carbon916
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Good luck with that.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 28, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, nitpicking here, but wouldn't it be "DeMatha via Syracuse"?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

And generally when someone does something contrary to what you demand of him/her because of a differing opinion, it is insubordination. Zorn was a stubborn mule here, and that apparently didn't change when he went to Baltimore.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | January 28, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Nate- yes, I rarely proof read and I'm now embarrassed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 28, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

There is an errant letter somewhere in the post. My computer likes to play word jumble.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 2:55 PM

It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 28, 2011 3:27 PM |

Sh!t man, I'm the first to admit I'm a terrible typer. I don't need any help for my posts to look like they were typed by a one armed stenographer but my Dell is sure gonna help anyway.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Flip_Flop

The only fool is your mother for not going to the clinic when she still had the chance.

Posted by: ged0386 | January 28, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

MColeman51

Why dont your take J Reid's job. You're a blogger, and we all know bloggers know everything about anything and are smarter than everyone else. Presidents, Head Coaches, Writers, GM's of professional sports teams, Judges, non of them are sharper than a blogger on the WP.

Posted by: ged0386 | January 28, 2011 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 2:36 PM

Did your Otis Campbell voluntarily lock himself in his kennel crate every night too?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 28, 2011 2:47 PM

He actually does. Never thought of that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, no worries, Friday afternoon follies up here, just riding the wave.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2011 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Cam Cameron was threatened by Zorn's presence. Zorn is ready to be a OC somewhere. Anyone who questions his ability as a position coach is not looking at the facts, or listening to those QB's he has worked with.

Posted by: 189AROD | January 28, 2011 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Cam Cameron was threatened by Zorn's presence. Zorn is ready to be an OC somewhere. Anyone who questions his ability as a position coach is not looking at the facts, or listening to those QB's he has worked with.

Posted by: 189AROD | January 28, 2011 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I think it was all that Hip Hip Hooray crap that did him in. That cheer used to make me cringe when I was in little league. Imagine large grown men having to pretend to be inspired by it.


Posted by: NYPDee | January 28, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

....Zorn was a stubborn mule here, and that apparently didn't change when he went to Baltimore.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | January 28, 2011 5:21 PM

I don't know what happened in Baltimore, but if Zorn was stubborn as a mule opposing Vinny while he was here, I absolutely applaud him.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's a genius...If he gets a job for the '11 season, he'll be getting paid by the Redskins, the Ravens, and his new team.
I aspire to such "insubordination."

Posted by: 4-12
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Yep, he's crazy... like a mule.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 28, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I was really surprised when I discovered Zorn had be picked up by Baltimore. I knew this wasn't going to work out well for Baltimore or Zorn. He should go looking for a job with ESPN where he can dispense his great insight into college games. NOT!

Posted by: shangps | January 28, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse


Flip_Flop

The only fool is your mother for not going to the clinic when she still had the chance.

Posted by: ged0386 | January 28, 2011 5:42 PM |

Using other folks mothers to prove your point is sooooo old. You can do better than that, fool. Now, go back to your dream of the Redskins being successful under this regime, fool !

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 28, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn wasn't a great head coach and won't likely get a coordinator job any time soon"

That's why there are rumors of him as a candidate for OC in Cleveland and Seattle? Are all those bunk?

Either way, you *have* to factor those rumors in anything approaching a story.

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 28, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Zorn wasn't a great head coach and won't likely get a coordinator job any time soon"

That's why there are rumors of him as a candidate for OC in Cleveland and Seattle? Are all those bunk?

Either way, you *have* to factor those rumors in anything approaching a story.

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 28, 2011


I hope its true and I hope we have them scheduled. The Skins can chalk those up as w's.

Posted by: dcwun | January 28, 2011 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Fools !

Same old song and dance with you fools. When Allen has finished his offseason work and the season starts, the fools will be SB ready. Then as the losses mount, at first it will be "the season is young, I'm willing to be patient". By the end of the year you will be saying, Flip_Flop was right. Fools, get ready for another 20 years of last place in the NFC east, because that is were Allen is taking you fools, the bottom of the NFC east. Fools !

Posted by: Flip_Flop


Buy a Thesaurus, Fool!

Posted by: TheCork | January 28, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Still, they are having a Redskins "cast off" reunion with the Raiders, so you never know...

Campbell
Cartwright
Brennan (I think)
Al Saunders

SO...Zorn???? the future 'leadership' of the Raiders KNEEL BEFORE ZORN

LOL (for the humor impaired)

Posted by: SouthFLskinsfan | January 28, 2011 7:32 PM | Report abuse

By the end of the year you will be saying, Flip_Flop was right.

Posted by: Flip_Flop
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Ironically, by the end of your post I was saying Fuk_Face is a blithering idiot.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 28, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse


"Zorn wasn't a great head coach and won't likely get a coordinator job any time soon"

That's why there are rumors of him as a candidate for OC in Cleveland and Seattle? Are all those bunk?

Either way, you *have* to factor those rumors in anything approaching a story.

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 28, 2011 7:13 PM |


This is not what the discussion should be about. Allen will be Danny Boy's puppet, just like Cerrato. Look no further than the McNabb trade, fools that believe. He can deliver on numbers, but his talent evaluation is without question horrible. Fools !

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 28, 2011 7:45 PM | Report abuse


Ironically, by the end of your post I was saying Fuk_Face is a blithering idiot.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 28, 2011 7:38 PM |

Adolecent dialect.

Most people wait until they have read all text completely before they formed an opinion on the context. Fool !

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 28, 2011 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Most people wait until they have read all text completely before they formed an opinion on the context. Fool !

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 28, 2011 7:55 PM

Most people can't read your text to the end. You should feel flattered that anyone would bother.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 28, 2011 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Most people wait until they have read all text completely before they formed an opinion on the context. Fool !

Posted by: Flip_Flop
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Context? Or content? To quote Inigo Montoya, I do not think that word means what you think it means, Fuk_Face.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 28, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Cam Cameron was threatened by Zorn's presence. Zorn is ready to be an OC somewhere. Anyone who questions his ability as a position coach is not looking at the facts, or listening to those QB's he has worked with.

Posted by: 189AROD | January 28, 2011 6:04 PM

Flacco wants Zorn, Cam doesnt.. sounds like Cam was threatened..

Whatever.. Its good to see former "Snyder Hires" spreading the Skin's dysfunctional legacy.
Hip Hip DisArray Hip Hip DisArray

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 28, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Not exactly sure why Cam Cameron keeps getting a pass. His record at any coaching position includes as many misses as hits. He seems like one of those perpetually overrated coaches, like good old Norv T.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 28, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

And Jack Pardee was booted out of the bridge club at his retirement home. Got any Redskins Insider analysis on that one?

Posted by: closer44 | January 28, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

This Zorn rehash is getting really effing boring.

Want to say thanks to Frak/Scamp (last night) and Flip/Ooogalaboogala (tonight) for keeping this thing semi-interesting.

Posted by: bones21 | January 28, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

They should have kept Zorn and dumped Cam Cameron. They will regret it, but only for a short time because Oz doesn't suffer fools for long.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | January 28, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | January 28, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to join the chorus that Flip Saunders is a problem. The Wizards have trouble closing games on the road. Why not call a timeout to set a good play or two up. He let's the team flow and the end up with Wall taking 3s.

Posted by: TWISI | January 28, 2011 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Cam Cameron was threatened by Zorn's presence. Zorn is ready to be an OC somewhere. Anyone who questions his ability as a position coach is not looking at the facts, or listening to those QB's he has worked with.

Posted by: 189AROD

Jim Zorn couldn't threaten a girl scout, let alone a man.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2011 11:38 PM | Report abuse

A realistic plan for the Skins to get younger

http://www.csnwashington.com/01/25/11/A-plan-for-the-Redskins-to-get-younger-O/landing.html?blockID=397645&feedID=272

http://www.csnwashington.com/01/27/11/A-plan-for-the-Redskins-to-get-younger-D/landing.html?blockID=398896&feedID=4717

Posted by: TWISI |

without getting into the specifics of the articles, it does give us a sense of what it means to 'get younger'. It also important to note that these 2 articles are based around league average age ... which is not the same as young.

Its not a much tougher article to do, but its really about the top 30 or so players. I can live with Buchanon as a 6th or 7th DB. Or a Rock Cartwright sort as a dedicated special teams guy. Or a 33 year old punter or kicker.

fwiw, the plan I put out for the offense in 2010 had the average player on offense younger by roughly 2 years from Shanahan's plan at the start of the year and it was still over 1 year younger at the end. Which is one reason I think 2010 was a wasted opportunity.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 29, 2011 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Um, also nitpicking here (maybe unpicking nit), but "via" means through ... so the player came to Syracuse THROUGH DeMatha. Though I will back down if you guys are talking about Syracuse Academy and DeMatha University.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2011 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Better yet I post a prospect on a football blog and no one wants to talk about the player.

We get Zorn, flip flops, and BuffaloAlan4 morphing back to his old self.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 29, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Cover up your beautiful tittie cleavage with our Puritan hankie so you'll channel your repressed sexual energy into militaristic war fervor thatt we haVE PLANNED FOR YOU LATER...

Posted by: frak | January 29, 2011 1:07 AM | Report abuse

You're right, sween, it could go the other way round. It just doesn't look right to me that way. I tend to think of that structure as being "from [first place] by way of [second place]". Such as.

Ah, the weekend.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 29, 2011 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Flip looks pretty wasted a lot of nights, TWISI, and should be takin' outside and shot..Flip seems to get worse as the night goes on, so Ithinks he's got a spiked water bottle..This will not do, no, no, no, he must ABORT, PULLOUT, GOD, PULLOUT, JESUS, MOTHER MARY, PULLOUT, MAN, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!..snores horribly on the plane..

Posted by: frak | January 29, 2011 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Cover up your beautiful tittie cleavage with our Puritan hankie so you'll channel your repressed sexual energy into militaristic war fervor thatt we haVE PLANNED FOR YOU LATER...

Posted by: frak | January 29, 2011 1:07 AM

Don't you find it odd that out of the hundreds of people that post on this blog you are the only one that sounds like some cracked, half wit, partially labotomized lab rat?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 1:23 AM | Report abuse

scamp, wonder how many c*m -dripping-outta-nostril bl*wj*bs Palin's given to that Hanoi-songbird McCain...Bet she's got more suction than a Formula One drivin' on the roof of a black hole...

Posted by: frak | January 29, 2011 1:48 AM | Report abuse

He might sound like a cracked, half wit, partially lobotomized lab rat, scamp, but dammit he's our cracked, half wit, partially lobotomized lab rat!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 29, 2011 1:48 AM | Report abuse

I like that the NHL all-star game pickin' sides started with a "puck flip", which is fun to say.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 29, 2011 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Scamp- you're the moderator of the blog and you work for the Post. Why don't you just block frak?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 29, 2011 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Alright, one time, before the nukes hit, WHO IS OUR F***IN' QUARTERBACK NEXT YEAR???
88garff**

Posted by: frak | January 29, 2011 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Gosh, that was an easy one, frakker: Rex Effing Grossman.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 29, 2011 2:26 AM | Report abuse

The thing that bothers me about this article is that WaPo insinuates Zorn is a good coach because quarterbacks he has previously coached liked him. That's not a good criteria for a coach. Respect? Yes. Like? Maybe, maybe not. The proof is on the field and both Flacco and Campbell left Zorn's tutelage playing at the same or worse level than they did prior to his arrival. Hasselbeck was a success, I'll grant you, but a 33% success rate is not the performance I would expect from a good coach.

This is not an endorsement of Cameron. He has the uncanny ability to make the most talented receivers seem merely human. It's not earth-shattering news that he and Zorn were oil and water, but, it surprises me that Cameron's job isn't in jeopardy. I suspect Harbaugh's offense will not improve next year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 29, 2011 2:31 AM | Report abuse

I enjoy the scamp-frak ongoing war. It's like listening to a debate between an uncensored Rush Limbaugh and a cracked-up Nancy Pelosi. Pure entertainment. I'm surprised the debate has not moved to the political affiliation of the next Redskins QB. Should the Redskins draft a liberal, conservative or sign a free agent independent?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 29, 2011 2:36 AM | Report abuse

F*** YOU VERY MUCH, YOUR HOLY CENSORSHIP...Who cares what the players politics are, AS LONG AS THE SKINS WIN, and next time you compare me to that sellout wh*re Pelosi, RedSkinHead, I'll make it a point to drop napalm-diarrhea on your comments every bomb run available, so P*SS OFF!!!

Posted by: frak | January 29, 2011 3:32 AM | Report abuse

F*** YOU VERY MUCH, YOUR HOLY CENSORSHIP...Who cares what the players politics are, AS LONG AS THE SKINS WIN, and next time you compare me to that sellout wh*re Pelosi, RedSkinHead, I'll make it a point to drop napalm-diarrhea on your comments every bomb run available, so P*SS OFF!!!

Posted by: frak | January 29, 2011 3:32 AM
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Sorry I struck a nerve, Nancy. So, let me get this right: Nancy Pelosi is a sellout when she leans a little more to the right because the American people voted more to the right in the last election? And she was okay when she was pushing a health care package down the voters throats when the majority of the voters were against it? Hmmm. Maybe you just don't understand democracy.

Go ahead and threaten me with promises to post negative things about me on the blog. It's not exactly the waking-up-with-a-horse's-head kind of thread, but you've got me shaking in my size thirteen booties with that threat.

Personally, I think you should go back to smoking your crack and quit while you're behind. In a battle of wits, your intellectual arsenal is pretty limited.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 29, 2011 5:25 AM | Report abuse

The Ravens and their fans predict Super Bowl every year and when they fall short (as they do every year) someone has to be the scapegoat. This year it was Zorn. The truth of the matter is the Ravens have always been offensively challenged, they're an average team at best, and they only make the playoffs because every year, they benefit from an easy schedule. Look at their 2010 schedule, they beat all the creampuffs, but always lose to good teams.

Posted by: scg1055 | January 29, 2011 6:21 AM | Report abuse

Yes, but my favorite was The Honeymooners....to the Moon Alice!!!....Hum-a-dah, hum-a-dah!....yeah, dem were the good ole-days.

Posted by: agdowning1 | January 29, 2011 7:31 AM | Report abuse

....Spring Byington (she was our first TV Cougar)....and how about Walter Brennen as Grand Pappy Amos, he was the Real McCoy.

Posted by: agdowning1 | January 29, 2011 7:42 AM | Report abuse

year, they benefit from an easy schedule. Look at their 2010 schedule, they beat all the creampuffs, but always lose to good teams.

Posted by: scg1055 | January 29, 2011 6:21 AM | Report abuse

Unlike the Skins....who beat the good teams and lose to the scrubs.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 29, 2011 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Where does Jeff Fisher end up?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 29, 2011 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Where does Jeff Fisher end up?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 29, 2011 8:18 AM | Report abuse

sorry about the double post

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 29, 2011 8:20 AM | Report abuse

the responses on this blog by the ADHD geriatrics sitting in their government offices, commenting here about Mr. Ed and I dream of Genie, are the exact same colon flush that are redskins nation. shadddupppp... we are trying to talk football. zorn will be working at silver diner with McChicken in a few weeks. BTW, top cat was the winner...

Posted by: doyouktt | January 29, 2011 8:25 AM | Report abuse

maybe zorn can coach defense....lets give it a try.

Posted by: bhauge1 | January 29, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Better yet I post a prospect on a football blog and no one wants to talk about the player.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 29, 2011 12:29 AM

I personally believe that Skins should use their first 5th round pick for the super fast, weight room addicted center from Syracuse via DeMatha. That said, it surprises me that the guy would be slotted as a fifth rounder, esp. b/c I've seen his name mentioned before. Am I that much of a mock draft loser that now I'm going to recognize names of guys drafted on Days Two or Three?

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse

... we are trying to talk football. zorn will be working at silver diner with McChicken in a few weeks. ...

Posted by: doyouktt | January 29, 2011 8:25 AM

I guess Zorn has a job in football, but that's not really football talk there.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2011 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Will Obama reveal more proof tonight in the state of the union address just how puppet-mastered he is?

Makes no difference who is president over many decades the state of the union address with all the other Kleptocrats in congress backslapping,clapping,hugging-fest on TV showing how good the phonies on the hill have it.

How many decades has the subject had something to do with citizen financial security yet we get a continuation of more Trickle-around never down wealth economics from govt & big business.

I bet Obama won't mention out of the 236 million people available to work only 140 million filed taxes for 2009 leaving 96 million available to work citizens unaccounted for. There is also one more category of not available to work citizens at 74 million to add up to the 2010 census of close to 310 million people.

Posted by: Debaitor | January 29, 2011 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Where does Jeff Fisher end up?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 29, 2011 8:16 AM

On a one year paid vacation, plus maybe ESPN or CBS.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Debaitor | January 29, 2011 9:09 AM

Now THAT's some non-football. Waddya got on 70s sitcoms?

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse


Where does Jeff Fisher end up?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 29, 2011 8:16 AM |
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on jimmy johnsons boat, fishing and getting drunk

Posted by: hessone | January 29, 2011 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Senior Bowl at 4pm Eastern today! Best outcome for Skins is something like a broken collar bone for Jake Locker ... save us from ourselves.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Where does Jeff Fisher end up?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 29, 2011 8:16 AM |
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on jimmy johnsons boat, fishing and getting drunk

Posted by: hessone | January 29, 2011 9:13 AM

Makes sense. A Fisher should be fishing. Kind of a natural element thing.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Why do you always here idiots with a social platform cry foul about the PC police, yet they vote liberal? Don't these idiots know that liberals created the PC police? That liberals are the ones telling you what's okay to say and think?

Posted by: Debaitor | January 29, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Is the gay marriage crowd breaking down barriers for NAMBLA to go mainstream in the future?

Wearing down of societies moral values over time will make almost anything seem normal down the road.

Posted by: Debaitor | January 29, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Is there still no explanation as to where laws of physics came from? These same laws that non-miraculously govern our universe and planet?

Posted by: Debaitor | January 29, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse


Debaitor

is there a way to shut your face ?

here ya go buddy, a link that might interest you

http://globaldebateblog.blogspot.com/

i'm sure you will find someone who gives a rats ass about your political crap at this sight. till then, get lost.

Posted by: hessone | January 29, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Post=Pack of D*cks..All you undercover shapeshifters spewin' your lies can tongue-party on my a**hole..

Posted by: frak | January 29, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Do Redskin fans not have a political opinion?

Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted in 1948, states that:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."

Posted by: Debaitor | January 29, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

RE: Rex Ryan

Why are conservative women more tolerant of a foot fetish than liberal women?

Posted by: Debaitor | January 29, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse


Debaitor

Do Redskin fans not have a political opinion?
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redskin fans have an array of opinions on every topic under the sun.

my opinion of you, debaitor, is one of a complete ass

Posted by: hessone | January 29, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Why do idiots like to pretend there is such thing as an age of consent and then actually turn it into a law? NO=NO and YES=YES...simple, yet idiots want to make it complicated!

Posted by: Debaitor | January 29, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Debaitor

Do Redskin fans not have a political opinion?
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redskin fans have an array of opinions on every topic under the sun.

my opinion of you, debaitor, is one of a complete ass

Posted by: hessone | January 29, 2011 10:03 AM |

hess,

We don't agree on much but I cosign that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 29, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

How do you unite two enemies living on the same blog? Do you use alien tactics?

Posted by: Debaitor | January 29, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse


hess,

We don't agree on much but I cosign that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 29, 2011 10:04 AM |
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hey flound,

we also agree on who our favorite football team is.

HTTR!!!

Posted by: hessone | January 29, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Don't we humanoids love to pick sides and argue?

Posted by: Debaitor | January 29, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Where does Jeff Fisher end up?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 29, 2011 8:18 AM
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He'll take a year off and then end up in Miami when they dump Sparano.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 29, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Where does Jeff Fisher end up?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 29, 2011 8:16 AM |
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on jimmy johnsons boat, fishing and getting drunk

Posted by: hessone | January 29, 2011 9:13 AM

Makes sense. A Fisher should be fishing. Kind of a natural element thing.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2011 9:16 AM
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Don't they call the guy on the boat who has to take the stanky bait off the hook the "debaitor"? The guy who is most experienced in that job - isn't he called the "master debaitor"?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 29, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Post=Pack of D*cks..All you undercover shapeshifters spewin' your lies can tongue-party on my a**hole..

Posted by: frak | January 29, 2011 9:48 AM
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Hey, don't go away mad, just go away - and save the madness for the crowd of crackheads at home...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 29, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

scamp, wonder how many c*m -dripping-outta-nostril bl*wj*bs Palin's given to that Hanoi-songbird McCain...Bet she's got more suction than a Formula One drivin' on the roof of a black hole...

Posted by: frak | January 29, 2011 1:48 AM |

She sure looks like she could suck a bowling ball through a garden house. At least she looks female. Your savior Pelosi looks more like a lunatic harpy pried from some sarcophagus buried 50,000 years ago.

On a different note. It would be nice to say a prayer (or whatever you prefer) that peace and democracy break out in Egypt. Time for another dictator to go.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

On a different note. It would be nice to say a prayer (or whatever you prefer) that peace and democracy break out in Egypt. Time for another dictator to go.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

This is kind of messed up, but has anyone else ever watched rioting on television and thought,"Hey that kind of looks like fun," ?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 29, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

The offseason on RI is the best.

This is when all the best blogfights happen.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 29, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

This is kind of messed up, but has anyone else ever watched rioting on television and thought,"Hey that kind of looks like fun," ?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 29, 2011 11:05 AM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


April 26th, 1992,
there was a riot on the streets,
tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV,
while I was paticipatin' in some anarchy.

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 29, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

The offseason on RI is the best.

This is when all the best blogfights happen.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 29, 2011 11:08 AM |

It's the equivalent of swating at a retarded fly buzzing around your head.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

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frak always implodes b4 hibernation mode...enjoy him while you can once he sleeps, he doesn't wake for ages. I blame scrambly brains for waking the sleeping giant. N i'm shure taint boy regrets it.

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 29, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The Lord of the Flies mentality.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 29, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

He may have been treated unfairly in D.C., but the fact is he demonstrated an unbelievable level of incompetence. And he demonstrated it repeatedly.

Posted by: kemp13 | January 29, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

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frak always implodes b4 hibernation mode...enjoy him while you can once he sleeps, he doesn't wake for ages. I blame scrambly brains for waking the sleeping giant. N i'm shure taint boy regrets it.

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 29, 2011 11:18 AM |

How does it feel to be the worst of the bottom feeders? You never have anything of your own to add, you just tag on to whatever anybody else is doing. You get in the middle of other peoples stuff, you steal other people's putdowns, you don't add anything intelligent, you just leach and suck scum. You remind me of those sucker fish in the aquarium that eat the crap off the bottom of the tank...or a lawyer.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 29, 2011 11:18 AM |

How does it feel to be the worst of the bottom feeders? You never have anything of your own to add, you just tag on to whatever anybody else is doing. You get in the middle of other peoples stuff, you steal other people's putdowns, you don't add anything intelligent, you just leach and suck scum. You remind me of those sucker fish in the aquarium that eat the crap off the bottom of the tank...or a lawyer.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 11:40 AM |
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in the words of the infamous rodney king, can't we all just get along ?

Posted by: hessone | January 29, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

earth to scotty stop preaching...no one can ever finish reading your boring dribble!

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 29, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

earth to scotty stop preaching...no one can ever finish reading your boring dribble!

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | January 29, 2011 11:55 AM |

Earth to retard, kill yourself.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Jeff Fisher might just discover what Jimmie Johnson found out. That sitting on your boat with a brewski in one hand and a fishing pole in the other doesn't suck at all. It might even beat stress filled 100 hour work weeks, especially when you already have multi-millions in the bank. And a cushy analyst gig awaits as a part time job.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 29, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Another sad day for the maroon and black.

Posted by: movetostrike | January 29, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Yet another debait debacled by the power of ITA.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

The story out of Baltimore concerning former Redskins Coach Jim Zorn is an interesting one -- not because an assistant coach would lose his job after a disappointing end to a season; that happens all the time. Rather, an article in the Baltimore Sun today says a contributing factor in the team's decision was Zorn's insubordination. Considering his two-year tenure in Washington, it's an odd charge to levy.

No it isn't. After the beatdowns and humiliations Zorn suffered at the hands of the evil Danny and Vinny it was only natural that in reacting to being free of that he would try to assert himself a little. The paranoid Cam Cameron saw it as turf encroachment and went to Harbaugh and said can the dude. The rest is history. BTW, is it true that the last two Raven QB coaches have been former Skins coaches? And with three other former Skins - Cameron, Saunders and Jackson - having been recent contributors to the Ravens O, you would think that the Ravens have gone starkers with having accumulated such a huge collection of former Skins O coaches, given that the Skins O over the last decade has been pretty damn sucko.

Posted by: Coriolis | January 29, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

... The paranoid Cam Cameron saw it as turf encroachment ...

Posted by: Coriolis | January 29, 2011 12:39 PM

I don't think it was that complicated or sinister. I think Ozzie figured out that offensive production was not what it could be and Cameron was told he had a year to turn it around or get fired ... and Cameron said fine, but said he wanted full control over the passing game too. That made Zorn redundant. Zorn said fine, then let me find a coordinator job. Lots of hugs, hip hips, and see ya ... but Ravens gotta be nervous that Browns (division rival) might pick Zorn, who now knows not only the offense, but also the strengths and weaknesses of the entire offense.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I think Ozzie figured out that offensive production was not what it could be and Cameron was told he had a year to turn it around or get fired ... and Cameron said fine, but said he wanted full control over the passing game too. That made Zorn redundant. Zorn said fine, then let me find a coordinator job. Lots of hugs, hip hips, and see ya ... but Ravens gotta be nervous that Browns (division rival) might pick Zorn, who now knows not only the offense, but also the strengths and weaknesses of the entire offense.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2011 1:09 PM |

A couple of comments:

1. How did the hugs and hips lead to the nasty "i" word - insubordination - when there is always the "time to move on" shti that you can throw out there?

2. The Ravens O isn't anwhere near as dynamic as it should be with dudes like Flacco, Rice, Boldin and Whosyermama.

Posted by: Coriolis | January 29, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

1. Gregg Rosenthal from PFT through out the "i" word ... Big Media perpetuated it. If it leads, it bleeds. Make something up and people pay attention.

2. Agreed. Probably Ravens brass thinks so too.

Posted by: dcsween | January 29, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

When Zorn got to the Ravens and had a chance to exhale after two years of repression under the thumb of Snyderato he saw an offense that in his mind was underperforming under the direction of Cam Cameron. He went to Harbaugh after the season was over and told him that if you make me OC I can produce a O dynamo. Harbaugh knew that the O wasn't what it should be and called a meeting with Cam and Zorn to let it all hang out. The meeting was pretty brutal, furniture was broken and at the end Harbaugh had to decide and went with Cameron because he knew him better although he wasn't really buds with either. Cameron, seething with anger at finding out that Zorn had undermined him, called a reporter and fed him a story about insubordination.

Posted by: Coriolis | January 29, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Zorn was fired? really? Who cares! is this the Ravens blog??? How bout we have articles that spark discussions like...Will S. Moss be back....Draft speculation....among many many other issues! Just sayin

Posted by: leevi98 | January 29, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

The meeting was pretty brutal, furniture was broken ...

Posted by: Coriolis | January 29, 2011 1:38 PM |

How brutal was it? At one point Cam had a choke hold on Zorn and Harbaugh had to pry him off!

Posted by: Coriolis | January 29, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | January 29, 2011 1:54 PM |

Those discussions have already been had ad infinitum. When you come late to the party you have to be satisfied with what is currently teed up. There are bonus miles available however - 70's comedies folderol, debaits and blog fights.

Posted by: Coriolis | January 29, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Lots of the people who post over on Nationals Journal have the sandiest vaginas that I've ever seen.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 29, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Feel the rhythm!
Feel the rhyme!
Get on up, its bobsled time!

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 29, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Diesel, quick, give us the lowdown on another great late-round draft prospect... This blog is getting super squirrelly.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 29, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

If Egypt concerns you, think of what it is doing with the heads of about everyone who lives in Israel. Didn't we see this movie before?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 29, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Resign mid-season? I would have told them to go screw themselves too. Pay me to go away, then we'll talk. Allow me to do my job, then we'll talk. Support me in my job, then we'll talk. But, drag me through the mud and try your best to embarrass me, screw you!

Posted by: KDSmallJr | January 29, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Knock, Knock???

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 29, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Didn't know Ponder could run.

Seems like whenever I watched a FSU game, he was hurt.

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The meeting was pretty brutal, furniture was broken


Mubarack: I said I'll leave when I'm good and ready.

Egyptian protesters: We didn't say you had to leave.

But you betta get the F up on outta here!

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Ponder looks VERY good as does Hankerson.

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Emo

Check out....

Hudson, og, fsu
Miller, olb, tam
Fuapua? Nt, stanford
Williams, nt, notre dame
Schilling, og michigan
Matthews, ilb oregon
Locke, rb, uk looks quick too

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 29, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse


I see the weekend fools continue to dream. Some of the fools make total fools of themselves by posting their political views for all to see. It is a Redskin blog, total fools, keep it that way. This can of crap, with a FO that talks about a covered practice facility and heated fields. Sounds like the country club atmosphere still exist at Redskin Park. Isn't player personel more important to concentrate on, with FA and the draft near? Isn't practicing in the elements important ? Shanahan said it best himself, "practice translates to better play in games. Well, practice in bad weather fools, and don't use the injury excuse. Dream on, fools

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 29, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The North offensive linemen aren't very good.

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

brandon_in_cali

So far, Ponder, Hankerson, Miller, the big Standford corner, and South Florida d-lineman look good.

I watched a practice where Hudson go outmuscled byy a couple of non-name types.

Locker hasn't impressed.

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Some of the fools make total fools of themselves by posting their political views for all to see.


Some of us fools are so foolish that we notice there isn't much in the way of redskin news to comment on.

So if we fill the opening with political views, we feel we're adding chatta to the conversation as opposed to whining about the free expression of ideas...

..regardless of the forum.

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

How's schillin doing? I think locker is dropping by the minute. He could fall similar to Aaron rodgers, mid twenties.

The dts for the north look solid. We need this yrs raji , even if it's at ten

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 29, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

The Standford Marshall and the Carolina corner Burney are players, no doubt.

Sherrod, the left tackle is playing well, too.

The North's offense is not on the field as the o-line can't stop the South's defenders, meaning you can't get a good view of Solder and Schilling.

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz.........oh well: time to grill.

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 5:30 PM | Report abuse

ponder and miller look good! and that texas corner looks useful as well

Posted by: ddrcoaster | January 29, 2011 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Kaperneck is kinda good.

He or Ponder look like solid second round picks.

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Todd McShay
Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M

"There is a lot of talk about the Texans becoming more versatile in their fronts, and while Miller played end in college we believe he is a good fit as a SAM linebacker in a 4-3 or an inside linebacker in a 3-4. He is a freakish athlete who plays sideline-to-sideline against the run, has upside in coverage and can get after the quarterback as a blitzing linebacker."

McShay is joining me in my assessment of Miller.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 29, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Also, I think this game has solidified that Locker is not our guy. I haven't been impressed at all with his accuracy or really anything else.

Posted by: ddrcoaster | January 29, 2011 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I think this game has solidified that Locker is not our guy.


True, Locker--and a lot of other players--haven't impressed in this game.

And some are having excellent games.

But I wonder if NFL GMs and coaches base their assessments of a player on an all star game.

Guys like Locker have the draft grades they possess because of career play, not one game.

And it all again points out how tough drafting truly is.

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

McShay is joining me in my assessment of Miller.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 29, 2011 6:15 PM |

You mean Todd McShave from Scots Inc? Now all we need is for scampbell1975 to cosign and we will have hit the trifecta of Scotch idiotcracy!

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | January 29, 2011 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Also, I think this game has solidified that Locker is not our guy. I haven't been impressed at all with his accuracy or really anything else.

Posted by: ddrcoaster | January 29, 2011 6:16 PM

Don't underestimate Shanny's ego. If he thought he could change old man McScabb's footwork after however many years don't think he doesn't believe he can't fix Locker's accuracy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 6:49 PM | Report abuse

You mean Todd McShave from Scots Inc? Now all we need is for scampbell1975 to cosign and we will have hit the trifecta of Scotch idiotcracy!

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | January 29, 2011 6:47 PM

Scotch is a drink you moron. A Scot or Scotish refers to a person. Of course I wouldn't expect someone that talks to his hand (as well as uses it for most of his other interpersonal relations) to understand.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Guys like Locker have the draft grades they possess because of career play, not one game.

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 6:45 PM |

It's Combine grades. Bradford rocketed to #1 based on what he showed peeps at the Combine.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | January 29, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

And it all again points out how tough drafting truly is.

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 6:45 PM |

It ain't tough when you have the #1 pick and Andy Luck is sitting there like a curve ball with no break whatsoever.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | January 29, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

TalkToTheHand

It's Combine grades. Bradford rocketed to #1 based on what he showed peeps at the Combine.


True.

Which is why the really interesting assessments will be of the players who've chosen not to play in Senior or EAST-WEST Shrine bowl games.

And these All Star games do have value as a lot of guys do get seen.

Ponder, Achu, Sherrod, Burney, Hankerson, Hudon, Kaepernack, McClain, Miller, etc go into the combin

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 6:57 PM |

Putting your high opinion of my knowledge of all things Scotch aside, you didn't indicate whether you cosign with McShave and Weasel44 on Von Miller.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | January 29, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 6:57 PM |

Putting your high opinion of my knowledge of all things Scotch aside, you didn't indicate whether you cosign with McShave and Weasel44 on Von Miller.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | January 29, 2011 7:11 PM |

Maybe if one of tainty the clowns sock puppets wouldn't have asked the question I would have reponded with something other than "you're a giant pud wacking moron."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Mubarack: I said I'll leave when I'm good and ready.

Egyptian protesters: We didn't say you had to leave.

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 4:17 PM

King Tut:

Dancin' by the Nile, (Disco Tut)
The ladies love his style, (boss Tut)
Rockin' for a mile (rockin' Tut)
He ate a crocodile.

He coulda won a Grammy,
Buried in his Jammies,
Born in Arizona, moved to Babylonia,
He was born in Arizona, got a condo made of stone-a,
King Tut!

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | January 29, 2011 7:35 PM | Report abuse

TalkToMyNuts- I'm no fan of McShay and would love to have Miller but not at OLB.

Weasel44- that's kind of funny.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 29, 2011 7:42 PM | Report abuse

McShay is joining me in my assessment of Miller.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 29, 2011 6:15 PM

McShay is a bum, just above Kiper. However comma Mayock feels the same way and he I believe more than the other two.

Von Miller should be drafted by a 4-3 team (plus what I have seen of him).

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 29, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if one of tainty the clowns sock puppets ...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 7:16 PM |

Scott Campbell - forget tainty. Tell us about Scottso The Clown.

www.scottso.com/

Mebbe momsy got a little too friendly with the Nigerian exchange student? Heh, heh.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | January 29, 2011 7:47 PM | Report abuse


damn scamp, every time I check the board you're arguing with someone.

scottso the clown is funny stuff

Posted by: hessone | January 29, 2011 8:08 PM | Report abuse

damn scamp, every time I check the board you're arguing with someone.

scottso the clown is funny stuff

Posted by: hessone | January 29, 2011 8:08 PM |

It's the same phuking moron, just another one of his meat beaters... you know, perineum/skinshaveaGM/TalkToTheScrote/etc.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Re. Von Miller. He's still the guy I'd want the Skins to pick if he's there at #10. An OLB with his pass rush skills will work in a 3-4 defense. The only issuse is that me mya not be as stout on the rush as the typical 3-4 OLB. However, he's got long arms, per senior bowl measurement, so he could be more thn effective.

I saw Ponder and Hanckerson (sp) today chop up the north defense. Ponder is pure WCO qb. My concern is that his deep ball skilss won't suit Kyle's offense. Hankerson is a solid WR. Only concer is his willingness to go across the middle/

I was really dissapointed in Cam Jordon, and Phil Taylor. The North Ol perfermonace was horrid. Locker is at least 2 years away to be competent in the pocket as a passer.

Posted by: TWISI | January 29, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I like what I see in Ponder and we don't have to burn a first rounder to get him, or maybe even a second for that matter.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 29, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

westjr88 that is what so interesting about Ponder. He makes quick decisions and is a quick study from what I see. He should be a decent NFL qb, depending on his arm strength.

There are three Kentunky Wildcats that should be of value in the draft.

1. Randall Cobb...former HS qb who played WR. He showeed up big time in big games for the Wildcats. He's not real or real fast which puts him on day 3. But this guy makes plays.

2. Derrick (I think) Locke RB....third down RB. Game breaking speed put sevelet build.

3. Mike Hartline (qb).....Had a really solid senior year. I like the fact the he made check at LOS. Good completion rate. FA prospect because he was slow to mature and ended his senior campaign because of disorderly charge he had.

Posted by: TWISI | January 29, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

twisi

Ponder is pure WCO qb. My concern is that his deep ball skilss won't suit Kyle's offense.

The quarterback with the deep ball skills is Mallett.

Is he worth the #10 pick?

Maybe what Kyle should do is re-shape his 'system' to fit the best athlete at quarterback we saw today.

And Ponder-Kaepernack is that kid.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 29, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

And Ponder-Kaepernack is that kid.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 29, 2011 9:06 PM


No doubt Moe. I understand the infatuation with Locker, but he's not a top 10 pick in my mind.

To be honest, Kyle wanted to rock with Grossman, and we know his limitations. Ponder really impressed me on his firs t TD throw. Even though he worked with the WR for only a week, he anticipated his break so good that the DB had no chance.

So here's my position as of this date. elite pass rusher at #10. QB in round 2.

Posted by: TWISI | January 29, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I have something to think about.

Moe just mentioned Mallett's deep ball skills.

Didn't the Skins lead the league in deep passes last year?

That being said we should draft a QB who throws a nice deep one...that sounded gay.

I mean, who wouldn't want to see Anthony Armstrong catching 50 yard touchdowns every week(in stride)?

Also, I felt a different thing with the team last year. Yes, they finished 6-10, but they did it with players I really like to root for. Banks, Armstrong, Torain, Alexander, Williams(both), Orakpo, Barnes etc.

There is my optimistic moment for the day.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 29, 2011 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Guys like Locker have the draft grades they possess because of career play, not one game.

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 6:45 PM |

It's Combine grades. Bradford rocketed to #1 based on what he showed peeps at the Combine.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand
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Actually, wasn't Bradford considered a possible # 1 after his junior year, i.e. based on his career performance (?)... which would make sense... then he decided to stay in school, got hurt, got downgraded b/c of the injury, then his performance at the Combine convinced skeptics he was healthy again...

I would think any intelligent scout/team would grade mostly on the career.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 29, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas if you think about the amout of time Armstrong was open deep and the ball wasn't there, then you can see where this team needs a consistent deep ball thrower.

Lrt me be clear, the #1 question be to resloved is the qb position. If it's the #10 or later pick they have to invest in young talent at the position in this draft. Qb and pass rushers.

Posted by: TWISI | January 29, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas if you think about the amout of time Armstrong was open deep and the ball wasn't there, then you can see where this team needs a consistent deep ball thrower.

Lrt me be clear, the #1 question be to resloved is the qb position. If it's the #10 or later pick they have to invest in young talent at the position in this draft. Qb and pass rushers.

Posted by: TWISI | January 29, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

He was constantly open deep, this offense will be a lot of fun to watch with someone who can hit that throw.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 29, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I just am not comfortable with a QB at # 10, especially with what there is to pick from.
Shuler still haunts me.
I say go with the best available player at # 10, that fills our most glaring need besides QB.
We can get a Ponder or a Kaepernick in middle rounds.
Honestly, I think Ponder could perform as good as Grossman, after going through camp.
He is a really smart guy.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 29, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

westjr- What concerns me about Ponder is his injury history and his arm strength.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 29, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

ponder = jeff garcia 2.0

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 29, 2011 10:47 PM | Report abuse

westjr- What concerns me about Ponder is his injury history and his arm strength.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 29, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I know Diesel....that was my concern about Bradford and the main reason I didn't want to draft him but that worked out pretty good.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 29, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Im just sick of losing.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 29, 2011 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Im just sick of losing.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 29, 2011 11:11 PM |

Amen

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 29, 2011 11:34 PM | Report abuse

'Skins might consider drafting a wrestler in the late rounds. Strong, in shape, dedicated.

Speaking of wrestlers...

http://open.salon.com/blog/corkwriter/2011/01/29/rectum_darn_near_killed_um

Posted by: TheCork | January 30, 2011 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Well, Mr. Corcoran Jr., that was amusing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 30, 2011 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Cork,
Yeah, I never got wrestling in high school. Why would I want to have that much bodily contact with another man? Now, if it was co-ed, I might be a little more accepting. The only problem with that is the women in my weight class wouldn't be what I would consider women I'd like to wrestle with. Barring any co-ed variations of wrestling, I prefer football. In football, we can debate whether a hit was too violent, and not what private area of the body it is okay to violate...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Flacco is now saying firing Zorn was like an "attack on me". I find it just freaking hilarious that the Ravens are having problems in house. For once, we get to hear about dysfunction from the other Maryland NFL franchise...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Well, Mr. Corcoran Jr., that was amusing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 30, 2011 12:30 AM
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Yeah, Cork has violated the RI blogger and superhero code by giving out his secret identity. It won't be long before we hear about beep-beep leaving a pile of burning manure on Cork's front doorstep...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 2:38 AM | Report abuse

It won't be long before we hear about beep-beep leaving a pile of burning manure on Cork's front doorstep...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 2:38 AM

Oh, grow up. That is so last-century. People don't actually do that anymore. Now they just send each other You Tube links of burning poop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lmwMfbCheg

Posted by: beep-beep | January 30, 2011 6:13 AM | Report abuse

It won't be long before we hear about beep-beep leaving a pile of burning manure on Cork's front doorstep...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 2:38 AM

Oh, grow up. That is so last-century. People don't actually do that anymore. Now they just send each other You Tube links of burning poop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lmwMfbCheg

Posted by: beep-beep | January 30, 2011 6:13 AM
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Funny! You got me, beeps, I am definitely so very last century. The trick is to add a little combustible material to the fecal matter so that it will burn longer. I would imagine it would take Cork a while to slip on his pink nightie and bunnie slippers before he got to the door, so you wouldn't want the fire to go out...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 7:17 AM | Report abuse

RSH--

Look, if you really want this done, you don't do it yourself. You pay a specialist to do it for you. You could advertise on Craig's list. I think that fun-loving sock puppet yuk-yuk, Monk811/PlayAction, would probably answer your ad and get it done for you and post a video of it on YouTube.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 30, 2011 7:25 AM | Report abuse

RSH--

Look, if you really want this done, you don't do it yourself. You pay a specialist to do it for you. You could advertise on Craig's list. I think that fun-loving sock puppet yuk-yuk, Monk811/PlayAction, would probably answer your ad and get it done for you and post a video of it on YouTube.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 30, 2011 7:25 AM
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It'd be just my luck that they'd get caught and sell me out as the mastermind... er, master loon. I think I will just settle for signing him up to the Tony Romo fanclub newsletter.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 7:32 AM | Report abuse

you know what I'm sick of...

not having a young, above average, franchise QB.

We've had Grossman, McNabb, Campbell, Brunell, Matthews, Ramsey, Banks, George, Collins, Johnson (last good one), Gannon, Frerrote, Green...

Any young QB we had with promise, we traded them away.

I'm SIC of it! ...to hell with those that say draft Oline with all 7 of our pick! We need a QB!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 30, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning Radskin faithfull,

I agree with most of the comments after watching the Senior Bowl. No real QB really stood out. C. Ponder will not scare any defenses if he decides to throw the long ball. If Von Miller falls to #10 the skins need to take a serious look at him because he is very skilled at his position and he is also a excellent playmaker.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 30, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Cork,
Yeah, I never got wrestling in high school. Why would I want to have that much bodily contact with another man? Now, if it was co-ed, I might be a little more accepting. The only problem with that is the women in my weight class wouldn't be what I would consider women I'd like to wrestle with. Barring any co-ed variations of wrestling, I prefer football. In football, we can debate whether a hit was too violent, and not what private area of the body it is okay to violate...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 2:18 AM

You know it sounds like you're saying wrestling with a dude would be too arousing so you'd prefer a woman. Not that there's any wrong with it. But it is an odd thing to post on a Redskins blog.

Posted by: mack1 | January 30, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

you know what I'm sick of...

not having a young, above average, franchise QB.

We've had Grossman, McNabb, Campbell, Brunell, Matthews, Ramsey, Banks, George, Collins, Johnson (last good one), Gannon, Frerrote, Green...

Any young QB we had with promise, we traded them away.

I'm SIC of it! ...to hell with those that say draft Oline with all 7 of our pick! We need a QB!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 30, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

What are you basing your opinion on with R. Grossman? He's played 3 games for the Skins and you are ready to say he is a wasted QB.....let mr see during the three games that he played in...Dallas he put up all star numbers and nearly won that game in the second half, beat the Titans, lost to the Giants but played hard (if it wasn't for the D. Hall mental lapse the story might have been different).

Lets see, as for John Beck he was inserted as a starter for Miami as a Rookie...Miami lost some games and he hurt his shoulder and was out for the season. The Ravens picked him up for two years (didn't do much) then dealt him to the redskins.

The QB play can be improved with better offensive line play and guys starting to believe in themselfs (i.e. Grossman). The offense can also see increased Efficiency by an improved defensive front 7 (i.e. Von Miller or a Defensive lineman)less time out on the field and fewer points allowed.

The #10 pick (who ever that may be) is not only going to be a starter at his position but he should be someone that has the potential to be really special (i.e. like a Shawn Taylor).

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 30, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

flyinggoose1 I'm a big Von Miller fan. I just don;t see him being there at #10. Dude's got too much pass rush skills. I'm going to start to look at Aldon Smiith and Robert Quinn at that spot.

Posted by: TWISI | January 30, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Any young QB we had with promise, we traded them away.

I'm SIC of it! ...to hell with those that say draft Oline with all 7 of our pick! We need a QB!
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I wouldn't trust any team without a REAL GM to find a QB in the draft unless there was an Elway-type in the year when you had the top pick.

Posted by: joek443 | January 30, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Guys like Locker have the draft grades they possess because of career play, not one game.

Posted by: 1madmoe | January 29, 2011 6:45 PM |

It's Combine grades. Bradford rocketed to #1 based on what he showed peeps at the Combine.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand

I dont believe Bradford did anything physical at the combine it was during his Pro day and private sessions that the scouts got to see how accurate and good his arm was during that time.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 30, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

None of the Senior Bowls QBs impressed me. Ponder may have looked the best, but I live in FLA and have seen him a great deal over the last couple of years; what you saw in the Senior Bowl is typical of his play. I don't think there is a tremendous upside to him. The only two QBs in the draft that may justify a 10th overall pick is Gabbert (who looked great in his bowl game) and Newton. Gabbert will be long gone before the 10th spot and Newton will require an offensive coordinator to change is offensive design to take advantage of what Cam does well (that won't happen here). If somehow, Locker or Mallett are around at pick 42, I think we take a flyer on them and develop them as the Packers did with Rodgers. Can Locker really do a 4.5 40? that would be a plus, but I ain't buying it until I see it at the combine.

Posted by: Skin4Life1 | January 30, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

flyinggoose1 I'm a big Von Miller fan. I just don;t see him being there at #10. Dude's got too much pass rush skills. I'm going to start to look at Aldon Smiith and Robert Quinn at that spot.

Posted by: TWISI | January 30, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

What impresses me the most about him is he really knows where he needs to be on the field at any given play. Something about those Texas boys....last year I was very impressed with Earl Thomas (Safety) selected by the Seahawks going to his 1st pro-bowl.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 30, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Bradford did anything physical at the combine it was during his Pro day and private sessions

The 2008 NCAA National Championship football game the Sooners lost to the Gators was the deciding factor for me.

Yeah, it was just one game in Bradford's career at Oklahoma.

But it was telling as the competition, the Florida Gators, was ripe with future NFL defenders.

The Gator's D hit Bradford repeatedly.

But he took the licks and made some very accurate throws all game--into tight coverage, too.

Yes, the Sooners lost, but I went away from that game thinking Bradford was worth the all the attention and the money--not Tim Tebow.

And if one game can change a made up mind, C Ponder's performance yesterday did that for me.

His injury history aside, the kid and L Hankerson looked in mid-season form after just a week of work: that's telling.

Ponder looks like a very accurate passer with the kind of touch on all throws Skins' fans ape for from a starting quarterback.

Hopefully, he's there at the top of round 2: we'd be fools not to take him.

In fact, Ponder, Kaepernack, Stanzi, Dalton have all moved to the center of this 'we-need-a-quarterback-this-draft' bloggas's mind as their respective Senior Bowl performances were nice teases.

Such is the power of one game....

...sometimes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"He was able to help us get back to the playoffs and we thank him for his contributions," Harbaugh said.

Nice. Nice touch a-hole.

O.K. ALLEN, let's get FLACCO. I saw him several times at DELEWARE, and he's been better than our q-backs while with BALTIMORE. We've got limited picks, so offer someone else instead. Maybe McNABB and HAYNESWORTH.....LOL!

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 30, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

The Von Miller love aside, folks, you do know we already have a stud rush olb: Brian Orakpo.

Maybe you forgot about him?

I know, Miller is this spring's shiny new object, and some of us have ADD.

Those of us who don't do see the greatness in Miller, but would prefer a NT, swing d-tackle, or rush end opposite Carriker drafted in round 1.

Remember the way the 3-4 works: pressure from linemen frees linebackers to make plays.

C Matthews looks good on inside stunts because an extra blocker has to handle BJ Raji.

Harrison satisfies as Casey Hampton delivers pressure like UPS does light-weight packages.

Let's get some beef in front of Von Miller, ooops, I mean Brian Orakpo, and remind ourselves just how good #98 can be.

'Cuz obviously, in craving Miller, a lot of folks have forgotten how good Orakpo already was.

Or: how bad the redskin defensive line is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Any young QB we had with promise, we traded them away.

I'm SIC of it! ...to hell with those that say draft Oline with all 7 of our pick! We need a QB!
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I wouldn't trust any team without a REAL GM to find a QB in the draft unless there was an Elway-type in the year when you had the top pick.

Posted by: joek443 | January 30, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

If that was the case then Carolina who has the 1st pick would be selecting a QB if and only if A. Luck was coming out. Buffalo picks at #3 and they probably will select B. Gabbert to finally answer the next heir to Jim Kelly tag (legitimate franchise QB).

With strength of this draft in the late 1st round being defensive and offensive linemen I would not waste the 2nd pick on other than those areas...remember best player available principle. Watching the senior bowl illustrates that our 2nd pick can be a very good starter in this league for years to come. I was not sold on any of the QBs that played yesterday...none of them reached out and showed that they are any better than what we have currently.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 30, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

The Von Miller love aside, folks, you do know we already have a stud rush olb: Brian Orakpo.

Maybe you forgot about him?

I know, Miller is this spring's shiny new object, and some of us have ADD.

Those of us who don't do see the greatness in Miller, but would prefer a NT, swing d-tackle, or rush end opposite Carriker drafted in round 1.

Remember the way the 3-4 works: pressure from linemen frees linebackers to make plays.

C Matthews looks good on inside stunts because an extra blocker has to handle BJ Raji.

Harrison satisfies as Casey Hampton delivers pressure like UPS does light-weight packages.

Let's get some beef in front of Von Miller, ooops, I mean Brian Orakpo, and remind ourselves just how good #98 can be.

'Cuz obviously, in craving Miller, a lot of folks have forgotten how good Orakpo already was.

Or: how bad the redskin defensive line is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

I think you can pick up a really good defensive lineman with our 2nd round pick. This defense would scream having Orakapo on one end and Von Miller at the other end or at inside. Having a front line of Carricker, Bryant with Kemolatu, and the 2nd round pick with Jarmon.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 30, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Franchise Tags for the upcoming season.

QB – Franchise: $14.65 million. DE – Franchise: $8.99 million.
RB – Franchise: $6.62 million. DT – Franchise: $6.06 million. RB 2010 was $8.156 million
WR – Franchise: $9.88 million. LB – Franchise: $8.3 million.
TE – Franchise: $4.46 million. CB – Franchise: $9.96 million. CB 2010 was $9.566 million,
OL – Franchise: $8.45 million. S – Franchise: $6.34 million.
K/P – Franchise: $2.48 million.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Orakapo on one end and Von Miller


I don't get the idea of possessing two high end players who do the same thing (rush the passer) when you have defensive needs at other positions (inside linebacker, corner, nose tackle, free safety, right defensive end).

And from what I saw in the final redskin games, we already have some guys--Robjax, for example--who might be very capable olbs opposite the stud rusher we already have.

Again: we should make moves to add J Powe or P Taylor or A Clayborne or C Heyward or G Ballard or M Daceus to get some young studs in the middle and end of our defensive line.

A strong, pressuring defensive line will make average linebackers look good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

And if one game can change a made up mind, C Ponder's performance yesterday did that for me.

His injury history aside, the kid and L Hankerson looked in mid-season form after just a week of work: that's telling.

Ponder looks like a very accurate passer with the kind of touch on all throws Skins' fans ape for from a starting quarterback.

Hopefully, he's there at the top of round 2: we'd be fools not to take him.

In fact, Ponder, Kaepernack, Stanzi, Dalton have all moved to the center of this 'we-need-a-quarterback-this-draft' bloggas's mind as their respective Senior Bowl performances were nice teases.

Such is the power of one game....

...sometimes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

The poblem I have with Ponder is that he can not make all the throws at the NFL level and he showed that when he threw a deep ball that hung up in the wind and that the reciever had to go back for.

He talked about that throw a little bit and mentioned it was a poor throw and the ball was wet. Opposing defenses would not be scared of being beaten by the threat of a deep route pattern.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 30, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Hey goose

His name was Sean Taylor not Shawn Taylor.

Talk about missin a guy n we can't even get his name right.

That devaluates your next ten posts for that error.

A fs would be nice but let's see what we got in Moore/barnes n think bout adding champ back there

Imagine a fs who can play corner n a corner who can play safety

There's some nive versatility we could use on d

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 30, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Orakapo on one end and Von Miller


I don't get the idea of possessing two high end players who do the same thing (rush the passer) when you have defensive needs at other positions (inside linebacker, corner, nose tackle, free safety, right defensive end).

And from what I saw in the final redskin games, we already have some guys--Robjax, for example--who might be very capable olbs opposite the stud rusher we already have.

Again: we should make moves to add J Powe or P Taylor or A Clayborne or C Heyward or G Ballard or M Daceus to get some young studs in the middle and end of our defensive line.

A strong, pressuring defensive line will make average linebackers look good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 11:35 AM
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I get you Moe-man. The knock I've heard about the guys we have manning the other OLB position is pass coverage skills. I don't buy it: there are more pressing needs. Let Haslett scheme around it. I think the greatest thing they can do for this defense is get a pocket-crushing nose tackle. One of the things I have heard about the reasoning to migrate to a 3-4 is because it is easier to get players in the lower rounds of the draft. I want to see that from Bruce Allen and company...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

Von Miller demonstrated the ability to read coverages and he displayed excellent closing speed. Again, if he slips down in the 1st round to #10 you take him in a heart beat and look to satisfy the #2 pick with either a defensive or offensive lineman.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 30, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Cork,
Yeah, I never got wrestling in high school. Why would I want to have that much bodily contact with another man? Now, if it was co-ed, I might be a little more accepting. The only problem with that is the women in my weight class wouldn't be what I would consider women I'd like to wrestle with. Barring any co-ed variations of wrestling, I prefer football. In football, we can debate whether a hit was too violent, and not what private area of the body it is okay to violate...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 2:18 AM

You know it sounds like you're saying wrestling with a dude would be too arousing so you'd prefer a woman. Not that there's any wrong with it. But it is an odd thing to post on a Redskins blog.

Posted by: mack1 | January 30, 2011 10:18 AM
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And did you read Cork's article? Nah, you were too busy just trying to snipe what someone else wrote instead of understanding the context. What you are agreeing with is you think it is okay for a man to massage your sphincter with their fingers... Go read Cork's blog and then come back, will you? Geesh.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Moe- Miller is not only an elite pass rusher but he's a sideline to sideline type player with coverage skills. Which is why he'll be a Sam in a 4-3 D or an ILB in the 3-4.

He played in the 4-3 as a SAM until this YR when TAMU switched to a 3-4. His NCAA leading 17 sacks came in 2009 as the Sam and had 10.5 this YR as an OLB in the 3-4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

Von Miller demonstrated the ability to read coverages and he displayed excellent closing speed. Again, if he slips down in the 1st round to #10 you take him in a heart beat and look to satisfy the #2 pick with either a defensive or offensive lineman.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 30, 2011 11:51 AM
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No, if he slips you trade the pick to a team willing to give up the farm to get a blitzing linebacker... Then you use those picks on a nose tackle and offensive linemen, break out a cigar, and declare the draft a success.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Brandon,

You are right my error on Sean Taylor. Sure do miss that guy...defense has never been the same since his unfortunate death.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 30, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Moe- Miller is not only an elite pass rusher but he's a sideline to sideline type player with coverage skills. Which is why he'll be a Sam in a 4-3 D or an ILB in the 3-4.

He played in the 4-3 as a SAM until this YR when TAMU switched to a 3-4. His NCAA leading 17 sacks came in 2009 as the Sam and had 10.5 this YR as an OLB in the 3-4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Diesel...he's too good of a talent to let slip away. Get your defensive line help in the later rounds ..like at #2 or what I would like to see is one of the offensive linemen here.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 30, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

No, if he slips you trade the pick to a team willing to give up the farm to get a blitzing linebacker... Then you use those picks on a nose tackle and offensive linemen, break out a cigar, and declare the draft a success.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I agree if a team was interested in the 10th spot and you could pick up an additional pick/s then that would have to be considered.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 30, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I never got wrestling in high school. Why would I want to have that much bodily contact with another man? Now, if it was co-ed, I might be a little more accepting.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 2:18 AM

The high school league my son wrestles in is co-ed. He has a girl on his team who just won the league championship, as a freshman, in her weight class.

However, she's had a few boys who forfeited to her -- either unwilling to wrestle a girl or afraid of being beaten by a girl. She's also picked up a few forfeits when they wrestle religious schools. And, as for your assumption that "the women in my weight class wouldn't be what I would consider women I'd like to wrestle with" this is unadulterated prejudice. She's more attractive than most of the girls in their school. She just likes to wrestle, and she's good at it -- a champion.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 30, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

TalkToMyNuts ...

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 29, 2011 7:42 PM |

I can tell you what they said - "We want out of MistaMoe's mouth. We're constantly scraping against his diseased, cavity-riddled teeth (what is left of them) and there is the constant risk of getting a serious infection."

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 30, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

beep- "She's more attractive than most of the girls in their school"

Ok Aqualung

Sitting on the park bench --
eyeing little girls with bad intent.
Snot is running down his nose --
greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes.
Aqualung
Drying in the cold sun --
Watching as the frilly panties run.
Aqualung
Feeling like a dead duck --
spitting out pieces of his broken luck.
Whoa, aqualung

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Get your defensive line help in the later rounds ...

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 30, 2011 12:07 PM |

Easier said than done when you blew #3 and #4 on 1 yr rentals that didn't turn out so good.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 30, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I never got wrestling in high school. Why would I want to have that much bodily contact with another man? Now, if it was co-ed, I might be a little more accepting.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 2:18 AM

The high school league my son wrestles in is co-ed. He has a girl on his team who just won the league championship, as a freshman, in her weight class.

However, she's had a few boys who forfeited to her -- either unwilling to wrestle a girl or afraid of being beaten by a girl. She's also picked up a few forfeits when they wrestle religious schools. And, as for your assumption that "the women in my weight class wouldn't be what I would consider women I'd like to wrestle with" this is unadulterated prejudice. She's more attractive than most of the girls in their school. She just likes to wrestle, and she's good at it -- a champion.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 30, 2011 12:17 PM
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I cry BS! Show me a woman that wrestles as a heavyweight. I'm 220. I've known six foot amazon women that couldn't top 165. Good for the girl in your son's school, but let's see where she is in a few years. Chances are the guys she has been wrestling with have outgrown her and she no longer wrestles (except maybe in the back seat of some boy's car). The problem with recognizing women as equals in sports is that they are not genetic equals any more than a male lion is equal to a female lion. That's not unadulterated prejudice. It's a fact. Where are all of the women in the NFL, collegiate football, or even high school football? Are they kept out because of a good old boys' conspiracy? Heck, find me a 330 pound female offensive tackle tomorrow that can block and I will be crying for the Redskins to draft her! But you won't.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

beep- "She's more attractive than most of the girls in their school"

Ok Aqualung

Sitting on the park bench --
eyeing little girls with bad intent.
Snot is running down his nose --
greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes.
Aqualung
Drying in the cold sun --
Watching as the frilly panties run.
Aqualung
Feeling like a dead duck --
spitting out pieces of his broken luck.
Whoa, aqualung


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2011 12:24 PM
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Can't beat the classics. Love me some Jethro Tull from time to time, and that song is tops.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

This is Kareem Moore's new tattoo...No Joke. Maybe the problems with Moore aren't just ability.

http://twitpic.com/3tyb35

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

And, as for your assumption that "the women in my weight class wouldn't be what I would consider women I'd like to wrestle with" this is unadulterated prejudice.

I've never met RSH but it's possible he weighs 200#.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 30, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I've never met RSH but it's possible he weighs 200#.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 30, 2011 1:20 PM

What's wrong with being over 2 bills. I'm 220 and prefer to wrestle with females in the 115-130 lb range.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with being over 2 bills. I'm 220 and prefer to wrestle with females in the 115-130 lb range.

Not a thing. I'm 209 and my wrestling partner Wirewoman is 105. Just saying I wouldn't want to wrestle with a woman in my weight class either.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 30, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I think the greatest thing they can do for this defense is get a pocket-crushing nose tackle.


One thing the NFL playoff final 4 had was a dominating defensive line that stumped offensive lines.

D-lines free linebackers to make plays, y'all.

If we get beef up front, we'll stop the run AND get pressure up in a quarterback's face.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Moe, you gonna "weigh in" on this one?

Posted by: wireman65 | January 30, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

If we get beef up front, we'll stop the run AND get pressure up in a quarterback's face

Gotta agree. Different defense but I loved the days of Dave Butz, Darrel Grant, Dexter Manley and Charles Mann. And Danny White can barely remember them.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 30, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse


If we get beef up front, we'll stop the run AND get pressure up in a quarterback's face.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 1:39 PM |
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yep, beef up both sides of the ball and,

SAVE THE WHALES !!!

Posted by: hessone | January 30, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"And, as for your assumption that "the women in my weight class wouldn't be what I would consider women I'd like to wrestle with" this is unadulterated prejudice. She's more attractive than most of the girls in their school."Posted by: beep-beep

I'm trying to picture myself at 15 wrestling an attractive girl -- nope, can't do it. I'd be handicapped by that extra leg.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 30, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

No, if he slips you trade the pick to a team willing to give up the farm to get a blitzing linebacker... Then you use those picks on a nose tackle and offensive linemen, break out a cigar, and declare the draft a success.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 11:56 AM

That would be foolish unless they get a stud pass rusher on the DL. The whole purpose for the 3-4 is to generate pressure on the qb which requires play makers. If you can get an elite rusher you take regardless if he plays on the DL or LB. Having another elite rusher would allow the team to commit more players in coverage, or to scheme offenses into mistakes.

Posted by: TWISI | January 30, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I think my new favorite owner is Bud Adams of Tennessee. Basically he dumped Jeff Fisher because he's 88 and is probably going to die in the next few seasons and wants him one of those big Lombardi gewgaws to set beside him in the family tomb. He figured the best way to get there would be to demonstrate to potential replacement coaches that working for him would be a living nightmare. That way he's almost sure to get Mike Munchak instead of Gruden or Cowher. That way he saves some $$ in case somebody figgers out how he CAN take it with him.

I love an NFL owner that makes me feel better about Dan Snyder.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 30, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Basically he dumped Jeff Fisher because he's 88 and is probably going to die in the next few seasons...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 30, 2011 3:06 PM

You're serious about this? If so, yeah, it's pretty obvious Jeff Fisher isn't going to win anything in the next few seasons. Or, ever.

In 16 years as head coach, Fisher's record is 147-126, including his 5-6 post season showing. The only thing amazing about the firing is that it was so long coming. This guy should have been gone in 2004 after he went 5-11 and before he went 4-12 the next year.

Not sure how you can try to make this firing -- after 16 years -- as a knock on the owner. He was one patient dude.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 30, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I hate it when a steaming load of poop makes its way into my pants before I can make it to the toilet.

Oh rats.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 30, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Actually Rick,

Jim Zorn had a 3 year contract for 9 million dollars starting in 2008. If he didn't work last year he would have been paid his final check of $3 million. So to indicate he is still cashing Snyders paychecks is incorrect.

Posted by: skinsfanmania | January 30, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

And did you read Cork's article? Nah, you were too busy just trying to snipe what someone else wrote instead of understanding the context. What you are agreeing with is you think it is okay for a man to massage your sphincter with their fingers... Go read Cork's blog and then come back, will you? Geesh.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 30, 2011 11:52 AM

Not sure how any of that makes what you posted sound any less gay.

Posted by: mack1 | January 30, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse

     Ok, get this...what we need to do is work out a deal with the Vikings. We trade them Haynesworth for Rice. They get a great, low cost DT for their 4-3 defense to replace Pat Williams, who just came off elbow surgery and reportedly may not return to the team despite declaring last November he wanted to come back. The Vikes just picked up a superstar CFL WR and may just think about this deal. Having Rice would SO shore up our WR corps. Of course, resign Moss and continue to revel in finding unknowns Armstrong and Banks. Remaining contest would be between Austin, who has shown promise, and Malcolm Kelly, who looks good on paper and maybe a hospital gown, but has barely laced up as a pro.
     Keep McNabb as starter and Vexy Rexy as bridesmaid. Consider the last 3 games of this last season
     Ride the wave with Torrain, Portis, and Kierland. Go with young Young at FB and cut Sellers, who seems to have lost a step and isn't the QB or RB blocker we need anymore.
     No need to touch the TE lineup. They got a smiley face sticker.
     Resign Jammal Brown. Pick up Deuce Lutui from the Cardinals to team up on the right side with Brown. Then work it to pick up Ryan Kalil from the Panthers since he won't be franchised. Despite the concerns of him not going against elite beef eaters, he would be a vast improvement at center and would solidify a solid, young O-line.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | January 30, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

On defense, we should pick up DE Marcus Spears from Dallas. Not a top pass rusher, which is a need, but I'll get to that. Spears is young, healthy now after being on IR last year, good at taking on double teams on run plays to allow LBs to break through the line, and has been in the 3-4 for years now. Plus, he can't be fond of not being a fan favorite in Dallas and might like going to the rival team!
     Carriker did well at DE, but it's time to part ways with Daniels and Holliday who have had long, commendable careers. Keep Gholston and Jarmon, who may still turn into a headliner. 
     Clearly, Nose Tackle must be addressed. No way Ngata's going to be available and anybody else in FA status isn't really an upgrade for us. The question is: Do we rely on Bryant and Kemoeatu in rotation this year? Maake has another year removed from being on IR and another offseason to prepare and may surprise everyone. Otherwise, we need to look at the draft. Best second round option would be Phil Taylor from Baylor. He's really big and bulky and has a good push. Also, he's from Clinton, MD...a hometown boy. Not going NT 2nd round? No one drafted lower will contribute much, if anything, this season.
     What we need is to couple a dynamic OLB to create a formidable pass rushing threat. I say we use our first round pick on Von Miller (Texas A&M). He's great at getting sacks and defending the pass. Orakbo and he would be frightening for OCs to game plan against. Trade McIntosh for a much needed 3rd round pick and get Riley up-to-speed as Fletcher's inside bookend. Use the 3rd round pick for an ILB pick (or FS, CB, or DE).
     Hopefully Landry will be back in full force this year. We need a good FS. There's not a lot of quality options in FA that will be available to pick up...maybe Dawan Landry from Baltimore? That would at least be fun for the headlines. We need to use a later round pick to find a young man to groom unless we want to use our 2nd round pick on FS Rahim Moore from UCLA instead of going NT. If not Moore in the 2nd, go with Blake Gideon from Texas in the 4th round (gotten by trading our 2 5th round picks).
     It would be nice to have Nnamdi Asomugha from Oakland or even Bailey back in Burgundy & Gold and with his old coach, but both would be too expensive to be able to do all the things suggested above. Our best bet is to stick with Hall (duh) as a starter and Buchanan as a good dime CB. Do we keep Rogers and just deal with his dropitis to have his reliable cover skills or do we find someone like Antonio Cromartie who may not be staying with Jets? I have watched Cromartie a good deal when he was with the Cardinals and think he has real nice skills...enough to be a good #2.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | January 30, 2011 6:24 PM | Report abuse

lakers just got put on notice.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 30, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

F the Lakers, Cowboys, Yankees and Duke.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 30, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to the Boston celtics. I didn't get a chance to see the game but I heard on the radio they just beat the lakers.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 30, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | January 30, 2011 6:24 PM

You know what else would be super awesome...If we could fart rainbows and ride unicorns to work.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Don't think the redskin defensive line has issues?

Consider:

Adam Carriker--good pick up

Phil Daniels--IR'd, up there in years

Albert Haynesworth--will he even be a redskin come Labor Day?

And if he is, will he play up to the media clippings or his own personal pidgeon droppings?

Kedric Golston--a 4-3 defensive tackle back up, really

Vonnie Holliday--a very capable defensive end who also is up there in years

Joe Joseph--a rookie

Darrion Scott--who?

Jeremy Jarmon--a mystery, really

Anthony Bryant--a solid find at age 29

Ma'ake Kemoteau--has he been hampered by an achilles injury or is he just a reach?

And we mean not one of these men any disrespect, but, face it, outside of Bryant, Carriker, and Holliday, no one listed is a real threat to any team's offensive line.

The skins really need to find a couple of dominating types at the defensive end spot opposite Carriker and Nose Tackle.

And a defensive tackle who can also play some defensive end would be nice, too.

There are players in the draft who can satisfy those concerns.

And we should all be concerned if the team doesn't take any steps to add them.

The FA route might bring Ngata or some other such stud

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | January 30, 2011 6:24 PM

You know what else would be super awesome...If we could fart rainbows and ride unicorns to work.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2011 6:58 PM

Such intelligent incite and a witty retort. Sorry you're having a crappy weekend.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | January 30, 2011 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Explain to me way Brandon Banks is not in the Pro Bowl again?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 7:28 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe you drumming the beat of Dline issues is on point. Jarmon if he can stay healthy can be solid backup next year. Scott IMO played solid the last two games. He'll be 30 halfway through the season, but hasn't played much the past few years because of his crime. Good NTs will be in the 2nd and 3rd. The Skins need to get the 3rd rounder back there will be really talented players that fit the Skins needs in that round because of all the underclassmen in this draft.

Posted by: TWISI | January 30, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Still stuck on the firing of the Zornado for a post huh? Boooo...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 30, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse

twisi

This draft is very much like the '09 draft where there were a bevy of offensive tackle types to choose from.

And the redskins left that draft without taking one, even though tackle was a position of need.

This go 'round, we have serious weaknesses with regard to talent and depth on the d-line and the draft is awash with defenders.

And so, if it can be said, let's not repeat the mistake of '09.

Let's, at the minimum, grab two kids from the draft and add a FA defensive linemen to replace Daniels and/or Haynesworth.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 7:47 PM | Report abuse

LFB with a PICK!

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2011 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Flecther with the INT!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 7:50 PM | Report abuse

this team has so many holes it is hard to imagine an area of more need than another. true line play on both sides needs to be shored up, but so do LB's and WR's FA and the draft will be fun to watch. I'm asking the powers that be at WaPo to please give us something esle to discuss than Zorn.......

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 30, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

The Skins need to get the 3rd rounder back there


Amen.

And increasingly, it seems trading away the 10th pick to secure a 3rd and other considerations is more like what we need.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 7:59 PM | Report abuse

DHall with a pick!

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2011 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Hall just got a pick in the pro bowl

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 30, 2011 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Let's go, NFC, let's go!

(Especially next week at this time!)


Packers 24

Steelers 20


MVP = Jordy Nelson, wr Packers

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Jesus thats 3 picks in like 2 minutes

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 30, 2011 8:06 PM | Report abuse

The Skins are balling in the ProBowl.

The old man with a pick and D-Hall with a pick...NICE.

And Moe, you can thank Perry Riley and Reed Doughty for Brandon Banks not being in the Probowl.

Question: If Torain plays 14-16 games next year, will he go to the Probowl? I say yes.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 30, 2011 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Hall force fumble return for TD

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 30, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Best game for the Skins all season!! Wow...represent...represent!!

Posted by: ZornInMySide | January 30, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Now if Orakpo gets a sack it will be the trifecta

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 30, 2011 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Packers 24

Steelers 20

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 30, 2011 8:05 PM

Cosign.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 30, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I thought Hall didn't deserve to go to the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: msrent | January 30, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Reskins are ballin', Brandon Lloyd is a d-bag...that is all.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 30, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Two turnovers and a TD in the first half, he sucks. Can't cover. Maybe the AFC should try the double move.

Posted by: msrent | January 30, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

AFC quarterbacks blow

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 30, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Two turnovers and a TD in the first half, he sucks. Can't cover. Maybe the AFC should try the double move.

Posted by: msrent | January 30, 2011 8:32 PM

Easy now. This isn't the first great game he's had. What you should be asking yourself is why can't he be more consistent? He's still young so maybe he will...

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 30, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Scamp,

Agreed this is a joke.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 30, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

D. Hall with the Deion Sanders patented "back tackle."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 30, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

pro-bowl commentators are moe-rons.

One of them stated...

"This is highest number of first time Pro-Bowl players, ever (29)"...

Ummmmm could it be that is because under this new NFL format, for the first time in the Pro-Bowl history, the two best teams in the NFL do not have representatives?

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 30, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Redskins may be looking for redemption for the 1940 NFL Championship game...hmmmm nevermind.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 30, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

DHall had an awesome first half on national network tv...

Trade him!!!

His value will never be higher (one 2nd round pick or possibly two low picks?).
By the time the Skins are fully competitive (3 years), he'll be done. But, the picks he brings could contribute for the next 10 years.

Unfortunately, Snyder, who is presently emailing his Skin's jersey manufacturer and merchandiser to double up on the DHall jerseys.. will never allow it.....

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 30, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Scamp. I thought he was trying to strip the ball and just got pushed out of the way. He surely wasn't trying to wrap the guy up (not that that is how he tackles). Hall is who he is, he's going to try for the turnover every play. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't.

Posted by: msrent | January 30, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Scamp. I thought he was trying to strip the ball and just got pushed out of the way. He surely wasn't trying to wrap the guy up (not that that is how he tackles). Hall is who he is, he's going to try for the turnover every play. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't.

Posted by: msrent | January 30, 2011 9:10 PM

There was one play where he definitely went in with the back first.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 30, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Damn...DHall gives up two TDs in a span of 4 seconds.. coverage on wayne and ko return fumble?

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 30, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Damn...DHall gives up two TDs in a span of 4 seconds.. coverage on wayne and ko return fumble?


Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 30, 2011 9:22 PM

Um...Devin Hester tossed the ball at his knees while he wasn't looking...how's that on him? I understand people's disdain for D. Hall at times but there's no need to make sh!t up.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 30, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Brandon drops two more (or was it three)?

Posted by: msrent | January 30, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

The skins gotta be combining for most tackles/plays on D

Posted by: hcic55 | January 30, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Damn...DHall gives up two TDs in a span of 4 seconds.. coverage on wayne and ko return fumble?


Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 30, 2011 9:22 PM

Um...Devin Hester tossed the ball at his knees while he wasn't looking...how's that on him? I understand people's disdain for D. Hall at times but there's no need to make sh!t up.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 30, 2011 9:37 PM

you're kidding, right? Are we watching the same game? According to my tivo, it was a catchable ball and even the commmentator said it "looked like Hall didnt want the ball".
Who cares? I wasnt trying to put him down..just pis-sed off he looked bad on those two quick AFC TD's.
As mentioned before, I wish him a great game to increase his trade value.
There are only a few players on the Skins that could bring much needed rebuilding picks and he is one of him.

Or, the Skins can continue to do it the "Snyder way" and never rebuild with youth by hanging onto marquee players until they have worthless trade value. I can think of dozen examples, right now.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 30, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to ask for some support from my fellow Redskins diehards!

Support my Skins blog: http://www.ChatRedskins.com

Posted by: Sports4eva | January 30, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

D Hall MVP

Posted by: hcic55 | January 30, 2011 10:31 PM | Report abuse

HA-HA!!! DeAngelo the MVP!!! Regan from the Excorcist vomits pea soup into Post-bigots losers faces..Hate away on the Redskins, losahs..

Posted by: frak | January 30, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to ask for some support from my fellow Redskins diehards!

Support my Skins blog: http://www.ChatRedskins.com


Posted by: Sports4eva | January 30, 2011 10:30 PM

I will be sure to visit your new website...
How did you get an authorization from the Redskins and/or NFL's Intellectual Properties on that domain? That, in itself, is a major licensing obstacle.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 30, 2011 10:50 PM | Report abuse

HA-HA!!! DeAngelo the MVP!!! Regan from the Excorcist vomits pea soup into Post-bigots losers faces..Hate away on the Redskins, losahs..

Posted by: frak | January 30, 2011 10:40 PM

==================================================================================
Congratulations to DeAngelo. But, I'd rather the Skins of made the playoffs with team players, than go gah-gah over a selfish player in a worthless game, whose gambling style of play lost more games than won for the Skins in 2010.

Enjoy your strangely bizarre giddyness, frak.

Posted by: reader51 | January 30, 2011 11:05 PM | Report abuse

bleep bleep

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 31, 2011 12:24 AM | Report abuse

yeh. Punchline to this article is hilarious:

"But, at least the Redskins are still fkucked."

classic.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 31, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Did the Ravens consider bringing one, or better yet, two, Sherms?

Posted by: smutsboy | January 31, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

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