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Fletcher, Carter Will Have MRIs

The Redskins are hoping not to be too thin at linebacker and along the defensive line this weekend. Linebacker London Fletcher (ankle) and end Andre Carter (foot) both went for MRIs today, with Coach Jim Zorn not yet apprised of their status.

Defensive tackle Kedric Golston was on crutches with a bone spur in his foot, with Zorn saying Golston "went to heroics" to stay in Sunday's game. Linebacker Marcus Washington will remain out against the Giants with a high-ankle sprain, though Zorn said he expects defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery to be back after missing a few games with an Achilles' injury. Defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin got an injection in his injured shoulder to get through Sunday's game, but Zorn said he expects him to play against New York.

With such a cloudy personnel situation, Zorn said the Redskins could play nickel a lot against the Giants. We then asked if he was serious, since the Giants' three-headed rushing attack usually requires at least eight in the box to try to contain it, much less six, and he essentially concurred.

H.B. Blades would replace Fletcher if need be, while reserve Alfred Fincher would play a lot of strong-side linebacker (this, given their collective lack of size and experience, would be an invitation for the Giants to attack the perimeter run defense, an area in which Seattle excelled). The natural idea, too, would be to keep defensive end Jason Taylor playing a lot of linebacker, but there is a good chance Taylor may have to play right end Sunday, given Carter's injury, and the Skins are going to need Demetric Evans at left end most of the time anyway, given New York's rushing attack.

(It doesn't matter who is at RB for the Giants, they are going to pound the rock on the ground and take the Skins' strength, the secondary, out of this game. They're going to make those corners take their lumps in the run game and hit a few things on play action).

As for other injuries, Zorn said that he fully expects running back Clinton Portis to play against the Giants. Portis strained a ribcage muscle to go with his various knee and hip ailments. Zorn made light of Portis's situation, feigning tears and a sniffle, then grew serious and made a point to let us know that the NFL's leading rusher was indeed playing through a lot of pain.

"He really is injured," Zorn said.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 24, 2008; 1:30 PM ET
 
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CP still the man

Posted by: alex35332 | November 24, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

We run basic standings in the post, listing teams alphabetically. The NFL runs the standings based on conference record, hence the Skins are ahead.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | November 24, 2008 1:36 PM |

Not to make a big deal out of this but if this is true then why do you have Tampa Bay ahead of Carolina same record and last time I checked C comes before T in the alphabet.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 24, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Dont forget to vote Bubba Tyer for the Pro Bowl, if he can keep this team healthy that guy must be a vodoo witch doctor or something.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 24, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Get EJames and Rob Jackson ready to go.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

counting on help from the Seahawks = counting on help from the Niners

Boo on begging for help, just because we couldn't take care of business against the Cowboys last week.

Win, win, win, that's the only way...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 24, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Tired of everyone always thinking the Cowgirlz are Houdini and can pull gold from lead.
Hopefully all the guys that are dinged up can fuel themselves on heart.

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | November 24, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I love Sellers but is it me or has he dropped the ball everytime we run that play from yesterday on 3rd down. Over the past few years, it seems everytime we run that play for him and its not 3rd down, he's money but if it's crucial and we absolutely need it then he drops it. Again the guy's a beast and I love him but please Zorn if we are 3rd and inches call the QB sneak or give the ball to CP with Sellers leading.

Posted by: jayandcat | November 24, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

CP is the man.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 24, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

when anylizing wheither the offense or defense is to "blame" for the woes of a team, I always use the 21 point rule. If the d allows more than 21 points in a game then they are the problem, and if the offense scores less than 21 the same assumption is applied. 20-17, we won but the offense and in particularly the pass blocking is the reason for the sub par performance. On average a team gets 12-15 possesions during a NFL game, scoring 3 touchdowns is not too much to expect

Posted by: Brutus2 | November 24, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Just think of how many points we would have won by if we still had Leigh Torrence?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 24, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

If we wanted the media love for Dallas to stop we should've beat 'em last week at home.

It's our own fault, the media was READY to drop the Dallas love, they would've had to if we beat them on national television.

But we dropped the ball. No one to blame but ourselves, unfortunately.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

The way we lost the battle for "field Position" sunday what can we do to cover kick-offs better?? they killed us with a couple of returns, right up the middle????

Posted by: mdepo | November 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"Miami Dolphins wide receiver Greg Camarillo is out for the season with a knee injury"

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

No worries Greg. I expect this means promotion for Davone Whohe and Brandon Something... Or is it "Something Brandon"? Now I'm confused.

Maybe you could have Joey Porter to sub in for you against the Gints this week. He supposedly played in our game against the Pats but I never saw him anywhere so I guess he was "MIA in MIA" ....

Posted by: Redcoat | November 24, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

We make fun of Leigh Torrance...but the coverage units were pretty pathetic on Sunday. And, apparently, that and curing common maladies with nothing but the palm of his hand and some Vaseline were Leigh Torrance's strengths.

Posted by: PDiddy | November 24, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Like I said, 11 games. But you're right, he's a bust, there is no point of him being on the roster at this time. They should cut him......

moron.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Beantown you continually miss the point and prove who the moron is, Thomas was the 34th player taken overall, the second receiver, and our top draft pick, he is currently 5th on the depth chart behind a guy who is also a rookie and has had maybe a total of 10 practices since training camp and behind James Thrash....I'm not saying cut him, but right now, he is a bust of epic size and the only way that changes is if he turns it around down the road.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The way we lost the battle for "field Position" sunday what can we do to cover kick-offs better?? they killed us with a couple of returns, right up the middle????

Posted by: mdepo | November 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Hint: it ryhmes with Me Florence.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 24, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

rc, camarillo, has 'welker' written all over him. Where do you guys find those guys? Speaking of Welker, he got 'debacled' yesterday on one play. Wow, for a smaller guy, he bounced back pretty well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

flounder, but b comes before p. as in bucs, panthers. yes, i want a pr job in the obama administration.

nate, i really think the hawks will beat the girls. these aren't the same hawks from week 1 to 10.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

If we wanted the media love for Dallas to stop we should've beat 'em last week at home.

It's our own fault, the media was READY to drop the Dallas love, they would've had to if we beat them on national television.

But we dropped the ball. No one to blame but ourselves, unfortunately.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 24, 2008 1:56 PM


Couldn't agree more with this statement. Sort of like people b!tching about the Patriots and them waxing opponents by 25 points per last season--if you don't want it to happen to YOU, then do something about it.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

The way we lost the battle for "field Position" sunday what can we do to cover kick-offs better??

Posted by: mdepo | November 24, 2008 1:59 PM

You need to sign this guy as kicker.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dc/Torgo_knees.jpg

With legs like that he'll kick it out of the end zone every time!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 24, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

There are 5 games left. Portis and the defense have brought the team this far but both are injured and in need of some time to recover.

Either Zorn finds a way to coax Campbell and the receivers into a comfort zone where the opposition has to respect the pass and the Redskins can score more quickly than on a 12 play drive over 80 yards or the Redskins are not going to make the postseason.

I don't see this team winning either of the next two games doing what they did Sunday against Seattle.

Things have to change. The coaching staff on both sides of the ball has to realize that Washington can't simply line up against the Giants and beat them physically.

The Redskins need to pressure Manning with a strong blitz and force turnovers to even this game out.

On the other side of the ball, Zorn needs to take chances in the red zone to get the ball in the end zone instead of playing for field goals with conservative third down calls.

Posted by: leopard09 | November 24, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Get EJames and Rob Jackson ready to go.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 1:51 PM

Exactly. We have DEPTH on the line, even if Carter and Evans can't go......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

zj, you're right. I was agreeing with you, after 11 games, you can judge a draft pick. You are 100 percent correct. Throw out that the learning curve for QB/WR is the hardest, and that you normally give 2-3 years before judging a draft, we're skipping all that crap and we're going to use 11 games as the basis for his work.

Very smart. I commend you.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

man thanksgiving cant come soon enough

Posted by: alex35332 | November 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Cindy - are we to assume that Golston will be out then, or is he only doubtful?

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe you could have Joey Porter to sub in for you against the Gints this week. He supposedly played in our game against the Pats but I never saw him anywhere so I guess he was "MIA in MIA" ....

Posted by: Redcoat | November 24, 2008 2:00 PM"


He was Missing In Action but he was on the field. Just cause he's old and past his prime.

He's such a bitter loser, to Hail with him.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 24, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

is it just me or the violence as in violent hits on the field has increased this year? people are just getting laid out...love it!!!

btw...landry needs to somehow get some leverage on b jacobs and create his own poster/highlight reel hit cuz the run over landry in week 1 will live forever in the history of nfl...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

rc, camarillo, has 'welker' written all over him. Where do you guys find those guys? Speaking of Welker, he got 'debacled' yesterday on one play. Wow, for a smaller guy, he bounced back pretty well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 2:05 PM

We found him on the Chargers practice team. We just signed him to a huge :) contract extension of $6M for 3-years...

Posted by: Redcoat | November 24, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

That isn't the rule for every player, that is an excuse made when the guy isn't performing, sure some guys get it after a year or two, some guys get it right away, and some guys are Taylor Jacobs....right now Thomas is worse that Jacobs, and a guy drafted after him is playing over him despite being injured most of the year and getting little to no reps all season while Thomas was healthy and practicing. Where's your 2 to 3 year defense for that? How in the world is Kelly playing right now if it takes 2 or 3 years for somebody to contribute?

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

honestly our backups at D line can't do much worse in the pass rush than what our starters have been doing

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 24, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

the sack leader on the team leads in sacks truth. But his big game was against the pitt line.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 24, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

and at least Jacobs rookie year we had Coles, Gardner, and McCants. Thomas' rookie year we have........Moss.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cindy Boren | November 24, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I think other than Santana Moss, Cooley, and Thrash there will be lots of changes in the wide receiver corps next year. Lots of changes.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 1:04 PM

I recently heard that the Redskins are bringing in Priest Holmes for a workout at WR. Wonder if there is any truth in that.

Posted by: tafka | November 24, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

dealer, trust me, I'd LOVE to see the Seahawks upset the Cowboys on Thursday. I just don't expect it to happen, and I'm not counting on it... and on some level I want the Cowboys to keep winning because it will keep the pressure on our boys.

Regardless of the Cowboys-Hawks outcome, if the Skins win on Sunday that's a HUGE step for us. Absolutely huge. Let's do it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 24, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

lol @ 4th for using the word "depth" to describe rob jackson and e james.

4th, stop hogging all the cool-aid! we're not the giants of last year. even the giants of this year aren't the giants of last year. giants actually do and did have depth. and they have antonio pierce!!!! kidding about ap. though he does make that D go.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

That isn't the rule for every player, that is an excuse made when the guy isn't performing, sure some guys get it after a year or two, some guys get it right away, and some guys are Taylor Jacobs....right now Thomas is worse that Jacobs, and a guy drafted after him is playing over him despite being injured most of the year and getting little to no reps all season while Thomas was healthy and practicing. Where's your 2 to 3 year defense for that? How in the world is Kelly playing right now if it takes 2 or 3 years for somebody to contribute?

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 2:12 PM


There you are again Jack, seeing things out of your glass half empty view point.

I remember from the draft that Thomas was drafted because of his size and SPEED to eventually replace Moss. With only one year of Div I experience he was a project and in camp was learning the position that Moss plays.

Kelly was drafted for immediate help as the #2 WR. As many of the players and coaches have said, this guy is ready to play except that his knee did not let him go. He is the more polished of the two and the reason he is starting now over Thomas.

Does this make Thomas a bust? IMO, no! He is what he is, an inexperienced WR that has lots of potential but needs to mature into the pro WR he was drafted to be.

The problem with the Skins is that they do not meet with your expectations!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"..nothing but the palm of his hand and some Vaseline were Leigh Torrance's strengths."

Dude was blind? That explains a lot.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 24, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

in that picking app that cindy does every week i always pick the skins to win by more than 2 TD's. this week i'm picking them to lose by 2 TD's. just to see if that makes a difference.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

...and on some level I want the Cowboys to keep winning because it will keep the pressure on our boys.

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Can't believe that you would want this on any level Nate!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Wow, NFL.com is fighting back on Probowl balloting. One of their main headlines was "Should Matt Cassel, T.O., and Michael Turner be thinking Probowl after big games? Click here to vote!"

Seems a bit crappy that they would try and influence the vote like that.

Posted by: HenryHog | November 24, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

C'mon folks, get out the vote.

Posted by: HenryHog | November 24, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

lol @ this zjfr2 guy going on as if Devin THomas is a colossal bust or something.

Devin Thomas will be fine in the long run.

At worst Devin Thomas will be okay.

Some people act like the Skins didn't know this guy was a gamble. Duh, that's why we drafted another WR and a receiving TE, because Devin Thomas WAS a gamble with potentially a lot of upside.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Dealer,

All I'm saying is we have that chance to be the Giants of last year. We don't have to neccessarily have to take the same path, but alot is the same, but different.

Re: Depth. What's so funny? I believe in the youngsters we have on the line. Alot of them will pann out at the end of the day.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

nate, i really got a good feeling for thursday. can't really splain it!

speaking of Sitement...jc stopped saying "continute to keep..." in his post-game interviews...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

right now Thomas is worse that Jacobs

There you go...nothing more needs to be said. You're obviously at practice, and you're obviously at coach's meetings, so you have the edge on the rest of us.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Does this make Thomas a bust? IMO, no! He is what he is, an inexperienced WR that has lots of potential but needs to mature into the pro WR he was drafted to be.

The problem with the Skins is that they do not meet with your expectations!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 24, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Actually the Skins are on pace to exceed my expectations, I thought it was gonna be a 9-7 year and I don't see how we get less then 10 now and might get 11. Sorry for thinking the second drafted receiver and the 34th player overall should be able to help a team (at his position not special teams) year one. The description you just gave should be one for a 4th or 5th round pick (which we had plenty of) not of your top pick and not of the 34th overall pick in the draft. Ya'll can excuse it all you want but Thomas has been a major disappointment so far. Fortunately, it looks like Kelly could be the real deal, which if that's true, then 1 out of 2 aint to bad when it comes to receivers so I guess it won't matter much.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I agree. I think the plan all along with Thomas was to develop him as Moss's backup and eventual replacement. Moss's position is keyed to Thomas's strengths (speed, speed, speed) and as long as Moss is in there (hopefully a long time) Thomas will be playing out of position. He's not a versatile guy at this point.

Kelly, on the other hand, was in my opinion drafted to be the big possession No. 2 guy and allow ARE to move back to the slot. My hope is that is exactly what will happen over the next couple of weeks.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 24, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Just think of how many points we would have won by if we still had Leigh Torrence?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 24, 2008 1:55 PM |

It doesn't matter anyway. Now that Leigh Torrence is with New Orleans, The Saints are the favorites to win the Super Bowl this year.

Posted by: tafka | November 24, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

so why did vinny not do his show today? To busy giving the danny his birthday gift?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 24, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

4th, they are scrap heap. i'm tired of scrap heap on the D line (minus AC and griff and they're both hurt and needing some help for the past 5 years). but if they can give us some good "minutes" and save our secondary from getting beat up by linemen and full backs then that would be lucky for us.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Some people act like the Skins didn't know this guy was a gamble. Duh, that's why we drafted another WR and a receiving TE, because Devin Thomas WAS a gamble with potentially a lot of upside.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that the #1 WR on most everybody's projections is a "duh" project but if that is so true than we're even dumber than I thought wasting that high a pick on a gamble when we needed so much at other places like our lines and I don't know linebacker where we might be starting Alfred Fincher this week.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"Actually the Skins are on pace to exceed my expectations, I thought it was gonna be a 9-7 year and I don't see how we get less then 10 now and might get 11. Sorry for thinking the second drafted receiver and the 34th player overall should be able to help a team (at his position not special teams) year one. The description you just gave should be one for a 4th or 5th round pick (which we had plenty of) not of your top pick and not of the 34th overall pick in the draft. Ya'll can excuse it all you want but Thomas has been a major disappointment so far. Fortunately, it looks like Kelly could be the real deal, which if that's true, then 1 out of 2 aint to bad when it comes to receivers so I guess it won't matter much.

Posted by: zjfr2 "

If you go cutting WR's after 11 games, you'd have cut some damn good players, including our very own Santana Moss.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 24, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I like having this centerfielf type FS position that we empoly Landry to, he does a good job at it howeva did any one else notice the one and only play they sent him up to the line on he was in on a tackle for loss of yards.
We created that postion for ST and had Landry step in to fill it after the happenings. He does a great job in that role but everyone knows it is not his stong suit.
I would like to see Springs back there in that role when healthy and get landry back up to the line to do some damage. This would be a perfect week for it. the giants have one of the best rush attackls in the league and with all out Lbs hurt we need as many solid tacklers and physical players close to the line as we can get.
Once again practically every play we have sent Landry to the line good things have happened. Put him back up there this week, he dosent have any preseason rust and will be more then happy to reaquaint himself with Jacobs.
Not saying this move needs to be made out of a lack of production on his behalf it neds to be made because it is obviously his game to be closer to the line making contact on as many plays as possible.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 24, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

has anyone even heard anything on Erasmus James...? has he played?

Posted by: DCXNTX | November 24, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. Just when we really really need linebackers.

I say we play nickel with 3 safeties and send Horton to attack the line of scrimmage w/ Springs and LL playing in coverage.

Bottom line is we need to get it done UP FRONT with our D-line. If we don't let them get holes to run through...

Posted by: p1funk | November 24, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

If you go cutting WR's after 11 games, you'd have cut some damn good players, including our very own Santana Moss.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 24, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Why do people keep thinking I'm saying cut him? I never said cut him, I'm not saying cut him, and I don't think they should cut him, but I am saying he has disappointed and it isn't a good sign that another rookie with nowhere near the same amount of reps as he's had just waved at him as he flew past him on the depth chart.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

btw...landry needs to somehow get some leverage on b jacobs and create his own poster/highlight reel hit cuz the run over landry in week 1 will live forever in the history of nfl...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I think you're right, but what shouldn't go unnoticed is that Jacobs did go down because of Landry's hit, so although he got steamrolled, he did make the tackle.

Posted by: rbpalmer | November 24, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

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