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Zorn: 'I've Got to Look at Myself'

Jim Zorn was more contrite and somber than we have ever seen him at his press conference, taking full responsibility for the problems with his football team even though much of this goes beyond him.

Zorn said he is taking time this week to be exceedingly self-critical, and is evaluating his staff in terms of everything from schemes to practice tactics and the ability to communicate and disseminate information to players. He seemed pained at times by the turn this season has taken (but at least no one threw a shoe at him). Zorn spoke repeatedly about how proud he was of the players, how they were giving all they can. Rarely, if ever, did he mention "execution," saying he felt like the worst coach in America after the loss to the lowly Bengals.

"I'm not sure I can ask any more out of the players," Zorn said. He again took the high road when asked about personnel procurement and talent evaluation, praising the work done there. Privately, though, the coaching staff realizes the limitations placed upon itm according to numerous sources. Instead, the rookie coach took the hit himself, sounding an awful like his predecessor, Joe Gibbs.

"I've got to look ay myself," Zorn said. "To me it's all about me, and I need to change my plan of attack and all of our staff."

Owner Daniel Snyder and executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato have made no public statements of support for Zorn, or said anything about the course of the season the past few weeks. They know that rumors of Zorn's job security are becoming increasingly commonplace, but the coach said he was not bothered by the lack of public remarks and said he and his staff feel they are getting solid backing.

"It's not like I'm getting the silent treatment," Zorn said at one point. Snyder and Cerrato speak with him regularly, he said, including after Sunday's defeat. "I feel we are getting tremendous support from both of those guys ... I can tell you that honestly," Zorn said.

Zorn said he plans to "be very honest" and "self-critical" this week and wants to be sure to set the right tone with the players when the team reconvenes Wednesday for meetings and practice. He gave the players Monday off as well as Tuesday, should they opt to stay away from the facility.

The offense has been starting slowly and the Redskins have been falling behind quickly, so Zorn said he will focus more on the 15-play script he takes into each game, and will try to make that more effective.

"We need to notch our game up as coaches," Zorn said. "They're giving us all they can give."

Many around the NFL believed the composition of the staff was flawed, with a rookie head coach with no prior coordinating experience being asked to serve as, in essence, head coach, play-caller, chief game-plan engineer and quarterback coach, all without anyone else on the staff with deep experience in the passing side of the game. (Other rookie head coaches, like Mike Smith, Tony Sparano and John Harbaugh, have more experienced coordinators helping them out.)

When asked about perhaps wearing too many hats, Zorn said, "I haven't felt overwhelmed," and did not seem to think that was too much a part of the slide.

Zorn does not seem inclined to go all out to play more rookies to assess talent for next season, saying he will play these final two games to win and will use the best personnel available.

Zorn said he is open to reevaluating communication issues as well, with corner Carlos Rogers saying Sunday that he did not know he was no longer starting until the lineups were announced.

"I haven't felt that we're keeping players in the dark," Zorn said.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 15, 2008; 1:22 PM ET
 
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Comments

We could have picked up Kris Jenkins (def tackle) who's having a banner year with the jets! Guess Vinnie missed that one?

We need a real GM who can evaluate talent and not someone who kisses Synder's a**!!

Posted by: skinsfan7 | December 15, 2008 1:31 PM

Jets run a 3-4 defense.....

Argument is null and void.......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 15, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Vinny and Dan got to him the talent is here to win some games but the talent is not here to be a consistnet playoff team.

I was in the Zorn stays mode but if he is just going to bow down to Vinny and Dan, and just be a figurehead coach then he should go.

The players can do alot more to help this team, Zorn is not the entire problem.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

So then the 7-2 record was just.. what?... luck, right?

When were they ever 7-2? They were 6-2 then they lost to Pittsburgh before the bye, making them 6-3. But thats just splitting hairs.

As much as the first half of the season has been great, the second half has been abysmal. That reflects on Zorn just as much if not more.

Teams starting getting the "book" on Zorn after the bye. But he hasn't made any adjustments, or added any new wrinkles, or made position changes when the talent there was clearly tailing off.

Maybe next year, he'll learn from this, and be able to handle not only the game calling, but also the nuances of managing a game and managing the players and their emotions.

Thats the real part of head coaching. Remember that was the part that Norv couldn't(or still can't) pickup.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 15, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Argument is null and void.......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 15, 2008 1:38 PM |

Jenkins played in a 4-3 with Carolina.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 15, 2008 1:39 PM

But my point is he is excelling in a 3-4 defense. He was failing in a 4-3 defense because he had weight issues for his position in the 4-3. That's why he was on the trade block.

So, wouldn't know if he would be a good fit.........

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 15, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Jenkins played well in a 4-3 with Carolina. Argument is back with a vengeance.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 15, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Well JZ wont say it but I will, personel is a huge problem(Vinny) get some guys around JC mainly an o-line and lets give this 3 years with JZ and JC, as for the defense a pass rusher is in really high demand if we want to be a championship defense

Posted by: skin4lfe22 | December 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

t_e, just because Brooks was signed to the Packers practice squad doesn't mean he'll stay there. Ya never know.

Also, if the guy was such a "TERRIBLE" draft pick, why would another club, one who seems to draft fairly well, sign him at all? According to JLC, doesn't he just suck?

Posted by: craig2 | December 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said he is open to reevaluating communication issues as well, with corner Carlos Rogers saying Sunday that he did not know he was no longer starting until the lineups were announced.

"I haven't felt that we're keeping players in the dark," Zorn said

By Jason La Canfora | December 15, 2008; 1:22 PM ET |

I could recall at leasst three situations in which the communication between the staff and players have fallen short. It happens even with the most experienced of coaches but the first step to recovery is realizing there is a problem.

Posted by: TWISI | December 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Jenkins was an all pro in 02 and 03 and a pro bowler in 02, 03 and 06. All in a 4-3. Not saying we should have signed him but he has excelled in the 4-3 before.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 15, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

He's going to evaluate himself?

This is the guy who said this after the game:

"To summarize it, there were several plays there that we saw were very difficult and they....they actually uhhh, stopped us on the goal line. I mean, that was really the key.. one of the keys.. and that was the um, in my mind that play right there where we had to go in with inches, and uh, you know I called for Sellers early. And they stopped us a little bit. And we said, 'Let's do this again,' and just ram it.. right down there. I thought that was a great call. I thought we were going to surge into the endzone... and uh, we ended up, not getting it,. They played very tough on the goal line."

Key phrase: "I thought that was a great call."

Ha

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

JLC taking it easy on the coach that talks to the schlubs. Gibbs was able to get this talent to play, show some emotion, Zorn not so much. Very predictable game plans and no adjustments. Plenty of blame to go around, but give Zorn his share.

Even Zorn accepted some today...

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"I still don't get why they don't run Thomas deep a bunch it would create some room and a defense still has to cover it, if they hit it just once a game it helps"

Dude, throw the DANG BALL to Thomas, Kelly, and Davis MORE THAN ONCE A GAME. PERIOD. I don't care what routes they run, just GET THEM INVOLVED.

Desean Jackson is successful as a rookie because PHILLY THROWS HIM THE BALL. Eddie Royal is successful because DENVER THROWS HIM THE BALL.

Its not like if we throw them the ball, it could hurt, I mean, for F***'s sake, I'd hate to score more than 10 F-ING POINTS!!!!!!!!


Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Just read this post.

It looks like the sourcerer is back in saction. I suspect he took some time off since his message wasn't getting across efficiently when we were 6-2, and such as.........

Seriously, what limitations does he have? If he can't give examples, he needs to come down the sourcerer stuff.......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 15, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Predator48 -- my bad. And you get my point exactly, we don't know if Zorn is gonna be the next Norv or not, ONE season is not enough for that evaluation. And I don't think it's enough to properly evaluate Cerrato either.

I'll be more disgusted with Snyder if he fires Zorn than if he just lets Zorn and Cerrato(and all the new scouts and staff he hired) work through it.

Posted by: craig2 | December 15, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Here is my thinking all
If we want to do the WAPO add we need to do it right.

1. Start a website for firing vinny.
2. Sell merch that says fire vinny.
3. Advertise in the paper.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 15, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I kind of feel bad for Zorn, but I'm glad he stepped up and finally took some of the blame. I think if we all take an objective look at the Skins and take emotion out of it, we can honestly say that we just don't have the personnel to be a good team over the course of a long 16-week season, especially in the tough division we play in.

We were good for the first half of the season because no one had any film on Zorn and his playcalling style, and we were healthy, but we got exposed after Portis got hurt and teams figured out to attack our O-Line. Remember, these players were picked by Vinny and Gibbs -- not Zorn. People like to point to the fact that Zorn didn't adjust his playcalling much, but honestly what could he have done? Our O-Line wilted anytime they were blitzed, and we couldn't run the ball anymore. It limits what you can do.

We need to be patient with Zorn and see if he can build a good foundation here, instead of blowing things up again. A coach is only as good as the players around him.

Posted by: mrizzle | December 15, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

What about the year Vinny wasn't here?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 15, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Right now JZ and Vinny are tied to the hip more than Vinny and Snyder...

So, vinny gave JZ a pep talk on what to say in today's presser to keep both of them around for atleast another year.....

You can't fire Vinny w/o getting rid of Zorn and NO WAY you can keep Vinny and fire Zorn at this point in time....

But the blame needs to be spread evenly. JZ, Vinny, and the players acting unprofessional in too many instances....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 15, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Looks like I spoke too soon. This is exactly what I have been waiting to hear from Zorn for the last 3 or so weeks. First step in the right direction for JZ.


Repost on me speaking too soon:

"Your absolutely right, and so your saying that since the rookie coach couldn't figure it out in half a season that he NEVER will?

Posted by: craig2

Admitting that he needs to make adjustments is different than actually making adjustments that work. You have to do the first before you can even try the second.

This isn't something that is "learned" overnight, or even in a season or three. Jim Zorn has been a part of professional football for over 30 years. It is his FUNDAMENTAL belief that this system is designed to be perfect -- that if it's performed to perfection, no defense, no blitz, no coverage should be able to stop it. After 30 years of believing this and having it drilled as a part of his ideology, I don't think that's going to change. That's my opinion. He will live and die by this system.

Now, do I know that for a fact? No. But that's the feeling I get.

Now, as far as looking towards the future, that's exactly what needs to be done. That does NOT mean they have to stick with one particular guy simply because "he needs time" to prove himself. He has to earn that privilege. He does not get the benefit of the doubt. Guys like Joe Gibbs, Mike Holmgren, Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, those guys get the benefit of the doubt because they're proven winners. First year head coaches need to earn the right to continue running a franchise. I don't hear any apologies coming from Miami for firing Cam Cameron. Meanwhile, I bet there are a lot of guys that wish Cleveland or Detroit hadn't spent so much time letting their coaches "prove" themselves.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | December 15, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

t_e, just because Brooks was signed to the Packers practice squad doesn't mean he'll stay there. Ya never know.

Also, if the guy was such a "TERRIBLE" draft pick, why would another club, one who seems to draft fairly well, sign him at all? According to JLC, doesn't he just suck?

Posted by: craig2 | December 15, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Craig, what draft pick did the Pack give up to get Brooks on their practice squad?

Posted by: mack1 | December 15, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

What Zorn could have done - and did - was bring in Shaun Alexander and Mike Green, two castoffs from the Seahags.

That's as good an indication as any of his personnel decisions thus far.

This "poor Zorn, he has such inferior talent to work with" crap is funny.

He was winning games by using Joe Gibbs' running game. Once opposing defense decided to put the kibosh on THAT, Zorn had no answer re an air attack.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 15, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Seriously if anyone is interested in starting something on firing vinny, please email me at azeese at gmail dot com.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 15, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm done going to games at FedEx. Going to start attending one or two ROAD games per year. I'm not lining Danny's pockets any more until the culture changes. It never will.

Posted by: LiberalMike | December 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Good stuff from the coach, about 4 weeks too late, but glad to hear that he's accepting blame......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

This April will be enough to evaluate Ceratto if he does not draft any lineman or LB's. If he even contemplates drafting a WR, RB or DB with that first pick he should be fired on the spot.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | December 15, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

jltemp, agreed, OL/DL, and only after trading back to get more picks.

For the draft guys, Ciron Black from LSU...any thoughts on this guy??

also, walterfootball.com is a pretty good draft site for those interested..that and nfldraftcountdown.com....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 15, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

First of all, lets not go with the "we coulda had this guy" stuff. Its so much easier to do ... in hindsight (unlike me who spoke about Boldin before the draft).

The real issue is the lack of a coherent plan for this team. Said it before, I'll say it now and no doubt again. This team did not know if it was rebuilding or making a run.

The Jason Taylor signing was a "win now" signing, especially considering the draft picks given up.

Having 10 draft picks and keeping all of them was a "rebuild" move.

Bring in a rookie coach with a new offense was a "rebuild" move

Keep all the starters from last years playoff team was a "win now" move.

Choosing not to go after free agents and keeping spending in check was a "rebuild" move.

The front office did not know what it was trying to accomplish.

Personally, I would have preferred a "win now" approach to 2008 (and said so before the season started).

But what we got was the worst of both worlds, coupled with a weird draft that failed to address the obvious needs (OL, LB, DL).

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

This "poor Zorn, he has such inferior talent to work with" crap is funny.

***********************************

MrRedskins --

This is what I am talking about. You think we're a good team with good players, and all we need is the right coach and we'll be in the Super Bowl, right?

With these core players, we have gone 5-11, 9-7, and 7-7 (so far) over the last 3 years. We aren't that good, so quit giving Zorn all the blame (though he deserves some) and realize maybe our players aren't that great.

Posted by: mrizzle | December 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Good stuff from the coach, about 4 weeks too late, but glad to hear that he's accepting blame......

Posted by: BeantownGreg


I was thinking the same thing.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn was more contrite and somber than we have ever seen him at his press conference, taking full responsibility for the problems with his football team even though much of this goes beyond him.

This is exactly what I was alluding to. How is it NOT his fault? I love how it's always the front offices fault. So if Zorn was given the Giants or Eagles or whoevers roster he'd be in better shape? Here's a thought. How about DEVELOP the draft picks like other teams do! How about adapt your style to get your playmakers the ball. How about becoming less predictable.

Posted by: Lacantwrite | December 15, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Zorn--and the rest of the organization-- needs to re-assess the front office/coaching structure.

1st change
Zorn- head coach only (he nneds to be able to see the whole team and not just Jason Campbell and the offense.

Sherman Smith-- Offensive Coordinator
Make Betts earn his money.
If Portis can't practice, he can't play (what an idea)
Put Fred Davis in-- he looks like the real deal
Moss is the new punt returner

2nd change
Blatche-- the defensive scheme you inherited isn't working-- admit it.
Put tackles in gaps.
Widen the ends.
Blitz Landry more

3rd change
Vinny- give him a promotion: director of professional over aged player acquisition.
Morocco Brown (or some other young, sharp guy)-- general manager


Turn the roster over
Let the sal cap hits hit
Plan for a turn around in 2010/11
face facts: this team has more problems than a math book and move on....

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 15, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Good stuff from the coach, about 4 weeks too late, but glad to hear that he's accepting blame......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

It's good to hear he's taking the blame because that is what leaders do, but any close observer should know that very little of this is his fault. If the team winds up 8-8 that is about what I expected at the beginning of the season. 9-7 is icing. He needs personnel. He won't get it.

Posted by: LiberalMike | December 15, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

F vinny!

F vinny!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 15, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Never mind Craig. I did some research. The Skins gave up the draft pick. The Pack are taking a zero risk opportunity to profit from our mistake.

And Lisa_R take a deep breath. JLC isn't wishing this on our team. He's a reporter. If anything he'd probably prefer the skins do well. Reporters are always looking for an interesting storyline. And frankly, the whole Skins Fall Flat On Face storyline has been written over and over.

Posted by: mack1 | December 15, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

This "poor Zorn, he has such inferior talent to work with" crap is funny.

He was winning games by using Joe Gibbs' running game. Once opposing defense decided to put the kibosh on THAT, Zorn had no answer re an air attack.


Posted by: MrRedskin21

Gibbs didn't do squat either until last year, when JC was INJURED. TC came in and led them to the playoffs.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 15, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Make Betts earn his money.

moe, are you serious? How about if they gave Betts the chance to earn his money??? Same with Sellers, ARE, Thomas, Davis, Kelly. No one expected the team to win the Super Bowl this year, how could it have hurt getting these guys MORE involved.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 15, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The coaches should shoulder some of the blame for the scoring deficiencies.

The play calling is unimpressive -- on most of the three and outs -- even I knew the Skins were going to run, run, pass. It was almost as sickening to watch as Campbell repeatedly not following progressions and hitting the open man on pass plays...

Poor player execution is partially the result of coaches neither benching injured players nor effectively preparing rookies and backups to start.

The coaches should instill a killer attitude. This keep it medium plan is draining intensity from the players.

Are the strength coaches effective? There were way too many muscle injuries last year.

Special teams blocking (except for kick offs), kicks, and punts have been terrible. Was this due to poor coaching or lack of attention by the front office in not hiring more specialists?

I hope Zorn gets another year or two to prove himself. The injuries and lack of quality backups were a critical reason why the season was lost. The team played well when healthy...

Posted by: siris | December 15, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I forgot to add: go to a three headed running back attack if you're committed to running so much. Cartwright's 80 yard run back came because he has fresh legs as he never carries the ball on offensive. That should change. If Portis is hurt, sit him down in the same way, Brandon Jacobs sat, Marion Barber sat and Larry Johnson sat. Nobody is effective if they're hurt and not fresh by the end of the year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 15, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

the guys on the radio yesterday, Sonny/Sam pointed out that when its third and long, the teams runs a TE screen a lot of the time. if the radio guys are noticing this, thats not good...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 15, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

It's good to hear he's taking the blame because that is what leaders do, but any close observer should know that very little of this is his fault. If the team winds up 8-8 that is about what I expected at the beginning of the season. 9-7 is icing. He needs personnel. He won't get it.

Posted by: LiberalMike

Any broad observer would look at the overall record and say "that's not bad for a rookie head coach". In fact, go to espn message boards, and this is what you'll get from non-Redskins-hating fans of other teams.

Any close observer will realize that this team and this coaching staff has slowly regressed from being a borderline-elite team in the first 6 weeks to being a borderline bottom-6 or 7 team since then. It was not coincidence that the Redskins beat 4 playoff contenders in a row, and 2 on the road, to start the season. The Redskins were a very, very good team at that point. Since then they've regressed significantly.

That's why it's so good to hear Zorn say this. Had he continued with the same pace, this team was heading for a Cincinnati type season next year. Now that he realizes there are fundamental flaws starting at the very top (and not just personnel) he has the chance to make strides going into next season.

Posted by: psps23 | December 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

This is what I am talking about. You think we're a good team with good players, and all we need is the right coach and we'll be in the Super Bowl, right?

With these core players, we have gone 5-11, 9-7, and 7-7 (so far) over the last 3 years. We aren't that good, so quit giving Zorn all the blame (though he deserves some) and realize maybe our players aren't that great.

Posted by: mrizzle | December 15, 2008 2:09 PM |
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Give me a break. These same players were putting up more points under Gibbs 2.0 than they are under Zorn. Last season, the team put up 334 points through 16 games. This season, the team has put up 231 points through 14 games. The 2008 squad would need to put up 51.5 point per game in the next two games just to match Gibbs 2.0's final season offensive production.

And that's pathetic, because Gibbs 2.0 wasn't exactly an offensive juggernaut.

Gibbs 2.0 makes Zorn's offensive production look abysmal.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

mack, no, they didn't "give up" any draft picks, but my point is simple, if the guy just plain sucks, he wouldn't be on ANYBODY'S practice squad.

Drafted players often don't live up to their draft "rating" for years after their rookie season(not saying Brooks will be one of those guys mind you), and you never know, Brooks could end up a 10 time pro-bowl punter, and then people around here will be saying "man, we should have been more patient with that guy", that's all I'm saying.

Criticism is warranted by the team's current record and horrid play, but that doesn't mean that this won't turn out good over time.

And psps, just because Miami fired Cameron and things got better over night, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do. Zorn didn't take this team to a 1-15 record. I do think that what was accomplished early, earned him NO LESS THAN ONE MORE year. Just my opinion.

Posted by: craig2 | December 15, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Looking back on it, this team was 6-2 for one reason, I think: they didn't turn the ball over for 8 games. That is freakish. If you do that, and can play good D, you win 3 of 4. You control the clock, the opposing D gets tired, everyone goes home happy. Statistically, it was impossible they would keep it up. Throw in a normal amount of TO's, and they are pretty average.

Anyone disagree? Agree?

I think Zorn can prove to be an inspired choice and hope he gets another year. I don't see how Vinny is up to the task of rebuilding this team, though. Nothing in the past indicates he can. They need to use every pick on O and D linemen and hope that one of that Kelly or Thomas pans out.

Posted by: darrellgreenscousin | December 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I KNEW that one day, the Skins OL would get old.

How could I have been so smart? Well, the youngest guy on the OL was 31 at the start of the year and it seems like we're IR'ing aq couple guys each year.

Of course the Skins OL was going to get old quickly (turns out it was game 9 of 2008). It was obvious!!!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 15, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs didn't do squat either until last year, when JC was INJURED. TC came in and led them to the playoffs.

Posted by: lsskinsfan

Yes, because Todd Collins was the guy that held Adrian Peterson to 28 yards rushing and Marion Barber to negative 6 yards rushing. He also intercepted Tony Romo, Eli Manning, and Travaris Jackson down the stretch. He was also the guy that healed Santana Moss' hamstring so that he could start again.

In short, Todd Collins cures all.

Posted by: psps23 | December 15, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"I haven't felt that we're keeping players in the dark," Zorn said.

I believe, we should keep Zorn for another
year to put "Players" that want to play
on his team. CB Rogers, has a confidence
issue, if you can cover, put him a nickel
back. but hey he has been here 4 years.
To me, he is above avg at best.

Posted by: madalao | December 15, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

It was not coincidence that the Redskins beat 4 playoff contenders in a row, and 2 on the road, to start the season. The Redskins were a very, very good team at that point. Since then they've regressed significantly.

Posted by: psps23 | December 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Zorn certainly has had to (and will have to) learn some lessons, but I attribute MOST of the decline to personnel and an utter lack of depth. Our starters (escluding maybe the D-line) are very good. But they are old and there is basically nothing behind them, so when they get injured or even knicked up, the drop off is smothering. For example, Samuels was not Samuels after he hurt his knee, but the team had no option but to throw him out there.

Zorn does not get a pass, but even if he were a perfect coach, this personnel cannot win this division. Other than in the secondary, there is just not enough depth.

Posted by: LiberalMike | December 15, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Here's an article written by a writer from San Francisco that was published in Pro Football Weekly on December 26, 2000. Can anyone tell me if anything has really changed around here? It's sad when 8 years later, your organization still has the same problems:

http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives/features_2000/dickey_122600.asp

Posted by: JMSinCHeights | December 15, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

All 8-8 seasons are created equal....this 8-8 will be a bad 8-8....thats if we get to 8-8...

Morocco Brown Era needs to begin....Vinny must go....its as obvious as needing oxygen to breathe.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 15, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

jms if you could post the body of that article, I'd appreciate it. Also, if it was written by Eric Edholm, he had a friend that was fired by Snyder when Dan bought the team, so take it with a grain of salt.....

From the zorn presser....

“That’s one of the reasons why I gave the players an opportunity to stay away [today]. To me it’s all about me, and I need to check my plan of attack and all of our staff, we need to reevaluate what we’re doing to see if we’re going in the right direction

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Right now JZ and Vinny are tied to the hip more than Vinny and Snyder"

No, NO, NO. So very wrong.

Zorn is expendable. He is just one piece in the puzzle that Cerrato crafted this spring. He was after all, one of the last hires of the organization. If it ever becomes a situation where Vinnie feels that showing loyalty to Zorn will cost him his own position Zorn is out with the day's trash. Don't you know by now that coaches come and go, Vinnie remains?

Posted by: driley | December 15, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

deep deep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 15, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes, because Todd Collins was the guy that held Adrian Peterson to 28 yards rushing and Marion Barber to negative 6 yards rushing. He also intercepted Tony Romo, Eli Manning, and Travaris Jackson down the stretch. He was also the guy that healed Santana Moss' hamstring so that he could start again.

In short, Todd Collins cures all.

Posted by: psps23


put down the syringe dope boy!

I didn't say or imply any of your drivel. TC definitely created an Offensive spark, that JC didn't. Gibbs2 heroics of last season don't occur unless TC gets in the game.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 15, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Time for Gibbs 3.0
Maybe get Bud Grant and Lindy Infante as coordinators.

Posted by: eleysium | December 15, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

There can certainly be some blame put on the play calling. But the truth is, we don't have a good QB.
Campbell has regressed back to who he has always been. He continually throws underneath and doesn't stretch the defense. Opposing Ds have noticed this and stack the line. No RB is going to break through 8-9 on the line.
Campbell cannot read defenses, has little pocket presence, winds up on every throw, double clutches, dances in the pocket, and is very inaccurate. He is the biggest problem period.
For Zorn to not play Colt to see what he can do these last two meaningless games, shows Zorn is not thinking clearly and it will be his demise to stick with a QB who is as good as he'll ever get. Campbell has had FOUR years and he hasn't improved. This is Gibbs/Brunell part II.

Posted by: mpm87 | December 15, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Zorn: 'I've Got to Look at Myself'

Jim Zorn was more contrite and somber than we have ever seen him at his press conference, taking full responsibility for the problems with his football team even though much of this goes beyond him.
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Aww (wiping brow), was he gushing?

Posted by: Xlnt | December 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

NO WAY WE WOULD HAVE SIGNED KRIS JENKINS.
Dude openly hates the Redskins. I can recall several interviews where he references his hate for the team. Goes back to his college roommate who was a big Skins fan. He would never have signed with the Redskins.

Argument closed.

Posted by: TossedSalad | December 15, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

D. Thomas 14 catches... 14 games
we need help.

Brennan needs some playing time JC had his time he has proven that he cant win when it counts at QB we need a playmaker.
I'd rather lose with guns blazing and emotion and passion for winning than complacent competitivness.

Posted by: RedskinMan531 | December 15, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather lose with guns blazing and emotion and passion for winning than complacent competitivness.

Posted by: RedskinMan531
***********RedskinMan couldn't have said
it better.

Posted by: madalao | December 15, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Well JZ wont say it but I will, personel is a huge problem(Vinny) get some guys around JC mainly an o-line and lets give this 3 years with JZ and JC, as for the defense a pass rusher is in really high demand if we want to be a championship defense
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Agreed 100%.

Do I think the Danny will have a common sense approach to this? No way.

What we have in Campbell is a reliable presence who doesn't cough up too many turnovers. Zorn should be able to learn the ropes. Continuity is not just a convenient slogan -- how many people wanted to can Coughlin just last year?

The cancer that is in this organization is at the very top. The one constant has been a combination of poor personnel decisions and crappy management -- all apparently hallmarks of the Snyder regime. Snyder needs to shut up and pay the bills, and Vinny just needs to be shown the door.

Posted by: live1 | December 15, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

If one person needs to be fired to begin the rebuilding process then I vote for Cerrato who hasn't done much to position this team for long-term success!

Fire Cerrato and hire a real GM!!!

Posted by: skinsfan7 | December 15, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

its simple why the skins failed down the stretch. Lack of depth on the offensiv line and the current starters wearing down all over the long season have contributed to the offense hitting a wall. Most of our linemen are old and nursing previous significant injuries. As the season wears on so does the toll to their bodies. Cerrato/Snyder have ignored both sides of the line in the draft, and its finally caught up to them. I don't expect the Skins to be able to turn that around in one year. May take another 4 or 5 yrs IF they start drafting smartly.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 15, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

F Snyder and F Cerrato, I wish they were both dead. Seriously. That is the only way we are ever going to be a good team again..without those two idiots. I know I'm going to hell, and I'm okay with that!

Posted by: truthteller69 | December 15, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

He hasn't felt overwhelmed? Geesh! Look at the guy. I see that deer in the headlights look on the sideline a lot. Everytime I see him he looks like he has developed another wrinkle (and I don't mean in the innovation-less passing game). The best thing the Dan can do for him is make him hire a decent offensive coordinator. Why not bring back Norv Turner as an offensive coordinator because Norv will sure as heck be looking for employment after this season - and Norv is a good offensive coordinator. I think he could help Zorn with the passing game. Zorn also needs a new receivers coach. Meidt cannot deliver. Zorn is too nice a guy to tell his friend he made a mistake bringing him to Washington so the Dan should just make it easy for him by doing the wet work himself. He needs an experienced ball player to coach receivers. James Lofton would be an excellent choice and he would gel with this coaching staff. If Blache should retire, Jerry Gray needs to fill his shoes. Gray has d-coordinator experience and could keep the same d intact. Last, but not least, if Dan Snyder could find a great GM somewhere it would be the best thing he has ever done for his franchise.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 15, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Repeat after me Vinny must go! Vinny must go! Vinny must go! Problem is not the head coach its the talent. Who is responsible to bringing in players and evaluating talent? You got it Vinny! I have said this over and over again until our know it all owner hires a general manager this team will continue to fail. As the old saying goes $h!t rolls down hill and the buck stops here. Well Vinny you are a failure time to pack your $h!t and get the hell out.

Posted by: bigjofc | December 15, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

bottom line you are what you are and the redskins suck, the skins have a circus for a front office who cant draft or make good trades,but skins should loose they did their best to keep a team out of bmore so good for them,

Posted by: baltraven52 | December 15, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

You mean Zorn stops placing the blame elsewhere and FINALLY decides to look at himself? IT'S A MIRACLE! I won't buy the talent crap either. This was a playoff team a year ago. The draft was terrible but don't try to imply that this team doesn't have talent.

Posted by: dcwun | December 15, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

What the Skins need is to draft another WR. Another WR, or maybe trade London Fletcher and a 2nd rd (2012 i presume 'cos 09, 10, & 11 are prolly all traded away by now) to the Bengals for Ocho Cinco so he can play with Portis all he wants to.

Then, go out and find yourself a pass rusher, hopefully an expensive and old one, who has been cut, and sign him long term, maybe Seau would want to come here for 10mill a year.

Then, fire Zorn, and get Marinelli, he was given a raw deal in Detroit, the guy is top notch head coach quality.

Posted by: vmrg1974 | December 15, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Has Danny made any public statements of support of Vinny?

Posted by: The_Spear | December 15, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Has Danny made any public statements of support of Vinny?

Posted by: The_Spear | December 15, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse
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by "public" do you mean as in "outside thier bedroom?"

Posted by: vmrg1974 | December 15, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Man Snyder and Cerrato have turned this team into a disaster...They need to get rid of Zorn now because your supposed to get experience at the coordiantor position before you become a coach,but our genious owner and his butt buddy think it's all good...Go get Bill Cowher Snyder and if you can bring him in,sit back and keep your Fing mouth shut and let him do his thing you Fing moron.

Posted by: HailSkins14 | December 15, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

We did not address our real problems during the off season and we have not addressed them for several seasons. We did try to beef up our O line a few years back but failed to keep building on it over the past three seasons. Our D line i dont just fault the Front office for, I fault Greg Williams for allowing his ego to get involved regarding obtaining star quality players instead of journeymen linemen that fit into his scheme. I would rather have star players with a good scheme over journeymen in a good scheme any day of the week. We never addressed our D line because of it and thats why we cant hold a team when it counts. Our O line is old and needs rebuilding but they did have some productive years but our D line was never any good.

Posted by: ged0386 | December 15, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Zorn I like you but you never made an adjustment! Should have yanked out JC a long time ago. The dude can't make a play unless all his ducks are lined up perfect. I'm sorry when it come to offense you need to score score score. Your offense died. The only question I have is ...was that your offense or Gibbs?

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | December 15, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs used his grandsons illness as an excuse to bail out on Dan and Vinny. I believe he knew he couldn't take the team any further with those two involved and looking over his shoulder.
Jim Zorn is a nice guy, but the way this organization chose him indicated how completely disfunctional it is. It should be no suprise that someone who has only been a QB coach is having this happen. Vinny further proved (something Marty knew) how inept he was during the draft. Vinny built a house of cards that is tumbling down on Zorn. This team is doomed unless Dan sells it, or he gets the guts to fire Vinny and get completely out of the way. The only difference between the Raiders and Redskins is that DANNY MAY BE HEAR ANOTHER 40 YEARS, AL WON'T.

Posted by: chargersix | December 15, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Message to Jim Zorn. THERE IS NO CRYING IN FOOTBALL.

Posted by: chargersix | December 15, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Please,accepting resposibility? Should have done that last week when benching your best player. Give Mike Martz the job at least he will figure how to get the ball in the end zone.

Posted by: dmayfiel | December 15, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

to the commentator above that said MIKE HOLMGREN is a winning coach and gets his due respect. that is b.s.. any true Seawhawks fan that has had to endure the Holmgren/Zorn coaching style over the past decade will tell you that. They HAVE NO CLUE when it comes to managing a game plan, calling offensive plays, making adjustments. Yes, Zorn is a likeable guy. But the WCO is junk. Has been proven time and time again. If it is third and 9, you don't throw for 3 yards and expect the reciever to YAC another six for a first down and expect to win on a regular basis.

The Seahawks got lucky; they got put into probably the weakest division ever in the history of the NFL when they got shifted from the old afc west into the nfc west. They "won" their division at 8-8! Arizona might even win the same division this year at 8-8!

As the other poster said, you don't uncondition 30 yrs of learning a certain system overnight. I hope Zorn realizes that what he believes to be effectiving winning football game calling really isn't. Look at the elite redskins teams of the past; deep ball threat combined with strong OL and running game when needed. Throw the ball down the f'ing field. At best you'll get a catch, maybe a pass interference penalty..it is better than the dink/dink/dink 2 - 3 - 5 yard gains from WCO.

Posted by: manaia888 | December 15, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

And when the Seahawks went to the superbowl, they did indeed focus on a more pass down the field strategy.

Posted by: manaia888 | December 15, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I guess the job Joe Gibbs did here wasn't so bad when you look at how terrible they are now. The problem remains at the top of this organization and it has been the problem for the last ten years. This team has some talent. They have enough talent to go 8-8 or one and done in the playoffs once in a while. They do not have enough talent to win or make a deep run in the playoffs. The offensive line is old and so is the defensive line. They had three second round draft picks who really have done nothing. The ship is sinking and the band is playing. Time to fire Vinny and bring in a GM.

Posted by: bigjofc | December 15, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

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