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Zorn Updates the Injury Report

As far as injuries go, Ladell Betts is the biggest concern, Coach Jim Zorn said, with the team awaiting results on the MRI on his left knee. Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels has a mild sprain and did not have an MRI/ The team hopes that, with rest this week he will be able to play Sunday. Zorn said the team is making plans for Betts being out at least this week, with Rock Cartwright stepping right into his spot.

Zorn and the coaches could have a tough decision on whether to stick with Jon Jansen at right tackle, or give Stephon Heyer the nod once his shoulder is healthy. Heyer still does not yet have sufficient strength in his shoulder, with Zorn looking for him to have better "punch" and explosion.

Rookie receiver Malcolm Kelly's status remains in doubt. He's been injured pretty much ever since the first week of camp and had his knee drained twice last week. Zorn said the team will have to decide in the next few weeks whether to put him on the injured reserve list, which would end his season and give the team a chance to add a receiver who could actually contribute.

"It's a risk," Zorn said, citing Kelly's "potential," but also the need for complimentary receiving options (I never thought I'd say this, ever, but would B-Lloyd look good in the maroon and black right about now? Just paused for 5 seconds and indeed was not struck by lightning.) Zorn cited the lack of productivity in Kelly and fellow rookie receiver Devin Thomas as problematic again today.

Reed Doughty's nerve problems in his back persist and he's having numbness in his foot. That doesn't bode well for him playing and he didn't practice at all last week, either. Safety Chris Horton has a low ankle sprain, and Zorn thinks he will be fine. Same with receiver James Thrash, who has a mild knee sprain ("I think he'll be okay," Zorn said of Thrash). Corner Fred Smoot (groin) is also expected to be okay.

Otherwise, Zorn thought Jason Campbell made more great strides, finding his fourth option at times, executing what could have been a game-winning drive. The way he executed in the fourth quarter struck Zorn, who said those moments are pivotal to a passer's development. "It really helps define a quarterback and his career," Zorn said.

Zorn said he thought some of the mistakes Sunday were fluky, and he doesn't plan to berate players but will demand more focus and concentration to eliminate some of the sloppy play and penalties that helped cost them the game.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 13, 2008; 2:11 PM ET
 
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(I never thought I'd say this, ever, but would B-Lloyd look good in the maroon and black right about now?

Wow is all I got to say. After blasting the guy and the front office the whole time he was here. Now you want to post something like that. Just wow man!

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 13, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

We should have PUP'd Kelly and kept McMullen on the roster. He caught everything they threw at him in preseason.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | October 13, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

No Brandon Lloyd looks good right where he is. Away from DC.

Posted by: keino83 | October 13, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

lol no thanks to Lloyd!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I think they should put Kelly on IR. To have his knee drained twice last week is not good. Shut him down and have him get the mental part of the game down.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 13, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Trading deadline is just about here and TJ Housh... of Cincy might be available (a contract year thing). Not sure what it'd cost us, but I'd be asking ...

Seems lack of a 3rd WR threat is starting to impact WRs 1 & 2.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

If Betts goes to IR, then I hope they give his carries to the Caveman and Rock.

Use the spot to sign another WR, maybe bring Mix back.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 13, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 no we don't need to go after anyone that is going to cost us draft picks

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 13, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Dealer - What are you thanking me for?

zjft (sp?) - Dude, Nice low blow. I know this isn't baseball, but I'm just trying to look on the bright side. If players and coaches stop yelling in his face like he lost the game, then maybe he can progress. Everyone dosen't respond well to that. He might be one of them.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Chris Mortensen is reporting that Betts is done for the year. Ouch!

Posted by: Schroeder12 | October 13, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Vinny might have to work mornings instead of doing his radio show.

Posted by: justinw1 | October 13, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

i wonder if Chad Johnson's value has dropped below our 1st and a 3rd offer from the offseason.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | October 13, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they'll call up Derrick Blaylock. If he's not playing somewhere else.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 13, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Rock is a good RB, but Gibbs benched him after a costly fumble a few years back. Losing Betts isn't good, but Rock will do fine in a backup role.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

JLC was talking about a another player's potential as a Redskin (B. Llyod). Should we call the Washington Post to see if that's tampering???

Posted by: Schroeder12 | October 13, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Did JLa ask if B Lloyd would look good in Marron and Black??

WTF?

Eh, No........

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I have not seen anywhere that Chris Mort is reporting Betts is done. Not calling you a lier, but just not see it yet. Do you have a link?

Posted by: martinta3 | October 13, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

We never should've cut Marcus Mason. Worst case he should've gotten a practice squad spot. I think he's on the Ravens practice squad. Sad.

As I said in an earlier post, this could be a blessing in disguise. We needed a wakeup call. We need to keep that chip on the team's shoulder. This team plays its best when the wagons are circled (pardon the cowboy metaphor). Hate on haters, we love you.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 13, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

JM220.

Just said I'd ask what TJ would cost this team. If a deal makes sense, we do it. A lot depends on contracts.

He's 30 if I recall, and a top possession guy, which is a very good fit for this team. So we get a top guy who is a solution for 3-5 years. And can be a difference maker in right now. Yeah, it'll cost us to do it. The question is how much.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Bring back Marcus Mason.

Posted by: Zornado | October 13, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

++"TheTruth11, in my opinion your a moron if you think the Davis pick was a good one.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 2:37 PM"+++

He did a heckuva job teaching rookies to spend part of their bonus money on an alarm clock.

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Sign Mason off of BMore's Practice Squad!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson, Gus Ferrote, Sage Rosenfelds.
Ex-Redskins quarterbacks = Energizer bunnies.

They keep playing and playing and playing....

Posted by: cmecyclist | October 13, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't want to see them waste anything on TJ or Chad Johnson.

If they want to sign another WR, one who knows the system from preseason, they should re-sign Mix. He doesn't cost much - and he plays special teams - so he could potentially be nothing but a positive.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 13, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

As for Housh,...Maybe Vinny can steal him for a couple of first rounders. He's better than Ocho cinco these days, after all.

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

oh god, here we go again with Marcus Mason...

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

We can sign Mason from Raven. (and get to stick it to Raven and JLC)

Zce he is 30 and I believe that the young guys will come around. Those are the two reason I say no to the trade.

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 13, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

If Betts is done for the year, that's a huge blow to this offense. He's a great compliment to CP, and I was looking forward to him getting more carries towards the middle of the season to lessen the load on Portis.

I smell a Marcus Mason comeback if it is true.

Posted by: psps23 | October 13, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

+++We never should've cut Marcus Mason. Worst case he should've gotten a practice squad spot. I think he's on the Ravens practice squad. +++

If Betts is out for the year, my question is, can the 'skins sign Mason off the Ravens Practice Squad. I know a team can do that, with the guy having to stay on the team who signed him's roster for the rest of the year--but can the team who cuts him sign him?

He knows the system.

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure it's been mentioned but Portis is the leagues leading rusher. How cool is that?

Posted by: cmecyclist | October 13, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Based on what people on here think is a successful draft or what smart moves are (Taylor trade), I think we should trade our 1 to the Lions for Roy Williams, our 3rd 4th and 5th for Tony Gonzalez cause you need depth at TE, and then we can use our late round picks on our lines like always.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Housh is a stud WR. He's 31 now and averaged 1,000+ yards and 8 TDs a season (never below 950) for the past 4 years and is on that same track again.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I once read an article written by either a former NFL player or former NFL coach, don't remember, and they asked him to name one of the dumbest things he has heard fans say.

His reply - "We should sign _____, he just got cut by _____ and he's a very good player."

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Btw, anyone looking for an argument on how long it takes to develop a WR.

TJ Houshmendzadeh

rookie: 200 yds
2nd yr: 500 yds
3rd yr: injured
4-7 yr: 1000+ yds/yr

first 3 years: 1 TD, years 4-7 -- 33 TDs

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

You can sign player from any teams' practice squad, unless they decide to elevate that player to the 53-man roster.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"Based on what people on here think is a successful draft or what smart moves are (Taylor trade), I think we should trade our 1 to the Lions for Roy Williams, our 3rd 4th and 5th for Tony Gonzalez cause you need depth at TE, and then we can use our late round picks on our lines like always.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 3:09 PM "

stop whining

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Btw, anyone looking for an argument on how long it takes to develop a WR.

TJ Houshmendzadeh

rookie: 200 yds
2nd yr: 500 yds
3rd yr: injured
4-7 yr: 1000+ yds/yr

first 3 years: 1 TD, years 4-7 -- 33 TDs

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Finally some one gets it.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1, I like your thinking there, but TJ was a seventh rounder, not a highly regarded 2nd rounder, the bar is a LOT lower for a seventh round flier.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Punter Update:
Player has not been contacted by the Skins, sources say. He's in KC, where they also need a punter, for a tryout.

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 13, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Cork, not sure how available Housh is, but I saw his name pop up since his contract is coming up and the Bengals aren't going anywhere. At this point, TJ is 31 (last month). So what do you do if you are in his place?

option 1: stay loyal to a bad team
option 2: take the $$$, no matter which team
option 3: go to a team with chance to win big

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

actually, nobody gets it, 2nd rounders should be immediate contributors, not immediate detractors. (Thomas)

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

WRs Terry Glenn, Joe Horn, Reche Caldwell, Keenan McCardell, and Taylor Jacobs are all available.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 13, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Rumor mill has it that Lions are prepared to shop Roy Williams and a 2nd round pick for Chris Cooley and a 3rd... do we take it?

Posted by: TDawg1 | October 13, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Which Rumor mill is this Tdawg?

Posted by: Gweez | October 13, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The Internets rumor mill

Posted by: TDawg1 | October 13, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

TheTruth11, I'm not whining, I'm pointing out the obvious truth that Vinny doesn't get it.

And I love that in his presser Zorn through him under the bus and said that Cerrato was overreacting to the loss and the potential injury to Brooks and that we only will make a change if it makes sense. Zorn is the man, Cerrato is a moron, who shouldn't have a radio show in the first place on the busiest day for personnel guys in the league, maybe then those guys who are already visiting other teams would be here but instead Vinny is on the radio instead of on the phone. Also, he should have to make his coach answer questions about his incorrect comments, Zorn's job is tough enough without out having to be the post radio show PR guy for Vinny.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

MORE BAD NEWS FOR THE COWBOYS
Posted by Mike Florio on October 13, 2008, 3:02 p.m.

They say bad things come in threes. The Cowboys are currently hoping that it’s not actually fours or fives.

Their deflating loss to the Cardinals and the broken pinkie suffered by quarterback Tony Romo has been compounded by the expected absence of rookie running back Felix Jones.

Jones is expected to miss at least two weeks with a strained hamstring.

The injury occurred during a 14-yard run as part of a drive that gave the Cowboys a 14-7 lead. Jones left the game and didn’t return.

And so with the offense likely to focus on the running game given the elevation of the immobile Brad Johnson to the starting lineup, the Cowboys will have to get it done in the short term without their first-round rookie from Arkansas.


From PFT Mike Florio

Posted by: Gweez | October 13, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"actually, nobody gets it, 2nd rounders should be immediate contributors, not immediate detractors. (Thomas)

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 3:20 PM"

jeez, what do you expect from 1st rounders? Pro bowl?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I would think that Cooley's large signing bonus would preclude us from trading him, not to mention the fact that he may be the most popular Redskin.

Posted by: Gweez | October 13, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 - For every Houshmandzadeh that breaks out in his 4th year there's at least 1 or 2 guys that continue on with their crap statistics and end up being replaced by the next "stud rookie".

Additionally, for every Houshmandzadeh that breaks out in his 4th year there's also a Randy Moss, Anquan Boldin, Roy Williams, or even DeSean Jackson that show their ability in their 1st year.

It's not a good thing that our WRs are not producing right now. Maybe they will in the future, but it'd be nice to see some signs up front. Especially for a team devoid of true 3rd/4th WR options.

Posted by: psps23 | October 13, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

What about signing Mix back? He isn't anywhere, is he?

Posted by: TDawg1 | October 13, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Available RBs: Shaun Alexander, Ron Dayne, Mike Bell.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 13, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

To me, Q Boldin and TJ Houshmandzadeh represent the same type of player, with Boldin being a few years younger. Both come from the Art Monk school ... they get open a lot, catch the ball and move the chains. Very effective players.

WR is an area that the Skins have a problem in. Moss and ARE are capable players, but that's it for our WRs. In this league, you need 3 WRs. Kelly can't stay healthy, Thomas isn't ready and Thrash is a great effort guy with marginal talent.

I didn't like the idea of trading for #85 because he is a problem sort and this team wouldn't be a good fit. This is a lunch pail team. TJ would be a good fit AND solve the issue we have at WR.

So if the problem can be solved at a reasonable price (a 2nd round-ish pick), solve it

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

What about signing Mix back? He isn't anywhere, is he?

Posted by: TDawg1 | October 13, 2008 3:29 PM |
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Exactly. If Betts and/or Kelly go to IR, they should re-sign Mix and think about signing Mike Bell or Ron Dayne.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 13, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

What about a 3rd rounder and Fred Davis for Housh? Then the pick would make sense. The Bengals only have Ben Utecht at TE now anyhow.

Posted by: TDawg1 | October 13, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

What about a 3rd rounder and Fred Davis for Housh? Then the pick would make sense. The Bengals only have Ben Utecht at TE now anyhow.

Posted by: TDawg1

If it were only that easy...

Posted by: psps23 | October 13, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Btw, anyone looking for an argument on how long it takes to develop a WR.

TJ Houshmendzadeh

rookie: 200 yds
2nd yr: 500 yds
3rd yr: injured
4-7 yr: 1000+ yds/yr

first 3 years: 1 TD, years 4-7 -- 33 TDs

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Finally some one gets it.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2008 3:19 PM

It doesn't have to take that long. Colston, Roy Williams, Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Lee Evans, Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Braylon Edwards... Shall I continue. If you can play, you can play. Kelly and Thomas don't have to be pro bowlers but they should at least contribute a reception or two each game. They aren't even getting looks. At this rate, they won't even equal Housh's 200 yd rookie year.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 13, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"It doesn't have to take that long. Colston, Roy Williams, Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Lee Evans, Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Braylon Edwards... Shall I continue. If you can play, you can play. Kelly and Thomas don't have to be pro bowlers but they should at least contribute a reception or two each game. They aren't even getting looks. At this rate, they won't even equal Housh's 200 yd rookie year.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 13, 2008 3:34 PM "


you DO know that Malcom Kelly has been injured right???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

What about a 3rd rounder and Fred Davis for Housh? Then the pick would make sense. The Bengals only have Ben Utecht at TE now anyhow.

Posted by: TDawg1

If it were only that easy...

Posted by: psps23 | October 13, 2008 3:34 PM |

Why can't it be? They're a rebuilding franchise; they'd be getting a stud young player that we have no use for at a position that they need depth at, PLUS another valuable draft pick where they could snag a solid guard prospect for that pedestrian O-Line of theirs. Just saying.

And Fred's sleeping habits would fall right in line with the team's overall work ethic.

Posted by: TDawg1 | October 13, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

jeez, what do you expect from 1st rounders? Pro bowl?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abus

No, a 1st rounder should be a starter immediately, day one, except potentially at QB, that is the only position that a 1st rounder can sit and its acceptable. Truth, allow me to tell you what if you listen to PTI Wilbon says often or if you watch ESPN or listen to Fox radio most all will tell you. A decent GM should be able to most of the time get the following results from the following rounds, and if he can't he isn't doing his job.

Round 1 - immediate starter
Round 2 - immediate contributor w/ starting potential and should be a starter within rookie contract
Round 3 - contributor with spot starting capability
Round 4 - depth/special teams/upside
Rounds 5 and later - pretty much looking for depth, fliers, potential and just hoping to find somebody to make the roster better if possible not expecting much.

Vinny's draft by all accounts is not a great one right now. The only saving grace is that Kelly, Thomas, and Davis have a lot of upside and Horton looks like a steal. But all three second rounders should be having much more of an impact then they are, its not like Todd Yoder is a stud TE in this league, its says a lot that Davis can't beat him out, and Thomas and Kelly have been to date, major disappointments. Rinehart is a reserve for now and was a solid pick that if calamity fell on our line could be a starter, that's a good 3rd, Tryon looked terrible in the preseason and looks like a bad pick. Anything after that is a crap shoot...

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

absolutly no way on coolety for roy williams stick with what we have and develope what we have its just one game guys

Posted by: drkeller1 | October 13, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

psps -- agree with you on your point ... a lot of good WRs do show signs of becoming good players early on, but few show up big in their rookie year.

Monk was at 800 yards as a rookie and didn't go over the 1,000 mark until his 5th season ... though he might have gotten there if not for an injury in year 4.

Jerry Rice had 3 TD catches as a rookie, and was good for double digit TDs every year after that.

Let the young WRs develop, but it would be nice to see more signs that a bright future awaits Kelly and Thomas ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

First we needed younger players who could contribute in 2-3 years, now we have fans who want to draft for another 30+ year old WR?


Jeeeeze, and that comes out after ONE loss. Saturday we were fine and dandy, but one bad loss and it's back to the doom and gloom.

We're freaking 4-2 with a rookie head coach people. We were picked last in our division now we're sitting pretty for second in our division. Last week everybody had us in the top 3 teams in the league and we were all soaking it up. ONE bad loss and it's the end of the world? Seriously!?!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Is Betts really out? Where is the article?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 13, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"Vinny's draft by all accounts is not a great one right now. The only saving grace is that Kelly, Thomas, and Davis have a lot of upside and Horton looks like a steal. But all three second rounders should be having much more of an impact then they are, its not like Todd Yoder is a stud TE in this league, its says a lot that Davis can't beat him out, and Thomas and Kelly have been to date, major disappointments. Rinehart is a reserve for now and was a solid pick that if calamity fell on our line could be a starter, that's a good 3rd, Tryon looked terrible in the preseason and looks like a bad pick. Anything after that is a crap shoot...

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 3:38 PM "


I've said this one already, you DO know Malcom Kelly has been injured, right?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Why can't it be? They're a rebuilding franchise; they'd be getting a stud young player that we have no use for at a position that they need depth at, PLUS another valuable draft pick where they could snag a solid guard prospect for that pedestrian O-Line of theirs. Just saying.

And Fred's sleeping habits would fall right in line with the team's overall work ethic.

Posted by: TDawg1

If you could sell that to the Bengals, be my guest. But remember, this is the same franchise that rebuffed a multiple 1st round pick offer for Chad Johnson. Housh is just around the same quality player, and around the same age (may even be considered better depending on who you talk to). It'll take a lot more than a 2nd round pick TE that struggles to dress and a future 3rd round draft choice to pluck Housh from the Bengals.

Posted by: psps23 | October 13, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis and a mid round pick for TJ ... good call. The Bengals need the young talent and TJ might not be a Bengal for much longer anyway. They get something they need, we get something we need.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

you DO know that Malcom Kelly has been injured right???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 3:35 PM

I am aware. I am also aware that he was not in shape, according to the coach, before he got hurt.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 13, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

First we needed younger players who could contribute in 2-3 years, now we have fans who want to draft for another 30+ year old WR?


Jeeeeze, and that comes out after ONE loss. Saturday we were fine and dandy, but one bad loss and it's back to the doom and gloom.


We're freaking 4-2 with a rookie head coach people. We were picked last in our division now we're sitting pretty for second in our division. Last week everybody had us in the top 3 teams in the league and we were all soaking it up. ONE bad loss and it's the end of the world? Seriously!?!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 3:39 PM |


Truth, I don't think anyone is throwing them under the bus here. I think we're just seeing that we have the potential here to be a Super Bowl team this year-- the possibility is there NOW. But the truth is that in order to be truely succesful we need to have some more WR options to keep Tana, ARE, and Cooley open. If Thomas and Kelly can't step up, I can see why people are clamoring for a WR now because we're ready to win NOW.

That said, I think our focus in next year's draft should be at filling out the new generation of hogs (namely at guard and center), corner, and linebacker.

Posted by: TDawg1 | October 13, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

We should really consider looking at Shaun Alexander, he's not a change of pace guy, kind of more like Portis than Betts, but he's perfect to give Portis a spell. Plus he's familiar with Zorn's offense on day one.

Posted by: clark202 | October 13, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

First we needed younger players who could contribute in 2-3 years, now we have fans who want to draft for another 30+ year old WR?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 3:39 PM |
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Not me. I'm just saying if Betts and/or Kelly go to IR, we should replace them with inexpensive vets.

Either bring Mix back, or sign Terry Glenn, Joe Horn, Reche Caldwell, or Keenan McCardell.

And for Betts' spot, either Ron Dayne or Mike Bell (Shaun Alexander is also available, but I'm sure his agent would want a sizable contract, and he's not worth more than the league minimum anymore, imho).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 13, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Truth ... I've been on the 'add another stud possession WR' for a long time now. Started with Q, now onto TJ since Boldin isn't going anywhere at this point with AZ leading the west.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Moving on, talking about the past is starting to bore me, the Boyz have I think the Rams, Bucs, and Gints before they get us again. The Pac Man decision should hit this week. I looking forward to a TO meltdown during this next month of football.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 3:09 PM "

stop whining

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 3:16 PM

Truth and I finally agree on something......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

McMullen or Mix...should have been kept over Knee trouble. PUP....would have been good for Malcolm Kelly and the skins. Vinny wants to move the punter when his draft picks are not panning out. Horton is amazing at DB, but there is no production from our Rookie class. We as fans need to stay "medium" and calm down. The skins will be fine and we'll be 7-2 going into the cowboys game.

Posted by: austingh3aolcom | October 13, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I wish we could get a bailout for Torrence from the government. Or at the very least, maybe we can bundle him up with all those worthless mortgages out there. Does Freddie Mac need a cornerback?

Posted by: clark202 | October 13, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I've said this one already, you DO know Malcom Kelly has been injured, right?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

That is the only guy there is any defense for and that is why he fell to us so late, because of knee issues that every other team knew about, remember, he was gonna be the 1st guy taken but fell because of knee issues, and we get to see why.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Watching the interview on Redskins.com--skins got some real smart, erudite players. Cooley, Kendal, randle El and Torrence come across as well spoken, classy.

No excuse making, no self-pity, no cheap shots at opponents. Dunno about you, but I like that in a team I root for.

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

no way skins trade Cooley. not a chance. i don't think we need to pick up a WR either. But for that goofy catch/fumble by Kendall we'd be 5-1. the Rams offense could do nothing except for one play at the end.

it's just one game. let's not turn into Philly fans and panic after losing a game. We're gonna take it out on Cleveland.

I'll take 150+ yds rushing and 200+ yds passing every week. those turnovers were killers but i think we've clearly shown that yesterday was the exception to the norm.

luck of the draw: Kendall fumbles, ball bounces towards sideline but stays in bounds for Ram to pick up and run 80 yards for TD. earlier in the game a Ram fumbled near the sideline, ball heads towards the sidelines and goes out of bounds before Redskin could pick it up and score.

it happens. let's not panic. we're gonna be fine if the defense plays the rest of the year it's played the past 6 games. and with Portis leading the league in rushing and Campbell still without an int, the offense is fine.

no worries.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | October 13, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

1st WR taken, not 1st pick...for a while that's where Kiper had him

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

+++Based on what people on here think is a successful draft or what smart moves are (Taylor trade), I think we should trade our 1 to the Lions for Roy Williams, our 3rd 4th and 5th for Tony Gonzalez cause you need depth at TE, and then we can use our late round picks on our lines like always.....

Posted by: zjfr2 +++


Vinny? is that you?

Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

scampbell75, yeah i was saying...once cooley fumbles (only 2 lost now in his career according to espn) it doesn't happen anymore that season...so yeah at least we got that going for us.

As for B. Lloyd, isn't that d-bag injured again?

Posted by: bms46and2 | October 13, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

CHILL OUT!!!:

Everyone who is bashing Devin Thomas needs to relax. Do all of you expect this guy to have 400 yards and 5 TD's already?????? I think he will come around and be a playmaker, but this is not college anymore. I feel that he should have a solid grasp of the offense by this point, and we really need him to make plays to take some heat off of the double teams Santana is getting. But chill, you gotta' give the guy more than a few games before you make a decision on him. You guys have Snyder syndrome and expect everything to work out perfectly from the very beginning.
Also, I saw someone make a post about trading Cooley. My response, HELL NO!!!! That would be absolutely retarded.

Posted by: marleyb313 | October 13, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

How about the 'girls? Typical season for them, they have so much drama going on behind the scenes that they just don't have time to play football. I think the NFL network should queue the the theme song from Dallas every time the cowgirls are featured or mentioned. Instead of who shot J.R., they should figure out who shot the season.

Posted by: clark202 | October 13, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

beep beep betts update.

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 13, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

How about if the Redskins trade Durant Brooks for Reggie Wayne?

Justin Tryon for LaDanian Tomlinson?

A tackling dummy for Brian Moorman, or the reincarnated Reggie Roby?

(Now THAT'S satire.)

Posted by: tfirey | October 13, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly does seem to be made of glass though, unfortunately.

Posted by: marleyb313 | October 13, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Rhetorical Question:

What do the following former Redskins, who were each dismissed by Dan Snyder, have in common?

Norv Turner
Marty Schottenheimer
Brad Johnson
Al Saunders

(Did I forget anyone?)

Posted by: RambleOn | October 13, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

+++Cork, not sure how available Housh is, but I saw his name pop up since his contract is coming up and the Bengals aren't going anywhere. At this point, TJ is 31 (last month). So what do you do if you are in his place?

option 1: stay loyal to a bad team
option 2: take the $$$, no matter which team
option 3: go to a team with chance to win big

Posted by: zcezcest1++++


Option1. Not the Bunguls. They will NEVER be good.
Option2. How much Moolah, you talking about, big fella?
Option 3. If it were up to me, I'd try to get a short term deal with a winner..if we win, then take the cash and run elsewhere.

But as a pro who has suffered with a bad team as long as Housh has, I'd want to try to win.

There's another factor. Housh has been on NFL Net and has good presence. If he wants a Media life after football, a major market could be the determining factor for him.


Posted by: TheCork | October 13, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

The Kendal play was a once in a 10 year type play, but for that and being able to punt the ball 40 yards we win easy. And NO NO NO NO NO NO NO to trading away more draft picks for aging vets especially for more freaking wide receivers. We have to lead the league and resources spent on wideouts the last five years. We overpaid for Coles, traded for Lloyd, overpaid for Randel El, and have drafted a lot of them. STOP! do not trade away more valuable picks (if Vinny can figure out the whole draft thing) for more WR's. If betts is on IR sign a vet depth guy behind Rock and put Kelly on IR and go get Mix. We will need those picks come April to replace:

Washington (too expensive for being too injury prone)
Griff (ibid)
Jansen (now way he stays at his price tag)
Kendal (knees = retirement)
Springs

We don't need another freaking receiver!

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Cork, we're option 3 ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 13, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Cool your jets boys. kind of expected the blog to be thsi s***storm following the debacle, and it's kind of cathartic in a way, but god I can't wait for next Sun so the BS can stop (or we all start on a new load). The draft stuff is really bugging me. 1 it's to soon to rate it. 2. Give Devin time. 3 Kelly is injured - rest him this week then IR if not close to playing. 4 Davis was a luxury sure but seriously who else would you have picked at that point? (Jackson is looking great right now but remember we were looking for beanpoles not leprechauns). And away from the draft, I'd rather suit up Stephen Hawking than Brandon Lloyd.

I think we'll give the Brwons a good shoeing and Thomas gets a TD.

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | October 13, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Skins made a mistake releasing McMullen who had legit NFL experience and could have helped as the third WR, but Vinny overruled and insisted that Kelly stay on the active roster even though his knee wasn't right. Maybe he could talk Keenan McCardell out of retirement again so we had a possession receiver. Another stupid personnel move by Vinny so he could save face about his draft picks.

It's funny that Vinny is doing a radio show and the Green Bay and Dallas GM's have punters coming in for tryouts. It looks like we'll be looking at some 38-yr. old guy who's been out of football all season to punt for us the rest of the year. Maybe Vinny should give up his morning gig and focus on addressing the team's personnel needs.

Glad to see Zorn spoke up and let Vinny look like the idiot everyone knows he is outside of Dan Snyder.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 13, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

WR's from the draft :

1st round :

NONE


2nd round :

#33 St. Louis Rams Donnie Avery 10 catches 119 yards 0 TD's (note 43 of those 119 yards came on one catch, so minus that he has 9 catches for 76 yards)

#34 Washington Redskins Devin Thomas 4 catches 40 yards 0 TD's

#36 Green Bay Packers Jordy Nelson 14 catches 158 yards 1 TD

#41 Buffalo Bills James Hardy 5 catches 47 yards 1 TD

#42 Denver Broncos Eddie Royal 30 catches 321 yards 2 TD's 1 lost fumble

#46 Cincinatti Bengals Jerome Simpson NO STATS LISTED

#49 Philidelpha Eagles Desean Jackson 29 catches 433 yards 1 TD

#51 Washington Redskins Malcom Kelly 1 catch 6 yards 0 TD's

#53 Pittsburgh Steelers Limas Sweed NO STATS LISTED

#58 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Dexter Jackson NO STATS LISTED


3rd Round :

#70 Chicago Bears Earl Bennett NO STATS LISTED

#81 Arizona Cardinals Early Doucet 7 catches 45 yards 0 TD's

#84 Atlanta Falcons Harry Douglas 11 catches 148 yards 0 TD's

#95 New York Giants Mario Manningham 1 catch 6 yards 0 TD's

#97 Cincinatti Bengals Andre Caldwell NO STATS LISTED


4th Round :

#105 Kansas City Chiefs William Franklin 1 catch 8 yards 0 TD's

#106 Baltimore Ravens Marcus Smith NO STATS LISTED

#125 Oakland Raiders Arman Shields NO STATS LISTED

#126 Tennessee Titans Lavelle Hawkins NO STATS LISTED

#128 St. Louis Rams Keenan Burton NO STATS LISTED

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Glad the morons on here dont run the Skins. This team would be worse off than with Cerrato.

They definitely dont need to trade for an aging veteran WR on his contract year. Thats probably what snyder is preachin to Zorn and Cerrato right now as the trade deadline expires. Hopefully they convince snyder to not waste more draft picks. They already are short a 2nd from Taylor and a 7th for james making the squad.

JLC was talking about a another player's potential as a Redskin (B. Llyod). Should we call the Washington Post to see if that's tampering???

Posted by: Schroeder12 | October 13, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

^Haha! Good one!

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | October 13, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I've got it! Send D Thomas to the Chiefs in exchange for Gonzo, and then deal Gonzo to AZ in exchange for Boldin.

Otherwise, forget adding new receivers.

Also, go to CFL or somewhere and upgrade the kicking game once and for all! The Saints got hosed with Gramatica, they plugged in some rookie Sunday and he scored 10 points for them.

We're not playing well enough overall to ignore field position.

Posted by: messykat | October 13, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't see the potential for this year from Kelley. Why do we continue to hold on to him. IR him already. You have alread wasted 1/3 of the season waiting and he had his knee drained twice last week from just practicing. Put him on the IR, take care of his injuries, make sure he is healthy, or as healthy as he can be for next year and trot him out there again. He was hurt through college and he is still hurt. Go out and get sombody who has played in the west coast offense a little and get them quick so they might be ready to play after the bye week.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | October 13, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

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