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Zorn Wraps Up the Injuries

Jim Zorn went over the injury scenarios after practice.

I mentioned the Malcolm Kelly situation. He didn't sound overly optimistic that the rookie WR would be able to play after the bye, but given his talent the staff opted to give it a shot. Zorn said that Kelly will almost certainly require some exploratory procedure on his knee after the season.

"We'll see if his knee holds up," Zorn said. "We're hoping that his knee responds to the rest."

Jason Taylor, Clinton Portis, Fred Smoot and Carlos Rogers also did not take part in much of practice, but Zorn said all will play. As we have previously noted, Zorn will hold Cornelius Griffin out, he said, and Shawn Springs is virtually certain not to play.

I asked Zorn a few questions about the non-traditional nature his "West Coast Offense" has assumed (some of the offensive linemen have taken to calling it the Midwest Coast Offense), with so few three-step drops, all the running plays, the limited scope of the passing attack, the reliance on shotgun and play action.

He said he expected it to kind of start off this way, noting it took three years for things to get where the coaches really wanted them in Seattle, but did admit that, "I wouldn't have predicted that we'd be leading the league in rushing." He is pleased with the gradual development of the offense, however, and again, I applaud him for being willing to make some philosophical switches and cater his scheme to his players, particularly Jason Campbell.

Zorn also said the fullback Mike Sellers has been in his ear, in a good-natured way, about getting some catches and rushes, but that he's too valuable as a lead blocker for Clinton Portis right now to worry about that. "We don't let him," Zorn said of Sellers running or catching the ball.

Sellers had a huge game against the Lions last year - with a receiving and running TD, five catches and like three receptions - and Zorn his day will come again, but right now they need him focused entirely on his blocking responsibilities.

"It's the nature of what we're doing right now," Zorn said, pointing to his power running attack.

Reed Doughty is visiting another back specialist today and said he has not yet made a decision on whether to have surgery for a nerve problem in his back.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 23, 2008; 4:00 PM ET
 
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Comments

First! Shutdown Kelly already unless there is no better option. I thought Mann did well in preseason.

Posted by: straub21 | October 23, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

FIRST of all, Sellers is too valuable . . .

Posted by: Skins63 | October 23, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 23, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"Sellers had a huge game against the Lions last year - with a receiving and running TD, five catches and like three receptions - "

did he have five catches or like three catches?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 23, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, what's on the Food Menu for the chat? I feel I will be disappointed and may not go......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 23, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I asked Zorn a few questions about the non-traditional nature his "West Coast Offense" has assumed (some of the offensive linemen have taken to calling it the Midwest Coast Offense)

Very funny.
Give the big man the rock. He has a bad taste in his mouth from the last couple times he got the ball. he was a beast when it was still a suprise, think most teams have forgotten hes good for an occasional touch.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 23, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

From Jason La Canfora:
Jim Zorn said the Redskins will rest rookie wide receiver Malcolm Kelly through the bye week and then decide whether to put him on the injured-reserve list after that.
Zorn said they will push him hard in practice when he comes back to the field and are hoping for the best, but admitted, "it's heading towards ending his season."
...

By Cindy Boren | October 23, 2008; 3:11 PM ET


SJK! They should have been did that! I said that yestergay.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 23, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

By the way, you probably heard about the guy running on the field in the 2nd half...what you might not have seen unless you were at the game (since TV stations rarely show those clowns) was Santana lining up to lay him out. It was awesome. Here he is, a 5-9 WR about to return an important kickoff and he's trying to lay the wood. Love 'Tana.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 23, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty bad when you don't know exactly what is wrong with a knee injury, despite an assortment of tests at your disposal. I smell a Lavar Arrington injury situation.

Posted by: spizzle | October 23, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

He said he expected it to kind of start off this way, noting it took three years for things to get where the coaches really wanted them in Seattle, but did admit that, "I wouldn't have predicted that we'd be leading the league in rushing." He is pleased with the gradual development of the offense, however, and again, I applaud him for being willing to make some philosophical switches and cater his scheme to his players, particularly Jason Campbell.

.......................

By Jason La Canfora | October 23, 2008; 4:00 PM ET


JLaC - You are proud he is running a Gibbs 2.0 Offense???????

Wow....Just Wow....

Classic

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 23, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Sellers ran over Kinnoy Kennedy last year. Blew the guy completely up. Anyone who remembers will know what I'm talking about.

I think Zorn would be wise to get the ball to Sellers on occasion. Yes the guy blocks, but you shouldn't let the defense just assume he won't get any touches. Not too long ago, he had about 7 TDs in a season. The only issue is that he doesn't hang onto the ball that well.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 23, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

What about Horton? I assume he will play Sunday but this information was posted. Any update?

Posted by: Skins28 | October 23, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Lets bring back Billy McMullen if we have to place Kelly on the IR, he was recently released by the Seahawks.

Posted by: Skins28 | October 23, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Can't understand why the Skins are wasting time with Kelly when they should be trying to get in someone PRIOR to the Bye week like Maurice Mann or Berl Toler who are at least familiar with the offense from training camp. Don't we have a 53-man roster or has it been cut to 52 to carrry a guy who should have been on IR since preseason.

Focus should be on getting Devin Thomas more involved/ready to contribute in the offense. Thrash is clearly only used as a blocker in certain packages and not a threat as a receiver. Thomas might actually contribute in the 2nd half of the season and we could use a 5th receiver since Thrash plays a lot on special teams.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 23, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

And probably 6 out of the 7 TD's that year were on play action passes. He doesn't need to hold onto the ball there, just catch it and spike it or hand it to the ref after scoring. Our short yardage has been great with CP following Sellers. Don't mess with something that isn't broken.

Posted by: F_Registration | October 23, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Second Skins28 post to pick up McMullen if he's available. He's played 4 years in the league and was the best WR of the backups during preseason.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 23, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I would not mind it if it was called the East Coast Offense.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 23, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Lets bring back Billy McMullen if we have to place Kelly on the IR, he was recently released by the Seahawks.

Posted by: Skins28 | October 23, 2008 4:29 PM "

sounds like he would be a great addition with instant success

jeeze...

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 23, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Na bring in Mix, if nothing else he is a big target

Posted by: alex35332 | October 23, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

As for the west coast offense thing ... I'll pat myself on the back without hurting my calf.

After the jints game in week 1, I noticed how much better Campbell looked from the shotgun (I think Alex also mentioned it). I think Jasno wrote something up on that later in the week.

Shotgun is not a major part of the WCO.

In the week 2 win, Zorn did a very smart thing. He played to the strengths of his players, and didn't force feed a WCO. I've mentioned it several times that this doesn't look like a WCO. Now the Skins are actually saying it out loud. I'll admit to having an advantage in understanding the WCO ... I've lived in the SF area since 1980 so I've seen tons of it.

There has to be an interesting backstory here. The Spaghetti Gang hired Zorn specifically to install a WCO and run it as the offensive coordinator. Zorn wound up as HC, but I'm sure the Spaghetti Gang expected to see a WCO every week.

But Zorn went his own way and didn't follow the road map -- the very reason why he was hired!! Instead, Zorn did what every great coach does. He saw what his guys did well and adapted.

Kudos to Jim Zorn

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 23, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Not only did Jim Zorn see what his guys did well and adapt, but he also skinned a coyote.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 23, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Here here Zcezest. I think we will slowly go WC but he is playing to win games now and go west later it seems

Posted by: alex35332 | October 23, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I should finish the thought. Zorn was hired for his specialized knowledge of the WCO, not so much for leadership. If he wasn't a WCO guy, he never gets hired as the offensive coordinator.

It turns out that its Zorn's leadership that is the real value. His specialized WCO knowledge isn't a big part of the Skins success.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 23, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

DETROIT RESIDENTS SPARED OF WATCHING CRAPPY FOOTBALL
Posted by Mike Florio on October 23, 2008, 3:39 p.m.
The downtrodden Lions have enjoyed a sellout streak throughout the seven darkest years any NFL team has endured.
But the run ends Sunday, when the home game against the Redskins won’t appear on local television.
The Lions had previously sold out every game played at Ford Field, which opened in 2002. The run of 51 consecutive sellouts began with the final game of the 2001 season.
Asked about the possible non-sellout, Lions coach Rod Marinelli said, “No comment.”
Actually, he didn’t. Here’s what he said: “It’s our fault — that’s my fault. If we were playing better, and if we were executing better and we were winning more, then [the fans] would come.”
We appreciate Marinelli’s willingness to take the blame, but it’s not as if the Lions have been tearing it up for the past seven years. We think that the economy is factoring into the end of the streak, coupled with the fact that Ford Field has now been around long enough to have lost its novelty
A total of 5,000 tickets were unsold as of 72 hours before kickoff. No 24-hour extension was given, which seems to confirm something we heard earlier this year about this specific aspect of the process.
As the legend/theory/rumor goes, an extension is provided only if the team has already lined someone up (often, the local television station airing the game) to buy any leftover tickets. Then, a 24-hour extension is announced in the hopes of getting folks who really want to see the game to buy tickets under the premise that there’s a chance the game won’t be shown on television locally.
Meanwhile, a behind-the-scenes sellout already has been arranged, and the folks who buy tickets during the 24-hour window help to reduce the size of the pill that a third party ultimately will swallow.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 23, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

And played a concert. And he grinned down a grizzly bear

Posted by: alex35332 | October 23, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Richard Pryor?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 23, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

wait do we skins fans get the game at least?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 23, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze -- Nice shot a couple of posts ago, I'll just have to take that!

Zorn must really like what he sees from Kelly when he's out there to be waiting so long for him.

I hope it pans out well. Thomas is getting the work, and I will be surprised if we don't start seeing more and more of him in the offense.

Posted by: craig2 | October 23, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who paddles, as Zorn does, gets extra credit from me. Just don't want to see him trying class 5++ stuff ... like Great Falls

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 23, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"It turns out that its Zorn's leadership that is the real value. His specialized WCO knowledge isn't a big part of the Skins success."

He also was part-owner of a gadget shop.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 23, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

At this point, we got two prime WRs and a bit of meatloaf. We'll need to add some more meatloaf when Kelly is IR'd.

I've changed a bit on that on that based on a comment by wizfan. I was thinking we should give Kelly until after the bye week. But wizfan said bringing in a new guy during the bye week would help him get up to speed faster. As I think it thru, wizfan's argument makes more sense.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 23, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

but have you seen his "worthless tricks"?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 23, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

But Zorn went his own way and didn't follow the road map -- the very reason why he was hired!! Instead, Zorn did what every great coach does. He saw what his guys did well and adapted.

Kudos to Jim Zorn

Posted by: zcezcest1

And Gibbs 2.0. He started with some shotgun last year.

He's running CP26 more than Gibbs 2.0 did, and there were complaints about running him too much (esp coming from CP).

Gibbs 2.0 laid out that road map you refered to. He just couldn't find the X that marks the spot. Zorn is taking his path traveled and improvising on it.

Am I the only one who sees that?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 23, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

always like that prime rib vs meatloaf analogy. first saw it in the Post when the Skins traded away about 5 guys for one guy in return. The articles author wrote that they were 'trading a lot of meatloaf for one prime rib'. I can't name the meatloaf we traded away. But I remember the prime rib we got -- Ken Houston.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 23, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I was also thinking along the same lines as wizfan as far bringing someone else in before the bye to give them more of a chance to get up to speed. But, something just occured to me, Horace Gant and Devin Aromashodu are both on the practice squad, which means they practice with the team every week, and already know the offense.

So the question becomes this: which one of those guys does Zorn bring up?

Posted by: craig2 | October 23, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I see the same thing 4th. Was gonna say that Zorn is running the Gibbs 2.0 offense better than Gibbs. Its not quite true, though. But you can see a lot of Gibbs-type stuff in what Zorn is doing.

What I really like about Zorn is that he isn't doctrinaire. He changed approaches between week 1 and week 2 because he saw it was a better approach. It was a pretty big risk ... the Spaghetti Gang didn't hire him to run a Gibbs-like offense. If that had failed, his job would have been at risk.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 23, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Guys, I think one thing you need to realize is that if Maurice Mann or Berl Toler were any good they would have already been picked up by another team. Billy McMullen wasn't good enough to hold onto his roster spot with the Seahawks either. Malcolm Kelly has huge upside potential (to be like Andre Johnson of the Texans) so that is why the coaching staff want to give him every opportunity to get healthy. We are winning with 4 healthy wide receivers, and we rarely throw to Thrash and Thomas, so why go out and get another sub-par guy if there is a chance Kelly can produce in the final 8 weeks of the season. Just my opinion...

Posted by: hender_22 | October 23, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Alex- No the blackout only effects the detroit market.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 23, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

What are the chances that Kelly's condition is a chronic one?
My brother who is a doctor believes that once fluid gets in the knee it will keep happening. Therefore Kelly is a wasted pick.
I want to be positive, but I am not a doctor so some gloom and doom is setting in.
Does this mean that there is a limit to what MK12 can contribute going forward? Or will a season of rest fix the problem and allow him to reach the potential everyone thinks he has?

Posted by: Predator48 | October 23, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

As long as the run game continues to do well, the lack of a 3rd WR isn't as big a deal. We run behind a very good line and have Mike Sellers doing the lead blocking. With Cooley on the field, we only need 2 WRs.

The reason you add another WR is because without Kelly, we have a bench of 1. That's a bit too thin. I'm wondering if Shaun Alexander can catch!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 23, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

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