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Jim Zorn

Redskins are interviewing Seattle Qb coach Jim Zorn for an offensive coordinator position, according to league sources. The Redskins asked premission to talk to him this week - again not the head coaching job - and flew him from the Senior Bowl in Mobile to town today, where was expected to interview at owner Daniel Snyder's house.

Zorn has developed many quarterbacks and has a strong reputation. He was an accomplished NFL QB himself, mostly with Seattle. This continues to jibe with what I have heard through this process about Al Saunders possibly being in hot water.

I am still connecting all the dots about the biug picture here and will keep you posted.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 23, 2008; 2:32 PM ET
 
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Comments

First! Does Zorn have a relationship with Fassel?

Posted by: matthewkim01 | January 23, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

when will it end!

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

This is insane! When is Snyder going to put this issue to rest... for the other coaches, players and, for God's sake, the fans!

This whole thing is embarrassing...

Posted by: psummers | January 23, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this is good. Maybe GG get's the nod with a new OC... I can't see them hiring Fassel and a OC

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | January 23, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Why would Snyder be interviewing the subsidiary coaches without having announced his head coach? Unless what the HC thinks is not an essential part of the process...

Ugh. You guys have my sympathy.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 23, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm having a hard time seeing these dots. My picture is all covered with biugs.

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why everyone is in such a rush. I think having a new coach by the Super Bowl would be a pretty decent time-table. It's a big decision. I wish they were this contemplative with free agents and draft picks in the past. They should take their time, make sure they talk to everyone who interests them, and then decide. There is ABSOLUTELY no rush right now.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 23, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

looks like i will be saving $200 next year by not getting the NFL package on Direct TV. Sigh... this is just ebarrasing

Posted by: Stevida | January 23, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Why would we be going after an OC when we dont have a HC, this makes no sense, if snyder has decided he just needs to make the announcment

Posted by: SAK2 | January 23, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

What -- we finally get Jason up to page 235 of that 700-page Saunders playbook, and it's time to toss it on the scrapheap??? Say it ain't so, Danny-boy!!

I mean, I ain't no great big Al Saunders fan, but it's gotta put a young QB like JC back a full year to have to learn a whole new system from scratch -- AGAIN...

Posted by: gr8day4bsbll | January 23, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, if the whole coaching staff is introduced in a single appearance, there will be little doubt who is running this "unbroken, unfixed" thing.

More importantly, however, what does this have to do with pies?

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to be consistent from my previous post as we are all looking for some consistency :

Fcuk that,

Hire Grilliams and get on with it.

Fcuk the rest.

Fcuk, hurry this thing up!

What the Fcuk!?

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 23, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

See! If they are interviewing Zorn, that means Greggg Williams will be the next HC...

The ship has remained steady through all the rough waters.....

Vegence is mine!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 23, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Both zorn and fassel have ties to Utah State... Fassel was an asst coach there in the 80's and Zorn was an asst there later after fassel left in the 90's

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

This is totally crazy. He is doing this to bring attention to himself. What an ass!!

Posted by: jm220 | January 23, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, he has to see what combination of coaches he can land, I would imagine. You can't hire a head coach in hopes a good support staff will just appear.

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

There goes that nice pie-induced coma we were all in...

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Could simply be that one of the HC candidates they are interested in (Williams, Fassel, Schwartz, etc.) told them he'd be interested in Zorn as OC and they want to see if they can live with him before offering the HC job to that candidate.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 23, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh, goody. It's always a great thing to have your 3rd year QB with a Wonderlich score of 13 try to learn a new offensive system every 2 years. But no worries, because we've got a backup QB who's been using the same system since the mid-90s.

How about we leave the coaches alone and get a new owner?

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | January 23, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Does Dan Snyder have one of those deli-style number dispensers outside the mansion to handle the interviews?

"Mr. Fassel, you're number 96 . . . now, serving, number 96 . . . Mr. Zorn, now serving number 97."

"No, Mr. Williams, it's not your 5th turn yet."

This is hilarious. Every fear that every Skins fan has had about the Danny and Vinny "Fredo" Cerrato has come true.

Or would Vinny be "Igor"?

Posted by: TheManUpstairs | January 23, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

My favorites:
Pecan Pie(haven't had it with caramel & chocolate though)
Pumpkin Pie
Apple Pie

All can be made better with Breyer's vanilla ice cream.

***Note to self***
Pick up pie and ice cream on way home from work. Eat for dinner.
***End note to self***

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

jm220, are the falcons interviewing people for attention too? Maybe they should just hire anyone who says I'll do it. Lets just skip all the interviews and hire based on a dice game.

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Why would Snyder be interviewing the subsidiary coaches without having announced his head coach? Unless what the HC thinks is not an essential part of the process...

Ugh. You guys have my sympathy.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 23, 2008 02:41 PM

Danny is just following in Jerry JOnes' footsteps, as usual....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 23, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

My only data point on Zorn is that he used to be the QB in Seattle (throwing to Largent, right?). I'm not sure how I feel about bringing a Klingon into the organization though.

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The comments on this blog are getting ridiculous.

A bunch of people who don't know what is going on feeding incredibly wild speculation.

Relax people. Wait until the process is finished to judge what you know nothing about at this point.

Posted by: SonnyFan | January 23, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Saunders was never the problem.

The problem was and is questionable talent. And the problem's only gonna get worse.

Posted by: info | January 23, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna need to know what type of pie Zorn favors. Jasno - can you work the phones on this?

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is a Seattleite thru and thru and probable OC when Holmgren leaves, no way Zorn leaves Seattle for DC...humoring himself by playing with little Danny Snyda

Posted by: steviej1964 | January 23, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Can we get back to the pie talk....mmmm pie...key lime pie isn't so bad either.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 23, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to think they've got their HC settled on then. Otherwise WTH. Yo Danny, the cart goes behind the horse.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 23, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

fassel and zorn were both west coast guys heving been born in CA... both played QB, so seems like these two may have some connections.

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The question is, who is in the room with Snyder while Zorn is interviewed? Williams or Fassel? Williams is in town isn't he, what about Fassel?

Posted by: cabraman | January 23, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't it Marie Antoinette who said, "Let them eat Pie."

(I just had this mental image of Danny in drag!)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Both zorn and fassel have ties to Utah State... Fassel was an asst coach there in the 80's and Zorn was an asst there later after fassel left in the 90's

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 02:44 PM

_______
I just love that everytime a new name is mentioned, someone plays Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon with them.

Posted by: suzannepdc | January 23, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

All I'm saying ... and I'll only say this once ... is 8 to 10 servings.

http://www.cooks.com/rec/doc/0,1937,148176-234193,00.html

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Mmmmm...bacon.

Posted by: TheCindy | January 23, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

sams3 yoiu didn't see the birds going after other coaches before they picked their HC.

Posted by: jm220 | January 23, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Forgot about Key Lime!

I second the thought about finding out what kind of pie Zorn likes. Matter of fact, let's find out what kind of pie all of the canidates like. Then we'll have better criteria to base this HC search on!

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna go ahead and put my vote in for coconut creme.

But since Zorn is a Seattle guy, I'm gonna say he's up for whatever they're serving at Starbucks. Something like Super Moca Chunk Delight Low Fat Skim Latte Pie.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I just love that everytime a new name is mentioned, someone plays Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon with them.

Posted by: suzannepdc | January 23, 2008 02:50 PM

how did we go from pie to bacon? the only swine here is Cerrato.

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn is fun to say.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 23, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Fruit pies? Bah! Cream pies? Ugh!

Quiche rules!

Posted by: tafka | January 23, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Bacon was great divider up here. You were either for or against it. Now pie on the other hand!

sween, I sent that link home. I'll definitely be making that soon. Maybe this weekend.

FYI, I'm pro bacon and pro pie.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Any headcoach will want to have his own staff. Danny isn't trying to hire one person, but a complete package here.

It is a tough job. He has to see who is available and willing. He won't hire a head coach without knowing that a complete staff can be assembled. That's why it's taking so long.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I thought the head coach picked his coaching staff and not the owner. The Danny is an idiot.

Posted by: ftlmikeflorida | January 23, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

What's that? Kevin Bacon is being interviewed?

Posted by: solong_430 | January 23, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

What if we chose the next head coach through a pie-eating contest?? The heck with all this interviewing...pie, pie, pie...

On a side note, I'm also partial to a fresh picked, fresh out of the oven, apple pie...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 23, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

well, guess we can quit hoping for anything today... no way we get an announcement now with the Zorn Dawg having steaks with the Dan tonight.

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"Mmmmm...bacon."

Posted by: TheCindy | January 23, 2008 02:52 PM

"how did we go from pie to bacon?"

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 02:54 PM

We never left the pie.

http://www.recipesource.com/main-dishes/breakfast/bacon-pie.html

Now all we need is the root beer.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bacon+pie

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

You usually don't interview OC without KNOWING who the HC is ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Are Fossil and Zorn scientologists?!

Posted by: drbatchelor | January 23, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Boston Cream for me. Which, of course, isn't a pie but a cake. Somehow, that seems to fit in The Danny's world, though...where up is down and black is white and Deion is still Prime Time...

Posted by: gr8day4bsbll | January 23, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"Bacon was great divider up here. You were either for or against it. Now pie on the other hand!"

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 02:56 PM

I'm a uniter, not a divider.

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Is quiche pie? I love bacon quiche. If it is a pie then I'd be able to combine my love for pie and bacon! The world would definitely be a happier place for me. Not my arteries, just me.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

One comment somes it all up:

"Are we there yet?!?"

Posted by: JoeyV | January 23, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Matthew McConaughey was a pretty good coach in "We Are Marshall." They should hire him. He'd be fun. Especially if he brought the bongos with him.

Posted by: TheCindy | January 23, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I did swine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zorn

And I'm guessing that Flapjacks would win any pie eating contest easy.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

maybe this isn't all Danny's fault. what if Greggggg said that he wants to keep Al. Danny wants to make a change there obviously. maybe Danny really wanted to hire Gregg but it didn't work out. who really knows.

this was a bad team last year that happened to use ST's death as a rally cry. they weren't that good. i think with that perspective you really have to view what the coaches were really getting out of the players.

Posted by: tenniz | January 23, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

The smartest thing you will ever read on this blog:

Bad management can screw up anything

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Got to remember folks: this is my cousin Vinny's team now. Don't think he isn't calling a lot of the shots right now.

If Williams takes the job at this point, he's crazier than a pet raccon!

Posted by: Soups1 | January 23, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

There ya go. And we could run the Veer. Wouldn't even need an OC.

Posted by: drbatchelor | January 23, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

One comment sums it all up:

"Are we there yet?!?"

Posted by: JoeyV | January 23, 2008 02:58 PM

Whereas a different comment would spin out of control:

"Is the bacon pie ready yet?!??!"

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys hired their OC before the head coach last year and that seemed to work out pretty well.

I think we should be happy that Danny is taking his time. Rather than rushing out and hiring another Spurrier. Whether it's a coach you or I want or not, we should want Danny to choose a coach that he trusts. The last thing we need is a coach that is on a short leash from the day he is hired.

Posted by: CMoney1 | January 23, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh no! Management screwed up the pies!! Now how will we decide the HC search if not with a pie eating contest?

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The offense has been the problem for years, not the defense.

Al's in hot water now? Wasn't he brought here to fix that stagnant offense?

The only time the offense clicked was when Collins was QB'ing and the WR corps was a little healthier.

Irony: If Saunders gets fired, it will be after 2 years at OC--just like Fassel in 2006!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 23, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Bacon was great divider up here. You were either for or against it.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 02:56 PM

Against bacon? That's crazy talk.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 23, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

If we're going with movie coaches then I'm putting Denzel on the "To Hire" list. After that comes Al Pacino.

No way does pretty boy McConaughy make my top 10.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

dcsween : both have there pluses and minuses. Bacon Pie has lots of pluses including pants sizes.

Posted by: JoeyV | January 23, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Does anything surprise you guys anymore?

SERIOSULY.... WTF is going on?

Next, they will indeed be hiring Richard Simmons or Billy Blanks (Tae Bo dude) for Assistant Coach-Head Trainer...

That actually might be one of the best ideas yet!!!

Posted by: EinVB | January 23, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Against bacon? That's crazy talk.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 23, 2008 03:02 PM

There was considerable resistance to adding bacon to different things. Now bacon on it's own is probably universally loved.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Now I'm remembering Nate's Maple Bacon Doughnut of yore.

Where's Nate and where did he find that legendary porcine confection?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or do any of you get scared every time Jasno or others update this blog!

Posted by: wonderlandinstallers | January 23, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Denzel?! It would be just like Danny boy to hire a high school coach.

Posted by: drbatchelor | January 23, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

quiche = savory pie

as opposed to the fruit and cream types, which are sweet pies

Posted by: tafka | January 23, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

980 continues to report that Jim Fassell will be named as Head Coach today or tomorrow.

I think Snyder wants Cowher but he will not be available until next season so he is hiring a "patsie" to be the fall guy. Will fire him at the end of next season and go after Cowher.

Williams is no "patsie". Stupid, stupid Snyder!!!

Posted by: Lisa | January 23, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"Against bacon? That's crazy talk."

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 23, 2008 03:02 PM

Homer Simpson: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Lisa, honey, are you saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon?

Lisa Simpson: No.

Homer Simpson: Ham?

Lisa Simpson: No.

Homer Simpson: Pork chops?

Lisa Simpson: Dad! Those all come from the same animal!

Homer Simpson: [Chuckles] Yeah, right Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

OUCH! I stepped on a Zorn...

Posted by: Gltek01 | January 23, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

No longer scared, Numb to it all... because its so dumb.... almost like this comments: Super Bowl Bound Next Year! Sigh...

Posted by: JoeyV | January 23, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

wonderlandinstallers,
You're not alone. I shivered when I launched this morning.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or do any of you get scared every time Jasno or others update this blog!

Posted by: wonderlandinstallers | January 23, 2008 03:03 PM

I'd like for Jasno to make a bacon pie and post on it's progress and how it tasted. that way I wouldn't have to be scared of HC news.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Now I actually like this move if Saunders is to go...Zorn I think would be a good O-cord. Most ex-QBs are regardless of starting or not...but Zorn would be a good choice. But that basically says Saunders is GONE. I don't know what to think really...After sleeping on Fassil ..I'm not as down onit as I was when I first heard yesterday...It could be worse...at least he has had success....and I noticed a few posts calling JF soft...I don't see that...He was always firery in his conferences included being all mad and making that guarantee they would make the playoofs and the players responded and they did...anycase..there are worse choices out there....I mean GW definitely does not have the good track record. I was never sold on GW...My heart wants it but my brain says no..SO NATION...PUT ON YOUR SEAT BELT..GIBBS HAS LEFT AND THE OFFSEASON HAS BEGUN. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN LOL RIDE LIKE THE WIND BABY! LOL

Posted by: leevi98 | January 23, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | January 23, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

so i guess the big question now is:

what team are we all going to root for in 2008?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 23, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

MY GOD why are all of you so stuck on Williams? I don't get it? As a D cord..he was up and down...and as a head coach he was AWFUL...Why is he Jesus all of a sudden....I'm leaning more towards new blood...I mean in the last four years did we win a SB? DId we even come close? NO! The last four years were inconsisant at best....I have a change of heart..I do not want williams we need new blood

Posted by: leevi98 | January 23, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

i guess the million dollar question is would zorn be oc for GDub or the fossil?

im kinda partial to American Pie...which is just like Warm Apple Pie...

of course there is always hair pie...which i think was booger's favorite in revenge of the nerds...

Posted by: deadskin | January 23, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Bacon cheeseburger cake!

http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Bacon-Cheeseburger-Cake/Detail.aspx

Posted by: 4-12 | January 23, 2008 03:08 PM

I got all excited and realized it's just a cake. No bacon at all. Looks pretty cool though. Good find.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Jason, thanks for posting the blog. keep the good work. Reading the above blog messages, Skin fans are frustrated by
the hiring process. I have to agree with
them, we have no power in hiring, but we
can voice our opinions. I guess these past
9 years of the Redskins, they are still
rebuilding the program. must be using
the long-term approach. Good Luck!

Posted by: madalao | January 23, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh and before some rebut with the players and coaches want him...BLAH OF COURSE THEY DO THEY WANT TO KEEP THEIR JOBS! They know they will with Williams...The players just want to not have to learn new systems...so boo freakin whoo

Posted by: leevi98 | January 23, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is applying the new definition of stability and continuity... complete chaos. Buh-bye Saunders, buh-bye Williams, buh-bye countless other assistants and underlings. Blow it up, start over, nothing means anything, it's time for a new run of retreads.

Posted by: evwill | January 23, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

What there is a debate over bacon are you people insane!! Thats it I am done with this blog, selling my season tickets to blogging....I am gonna eat nothing but bacon until some people realize its the perfect food..

AGAIN WE NEED A GENERAL MANAGER OF FOOD CONSUMPTION UP HERE!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm rooting for the Washington Whatchamacallits? But then I root for them every year.

Posted by: JoeyV | January 23, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Can turkey bacon really be called bacon?

Posted by: NCICURN | January 23, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, Matthew McConaughey is a Redskins fan. I remember seeing him interviewed during a game a few years back, and he declared his allegiance to the burgundy and gold.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 23, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

This is insane! When is Snyder going to put this issue to rest... for the other coaches, players and, for God's sake, the fans!

This whole thing is embarrassing...

Posted by: psummers | January 23, 2008 02:38 PM

No, what's embarrassing is reading this blog and seeing comments like the one above from people who have absolutely no idea what is going on nor any clue whether these rumors are true or not.

Please, for the love of God, will you people get a grip for one second! Know your roles, and shut your mouths (or shut your laptops). Let the professions who are in charge do their jobs, and let this whole process play itself out without offering your ill-informed moronic opinions.

NONE OF US--I REPEAT, NONE OF US--HAS ANY CLUE ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON. SO STOP RUSHING TO CONCLUSIONS AND ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THE FOLKS IN CHARGE WHAT IS BEST FOR THIS FRANCHISE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT.

Posted by: barno | January 23, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

gibbs came out of nowhere the last time, when we were interviewing fassel, rhodes and dennis green... please sign that blank check to Bill Cowher.

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Can turkey bacon really be called bacon?

Posted by: NCICURN | January 23, 2008 03:12 PM


Yes, for us non - pork eaters. Turkey Bacon Rocks!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 23, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

my vote
HC - Pumpkin pie (has to be custard)
OC - pecan pie (because you have to be a bit nutty)
DC - Sweet potatoe pie (gotta have the roots on defense)

side note - anyone see the Good Eats pocket pie episode (my mouth waters just thinking about curried mango pocket pies)

http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_32305,00.html

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 23, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to go with a quiche is an offshoot of a pie. Kind of like a rogue splinter group. I love quiche, I love bacon cheddar quiche, and I love pie of all kind.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 23, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

What I want to know is how many people on this blog have Hail to the Redskins on their Ipod?

I've got the mini-mini so it comes up about once a day.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Good post Barno!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 23, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

barno, would you rather have pie or bacon? Better yet, no bacon for you. Your blood pressure seems to a little high. Yep, you need some pie. A little something to put a smile on that face!

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Please, for the love of God, will you people get a grip for one second! Know your roles, and shut your mouths (or shut your laptops). Let the professions who are in charge do their jobs, and let this whole process play itself out without offering your ill-informed moronic opinions. - barno

My-my, isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? - Peace

Posted by: JoeyV | January 23, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

LIONS TO PART WAYS WITH ROGERS

The Detroit Free Press reports that the Lions will part ways with veteran defensive tackle Shaun Rogers.

Per the Free Press, Rogers will be traded or released.

Rogers, a second-round pick in 2001, is signed through 2010, at salaries of $4.25 million, $5.25 million, and $7 million over the next three years, respectively.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 23, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I have it on my ,I pod laptop, desk top, and my car horn!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 23, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

There's an old Tennessee dish that I forget the name of that is like a layer of bread, then a layer of cheese, then a layer of bacon, repeated like 7 times. I'd say that's both the best and worst pie you can buy.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I think I'm going to let the professional journalists update us with information as it happens. I'm no longer going to criticize them because they're at the Park, talking to sources I don't have, and, really, what do I know about writing a lede and earning a byline?

That's what I'm going to do.

And eat lots of quiche and pie.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 23, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

is cheese cake a cake or a pie? It has cake in the name but it always seemed very pie-esque to me.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 23, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I like biug pie

Posted by: fawcett007 | January 23, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

HTTR on my ipod, laptop and desktop. Plus my 3 yr old son knows the lyrics by heart. What a good kid!

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

So will this mean a switch to the west coast offense? What would the skins have to upgrade to do that (WR, OL, FB)??

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 23, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

sheidt99, you just described Heaven. A little slice of Heaven.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 23, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for your input Barno. While I certainly don't have a professional opinion on the matter, I do pay a good bit of respect to the true professionals out there that have won countless Super Bowls, playoff games, and Divisional championships who continue to comment that the situation in Washington is "amusing".

Posted by: drbatchelor | January 23, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Ok not the car horn but that would have been cool right?

Posted by: leevi98 | January 23, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

We can all use bacon wrapped, cheese whiz filled, deep fried hot dogs!

http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/post_135

Posted by: 4-12 | January 23, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"Know your roles, and shut your mouths"

spoken like a true fascist, nice work Barno. Wasn't Snyder just a rich fan? Dontcha think 12 years ago he was screaming about what he would do and than thought "hey i have the cash to buy this sucka and run nit myself" so whats the diff family fcker?

And so what if people spout off it there right, its fun, go take your thought police law and order poop somewhere else tool bag.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to say that cheesecake doesn't have flour in it, therefore it is not a cake. I have no idea what to make of flourless cakes, though. Maybe that's a new thing that scientists have yet to name.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 23, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Next season with new blood the Skins might not have that midseason melt down we ahave seen for 4 years straight and have to win 200 games to get into the playoffs....

Posted by: leevi98 | January 23, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me with pumpkin pie? Thats a 4th rate pie at best. Apple, Blueberry, heck, how about mince-meat pie?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 23, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

IS EVERYBODY HAPPY????!!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 23, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Pumpkin Pie was a saint! Don't you disparage her like that!

Posted by: PDiddy | January 23, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

you've never tasted my pumpkin pie!

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 23, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmm, boy.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

OMG, I totes forgot that McConaughey is a Redskins fan. Perfect hire if he can get Matthew Fox as an assistant.

Posted by: TheCindy | January 23, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

TRACKING THE REDSKINS WITH THE BEAT REPORTER.

Below are updates on the Redskins coaching search from Washington Post's Redskins beat reporter Jason La Canfora. Stay tuned for more updates as we get closer to the end of the search.

"Redskins are interviewing Seattle Qb coach Jim Zorn for an offensive coordinator position. This continues to jibe with what I have heard through this process about Al Saunders possibly being in hot water." Beat Reporter, January 23

"I keep hearing that Jim Fassel is in a great position to get this job" -Beat Reporter, January 22

"Gregg Williams is by far the leading candidate for this job." -Beat Reporter, January 12


"Bill Cowher fits the bill for what Snyder would be attracted to" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"former Baltimore DC Rex Ryan would replace Gregg Williams if it goes down this way" -Beat Reporter, January 22

"The Redskins have still said nothing to Williams and the rest of the coaches and all signs pointing to Fassel." -Beat Reporter, January 22

"This franchise went from 900 million to 1.5 billion since Gibbs came here in 2004. That's the bottom line here. Snyder is not gonna give the head coaching job to someone that doesn't have that big name, that sex appeal, who is not going to help him sell club level seats, and expensive suites." -Beat Reporter, January 8

"I Need A Job Where I Can Just Make Things Up And Create The News" -Beat Reporter, January 21

"In an era of rampant speculation I am being as careful as I can." -Beat Reporter, January 21

"For all of the yapping about continuity and stability, sure sounds like a blood-letting is upon us. Owner Dan Snyder was given multiple opportunities to endorse an in-house candidate, and specifically Gregg Williams, and declined to do so." -Beat Reporter, January 8

"Jim Fassel, former Giants coach and Baltimore assistant, could be getting a look." -Beat Reporter, January 21

"Cowher fits the bill for what Snyder would be attracted to. Now, as I mentioned earlier Cowher would want full roster and personnel control and probably want to bring some of his own people in as well" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"Cowher is off the market...He knows the kind of $$$ Snyder spends and he is not wavering in his stance" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"I'd be stunned if the Skins don't reach out to Cowher soon" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"If it's Gregg Williams, the process will be over in 3-5 days" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"Several NFL sources said that they took the identification of Schwartz as a candidate as another sign that Williams, who the players strongly support, does not appear to be the front runner." -Beat Reporter, January 10

"It doesn't come off as a great sign that they bring in Williams's former assistant, obviously" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"We've just started this process. It's the first interview of many. We need to slow down. It's impossible to see the entire picture right now. It's a fluid situation and this isn't free agency - you don't hire every guy you bring into town." -Beat Reporter, January 10

"I thought he and Gibbs could have sent a much stronger message about the validity of their in house people as candidates at the press conference" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"Wouldn't it be an indictment of this entire Joe Gibbs 2.0 era if Snyder went through the process then handed it over to someone with little-to-no head coaching experience - without at least talking to the in-house guys first" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"Greg Williams will most definitely be a part of the process and, as I posted earlier, he is expected to interview at the end of the cycle, likely the final interview." -Beat Reporter, January 11

"But to this point I do not have anything firm enough to meet the Post's standards" -Beat Reporter, January 12

"It would really be something to have none of Gibbs's guys even get an interview" -Beat Reporter, January 12

"the consensus I keep coming to is Williams is the guy" -Beat Reporter, January 12

"Got an email from one of those on-line casinos with the odds for the next coach of the Skins. It's notable for what it doesn't say more than what it does:

Gregg Williams - 2/1
The Field - 2/1
Bill Cowher - 5/1
Al Saunders - 5/1
Brian Billick - 6/1
Jason Garrett - 9/1
Mike Singletary - 12/1
Rex Ryan - 12/1
Jim Caldwell - 15/1

So, basically, Vegas has no idea at this point" -Beat Reporter, January 9

Posted by: barno | January 23, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Pumpkin Pie is my great midnight mistress.

Posted by: JoeyV | January 23, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Smile we do have 3 SB titles and two of our QBs have been voted in the top 20 as alltime best QBs in SB history with 1 being #3 and the other #20 :)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/news/story?id=3204599

Posted by: leevi98 | January 23, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Cheesecake is a category all it's own. Just look at how many types of cheesecake there are. Insane.

Greg, I'll give you apple and blueberry even though I don't like them but pumpkin has to rank above mince-meat.

Lemon Merengue, made this back in middle school. Not a great pie but it looks pretty cool.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

sween,

Thanks for the pig related simpsons quote... reminded me of the "Adam and Eve" parallel they did where a pig with a top hat and a monocle plopped down next to homer in Eden and let Homer peel his succulent underside right off!

Also, the pie talk reminds me of when Marge left Homer alone in the kitchen with a pie to check on a fighting Bart/Lisa shabingus and Homer talking to the pie...

"All right pie, I'm going to go like this (chomping his mouth) and if you get in the way its your own fault."
(Homer hits his head on the stove and starts to yell and stops briefly)
"Ah what the heck"
(eats the pie)

Posted by: Dorf | January 23, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

If they are going to blow it up then they should go after a young coach. Not some old coach that been fired twice in the last three years. WTF!!!

Posted by: jm220 | January 23, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

OMG, I totes forgot that McConaughey is a Redskins fan.

Posted by: TheCindy | January 23, 2008 03:21 PM

He's from Texas though. I think that disqualifies him automatically.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 23, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to take pumpkin pie out for a nice seafood dinner and then never call her again.

BCB, I'll see your pumpkin pie, and raise you a peach cobbler....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 23, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

It's from Kentucky and called a "Hot Brown".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Brown

The picture looks nothing like the time I had it. I'm not kidding when I say there were 7 layers of cheese and bacon.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Fossil is a spring chicken. He post-dates all other fossils by millions of years.

Posted by: drbatchelor | January 23, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

my fave,

hair pie

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Pumpkin Pie is my great midnight mistress.

Posted by: JoeyV | January 23, 2008 03:21 PM


How about Strawberry Shortcake as a midnight mistress?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Barno, If you have hate in your heart brother, let it out!

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Can you believe the Redskins' new coach is going to be a guy who got shown the door after his interview for the OC job at KC!

how emberassing is that...

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Barno - I know this may surprise you, but, you know, more than just the weather changes over the course of 10 days.

Now settle down and eat some pie or a Kentucky Hot Brown or something.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"...After sleeping on Fassil ..I'm not as down on it as I was when I first heard yesterday...It could be worse..."

Posted by: leevi98 | January 23, 2008 03:08 PM

See? Isn't the blog kind of like therapy? [Based on your 3:10pm rant, however, bipolarism may be present. This is 180% different from where you were coming from yesterday about selling your season tickets if they hired Fassel ... only at 3:10 you were even more adamant.]

Note to Dorf: "Ooooooo ... floor pie!"

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

you know what - all you people talking about cheesecakes and casaroles should all go start a blog on the Food Network!!

www.foodnetwork.com

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

MY GOD why are all of you so stuck on Williams? I don't get it? As a D cord..he was up and down...and as a head coach he was AWFUL...Why is he Jesus all of a sudden....I'm leaning more towards new blood...I mean in the last four years did we win a SB? DId we even come close? NO! The last four years were inconsisant at best....I have a change of heart..I do not want williams we need new blood

Posted by: leevi98 | January 23, 2008 03:10 PM

leevi98, Barno, I have to disagree. The problem is, the last 4 years were better than the previous 12.

Other than pulling off the surprise of bringing a HOF Skins coach out of retirement, there wasn't much to cheer about from this franchise in those 12 years. And what's going on now looks a helluva lot like what was going on for 12 years after the first time Gibbs retired. Been there done that. The results were NOT good.

So far, none of the candidate trotted out so far have any advantage over Williams. Fassel's Superbowl visit is easily balanced by his complete lack of success since then.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 23, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

i'm personally a fan of the sheppards pie. all that goodness mashed into a bowl...

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Know your roles, and shut your mouths"

spoken like a true fascist, nice work Barno. Wasn't Snyder just a rich fan? Dontcha think 12 years ago he was screaming about what he would do and than thought "hey i have the cash to buy this sucka and run nit myself" so whats the diff family fcker?

And so what if people spout off it there right, its fun, go take your thought police law and order poop somewhere else tool bag.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2008 03:18 PM

ChrisLarry once again demonstrates his constipation of the brain and diarrhea of the mouth. Chrislarry has both A) never heard of world famous wrestler The Rock; and B) wouldn't know a "Fascist" from a doorknob.

"Fascist" is a favorite insult of choice from many bed-wetting liberals, most of whom don't even know what the word means.

Posted by: barno | January 23, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Jason appreciate all the updates cuz its obvious we get no updates from our horrible front office and we have no idea with what is going on with our franchise...basically if fassel is brought in and all these changes occur your saying joe gibbs 2nd stint was bs and all for nothing and that danny the little rich nerd snyder has lied to all of redskin nation about 'continuity.' It is a shame as a franchise and diehard fans that we have to go through this nonsense over and over. It is hard for me to say that I won't pay for season tickets and all bogus ass prices that snyder makes us pay cuz I live and die with my team, but I am getting to the point where it is making me sick. If we don't hire Gregg Williams as the head coach lets get ready for a completely new team, new offense, new defense, a whole new group of core players, and lets get ready for alot of top 10 draft picks....just what danny boy loves offseason limelight...

Posted by: cgass21 | January 23, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Know your roles, and shut your mouths...

...let this whole process play itself out without offering your ill-informed moronic opinions.

SO STOP RUSHING TO CONCLUSIONS AND ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THE FOLKS IN CHARGE WHAT IS BEST FOR THIS FRANCHISE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT.

Posted by: barno | January 23, 2008 03:12 PM

Wow... just, wow.

Did RI just become a police state or something?
Did "the ownership" just revoke the right of lawful assembly?

Seriously Barno, you have NO evidence that the people who are in charge know best, you're just hoping that. I hope you're right too, but only time will tell. Regardless though, the customers are entitled to their opinion, as always.

Are you contrarian by nature or perhaps what my Father rather 'charmingly' used to describe as someone "who likes to stir the shti"? Maybe you really see it as your calling to save everyone from their foolishness and mayhem? No matter, abusing people who don't conform to your world view isn't a good way of getting them to see your point.

If the views expressed on this blog are that distressing to you perhaps you should take a break until everything blows over?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 23, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Barno forgot my "Great quotes of Pro Wrestlers" book at home today...

"Bed wetting liberals" I will take as a compliment from the likes of you ditto head...and that wetness my man is baby juice!

Oh yeah!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 23, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

big_money - what else is there to do but worry about the skins and dream about pie?

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 23, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I see your Peach Cobbler and...well that's a classic. One of the big ones. But I'll still take a banana cream pie out for a spin once in while. Delightfully simple.

The HC search is becoming mind-numbing and I can't say I have a better opinion that the FO. But, since a OC is interviewing, I'm guessing it's almost over. I wouldn't be happy with Fassel as I'm not impressed with him. GW I'd like but I'll still root for the laundry.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Big_Money20,
The food talk may appear random at first, but upon close inspection patterns begin to emerge.

(We're all debating food as a proxy for head coach hand wringing. We're exhausted from loss of sleep. My reference to Shortcake, for example, has nothing to do with food.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Is Snyder smoking and not sharing?

Posted by: kurdekars | January 23, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

From the movie "True Romance" ... with lead characters played by Patricia Arquette and Christian Slater ...

Her: "When I see a really good movie I really like to go out and get some pie, and talk about it. Would you like to get some pie with me?"

Him: "I would love to get some pie."

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"I can't wait to see what Davo and others who have posted similar idiotic comments this week and last will say next Tuesday afternoon when Gregg Williams is introduced as the new head coach of the Washington Redskins."

Posted by: barno | January 18, 2008 10:45 PM

"Mission Accomplished"

by: President Bush on May 1, 2003


Wow. Just...Wow.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 23, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

just heard on the radio that skins will announce jim fassell as their HC tomorrow.

also on a related note Fossil watches have been contacted by snyder to work out a skins watch deal.

would you like a skins fossil watch?

Posted by: dealer | January 23, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

My theory is that Gregg was Snyder's first choice. He tried to seal the deal -- over four meetings -- but Gregg overplayed his hand making demands that Snyder couldn't agree to. Thus the four meetings -- to try to reach a compromise.

What was the sticking point? Maybe control over the coordinator positions. Maybe personnel control. Maybe money. Who knows?

A lot of what has gone on since then has been designed to get Gregg to back down -- Mora's the one; Fassel's the one; Meeks thrilled us. Etc. But, at some point Snyder will have to go with his second choice. He's given Gregg plenty of time to think it through and Gregg has to either "fish or that-other thing."

Just a theory.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 23, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Big_Money20,
The food talk may appear random at first, but upon close inspection patterns begin to emerge.
Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 03:34 PM

Fine! Then I bring this to the table...
http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_29636,00.html


Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

So if you have a good QB coach this means that Fossil's strength is mitigated.

All signs point to Grilliams, quickly everyone jump on the it's 100% Williams job and Fassel is out bandwagon.

Oh Danny why do you play with my emotions.

Posted by: Skinz | January 23, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Fascist" is a favorite insult of choice from many bed-wetting liberals, most of whom don't even know what the word means.

Posted by: barno | January 23, 2008 03:30 PM

Pretty intense, but the term bed-wetting liberals is kind of funny.

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

" ... If the views expressed on this blog are that distressing to you perhaps you should take a break until everything blows over?"

Posted by: Redcoat | January 23, 2008 03:32 PM

There is no possible way for me to step away from this now ... we're in too deep ... and need to focus on the matter at hand ... pie. With beer.

BigMoney20, Bacon Cheddar Meatloaf with pork AND veal! Dude! You win!

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse


Snyder will hire all the staff secretly, blindfold them all, and place them in a dark conference room at Redskins Park and switch on the lights.

"Walla! Everyone, meet your co-workers!!!"

Good luck.

Posted by: the_squire | January 23, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, this makes sense.

Fassel - Head Coach, but would also replace Saunders acting as OC.

Zorn - Offensive Coordinator, but has no practical NFL OC experience (short period in college at Utah in 90's). Rather, he's a QB Position Coach. So, hiring him as OC eliminates hassles with lateral move compensation, puts two hands (Zorn & Fassel) on Jason Campbell for development. Also, gives Fassel a puppet in the booth for play calling during games. With a new QB-PC and new OC, Campbell & the offense will be going through another learning curve.

Ryan - Defensive Coordinator and Vinny's goombatz. Since this is a lateral move, draft compensation will be due the Ravens. But who needs draft selections? Ryan's big challenge will either be re-casting our 4-3 into his 3-4 vision or converting his own schemes to suit our talent. Either way, someone is going to be going through another learning curve.

Welcome to your new Washington Redskins Redux. New faces, same old results.

Posted by: skins.sox01 | January 23, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

ChrisLarry once again demonstrates his constipation of the brain and diarrhea of the mouth. Chrislarry has both A) never heard of world famous wrestler The Rock; and B) wouldn't know a "Fascist" from a doorknob.

"Fascist" is a favorite insult of choice from many bed-wetting liberals, most of whom don't even know what the word means.

Posted by: barno | January 23, 2008 03:30 PM

Sorry Barno, as someone from "the world" i.e. not just the US, I have to enlighten you for once. Muhammad Ali is world fanous, The Rock is not.

Secondly I believe it's easy to tell a fascist from a doorknob, one is a tool for opening doors (very useful) and the other could be described as "an authoritarian political idealogue that considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party or society as a whole. The key attribute of fascists is an intolerance of others. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, and opposition to political and economic liberalism."

I think cHriSlARRy called it pretty well on you. I was hoping that you really were just arguing intellectually for the heck of it but it seems you're not. Shame.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 23, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

BigMoney20 definitely wins. God, that's brilliant.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 23, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

There is no possible way for me to step away from this now ... we're in too deep ... and need to focus on the matter at hand ... pie. With beer.

BigMoney20, Bacon Cheddar Meatloaf with pork AND veal! Dude! You win!

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 03:43 PM

THANK YOU

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"I can't wait to see what Davo and others who have posted similar idiotic comments this week and last will say next Tuesday afternoon when Gregg Williams is introduced as the new head coach of the Washington Redskins."

Posted by: barno | January 18, 2008 10:45 PM

"Mission Accomplished"

by: President Bush on May 1, 2003


Wow. Just...Wow.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 23, 2008 03:36 PM

I was wrong about Gregg Williams being hired by Tuesday, this is true. However, I don't believe I need to admit being wrong about Williams being hired seeing as no head coach announcement has as of yet been made.

As for your insinuation that President Bush claimed "mission accomplished" please provide me that direct quote from one of his speeches. As far as I know, that was a quote from a banner placed on an aircraft carrier not by the president nor his people, but by the military. If you wish to badmouth the military, please don't insinuate nor beat around the bush (no pun intended). That's just cowardly.

Posted by: barno | January 23, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

" ... If the views expressed on this blog are that distressing to you perhaps you should take a break until everything blows over?"

Posted by: Redcoat | January 23, 2008 03:32 PM

There is no possible way for me to step away from this now ... we're in too deep ... and need to focus on the matter at hand ... pie. With beer.

BigMoney20, Bacon Cheddar Meatloaf with pork AND veal! Dude! You win!

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 03:43 PM

Dude, don't leave. THESE ARE BASIC FREEDOMS!... I'm stayin'...finishin' my coffee.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Hello everyone longtime reader first time poster. I agree that the logical choice if GG. I also think that something of a shakeup is needed. Is it Fossil don't know but as a long time fan I just hope that the decision that Snyder makes is one that he sticks with for at least 6 yrs and see how it all pans out. Maybe just a little bit of trust in your decisions from the owner and his pet would be just what the team needs with no big splash. Also, coconut creme pie is the best of the all.

Posted by: Bigfish | January 23, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Now I need an apron.

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

PS...

I prefer Hair Pie

Posted by: the_squire | January 23, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

My take. The Skins were very competitive against the best teams in the NFC. They were in it, on the road, against all 4 NFC division winners. They beat the NFC champs on the road -- in a game they needed.

They played very hard down a tough stretch, with no fluke wins, against teams that were above average.

They have a young and promising QB who has learned a lot, but has a few more steps to take. They had a terrible time with injuries last year.

They have bonded as a team, as much as any team I've ever seen. They are strongly behind one guy for HC.

OK, so is this a team you blow up, or is this a group you ride with. To me, I think you ride with these guys. They were close to being a very good team. And they know they can be a very good team.

So my question is this. Do you blow it up for Fassel?

For Cowher, maybe. But for Fassel? That is sick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

[sarcasm on]
I'm confident that ex-Giant Super Bowl coach Fassel will be able to take the Skins just as far as ex-Cowboy OC (with his 2 Super Bowl rings!) Norv Turner!!!

If The Dan hires "Norv" Fassel, here's to 7 years of pure fun!

[sarcasm off]

Posted by: Alan4 | January 23, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I would not worry who is the coach if Vinny is back to running things.

The only way we are to have any chance if they hire a real front office dude. They might but as it stands this is not goooood. We have reason to dispair.

Stupid no nothing Gibbs haters. This is what you get. You are like the Obama lovers, change change change, who cares to what.

Posted by: mul | January 23, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

If you wish to badmouth the military, please don't insinuate nor beat around the bush (no pun intended). That's just cowardly.

Posted by: barno | January 23, 2008 03:46 PM

I repeat.

Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, and opposition to political and economic liberalism.

If the shoe fits Barno, wear it proudly!!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 23, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

bcb, I'll see your banan cream, and raise you some apple crisp, which, while technically not pie, is still yummy...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 23, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I know - they want Zorn because they want to trade for Michael Vick, and figure Vick will need a LEFT-HANDED former NFL QB AS OC to mentor him to greatness. In fact, trade fir Vick, keep Brunnell, cut Campbell and Portis, and re-sign Ernest Byner, and you can have an all-lefty backfield.

Posted by: jaypem | January 23, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm ready to follow BigMoney20's lead ... move forward from pies ... and onto meat loafs. Waddya say, Coach BigMoney20, where do we go next? [with beer]

[and where is that swingin soul, Nate?]

Also, I feel a new thread coming on ... feels like a press release ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

do you all remember the careerbuilder.com commercial with the office workers competing in a gladiator type competition? I'm having this mad vision that that is what the Snyd is doing with our coaching job. And to the winner goes the right to name the official Redskin's pie.

Maybe it's just the sugar talking.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 23, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

The fun thing about SportsTalk 980 is that their secret source is...this blog! They'll be reporting Jim Zorn real soon now, so stay tuned.

Posted by: Burgundy | January 23, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder should seriously give fantasy football a try for a few years before screwing around with a (formerly) real NFL team!

Posted by: brianpike | January 23, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Where's Skippy when we need him to settle the pie contest?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 23, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I've never heard of a corporate job search taking two weeks!! Absolute ABSOLUTE madness!!! Imagine Poor Prince Grilliams cooling his heels by the throne for a whole TWO WEEKS! The pity, the shame, the laughter of other teams' illustrious scouts, &c. &c.

Posted by: cpascopr | January 23, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Barno, the White House actually did get the Mission Accomplished banner printed up ... just trying to keep the history straight

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Z

Maybe blowing it up is something that I think does not need to be done. Maybe a change in Philospy yes! I am not sure that Campbell can run Al's offense but maybe bring some one in to taylor their offense to campbell.

Posted by: Bigfish | January 23, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

BigFish! You knucklehead, where you been?

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised Danny Boy hasn't tried to convince Pepper Rodgers to come out of retirement.

Posted by: mgonter | January 23, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Big News out of Ashburn VA Wed. Jan 23:
The Redskins will be holding a press conference to announce the selection of the new Head Coach. The exact date and time of the announcement has yet to be determined.

Posted by: pat5387 | January 23, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

barno just went from "adorable little nuisance" to something else entirely.

Burgundy, that would actually be hilarious.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 23, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Turkey Meatloaf Sandwhiches.
http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_34654,00.html

Eventhough this is gay, I'm kind of enjoying this...

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to have to abscond from the meat loaf talk. I don't eat that stuff so I really have no frame of reference.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 23, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Stuff I was raised on.

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/food/pies.htm

If you want pies, come to Britain. My former country's byline is "Pies? We got 'em!".

Basically anything that can be minced up - whether it ought to or not - is fair game.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 23, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Does it make anyone else sick to their stomach thinking about Vinny's google eyes gazing over prospects, our cap figures, and ultimately our roster?

How about Snyder in the war room or scouting combine looking over 40 times? A 4.8 is good for a WR, right Vinny? Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls a Jerry Jones in that commerical and starts calling the plays next year.

Campbell and the rest of the players must be sick.

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 23, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

If they hold the press conference today, Danny and Vinny may get to see themselves on 'Inside the NFL' tonight.

Posted by: JoeyV | January 23, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Actually, a redskins pie would be a big seller. Anyone remember the Redskins ice cream from a few years back? (Maybe it still exists?)

Might be hard to get burgandy and gold in there but I can see something on the lines of a caramel and chocolate ice cream pie.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Question, if you are Fassel, why would you take this job? Other than the $$$ and that you need the job. And as cynical as any of us can be ... if its about the $$$, thats not the guy you want.

Because if Danny is cleaning house after making the playoffs (and with major injuries, close losses and your best player getting murdered), what is the bar for success?

Nope, it makes no sense to clean house right now.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to have to abscond from the meat loaf talk. I don't eat that stuff so I really have no frame of reference.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 23, 2008 03:52 PM

you're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie theater and wants to know...

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I heard a rumor that Vinny Cerrato wears clown shoes at the Park.

Posted by: jimwell | January 23, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Sween,

Never posted before was there a prior bigfish if so then I will change my ID to something else. I know how big a thing it was before the dreaded registration. I do not want people to think that I am him. Just let me know. Didn't recall anyone having that ID.

Posted by: Bigfish | January 23, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

If you really want Cowher, why not exercise that patience your mentor Joe Gibbs talked about, keep things the same, go with Gregg and the rest of the guy, and try to get a Super Bowl.

If things don't work out, well then you make these drastic changes, hopefully with Cowher.

it just doesn't make sense to do it now, after all that has happened and been said.

it's maddening.

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 23, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Mission Accomplished:

The White House claimed that the banner was requested by the crew of the ship, who did not have the facilities for producing such a banner. Afterwards, the administration and naval sources stated that the banner was the Navy's idea, White House staff members made the banner, and it was hung by the U.S. Navy personnel. White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN "We took care of the production of it. We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up."[5] According to John Dickerson of TIME magazine, the White House later conceded that they actually hung the banner but still insists it had been done at the request of the crew members.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Accomplished

Barno. Please eat some pie.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps this quote has greater meaning then when the coach uttered it.

"Forget the past - the future will give you plenty to worry about." - George Allen

I am worried. Very, very worried.

Posted by: erthdog | January 23, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

How about my Gregg Williams Meatloaf Special... check it out.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_34939,00.html

Man, I've just about forgotten about this coach thing... who would have ever thought the food netwrok was where it was at!

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

All, don't forget Gibbs is still advising so this may not be all Danny's doing.

Posted by: JoeyV | January 23, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Sween,

I'm not buying it for a minute. This Bigfish has Coyote Ugly written all over him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 23, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Something tells me it won't be long before the unannounced new HC of the Skins is fired...

Posted by: Alan4 | January 23, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

i hate humble pie.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Is Vinny in charge of the roster or the Rooster?? I certainly hope it is the rooster that goes to Johnny Rockets for their chicken sandwich!

Posted by: jimwell | January 23, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

As a former bed wetter and coming from a family heritage steeped in bed wetting, I am appalled that you would lump such honorable people with "liberals". Shame on you Barno!

CHrIsLarRy- did you have to mention baby juice while we were talking about pies and such?

Get along everyone! Get along!

Maps.

Posted by: Dorf | January 23, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

some people call it the sonny burger. i call it delicious.

Posted by: psps23 | January 23, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I had a bunch of issues with the 2007 Skins coaches and players. But the 2007 Skins were successful. Could Al Saunders done better with Campbell? Yes. Why did Santana Moss wait 10 games before showing up? Can't say for sure. Did Gibbs mismanage some games? Sure did.

But did this team play hard, play with pride and win some tough games against good teams? YESSSSS!!!!! Did they get to the playoffs? YESSSSSS!!!!! Did they improve, despite so many things going wrong during the season? YESSSSSS!!!!!! Were the Skins feared and respected at the end of the season? YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

If you take a good team that is respected and blow it up, it must work or you will never be respected (Vinny, Danny, that is directed at you).

Jim Fassel is not the guy you blow this up for.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

So Snyder has morphed into Jerry Jones and is now determining who will be on the coaches staff? I thought that most coaches enjoyed things like control of the roster and who their assistants were, but I guess if you've been out of the NFL for a few years you'll agree to anything to become a headcoach again.

Posted by: david | January 23, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Breaking

At a news conference today, Redskins owner Danny Snider both hired and fired Jim Fassel as coach of the Washington Redskins. He then resigned as owner, appointed Vinny Cerrato as the new owner, and took over the coaching reins saying, "how hard can it be. You just throw it around a little bit, run it, and hit people. It's football folks and I know football."

Later, new Head Coach - Pie, Danny Snider, was seen wolfing down an entire bacon cheeseburger pie.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I think all the goodwill Snyder built up during the Taylor tragedy will go out of the window if he hires a fossil.

Posted by: david | January 23, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

humble pie, can't even be saved with chocolate sauce, or even some Breyers ice cream...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 23, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I've been calling the George Michael Sports Machine Sports Hotline (202-363-4444) every 3-5 minutes since Gibbs retired, and after thousands of "this call cannot be completed as dialed" they just updated the recording!

The Redskins announce their new leadership:
Jim Fassel: Co-head coach: Quizno's
Doug Williams: Co-head coach: 2nd quarter comebacks
Michael Wilbon: Co-head coach: player slander

Long live the triumverate! But wait, there's more!

Gregg Williams: Asst Head Coach: Who wants to be a millionaire?
Al Saunders: Asst Head Coach: Todd Collins
Jim Schwartz: Asst Head Coach: The Middle Linebacker
Pepper Rodgers: Asst Head Coach: Owner Backrubs
Brian Billick: Asst Head Coach: Self Backrubs
Jim Zorn: O Coordinator: Passing Downs

Vinny Cerrato: Vice President of the Peter Principle
Dan Snyder: Puppetmaster

Posted by: minorthread | January 23, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest, reading your post aloud, I couldn't help but think of Cobra Commander. I don't know why. I was always more of a Snake Eyes guy, myself.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 23, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe after 4 meetings, GW realized he does not want to be the head coach (especially with no control). Maybe he will just stay as DC and the offense will rebuild.

I am praying that something good comes of all this.

xoxo

Posted by: SmallPen15 | January 23, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh the speculation!!! MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT STOP!

Posted by: JoeyV | January 23, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh the speculation!!! MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT STOP!

Posted by: JoeyV | January 23, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else have a vision of Danny and Vinny in a Miller Lite commercial, a la Steinbrenner and Billy Martin

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Tom Friend (ESPN) has reportedly posted stuff to the extremeskins board:

Okay, now that it's all coming out, I can tell you what I know.
Jim Zorn has emerged as the leading candidate to be Offensive Coordinator, ahead of John Ramsdell (Chargers QB coach) and Mike Shula (Jags QB coach).
Rex Ryan is a contract negotiation away from being D-Coordinator, and I'm assuming they'll outbid the Ravens for him.
The heirarchy wants to keep Byner, Bugel and Blache from the previous staff. All others are probably gone.
Snyder simply does not trust or mesh with Gregg Williams, and the debacle of '06 is what started that. The heirarchy felt Williams was arrogant, stubborn and not forthright that year, and another red flag was his horrible relationship with Ralph Wilson in Buffalo. It was too much for Williams to overcome. Just wasn't a good fit here.
------------------------------------
Since I posted, I hear it's mayhem again.
Snyder's interviewing Zorn without Fassel! Shouldn't your next coach be there?
Fassel is in Phoenix and knows nothing yet.
Rex Ryan also knows nothing yet.
They're leaving everyone hanging, and ships might sail, including Rex Ryan's. Snyder is apparently holding all this up. Does he go back to Williams? For the moment, it's in limbo again. For the moment.
----------------------------------

I have no way of knowing but people there vouch for this being him and reliable

Posted by: Burgundy | January 23, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Could the dark shrouds that Snyder's hiring process is hiding behind be the rings below Bram Weinstein's eyes?

Just a thought, my meatloaf is in the oven.

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Breaking

At a news conference today, Redskins owner Danny Snider both hired and fired Jim Fassel as coach of the Washington Redskins. He then resigned as owner, appointed Vinny Cerrato as the new owner, and took over the coaching reins saying, "how hard can it be. You just throw it around a little bit, run it, and hit people. It's football folks and I know football."

Later, new Head Coach - Pie, Danny Snider, was seen wolfing down an entire bacon cheeseburger pie.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 04:06 PM

This was about as funny as the Simpsons movie. Which is to say it was not funny at all...

Posted by: barno | January 23, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE GOD, NO.

Both Don & Mike and DC101 are reporting Fassel as HC. ESPN/Redskins dont seem to be saying this though. Any real word about this, or just misinformation spreading around????

Posted by: slapyak | January 23, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Don't be such a sourpuss Barno. Your bipolarity is depressing. Sit down and eat some Key Lime Pie already.

(Breaking: Barno can't see when people are mocking him.)

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"How about my Gregg Williams Meatloaf Special... check it out.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_34939,00.html

Man, I've just about forgotten about this coach thing... who would have ever thought the food netwrok was where it was at!"

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008
03:59 PM

I'm STILL laughing at the photo in the link!

Welcome new Bigfish! Yes, there was someone named Bigfish, but maybe he became Pescado Grande or something. Feel free to keep the name ... or if you want to avoid confusion by others, maybe "New Bigfish" might work too. Either way, welcome aboard. Come for the football, stay for the jibba jabba (and pie ... and meatloaf ... and maps, such as ... with beer).

Posted by: dcsween | January 23, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I get humour. And people like me.

Posted by: not barno / January 23, 2008

Posted by: notguy | January 23, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday, I mentioned Danny had hit the expiration date on this decision and it would start smelling really bad, really quickly.

And darn it, it sure does seem to be stinking up the place.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Danny like the gray hair stripe that GG sports. Too Leno like. Fassel on the other hand has nice waivy brown hair, just like Vinny's! 8-D

Posted by: JoeyV | January 23, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Tom Friend (ESPN) has reportedly posted stuff to the extremeskins board:

Okay, now that it's all coming out, I can tell you what I know.
Jim Zorn has emerged as the leading candidate to be Offensive Coordinator, ahead of John Ramsdell (Chargers QB coach) and Mike Shula (Jags QB coach).
Rex Ryan is a contract negotiation away from being D-Coordinator, and I'm assuming they'll outbid the Ravens for him.
The heirarchy wants to keep Byner, Bugel and Blache from the previous staff. All others are probably gone.
Snyder simply does not trust or mesh with Gregg Williams, and the debacle of '06 is what started that. The heirarchy felt Williams was arrogant, stubborn and not forthright that year, and another red flag was his horrible relationship with Ralph Wilson in Buffalo. It was too much for Williams to overcome. Just wasn't a good fit here.
------------------------------------
Since I posted, I hear it's mayhem again.
Snyder's interviewing Zorn without Fassel! Shouldn't your next coach be there?
Fassel is in Phoenix and knows nothing yet.
Rex Ryan also knows nothing yet.
They're leaving everyone hanging, and ships might sail, including Rex Ryan's. Snyder is apparently holding all this up. Does he go back to Williams? For the moment, it's in limbo again. For the moment.
----------------------------------

I have no way of knowing but people there vouch for this being him and reliable

Posted by: Burgundy | January 23, 2008 04:11 PM


Burgundy, do you have a link for that post? Just wondering..

Posted by: ptoro | January 23, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Breaking

At a news conference today, Redskins owner Danny Snider both hired and fired Jim Fassel as coach of the Washington Redskins. He then resigned as owner, appointed Vinny Cerrato as the new owner, and took over the coaching reins saying, "how hard can it be. You just throw it around a little bit, run it, and hit people. It's football folks and I know football."

Later, new Head Coach - Pie, Danny Snider, was seen wolfing down an entire bacon cheeseburger pie.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 04:06 PM

Hurrah for satire!! And the funniest thing is that it reflects the post by Burgundy just above it. Well done sheidt!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 23, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

No decent coach in his right mind would want to be the head coach of the Redskins except for one reason... money. And that's exactly what you don't want, someone looking for a big pay day. So, Grilliams probably said in his last interview "hey Napoleon, shell out the cash or I'm out of here because no coach would work for you and Beavis unless they were getting paid a lot to be quiet". I would be amazed to see Williams back here next year. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: jeffjwb | January 23, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I had a bunch of issues with the 2007 Skins coaches and players. But the 2007 Skins were successful. Could Al Saunders done better with Campbell? Yes. Why did Santana Moss wait 10 games before showing up? Can't say for sure. Did Gibbs mismanage some games? Sure did.

But did this team play hard, play with pride and win some tough games against good teams? YESSSSS!!!!! Did they get to the playoffs? YESSSSSS!!!!! Did they improve, despite so many things going wrong during the season? YESSSSSS!!!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 04:04 PM

But "improved... during the season" is just another way of saying "weren't ready for the start of the season" and "never got it together until a major external event that won't be repeated next year." And those are coaching issues.

This team didn't (and doesn't) have the talent to win a Superbowl, but what we saw this season was that under a normal NFL season, it also didn't have the leadership to even make a reasonable try at getting there.

So why NOT blow it up? You're not gonna kill the best player on the team next fall just to get everyone to pay attention and execute the playbooks. And that's what it took in 2007.

(And for pie? Apple, all the way. Squeeze a whole lot of that lemon juice that comes in a plastic lemon on the apples before you put them in the crust.)

Posted by: suz | January 23, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I get humour. And people like me.

Posted by: not barno / January 23, 2008

Posted by: notguy | January 23, 2008 04:15 PM

Is notguy Redcoat? Check the spelling of humour.

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Synder interviewing Zorn truly highlights the pathetic state of this team. I thought the Head Coach normally picked his own staff. What is going on here?

Posted by: skinsfan7 | January 23, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

This whole coaching search is like a Police Academy movie.

Posted by: Megskin | January 23, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I love notguy. I must say that I LMGO every time I read a post by him. Just great.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Being a die hard Skins fan has been extremely tough ever since Dan Snyder took over the team. It seems as though every year we make the playoffs or have a good season, the following year instead of building on the previous year, we completely revamp the team and/or coaching staff. We are without a doubt the laughing stock of the league when it comes to the front office. Philly, NYG, and Dallas have nothing to worry about because we are not operating like a professional football team. After the 1999 playoff season, we revamped the whole team with the signing of multiple "big name" veterans, which didn't work. In 2001, after coming back from an 0-5 start and finishing 8-8 with seemingly no big names on the team, we fired the Marty and revamped the coaching staff with the hiring of the biggest joke of em all, Steve Spurrier. In 2005, after a playoff berth, we completely revamp our offense after Cooley, Moss, Brunell, and Portis had record breaking years. Now here it is 2008, after a 2007 playoff berth and the resignation of Joe Gibbs, we are looking at revamping the complete team again, which is absolutely MIND BOGGLING!! I cannot believe Gregg Williams isn't named head coach yet.

Posted by: josh1234 | January 23, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Is notguy Redcoat? Check the spelling of humour.

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 04:23 PM

Someone asked that before. It's not me sams,although there are times when I wish it were!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 23, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I bet Vinny calls mayberry for bean pies, and Danny watches him eat them, mouth watering and all! That will make you sick, kinda like this hiring a coach process! Please not Fassil!!!! :(

Posted by: redryan400 | January 23, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

WTEM reporting that Jim Fassel will be announced as the new head coach on Thursday.

Posted by: tkozikow | January 23, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I'll second the motion on the apple crisp but only with Breyer's Vanilla. Just like bacon, desserts are better with ice cream.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 23, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

ESPN just reported it is a done deal. It is Fassel with Zorn as OC. No word on the fate of Williams.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 23, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

If I was Cambpell I'd play out my contract and get the hell out of D.C. It's as if the owner doesn't even take into consideration the fact that Cambpell needs stability for the first time in his career. I know players need to adjust to any situation, but come on, the offense was stellar when it was run by somebody who was familiar with it. By his third year in it, I think Campbell would of flourished. He took major steps in it this year when the receivers weren't dropping passes. Now a whole new system? I'm not joking when I say this...I think Snyder has went off the deep end when Gibbs retired. There is no explanation for interviewing a new coach and possibly ruining what was the most consistent part of this team: The Defense. Whether rumors or not, I'm disgusted with this charade.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 23, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

why is espn radio reporting that fassell was hired for the job. cant find it anywhere else

Posted by: dave197391 | January 23, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

was it reported on the radio? nothing on the internet yet. anybody validate it?

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

No info on ESPN.com, usually up there first before radio!

Posted by: redryan400 | January 23, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

another premature evacuation of information apparently...

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 23, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Suz, actually meant they improved over prior seasons ... but they had injuries and other major stuff during this past season.

But the point is that this is a team going in a better direction then they have in any time in Snyder's entire tenure. You can dismiss getting to the playoffs, but those trips have been pretty rare. And this was a competitive team against every other team (save the Pats). With the 2nd toughest schedule in the entire NFL.

If you blow it up, is Jim Fassel sound like the guy who you want to rebuild it?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Sween the new bigfish did not want to cause any confusion to the regulars so now i will go by hawkeye. Had to go back a ways and find out how to change your reg but through due diligence and maps and such figured it out. Thanks for the welcome and ready to talk jibba jabba and maps and such.

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 23, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, the IPod just kicked in the daily HTTR so I'm guessing that means we're gonna have an announcement at any moment.

Wish I had some pie.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe that's Tom Friend, why wouldn't he report on ESPN if he had inside info. Not to mention that he uses the phrase "wasn't a good fit here."

Does he still reside in this area?

Posted by: Skinz | January 23, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

ESPN just reported it is a done deal. It is Fassel with Zorn as OC. No word on the fate of Williams.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 23, 2008 04:26 PM

links?

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 23, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I have made some comments about this situation and maybe shouldn't have. I wish fans were not as exposed to the processes that go into FA's, coaches, and other football related searches. Kinda like it was in the 80's. Once the season was over for a team you didn;t really hear anything until August.

I also wish this blog didn't exist because it does nothing but P@$% the fans off. I mean really how many people have jumped some silly conclusion based on non sense they read out here (or any other Internet related outlet)that may not even be true. I mean we can base things off of what the owner has done in the past, but it may not be true that he wil do those things in the future. Give the man a break.

Let the thing play out and like Liberal Mike said above in some many words, Chill.

Posted by: lilagram | January 23, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

assuming this is true, i'm no longer a redskins fan. this is just too much. this team has been through too much. for all intents and purposes, snyder IS the redskins and he has raped our beloved franchise and polluted it beyond return.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 23, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

It will be fun observing the contortions of the KoolAide Bridage to rationalize away the utter and complete break-down of this sorry, pathetic organization.

Wasn't Snyder interested in a Arena Football Team for DC? Look no farther - he has a franchise ready to go.

Posted by: i155133 | January 23, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Z,
I am not sure that Fassel is the one that you need to blow it up and start over with, but how do we know that he may have had a really good plan for this. I still think that Campbell can be a really good QB but I do not think that he fit Big Al's system to well IMHO.

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 23, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

WARNING!!!

DON'T FOLLOW THE

beep beep...............

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE IT.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 23, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

bleep, bleep

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 23, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

WWAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

God for bid! There isn't a worse coach in the NFL than FASSEL!

Posted by: sams3 | January 23, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Saunders will be the HC and all of these interviews are for his replacement.

Posted by: eleysium | January 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

More info/rumor mongering is good for the franchise's bottom line. I can't even envision the 80s news and info blackout. Maybe they go overboard at ESPN with the 2 weeks of Super Hype Bowl and the endless Mel Kiper Clips, but I'll take the bad with the good just so I can have something to keep my going until next season.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Redskins radio is up to something.... They keep saying that they "can't say anything for sure" but are pointing to the fact that Jim Fassel is with Jim Zorn and the meeting at Snyder's house and once they okay everything they are both going to go back down to Mobile Alabama and do their scouting. Looks like Fassel is the coach.

JLC, can you confirm? Redskins radio really wants to break this news... Maybe you have something they don't have. Can Greg Williams still be the DC if Fassel is hired?

Posted by: redskins2448 | January 23, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Owners are temporary, the Redskins are forever.

Anyone who blasphemes and suggests they'll switch teams because of the Owner should be switched in the public square. No true fan would ever change allegiances. Ever.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 23, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I called it first:

Let's not overestimate Vinnie. There's no reason he couldn't throw a few draft picks Baltimore's way to pry loose Rex Ryan.

Posted by: carver9 | January 23, 2008 11:04 AM

Posted by: carver9 | January 23, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Fassel makes sense. He wants a hc gig so bad he'll let Danny and Vinny run the show.

I still believe that the the 2 things Fassel brings to the table is a Super Bowl berth and a new offensive philosophy. Combine that with his history of grooming QB's and he is a good fit for what Snyder wants.

As far as JC goes. He is used to changes in offensive systems and Fassel's system probably won't take 2 years to be productive.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 23, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

When I link to the Washington Post tomorrow and find out Jim Fossil...oops...Fassell is the new head coach, I'm through with the Redskins until Snyder sells the team.
How stupid can Snyder be not realizing the mountain HIS OWN COACHES must climb to win the hearts and minds of the players. No matter how 'successful' Snyder's been in his other businesses, I suspect his commitment to the people of these enterprises is probably crap. I just don't see where Fassell can handle the torrent of media pressure in DC, unless the 'Skins go 12-4 or better and make the NFC championship game.
Of course if they falter AGAIN Snyder can blame it on 'transition,' hoping that we kool-aid drinking fans will forget all he said about 'continuity.'
As I said previously, we fans must make this organization earn our loyalty and $$$. I guarantee you Snyder did not once consult any players, and probably did not consult any other serious NFL people.
After 4 years of teasing us with our beloved legend, we're now back to the true reality of Danny boy.

Saints preserve us.

Posted by: pdfordiii | January 23, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I am sick to my stomach that the skins are even thinking of breaking up all that has been built over this year. He's playing with the heads of the fans and players and Williams. That Vinnie is a joke and racist. I remember when the redskins had a fan getogether before the draft before the ballcoach era and kids were waving their hands to ask Vinnie questions there were about 10 black kids 5 feet in front of them and he would not pick one to ask a question. Pepper Rodgers took over the questioning and he was watching this in disgust and began picking some of the black kids to ask questions. I have not liked him since. If fassel comes in watch this team fall apart, not because of Fassel but because of how Snyder handles this.

Posted by: stephenwilson2003 | January 24, 2008 5:25 AM | Report abuse

You know, all you folks who want to ditch the BG because the ownership is apparently in total disarray, reconsider. Make ownership understand; don't go to the games, dont buy the merchandise. Watch him then, when he starts to lose money for abusing the privilege of running this franchise.
The games are on TV; DONT GO TO THE STADIUM; RETURN THOSE TICKETS

Posted by: ElkinsLawOffice | January 26, 2008 5:46 AM | Report abuse

What kind of insider is JLC he needs to get his A$$ down to the park and find out what is going on I could have told evryone what he is reporting it is on ESPN is that all he does read ESPN and then report what he reads. Also stop being so negative toward what the team is doing and report facts.
Posted by: kmdp4 | February 8, 2008 10:33 AM

Nice to know that JLC can make something like clearing cap space to improve the team seem like a bad idea. There are plenty of real things the organization is doing wrong that you can focus on. No need to invent others to fit your agenda.

Posted by: briank450 | February 8, 2008 10:14 AM

Is it just me or have Jason's recent posts had more of a venomous undertone against the skins than normal?

Do you think he reads what everyone writes and is trying to play to the fans hate of the organization?

Posted by: sams3 | February 8, 2008 10:04 AM


I think that Jason is pissed that he doesn't have an inside scoop to anything but contracts that are being reworked!

If I was a beat writer to a team that I didn't care much about anyway, and I was getting beat to scoops by an insider in Hawaii I'd be pissed too!

Posted by: dbussjd | February 8, 2008 10:14 AM


Salary cap, shmalary cap. Doesn't apply to us. Jason hates it, but it's true.

Restructuring contracts is costing us wins? Laughable.

Stop the nonsense.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | February 8, 2008 10:18 AM


You know Jason, while I respect and appreciate your reporting, sometimes I get really tired of the constant negativity. When it comes to the salary cap, there are plenty of teams out there who supposedly do it the "right" way and always have lots of room under the cap yet never have anything to show for it. Same thing with the front office structure. Plenty of teams have conventional set ups but continue to be mediocre season after season. But to point that out wouldn't be any fun. It's sport around here to do nothing but criticize Snyder and the team. Yes, there have been enough bad decisions warranting criticism, but in the grand scheme of things he hasn't been an owner that long. I think we should be fortunate to have an owner who is so passionate about the team and wanting to win. Any idea how long it took the Rooney's to win a SB? Over 40 years!! And a bunch of em have never won diddly. I believe he's learned plenty since he bought the team and I'm willing to cut him the benefit of the doubt right now. Let's see how this all plays out. For the Redskins the salary cap is an artificial, almost meaningless, number. But it does provide you an avenue for criticism. Enough already.

Posted by: huskerskins | February 8, 2008 10:23 AM


Seriously, Jason, stop the nonsense. Coaches are given an opportunity to pull out when they're no longer being considered. Mora, Gregg, and now Spags have exercised this option.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | February 7, 2008 02:53 PM


You're saying that you believe Jason when he says that Cowher turned it down because of the front office structure? Since Jason said it it must be fact right? Get real. Cowher has consistently said he's not gonna coach now.

Posted by: fgtdr | February 7, 2008 03:34 PM


I do object to taking cheap shots at the Redskins and calling them facts. I like Jason, but this has become a theme in everything he writes. It's old and tired. When Peter King notices it, it's gone on too long.

Stop the nonsense!

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | February 7, 2008 03:49 PM

I appreciate the updates JLC, but the conjecture is a little much. Pete Carrol and Bill Cowher are not/were not going to coach 'anywhere' in the NFL this year regardless of the front office setup, owner, city, etc.

If it's such a 'devalued' position, why are quality coaches lining up for marathon interview sessions with Dan Snyder?? Stick to the facts sir..

Posted by: castro123 | February 7, 2008 02:41 PM

JLC comments are BS! JLC reported that Pete Carroll, Bill Cowher and Jim Mora did not want the Skins job. Well, Jim Mora knew Holmgren was going to retire next season and that he would be made HC so that is why he pulled out......Bill Cowher has said all along that he did not plan to coach next season and never deviated from that statement and Carroll has always said if he coaches in the NFL again he wants full control. Pete Carroll did not even interview with ATL but did with Snyder.

What about Jason Garrett turning down the Ravens? Thought that was a world class organization (according to JLC).

Posted by: Lisa | February 7, 2008 03:20 PM


JLC is negative 99% of the time about the Skins. And while I know there has not been much to be positive about, he was dissing us when good things were happening.

Not to mention that I was reporting the info on Spags today before HE did. I got it from the "other" paper.

Posted by: Lisa | February 7, 2008 03:48 PM


JLC - the only spin is from you.

Williams wasn't offered the job.
Neither was Saunders.
You wrote that Spags wasn't offered.

How does all that support the gig being "devalued" ? The quality of your reporting is what is devalued.

Posted by: cabraman | February 7, 2008 04:45 PM


Privately, many players complained about the lack of special situations and late-game situations in practice sessions under Joe Gibbs.

Publicly the fans want you to stop pretending to be a coach Jla! That means we don't want you telling us how real coaches should run the practice.

Posted by: mul | February 9, 2008 08:28 PM

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