Chicago a possible spot for Zorn

Since Mike Holmgren set up shop in Cleveland, the Browns have seemed like the most likely landing spot for former Redskins coach Jim Zorn. But another possibility has emerged.

Comcast SportsNet Chicago is reporting that Zorn could wind up on the Bears' staff as offensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach or perhaps both.

Last week, the Bears spared Lovie Smith's head coaching position but got rid of most of his offensive assistants, including coordinator Ron Turner. CSN Chicago also reported that the Bears are considering Kevin Gilbride.

One guy who figured to be at least a contender to be on the radar of new Redskins coach Mike Shanahan was USC offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates, whom Shanahan hired in 2006 as an offensive assistant with the Denver Broncos. Bates, now just 33, rose to become the wide receivers/quarterbacks coach in 2007 and the quarterbacks coach in 2008, Shanahan's last season in Denver. Jay Cutler excelled under Shanahan/Bates.

Scratch Bates, though, from the list of potential Redskins assistants. With Pete Carroll's impending move to Seattle, he apparently is taking over as the offensive coordinator with the Seahawks, according to ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

By Rick Maese  |  January 11, 2010; 11:48 AM ET
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So Zorn might be coaching Cutler after all?

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Just say no to Clausen, Tebow , McCoy, Bradford.

Posted by: Realness1 | January 11, 2010 11:36 AM

Just say maybe to Tony Pike or Ryan Mallett.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I can't see any team making him an offensive coordinator. The best he can hope for is QB coach. I actually thought he would be better off going back to the college ranks until he could win back some respectability...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Zorn was more behind the offseason JC stuff then people thought.

Chicago must not have watched many Skins games if the are considering Zorn for anything.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

So Zorn is telling the BEars he actually wanted Cutler and not JC17...

QUICK...someone call JC for reaction...So the Post can continue to laugh at this organization....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"Shanahan only has 6 runs really so do most teams if you want to break down the run game in football."


It matters how you block the runs though.

One failing under Zorn was that his passing game wasn't designed to run play action off the running game.

Why?

He had to use Gibbs' running game with his passing game.

I guess it never crossed his mind to somehow unite it all schematically.

Now all that's crossing his mind is how to spent $2.5 million during time away from football.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I doubt Chicago would actually consider giving him play calling duties.

Maybe he really impresses during the interview and gets the job.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Bradford may have trouble with his NFL physical. Twice dislocated, it may need ligament repair.
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Just say no to Clausen, Tebow , McCoy, Bradford.

Posted by: Realness1 | January 11, 2010 11:36 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Good.

With Zorn calling their plays now I get to see stupid s_it in Chicago, like calling for a reverse to Devin Hester on the opponents 40 after Forte rips off a 40 yard run.

Or watch Forte get slammed for a safety after Zorn calls for a stretch from their own two yard line.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

So since DC is not in the playoffs I have begun my annual look at Minor-league football and spring leagues to see what is new. A fun interesting note, Arean Football Legue was bought out after it went bankrupt last year by a group called AF1.

I can tell you right now it will fail as AF1 has no teams playing in Cali or the North east, and any league that ignores where 76% of the US population lives is born to fail.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Oh and happy 30 day you binary fans.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

One name that's popped up a couple of times is Terrell Owens, who will be a free agent.--RI

Perfect. That'll class up the joint.

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Is Wilbon gonna be horny for Zorny when he is throwing giant balls at Cutler.

Posted by: dph60 | January 11, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Is Wilbon gonna be horny for Zorny when he is throwing giant balls at Cutler.

Posted by: dph60 | January 11, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

There are so many weird layers to that question I don't know where to begin.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

F Zorn.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Just say F NO to TO. That is craaaaaaazy talk. I'd rather have Zorn AND Vinny back than TO as a Redskin. I'm not kidding.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Let's talk about your hero TC. TC really upstaged JC until teams got some film on him that wasn't 11 years old. Guess what? They figured out that TC doesn't have the arm strength to throw an out route. That's why we got crushed in the playoffs. TC only throws intermediate to the middle of the field. That's why he always gets that 1 big competion then gets shutout. TC also had at that point 6 years in that offense and it was JC's first year in the Al Saunders 600 page playbook. So yeah go ahead and rant about how awesome TC was but just know that teams have figured him out now. I just want to give a little run down of the 4 games TC won.

Bears-Knocked out their QB then intercepted their backup twice. TC threw 2 TDs that game. The first one was on a drive that started at the Bears 21 yard line. He threw 1 pass and Yoder brought it in for a TD. The second TD was a result of another INT and TC checking down to Portis. Portis then broke a 54 yard run. TC threw his 2nd TD pass from the 1 yard line. TC had 1 legit drive that whole game. Suisham also missed 2 field goals.

Giants-TC threw for a whopping 166 yards. The shotgun draw play and the wind won this game more than TC did.

Vikings-Collins actually had a great game. It was against the league's worst passing defense but I guess it still counts.

Cowboys-First TD was a result of a pass interference penalty and then a 23 yard run by CP. After Dallas pilled their starters in the third quarter TC put up 2 more TDs.

So no, your hero really wasn't that good. It's just that we were winning ball games so suddenly the perception of TC being good is born. In reality he sucks and that's why he got dismantled in the playoffs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

i find it hard to believe any team would hire zorn to run their offense. qb coach maybe...

Posted by: phk28 | January 11, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Realness...
Shanny knows Snyder shopped JC, unsuccessfully, for a 2nd run pick last March, for the Sanchez package and didnt get an offer. Thus Shanny most likely feels very empowered to find a replacement for JC, more so, probably than any other skilled position personnel move he is considering (OLine notwithstanding).
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Soup is done here. Collins and Colt are still under contract for 2010. Need at least one more for a competition. Just say no to Clausen, Tebow , McCoy, Bradford.

Posted by: Realness1 | January 11, 2010 11:36 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 11:51 AM

I can imagine Shanny (Mr. No excuses) watching film w/ soup and soup tries to roll out the parade of excuses he's gotten from the media, fans, etc. "wahhh, it's not fair, it's someone else's fault that I can't read a D or throw the ball on time and win 35% of my over 50 starts. Call the wahhhmbulance!" Then this by DC: "The following quarterbacks have been released. Here is the list in alphabetical order: Campbell, Jason.... that is all...."

Posted by: Realness1 | January 11, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Sween - MWash is too old now....HE ain't coming back...

Here's looking for HEnson to step up next year....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

been away for a bit, two things from these recent posts:

1) Zorn coaching Cutler and in charge of any offense.......hahahahhahahaahaahaa good luck Chicago...

2) Isn't it refreshing to have a coach say "we'll have to evaluate our personnel before we decide on a system"? Thank Mr. Shanahan, you're already an upgrade on the coaches we've had by not forcing a system on talent that doesn't suit it!

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Bradford may have trouble with his NFL physical. Twice dislocated, it may need ligament repair.
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Just say no to Clausen, Tebow , McCoy, Bradford.

Posted by: Realness1 | January 11, 2010 11:36 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 11:57 AM

A friend of mine is a physical therapist who says no way on Bradford due to the shoulder.

Posted by: Realness1 | January 11, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Good.

With Zorn calling their plays now I get to see stupid s_it in Chicago, like calling for a reverse to Devin Hester on the opponents 40 after Forte rips off a 40 yard run.

Or watch Forte get slammed for a safety after Zorn calls for a stretch from their own two yard line.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Forte is already practicing his HB pass on 3rd down.

Greg Olson will probably get a chance to run a couple of TE reverses.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Just say no to Clausen, Tebow , McCoy, Bradford.

Posted by: Realness1 | January 11, 2010 11:36 AM

Just say maybe to Tony Pike or Ryan Mallett.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2010 11:53 AM

Pike can throw over first level defenders to complete passes to his guys.

Posted by: Realness1 | January 11, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

So I got a list of Free agents on the skins from Kffl.com

Pos Player Name FA Status Previous Team Current Team
QB Jason Campbell UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
TE Todd Yoder RFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
P Hunter Smith UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
OG Randy Thomas UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
OT Stephon Heyer UFA Washington Redskins Washington Redskins
DL Lorenzo Alexander UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Phillip Daniels UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Kedric Golston UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Anthony Montgomery UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Renaldo Wynn UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Rocky McIntosh UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Matt Sinclair UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Chris Wilson RFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
SS Reed Doughty UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent

Who you keep and who you cut?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather take a shot with Pike and draft Okung first. I would hope Shanny does the right thing.

Posted by: joeboggs | January 11, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Alex your list depends on if ther is a cap or not.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Pos Player Name FA Status Previous Team Current Team
QB Jason Campbell UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
TE Todd Yoder RFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
P Hunter Smith UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
OG Randy Thomas UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
OT Stephon Heyer UFA Washington Redskins Washington Redskins
DL Lorenzo Alexander UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Phillip Daniels UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Kedric Golston UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Anthony Montgomery UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Renaldo Wynn UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Rocky McIntosh UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Matt Sinclair UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Chris Wilson RFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
SS Reed Doughty UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent

Who you keep and who you cut?

well seeing as they're free agents you don't have to cut any of them but of the list I would keep:

Campbell
Smith
Heyer
Gholston
Wilson
Monte
Yoder
LoAlex
Rocky
Doughty

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Alex your list depends on if ther is a cap or not.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Only if you don't think Bruce Allen is a genus

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Are the Bears looking at Sherm Lewis as well?

Posted by: skinswest | January 11, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see Chris Clemons get a sack on Romo. Can Chris Wilson be a Clemons type?

Posted by: joeboggs | January 11, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

QB Jason Campbell UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
TE Todd Yoder RFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
P Hunter Smith UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
OG Randy Thomas UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
OT Stephon Heyer UFA Washington Redskins Washington Redskins
DL Lorenzo Alexander UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Phillip Daniels UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Kedric Golston UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Anthony Montgomery UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Renaldo Wynn UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Rocky McIntosh UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Matt Sinclair UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Chris Wilson RFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
SS Reed Doughty UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent

Who you keep and who you cut?


Posted by: alex35332


Campbell
Smith
Golston
McIntosh
Doughty

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Who you keep and who you cut?


Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 12:12 PM

Tendor all the Restricted FAs:

* AMontgomery
* Gohlston
* Alexander
* JC
* CR22
* CWilson
* Reed Doughty
* Sinclair
* Heyer

You extend offers to:

* Yoder
* Rocky, if you have no other back up plans

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

and rogers wasn't on the list and should be, depending on the money I'd keep him, if he wants starter money pay him, if he wants star money let him go.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see Chris Clemons get a sack on Romo. Can Chris Wilson be a Clemons type?

Posted by: joeboggs


We had a "Clemons type".

His name was Chris Clemons.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see Chris Clemons get a sack on Romo. Can Chris Wilson be a Clemons type?

Posted by: joeboggs | January 11, 2010 12:18 PM

Clemons has put on a lot of muscle mass (can anyone say HGH). He was much smaller in DC. I think Wilson will find a home as a rush LB.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

2) Isn't it refreshing to have a coach say "we'll have to evaluate our personnel before we decide on a system"? Thank Mr. Shanahan, you're already an upgrade on the coaches we've had by not forcing a system on talent that doesn't suit it!

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 12:08 PM

AbsoLUTEly. Thank flippin jeebus on that! That said, I think Shanahan is referring to the offensive line that is yet to be assembled through free agency and the draft, i.e., figure out the system based on what shakes out of offseason acquisitions.

Whether its Okung, or the Rutgers guy, or Campbell from Maryland, or the guy from USC, whatever, I'm good with a first round tackle. Shanahan said he wants accuracy first. Me too. I just figure that taller QBs have better shots at success early in their careers, esp. if they're supersmart.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys see someone named Jeremy Bridges playing left tackle last night for Zona?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

After watching the Jets and the Ravens, I think that I now heart 3-4 defenses (esp. based on the 4-3 debacles offered up by Green Bay and Arizona).

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys see someone named Jeremy Bridges playing left tackle last night for Zona?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 12:29 PM

Yes, he's the exact same one who got cut by the Skins in order to keep Mike Williams and the rest of what was regrettably called "depth" by the Skins.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

GB plays 3-4 as well Sween....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

That was my point Sween.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

QB Jason Campbell UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
TE Todd Yoder RFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
P Hunter Smith UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
OG Randy Thomas UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
OT Stephon Heyer UFA Washington Redskins Washington Redskins
DL Lorenzo Alexander UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Phillip Daniels UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Kedric Golston UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Anthony Montgomery UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Renaldo Wynn UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Rocky McIntosh UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Matt Sinclair UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Chris Wilson RFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
SS Reed Doughty UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent

Who you keep and who you cut?


Posted by: alex35332

campbell
alexander
golston
mcintosh

Posted by: phk28 | January 11, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

soomeone tell me what the difference is between zone and non-zone blocking. thanks.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 11, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

The 3-4 defense?

Spoke on that about two years ago.

Was damn near ran off the blog.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

The 3-4 defense?

Spoke on that about two years ago.

Was damn near ran off the blog.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 12:35 PM

How many players are the Skins away to run this D, without having to force square pegs in round holes?

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

keep..
TE Todd Yoder RFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
P Hunter Smith UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Lorenzo Alexander UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Rocky McIntosh UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent

Keep Hunter Smith until he gets that "Swing Gate" play down pat..
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QB Jason Campbell UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
TE Todd Yoder RFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
P Hunter Smith UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
OG Randy Thomas UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
OT Stephon Heyer UFA Washington Redskins Washington Redskins
DL Lorenzo Alexander UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Phillip Daniels UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Kedric Golston UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Anthony Montgomery UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Renaldo Wynn UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Rocky McIntosh UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Matt Sinclair UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
LB Chris Wilson RFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
SS Reed Doughty UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent

Who you keep and who you cut?


Posted by: alex35332

campbell
alexander
golston
mcintosh

Posted by: phk28 | January 11, 2010 12:33 P

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The 3-4 defense?

Spoke on that about two years ago.

Was damn near ran off the blog.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 12:35 PM |

Yeah, but you're still here and the "f*cka*s co*ck-slamming sh*t-eating whack face" who disagreed is long gone. Or was it 4th? Not sure, now that I think about it.

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes....I may be one of them...

My stance now is to have all defenses and no base set....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Chicago a possible spot for Zorn

Jay Cutler meet Slip n' Slide!

Posted by: Predator48 | January 11, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I believe Stump Mitchell has officially accepted a job elsewhere.

Posted by: dfbovey | January 11, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Hope Zorn gets the gig. That will free up some of the money that Snyder has to pay him. Snyder will be able to reduce the price of parking and beer at FedEx as he demonstrates how much he's changed.

More likely they're just interviewing Zorn as a token to satisfy the Looney Rule.

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather take a shot with Pike and draft Okung first. I would hope Shanny does the right thing.

Posted by: joeboggs | January 11, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse


I'd rather wait until next year and see what Ponder and Devlin are up to. I'd like to get 3 new linemen in this draft and give them a year to gel before even taking a QB. Keep in mind that these guys will have to play together for a while before they are any good. Look at Jacksonville and St. Louis. Thye have good young linemen but they haven't gelled yet.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Didn't someone bet some remy on the # of wins this season?

Posted by: Realness1 | January 11, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

To all Zorn haters:

When will you learn not to believe Cerrato's lies? When Zorn had a healthy OL, his offense did well. Our OL has been over-the-hill for two years, the coaching staff knew it and pressed for OL help. Instead of the 3-4 new o-linemen we needed last off season, what did we get? 1 o-lineman and Haynesworth.

Guaranteed - Bad O-Line = Bad offense.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 11, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I can get down with a 3-4/4-3/4-6 defense. The hybrid defense.

Defense is easy -- give em' different looks. Confusion is the best method.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

To all Zorn haters:

When will you learn not to believe Cerrato's lies? When Zorn had a healthy OL, his offense did well. Our OL has been over-the-hill for two years, the coaching staff knew it and pressed for OL help. Instead of the 3-4 new o-linemen we needed last off season, what did we get? 1 o-lineman and Haynesworth.

Guaranteed - Bad O-Line = Bad offense.

Yeah, true, but everytime I succumb to this line of reasoning, I just remind myself about the Swinging Gate Fake Field Goal and it passes.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 11, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Season review: Quarterbacks
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
01/11/10 11:18 AM EST

Looking back: Jason Campbell was not a Pro Bowler, but all you have to do is look what certain defenses did this past weekend to Donovan McNabb and Tom Brady. They were under pressure; they wilted and looked terrible. Campbell faced that sort of pressure each week. It helped for him that coaches began tailoring the game plan more to hide the weaknesses, allowing Campbell to survive a little better. But Campbell took good care of the ball considering the pressure he faced. He developed a better understanding of the pocket and even made a few plays. All things considered, playing behind a bad line, for Campbell to throw 20 touchdowns to 15 interceptions and an 86.4 passer rating represented a solid year.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Yes that was me as well......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

cont...

Still need to see: Quicker decisions on certain routes and more patience on others. Campbell improved in both areas, but there were plays in most games where if Campbell had stayed longer with the receiver -- times when the blocking held up -- a big play could have resulted. Also, need to see a late-game drive for a win, the sort that provides confidence and a swagger.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I hope Zorn does get an OC position and play calling responsibility, and I hope he does well. I'm glad he's gone because we needed a complete overhaul for the main purpose of getting the decisions out of DS/VC.

But I still think he's a cool guy, and I wonder what might have been with a capable o-line. I want him to do well not just for himself, but so that Vinny and Snyder can look even more like idiots for their personnel catastrophes.

Posted by: REXskins | January 11, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

cont...

Grade: B. A C in the first half; an A in the second. Given what he faced -- with the three-headed play-calling monster -- and the pressure he was under from the line, Campbell responded well. He showed toughness and improved at keeping his eyes downfield while under pressure. He did leave a lot of plays on the field early in the season and normally we would grade him harder for that; however, what he endured late gave him some extra credit. In the second half of the season, he was without a legitimate running game and his best tight end; he had still-developing young receivers and playing behind a line that stunk yet he still threw 11 touchdown passes to seven interceptions during that time. Maybe others could have done better; but many would have fared worse.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

the end....

Where they're headed: Uncertainty. All we know for sure is that Mike Shanahan did not like Campbell coming out of college. I'm guessing his opinion hasn't changed that much, though his appreciation for Campbell after watching games this season might have increased. Should have, actually. My guess is that if they keep Campbell it would be for one year before handing the position to a young QB. Shanahan will judge Campbell not on whether or not he can win with him this season, but for the next five. Can he get better? One thing to know about Shanahan, based on people who have known and worked with him, is that he has a tendency to think he can turn any player into a good one. A bit confident. The hunch is that he'll take that attitude more with a young quarterback with tools and a still undefined ceiling rather than a 28-year-old coming off an admirable season. As for the backups, it's hard to say until we know what they'll do with the starter, but Todd Collins' lack of mobility will be an issue and Colt Brennan is far from a proven backup. If they draft a quarterback, one or both will be gone.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Season-review-Quarterbacks-81142347.html#ixzz0cKNHrtO6

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

with his one win since elway i cannot wait until danny's latest reclamation project does-maybe a trade for gaines adams. i guess ditka, vermeil or madden will be next in the let's get a little extra retirement money from a star struck little guy. he can certainly afford it-there are thousands of stupid washingtonians (is that redundant?) lined up to buy tickets

Posted by: george32 | January 11, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I dont think were that far away from a 3-4
Orakpo proved he can play the OLB then rush as a DE on 3rd down, HB Blades is a natural MLB (Was one in College) Chris Wilson is the classic tweener OLB/De, to fill the other position, Big Al at NT, the only problem is Carter, McIntosh would be gone and we would need to draft atleast 2 stout DE

Posted by: Istudydrugs | January 11, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

with his one win since elway i cannot wait until danny's latest reclamation project does-maybe a trade for gaines adams. i guess ditka, vermeil or madden will be next in the let's get a little extra retirement money from a star struck little guy. he can certainly afford it-there are thousands of stupid washingtonians (is that redundant?) lined up to buy tickets

Posted by: george32 | January 11, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Confusion is the best method.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse
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Fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope help as well

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 11, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

QB Jason Campbell UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent


Who you keep and who you cut?


Posted by: alex35332

Jason Campbell is a restricted free agent, not a UFA. The only way he can become unrestricted is if the Redskins decline to make him a qualifying offer.

Posted by: rbpalmer | January 11, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

JC has become Patrick Ramsey....

Ramsey is still in the league BTW....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

When will you learn not to believe Cerrato's lies? When Zorn had a healthy OL, his offense did well. Our OL has been over-the-hill for two years, the coaching staff knew it and pressed for OL help. Instead of the 3-4 new o-linemen we needed last off season, what did we get? 1 o-lineman and Haynesworth.

Guaranteed - Bad O-Line = Bad offense.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 11, 2010 12:49 PM |

He did well before there was tape on him around the league once teams saw his offesne on film it was revealed to be crap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Confusion is the best method.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 12:50 PM |

Except when, like last year, it's the HC that's confused.

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

with his one win since elway i cannot wait until danny's latest reclamation project does-maybe a trade for gaines adams. i guess ditka, vermeil or madden will be next in the let's get a little extra retirement money from a star struck little guy. he can certainly afford it-there are thousands of stupid washingtonians (is that redundant?) lined up to buy tickets

Posted by: george32 | January 11, 2010 12:57 PM |

hey dummy Shanny could have sat at home the next two years and made 14mil so I doubt this is about money, name me a better coach out there that you would have picked smart guy.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

He did well before there was tape on him around the league once teams saw his offesne on film it was revealed to be crap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse
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See McDaniels, Josh.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 11, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is a restricted free agent, not a UFA. The only way he can become unrestricted is if the Redskins decline to make him a qualifying offer.

Posted by: rbpalmer | January 11, 2010 12:59 PM |

No JC is a RFA if there is no cap if there is a cap then he's UFA.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Mike Leach

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 11, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

No JC is a RFA if there is no cap if there is a cap then he's UFA.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse
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If there's a cap, then Mr. JC drops out of the top 5 team issues, because the only way this team is going to be competitive anytime soon is if they can clear the bloated contracts they've been rolling back each offseason.

Portis, Haynesworth, Moss, El, Fletcher, and Landry are all sitting on contracts worth far more than their production can possibly be in one season. If there is a cap, we will likely have to retain them all by extending their contracts and promising more money in the future, since paying them or cutting them will probably just not be an option.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 11, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

there aint no way in HELL or this world that zorn is ever even CONSIDERED to be an OC of an NFL org. the person hiring would have to be dumber than zorn and vinny and that's not easy...

Posted by: dealer1 | January 11, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Chicago must be desperate if they are thinking of hiring Zorn.

That or they think the Redskins are so disfunctional that all coaches just look bad here.

I'm thinking there will be a vacancy in Chicago next for HC. I wonder what spin Wilbon is going to put on that hire.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 11, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

soomeone tell me what the difference is between zone and non-zone blocking. thanks.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 11, 2010 12:33 PM
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Zone blocking requires an athletic offensive lineman who, if uncovered, must move laterally to help with overloads on a passing play, or get downfield to take the next defender on who would be in the "zone", a line moving in a particular direction from the lineman. If the lineman fires out into an empty "zone" then his responsibility becomes taking on any defenders running to the play. This is why the league calls many crack back blocks on a zone blocking scheme: because the lineman might be five yards downfield and then suddenly cut against the grain to assist in blocking someone out of their zone or their neighbor's zone. You also get cut blocking because you are talking about a three hundred pound guy running in space trying to take on a more agile linebacker or safety.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"So no, your hero really wasn't that good. It's just that we were winning ball games so suddenly the perception of TC being good is born. In reality he sucks and that's why he got dismantled in the playoffs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 12:04 PM"

PA,

It's like having a tire with a bad plug in it [Collins], or a tire with a screw in it that leaks faster, but only when you drive [Campbell].

Both look fine to the naked eye as long as the tire is leak down.

However, neither one is anything worth bragging about or optimally efficient for too long...even when repaired.

Either tire can get you there, it's simply a matter of how much other expense and frustration you'll experience along the way.

And the only real SOLUTION is to get a new set of tires [a young to mid-aged, solid QB].

As for, "that's why he [Collins] got dismantled in the playoffs."

Ummm, no, not so much.

I would say it was more that:

"A" CR 22 dropped a SURE pick 6 that would have put the 'Skins up 14-0,

and,

"B" TWO O-linemen (on an ALREADY patchwork O-line) including Ray FREAKIN' Brown (who was so old he was a starter during Gibbs 1.0) went down DURING that game.

Leaving a hip & knee-less Samuels, and a thumb-less Jansen as the main starters.

Want to gripe about playing behind a crap line? Yeah...

That game was within ONE score until Brown went down...but nice try on the B-S revisionist history attempt.

Almost government quality.

It would have worked, except some of us ACTUALLY keep track of these things.

In summary Neither Campbell nor Collins are the long term solution anywhere.

However, Collins will generally shoot himself (and consequently the team) in the foot less than JC17.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | January 11, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

PAskins..
I am not advocating Collins starting next year, by any means. I am just showing how Collins' level of play and success when he comes in, clearly demonstrates that Campbell is not a bonafide NFL starter. But a servicable backup.
Collins just lights it up with the SAME PERSONNEL when Jason cannot. In 2007 as NFL player of the month. And this year, another example, is the last 4 plays of the First half in the last Giants game. More yardage in 4 plays than Campbell had for the entire half.

And the Seattle game you mentioned.. Skins had a decimated OLine after the last Dallas game before the playoffs.. .. Half were backups and Heyer was a rookie starting his first NFL game, ever. Seahawks Kearney broke a playoff sack record running by Heyer.

Put it another way.. Snyder invests a 1st, 3rd and a 4th on Campbell in 2005. After one year with Zorn, in 2008, Snyder is willing to unload JC for only a 2nd round pick which still no one would agree to. It is becoming apparent that Zorn gave the green light to Snyder to shop JC.. Meaning a top 5 QB Coach in the NFL had a full year of JC and saw he didnt have it.
I am sure we will hear more from Zorn on Campbell once the last Snyder check has cleared.

By the way, your referencing the Giants game in that the 4-0 run TC put together in 2007. You left out the fact that his yards per completion were twice that of Eli Manning (20 yards per verus 10 yards per)... And it was a must win game for the eventual Super Bowl winning Giants that year.

TC is not the starter for the future.. But do you really want to see Jason behind center next September when the Skins need to come from behind with 2 minutes left.. JC has NEVER led the Skins from behind in 51 starts... JC has 4 divisional wins in 51 starts, TC has 2 in 4 starts.
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PA Skins wrote..

Giants-TC threw for a whopping 166 yards. The shotgun draw play and the wind won this game more than TC did.

Vikings-Collins actually had a great game. It was against the league's worst passing defense but I guess it still counts.

Cowboys-First TD was a result of a pass interference penalty and then a 23 yard run by CP. After Dallas pilled their starters in the third quarter TC put up 2 more TDs.

So no, your hero really wasn't that good. It's just that we were winning ball games so suddenly the perception of TC being good is born. In reality he sucks and that's why he got dismantled in the playoffs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 12:04 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Pos Player Name FA Status Previous Team Current Team
QB Jason Campbell UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent--KEEP
TE Todd Yoder RFA Washington Redskins Free Agent-- KEEP
P Hunter Smith UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent-- KEEP
OG Randy Thomas UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent-- LET GO
OT Stephon Heyer UFA Washington Redskins Washington Redskins-- KEEP AS A BACK UP
DL Lorenzo Alexander UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent-- KEEP
DL Phillip Daniels UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent
DL Kedric Golston UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent-- KEEP
DL Anthony Montgomery UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent-- LET GO-- UNDERACHIEVER
DL Renaldo Wynn UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent-- MAKE A COACH
LB Rocky McIntosh UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent-- KEEP
LB Matt Sinclair UFA Washington Redskins Free Agent-- HE RETIRED!!
LB Chris Wilson RFA Washington Redskins Free Agent-- OFFER LOW

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 11, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

QB Jason Campbell UFA 1 YR Tender
TE Todd Yoder RFA Re-Sign 1 YR
P Hunter Smith UFA Re-Sign 3 YR
OG Randy Thomas UFA encourage to retire
OT Stephon Heyer UFA 2 YR Tender
DL Lorenzo Alexander UFA Re-Sign 4 YR
DL Phillip Daniels UFA keep on speed dial
DL Kedric Golston UFA Re-Sign 5 YR
DL Anthony Montgomery UFA 3 YR Tender
DL Renaldo Wynn UFA thank you for service
LB Rocky McIntosh UFA Re-Sign 4 YR
LB Matt Sinclair UFA ??
LB Chris Wilson RFA Re-Sign 4 YR
SS Reed Doughty UFA Re-Sign 3 YR

Posted by: ThinkingMan | January 11, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I think Chicago is using Zorn to drive down another undisclosed Head Coaches salary asking price. Zorn is available and was paid almost a league minimum. Otherwise, there is now way Chicago can be serious about Zorn as Head Coach or Off Coordinator.

Basically the Chicago GM is saying.. "So, Coach X wants this salary.. Lets get Zorn and his relatively low salary from last year, in the mix out into the media. That may drive down Coach X."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Zorn will be united with the QB he wanted all along, Jay Cutler.

Posted by: dc1020008 | January 11, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

PASkinsFan17...you are a complete moron. do you have any good excuses for all of Campbell's meaningful passes in his meaningless career? or do you just like to repeat the meaningless stats in that meaningless career?

Posted by: dc1020008 | January 11, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I cant believe I am saying this but if you brought in a Owens/Marshall type receiver, it will open up Moss a ton! I personally do not like both players but it does make sense for the offense. You have to cut one of the two youngsters.... or you keep both and say bye bye to Randle El. look at the moves with the brain and not your fan heart... it took me a while to do it but everything seems mroe clear when you do it.

Posted by: rvanags | January 11, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

if chicago greatly improves there offensive talent this be alright move. Because like it or not under Zorn wins wherent there tds wherent there but i but that as result of poor execution by the players. with Zorn as play caller the Redskins drives where alot better then when Gibbs was here 2nd time around . Skins had better drives yea tds wherent scored but i put that on not having an oline, running game or weapons Zorn was comfortable with. If Zorn was brought hire an just hired as OC instead HC i think people views on Zorn be different> esp if they found a HC.

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | January 11, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Redskins 2010 finish at 6-10, you read it here first.

Posted by: JCM-51 | January 11, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

soomeone tell me what the difference is between zone and non-zone blocking. thanks.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 11, 2010 12:33 PM
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Zone blocking typically is a simplified blocking scheme were most offensive lineman block the man on them or cut block to prevent backside defensive player from making the play. There are little changes in run blocking because lineman generally do not pull in this scheme. You rarely see blockers pull from the backside of the play (Gibbs Counter trey) Non Zone blocking is usually determined by the defensive front that presented. It also relies heavily off of traps and lineman pulling to block at the point of attack.

Posted by: RealOne1 | January 11, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Everyone always talks about the fact that Shannahan didnt win a Super Bowl without Elway (which is true), but how many Super Bowls did Elway win without Shannahan? None. Elway needed Shannahan to get those two wins.

Posted by: AWWNats | January 11, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

WHO CARES WHERE ZORN GOES? HE SHOULD BE HISTORY AS FAR AS REDSKIN AND REDSKIN FANS ARE CONCERNED.

Wow some of you GM's need to get a football IQ, your worst then Vinny!!!!!!!

First off did any of you watch the playoff games this weekend? Lets use one of the local teams ,the Ravens. They have a good solid offensive line that run blocks and pass blocks. Did the Redskins have anything resembling that kind of offense line? The Ravens had 3 running backs , Ray Rice who has speed, power and burst, Willis Maghee who is a power back , and Mclain a fullback , did the Redskins have anyone running backs or fullbacks that possesed the power or speed like those Raven running backs?
There is a correlation with having a solid offensive line which creates holes for running backs to run thru and an offensive line that gives the quarterback time to make throws and a freaking offensive coordinator who calls plays based on player strengths an not fixated on scehmes !
Campbell was not fortunate enough to have any of those ingredients so lets see if he gets that foundation and then how productive the team can be....

On the defensive side of the ball you saw all the playoff teams blitzing , or playing a lot of pressman coverage. Blatche relied way to much on zones and his ridiculous schemes which had his corners playing too far off the ball..Part of the Skins problems were coaching, lack of discipline , an not enough play makers.

An a lot of you idiot fans get all upset when some players speak out, hell if you continue to lose in a physically demanding sport like football I woul dhope someone woul dhave sense enough to speak up an out

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | January 11, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

here's what this indicates to me... Zorn's offense actually did have people open all over the field... This is damning to Cambell. Hopefully both teams can get their QB

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | January 11, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Just say no to Clausen, Tebow , McCoy, Bradford.
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Unless Clausen or Bradford is available in the 2nd round, or unless Tebow or McCoy is available in the 3rd.

This team just has too many pressing needs right now at the boring - but essential - OL and secondary positions to risk a high pick on a QB.

Posted by: jksesq1 | January 11, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Headlines, 2011 Superbowl:

"Zorn Leads His Bears to Victory! Dan Snyder Indisputably Proven a Complete F*cktard!"

Posted by: MisterJ8 | January 11, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Allen and Mr. Shanahan, PLEASE, PLEASE draft linemen! PLEASE!!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | January 11, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Chicago Vs Washington, NFC Championship game 2011 now there would be an interesting story line :D

Posted by: Veretax | January 12, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Best of luck too Zorn !

Posted by: dashriprock | January 12, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

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